A great thank you from all Egyptians. Russian people prove over and over that they care about historical truth. You are welcome in our hearts and our country dear friends.
I love your work. I carve granite and dolerite on the beach at Wherrytown in Cornwall, UK. I will say be careful of the dust, particularly from the flint. The Brandon flint knappers worked indoors to make gunflints and did not live to old age from silicosis. Thinking of you
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Sorry I have nothing online to show, but will look into this. I split tough small available flint beach pebbles using the bipolar technique (pebble between fingers and impact from hardest dolerite hammerstone on similar large anvil stone). I hold flint between fingers just above granite and hammer it with a dolerite or quartz hammerstone (slips less as slightly crumbly and damages struck flint less). The flint naturally flakes and discarding the shards as I go, end up with a flattish fragment too small to use between fingers. I would use an all flint attack rather than saving it for final work, however flint is only an occasional find on this beach.
@@hj210 Only they DID do it. They had lots of chisels, and a team of people sharpening them as soon as they went dull. They rotated out chisels quickly. It's not too hard to understand.
@@LisaAnn777 Don’t worry, I’ve been among them for more than 50 years, and yes, they are completely clueless, running around and chasing flying geese and calling them "UFO's"
underrated comment. we can send people to the moon, map the entire planet via satellites, go to the other side of the globes in hours, but some people can't accept that our ancestors were pretty crafty, intelligent, and capable. I still think there is some kind of contempt for ancient civilizations and humankind in general. maddening for people that dedicated there life to understand our world/universe better.
@@vodkaboy A lot of the "reluctance" towards accepting people being intelligent and capable of doing great things sadly has a lot to do with the fact that some people can't accept the idea that it wasn't always Europeans who did it. Having huge ancient civilizations in the Americas, Asia, and Africa doesn't fit the narrative of superior Europeans, (aka "white people"), so either it must have been aliens, or long lost "white races" from places now vanished - or maybe both. I've often debated some of these types on Social Media platforms like RUclips and the old G+ and a lot of these types I've encountered denounced the scientific theory of evolution and especially the theory of human origin in Africa... And most of them were definitely "white" - or found some reason to elevate their "race" as being something extraordinary, so a few "black supremacist" and "Asian supremacist", (usually Chinese), as well. So a lot of the conspiracy assumptions we see is definitely closely tied to racist beliefs... Sadly still a common trait among the humans... 😜
@@ScreamingEagleFTW OMFG, no doubt that one of us seriously need to look up what the actual definition of racism is - and it isn’t me! "Your hatred for white people is obvious" - LMFAO NO, I don’t "hate white people", I have absolutely no reason to "hate white people" - as a tall blond Scandinavian dude, I feel pretty comfortable being "white people" - however, I do despise racism, and I do despise idiotic snowflakes who wanna insist that me pointing out how a certain online behaviour is rooted in racism and bigotry, is somehow me being "extremely racist"! Why I despise such completely bonkers buffoonery, you might ask; (or you might not, I don’t really care since you’ve already shown a behaviour making sure to utterly destroy any chance of me caring about your opinion), it’s very simple, it’s because I have no room for intellectual dishonesty, especially not of this lazy and absolutely ignorant kind!
Lol this quality is of no comparison to the pre dynastic Egyptian artifacts, to even hint that it's anywhere close is frankly insulting to the ancients.
and now make another one symmetrically the same hahaha This quality is poor, that's not it. in addition, they make small decorations like in the black pyramidion. Make a huge head of Ramses perfectly symmetrical hahaha
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE TOOLS, IT'S ABOUT THE SYMMETRIC QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP. IF I HIT THE HAMMER BADLY ONCE, IT WON'T COME OUT SYMMETRICLY. YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN ANYTHING
Man it's really nice to have a video clip to show people who have complete doubts that flint can't cut granite. It's frustrating how many people will reference a 'hardness scale' and then completely misunderstand how it works and the contents within.
It's almost as if they have no experience banging rocks together. Am I in some kind of minority in having done stuff like that as kid when playing outdoors?
@@NIBURU96 Water, of course - like you see in the video ( ! ) The polishing/levelling, is the most time-consuming part of such work - not much fun for academians
Wow impressive. Here in India we have many architectural wonders. Unscientific peoples are arguing god made them.. your channel is serving science and humanity very well.
@@nseven1117 Weren't the aliens not those nomadic folks from the Levante that worked for the Pharao and who later on emigrated from Egypt by their leader Moses back to the Levante and founded their own state?
@@DilbertMuc oh no, they were not nomadic. they went there because one of their relatives just happened to work for the previews pharaoh and gained special privileges until they made too many babies
This was amazing. I can’t answer the ‘how’ question for this stuff as although I’m a geologist, I’m not a stonemason. But that looks like a damn good effort. I’m interested to hear both sides of the argument always. I don’t like mystery, I prefer answers but can never solve the question of ‘how’ myself. The stone walls of Peru, for example - they’re vast and so intricate. What is your opinion on these?
The existence of "paste that would partially dissolve the stone" is not proven by anything. "Intricate stones" are obtained when to make stones of the correct shape is too hard. Labor costs for cutting a block of the correct shape are higher. Look: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_stone
For thousands of years, people have been giving the stone _any_ desired shape without any mythical paste. It is useful to look at old photos: pierres-info.fr/cartes_postales_1/index.html
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths people seem to forget that stones have fracture points, and if none are present... Make them. I mean christ, the Romans and Chinese used to wipe out entire mountain ranges with water and gravity.
hi Matthew, would be great if you could check out his playlist: ruclips.net/p/PL47iaGB6hlT5sYZWd_G7sHg9cSRv6WWS6 hes aggregated his videos and debunks ancient lost technology by providing scientific and archeological evidence
If you look at most of the granite and other carvings it seems that they were scratch engraved with a sharp outline first ,possibly with a piece of gemstone mounted on a stick like a lapidarist's dop stick, the rest may have been worked in a similar way to the demonstration. Earlier Sumerian engravings were mostly just outlines but had similar characteristics.
The trouble with a lot of commentators is that they can't comprehend the patience and time that the ancients applied to their crafts. Because it seems too difficult or time-consuming to them, then it must be impossible !
How much flint has been found around the pyramids????? Where is the source?????? Can these scientists make a 1 meter by 3 meter by 2 meter granite box, inside and out, to equal the precision of the granite sarcophagi at Saccarra?
I think more skill than patience and time , skill is making it look easy which these guys did not , as for building you see many vids on moving huge stones and all of them come across problems they never thought of , dial that out and dial in men with an extremely high skill level and you might just be left with a work system and rate that you can perform every day without killing yourself in the process , if you were to learn how to move or carve stone from say age 5 by the time you reached peak fitness you would have a skill set hard to imagine today , no need for technology
@@sjb3460 fli t is actually pretty common along the Nile River. Why don't you educate yourself before making ridiculous claims. That way you won't look so foolish.
How about you understand striations and symmetry, learn about stones and materials, then maybe you'll understand why educated people still don't buy this bs explanation
What struck me when I went to Egypt were the precise edges. The gliphs on the obelisks had a machined look. This is a really good effort in a short time. However, I'd really like to see a demo that comes even close to how precise the Egyptian work is. I noticed your edges are really ragged. Did they achieve this with very careful abrasion after having chipped out the shape? How did they do this for hundreds of symbols all the way up an obelisk without a single chip out?
@@chefdusse I cut granite everyday, polished too, years of work, and I still don’t think we can cut internal corners, fully polished like we see in kings chamber sarcophagus, and many other granite pieces around the area. This job here looks really rough, I know it’s their first go but regardless, if your using flint your always going to have blow outs, which are imperfections along the edges due to its mixed composition. Without diamond tipped rotary tools I can’t see how you could achieve such precision on such a hard yet fragile material. Even with our cnc saws we have blow outs and have to pick pieces up and glue them back into the stone edge to keep it looking natural.
Actually I’ll rephrase that, we don’t cut internal corners because the tools we use aren’t precise enough, but I can only imagine something like a little diamond tipped dremel drill could finish internal corners and polish them. Otherwise the min radius we can get is 5mm with a small rebate tool on the cnc machine.
@@mikev4621 computer numerical control. Runs off g code. We do not have to g code anymore for cutting though, that’s for the guys that fix the machines now. So basically a computer reads what I draw on autocad from a dxf file which is just lines in 2d, and the cnc machine cuts it to size, and to the angle I tell it to cut, & hopefully perfectly. So cnc accounts for all our machines with a head that moves, like a waterjet, a 5 axis bridge saw, or a cnc router (which is like a milling tool, that picks up different tools for whatever we need it for, edgework or holes)
Excellent! This shows exactly how the Dynastic Egyptians scratched and pecked their hieroglyphs into the fine surfaces of the incredible granite objects that they found.
Nice job. Traces of corundum were found on a tube drill sample from ancient Egypt. Thant's much harder than flint. I'm sure that skilled craftsmen with purpose built tools could have etched the inscriptions found on obelisks and other monuments.
But but but... Jimmy hit a rock with another rock and said it was stupid. Do you guys even have a hat? He has a hat, so he must be the expert. I’m kidding, of course. Seriously, you guys are great, thanks for stuff like this.
This is not cutting granite it’s scratching the surface which is already well documented and clearly evidenced they did I would love to see a meaningful “cut” done with these techniques. That being said I do appreciate the video and demonstration. Keep it up
Why don't you watch another video about cutting then? Let me guess, you will want to see them cutting 80-ton block in flip-flops in the knee-high desert sand and when dehydrated? ;)
I saw big granite companies cutting stone blocks with water and sand machine if iam correct. Took forever. It's on youtube. Doesi.t explain the pyramids but that kitchen looked nice
I was just watching another video and thought, "hey what if you could use flint to carve granite or andesite" and here we are. Thank you very much, lads
Great stuff, I have seen all these videos on your other channel. I hope you put more of those into this channel. It's hard to find them on your anthropogenez channel because they are titled in Russian
Is this a joke? The quality of that is TERRIBLE. Nothing like hieroglyphs I have ssen scores of times that are about 1 cm deep with vertical walls that are polished all around. The finish on this work is abysmal. Now go and make it another .8 cm deeper and polish it. What is your material removal rate? How many hours did it take you? You cut away in order to make it look quick and easy. A 3:41 video took how long actually? This is an embarrassment to science, if you claim to use it to establish this as a real-world example of the Egyptians. This wouldn't fool a bushman. I give this video a D-minus.
Flint can't cut granite! >Flint cuts granite< But, but your first test doesn't look as good as a master hand craft man would do this with experience for 40 years, for 12 hours a day and with knowledge passed down from generation to generation.
This is a good proof of concept. But if I'm being g honest it falls very short of the good smooth detail we see on many glyphs in Egypt. To prove the method one must be able to mimic all the characteristics of the glyphs. Not just achieve a somewhat similar picture relief in stone.
How would you expect one or two people to be able to perfectly replicate these carvings? This isn't their full time job however if it was and they were sufficiently trained and they practiced for long enough there is no reason why they couldn't accomplish something similar. The Egyptians were perfecting their crafts and methods for hundreds of years and they were doing so with large numbers of people so of course their results were better than what a couple of lads achieved.
