E195: Edwin Rynveld and Siltech's Master Crown Cables

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  • Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2024

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  • @theaudioanalyst
    @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад

    --- UPDATE: RETRACTION OF FALSE CLAIMS MADE AGAINST SILTECH FROM @mickgrc
    - Link to original thread here - ruclips.net/video/XOZTrnIlwxk/видео.html&lc=UgwQ8QjJT1W38QfWBjR4AaABAg
    On Wed, 23 Oct 2024 at 23:32, Gabi Rynveld | International Audio Holding BV wrote:
    For Michael - @mickgrc
    It has been two weeks now, and you still have not offered ANY proof of your false assertion that Siltech monocrystal cables are not, in fact, what they claim to be.
    Further, you then change your accusation by admitting that what you tested were not even Siltech cables, but were in fact some generalized products that you claim to be from the Crystal Cable product lineup. So why the change in your story? Are you confused?
    And you either don't know or are unwilling to offer a valid model number, any details on the testing methods you used, or offer ANY results of the purported tests you did on some unidentified Crystal Cable products. Yet you feel you can claim that Siltech cables are definitely not mono-crystal. We can and do certify that they are.
    The time has come for you to support your claims, or to recant your unsubstantiated statement. Show us what product you tested - specifically, make, model, and serial number to corroborate that what you tested was a verified authentic Crystal Cable mono crystal model, NOT some lookalike or knock-off, and provide us with the equipment you used, who did the testing, what test devices were used, and when this testing was done.
    Finally, we will need to see your photos and measurements used to support your otherwise unsubstantiated claims. Failure to do so - OR - to publicly recant your unsubstantiated claim that Siltech Monocrystal cables are NOT what they say they are, and you will be hearing from our legal team.
    You have the time until Thursday, October 31st, 2024.

    We await your response.
    Gabi
    Rynveld
    PR Sales Marketing
    T: +31 481 374 783
    International Audio Holding B.V. Edisonweg 8, 6662 NW Elst, The Netherlands
    --- RESPONSE FROM Michael - @mickgrc, which was sent just 5 1/2 hours after receiving her post.
    Date: Thursday, 24 October 2024 at 04:52
    To: Gabi Rynveld | International Audio Holding BV
    Subject: Re: The Audio Analyst - E194: Edwin Rynveld and Siltech's Master Crown Cables
    For Mrs. Gabi Rynveld
    Public Apology Regarding Counterfeit Audio Cables Testing
    To the public, Siltech, Crystal Cables, the Audio Analyst and all concerned,
    I am writing to express my deepest apologies regarding my statements regarding metallurgical tests I conducted on what were thought to be genuine Crystal Cable products. It was in fact revealed that the cables were counterfeit copies and not the original products as I initially believed they were.
    Yesterday, I was finally able to trace the provenance of these cables and discovered that they had been obtained years ago from eBay and, after changing hands 3 times, found their way to me as genuine bargains. When I conclusively found out that these cables were not genuine Crystal Cables, I was shocked and deeply embarrassed. The fact that these counterfeit items ended up in my possession, leading to mistaken assumptions during testing, is something I truly regret.
    I feel compelled to offer a sincere and heartfelt apology for any confusion or frustration this discovery may have caused.
    I have tried to post the above to the RUclips the audio analysy channel but I have been apparently blocked.

  • @EPA00001
    @EPA00001 Месяц назад +2

    Another great video Greg, so informative. Thank you. You are a lucky man to really experience this cable line and to be able to review it in your highly respected professional way. Looking forward to the follow-up video. 👍

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад +1

      Thank you for your kind words...and for both following the channel, and taking the time to write! 😊

  • @marcus1970
    @marcus1970 Месяц назад +1

    Audio Precision may well be some of the very finest measurement tools but as alluded to it doesn't measure the emotional connection that hi-fi and the recording can provide.
    I don't know that a sine wave makes great listening for anyone but music does for many.
    Perhaps a smile or a tear means more than a sine wave to a human!
    Really great conversation. 👍🏻

  • @adsph
    @adsph Месяц назад +1

    Thanks Greg for sharing this content. I always learn more on how HiFi is much more than it would appear.

