vinnie drank himself dead, dime was doing the same... by the time of his death he looked bloated and sick like another guy whose love for alchol was is demise, Warrel Dane.
@@Jerry_Gallo photos of dimebag before his death his fingers looked like sausages sign of liver and kidneys not working as they should if not shot he probably would’ve died like his brother infortanetly
I saw Pantera and actually they showed up at a bar and it was my birthday and I got to party with them and they all signed autographs for me and Dimes was the coolest he wrote happy birthday 1 time MF…. Fast forward to Hellyeah days I saw them several wand at each show they came out other venue to fans waiting and took pictures and signed autographs and I was lucky enough to catch Vinnie Paul’s last drumstick he threw out to the crowd in Kentucky and I still have my autographs, the guitar pick that Dime personally gave me and the drumstick that I caught from Vinnie…. Hands down they were class acts metal heads and they loved their fans.
i saw them. Vinnie is rough on Phil in all these interviews. He wasn't in a good place around 2001 tours you could see. Still performed well but could tell he was in pure pain and misery but soldiered on. You could tell Vinnie was cranky as phuck and angry though.
@@thedude4672he didn't blame dime. He was a psychopath who believed pantera was stealing his music, he didn't blame dime for pantera disbanding, he was delusional and he just hated them
I’ve seen almost all the great and legendary drummers…Bonham, Watts, Palmer, Bruford, Chambers, Aldridge, and dozens more. But none more important to me than seeing Vinnie with Hellyeah. When he walked onstage, twirling his sticks and laughing, my son was pointing at him with his jaw on the floor, basically speechless. Amazing privilege to see him play live.
A lot of people on here, commenting that this was a Pantera tour. I have seen Pantera twice, the real Pantera, in 1997, and again in 2001 both times Phil was a raging lunatic on stage, demanding perfection from the crowd, as well as drug induced shit talking of things that I will not repeat here. I also saw Pantera at a “reunion “show” and I will say this much, it was the best I have ever heard Phil‘s voice, and the best live show. I have seen him perform of the three. Sobriety is a good thing, and in the end, this was not Phil and Rex trying to be Pantera, but it was a tribute to the past, and a tribute to the band. Every song was played as it was on the albums, with very little live ad Lib. It was very very fitting. And I think a lot of people get it wrong when they call this a tour, but it is a tribute to the band and its legacy. I choose no sides in what happened, because I have no dog in the fight other than I was a fan. I had my opinions of Phil, but I liked the music. The reunion, for lack of a better term, is pretty much just a tribute to the bands, former glory and should be treated as in my opinion. But as far as the shit talking in the press? I have a guitar world magazine, where dime was talking shit on Pat, and that he was a terrible singer, and at least Phil could “make him money.”
Yeah this is a bit of a stretch considering Phil was doing interviews calling for the death of Dimebag and Vinnie, among all the other horrible shit he said. I don’t know what you’re going for here, but this ain’t it brother
2:45 truer words have never been spoken. Then once the Abbott bros passed away, Phil came back and steamed ahead with new members. That is why I can't bring myself to go see the current lineup, whether Zakk and Dime were buds or not - it just ain't right.
What kills me about it is all the so-called "friends" of Dime and Vinnie lying through their teeth about how the brothers are happy looking down on this farce of a "tribute." The only motherfucker being honest about it is Chad Gray. Everybody else is just spewing out false bullshit. I will NEVER accept this cover band as the real Pantera.
I kinda feel the same way. Led Zep broke up after John passed, but at least they knew there could never be another Led Zep afterwards. However they did a show with Jason doing his Dads drum parts. I can forgive that. But the new Pantera IDK
that's what i hate most people who r seeing them don't understand. vinnie felt betrayal from what phil did, and then to lose his brother and then phil wants to come back around?? that was why he never forgave him. not saying not forgiving was the best choice, but i get why he didn't and held it against him until he died. but now that he's dead, phil does this move where vinnie can't speak out on it anymore? why didn't he do it when he was still alive? 🤔 just something to think about
I still remember the day we lost dimebag. It was my birthday and I was in art school.. was supposed to be working on my project on photoshop but decided to go on the kerrang website and the news hit me like a tone of bricks! Im still in shock that dime is no longer with us because of some dumbf**k scumbag. RIP abbot brothers ❤ Gone too soon but left a mark where youll be remembered forever. 😢
That a hole at the damage plan gig destroyed any chance of a reconciliation...seen them live twice in Dublin. Once supporting Megadeath and then headlining their own gig...( Still have one of Rex's plec's) ....Rip to Vinnie and Dime 🤘
Between Pantera and Metallica, it seems like it is almost impossible to put together a rock band that makes it big that is not totally dysfunctional internally. Oasis, Van Halen or many others. Possibly just human nature. Possibly sex, drugs and money. Who knows?
It really just comes down to personalities,. IMO anyway. And personalities can clash, explode. Being in a band is one of the hardest things anyone can do. Decisions about money, music, band direction etc.. can easily cause tension. It’s like going into business with 4-5 of your closest friends.
There are a couple that come to mind that figured out how to keep it together, R.E.M., Radiohead, Pearl Jam. But yeah for Hard Rock/Metal it's much tougher. I think that lifestyle is just so destructive, really burning the candle at both ends. People flame out
Res Hot Chili Peppers seem to all get along pretty well. Anthony and Flea have been best friends for almost fifty years, Chad has been the drummer for 36 years, John has been the only inconsistent member, and that's just because he doesn't really deal with the fame very well. They might all have their own personal demons and questionable history, but they're one of the only huge rock bands I can think of that have all been friends for 35+ years.
@@TheOfficialCaseMade Good point w RHCP. 311 knew each other as kids and are still together also. I have long time friends (30+ years) but we never had to work together and go on tour in a bus together. When you only get together every 6 months to drink a couple beers and eat some hot wings, it's easy to stay friends. Living on a tour bus for a year traveling the country, we'd probably kill each other. LOL!
Phil talked shit about Pantera until the bodies were cold, then he rang the Pantera cash register once again. Thanks Abbott brothers! I was surprised Zakk did this to Dime. And spare me about a younger generation of fans missing out. I never got to see Led Zep but I accepted it.