@@markgallagher5908 that's a valid point but it doesn't diminish mine. They Still have to achieve far more comparable a result to make it any kind of sufficient evidence. Trying to say this proves how they were carved in such staggering detail is the exact same as saying that since we have seen people use building block and brick in constriction on smaller scales that there is no mystery as to how the transport of the large multihundred ton blocks the pyramids are made of were transported, and built with. Obviously they were carved transported on site, and laid one upon another until the project was complete. There's obviously some large technicalities that are being skipped over in such an explanation, and the same is true for thier crude carving vs the very detailed smooth finished relief products we see in actual hyroglyphs.
@@anthonypolonkay2681 They showed that the carving can be done with their method and the only thing missing is the quality of the work but giving the time constraints that's understandable. They didn't need to complete a Michelangelo level sculpture, they only needed to show how it can be done using their techniques. The building of the pyramids required workers with a diverse range of skill sets that no one person or small group of people could attain. If you need to be shown how every step in the pyramid construction works then you may be in for a long wait because we may never know precisely how it was all accomplished.
Sir Flinders Petre noticed that a lot of granite had been cut, not chiselled or ground away. What you've done may have been how some of the crude eygptian work was done, but you have to try and recreate the finest works to prove your point.
Why would it matter only what Petrie saw? Many people have studied over the last 200 years. There were various tools and techniques used by the Egyptians. This video was not created to answer every possible question by people who wish to remain credulous.
@Eyes_Open Petrie saw it catalogue it, and now those samples are in his museum for anyone to go see. I noticed a lot of comments saying "well that solves it then" but it doesn't even come close. What about the hundreds of over cuts that can be seen, where the cutting tools gone too deep into the granite.
@@russelllyne5298 There are stone examples there and all over Egypt. Toolmarks have been studied, tools found in the archaeological record, experiments performed. What overcuts? From what time period?
@Eyes_Open a lot of them are supposed to be from the first Dynasty, but that's just the egyptologists dating the artifacts off the crude hieroglyphs that's carved into them. Google "eygptian granite over cuts" some of the best ones are in a diorite statue of Khafre Enthroned. If you look closely in his arm pit, you can see where the cutting blade has gone a little too deep.
@russelllyne5298 I know that some characters promote the idea of overcuts as examples of lost technology. None of those examples have ever survived scrutiny. Those same characters promote the idea of false expert artifact dating by using the term crude when describing inscriptions. The underlying message is that academia is wrong/ignorant/afraid/etc and people should instead believe in the possibility of fantastic mysteries. Remember, a toolmark on a statue can be removed by grinding and polishing or it can remain by choice or omission.
Thanks, completely cleared my doubts of Ancient Egyptians skilled slave labors are responsible to construct huge megalithic structures with elaborate arts all over it, simply by having several men using flint to chisel a very simple eye. Wow, such a great proof, really impressed.
"DURRR THEY HAD TO HAVE MACHINESSS TO DO THIS STUFF DURRRRR"...just goes to show how dumb these conspiracy people really are... they did this and they aren't even experts.. the people of the past had EXTREME SKILL..because they did it their ENTIRE LIVES...and so did their ancestors
@Art of War Sure, but we need more people to be brave and try reproducing the ancient artifacts before we know what's possible. Anybody can sit in their chair and claim "ancient hi tech civilization did it" or "it was done with bronze tools obviously", but very few are brave and diligent enough to put time and effort into experimental archaeology, to show to the rest of the planet what result we can and what we can not expect from particular methods, so that we can compare and contrast. I applaud the guys and a patreon of them.
There are very clear signs of sharp saws being used. We know this. It's a fact. Chisels here and there. But big cuts are saws. Now... bronze age... no diamonds . Not sure what kind of saw would work.
Exactly. Debunking is so easy to prove on an ashtray size piece of granite with editing. Show us 30 to eighty ton. And how you separated it from the mine?
No, because they'll have to resort to modern tools. No one has been able to actually recreate everything we see in Egypt. This video proved nothing. We already know how Egyptian engraved into granite. All the inscriptions found match crude techniques. However, the quality of the inscription does not match the quality of many of the objects themselves.
I would like to try this and make my own sculptures...how long did it take you'all to finish? Makes you really impressed with the stoneworking skills of the Egyptians...I bet their most skilled masons were held in high regard, much like they are in our time.
Better use some proper tools, unless you want to replicate the method. Modern tools are insanely fast, but still working with stone is relatively painfull.
they won;t tell you cause it took days and days.....and is just ok as far as rendering something....just marginally proves the point that flint was used to make much of what we see..
@@glen.simpson Since I made the comment a year or so ago, I have been tinkering with stone working. It is really, really hard to work hard stones with other stones...just trying to grind the rock I have into a square shape....it has taken me a few months just tinkering around, but I almost have my square..well rectangle really...its kind of relaxing to sit in the back yard and grind the rock on my "Grind Stone". I could see though how people in ancient times who were master craftsman were held in high regard..cause its time consuming as shit. Not sure I am going to do anything with it after I get the rectangle....maybe try and cut a hole with it using a rock drill.....but that might be more than my patience will allow. :)
@@lonl123 But imagine committing your life to it, starting from a young age, with a wealthy society organized around producing one great project at a time, supporting this unknown number of craftsmen whose work is their entire identity and life, feeding them, providing their tools and materials, enabling them to be as productive as they can be, which is already much greater than that of any person of our time who hasn't dedicated their entire life to both perfecting it and reaching levels of speed and efficiency while doing so you probably can't visualize without years of experience and vast knowledge about and deep familiarity with available tools, materials, and techniques, gathered, curated, and distributed by that same wealthy and literate society.
@@alexanderzerka8477 Exactly...I'm sure Masons and other craftsman were what we might consider in our time as "Upper Middle Class"...not super rich (Though I'm sure there were some that were, much like some of our artists in our day) but well to do. They have been finding a lot of burials recently of craftsman and they had fairly elaborate tombs. They were just like us...which is one of the things that makes it even more interesting to me....They made very beautiful things that were so well made they have lasted till our time and still astound us with their craftsmanship...I wish the fucking Alien people would see the truth of it....I find that they were just like you and me even more awesome than it was some Crazy Alien race that for whatever reason liked to make Egyptian stuff....which is fucking ridiculous.
What box - and more importantly = when does it date to........ Moral: Elephantine Island contains temples. While the earliest dates to the beginning of Dynastic Egypt = those were also the crudest ones........ Temples there were in some cases repeatedly renovated/rebuilt beginning later in the Old Kingdom period to the New Kingdom period and later. If you wish to consider how something was made as far as technology you must first = place it in the correct period - since the Egyptian civilization lasted ~3K years - and a lot can happen in that much time as far as improved technology.
But it was magic flint. It magically cut millions of blocks and then when the magic flint was used up and throw into a pile, the flint piles magically disappeared.
@Javier Garza Now that make good sense. A giant pantograph copy machine. Just heard about hardened copper tools. I know they had tin exports worldwide, from Cornwall and Peru etc. Copper n tin make bronze. Did they have a version harder than steel? Gold is a good infrared reflector, giant gold mirrors focusing the sun, melt or ablate stone?
Well done! Frankly, finally rational and authentic humans who seek to prove themselves instead of trying to convince others. Thank you for being so amazing!
These guys are genius! Sneaky suggestion.....is it possible to secretly attach your demonstrations piggy-back fashion onto the ends of Ancient Architects, Unknown X, Bright Insight efforts?
@@AncientArchitects interest in Egyptology is to be applauded however disciples of Mr Hancock in the form of bedroom researcher's frequently condemn the "mainstream" scientific community for their reluctance in accepting their preposterous views. Science is for grownups where findings are subject to peer review and constant reappraisal. One thing common to many of these pseudoscience RUclips channels is that any challenge to their content is either removed or blocked, I'm sure Mr Sibson you will agree this is not the way to conduct scientific analysis.
@@thylacinenv I don’t block, and I am happy to engage in discussion. I started my channel very much ‘alternative’ but the more time I’ve invested in research and reading, as viewers have seen, the less alternative my ideas have become. I’ve said this on my channel a number of times over the past 12 months. Ancient Architects really is a reflection of my own thinking, it reflects my own level of knowledge and learning. As many have seen, I’m happy to accept Khufu built the Great Pyramid unless somebody can show me compelling, dateable evidence to the contrary. I’m happy to believe Sacsayhuaman was built 1100 AD unless someone can prove otherwise. I have lost many subscribers in the past 12 months but also gained a lot. Whether my own ideas are right or wrong, I am always approaching it from an honest position and will never present an idea if I don’t believe in it at the time of publication. 👍
And just to add: Sometimes I will give my own perspective and interpretation but I will only use evidence - scientific, archaeological, historical as a basis. I used to say the Great Pyramid could have been a water pump. Then I researched it in detail and realised that this is impossible. I do want answers to the so-called mysteries, hence subscribing to this channel and their demonstrations are pretty incredible. 👍
Not really. The largest/heaviest stones found in the Great Pyramid = are below the halfway point. Also the pyramid itself rests atop an elevated area of the plateau while the main quarry was a few hundred meters away to the south - slightly lower. So the natural rise leading up to the pyramid from the quarry area invariably was part of the ramp used to raise those blocks you refer to. Above the level of the King's Chamber the pyramid blocks become smaller as it rises in height. 🤔
I'm always facsinated by this type of experiment. People with the same tools and unlimited time and no one threatening them to work harder and they still can't come up with even a fraction of the craftsmanship that the Egyptians did. I'm not saying this isn't how they could have done it, I just don't see anymore evidence to suggest they did this over using different methods. If this is convinces you that they built the entire grandeur of the Egyptian civilization by banging two rocks together like this then I'm truly sorry.
So even with tools "softer" than the material one works on, there still can be amazing results, it just takes a lot of time and dedication, both were around aplenty back then. And 7 hours for this lovely eye doesn't sound too badly. I am amazed!
I doubt they cut the thousands and thousands of tons of granite in the pyramids this way. That seems absurdly masochistic and a huge waste of resources and time (if possible at all)
@@mouwersor pyramids we're mostly limestone. Kings chamber is granite. Though there are plenty of granite carvings and pieces much much more beautiful then this eye.
This helps me understand the artifacts I find on our property in Scandinavia. Flint and quartz seem to be the tools of choice for shaping the granite stones/mountains. Seeing it in practice gives more of a reference as far as potential ware on tools, etc. thanks for the content!
Flint is a quartz type rock that occurs in limestone layers. So, given the abundant layers of limestone and the chemical sedimentation of flint, Egyptians had a ready resource for use in carving. Flint has a Mohs hardness of 7 and can be chipped easily to a point because of its concoidal fracture capability. Pink granite has an overall average of 6 on the same scale. Since the scale is logarithmic the flint is 10 times harder than the granite. As is seen here, it's quite easy to use, what's called, pecking to chip away the granite and reveal the picture intended. Bloody nice job all round really. You are my new favourite bois!!
Just to clear up a common misconception: Hardness - resistance to abrasion - is irrelevant to sculpting stone. Toughness - resistance to fracture - is what matters.
It is super easy, you just use a wooden drawing stencil. You draw the shape you are interested into, you cut the wood, and you chisel inside the hole: same exact drawing as many times as you need it.
