Fall of Dhaka 1971 Analyzing After 52 Years | Ghazi M. Abdullah | Ep:43 | WTI Talks
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this episode, our host Ahsan Tariq on "The WTI Talks" as he engages in a thought-provoking conversation with guest Ghazi M. Abdullah, reflecting on the significant historical event - the Fall of Dhaka in 1971, now analyzed after 52 years. Gain valuable insights into the historical, political, and cultural context surrounding this pivotal moment in time. Ghazi M. Abdullah shares his perspectives, shedding light on the complexities of the events leading up to and following the fall of Dhaka. Explore the lasting impacts and lessons learned from this crucial chapter in history. Don't miss this insightful discussion that aims to deepen our understanding of the past and its relevance to the present.
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Pakistan can't avoid the responsibility for which Bangladesh had no reason but to seek separation? once the separation was inevitable then we had to do what we did, you can't use those as a justification to what you did. Ball was in your court and you decided the course of action and we had to retaliate & resist being the oppressed. we fought for our independence as that was the only way left for us.
Bengali from very binning looted east pakistan and made one unit to oppose bengali and take all for punjabi faugi
Stop being childish.
We wish you well, but you can't recount history according to your own narrative. It has to be viewed for all it's good, and bad.
This discussion is part of that process.
Plus, you must also accept your responsibility, and accept there were lots of misunderstandings, which India used effectively.
The stupid thing is the present government in Bangladesh is just making things worse, it keeps looking back, when it should be looking ahead.
Pakistan should forgive $ 50 billion debt of Bangla desh as development and defence cost of E Pakistan from 1947 to 1970. Be big brother with big heart.
In 1971, Pakistan killed huge number of innocent Bengalis specially Bengali hindues.
What did the Mukti Bahni do? Large scale massacre and fratricide of West Pakistani families and Bihari's and even the infants in the laps of the mothers were not pardoned and killed by ruthless mean.
Did any Bengali, during those days, receive such treatment, albeit the millions of Bengalis were and are still here and living in friendly atmosphere.
@@abdulmajadjahangir9225 Pakistan army killed huge number of Bengalis, specially Bengali hindues. Mukti Bahini try to protest against Pakistanis atrocities.
@@abdulmajadjahangir9225 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuknagar_massacre
@@abdulmajadjahangir9225 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankharibazar_massacre
@@abekawser4908 Being an Indian agent, you are duty bound to spew venom to tell lies without of hesitation. The wildebeest Mukti Bahni hooligans, by ruthless means, killed millions of West Pakistan and Bihari s family and you are clamoring it as Protest. Millions of curses on the person, telling a lie.
Did any Bengali, during those days, receive such treatment, albeit the millions of Bengalis were and are still here and living in friendly and brotherly atmosphere
Sir, I am from Dhaka, Bangladesh. Every year in 16th December, i search on youtube “fall of dhaka” to know the opinion about Pakistanis in different tv show. I always see orya maqbool jan sab. Like every year, I also searched today and saw your videos. You have said truth about 1971.
Oryo jaanu 😂😂😂
Love from Pakistan
I am from Bahawalpur and Karachi
😓❤🇵🇰
did you people hate paksitani people??
what is the common man approach for paksitan??
2nd...we felt pain and breakdown of paksitan every year on this date
@@yasmeeniqbal7002 The common people's opinion about Pakistan is average today, most will consider Pakistan close in terms of religion but will judge harshly for it's action towards Bengalis upto 1971 and the war. People actually didn't hate Pakistan back then, the military of Pakistan didn't even recognize our mother tongue and when we rose up and protest for the injustices, they're brutal crackdown created destruction and hatred arousals which India took advantage of with (guerrillas) hence Bangladesh was born. Nowadays we have various opinion on the war and outcome, but one thing is unanimously agreed, Pakistani Army committed unspeakable atrocities and war crimes in 1971. (Though we don't blame the general population of West Pakistan)
- Take love from Bangladesh❤
Now ur doing same in balochistan? 50 years later u will, doing same on balochistan issue
You failed to mention that India signed Friendship and Cooperation treaty with the Soviet Union in 1971, before daring to attack Pakistan.
It,s show that time, Bengal is burde on West Pakistan.. 😢😮😅😊😊😅
I think, the professor on discussion would be knowing that Ch Rehmat Ali and Allama Iqbal never conceived of Bengal to be part of Muslim homeland for Indian Muslims. It was the area where Pakistan exists today. Bengali muslim leaders were tricked by Jinnah to join or even propose Pakistan to make himself a greater leader. This certainty was an unnatural alliance which did not last even for 25 years and Bengal ( E. Bengal) had to pay a very price for their independence.