@@bcrichwarlock7608fr man. i was born 2yrs after dime was killed and i refuse to see this so called tribute pantera was dime and vinnie there is no pantera with out them
he chose his words very carefully after all the disrespectful stuff phil said about them and even still, dime got murdered. So, it wasnt actually a confrontation btw members that caused it but the ramblings of an addict
...Another 20 years later, after Vinnie reuniting with Dime in death, Pantera's legacy lives on through Phil, Rex, Charlie and Zakk. Though everyone knows it's a tribute band at best, even with such big names. Yet, it started as a passion project and passion is what Pantera is about, I was happy to have seen them live once again ... how times have changed, Rex stopped drinking, Phil calmed down... Rest in Peace Abbott brothers, the world will forever be a different place without you in it.
does it hell! you people are so deluded. pantera died when dimebag did, youre just selfish and want more. if it wasn't for phil, these events wouldn't have happened.
@Lucas-nu8ur The estate consists of Rita Haney and a couple of friends of Vince. They want $$$$$ so they don't care about the Abbotts. Vinnie himself said there wouldn't be a reunion. Now that he is in the grave both Phil and Rex are salivating.
3 sides to a story. Phil accepts his role but I refuse to believe Dime/Vinnie didn’t play their parts in it either. People gotta stop acting like they were infallible
there is more stuff and happening behind the scenes that some of that all 4 band members took/will take with themselves to the grave. Vinnie used to be a major asshole sometimes, rex too, alcohol plagued the Abbott brothers till the end,and loss of his brother drove VP even more to booze. ofc not mentioning phils addiction and a boiling point happening when he overdosed on heroin on their homecoming. Rex was also a major snowplower when it came to drugs. All these fans screaming about how they spoke to vp/rex/phil(not going to add dime here because he is a saint confirmed) backstage for 15 minutes for all of them being so humane and laid back, but we don't see the everyday thing. The remaining abbotts and phil recalled that rex's book is abt 50% bullshit with him speaking down everyone else in the band except himself, but in the gibson interview i guess he got a little closer to the turht about everyones behavior during the downfall of pantera. If you really start to dig down into the subject as i did one night, you will find alot more info about the band. After all it was and severely mentally deranged person (his mom bought him a gun for his birthday wtf) finished the unraveling of pantera because he thought they stole HIS music. - i realized, holy shit thats alot of text xD Well anyways i hope more people who think a single invidual is at fault for the events that took place in the final years of pantera will see this. It just bugs me that there is so much diversion in opinions of who is at fault when it is clear as day that it was one schizophrenic piece of shit who was the final nail to the coffin. all of those guys had their own difficulties. But yeah quoting phil when he said something along the lines of "there is what he said and what he said, the truth is somewhere in the middle."
@@user-yp5hg1px7p yeah, I've tried to see it from both sides for years. Phil had the other bands, that's not good for most bands, doesn't work.. even the behind the music made years ago, roadies & others talked about how they were pulling apart when Phil was in a lot of pain & needed surgery. Just becoming difficult to be around after Driven, wouldn't take time off to get surgery & recover, and he admits it in later years. I hold nothing against any of them. Dio was the nicest guy, & there were issues in all of his bands too if you see the recent movie/doc
Both Phil and Rex said the brothers became annoying to be around and had a lot of annoying low lives hanging around them too. Meanwhile both Phil and Rex, their addictions were wearing them down (+Phil's back injury), which only amplified their inability to tolerate the non stop party attitude the brother's had.
Right? You think Vinnie would go to this sham? This would never happen if they were alive. Imagine Phil pitching to them this idea of doing a Pantera Tour without Vinnie and Dime in the band? They're gonna sample the sounds too. Phil would get shot by both of em. For sure.
All these negative comments man… you’re talking about shit from 20 years ago. NONE of us are the same people we were 20 years ago. Mistakes were made and there’s regret but Phil has healed with Rita and the families and he’s out there now making sure Dime and Vinnies estates are looked after.. fuk the lot of you haters man y’all need to grow tf up. Saw the new lineup last week and it was awesome. I’ll go see em again.
LOL, tough guy on the internet telling people to grow up because they have an opinion. I bet you think you're more metal than everyone else too, don't you?🤣
That’s a great interview Vinny was an amazing guy. I’m lucky enough to have seen him play in Pantera a half dozen times. Look Phil was on drugs and making fucked up decisions. Anyone in this thread ever done that?!? My guess is yeah including myself. People get in your ear high on shit about how he’s the real star and should have all the $$$. Now he’s acting like a jag off not knowing what’s coming out his mouth. I saw the interview myself. Later when he sobered up he took it back. People make mistakes and grow up, make amends. I’m sure if Phil could take it all back he would. I’ve seen em twice now and it’s F’n amazing. Holding grudges is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to get sick. CFH!
I met her at inkarceration in Ohio last summer. Couldn’t of been nicer and she talked to me for probably 20 minutes and gave me a free shot of black tooth.
Absolutely. He only got shot becuase he was playing some junk little club with no security. The sad part is is the brothers had just said the hell with it and called Damage Plan Pantera they probably would have been getting better gigs and Dimebag wouldn't have gotten shot.
Almost definitely, it didn't make Nathan Gale into a monster but he'd have probably fixated on another target and hurt someone else. It doesn't make Phil culpable though, how could he know? He's not a great person and he's said and done a lot of awful shit over the years but Dime's death is not his fault.
Learn more about rock history. The Doobie Brothers toured for years with no original members. Pete Best did a solo album called "Best of the Beatles" that had no Beatles on it. It was a pun. Some industrial band once changed their name to U2's newest album and made an album called "U2" and released it the same day.
The sound that everyone knows and loves developed when Phil joined the band. He was the frontman of Pantera for all their good albums. The behind the scenes stories tell that he's the one who pulled them out of the glam style while touring the Power Metal album.
@@Greg-rv5vm Phil got more and more insecure on each album to the point of Super high to screaming to low throwup incoherent Death Metal. Anybody can scream their head off. No real talent.
@@ericm4426 Phil got no voice, Zakk sound good but it does not play like Dime...plus listening to Phil pathetic way of asking constantly people if they will come back to see them make it feel so cringe
@cyberrider1765 zac has his own style,dime was his friend,i seen pantera 2 times original line-up,even opened show for them count in to domination when i was 11 years old. Some things better to be left alone
@@cyberrider1765I feel Zakk could actually Fcking shred the songs if he actually tried hard. I feel like he doesnt wanna be compared to Dime, so he just kinda plays the songs a bit, when he could shred the f out of them. When hes playing black label shows, he shreds hella hard. Really good guitar player
I won’t see Pantera now. It’s not even close to what it was. And imo it’s disrespectful to who I grew up listening to and that was Pantera WITH VINNIE PAUL AND DIMEBAG DARREL
:/ this is before the absolute hatred he developed for Phil, which is really nice to see. He’s actually able to say very nice things about Phil. Instead of going I don’t wanna talk about it, etc… which I get why.