OK, you show here that you can scratch the granite block. How is the strength of your Stone? Can it be used for further processing as a stair step, window sill, etc. for sale? And can you also carve out right angles and dimensional accurate edges with your flint stone. Which is equivalent to the quality of the so-called artifacts.
@@johnwalker1553 I didn't ask a question. I pointed out that you watched a video showing how it was possible to shape granite with flint and then you asked for more evidence of shaping with flint. They also have a video showing the creation of an inside corner using flint.
@@Eyes_Open Well, that "scientists" will have already selected suitable types of stone. Lower strength is certainly not suitable for further production in the fabric. But if you only see the result, who says that they didn't use good tools? Or do you see a usable tool edge on the flintstone? Did these people hold a tool edge with the required angles in the camera so that you can assess the wear? That's what I meant by looking for a stonemason that of your trust. It's pointless to argue about professional tools with a layman.
@@johnwalker1553 Your point is unclear. Tool edges are affected regardless of the tool type. Flint was used as a tool throughout Egyptian history because it was effective and easily replaced.
Yeah, that's no statue of Ramses 80 feet tall, each one carved the exact same dimensions. Is all this channel shows tiny, rough examples? Make a Serapeum box! Carve an 80 foot statue to perfection! Either re-create something like we see has been done by the ancient Egyptians, or you really prove nothing.
The left over dust, rather than thrown away, can be used to polish, the finer the dust the higher the polish. It doesnt't take that long either. 30 mins to an higher to get very noticable results. Just rubbing the dust with a piece of wood will do it, it's just like very fine grit sand paper people use to polish paint, metal and stone still now. Here's an example ruclips.net/video/ol2P7nEz-ac/видео.html
Or overcuts. Or mirror finishes in caves that we light today with LEDs, not smoky torches. Or perfectly straight edges, measured by micrometers to be almost as smooth as glass. I will accept throwing man power at some things, but the edge cases need specialisation not seen in our view of the ancient world.
@@glennpbooth the whitworth 3 plate method to make flat surface granite plates. Based on ancient polishing technique. Spot flatness of a micron is no big deal. Polished granite will have similar results or better. Hand polishing to a few nanometers is common enough. I have posted demo videos on flattening and polishing granite. Next week I will take some pieces for testing. Just by repeating age old practice (still modern practice for making/calibrating surface plates) I am entirely confident I have repeated those results. It comes down to a fine abrasive and rubbing. Either way 1.5 microns is not special for polished granite. 31 microns such as Puma Punku is low quality hand polishing standards. The original precision machines such as by Whitworth were hand made. Johanneson gauge blocks are to within a small fraction of a micron. Hand made. Lenses are brought to within a few nanometer flatness. Hand polished. Ancient Egypt had smokeless flame by mixing natron with castor oil. People knew a thing or two about fire. Callimachus lamp another example of stopping soot staining white marble walls. The caves in India are not perfectly straight, the overall flatness of surfaces was not tested but just by reflections it is clear they are not flat to any basic level of precision. The same spot flatness of a micron would be common enough wherever there is a polished granite floor, tombstone etc prior to the age of modern precision. It just comes down to polishing, about 45 minutes to 1.5 hours depending on level of polish. I have posted how to videos on this that anyone can repeat very cheaply and easily within a few hours from a very rough surface. As for over cuts prior to machines they are also very common. The only advantage since ancient times is steel and steel isn’t necessary since with flint tools sculptors have made elaborate carvings in granite. Including undercutting fine details such as ears. Straight lines and flat surfaces are still apprentice level skills for traditionally trained masons.
I personally believe that the Egyptians used gemstones and gemstone-embedded stones for fine work. Embedding a gemstone or flint into a bone like an archer's arrow is all that's required.
@@Eyes_Open My point is that this primitive method doesn't explain how the very precisely made and very thin vases explored by Ben-X and Chriss Dunn were shaped in hard granite thousands of years ago. The same kind of vases are even displayed in the Cairo Museum alongside handmade vases from the dynasties.
@@Eigil_Skovgaard A thin vase just requires more grinding. The precision claims are illogical. Any claims of impossibility require proof. The Dunns use such unfalsifiable claims in attempt to avoid responsibility.
@@Eigil_Skovgaard Excerpt: "While we cannot tell with certainty, if the way that we have _described_ the design exactly matches that of the original creators, we are confident that our reverse-engineered model does indeed represent the actual mathematics, interrelations and constraints present in the original design." Moral: Ben's argument is entirely = theoretical........ Note the italics - found in the original report. Their premise refers to _"reverse engineering"_ while the initial report release also clearly stated they were incapable of stating where the vase in question originated from or what culture made it. So Ben's vase argument presupposes a desire to duplicate** without detailing how something was made. If further is one of merely incredulity supported by conjecture. Ben's only argument is _"I do not believe it is Egyptian...... = but I cannot then say who or what made it."_ That is not a particularly compelling argument really. * - as noted above they inserted italics in the report and when words are highlighted thusly is implies = they are "stressing" that term. So this infers what is being "described" reflects subjective interpretation rather than objective. That is a big, big caveat by the way. ** - this assumption then infers the creator = sought to achieve those dimensions - yet Ben has zero evidence to support such an assumption - merely more conjecture about supposed impossibility.
@@varyolla435 Why not stop talking and just replicate one of those very precise vases? That would make a compelling argument for your methods. I suggest the four steps in Chris Dunn's book - Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, page 202. Step 1 is finished, you can concentrate on 2-4.
Loads of people are out here saying this can’t be done. And here we have it before your very eyes. It’s a shame people can’t be bothered to do any actual research :( Thank you for making this video!!!!!
This is great even if this is not the exact technique used it shows what can be done with a little will. Imagine a large work force of artisans, masons etc trained over thousands of years.
The goal of course was to demonstrate that one can use stone tools to shape stone. Man has been doing that for millennia. As to workforce = a very large workforce. Just as you see today with say fast food restaurants which are ubiquitous in a town because of course "demand" is constant = so in ancient Egypt demand for various objects was always there. So they created an entire economy dedicated to the creation of various things the people wanted - either for everyday use or to accommodate their religious beliefs vis a vis items needed for burial. Here is an example. Egyptologists have over the years unearthed underground caches of mummified animals as votive offerings and as burial times to be sold to people = literally millions of them. Think about the scale to create all that. It would have required a large workforce devoted to creating them + an even larger one devoted to supplying all the raw materials + and it would have spanned centuries. Then as now you got what you paid for. So Pharaohs or wealthy temples employed their own castes of craftsmen who would have had access to more resources and time yielding "museum quality" things for their patrons. On the flip side you might have had "community workshops" who turned out mass quantities of "knock-offs" for sale to the general public. So absolutely large workforces were in play here. 🤔
Please a Question to the intressted audience: Years ago I stumbled over a YT Vid where French Stoneworkers tried similar as here. They took a block of Granit (rose Granit as I remember) and chisseld with Flint a sharp inner Corner in it. That went good on. They didn´t finish it to last detail but the proofe was a little given enough that it could be done with the method and more time. I cannot find this Vid again :-( Knows anyone from wich Vid I talk?
They proved that you CAN carve granite with flint and grind with abrasive. The did NOT prove that the Egyptian or their predecessors did it this way. If anything this method really demonstrates that its NOT suitable for large scales and huge numbers of pieces with super fine finish, so some other way would be needed. No one has offered an appropriate method to this day. We still don't know. Fast flowing river and sand also abrades Granite, so are you willing to suggest that the Egyptians just dunked blocks of granite in the creek, and directed the water to make the statues? Because is true that river water and abrasive sand does erode granite, so does that mean this is the method? No.
@@everythingisalllies2141 💯. Self righteous idiots who think they’ve proven something, when the only think they’ve proved. That they truly don’t understand
@@erichamilton8952 pretty sure they would be far better. But, to be fair, they did;t work on this as long as the egyptians would have to get it perfect. Just a demo after all.
@@doseofboost4509 Go outside for sunlight and fresh air. You have been deceived by grifters who make money from your willingness to believe in fantasies.
It only shows that you can use flint and other tools to carve granite but does not prove that old Egyptians did it this way. How much it really took in hours to carve it out?
Okay, now cut a 12ft solid granite block hollowed out and completely smooth inside and out, with 90° cuts. This seems pointless, like we know they knew how to work stone, that's not at all the mystery.
Good job…but it looks exactly as I would expect it to for the method used. I don’t think anyone is doubting you can smash and chip a rough shape into any stone but doing it consistently and precisely with little to no room for error is very far from the demonstration provided here.
If they video taped you and a buddy trying to build a house using circa-1850 technology I suspect that the process would take a very long time and the quality of the product would be inferior to what we know was produced by master carpenters of the time. But what if you lwere in the position to build ten more houses in the same way. I suspect there would be great difference in quality between fiest one and last one. Hence a general trend in terms of the differences between proof of concept experiments now and actual products from 4500 years ago.
@ I agree with you on that point but the comparison isn’t quite the same. What I’m assessing here is that even with improvement’s on the techniques demonstrated I doubt you would be able to achieve the final results.
@proar1368 no offense but incredulity isn't really a legitimate argument here. I'm unaware of any endeavor involving people with an aptitude for working by hand ho didn't improve greatly thru time. Especially if feeding themselves and their family depended on it. Kind of comes down to occams razor. Either egyptians were trained to do this type of thing much better and faster using the known technology of the time or some sort of high technology was used for which there is no probative evidence for the existence of the machine itself or the footprint that its development and use would leave in the archeological and archival records.
@@Docrock-z9k I think my issue here is also why go backwards then. Why did they not continue to improve upon their techniques ? If it was achievable through mastery and skill why do the current known tools and techniques not reflect that. It should be clear as day what methods and skills were required but it isn’t the knowledge has faded away so strongly in what I believe is an inaccurate dating and timeline of our past. I’m not saying that they didn’t build or achieve greatness with their skills but the methods laid out in the video regardless of extrapolation of skill and mastery just do not reflect the level that was achieved.
@proar1368 I don't really understand what you are saying in terms of going backward as well as the rest of your post. You would need to be a little more clear and give some specific examples relevant to this video.
Looks nothing like the real thing... not even close. But I suppose the professionals of the day would have created their own specialized tools... soooo maybe?
@@wodenravens If they can make something that is perfectly symmetrical using that technique.. than I would say this mystery is about solved. But the fine detail work we see is perfect in every way to the naked eye... this technique isn't so far showcasing that that is possible.
Egyptians were smelting and working with copper before pyramids were built. Hammer out a sheet of copper and wrap around a stick to make it circular, solder the edges.
In the future after the collapse of modern civilization: this is like throwing a ladder across a narrow creek and saying: “See? This is how they could have built the Golden Gate Bridge.” Only not really, because without constant maintenance the Golden Gate Bridge would collapse, unlike the pyramids which have retained their structural integrity on their own for thousands of years.
Blocks stacked one atop another require no maintenance........... So long as man does not purposely destroy them or a powerful earthquake causes structural failure - which the design and weight of the pyramids help to mitigate = they will sit there as always.