  • @SCAudiophile
    @SCAudiophile Месяц назад +5

    Beautifully built cables and connectors, and I definitely would love to hear them!
    A four cable loom at > $380K USD,......sorry to say, this is further proof that prices in this hobby are on full tilt insanity. This is not a shot at Siltech,...just one more datapoint among many in the cable, component, and speaker markets where prices are beyond justifiable.

    • @carlosoliveira-rc2xt
      @carlosoliveira-rc2xt Месяц назад

      You know that they make cheaper cables. You must be aware there are 5 million dollar cars?

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад +3

      While I can understand your incredulity at such pricing, surely you aren’t suggesting that there is anything wrong with pursuing excellence, regardless of what it may cost.
      The U.S. Space program that resulted in the moon landing in 1969 came at an enormous cost. From 1960 to 1973, the US federal government invested $25.8 billion into Project Apollo, which is about $320 billion in 2024 dollars. That comes out to something like $1,750 per person in the US at the time!
      But look at all the direct benefits that have come from it over the past decades. Inventions developed for space have often been adapted for, or spawned the creation of new products or processed used on Earth, and have improved many aspects of life, including health, transportation, public safety, and consumer products.
      Now, I’m not suggesting that there will be such advances to humanity from the development of such audio products, but as Edwin suggests in his closing statement, this understanding and advance _will_ trickle down to other cable designs.
      Surely you are aware of other such extravagant accomplishments, in other areas. Take the Bugatti La Voiture Noire, with an approximate cost of £14.1 million or $18.7 million. ruclips.net/video/XYQEUVl-8ZA/видео.html While it can easily be argued that no one _needs_ such a vehicle, how can you possibly argue that no one should pursue the creation of such an exceptional automobile, or that if someone has the disposable income to afford one, they shouldn’t have one?
      This is a perfect example of a double-edged sword and one that I don’t understand at all. Simply because you cannot, or choose not, to afford such items, doesn’t invalidate their development or existence.

    • @SCAudiophile
      @SCAudiophile Месяц назад +1

      ​@carlosoliveira-rc2xt yes, I am aware that they make excellent, less expensive cables at various price points, not less quality, and are an excellent manufacturer. I am also aware of the excellent sounding systems in home and at shows that I have heard with their cables.
      Yes, there are $5M automobiles and also those at higher prices. That fact, however, has nothing to do with audio cables or this hobby.

    • @SCAudiophile
      @SCAudiophile Месяц назад +1

      ​@theaudioanalyst Greg, I did not in any way suggest or argue the things that your post attempts to assert or imply. My only (obviously contentious) point is an objection to prices that seem to be going up without bounds in this hobby, not NASA missions and accomplishments, not uber luxury performance automobiles or anything else outside the audio hobby frame of reference. I expect many people (including you and Carlos here, obviously) to disagree with this and have an opposite viewpoint, which I respect you and others for having. Furthermore, I also complimented the cables, connectors, and Siltech in another post here and also on forums in the past, and stated I would love to hear this model (at any price) to see what they bring to an already performant system. I am not a cable denier; I have heard and believe that they make a very big and essential difference. My entire cable loom (many more elements) is in the stated range so I'm clearly a bit nuts about chasing the dragon as well; I simply have different opinions than some about the trajectory of single item prices overall in the hobby. Disagreements are healthy, and I am wrong frequently, daily, in fact. Have a good day, and I hope that you all enjoy the music!

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад

      @@SCAudiophile Again, I can accept your choice AND position. It was your closing statement, "...where prices are beyond justifiable." that I was responding to.
      Your premise _seems_ to be outrage at price alone, with no consideration given to the results... Beyond that, you surely understand that there was no animus directed toward you or your position. I was merely defending the premise...nothing more! 😉

  • @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy
    @TerryClarkAccordioncrazy Месяц назад +1

    The bit that confuses me is that the recording studio will have passed the signal through multiple runs of fairly standard professional audio cables.