Many artists deaths were or are sad , Amy winehouse was sad , layne Staley , for others Chris Cornell or Pete steele, Dave from gwar, Scott weiland , Chester Bennington, Jeff from Slayer sooo many .
@SkyNetGeneral- I agree. Dimebag just influenced me a lot with his music, and it makes me sad to imagine that Vinnie had such a broken heart, yet he continued on.
They didn't wana tarnish the legacy of Pantera... Then Phil and Rex went and tarnished the fuck out of it with this "reunion" 🤦♂️. What a goddamn shame.
This Tour would never happen if they were alive. Imagine Phil pitching to them this idea of doing a Pantera Tour without Vinnie and Dime in the band? They're gonna sample the sounds too? Phil would get beat.
Phil did a tour with the Illegals to play Far Beyond Driven in it's entirety, and no one cared. He throws the Pantera name on it, and suddenly people want to lick his asshole now. Fanboys will fanboy, I guess.
@@re4477I mean how can the Abbott brothers be a part of it if they're not around? At least some people that never got to see them, can still experience somewhat what it kinda was, original or not. Zakk is a great guitar player and Dimebag probably wouldn't have picked anyone different. I kind of want to check em out as I never got too when they were original.
Phil was making arrangements for a reunion before Vinnies body was cold. Phil discarded PanterA for bigger and better things, but we never saw bigger and better things from him. Now he's all about his cash cow. Good for the kids that go to the shows. Good for the PanterA crew. Whatever makes you happy. I'm just not interested 🤷♂️
Vinnie and Dime could've easily continued Pantera on their own as well but didn't use the band's name. I like Phil and he is definitely one of the best metal vocalist out there but him "continuing" to tour at present using Pantera is a fcking slap to the brother's name, for the sake of more traction and money
People kinda forget the Abbott brothers weren’t exactly angels during the success of Pantera. A big part of why Phil and Rex broke off and did Down together was they were tired of the constant micro managing the Abbots did. Pantera was maybe started by then Abbots but they alone didn’t contribute to the success of the band. Without Rex and Phil it wasn’t gonna work. I think a lot of the bad blood was started when they saw the success of Down with Rex and Phil. Nothing could be bigger to Pantera for them. Rex and Phil went on good side bands and projects and the Abbots did not. It’s not about picking a side it’s about being objective. Go back and look at interviews in 96 on. Pantera was not a band that was gonna survive too many more years. Nobody just didn’t wanna say no to the money.
Such a story for these guys. So sad in so many ways. Phil messed up and basically cried in his later interviews for what was like a plea for forgiveness from vinnie Abbott before vinnie died , the murder of Dime , what a story and legacy these people had when they were the real Pantera.
Vinnie and Dime were Pantera! Phil was the David Lee Roth or Axl Rose for the band at the time that had a couple good albums in him as they both did , that couldn’t handle being upstaged by a guitar player , drummer or both.
without phil joining the band they might have gone nowhere but being a glam band phil was a massive influence on their sound when he joined and was a huge part of pantera become who they were
The brothers ended Pantera! They moved on. That so called singer left the band and now he's using the name, what they're doing to Pantera now is absolutely disgraceful
Eh. That may have tarnished the Pantera name even more than just disbanding. It's pretty clear that the Abbott Bros wanted to sell out and do nu metal. Damageplan was not very good. It wasn't any better than any of Phil's cringey side projects. It's like the Abbott Bros wanted to sell out and Phil wanted to just do unlistenably noisy projects for "metal cred". Both were huge missteps. Nu metal and buttrock were such a problem at this time.
That was part of it, but he was trying to get clean at one point and the party atmosphere of dime and Vinnie was not doing him any good. If dime hadn't been killed they would have gotten back together eventually
@@stillwelltjz6798 100% W opinion anyone that disagrees or say its Phils fault needs to be in the ground. Stop with "go phil" "for the brothers" Its PANTERA or nothing.
@@CreatorfragmentsI think the final nail was super joint ritual because down put out their first album in 95 and if Phil would have gone right back to the abbots after down II I think they’d be alright
DAMAGEPLAN WAS THE TRUE SUCCESSOR AND (UNFORTUNATELY) THE SWAN SONG OF PANTERA. EVEN IN THE CONCERTS MOST OF THE FANS HAD PANTERA MERCH ON MEANWHILE PHIL STARTED THAT PILE OF ASS SUPERJOINT AND THAT THING PRETTY MUCH CRASHED AND BURNED LIKE HIM
I really wish there was a mutual departure and an appropriate media message to the fans. Just a good take a break, let's get out some side music, and regroup and come back Stronger Than All. That's all they needed, maybe some rehabilitation on the drinking, and appropriate time for Phil to get his back in order. But geez, so many things could have happened better than the way it went down.
all the people saying no pantera without vinnie and dime well pantera was just a shitty glam band until phil joined he was a massive part in pantera becoming the band they did if dime and vinnies families were happy for phil and rex to bring in zakk and charlie and tour then so be it you think its so bad start shitting on dime and vinnies family who agreed and gave their blessing for the tours to go ahead because no matter who much you want to sook about them touring with the new lineup fuck loads of fans are going to the shows and i'm willing to bet a majority of the people saying they never will have gone to see them or will go see them in the future
Who remembers necrophagia??? I remember getting there vhs tape in 99 or 2000 and thinking this is why phil hasnt been working on a new pantera record 😂 hope he didnt blow all his money on this 💎 gem 😂😂😂😂
as much as I loved this band Phil was definitely the best front man. Dude was going through addiction and once Dime was killed Vinny Just couldn't get over it. Understandable but with all being said, I still have the side with Phil.
Shame that they do a Pantera "reunion". If Phil never left Pantera in the first place, Dime would probably still be alive. So kinda lame to do a reunion after that.