I'm sorry. As a manufacturing scientist your work looks exactly like you did what you did. It comes nothing close to the work that no one today can replicate without rotary diamond tools. Part of my body of work was in drill bit Technology for stone cutting. Creating metal matrix composites to hold onto the diamond or carbides needed to carve stone. I have seen things in Egypt that I do not know how to do with every modern machine that we have. most can be replicated with rotary tools and metal matrix composite bits. But there are three dimensional corners that we do not know how to cut today. you’re using disingenuous results to fool people who don’t understand what is going on. I love science, but if you’re against anything, you’re not a scientist. Science is the open-minded exploration of the possible. everyone on this channel is trying to maintain their academic position and their reputation. Using any tools you want create a dolomite sarcophagus with the exact same surface, finish dimensions, angularity, and internal geometry as the ones found in Egypt. Not a miniature, not a ragged scraped up terrible looking eye that is on par with caveman art. you can easily disprove everybody by simply matching the surface finish and the angular relationships thus ending all questions.
😴😴 Ah - the old _"day job"_ argument.......... = again. 🥱 Moral: you know who else has a day job = archeologists and other academic experts they work with - such as engineers et al......... Unlike yourself however they are not merely _"tourists"_ who claim to visit some ancient site and presume to know based upon = assumptions.......... They make the effort to first understand all the relevant evidence before forming conclusions so that in good scientific inquiry those conclusions are supported by more than mere assumptions - both in how it was done and how one's day job supposedly qualifies a non-expert here to opine in matters outside of their own area of expertise........
@ so in your simple mind only simple things are true? 😂😂😂😂 Not a big fan of space travel I'm guessing. Is the Earth flat because it looks flat to you? 👍😂😂😂😂😂
@@jay-by1se Having trouble staying on point I see......... That is soup do jour for LAHT trolls of course. They flit from topic to topic and nonsensical rationalization to rationalization because of course = they are incapable of discussing the subject-matter at hand....... Moral: thank you for showing all you are a fraud....... A "manufacturing scientist" would speak to science rather than inane prattling about "Flat Earth" etc.. You LAHT are soooo easy to "out" it frankly becomes a bore doing so. 🥱
Compare that to the size, scale and accuracy of ramses statues... Made entirely out of one solid block of granite with 100% symmetry... Nope; not possible.
Tired of people who'd say it was made by powertools of some kind yet when at the time, there were no electricity, steel, complex machines, fossil fuel let alone aliens.. The artisans of the writings on stone lived at the bronze age longer than we are at the iron age..it is just natural that they can make perfect work with stone with the tremendous skills that they possess at the time. From their childhood, they worked rocks with bronzes and stones, because no more sophisticated material was available to work with!
I rather think you missed the point. There is ample evidence to show the Egyptians were harvesting enormous amounts of Flint/Chert from quarries for use in various applications. At Wadi el-Sheikh as one example Egyptologists found evidence of such harvesting on what can only be viewed as an industrial scale. Massive heaps of shards of Flint/Chert which could be processed into stone tools are found there. At Giza around the worker village they found examples of Flint/Chert tools such as were used to quarry the Limestone there in addition to bronze tools. So this video demonstrates that the Egyptians who clearly were using gneiss stone tools to work stone = could achieve working granite using Flint/Chert. There is also however direct evidence of their doing this using Dolerite as another video shows. Dolerite pounders were found in large numbers littering granite quarries such as Aswan. Egyptologists also found evidence of their using "rounded out" Dolerite pounders which were no longer useful for quarrying - ones which lost their pointed feature necessary for chipping were noted to be discarded - as "ball bearings" to move heavy objects like sarcophagi into position. Examples of these were found under sarcophagi being manipulated into place. A heavy object could have then placed under it to allow the workers to "roll" it into position. Upon being situated a sarcophagus could then be levered up - the ball bearings removed - and it lowered into final position.
impact carving relies on the path of weakness in the rock. You can remove material even with weaker stones and metals if you simply accept removal of material along its natural path of weakness. You are demonstrating the compromise involved in impact carving. You have no control. How did ancients completely contrive specific paths, not dependent on the materials flawed structure? based on your method, the ancients could have used your method to remove surrounding material, but would have had to have stopped well above the depth at which an impact could render material anywhere near the actual final surface of the carving. And at that point, they would have had to resort to extremely slow rendering, wearing down their tools orders of magnitude faster than the actual granite material they were carving. In this way, simply smooth carvings would have taken excessively long periods of time that would make this approach insane and completely inappropriate. But for 'debunkers' it is fun to pretend to have solved the mysteries that have confounded smarter people for millennium. Enjoy your fantasy.
Flint and granite are both primarily quartz, though granite also has softer materials such as feldspar and mica. I would argue that the tools would NOT wear down faster than the material they were working.
I think the issue most people have is that this method would take an extremely long time to carve/polish each stone, then transporting and elevating the stones to place them is still a challenge. When most people say "lost technology" they aren't referring to some sci fi type of tool. A process to form the blocks using concrete would fall under this category. Using channels of water to move them would fall there as well. The point is, how they were built wasn't documented and replicating them today is a difficult task even with our machinery. This doesn't mean aliens exist or there was a super advanced civilization. It simply means they must have had some method that we haven't thought about. IF they carved and moved every block by hand, what was the purpose? The work force and time it would have taken just doesn't make sense unless they served a purpose. These guys showed that it's possible to carve an image into a block. That's a far cry from explaining how or why millions of blocks were carved, transported and stacked.
> These guys showed that it's possible to carve an image into a block. That's a far cry from explaining how or why millions of blocks were carved, transported and stacked. What a wise thought! Carving an image and moving blocks are not the same thing. Bravo
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 the pyramids are made up of the millions of blocks I am talking about. Sure, they aren't granite but the question remains the same.
The myth is that you could get an optically flat surface with 90 degree corners, polished, using this method. Dream on. Technology cannot reproduce this today.
I rather think the myth you speak of is the one whereby people comically assume that these Egyptian artifacts are as "precise" as claimed on the internet - which of course they are not. There coincidentally are videos to be found here as well which debunk such characterizations. So they were less precise than some assume and were entirely possible to create using the tools at hand. Garbage in ------> Garbage out. 🤨
not sure if this is just to show that its possible to carve granite with flint or to show that you can do just as good of a job as the ancients did, because in that case no, the ancient carvings were clean polished and perfect,
Yeah because they didn’t do it as a one off experiment but as a lifelong work that was passed on for hundreds of generations. Still plenty of those kind of stone masons around and they still make the most insane shit by hand.
You should go to their channel, they have a large membership that does all types of work, this was a quick demonstration to illustrate the cutting was possible. I watched one video where a very fine large bird shaped onyx vessel was created by one person from a block of that stone, it took her almost a year working an average of 4-5 hrs/day while she lived her normal life as well. This is why ancient material culture objects are generally not ubiquitous and were held in great value. It also demonstrates how the guild system and stratified society would have evolved in the great civilizations.
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A great thank you from all Egyptians. Russian people prove over and over that they care about historical truth. You are welcome in our hearts and our country dear friends.
@@khopeshkmt991 Thank you! We returned from Egypt a week ago. We love your country very much.
I love your work. I carve granite and dolerite on the beach at Wherrytown in Cornwall, UK. I will say be careful of the dust, particularly from the flint. The Brandon flint knappers worked indoors to make gunflints and did not live to old age from silicosis. Thinking of you
@@grahamhill8280 Thank you! Can I look at your works?
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Sorry I have nothing online to show, but will look into this. I split tough small available flint beach pebbles using the bipolar technique (pebble between fingers and impact from hardest dolerite hammerstone on similar large anvil stone). I hold flint between fingers just above granite and hammer it with a dolerite or quartz hammerstone (slips less as slightly crumbly and damages struck flint less). The flint naturally flakes and discarding the shards as I go, end up with a flattish fragment too small to use between fingers. I would use an all flint attack rather than saving it for final work, however flint is only an occasional find on this beach.
Just had to use this prove a point. I got the "give me ONE video of someone carving granite with copper tools." Thank you.
NOBODY CAN DO IT. It would take far to much time and effort
And they want us to believe all 7 pyramids in Egyptian plateau were built within a 100 year time frame 😂
@@hj210 Only they DID do it. They had lots of chisels, and a team of people sharpening them as soon as they went dull. They rotated out chisels quickly. It's not too hard to understand.
@@sharimeline3077 that doesn't explain the logistics of how they quarried, shipped, and maneuvered then into place.
@sharimeline3077 Yeah you can shape a stone with a Chisle, it's a time and logistic problem.
So, how long have you been living among the earthlings?
I know I've been living among them for almost 30 years now, and they haven't got the slightest clue😅
@@LisaAnn777
Don’t worry, I’ve been among them for more than 50 years, and yes, they are completely clueless, running around and chasing flying geese and calling them "UFO's"
underrated comment. we can send people to the moon, map the entire planet via satellites, go to the other side of the globes in hours, but some people can't accept that our ancestors were pretty crafty, intelligent, and capable. I still think there is some kind of contempt for ancient civilizations and humankind in general. maddening for people that dedicated there life to understand our world/universe better.
@@vodkaboy
A lot of the "reluctance" towards accepting people being intelligent and capable of doing great things sadly has a lot to do with the fact that some people can't accept the idea that it wasn't always Europeans who did it.
Having huge ancient civilizations in the Americas, Asia, and Africa doesn't fit the narrative of superior Europeans, (aka "white people"), so either it must have been aliens, or long lost "white races" from places now vanished - or maybe both.
I've often debated some of these types on Social Media platforms like RUclips and the old G+ and a lot of these types I've encountered denounced the scientific theory of evolution and especially the theory of human origin in Africa...
And most of them were definitely "white" - or found some reason to elevate their "race" as being something extraordinary, so a few "black supremacist" and "Asian supremacist", (usually Chinese), as well.
So a lot of the conspiracy assumptions we see is definitely closely tied to racist beliefs...
Sadly still a common trait among the humans... 😜
@@ScreamingEagleFTW
OMFG, no doubt that one of us seriously need to look up what the actual definition of racism is - and it isn’t me!
"Your hatred for white people is obvious" - LMFAO
NO, I don’t "hate white people", I have absolutely no reason to "hate white people" - as a tall blond Scandinavian dude, I feel pretty comfortable being "white people" - however, I do despise racism, and I do despise idiotic snowflakes who wanna insist that me pointing out how a certain online behaviour is rooted in racism and bigotry, is somehow me being "extremely racist"!
Why I despise such completely bonkers buffoonery, you might ask;
(or you might not, I don’t really care since you’ve already shown a behaviour making sure to utterly destroy any chance of me caring about your opinion),
it’s very simple, it’s because I have no room for intellectual dishonesty, especially not of this lazy and absolutely ignorant kind!
How you were able to capture these ancient aliens on film I'll never understand.
Lol this quality is of no comparison to the pre dynastic Egyptian artifacts, to even hint that it's anywhere close is frankly insulting to the ancients.
@@ZeroOneInfinityFor a first try it’s not bad
and now make another one symmetrically the same hahaha This quality is poor, that's not it. in addition, they make small decorations like in the black pyramidion. Make a huge head of Ramses perfectly symmetrical hahaha
IT'S NOT ABOUT THE TOOLS, IT'S ABOUT THE SYMMETRIC QUALITY OF THE WORKMANSHIP. IF I HIT THE HAMMER BADLY ONCE, IT WON'T COME OUT SYMMETRICLY. YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN ANYTHING
@dennisjames3711
If funny, no one has any time for your beliefs.