    • @LM42
      @LM42 Месяц назад

      Can't add to what isn't there, had a person buying interconnect cables from maplin 😂 for a well known recording studio, only place that was open Friday night

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад +3

      How is that confusing... That fact that it has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about is the only thing that should be confusing...
      In the case of the LP, the source, in this case, the final LP pressing being played back on our turntable, is what it is, regardless of what cables - or whatever other components and electronics for that matter - were used to master, cut, and press it. NOTHING after it is stamped and on your turntable can improve upon its best possible sound…
      But what you don’t understand is that it is the process of extracting everything that is cut into that LP that makes the difference.
      Consider birdwatching a Robin in a tree in your backyard with DIFFERENT binoculars, an analogy to playing back the same LP with different cabling - or any component for that matter.
      Watching that bird using a pair of $40 TASCO 7x35 binoculars will allow you to readily see more than your bare eyes, and to see that it IS a Robin, revealing much of its individual detail, like its individual characteristics and plumage features…
      Moving to a set of $250 Bushnell Marine 7x50 Illumin Compass Binoculars, a very common high-quality set of birding binoculars, with considerably more attention paid to the quality of the glass and grinding of the lenses, tighter tolerances in assembly and interaction, and with the use of chemical coating on the lenses to reduce glare and lower the light lost through transmission, will allow you to see more relevant differences in EVERYTHING about that very same Robin, offering both a brighter and sharper image, with a better ability to express a wider, more faithful range of color hues and differences in patterning, and more clearly exposing bill, eye, and head features, etc.
      Yet, switching to a $10,000 pair of Zeiss 20x60 binoculars, which maximize EVERY CONSIDERATION in the construction of a fine set of optical binoculars will advance all those characteristics further yet… Not only will they offer greater magnification, but they also offer an enhanced ability to more clearly render color variation, feather patterns, and every possible detail about the Robin under examination.
      While the Robbin (our LP) NEVER changed, our ability to have a clearer, more faithful representation of it CAN be shown to be improved by changing the quality of the binoculars (cables) used to view (listen to) it. You really shouldn’t speak out on matters of which you have no understanding…

    • @LM42
      @LM42 Месяц назад

      @theaudioanalyst how about binoculars, being used on a very foggy day ? Can't add what you can't see...

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад +1

      @@LM42 Are you _really_ that stupid? Your inference has absolutely NO bearing on the matter... The record IS what it IS. The only fog that exists is in your thinking...

    • @LM42
      @LM42 Месяц назад

      @theaudioanalyst did i touch a raw nerve ? Bet in blind testing you could not tell the difference, as for being stupid, carry on, and you won't have to prove any more that you are, if you want an opinion, I will give you one, sit down and shut up

  • @henryradtka5480
    @henryradtka5480 Месяц назад +1

    I’m a firm believer that cables make a difference in your system. 5 years ago I bought one of the Masterbuilt signature power cords. Man! After about two weeks of breaking it in, soundstage, image and bass really opened up. See you Greg in a few weeks at CAF.

    • @dazasc3994
      @dazasc3994 Месяц назад +1

      you broke in a power cable? God this shit is so cringy.

    • @jamesrindley6215
      @jamesrindley6215 Месяц назад

      Power cords make no difference to the performance of audio equipment. There is also no such thing as "break in" of cables. There is no mechanism by which such a thing could occur and measurements would show identical conductivity and insulation behavior. Even if there was some miniscule change in the power cord over time, this would not change the sound. The audio signal does not pass through the power cord. Any difference you perceive is all in your imagination.

  • @Rockapotamus91
    @Rockapotamus91 Месяц назад +2

    Funny that he’s a cable obsessive but uses the cheap stock cable on his HD650 headphones

  • @martinolesen9930
    @martinolesen9930 Месяц назад +5

    Snake oil extravaganza! ......"mono crystal"......"gold to fill micro craks in the structure".....jesus crist....seriously?

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад +4

      Um, yes, _seriously_ ! To turn your expletive phrase back on you, for “Christ's sake,” do some research on the subject matter like Single Crystal, or Mono Crystal metals ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_crystal ) and microcracks in metal lattice structures ( www.sciencedirect.com/topics/materials-science/microcracks ). Both are completely real and valid considerations in the physics of electronic current conductivity. If you bothered to try to understand before you threw your little fit you wouldn't be stammering and saying such stupid things and exposing yourself to be so completely uninformed and ignorant of the matters you _think_ you understand, yet actually have no business commenting on.

    • @SCAudiophile
      @SCAudiophile Месяц назад

      This is legitimate high-end metallurgy and has direct benefits regarding conductivity and other attributes that affect sonics.