I saw Phil on the street not long ago. I asked him one question. Are you happy you broke up Pantera? He rushed away looking confused and not ready for violent interaction. He knew it was a fight and not worth his wears as I stared into his soul and saw only empty shades of a man. It was recent as well 4/13/2024
It's funny how he corrects the guy about when he started drumming for pantera. But wouldn't acknowledge those early albums as pantera albums. Guy always twisted shit to suit his own narratives.
@@LabiaLicker Phil definitely was tbe missing puzzle piece they needed and he brought the attitude. All im saying is that its fucked up how things work.
@@LabiaLickerWrong. The boys already wanted to go in a harder direction. Phil certainly played a major role in that, but to say "Phil made Pantera what it was" is a gross oversimplification.
@@all_invite_0hmYou didn't prove anyone wrong. Before Phil, nobody cared about Pantera. They became huge after Phil became the singer. Therefore, he made Pantera was what it was, regardless if you like that or not. Simple logic. Did the Abbott bros and Rex having something to do with that? Of course, but LabiaLicker didni't say that Phil acted alone. You inferred that.
@@LabiaLickerIdk man, Dimes guitar playing was always good, ever since the beginning of the band. Phill just brought some extra talent to the table. The reason Pantera was so great is there were 4 great musicians that all brought something to the table. It wasnt just one person that made the band great.
Who cares about what the “estate” views are. They are not Dime or Vinnie. If its a tribute to Pantera and the brothers then they shouldnt be billing the tour/gigs as “Pantera”.
I believe Phil Anselmo has no problem stepping on a dead man's grave, but Zac Wylde is going against Dime and Vinny's wishes is dirty as fuck. Just to grab a quick buck. They should truly be ashamed of themselves.
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there father has outlived both his sons and wife . That’s gotta be awful
I can't imagine how hard that must be. I've actually thought about that several times.
That's very sad to find out about.
vinnie drank himself dead, dime was doing the same... by the time of his death he looked bloated and sick like another guy whose love for alchol was is demise, Warrel Dane.
Yeah but his son's saved heavy metal in the 90's and are regarded amongst the best ever.
@@Jerry_Gallo photos of dimebag before his death his fingers looked like sausages sign of liver and kidneys not working as they should if not shot he probably would’ve died like his brother infortanetly
Some chick is watching this and saying that’s my bra on the wall🤘🏻
Someones mom, or even grandma.
Such a genuine great dude. Rip man.
I teared up when he mentioned how there was no pantera backlash. Rip dime and vinnie. Miss Wish I could have seen them live
I saw Pantera and actually they showed up at a bar and it was my birthday and I got to party with them and they all signed autographs for me and Dimes was the coolest he wrote happy birthday 1 time MF…. Fast forward to Hellyeah days I saw them several wand at each show they came out other venue to fans waiting and took pictures and signed autographs and I was lucky enough to catch Vinnie Paul’s last drumstick he threw out to the crowd in Kentucky and I still have my autographs, the guitar pick that Dime personally gave me and the drumstick that I caught from Vinnie…. Hands down they were class acts metal heads and they loved their fans.
@@jamesbrummett6739💪
I felt the same way. RIP Vinnie and Dime.
i saw them. Vinnie is rough on Phil in all these interviews. He wasn't in a good place around 2001 tours you could see. Still performed well but could tell he was in pure pain and misery but soldiered on. You could tell Vinnie was cranky as phuck and angry though.
@@jamesbrummett6739jealous of you bro
“Those damage plan fans really embrace us”…. Except for that one guy. What a tragedy. Miss these dudes.
well, he wasn't a fan...just a whackjob...
Phil was the reason why Pantera disbanded, but that nut blamed Dimebag.
@@thedude4672he didn't blame dime. He was a psychopath who believed pantera was stealing his music, he didn't blame dime for pantera disbanding, he was delusional and he just hated them
As soon as he said this phrase…your comment nailed it. Except this one guy. 😢
He was a pantera fan not a damageplan fan
2:17 if only they knew 😢
just months after this interview too. so fuckin sad
I’ve seen almost all the great and legendary drummers…Bonham, Watts, Palmer, Bruford, Chambers, Aldridge, and dozens more. But none more important to me than seeing Vinnie with Hellyeah. When he walked onstage, twirling his sticks and laughing, my son was pointing at him with his jaw on the floor, basically speechless. Amazing privilege to see him play live.
So lucky I got to hear him thunder away 3 times and met him twice, he's the pinnacle of metal drumming for me
Vinnie was a great drummer.
Rip Vinnie and dime. 2 legends 💯
No vinnie paul, no dime bag,,,,, NO PANTERA!!! , that guitar and drums can’t ever get replaced!! 😢😢😢
A lot of people on here, commenting that this was a Pantera tour. I have seen Pantera twice, the real Pantera, in 1997, and again in 2001 both times Phil was a raging lunatic on stage, demanding perfection from the crowd, as well as drug induced shit talking of things that I will not repeat here. I also saw Pantera at a “reunion “show” and I will say this much, it was the best I have ever heard Phil‘s voice, and the best live show. I have seen him perform of the three. Sobriety is a good thing, and in the end, this was not Phil and Rex trying to be Pantera, but it was a tribute to the past, and a tribute to the band. Every song was played as it was on the albums, with very little live ad Lib. It was very very fitting. And I think a lot of people get it wrong when they call this a tour, but it is a tribute to the band and its legacy. I choose no sides in what happened, because I have no dog in the fight other than I was a fan. I had my opinions of Phil, but I liked the music. The reunion, for lack of a better term, is pretty much just a tribute to the bands, former glory and should be treated as in my opinion.
But as far as the shit talking in the press? I have a guitar world magazine, where dime was talking shit on Pat, and that he was a terrible singer, and at least Phil could “make him money.”
Exactly!! I seen him with down in 2016 and he was smashed. Seen pantera last summer and he was fuckin incredible
Pat who?
@@BobRoss-wm3lc Pat was the singer for Damageplan
Yeah this is a bit of a stretch considering Phil was doing interviews calling for the death of Dimebag and Vinnie, among all the other horrible shit he said.
I don’t know what you’re going for here, but this ain’t it brother
@@Tubolicious82 where did Phil ever call for the death of Dime and Vinnie? Send the quote and source or you are a f*king liar.
We miss you Vinnie!
2:45 truer words have never been spoken. Then once the Abbott bros passed away, Phil came back and steamed ahead with new members. That is why I can't bring myself to go see the current lineup, whether Zakk and Dime were buds or not - it just ain't right.