Bangal and some other states which are the part of India today were included in the Ch. Rehmat's concept of Pakistan. You can consult "Rehmat Ali by KK Aziz" to know more about the Rehmat Ali's ideology about a independent Muslim country
It was one of the best discussions on the topic I have ever come across. Many thanks to the professor and the host. From Dhaka.
I skipped the history section, but this podcast was interesting. And I am planning to learn our history after 24 attempt
Some interesting facts from a Pakistani--at least after 1/2 a century TRUTH is coming out but not all accurate or complete history. British India even agreed by Mountbatten was to be divided in three main areas-Muslim dominated West, Hindu dominated middle, and undivided Bengal proposed by Sarat Bose, Suhrawardy and others. However, Nehru and Patel sided with Hindu Mahashaba to divide Bengal and Punjab. Others would be princely states (including Nizam's Hyderabad). Jinnah was a good but selfish and fraudulent lawyer who wanted to be Chief of some entity. Gandhi asked Patel and Nehru to let Jinnah be the chief but Patel refused. Jinnah fooled Bengal and Biharis who came to the part closer to home but Jinnah never took them, poor guys,. Jinnah didn't speak Urdu either but Karachi had UP Muslims who were more educated than the landlords of Punjab. In 1757 Bengal was the richest region and therefore the British attacked the Nawab of Bengal, Bihar, Orissa and Assam and built the city of Calcutta for business, taking the glory away from Dhaka--what a travesty of history.! Proud Bangladeshi, from Boston, USA
Mukti Bahini was formed after 25 March 1971, when Bengali units of Army started defecting and then police, Border security forces and other para military forces joined them formed the core of Mukti Bahini, then the students and volunteers around the country joined with them. some were trained in Indian side but not all.
Did India helped you?
MuktiBahini helped Indian Army to reach Dhaka as fast as possible by engaging and fighting the Pakistani Army on the way while the Indian Army was allowed to bypass the pak defence. otherwise it would be impossible for any Army of the world to reach Dhaka in 10 days.@@biswajitdas-tg1ot
No India had nothing to do with Mukti Bahini, India helped to train and build a separate force named Mujeeb Bahini, who never took part in direct fights with Pak Army, this force was embedded into Indian army units for local knowledge of terrain and communication etc.
The Army Police Border forces of different Mukti Bahini forces were already trained so they didn't need Indians to train the civilian volunteers who joined these forces.
@@biswajitdas-tg1ot
@@OpinionAZ bsf commander Ghosh who command mukti to dismantle fenni bridge, please go to ziaur Rahman grave and ask him, actually Bengali Muslim are always traitor, can you mention any Bengali Muslim freedom fighters who jailed in Andaman celular jail
Mukti bahini was formed by India's raw in 1966
U colonized Bangladesh, jinnah humiliated them on language issue in 1948, why do not u create confederation now in name of Islam & nabi
Aurangzeb alamgir straightened bengalis as bengalis always resort to revolt,sheikh mujeeb also got the treatment due,3 days his dead body remained waiting to be buried.
Traitor reached it's due end.
I think Punjab was mainly responsible as the East Pakistan was discriminated against. They were not accepted as equal citizens. The situation with Sindh and Balochistan especially Sindhis and Balochis as ethnic communities is still the same. Punjab needs to revamp the federation. The defence need to be brought within civilian democratic control. Otherwise the things may not change for better. Almost all the economic resources in federation as well as provinces end up in Punjab. Most of the development contracts out of about 1000 bn development budget go to the Punjabi speaking big business houses. Public services in federation and authories are occupied by the big brother also. The politicians of smaller provinces are threatened and controlled by security services.
Being an agent of your your benefactor country INDIA, you are duty bound to spew such venom against Pakistan and go on such turbidity with you ill nature.
Statistical debates about murders and rapes by Punjabis will not absolve Pakistan. Beg pardon to us whatever the figures were..Refusing power to the majority was your grave offense.You must pay for that and realize" war is too important an affair to be left over to the Generals only.".
Shiekh mujeeb u rehman was a true patriot. His political demand was misunderstood.
Agartalla case proved him traitor
he was traitor see his bbc interview
he was traitor see his bbc interview
@@tahirlateef4059 Proved? That case was dismissed due to lack of evidence.
Kuch vi!
Professor is spin doctor 💊
I’m Bangladeshi , I really appreciate this discussion, Bhutto and Gen Yahya is responsible for this war. We didn’t want to be separated but didn’t have any choice.