    • @052RC
      @052RC Месяц назад

      @@theaudioanalyst You can't let these clowns get to you. There's one thing you have to realize. The cable debate has never been about cables. Its about emotions. When you evaluate something, you just want the truth. The cable deniers don't WANT the cables to make a difference. You can't compete with that. If they really wanted the truth, they could have settled the matter decades ago. It doesn't matter how good your argument is, or what facts you bring to the discussion. They simply won't consider it.
      There's nothing with being skeptical. We all are in the beginning. If you buy expensive cables, or anything else for that matter, without verifying to see if there's a difference worth paying for, then you're an idiot. I'm fortune enough to have a nice audio system that most people would consider expensive, including the cables. If someone new to high end audio saw my system and went out and bought the exact same thing, they would be a fool, and I don't have to explain why.
      If you look at the other posts, one of them called you a coward in the name of science. I asked him to reference a single test or evaluation where the scientific method was applied on any piece of audio equipment ever made, not just cables. Lets see what he comes up with.

    • @JD-mm4ub
      @JD-mm4ub Месяц назад +1

      @@theaudioanalystBravo!

  • @mickgrc
    @mickgrc Месяц назад +1

    I have personally analysed a 'monocrystal' SIltech conductor at a world class metallurgical laboratory. It is definitely not a monocrystal! I t has a very fine grain structure, close to nanocrystaline. Anybody can do this test. It's unbelievable that the company says it's a monocrystal conductor. Monocrystals are extremely expensive to produce and the methods are well documented.

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад

      LOL, of course you have! And of course anyone can do it...in their kitchen, right! What a moronic, nonsensical claim...
      So, what lab was this done in, where is it located, how did YOU have the ability to use that lab, and how much did the access cost? Be careful here, this Can be checked out.
      And more importantly, since the Master Crown cables are the only models that they have made claim to be monocrystal, and since they are _barely_ in production as of this writing, WHERE did you get one? What model was it? How did you acquire it, and at what cost? Be careful here, this CAN be checked out.
      The likelihood that you have actually done this is SO PREPOSTEROUS that I dare you to even try to defend your statements...

    • @mickgrc
      @mickgrc Месяц назад

      @@theaudioanalyst I am dead serious, this is an ISO certified lab,I can contact you privately and pass you all this. It is definitely not moronic and nonsensical!!!!

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад

      @@mickgrc Sorry, that is not how it works. You've made these preposterous claims HERE, so put up or shut up. Post this "evidence" here to substantiate your otherwise baseless claim, or we will _all_ know just how bogus your statement is.

    • @mickgrc
      @mickgrc Месяц назад

      @@theaudioanalyst I just sent you email on your site.

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад

      ​@@mickgrc Ok, so as I said, this is _not_ how this will work. You cannot make PUBLIC accusations, then slink off behind the scenes to try to support your insulting and possibly slanderous accusations...
      ALL - below is the email that @mickgrc (email address - michael758@gmail.com) sent me to at 6:28 PM last night, October 8th), sent to defend his accusations...
      By the way, the REAL ISSUE is revealed about two thirds of the way through his response. Guess what? He makes his own "silver wires" that, of course, are "...actually much better than Siltech/CrystalCable." What a joke...
      Again, I must point out that he completely ignores the reality that the first Monocrystal Cables from Siltech, the Master Crown cables, have JUST BARELY started their production runs and are beginning to ship. To that end, he cannot substantiate how he acquired one, let alone that he has in fact even done so. Nor does he provide ANY real info that supports his accusations against Siltech. I have forwarded this info on to Edwin Rynveld and the Siltech team for comment...
      Hello Greg,
      This is Michael, the person who commented on the 'monocrystal' Siltech's real grain structure.
      I happen to actually own a fully equipped and certified metallurgical laboratory, part of a stock market listed industrial business.
      Being an avid highender I have bought Siltechs and CrystalCables for my system and I could not hold
      myself.I had to put them under a microscope, as when I researched the ways to produce monocrystal silver
      I realised that this was probably not the case with these cables. We are talking extremely low production rates
      for a continuous cast wire, some few centimeters per hour, and other big difficulties.
      So I sent some pieces of them to the lab and had a couple of world class metallurgists look at the results. Not that it was really needed.
      It was obvious. this is DEFINITELY not a monocrystal conductor.
      And dont get me wrong: it sounds wonderful!
      So, I have known this for some time, and, OK, I respect their work and their products, but this is going a bit too
      far, all these stories and theories around monocrystal etc.
      I am being very frank, This time watching this video on your excellent channel I could not hold myself.
      So, all data, pics, signed reports if you like, by world-class metallurgists are available.
      _HERE IS THE REAL ISSUE_
      I can also send you my silver wires, developed in the last couple of years as a hobby-turned-startup,
      actually much better than Siltech/CrystalCable.
      But this is another story.
      In case you want more info be sure that I am a cool and straight person and contact me.
      It would be an honour to have a chat on the phone.
      Congratulations again for your site,
      All the best,
      Michael S.
      PS I am not writing my full surname as I have met Erwyn as an admirer in the past and I really do not want to create a mess out of this.
      Do ANY of you believe this nonsense?