What kills me about it is all the so-called "friends" of Dime and Vinnie lying through their teeth about how the brothers are happy looking down on this farce of a "tribute." The only motherfucker being honest about it is Chad Gray. Everybody else is just spewing out false bullshit. I will NEVER accept this cover band as the real Pantera.
I kinda feel the same way. Led Zep broke up after John passed, but at least they knew there could never be another Led Zep afterwards. However they did a show with Jason doing his Dads drum parts. I can forgive that. But the new Pantera IDK
that's what i hate most people who r seeing them don't understand. vinnie felt betrayal from what phil did, and then to lose his brother and then phil wants to come back around?? that was why he never forgave him. not saying not forgiving was the best choice, but i get why he didn't and held it against him until he died. but now that he's dead, phil does this move where vinnie can't speak out on it anymore? why didn't he do it when he was still alive? 🤔 just something to think about
Pantera died in 2004. This reunion is a gd travesty
It's like if Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony tried starting a new Van Halen.
I still remember the day we lost dimebag.
It was my birthday and
I was in art school.. was supposed to be working on my project on photoshop but decided to go on the kerrang website and the news hit me like a tone of bricks!
Im still in shock that dime is no longer with us because of some dumbf**k scumbag.
RIP abbot brothers ❤
Gone too soon but left a mark where youll be remembered forever. 😢
He almost acknowledged the glam era
They were teenagers during that era, true fans get it.
That was a close one. There are some atrocities of the past not worth mentioning
@Sconi71 no way bro. We accept reality but can't understand it any more than country music
Vinnie! Miss you, brother.
That a hole at the damage plan gig destroyed any chance of a reconciliation...seen them live twice in Dublin. Once supporting Megadeath and then headlining their own gig...( Still have one of Rex's plec's) ....Rip to Vinnie and Dime 🤘
Between Pantera and Metallica, it seems like it is almost impossible to put together a rock band that makes it big that is not totally dysfunctional internally. Oasis, Van Halen or many others. Possibly just human nature. Possibly sex, drugs and money. Who knows?
It really just comes down to personalities,. IMO anyway. And personalities can clash, explode. Being in a band is one of the hardest things anyone can do. Decisions about money, music, band direction etc.. can easily cause tension. It’s like going into business with 4-5 of your closest friends.
There are a couple that come to mind that figured out how to keep it together, R.E.M., Radiohead, Pearl Jam. But yeah for Hard Rock/Metal it's much tougher. I think that lifestyle is just so destructive, really burning the candle at both ends. People flame out
Res Hot Chili Peppers seem to all get along pretty well. Anthony and Flea have been best friends for almost fifty years, Chad has been the drummer for 36 years, John has been the only inconsistent member, and that's just because he doesn't really deal with the fame very well.
They might all have their own personal demons and questionable history, but they're one of the only huge rock bands I can think of that have all been friends for 35+ years.
@@TheOfficialCaseMade Good point w RHCP. 311 knew each other as kids and are still together also. I have long time friends (30+ years) but we never had to work together and go on tour in a bus together. When you only get together every 6 months to drink a couple beers and eat some hot wings, it's easy to stay friends. Living on a tour bus for a year traveling the country, we'd probably kill each other. LOL!
Egos and money. Every time.
all class was vin. not talking shit and not replacing members to maintain the legacy, even though he hated phil, thats tegrity right der
no he shit talked phil until the day he died
Phil talked shit about Pantera until the bodies were cold, then he rang the Pantera cash register once again. Thanks Abbott brothers!
I was surprised Zakk did this to Dime. And spare me about a younger generation of fans missing out. I never got to see Led Zep but I accepted it.
Not to mention Phil is the sole reason Pantera broke up.
Real fans wouldn't accept this bs tour
Dude needs work. Dead people aren't owed anything.
@@bcrichwarlock7608fr man. i was born 2yrs after dime was killed and i refuse to see this so called tribute pantera was dime and vinnie there is no pantera with out them
@@TheVoiceInYourHeadd Phil is also the reason they bacame the Pantera we all know.
he chose his words very carefully after all the disrespectful stuff phil said about them and even still, dime got murdered. So, it wasnt actually a confrontation btw members that caused it but the ramblings of an addict
Excellent drummer
Play that on the video screen at the next “Pantera” gig
...Another 20 years later, after Vinnie reuniting with Dime in death, Pantera's legacy lives on through Phil, Rex, Charlie and Zakk. Though everyone knows it's a tribute band at best, even with such big names. Yet, it started as a passion project and passion is what Pantera is about, I was happy to have seen them live once again ... how times have changed, Rex stopped drinking, Phil calmed down... Rest in Peace Abbott brothers, the world will forever be a different place without you in it.
Phil appreciates your money.
@@TheVoiceInYourHeadd I'm sure the rest of the band did too.
does it hell! you people are so deluded. pantera died when dimebag did, youre just selfish and want more. if it wasn't for phil, these events wouldn't have happened.
@@TheVoiceInYourHeadd so the brother's estate. The tour wouldn't had go on if wasn't for them allowing the band to reunite
@Lucas-nu8ur The estate consists of Rita Haney and a couple of friends of Vince. They want $$$$$ so they don't care about the Abbotts. Vinnie himself said there wouldn't be a reunion. Now that he is in the grave both Phil and Rex are salivating.
I personally love Phil, but I feel like it was jis vault that Pantera blew up. This is sad
3 sides to a story. Phil accepts his role but I refuse to believe Dime/Vinnie didn’t play their parts in it either. People gotta stop acting like they were infallible
there is more stuff and happening behind the scenes that some of that all 4 band members took/will take with themselves to the grave. Vinnie used to be a major asshole sometimes, rex too, alcohol plagued the Abbott brothers till the end,and loss of his brother drove VP even more to booze. ofc not mentioning phils addiction and a boiling point happening when he overdosed on heroin on their homecoming. Rex was also a major snowplower when it came to drugs. All these fans screaming about how they spoke to vp/rex/phil(not going to add dime here because he is a saint confirmed) backstage for 15 minutes for all of them being so humane and laid back, but we don't see the everyday thing. The remaining abbotts and phil recalled that rex's book is abt 50% bullshit with him speaking down everyone else in the band except himself, but in the gibson interview i guess he got a little closer to the turht about everyones behavior during the downfall of pantera. If you really start to dig down into the subject as i did one night, you will find alot more info about the band. After all it was and severely mentally deranged person (his mom bought him a gun for his birthday wtf) finished the unraveling of pantera because he thought they stole HIS music.