Humans did it. Grow up.
No aliens involved.
Clearly, aliens made the researchers.
Could it be...😂😂😂😂
😅 clearly
Man it's really nice to have a video clip to show people who have complete doubts that flint can't cut granite. It's frustrating how many people will reference a 'hardness scale' and then completely misunderstand how it works and the contents within.
Native american also shape celts and grooved axes like this. And use wood dowels and sand to drill stone.
It's almost as if they have no experience banging rocks together. Am I in some kind of minority in having done stuff like that as kid when playing outdoors?
How did they polish it smooth and shiny then
@@NIBURU96 sand and water
@@NIBURU96 Water, of course - like you see in the video ( ! ) The polishing/levelling, is the most time-consuming part of such work - not much fun for academians
Wow impressive. Here in India we have many architectural wonders. Unscientific peoples are arguing god made them.. your channel is serving science and humanity very well.
Thank you!
it wasn't the gods who built them, it was aliens and their highly advanced technology of flint, wood, and copper
@@nseven1117 Weren't the aliens not those nomadic folks from the Levante that worked for the Pharao and who later on emigrated from Egypt by their leader Moses back to the Levante and founded their own state?
@@DilbertMuc oh no, they were not nomadic. they went there because one of their relatives just happened to work for the previews pharaoh and gained special privileges until they made too many babies
@@nseven1117 So in a way the local Egyptian population saw a typical migrants problem with anchor babies and had to act quickly... sounds familiar! 😅
This was amazing. I can’t answer the ‘how’ question for this stuff as although I’m a geologist, I’m not a stonemason. But that looks like a damn good effort. I’m interested to hear both sides of the argument always. I don’t like mystery, I prefer answers but can never solve the question of ‘how’ myself. The stone walls of Peru, for example - they’re vast and so intricate. What is your opinion on these?
The ancient Peruvians may have had pyrite based paste that would partially dissolve the stone.
The existence of "paste that would partially dissolve the stone" is not proven by anything. "Intricate stones" are obtained when to make stones of the correct shape is too hard. Labor costs for cutting a block of the correct shape are higher.
Look: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_stone
For thousands of years, people have been giving the stone _any_ desired shape without any mythical paste.
It is useful to look at old photos: pierres-info.fr/cartes_postales_1/index.html
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths people seem to forget that stones have fracture points, and if none are present... Make them. I mean christ, the Romans and Chinese used to wipe out entire mountain ranges with water and gravity.
hi Matthew, would be great if you could check out his playlist: ruclips.net/p/PL47iaGB6hlT5sYZWd_G7sHg9cSRv6WWS6
hes aggregated his videos and debunks ancient lost technology by providing scientific and archeological evidence
People tend to forget what can be archieved if you add decades, unlimited manpower and skills honed over many generations.
Definitely! And on a grand scope of things, we can see the progression of stone work quality from the time periods.
bullshit. you’re not cutting vases out of diorite with “unlimited manpower”
Rrrrrrrrrrrrr wrong
@@BSIII not in Egypt u can’t lol
That’s a logical thought process… So why would the quality of workmanship decrease over time? Counterintuitive.
If you look at most of the granite and other carvings it seems that they were scratch engraved with a sharp outline first ,possibly with a piece of gemstone mounted on a stick like a lapidarist's dop stick, the rest may have been worked in a similar way to the demonstration. Earlier Sumerian engravings were mostly just outlines but had similar characteristics.
The trouble with a lot of commentators is that they can't comprehend the patience and time that the ancients applied to their crafts. Because it seems too difficult or time-consuming to them, then it must be impossible !
How much flint has been found around the pyramids????? Where is the source?????? Can these scientists make a 1 meter by 3 meter by 2 meter granite box, inside and out, to equal the precision of the granite sarcophagi at Saccarra?
I think more skill than patience and time , skill is making it look easy which these guys did not , as for building you see many vids on moving huge stones and all of them come across problems they never thought of , dial that out and dial in men with an extremely high skill level and you might just be left with a work system and rate that you can perform every day without killing yourself in the process , if you were to learn how to move or carve stone from say age 5 by the time you reached peak fitness you would have a skill set hard to imagine today , no need for technology
@@sjb3460 fli t is actually pretty common along the Nile River. Why don't you educate yourself before making ridiculous claims. That way you won't look so foolish.
How about you understand striations and symmetry, learn about stones and materials, then maybe you'll understand why educated people still don't buy this bs explanation
What struck me when I went to Egypt were the precise edges. The gliphs on the obelisks had a machined look. This is a really good effort in a short time. However, I'd really like to see a demo that comes even close to how precise the Egyptian work is. I noticed your edges are really ragged. Did they achieve this with very careful abrasion after having chipped out the shape? How did they do this for hundreds of symbols all the way up an obelisk without a single chip out?
well for starters these dudes did this first try. you gotta figure it Egyptians had professionals that were doing this for generations
@@chefdusse I cut granite everyday, polished too, years of work, and I still don’t think we can cut internal corners, fully polished like we see in kings chamber sarcophagus, and many other granite pieces around the area. This job here looks really rough, I know it’s their first go but regardless, if your using flint your always going to have blow outs, which are imperfections along the edges due to its mixed composition. Without diamond tipped rotary tools I can’t see how you could achieve such precision on such a hard yet fragile material. Even with our cnc saws we have blow outs and have to pick pieces up and glue them back into the stone edge to keep it looking natural.
Actually I’ll rephrase that, we don’t cut internal corners because the tools we use aren’t precise enough, but I can only imagine something like a little diamond tipped dremel drill could finish internal corners and polish them. Otherwise the min radius we can get is 5mm with a small rebate tool on the cnc machine.
@@Jack9N what is cnc?
@@mikev4621 computer numerical control. Runs off g code. We do not have to g code anymore for cutting though, that’s for the guys that fix the machines now. So basically a computer reads what I draw on autocad from a dxf file which is just lines in 2d, and the cnc machine cuts it to size, and to the angle I tell it to cut, & hopefully perfectly. So cnc accounts for all our machines with a head that moves, like a waterjet, a 5 axis bridge saw, or a cnc router (which is like a milling tool, that picks up different tools for whatever we need it for, edgework or holes)
Ancient High Technology! We've finally found it! : )
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Excellent! This shows exactly how the Dynastic Egyptians scratched and pecked their hieroglyphs into the fine surfaces of the incredible granite objects that they found.
Excellent. You have shared your belief that contains zero evidence to support it.
Nice job. Traces of corundum were found on a tube drill sample from ancient Egypt. Thant's much harder than flint. I'm sure that skilled craftsmen with purpose built tools could have etched the inscriptions found on obelisks and other monuments.
Would this work on basalt
But but but... Jimmy hit a rock with another rock and said it was stupid. Do you guys even have a hat? He has a hat, so he must be the expert.
I’m kidding, of course. Seriously, you guys are great, thanks for stuff like this.
Jimmy hit the rock with his head
the way i flint knap is very different to your method. you guys are amazing keep it up I learned about this channel from SGD
This is not cutting granite it’s scratching the surface which is already well documented and clearly evidenced they did
I would love to see a meaningful “cut” done with these techniques. That being said I do appreciate the video and demonstration. Keep it up
Why don't you watch another video about cutting then? Let me guess, you will want to see them cutting 80-ton block in flip-flops in the knee-high desert sand and when dehydrated? ;)
@@pharoaher3190 So they have a 1-year old video where they cut the granite slab with a copper saw and abrasive.
I saw big granite companies cutting stone blocks with water and sand machine if iam correct. Took forever. It's on youtube. Doesi.t explain the pyramids but that kitchen looked nice
so those companies is still cutting one block?@@sadhu7191
@@pavel9652 the result is ugly tho, can they make something beautiful like this ? i doubt
I was just watching another video and thought, "hey what if you could use flint to carve granite or andesite" and here we are. Thank you very much, lads
Great stuff, I have seen all these videos on your other channel. I hope you put more of those into this channel. It's hard to find them on your anthropogenez channel because they are titled in Russian
We will gradually translate everything into English
Is this a joke? The quality of that is TERRIBLE. Nothing like hieroglyphs I have ssen scores of times that are about 1 cm deep with vertical walls that are polished all around. The finish on this work is abysmal. Now go and make it another .8 cm deeper and polish it.
What is your material removal rate? How many hours did it take you? You cut away in order to make it look quick and easy. A 3:41 video took how long actually? This is an embarrassment to science, if you claim to use it to establish this as a real-world example of the Egyptians. This wouldn't fool a bushman.
I give this video a D-minus.
Flint can't cut granite!
>Flint cuts granite<
But, but your first test doesn't look as good as a master hand craft man would do this with experience for 40 years, for 12 hours a day and with knowledge passed down from generation to generation.
This is a good proof of concept. But if I'm being g honest it falls very short of the good smooth detail we see on many glyphs in Egypt.
To prove the method one must be able to mimic all the characteristics of the glyphs. Not just achieve a somewhat similar picture relief in stone.
How would you expect one or two people to be able to perfectly replicate these carvings? This isn't their full time job however if it was and they were sufficiently trained and they practiced for long enough there is no reason why they couldn't accomplish something similar. The Egyptians were perfecting their crafts and methods for hundreds of years and they were doing so with large numbers of people so of course their results were better than what a couple of lads achieved.
@@markgallagher5908 that's a valid point but it doesn't diminish mine. They Still have to achieve far more comparable a result to make it any kind of sufficient evidence. Trying to say this proves how they were carved in such staggering detail is the exact same as saying that since we have seen people use building block and brick in constriction on smaller scales that there is no mystery as to how the transport of the large multihundred ton blocks the pyramids are made of were transported, and built with. Obviously they were carved transported on site, and laid one upon another until the project was complete.
There's obviously some large technicalities that are being skipped over in such an explanation, and the same is true for thier crude carving vs the very detailed smooth finished relief products we see in actual hyroglyphs.
@@anthonypolonkay2681 They showed that the carving can be done with their method and the only thing missing is the quality of the work but giving the time constraints that's understandable. They didn't need to complete a Michelangelo level sculpture, they only needed to show how it can be done using their techniques. The building of the pyramids required workers with a diverse range of skill sets that no one person or small group of people could attain. If you need to be shown how every step in the pyramid construction works then you may be in for a long wait because we may never know precisely how it was all accomplished.
Sir Flinders Petre noticed that a lot of granite had been cut, not chiselled or ground away. What you've done may have been how some of the crude eygptian work was done, but you have to try and recreate the finest works to prove your point.
Why would it matter only what Petrie saw? Many people have studied over the last 200 years. There were various tools and techniques used by the Egyptians. This video was not created to answer every possible question by people who wish to remain credulous.
@Eyes_Open Petrie saw it catalogue it, and now those samples are in his museum for anyone to go see. I noticed a lot of comments saying "well that solves it then" but it doesn't even come close. What about the hundreds of over cuts that can be seen, where the cutting tools gone too deep into the granite.
@@russelllyne5298 There are stone examples there and all over Egypt. Toolmarks have been studied, tools found in the archaeological record, experiments performed. What overcuts? From what time period?