  • @dazasc3994
    @dazasc3994 Месяц назад +1

    silly old men with more money than sense. I have some stupidly expensive Transparent Audio cables I got for free, absolutely no difference to the most basic lamp cord.

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад +1

      LOL... If you honestly are able to accept that basic 18 gauge, tough-pitch copper, bare, stranded wire, “lamp cord” as you correctly label it, sounds _anything_ like even the least expensive cables from any established audio cable company, then one of three realities would seem to be at play.
      First, you’ve been utterly brainwashed into ignoring your own empirical experience and have chosen rather to buy into the whole “all cables sound the same” conspiracy, which is just as foolish to believe in as the “Flat Earth” ignorance. Second, perhaps you have not yet acquired the listening acuity to recognize the often-significant distinctions between cables of differing constructions. Or finally, there is the possibility that your system’s synergy doesn't offer the resolution necessary to reveal such demonstrable and nuanced differences.

    • @edwardbit8225
      @edwardbit8225 Месяц назад

      @@theaudioanalyst lots of words, flowery words, verbiage,but no data nor measurements...not a shred..now thats FLAT EARTH.

    • @052RC
      @052RC Месяц назад

      @@edwardbit8225 What data and measurements would you need to see? If you have some information that can help us make better choices, please share it.

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад

      @@edwardbit8225 LOL, are you really this shallow and vacuous? Do you even understand what tough-pitch copper is and what it means? Yeah, I thought as much. PLEASE just go waste your time somewhere like Audioholic's, where reality is spurned for the sake of dogma...like your own!

  • @edwardbit8225
    @edwardbit8225 Месяц назад +1

    Hi Audio Analyst...Why not send a set of these cables to Amir at Audio Science Review for testing? That would settle any issues

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад +2

      What you seem to have misunderstood is that there are no _issues_ that require settling...

    • @edwardbit8225
      @edwardbit8225 Месяц назад

      @@theaudioanalyst are you serious? Where are the tests? sinad,noise FR etc? If this cable is so good it will show it in tests, it has to..

    • @edwardbit8225
      @edwardbit8225 Месяц назад

      @@theaudioanalyst COWARD.

    • @theaudioanalyst
      @theaudioanalyst  Месяц назад

      @@edwardbit8225 First of all, I don't have any reason to send the cables to anyone, for any reason. I don't make or own them. And to be honest, I couldn't care less... But, LOL... to drop down to your level, I'll call you a moron! 🤣😉😇 See, I can waste time calling people names too. Does it prove anything? Of course not... Keep up your idiotic rants and your posts will be removed... If you aren't interested in what is being shared here at this channel, just move along. This clearly isn't a channel for you....

    • @052RC
      @052RC Месяц назад

      Coward? Lets see what you are. Can you reference 1 video done by ASR where he actually used real science in his evaluation, not junk science? Remember, science is his middle name. If you can't find any science on ASR's channel (And you won't be able to because I already called him out on that, and proved it. So, he deletes all of my posts the second he sees them.), can you reference any type of test or evaluation, done by a credible source, that used real science, not junk science, on any piece of audio equipment ever made? Not just cables. Anything.
      I already know what your response is going to be. You have 3 options, but I'm willing to bet that you're the coward, and will only consider 2 of the 3. 1. You'll stop posting and quietly go away. 2. You'll talk in circles, say nothing, and pretend you don't understand. 3. Admit that you can't reference a single test where the scientific method was actually used and documented on any piece of audio equipment ever made. You'll never have the courage to go with option 3.