- i realized, holy shit thats alot of text xD Well anyways i hope more people who think a single invidual is at fault for the events that took place in the final years of pantera will see this. It just bugs me that there is so much diversion in opinions of who is at fault when it is clear as day that it was one schizophrenic piece of shit who was the final nail to the coffin. all of those guys had their own difficulties. But yeah quoting phil when he said something along the lines of "there is what he said and what he said, the truth is somewhere in the middle."
@@astroknott5263Phil also screamed white power on stage
If you weren’t offended by that
🖕🖕🖕
@@user-yp5hg1px7p yeah, I've tried to see it from both sides for years. Phil had the other bands, that's not good for most bands, doesn't work.. even the behind the music made years ago, roadies & others talked about how they were pulling apart when Phil was in a lot of pain & needed surgery. Just becoming difficult to be around after Driven, wouldn't take time off to get surgery & recover, and he admits it in later years. I hold nothing against any of them. Dio was the nicest guy, & there were issues in all of his bands too if you see the recent movie/doc
Both Phil and Rex said the brothers became annoying to be around and had a lot of annoying low lives hanging around them too. Meanwhile both Phil and Rex, their addictions were wearing them down (+Phil's back injury), which only amplified their inability to tolerate the non stop party attitude the brother's had.
Damn. I miss the brothers.
Corny reporter"...drummer for pantera for 20 years?"
VP: "Absolutely, longer than that. 21 years."
I more wish damageplan survived instead of the pantera today. Never again youll see a stage like that.
Never got into DamagePlan or Hell Yeah.
Pantera was awesome, though
Kinda makes all the "Vin and Dime would love this" quotes we heard when the current lineup and tour was announced, seem a bit.....false.
Damn straight
Chad Gray is the only one speaking the truth publicly. Vinnie was against a reunion till the day he died.
They would be fucking furious. I bet they would love Atilla's cover band though.
F Phil he shouldn't even be doing this tour it's not Pantera without dime and Vinnie
No Dime No Vinny no Pantera! Cover band nowadays.
no phil no rex no albums like cowboys from hell and every album onwards
Phil's a punk, new Pantera line up is a $$$ grab..
Right? You think Vinnie would go to this sham? This would never happen if they were alive. Imagine Phil pitching to them this idea of doing a Pantera Tour without Vinnie and Dime in the band? They're gonna sample the sounds too. Phil would get shot by both of em. For sure.
Vinnie had no problem signing my PanterA tattoo at download 2010 🤘🤘 was epic to meet him 🤘🤘
Gets interviewed about damage plan meanwhile his name on the screen is with hellyeah? Lol
All these negative comments man… you’re talking about shit from 20 years ago. NONE of us are the same people we were 20 years ago. Mistakes were made and there’s regret but Phil has healed with Rita and the families and he’s out there now making sure Dime and Vinnies estates are looked after.. fuk the lot of you haters man y’all need to grow tf up. Saw the new lineup last week and it was awesome. I’ll go see em again.
LOL, tough guy on the internet telling people to grow up because they have an opinion. I bet you think you're more metal than everyone else too, don't you?🤣
That’s a great interview Vinny was an amazing guy. I’m lucky enough to have seen him play in Pantera a half dozen times. Look Phil was on drugs and making fucked up decisions. Anyone in this thread ever done that?!? My guess is yeah including myself. People get in your ear high on shit about how he’s the real star and should have all the $$$. Now he’s acting like a jag off not knowing what’s coming out his mouth. I saw the interview myself. Later when he sobered up he took it back. People make mistakes and grow up, make amends. I’m sure if Phil could take it all back he would. I’ve seen em twice now and it’s F’n amazing. Holding grudges is like drinking poison and expecting someone else to get sick. CFH!
Classy man him and his brother. Phil went on to make great music with other bands but these guys didn’t deserve the disrespect
Miss you and Dimebag! Love Pantera and you will live on Forever!!
All the greats die young....Dimebags wife was at Rockville last year in Daytona Beach
I met her at inkarceration in Ohio last summer. Couldn’t of been nicer and she talked to me for probably 20 minutes and gave me a free shot of black tooth.
1st four pantera albums 🔥🔥🔥🔥
If Phil hadn't ghosted Pantera, would Dime be alive today?
Most likely.
Absolutely. He only got shot becuase he was playing some junk little club with no security. The sad part is is the brothers had just said the hell with it and called Damage Plan Pantera they probably would have been getting better gigs and Dimebag wouldn't have gotten shot.
Almost definitely, it didn't make Nathan Gale into a monster but he'd have probably fixated on another target and hurt someone else.
It doesn't make Phil culpable though, how could he know? He's not a great person and he's said and done a lot of awful shit over the years but Dime's death is not his fault.
And now "Pantera" is back for one of the most shameless cash grabs of all time!
my exact thought, i could not pay a cent to go see that cover band they got together.
@sergiolandz6056 they would have to pay me. And these clowns are charging $100 for floor tickets.
Learn more about rock history. The Doobie Brothers toured for years with no original members.
Pete Best did a solo album called "Best of the Beatles" that had no Beatles on it. It was a pun.
Some industrial band once changed their name to U2's newest album and made an album called "U2" and released it the same day.
Dime was still alive. Wish someone could warn Vinnie back then.
Hail Phil! If it wasn't for him joining the band in '87, PanterA would be just an average forgotten metal band.
It's not Pantera. Pantera was Vince and Dime period!
If it wasn't for Phil they'd have remained a glam band and none of us would have been into them 🤷♂️
The sound that everyone knows and loves developed when Phil joined the band. He was the frontman of Pantera for all their good albums. The behind the scenes stories tell that he's the one who pulled them out of the glam style while touring the Power Metal album.
Obviously not "period," since they didn't become the Pantera we know and love until Phil joined.
@@Greg-rv5vm Phil got more and more insecure on each album to the point of Super high to screaming to low throwup incoherent Death Metal. Anybody can scream their head off. No real talent.
Still a punk abanding it🖕🏽
I just saw Pantera 2 hrs ago and here i am...