I am from Pakistan and agree with your narrative. ROLE OF BHUTTO IN RESPECT OF BREAK UP OF PAKISTAN
As per Orya Naqbool Jan, Bhutto declared his agenda that he would manage the fight between Mujeeb and Yahya and then between Yahya and Indra. He WAS successful
Bhutto narrative was
1 He uttered the slogan here we there you ( In West Pakistan Bhutto and in East Pakistan Mujeeb)
2) The Constitution formulated by one Province ( East Pakistan) cannot be accepted for the entire country
3 If west Pakistan has ruled over east Pakistan for 24 years, it does not mean that now east Pakistan has ruling Govt over West Pakistan.
4) Legs shall be broken who proceeds to Dhaka to attend Assembly secession scheduled on 03-03-1971.
5 No central Govt shall be accepted without the Participation of PPP
6 On 25TH 1971, when operation search light was launched, he declared thanks God Pakistan has been saved,
7 During General Assembly secession, he tore out Poland resolution that was fantastic remedy viz a) immediate ceasefire 2) Forces of both the countries should retain 3rd December 1971 position 3) Rule of country be handed over democratically to Public representatives
Then meet again with pakistan
@@rajunimbalkar9168 I am from Pakistan and very clear that Bangladesh is a separate country and till the dawn of resurrection, no possibility of amalgamation with my country, and would remain captivated and servitude of your country.
Qaeazam was not interested in east Pakistan
But molve fazal huq begged qae deazam for east Pakistan 🇵🇰
Bkz he knwe that india will dominate purbo pakitstan and make slaves to bengal8s
Then qae de azam accepted east pakistan 🇵🇰
High time to change the narrative and how Pakistanis frame it. It was the Rise of Bangladesh and fall of Two Nation Theory.
Geographical distance was not reason of separation of east pakistan. East Bengal was muslim majority country. Do you know budget of pakistan from 1947 to 1971? In India there was no language problem. Language problem created by Jinnah Khaja Nazimuddin and Liaqut ali Khan. Please mention genocide of Bengali peoples started by Pakistan army from march71 to surrendering of pakistan army in 16/12/71. Why pakistan started war in western border in India and west Pakistan?
ITS NOT FALL OF DHAKA. BUT ,LIBERATION OF DHAKA. WAKE UP!
کہتے ہیں ایک پڑھے لکھے بندے کی باتیں سننا سو کتابیں پڑھنے سے بہتر ہوتا ہے
Just imagine. This all is happening in KP and Balochistan now. Both have been aloof for terrorism and political game at play. Still Pakistan didn't learn from her past.
Nice Video but why no civilian in west pakistan protest for the genocide in Bengal ?
“All failures are covered. The biggest failure that is not covered is the failure of mind-the failure of Muslim mind. Once the Evil idea was promoted, the idea was taken for granted that the idea was the most brilliant idea of the 20th century. Punjab was partitioned. Bengal was amputated. Kashmir was cut in half. Yet, more Muslims ended up living in India. Once a “pitiful truncated” vulgarity was created, the devils couldn’t figure out how to run an Evil state. They still can’t. The guest needs to change his dietary habits before he puts on his western clothes.
Pakistan Zindabad. ❤🇵🇰
Bhatto discuse , 6 point . He said we agree 5 .5 point .. but failed to accept. Bhatto was not agree to have a Assembly at DACCA 😢😮😅😊😊😅😮😢😢😮😅😊😊😅😮
How it is possible that a leader from colonial part would be a prime minister of Pakistan. The relationship between Pakistan and East bengal was like as owner and slave Boss and servant. Colony can't be a part of Pakistan. From first day people of East bengal was treated as 3rd class people and burden of Pakistan
INDIAN AGENT
@@abdulmajadjahangir9225 it's a delusional disordered character of Pakistan. It is called Doghlapan means double face of Pakistan. Still Pakistan living with denial mindset with conspiracy mentality. When ever truth come to the face of Pakistani people then they always use the easy target like neighbours country but they never try to look their inside what they did against people of East bengal from 1947 to 1971. Thanks almighty Bangladesh has been saved from hybrid colonised regime of Pakistan in 1971. Otherwise Bangladesh would have been situation like as baluchistan or Afghanistan. The relationship between Pakistan and East bengal was like as owner and slave Boss and servant . This types of people never taken a lesson from past cut of Pakistan. Now Bangladesh become as a welfare and progressive state but Pakistan became as a leaderless visionless self-destructive hopeless martial race nation. It is neither a Islamic nor a Democratic country and its a legacy of British Colonial setup like as punjabi ruling elites jaghirdar General's and judiciary and establishments of Pakistan and this all are created by British colonialism and preserve by Pakistan
Yes , bhatto and Yahyya were good friends .. 😢😮😮😅😊😊😅😮
Professor seems strongly biased on the issue, wherever the Pakistani establishment was at fault professor sab express it as 'badkismati'. He seem to have strong conviction about two nation theory, mostly the Pakistanis spent more time to justify it that to have a neutral review.