@Eyes_Open a lot of them are supposed to be from the first Dynasty, but that's just the egyptologists dating the artifacts off the crude hieroglyphs that's carved into them. Google "eygptian granite over cuts" some of the best ones are in a diorite statue of Khafre Enthroned. If you look closely in his arm pit, you can see where the cutting blade has gone a little too deep.
@russelllyne5298 I know that some characters promote the idea of overcuts as examples of lost technology. None of those examples have ever survived scrutiny. Those same characters promote the idea of false expert artifact dating by using the term crude when describing inscriptions. The underlying message is that academia is wrong/ignorant/afraid/etc and people should instead believe in the possibility of fantastic mysteries. Remember, a toolmark on a statue can be removed by grinding and polishing or it can remain by choice or omission.
Except few flint shards have been found. Did the masons also use flint or chert to drill holes?
Thanks, completely cleared my doubts of Ancient Egyptians skilled slave labors are responsible to construct huge megalithic structures with elaborate arts all over it, simply by having several men using flint to chisel a very simple eye. Wow, such a great proof, really impressed.
Yeah, and about the sculptures of Michelangelo it was necessary to add
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths Dude, Michaelangelo is working with Marble, don't mix marble with Granite.
"DURRR THEY HAD TO HAVE MACHINESSS TO DO THIS STUFF DURRRRR"...just goes to show how dumb these conspiracy people really are... they did this and they aren't even experts.. the people of the past had EXTREME SKILL..because they did it their ENTIRE LIVES...and so did their ancestors
And there are flint chips aplenty at the quarries ? I'm not saying that this method isn't feasible but there would have to be evidence to back it up
Yes. Denys Stocks noted this in his articles.
Nice job, thank you for the great fact checking!
Your eye even looks great by itself with no regards to ancient Egypt.
@Art of War Sure, but we need more people to be brave and try reproducing the ancient artifacts before we know what's possible.
Anybody can sit in their chair and claim "ancient hi tech civilization did it" or "it was done with bronze tools obviously", but very few are brave and diligent enough to put time and effort into experimental archaeology, to show to the rest of the planet what result we can and what we can not expect from particular methods, so that we can compare and contrast.
I applaud the guys and a patreon of them.
There are very clear signs of sharp saws being used. We know this. It's a fact. Chisels here and there. But big cuts are saws. Now... bronze age... no diamonds
. Not sure what kind of saw would work.
now lets cut a 2m X 2m X 4M block of granite, and move it with an entire palm as a lever.
sure give me 10 thousand men 3 months and 2 million dollars in coppor, wood and stone
Exactly. Debunking is so easy to prove on an ashtray size piece of granite with editing. Show us 30 to eighty ton. And how you separated it from the mine?
Hey do you have a video showing how Ancient Egyptians cut large blocks of stone using available tools like you just did with this?
ruclips.net/video/wi2nC4wgT6c/видео.html
No, because they'll have to resort to modern tools. No one has been able to actually recreate everything we see in Egypt. This video proved nothing. We already know how Egyptian engraved into granite. All the inscriptions found match crude techniques. However, the quality of the inscription does not match the quality of many of the objects themselves.
@@chrisparker2118 If you want a large block, you split it that way and then perform any follow up work as required. No modern machines required.
@@Eyes_Open The simplest explanation is usually the correct one but the pyramidiots would rather invoke aliens instead.
And this is how solid Basalt Hindu caves were carved out of the mountain, by picking up a Flintstone and hitting the mountain over and over.
I would like to try this and make my own sculptures...how long did it take you'all to finish? Makes you really impressed with the stoneworking skills of the Egyptians...I bet their most skilled masons were held in high regard, much like they are in our time.
Better use some proper tools, unless you want to replicate the method. Modern tools are insanely fast, but still working with stone is relatively painfull.
they won;t tell you cause it took days and days.....and is just ok as far as rendering something....just marginally proves the point that flint was used to make much of what we see..
@@glen.simpson Since I made the comment a year or so ago, I have been tinkering with stone working. It is really, really hard to work hard stones with other stones...just trying to grind the rock I have into a square shape....it has taken me a few months just tinkering around, but I almost have my square..well rectangle really...its kind of relaxing to sit in the back yard and grind the rock on my "Grind Stone". I could see though how people in ancient times who were master craftsman were held in high regard..cause its time consuming as shit. Not sure I am going to do anything with it after I get the rectangle....maybe try and cut a hole with it using a rock drill.....but that might be more than my patience will allow. :)
@@lonl123 But imagine committing your life to it, starting from a young age, with a wealthy society organized around producing one great project at a time, supporting this unknown number of craftsmen whose work is their entire identity and life, feeding them, providing their tools and materials, enabling them to be as productive as they can be, which is already much greater than that of any person of our time who hasn't dedicated their entire life to both perfecting it and reaching levels of speed and efficiency while doing so you probably can't visualize without years of experience and vast knowledge about and deep familiarity with available tools, materials, and techniques, gathered, curated, and distributed by that same wealthy and literate society.
@@alexanderzerka8477 Exactly...I'm sure Masons and other craftsman were what we might consider in our time as "Upper Middle Class"...not super rich (Though I'm sure there were some that were, much like some of our artists in our day) but well to do. They have been finding a lot of burials recently of craftsman and they had fairly elaborate tombs. They were just like us...which is one of the things that makes it even more interesting to me....They made very beautiful things that were so well made they have lasted till our time and still astound us with their craftsmanship...I wish the fucking Alien people would see the truth of it....I find that they were just like you and me even more awesome than it was some Crazy Alien race that for whatever reason liked to make Egyptian stuff....which is fucking ridiculous.
Can you make a box as elephant island? Can you cut granit like it?
What box - and more importantly = when does it date to........
Moral: Elephantine Island contains temples. While the earliest dates to the beginning of Dynastic Egypt = those were also the crudest ones........ Temples there were in some cases repeatedly renovated/rebuilt beginning later in the Old Kingdom period to the New Kingdom period and later.
If you wish to consider how something was made as far as technology you must first = place it in the correct period - since the Egyptian civilization lasted ~3K years - and a lot can happen in that much time as far as improved technology.
Really impressive. I've been doing alot of masonry recently and have experience in flintknapping but somehow I never put the two together.
Um just curious how long did it take you to make this eye?
So now we know the ancient aliens would have merely needed flint to build the pyramids.
Lol
But it was magic flint. It magically cut millions of blocks and then when the magic flint was used up and throw into a pile, the flint piles magically disappeared.
moving goalposts, it's endless with the Internet.
How long did it take to carve that crude eye?
Lost technology? Not anymore. Still waiting for them to solve polygonal stonework.
@Javier Garza Now that make good sense. A giant pantograph copy machine. Just heard about hardened copper tools. I know they had tin exports worldwide, from Cornwall and Peru etc. Copper n tin make bronze. Did they have a version harder than steel? Gold is a good infrared reflector, giant gold mirrors focusing the sun, melt or ablate stone?
that's probably how Gobekli Tepe was done
Well done! Frankly, finally rational and authentic humans who seek to prove themselves instead of trying to convince others. Thank you for being so amazing!
Safety glasses..? I don't need no stinking safety glasses. Hey.. how come my eyes are red and burning.
These guys are genius! Sneaky suggestion.....is it possible to secretly attach your demonstrations piggy-back fashion onto the ends of Ancient Architects, Unknown X, Bright Insight efforts?
For the record, I do think there is a logical explanation for all we see and I’ve been subscribed to this channel for a long time :) This was amazing.
@@AncientArchitects interest in Egyptology is to be applauded however disciples of Mr Hancock in the form of bedroom researcher's frequently condemn the "mainstream" scientific community for their reluctance in accepting their preposterous views. Science is for grownups where findings are subject to peer review and constant reappraisal. One thing common to many of these pseudoscience RUclips channels is that any challenge to their content is either removed or blocked, I'm sure Mr Sibson you will agree this is not the way to conduct scientific analysis.
@@thylacinenv I don’t block, and I am happy to engage in discussion. I started my channel very much ‘alternative’ but the more time I’ve invested in research and reading, as viewers have seen, the less alternative my ideas have become. I’ve said this on my channel a number of times over the past 12 months. Ancient Architects really is a reflection of my own thinking, it reflects my own level of knowledge and learning. As many have seen, I’m happy to accept Khufu built the Great Pyramid unless somebody can show me compelling, dateable evidence to the contrary. I’m happy to believe Sacsayhuaman was built 1100 AD unless someone can prove otherwise. I have lost many subscribers in the past 12 months but also gained a lot. Whether my own ideas are right or wrong, I am always approaching it from an honest position and will never present an idea if I don’t believe in it at the time of publication. 👍
And just to add: Sometimes I will give my own perspective and interpretation but I will only use evidence - scientific, archaeological, historical as a basis. I used to say the Great Pyramid could have been a water pump. Then I researched it in detail and realised that this is impossible. I do want answers to the so-called mysteries, hence subscribing to this channel and their demonstrations are pretty incredible. 👍
Thankyou for your reply, your site is always informative.
Well it's a possible answer to some of the questions, but the large stones that are cut and placed in the middle of giza pyramids is still a wonder.
Not really. The largest/heaviest stones found in the Great Pyramid = are below the halfway point. Also the pyramid itself rests atop an elevated area of the plateau while the main quarry was a few hundred meters away to the south - slightly lower. So the natural rise leading up to the pyramid from the quarry area invariably was part of the ramp used to raise those blocks you refer to. Above the level of the King's Chamber the pyramid blocks become smaller as it rises in height. 🤔
I'm always facsinated by this type of experiment. People with the same tools and unlimited time and no one threatening them to work harder and they still can't come up with even a fraction of the craftsmanship that the Egyptians did. I'm not saying this isn't how they could have done it, I just don't see anymore evidence to suggest they did this over using different methods. If this is convinces you that they built the entire grandeur of the Egyptian civilization by banging two rocks together like this then I'm truly sorry.
Haha poor people built them. I think to build stone structures world wide u would need international trade, boats, type of car.
"unlimited time and no one threatening them to work harder" lmao
Nicely done. I'd like to see this done on a vertical surface if you find the time. Thank you for your hard work.
Finally, we get to see ancient astronauts.
AMAZING WORK YALL
I love this!
So even with tools "softer" than the material one works on, there still can be amazing results, it just takes a lot of time and dedication, both were around aplenty back then.
And 7 hours for this lovely eye doesn't sound too badly.
I am amazed!
I doubt they cut the thousands and thousands of tons of granite in the pyramids this way. That seems absurdly masochistic and a huge waste of resources and time (if possible at all)
@@mouwersor pyramids we're mostly limestone. Kings chamber is granite. Though there are plenty of granite carvings and pieces much much more beautiful then this eye.
@@jumpingsloth3963 there is more granite than just the kings chamber
softer tools? so we can't cut diamonds today?
This helps me understand the artifacts I find on our property in Scandinavia. Flint and quartz seem to be the tools of choice for shaping the granite stones/mountains. Seeing it in practice gives more of a reference as far as potential ware on tools, etc. thanks for the content!