No Vinnie+No Dime=No Pantera
How the current line up sound?i think zac is doing dime justice personally and phil is sounding pretty good
@@ericm4426 Phil got no voice, Zakk sound good but it does not play like Dime...plus listening to Phil pathetic way of asking constantly people if they will come back to see them make it feel so cringe
@cyberrider1765 zac has his own style,dime was his friend,i seen pantera 2 times original line-up,even opened show for them count in to domination when i was 11 years old.
Some things better to be left alone
@@ericm4426 i agree. I am no one to judge what one does and how they make a living, I will not support it though
@@cyberrider1765I feel Zakk could actually Fcking shred the songs if he actually tried hard. I feel like he doesnt wanna be compared to Dime, so he just kinda plays the songs a bit, when he could shred the f out of them. When hes playing black label shows, he shreds hella hard. Really good guitar player
I won’t see Pantera now. It’s not even close to what it was. And imo it’s disrespectful to who I grew up listening to and that was Pantera WITH VINNIE PAUL AND DIMEBAG DARREL
Hurts me to hear that
:/ this is before the absolute hatred he developed for Phil, which is really nice to see. He’s actually able to say very nice things about Phil. Instead of going I don’t wanna talk about it, etc… which I get why.
Dime and Vinny's death legit make me sad, unlike most musician deaths.
Agreed.
Many artists deaths were or are sad , Amy winehouse was sad , layne Staley , for others Chris Cornell or Pete steele, Dave from gwar, Scott weiland , Chester Bennington, Jeff from Slayer sooo many .
@SkyNetGeneral- I agree. Dimebag just influenced me a lot with his music, and it makes me sad to imagine that Vinnie had such a broken heart, yet he continued on.
They didn't wana tarnish the legacy of Pantera... Then Phil and Rex went and tarnished the fuck out of it with this "reunion" 🤦♂️. What a goddamn shame.
This Tour would never happen if they were alive. Imagine Phil pitching to them this idea of doing a Pantera Tour without Vinnie and Dime in the band? They're gonna sample the sounds too? Phil would get beat.
Phil did a tour with the Illegals to play Far Beyond Driven in it's entirety, and no one cared. He throws the Pantera name on it, and suddenly people want to lick his asshole now. Fanboys will fanboy, I guess.
Well said, Vinnie.
I reported Pantera on Instagram as "pretending to be someone else." #RipAbbottBros
Dork
@@waywolfjones8127 No that's a solid bit.
Hahahahahaha priceless
And now Phil is out there making money off it and laying Pantera songs calling it Pantera without the Abbott brothers, shameful. Same for Rex too
Ain't mad at all. I never got all caught up in that stuff.
@@re4477I mean how can the Abbott brothers be a part of it if they're not around? At least some people that never got to see them, can still experience somewhat what it kinda was, original or not. Zakk is a great guitar player and Dimebag probably wouldn't have picked anyone different. I kind of want to check em out as I never got too when they were original.
Phil was making arrangements for a reunion before Vinnies body was cold. Phil discarded PanterA for bigger and better things, but we never saw bigger and better things from him. Now he's all about his cash cow. Good for the kids that go to the shows. Good for the PanterA crew. Whatever makes you happy. I'm just not interested 🤷♂️
Yeah, I've been wondering when Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony are going to reform Van Halen. That's all it takes, right?
Agreed BS
Vinnie and Dime could've easily continued Pantera on their own as well but didn't use the band's name. I like Phil and he is definitely one of the best metal vocalist out there but him "continuing" to tour at present using Pantera is a fcking slap to the brother's name, for the sake of more traction and money
Terrifying hearing the Damageplan news knowing what happened. RIP both Abbot brothers.
and now the dude is playing everywhere....such a shame. RIP Vinnie you re truly missed
Wait, who was the majority holder in Pantera at that time?
People kinda forget the Abbott brothers weren’t exactly angels during the success of Pantera. A big part of why Phil and Rex broke off and did Down together was they were tired of the constant micro managing the Abbots did. Pantera was maybe started by then Abbots but they alone didn’t contribute to the success of the band. Without Rex and Phil it wasn’t gonna work. I think a lot of the bad blood was started when they saw the success of Down with Rex and Phil. Nothing could be bigger to Pantera for them. Rex and Phil went on good side bands and projects and the Abbots did not. It’s not about picking a side it’s about being objective. Go back and look at interviews in 96 on. Pantera was not a band that was gonna survive too many more years. Nobody just didn’t wanna say no to the money.
You are so wrong.
RIP my heroes
Such a story for these guys. So sad in so many ways. Phil messed up and basically cried in his later interviews for what was like a plea for forgiveness from vinnie Abbott before vinnie died , the murder of Dime , what a story and legacy these people had when they were the real Pantera.
Vinnie and Dime were Pantera! Phil was the David Lee Roth or Axl Rose for the band at the time that had a couple good albums in him as they both did , that couldn’t handle being upstaged by a guitar player , drummer or both.
without phil joining the band they might have gone nowhere but being a glam band phil was a massive influence on their sound when he joined and was a huge part of pantera become who they were
Yes Phil might caused the Pantera disband but he has proven after all these years that he has changed and started taken care of himself
Rust In Peace, My Brothers 🫗🤘
There is no Pantera without Dime and Vinnie Paul. Phil should stop touring as Pantera and rename it as what it is, a tribute band!
The brothers ended Pantera! They moved on. That so called singer left the band and now he's using the name, what they're doing to Pantera now is absolutely disgraceful
Best comment I've seen its disgusting and shows phil Is a shitty human being and I refuse to watch that jackass
Rest in peace PANTERA Bros.......
Shoulda just fired Phil and got a new singer
Eh. That may have tarnished the Pantera name even more than just disbanding. It's pretty clear that the Abbott Bros wanted to sell out and do nu metal. Damageplan was not very good. It wasn't any better than any of Phil's cringey side projects. It's like the Abbott Bros wanted to sell out and Phil wanted to just do unlistenably noisy projects for "metal cred". Both were huge missteps. Nu metal and buttrock were such a problem at this time.
Phil isn’t Phil without Pantera and Pantera isn’t Pantera with the Abbott bros!! They all needed each other and that’s what sucks!!!
@@nickkleiber8636 I definitely agree with this!
@@Rob_Cary They sold out when they changed their sound to what you like.
@@nickkleiber8636 Like they couldn't have gotten some other no talent to bark over the music.