You cannot find a more neutral analysis on this issue... Nowhere did he whitewash the forces or patronize the Operation searchlight... But he also did not exaggerate the events and discussed them in context... Only a fool would do otherwise... He called it "Badkismati" because yes, it's the most tragic event of Pakistan's history... That's a lamenting expression... The professor is a veteran and an honest historian...He attributed faults as they were, without any exaggeration or downplaying... It's you Indian people who are so used to media exaggeration and sensationalism, that a neutral analysis comes out to u as biased... And why are u offended anyways... It's the Begalis and Pakistan that should judge what is right and what is not... You stay out of it.... Your country was wrong anyways...
تاریخ لکھنے/بیان کرنے والوں
اور
متاثرین، مجاہدین، شہیدان، محصورین پاکستان، حب الوطنی کی تاریخ بنانے والے مجاہدین بہار میں زمین آسمان کا فرق ہے
وضاحت
پاکستان کے مجاہدین۔۔۔ بنگلہ دیش(سابقہ مشرقی پاکستان) میں انتہائی کسمپرسی میں بنام "محصورین پاکستان" زندگی گزار رہے ہیں اور ملک پاکستان میں وڈیو بناتے ہوئے ان کی قربانیوں کا ذکر تک نہیں کرتے
His mindset shows why Pakistanis got defeated by india in 71. To make bhutto pm of pakistan there was only one way that is leaving east pak as war loss.
Shekh sab said , no body shud play with fire
Mufti Bani were Bengoli ., there headquarter was AGARTILLA .😅😮😢
English language was state language in 1947. Bengali was language of 56% Peoples of pakistan.
غازی ایم عبداللہ بالکل اسی طرح مشرقی پاکستان کےسانحہ کا رٹا رٹایا ریاستی بینایہ بیان کررہے ہیں جس میں کوئی نئی بات نہیں ۔۔میں دو بار بنگلہ دیش گیا اور وہاں بہت سے مفکرین اور عام لوگوں سے بھی ملا تو ان کی پاکستان سے نفرت کی وجہ بھی معلوم ہوئی جو یقینی سچ پر ہے ۔غازی عبداللہ کیوں نہیں کہتے کہ بنگہ دیش تو اس دن بن گیا تھا جب بنگالیوں پر اردو زبان کا جبری نفاذ کیا گیا تھا ۔ایسا محسوس ہوتاہے کہ موصوف کا تعلق صوبہ بہار سے ہے جو ایک مخصوص تنگ نظری ور سوچ کے حامل ہیں اور پاکستان کے تعلیمی اور تاریخی نصاب کو جھوٹ کی آمیزیش سے پیش کیا ہے ۔۔دونوں ممالک کے ثقافتی بنیادوں میں بڑا فرق ہے
So informative ,proud to be student of sir Ghazi Abdullah❤
No Pakistani has ever answered:-
If Hindus and Muslims couldn't live together, why did they leave 3 crore Muslims in India? Pakistanis should not complain on the issues with Muslims in India, if any.
Now it is three nation
Karachi ke sehra ko ko Urdu speaking ney sabzazar bana AJ Karachi ko bhi tabahi ker diya he Pakistan ke Punjabi aur Sindhi jagir dar aur waderion ney maximum Urdu speaking khadani aur educated loog Pakistan chohrd chukey hain
Please get rid of the popping sound, it's extremely annoying. Spoils the discussion, because it breaks the concentration.
You hav e. not blamed Mr. Bhutto and Yahya at all.What would be the objective of the crackdown? It could not. have dstroyed the results of 1970 elections. So where would Tikka stop? The punjabis chose to surrender before Hindus and Shikhs but did not compromise with Bengalis. They were such knaves and are still not repentant.If they had the least appreciation of Mr. Jinnah ' s genius they would restrain themselves. If they were kept under civilian command,which the British strongly prescribed, Pakistan would still remain united.Bhutto,Yahya.,Tikka and Khhadim are solely responsible and nobody else.Punjab intelligentia did not condemn the genocide.