Laughing at all the alien pyramid engineers that couldn't imagine doing something so hard from their moms basement. 🤣
Flint is a quartz type rock that occurs in limestone layers. So, given the abundant layers of limestone and the chemical sedimentation of flint, Egyptians had a ready resource for use in carving. Flint has a Mohs hardness of 7 and can be chipped easily to a point because of its concoidal fracture capability. Pink granite has an overall average of 6 on the same scale. Since the scale is logarithmic the flint is 10 times harder than the granite. As is seen here, it's quite easy to use, what's called, pecking to chip away the granite and reveal the picture intended. Bloody nice job all round really. You are my new favourite bois!!
Just to clear up a common misconception: Hardness - resistance to abrasion - is irrelevant to sculpting stone. Toughness - resistance to fracture - is what matters.
Now do the exact same engraving on the opposite side of an elaborate sculpture and have it come out identically.
Can you provide an example?
Which sculpture has ever been made of granite?
You don't think they had masters of their craft in ancient Egypt?
It is super easy, you just use a wooden drawing stencil. You draw the shape you are interested into, you cut the wood, and you chisel inside the hole: same exact drawing as many times as you need it.
OK, you show here that you can scratch the granite block. How is the strength of your Stone? Can it be used for further processing as a stair step, window sill, etc. for sale? And can you also carve out right angles and dimensional accurate edges with your flint stone. Which is equivalent to the quality of the so-called artifacts.
You watched a video showing how flint can cut granite and then you ask for more about flint cutting granite.
@@Eyes_Open Should your question here reflect your references? The best thing to do is to ask a craftsman who can translate it for you.
@@johnwalker1553 I didn't ask a question. I pointed out that you watched a video showing how it was possible to shape granite with flint and then you asked for more evidence of shaping with flint. They also have a video showing the creation of an inside corner using flint.
@@Eyes_Open Well, that "scientists" will have already selected suitable types of stone. Lower strength is certainly not suitable for further production in the fabric. But if you only see the result, who says that they didn't use good tools? Or do you see a usable tool edge on the flintstone? Did these people hold a tool edge with the required angles in the camera so that you can assess the wear? That's what I meant by looking for a stonemason that of your trust. It's pointless to argue about professional tools with a layman.
@@johnwalker1553 Your point is unclear. Tool edges are affected regardless of the tool type. Flint was used as a tool throughout Egyptian history because it was effective and easily replaced.
Yeah, that's no statue of Ramses 80 feet tall, each one carved the exact same dimensions. Is all this channel shows tiny, rough examples? Make a Serapeum box! Carve an 80 foot statue to perfection! Either re-create something like we see has been done by the ancient Egyptians, or you really prove nothing.
How do you guys think they got that mirror finish that you see in ancient Egypt?
The left over dust, rather than thrown away, can be used to polish, the finer the dust the higher the polish. It doesnt't take that long either. 30 mins to an higher to get very noticable results. Just rubbing the dust with a piece of wood will do it, it's just like very fine grit sand paper people use to polish paint, metal and stone still now.
Here's an example
ruclips.net/video/ol2P7nEz-ac/видео.html
This is called "polishing")
@@SacredGeometryDecoded the sealer was the part I was interested in I guess. That super glossy clear layer they added to it after polishing.
Or overcuts. Or mirror finishes in caves that we light today with LEDs, not smoky torches. Or perfectly straight edges, measured by micrometers to be almost as smooth as glass. I will accept throwing man power at some things, but the edge cases need specialisation not seen in our view of the ancient world.
@@glennpbooth the whitworth 3 plate method to make flat surface granite plates. Based on ancient polishing technique. Spot flatness of a micron is no big deal. Polished granite will have similar results or better. Hand polishing to a few nanometers is common enough.
I have posted demo videos on flattening and polishing granite. Next week I will take some pieces for testing. Just by repeating age old practice (still modern practice for making/calibrating surface plates) I am entirely confident I have repeated those results. It comes down to a fine abrasive and rubbing.
Either way 1.5 microns is not special for polished granite. 31 microns such as Puma Punku is low quality hand polishing standards.
The original precision machines such as by Whitworth were hand made.
Johanneson gauge blocks are to within a small fraction of a micron. Hand made.
Lenses are brought to within a few nanometer flatness. Hand polished.
Ancient Egypt had smokeless flame by mixing natron with castor oil. People knew a thing or two about fire. Callimachus lamp another example of stopping soot staining white marble walls.
The caves in India are not perfectly straight, the overall flatness of surfaces was not tested but just by reflections it is clear they are not flat to any basic level of precision.
The same spot flatness of a micron would be common enough wherever there is a polished granite floor, tombstone etc prior to the age of modern precision.
It just comes down to polishing, about 45 minutes to 1.5 hours depending on level of polish.
I have posted how to videos on this that anyone can repeat very cheaply and easily within a few hours from a very rough surface.
As for over cuts prior to machines they are also very common.
The only advantage since ancient times is steel and steel isn’t necessary since with flint tools sculptors have made elaborate carvings in granite. Including undercutting fine details such as ears.
Straight lines and flat surfaces are still apprentice level skills for traditionally trained masons.
Your channel is amazing and I always look forward to your next upload. Well done, keep up the great work. Cheers from Australia ✌🇦🇺🙂
Thank you from Russia! :-)
I personally believe that the Egyptians used gemstones and gemstone-embedded stones for fine work. Embedding a gemstone or flint into a bone like an archer's arrow is all that's required.
That explains it
Unfortunately people like mysteries and can't believe that all it takes is time and labour.
So impressive!!!
Nicely done - and now the vases!
They have videos about making vases.
@@Eyes_Open My point is that this primitive method doesn't explain how the very precisely made and very thin vases explored by Ben-X and Chriss Dunn were shaped in hard granite thousands of years ago. The same kind of vases are even displayed in the Cairo Museum alongside handmade vases from the dynasties.
@@Eigil_Skovgaard A thin vase just requires more grinding. The precision claims are illogical. Any claims of impossibility require proof. The Dunns use such unfalsifiable claims in attempt to avoid responsibility.
@@Eigil_Skovgaard Excerpt:
"While we cannot tell with certainty, if the way that we have _described_ the design exactly matches that of the original creators, we are confident that our reverse-engineered model does indeed represent the actual mathematics, interrelations and constraints present in the original design."
Moral: Ben's argument is entirely = theoretical........ Note the italics - found in the original report. Their premise refers to _"reverse engineering"_ while the initial report release also clearly stated they were incapable of stating where the vase in question originated from or what culture made it.
So Ben's vase argument presupposes a desire to duplicate** without detailing how something was made. If further is one of merely incredulity supported by conjecture. Ben's only argument is _"I do not believe it is Egyptian...... = but I cannot then say who or what made it."_ That is not a particularly compelling argument really.
* - as noted above they inserted italics in the report and when words are highlighted thusly is implies = they are "stressing" that term. So this infers what is being "described" reflects subjective interpretation rather than objective. That is a big, big caveat by the way.
** - this assumption then infers the creator = sought to achieve those dimensions - yet Ben has zero evidence to support such an assumption - merely more conjecture about supposed impossibility.
@@varyolla435 Why not stop talking and just replicate one of those very precise vases? That would make a compelling argument for your methods.
I suggest the four steps in Chris Dunn's book - Lost Technologies of Ancient Egypt, page 202. Step 1 is finished, you can concentrate on 2-4.
Ok, now do a 100 ton box.
We’re waiting…
Who is waiting? People who don't understand logic?
@@Eyes_Open Derp.
@@MediaLieDetector Unsurprised.
Cool bro. we gon need 5 million blocks and a few 80 ton ones.
5 million _granite_ blocks? Show me
Loads of people are out here saying this can’t be done. And here we have it before your very eyes. It’s a shame people can’t be bothered to do any actual research :(
Thank you for making this video!!!!!
No one's saying it can't be done, everyone is saying the precision is the question. You're very, very confused, Kade.
This was amazing!
This is great even if this is not the exact technique used it shows what can be done with a little will. Imagine a large work force of artisans, masons etc trained over thousands of years.
The goal of course was to demonstrate that one can use stone tools to shape stone. Man has been doing that for millennia. As to workforce = a very large workforce. Just as you see today with say fast food restaurants which are ubiquitous in a town because of course "demand" is constant = so in ancient Egypt demand for various objects was always there.
So they created an entire economy dedicated to the creation of various things the people wanted - either for everyday use or to accommodate their religious beliefs vis a vis items needed for burial. Here is an example. Egyptologists have over the years unearthed underground caches of mummified animals as votive offerings and as burial times to be sold to people = literally millions of them. Think about the scale to create all that. It would have required a large workforce devoted to creating them + an even larger one devoted to supplying all the raw materials + and it would have spanned centuries.
Then as now you got what you paid for. So Pharaohs or wealthy temples employed their own castes of craftsmen who would have had access to more resources and time yielding "museum quality" things for their patrons. On the flip side you might have had "community workshops" who turned out mass quantities of "knock-offs" for sale to the general public. So absolutely large workforces were in play here. 🤔
@@varyolla435 workforces that laboured for a wage of food and basic needs for their god. Imagine!
Please a Question to the intressted audience: Years ago I stumbled over a YT Vid where French Stoneworkers tried similar as here. They took a block of Granit (rose Granit as I remember) and chisseld with Flint a sharp inner Corner in it. That went good on. They didn´t finish it to last detail but the proofe was a little given enough that it could be done with the method and more time. I cannot find this Vid again :-( Knows anyone from wich Vid I talk?
You proved a point there with a simple experiment.
They proved that you CAN carve granite with flint and grind with abrasive. The did NOT prove that the Egyptian or their predecessors did it this way. If anything this method really demonstrates that its NOT suitable for large scales and huge numbers of pieces with super fine finish, so some other way would be needed. No one has offered an appropriate method to this day. We still don't know. Fast flowing river and sand also abrades Granite, so are you willing to suggest that the Egyptians just dunked blocks of granite in the creek, and directed the water to make the statues? Because is true that river water and abrasive sand does erode granite, so does that mean this is the method? No.
@@everythingisalllies2141 💯. Self righteous idiots who think they’ve proven something, when the only think they’ve proved. That they truly don’t understand
That is supposed to be compared to the exquisite statues? That was very rough by comparison.
How many exquisite statues have you seen at the same zoom level as this eye?
@@erichamilton8952 pretty sure they would be far better. But, to be fair, they did;t work on this as long as the egyptians would have to get it perfect. Just a demo after all.
extremely interesting. It doesn't prove anything, from a strictly historiographic or scholarly point of view, but certainly ignites thoughts.
Now can you show us how to move a 1000 ton granite stone with a sled 😂
How does your request relate to this video?
@Eyes_Open well, easy if they can explain how the granite was cut, then they must know how it was moved
@@doseofboost4509 They know what you should also know. Mechanical advantage, ropes and muscle.
@@Eyes_Open hahah ropes and wood on a 1200 ton block you guys are clowns
@@doseofboost4509 Go outside for sunlight and fresh air. You have been deceived by grifters who make money from your willingness to believe in fantasies.
Wonderful!
It only shows that you can use flint and other tools to carve granite but does not prove that old Egyptians did it this way. How much it really took in hours to carve it out?
Okay, now cut a 12ft solid granite block hollowed out and completely smooth inside and out, with 90° cuts.
This seems pointless, like we know they knew how to work stone, that's not at all the mystery.
Good job…but it looks exactly as I would expect it to for the method used. I don’t think anyone is doubting you can smash and chip a rough shape into any stone but doing it consistently and precisely with little to no room for error is very far from the demonstration provided here.