Not for nothing but how could you not know why he left, its called drugs.
That was part of it, but he was trying to get clean at one point and the party atmosphere of dime and Vinnie was not doing him any good. If dime hadn't been killed they would have gotten back together eventually
@@stillwelltjz6798 100% W opinion anyone that disagrees or say its Phils fault needs to be in the ground. Stop with "go phil" "for the brothers" Its PANTERA or nothing.
Addiction will ruin anything.
It was called Down!
@@CreatorfragmentsI think the final nail was super joint ritual because down put out their first album in 95 and if Phil would have gone right back to the abbots after down II I think they’d be alright
DAMAGEPLAN WAS THE TRUE SUCCESSOR AND (UNFORTUNATELY) THE SWAN SONG OF PANTERA.
EVEN IN THE CONCERTS MOST OF THE FANS HAD PANTERA MERCH ON
MEANWHILE PHIL STARTED THAT PILE OF ASS SUPERJOINT AND THAT THING PRETTY MUCH CRASHED AND BURNED LIKE HIM
I honestly understand where Vinnie was coming from with not wanting a reunion, but i have to say he really made a mistake not doing it.
I really wish there was a mutual departure and an appropriate media message to the fans. Just a good take a break, let's get out some side music, and regroup and come back Stronger Than All. That's all they needed, maybe some rehabilitation on the drinking, and appropriate time for Phil to get his back in order. But geez, so many things could have happened better than the way it went down.
So sad to watch videos like this now, knowing that Dime and Vinnie are both gone.
Great band of brothers
The bra hanging in the back! I miss the 90’s!
"We didn't want to do it with other people and tarnish the legacy we had" No worries Vinnie, Phil and Rex trashed it for you.
Reinventing the Steal.
Vinnie was bitter... Rest his soul. God bless Phil Rex Zakk and Charlie. Pantera lives forever
all the people saying no pantera without vinnie and dime well pantera was just a shitty glam band until phil joined he was a massive part in pantera becoming the band they did if dime and vinnies families were happy for phil and rex to bring in zakk and charlie and tour then so be it you think its so bad start shitting on dime and vinnies family who agreed and gave their blessing for the tours to go ahead because no matter who much you want to sook about them touring with the new lineup fuck loads of fans are going to the shows and i'm willing to bet a majority of the people saying they never will have gone to see them or will go see them in the future
Who remembers necrophagia??? I remember getting there vhs tape in 99 or 2000 and thinking this is why phil hasnt been working on a new pantera record 😂 hope he didnt blow all his money on this 💎 gem 😂😂😂😂
Wish Pantera got Pat and kept the band
When was this interview?
2004
as much as I loved this band Phil was definitely the best front man. Dude was going through addiction and once Dime was killed Vinny Just couldn't get over it. Understandable but with all being said, I still have the side with Phil.
So now Phil has 'reformed' pantera, to clearly cash in...it's so sad.
This is sad as fuck
great
Piss on Phil, Rex, and the whole damn Faketera!! The Brothers are spinning in their graves!! 😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬😡🤬
People change. Period.
Shame that they do a Pantera "reunion". If Phil never left Pantera in the first place, Dime would probably still be alive. So kinda lame to do a reunion after that.
And yet, BOTH brothers nearly paid with their lives over this breakup.
I saw Phil on the street not long ago. I asked him one question. Are you happy you broke up Pantera? He rushed away looking confused and not ready for violent interaction. He knew it was a fight and not worth his wears as I stared into his soul and saw only empty shades of a man. It was recent as well 4/13/2024
😮😢 but why would u ask him that ….. how
@@ShesGotStuffToShare yeah that was a dick move on his part. The mans been thru enough. All the members of Pantera have
LOL, I guess some fans weren't so cool with it. 🤣
And now Phil is violating a dead mans wishes by cashing in on the Pantera name and real fans are disgusted and would never go to these shows.
Yet they are going.
And the Abbott family gave their blessing
It's funny how he corrects the guy about when he started drumming for pantera.
But wouldn't acknowledge those early albums as pantera albums.
Guy always twisted shit to suit his own narratives.
After seeing this, I’m even more pissed at the mockery of Pantera that exists in the form of Phil’s new band.
Fuhk that Pantera cover band going round nowadays 🎉🎉🎉
I love how Phil fckd the PanterA machine up & now he’s the one who’s making the most $ on it.
Phil made Pantera what it was.
@@LabiaLicker Phil definitely was tbe missing puzzle piece they needed and he brought the attitude. All im saying is that its fucked up how things work.
@@LabiaLickerWrong. The boys already wanted to go in a harder direction. Phil certainly played a major role in that, but to say "Phil made Pantera what it was" is a gross oversimplification.
@@all_invite_0hmYou didn't prove anyone wrong.
Before Phil, nobody cared about Pantera. They became huge after Phil became the singer. Therefore, he made Pantera was what it was, regardless if you like that or not. Simple logic.
Did the Abbott bros and Rex having something to do with that? Of course, but LabiaLicker didni't say that Phil acted alone. You inferred that.
@@LabiaLickerIdk man, Dimes guitar playing was always good, ever since the beginning of the band. Phill just brought some extra talent to the table. The reason Pantera was so great is there were 4 great musicians that all brought something to the table. It wasnt just one person that made the band great.
Phil got the vision back 💰🤑
Love Vinnie. So loved his brother and stuck to his word to do what was right to never play a Pantera song without his brother. Fk Phil and Rex
For those in the comments: it's a TRIBUTE, not a REUNION. Perhaps reading the ABBOTTS' ESTATE'S view on the tour, you can change your own.
Who cares about what the “estate” views are. They are not Dime or Vinnie. If its a tribute to Pantera and the brothers then they shouldnt be billing the tour/gigs as “Pantera”.
@@Spector06111 Their father is part of that estate.
@@sianefer-ptah1258 who cares 🤷🏻♂️ He isnt dime or vinnie. He just wants to make money off of it.
@@Spector06111 Father knows best.
@@sianefer-ptah1258 which is why vinnie and dime got rid of him taking a cut of their albums prior to cbfh
What a cool guy
I believe Phil Anselmo has no problem stepping on a dead man's grave, but Zac Wylde is going against Dime and Vinny's wishes is dirty as fuck. Just to grab a quick buck. They should truly be ashamed of themselves.