Has been a honest talk saw but I must dispute about the number of bangalis was killed by Pak armies and 3 million or 30 lakhs+ is the true figure which has been acknowledged by BBC, Mascarenhas and someone else whose name right now not on the top of head. So please withdraw n rectify your statement about that figure. Salam from Cambridge n Dhaka, Bangldesh
Mess was created by Ayub and Yahya
Mr. Professor,Now I thank you when you say fauj awam ki sathe larte nehi sekte.How can a rapacious army bag support from its citizens?
Situation had been contaminated already when Niazi was in charge
Andaman and Nikobar island is part of India . Distance from India is more than distance of east and west pakistan.
we learnt nothing from history, All events are being repeated in Balochistan and KP….
Yei pakistani bangali ko kala chota or be bohot kuch bolta ta
Pakistan 1 Aisi dulhan hai jo 1 raat USA ke saath soti hai,,agli rat cheen ke saath ,,firr England ke saath ,,,iss tarah ye Shohar badlati rehti hai,,Ham Bangladeshiyo ko iss tarike se rehna pasand nahi thha
Allah was a Bengali 😂😂😂😂😂
Yayah was the main culprit
Apki mukti bahini ki bariymay juta bayan.bah.kiska dalal aap.
Could have been negotiated separation than we would not have been lifetime indebted to India.
Bhutto me iqtedar Ke khatir milk good dia
your language...Urdu....amazing...
6 point only came about long after 65 war
True true true
Sab jab tujhe pata hy phir unhe kiu bulaya?
😅😅😅😅93000 surrender army
Thanks for the much logical and realistic version of 1971 conflict and Independence War of Bangladesh. However, it would be great to focus on another area that is missing in this conversation. A large number of Bengali armed forces officers had started the armed struggle along with a good number of Bengali soldiers. That is the key success factor for the muktibahini and it was easier to accommodate civilian fighters under their command. There were 11 war sectors all headed by ex pak military officers and fought against Pakistan.
on indian shoulders . with shameful.act
So informative 😍👍🏻
Very insightful podcast. Thoroughly enjoyed it
Sir has a great personality, n has a grip on his expertise.
Can the host please stop saying "true" after every sentence that comes out of the guest's mouth?
Constantly listening to the guy's "true" is annoying. Truly annoying.
#True
Great job and fact based analysis of the situation.
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Very good sir❤
مکتی بہانی آخر میں مجیب میں وڑ گئ تھی۔جنرل ضیاء الرحمن بھی مکتی بہانی تھا
Great discussion sir
Great 👍
Good
Excellent and comprehensive presentation
I agree. Unnatural Allan aces are bound to breakdown. The speaker here is twisting facts which is a sad thing - Pakistanis have not learnt even after 50 years that they should stop twisting facts.
Born to lose
Informative ❤
Nice
One of the best professors I have ever met
❤❤❤❤❤
بنگلہ دیش اس دن ہی بن گیا تھا جس دن بنگالی کو سرکاری زبان کا مطالبہ کیا گیا۔۔۔غیر قدرتی دو ملک ایک ملک بناٰئے گے۔۔۔ایک نہ ایک دن بنگلہ دیش بننا تھا
♥️🇧🇩🇵🇰 Come visit Bangladesh, see the natural beauty of Bangladesh, we Muslim brothers want to unite, Pakistan
Imran Khan is the most popular leader in Bangladesh.
Pakistan roared with Imran Khan Zindabad slogans.
Long live Imran Khan.
"Long Live Imran Khan"
I respect Imran Khan for his integrity and ethics!
Imran is a great international soldier of the Muslim Ummah. He was an honest, sincere, honorable and truly international Muslim warrior. He is the leader of leaders, the captain of captains and the hero of heroes!
Not everyone can fight to the end. Someone is defeated; No one accepts defeat. Some give up and stand in silence. Others succumb to the glamor of the good life and deceive themselves into invisibility.
Those who win the battle or lose with a straight spine do not bow anywhere;
Life is essentially theirs. Effort is the key to success.
I hope he comes back again. In-sha-Allah will become the Prime Minister again after winning the majority of seats to represent the Prime Minister in the National Assembly of Pakistan.
"Imran Khan Zindabad Love for Imran Khan.
Do not be afraid Imran Khan!
Human life is more dramatic than drama, Imran Khan Zindabad ♥️♥️♥️
Abdullah shah ki mazar pe ek bori ek laakh rupiya ki deg utragee. Masham Allah. Hum chain se Marr to sakengey..
Neither Mujeeb nor Bhutto was responsible for deviding country. Now we know Duffers Pendoes Chokidars & Dallal Judges were responsible. As we see what Duffers doing now with PTI and Baloch people.