If they video taped you and a buddy trying to build a house using circa-1850 technology I suspect that the process would take a very long time and the quality of the product would be inferior to what we know was produced by master carpenters of the time. But what if you lwere in the position to build ten more houses in the same way. I suspect there would be great difference in quality between fiest one and last one. Hence a general trend in terms of the differences between proof of concept experiments now and actual products from 4500 years ago.
@ I agree with you on that point but the comparison isn’t quite the same. What I’m assessing here is that even with improvement’s on the techniques demonstrated I doubt you would be able to achieve the final results.
@proar1368 no offense but incredulity isn't really a legitimate argument here. I'm unaware of any endeavor involving people with an aptitude for working by hand ho didn't improve greatly thru time. Especially if feeding themselves and their family depended on it. Kind of comes down to occams razor. Either egyptians were trained to do this type of thing much better and faster using the known technology of the time or some sort of high technology was used for which there is no probative evidence for the existence of the machine itself or the footprint that its development and use would leave in the archeological and archival records.
@@Docrock-z9k I think my issue here is also why go backwards then. Why did they not continue to improve upon their techniques ? If it was achievable through mastery and skill why do the current known tools and techniques not reflect that. It should be clear as day what methods and skills were required but it isn’t the knowledge has faded away so strongly in what I believe is an inaccurate dating and timeline of our past. I’m not saying that they didn’t build or achieve greatness with their skills but the methods laid out in the video regardless of extrapolation of skill and mastery just do not reflect the level that was achieved.
@proar1368 I don't really understand what you are saying in terms of going backward as well as the rest of your post. You would need to be a little more clear and give some specific examples relevant to this video.
Looks nothing like the real thing... not even close. But I suppose the professionals of the day would have created their own specialized tools... soooo maybe?
Don't need to match the skill. Just need to show it was possible.
@@wodenravens If they can make something that is perfectly symmetrical using that technique.. than I would say this mystery is about solved. But the fine detail work we see is perfect in every way to the naked eye... this technique isn't so far showcasing that that is possible.
@@harrygreb4563 No, it really isn't 'perfect in every way' or even close to symmetry.
If you want to see real fine details, look at roman sculptures.
Serious question, did the ancient Egyptians ever have access to perfectly spherical copper pipe, if so, how did they make it. Thank you
Egyptians were smelting and working with copper before pyramids were built. Hammer out a sheet of copper and wrap around a stick to make it circular, solder the edges.
Mystery solved....awesome video
So this is what aliens look like…
In the future after the collapse of modern civilization: this is like throwing a ladder across a narrow creek and saying: “See? This is how they could have built the Golden Gate Bridge.”
Only not really, because without constant maintenance the Golden Gate Bridge would collapse, unlike the pyramids which have retained their structural integrity on their own for thousands of years.
Blocks stacked one atop another require no maintenance........... So long as man does not purposely destroy them or a powerful earthquake causes structural failure - which the design and weight of the pyramids help to mitigate = they will sit there as always.
We finally got cranes to lift 1500 tons in the 1980s but before that we couldn’t lift nothing that heavy
Looks even older than the originals! Great work
Now imagine those perfectly cut slabs.... with flint.
I'm sorry. As a manufacturing scientist your work looks exactly like you did what you did. It comes nothing close to the work that no one today can replicate without rotary diamond tools. Part of my body of work was in drill bit Technology for stone cutting. Creating metal matrix composites to hold onto the diamond or carbides needed to carve stone.
I have seen things in Egypt that I do not know how to do with every modern machine that we have. most can be replicated with rotary tools and metal matrix composite bits. But there are three dimensional corners that we do not know how to cut today. you’re using disingenuous results to fool people who don’t understand what is going on. I love science, but if you’re against anything, you’re not a scientist. Science is the open-minded exploration of the possible. everyone on this channel is trying to maintain their academic position and their reputation.
Using any tools you want create a dolomite sarcophagus with the exact same surface, finish dimensions, angularity, and internal geometry as the ones found in Egypt. Not a miniature, not a ragged scraped up terrible looking eye that is on par with caveman art. you can easily disprove everybody by simply matching the surface finish and the angular relationships thus ending all questions.
😴😴 Ah - the old _"day job"_ argument.......... = again. 🥱
Moral: you know who else has a day job = archeologists and other academic experts they work with - such as engineers et al......... Unlike yourself however they are not merely _"tourists"_ who claim to visit some ancient site and presume to know based upon = assumptions..........
They make the effort to first understand all the relevant evidence before forming conclusions so that in good scientific inquiry those conclusions are supported by more than mere assumptions - both in how it was done and how one's day job supposedly qualifies a non-expert here to opine in matters outside of their own area of expertise........
If you can’t make your point simple you simply have no point… you’re not submitting a thesis for your doctorate bro 😂 this is a comment section
@ so in your simple mind only simple things are true? 😂😂😂😂 Not a big fan of space travel I'm guessing. Is the Earth flat because it looks flat to you? 👍😂😂😂😂😂
@@jay-by1se Having trouble staying on point I see......... That is soup do jour for LAHT trolls of course. They flit from topic to topic and nonsensical rationalization to rationalization because of course = they are incapable of discussing the subject-matter at hand.......
Moral: thank you for showing all you are a fraud.......
A "manufacturing scientist" would speak to science rather than inane prattling about "Flat Earth" etc.. You LAHT are soooo easy to "out" it frankly becomes a bore doing so. 🥱
Compare that to the size, scale and accuracy of ramses statues... Made entirely out of one solid block of granite with 100% symmetry... Nope; not possible.
A king project. With perrenial stone workers and unlimited manpower. Do able.
This video explain how ancient people make precise cut and carve the granite stone. Its all about the technique not by advance tools or machineries.
Tired of people who'd say it was made by powertools of some kind yet when at the time, there were no electricity, steel, complex machines, fossil fuel let alone aliens.. The artisans of the writings on stone lived at the bronze age longer than we are at the iron age..it is just natural that they can make perfect work with stone with the tremendous skills that they possess at the time. From their childhood, they worked rocks with bronzes and stones, because no more sophisticated material was available to work with!
So.. Where is the evidence that the ancient Egyptians used flint tools to cut granite?
I rather think you missed the point. There is ample evidence to show the Egyptians were harvesting enormous amounts of Flint/Chert from quarries for use in various applications. At Wadi el-Sheikh as one example Egyptologists found evidence of such harvesting on what can only be viewed as an industrial scale.
Massive heaps of shards of Flint/Chert which could be processed into stone tools are found there. At Giza around the worker village they found examples of Flint/Chert tools such as were used to quarry the Limestone there in addition to bronze tools.
So this video demonstrates that the Egyptians who clearly were using gneiss stone tools to work stone = could achieve working granite using Flint/Chert. There is also however direct evidence of their doing this using Dolerite as another video shows. Dolerite pounders were found in large numbers littering granite quarries such as Aswan.
Egyptologists also found evidence of their using "rounded out" Dolerite pounders which were no longer useful for quarrying - ones which lost their pointed feature necessary for chipping were noted to be discarded - as "ball bearings" to move heavy objects like sarcophagi into position.
Examples of these were found under sarcophagi being manipulated into place. A heavy object could have then placed under it to allow the workers to "roll" it into position. Upon being situated a sarcophagus could then be levered up - the ball bearings removed - and it lowered into final position.
How long did it take the two men to fashion the eye?
Drop down video description menu says 7 hours.
impact carving relies on the path of weakness in the rock. You can remove material even with weaker stones and metals if you simply accept removal of material along its natural path of weakness. You are demonstrating the compromise involved in impact carving. You have no control. How did ancients completely contrive specific paths, not dependent on the materials flawed structure? based on your method, the ancients could have used your method to remove surrounding material, but would have had to have stopped well above the depth at which an impact could render material anywhere near the actual final surface of the carving. And at that point, they would have had to resort to extremely slow rendering, wearing down their tools orders of magnitude faster than the actual granite material they were carving. In this way, simply smooth carvings would have taken excessively long periods of time that would make this approach insane and completely inappropriate. But for 'debunkers' it is fun to pretend to have solved the mysteries that have confounded smarter people for millennium. Enjoy your fantasy.
Flint and granite are both primarily quartz, though granite also has softer materials such as feldspar and mica. I would argue that the tools would NOT wear down faster than the material they were working.
You're talking out of your ass bud.
😂" Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man !"
I think the issue most people have is that this method would take an extremely long time to carve/polish each stone, then transporting and elevating the stones to place them is still a challenge.
When most people say "lost technology" they aren't referring to some sci fi type of tool. A process to form the blocks using concrete would fall under this category. Using channels of water to move them would fall there as well.
The point is, how they were built wasn't documented and replicating them today is a difficult task even with our machinery. This doesn't mean aliens exist or there was a super advanced civilization. It simply means they must have had some method that we haven't thought about.
IF they carved and moved every block by hand, what was the purpose? The work force and time it would have taken just doesn't make sense unless they served a purpose.
These guys showed that it's possible to carve an image into a block. That's a far cry from explaining how or why millions of blocks were carved, transported and stacked.
> These guys showed that it's possible to carve an image into a block. That's a far cry from explaining how or why millions of blocks were carved, transported and stacked.
What a wise thought! Carving an image and moving blocks are not the same thing. Bravo
@@ScientistsAgainstMyths what a respectful and well thought out response! Bravo.
Millions? Where the heck are those millions of polished blocks you are talking about?
@@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 the pyramids are made up of the millions of blocks I am talking about. Sure, they aren't granite but the question remains the same.
Those are unpolished limestone blocks, quick and easy to carve. Less of a problem than i. e. the Chinese wall.
How long it take
Now make a 100 ton granite box.
Excellent work people. 👍❤️😇
The myth is that you could get an optically flat surface with 90 degree corners, polished, using this method. Dream on. Technology cannot reproduce this today.
I rather think the myth you speak of is the one whereby people comically assume that these Egyptian artifacts are as "precise" as claimed on the internet - which of course they are not. There coincidentally are videos to be found here as well which debunk such characterizations. So they were less precise than some assume and were entirely possible to create using the tools at hand. Garbage in ------> Garbage out. 🤨
I get sick of people making excuses, if theres evidence of advanced matching then that's what was used even if people don't want to believe it.
Is it really that precise, though? Did you measure it yourself?
"it was aliens!" 😂
not sure if this is just to show that its possible to carve granite with flint or to show that you can do just as good of a job as the ancients did, because in that case no, the ancient carvings were clean polished and perfect,
Yeah because they didn’t do it as a one off experiment but as a lifelong work that was passed on for hundreds of generations.
Still plenty of those kind of stone masons around and they still make the most insane shit by hand.
You should go to their channel, they have a large membership that does all types of work, this was a quick demonstration to illustrate the cutting was possible. I watched one video where a very fine large bird shaped onyx vessel was created by one person from a block of that stone, it took her almost a year working an average of 4-5 hrs/day while she lived her normal life as well. This is why ancient material culture objects are generally not ubiquitous and were held in great value. It also demonstrates how the guild system and stratified society would have evolved in the great civilizations.
You're full of shit. They are not perfect and as far as polishing that is simply a matter of time and effort.