Harbor Freight 24 Gun Fire Safe vs the Champ of Budget Gun Safes!
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
- Harbor Freight 24 Gun Fire Safe vs the Champ of Budget Gun Safes!
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Congratulations on the Shop Jeff @The Den Of Tools
Just some extra precaution crooks will slide a flat metal slide into the side of the door to hit that reset button and open your safe with a new combo in 20sec...easy fix...crazy glue a hex nut bigger then the red button over the button to the door that way if they slide a metal slide on the side of the door they hit the hex nut the button will be covered. For added protection I taped a flat washer to the nut in case they use a hanger they can't get to the button. When you need to change the combo simply pull the tape and washer away from the nut put your finger into the hex nut and push the reset button and your done...make sure you put the flat washer back over the hex nut when your done...it works great!
"Remember there is no inflation" got my like.
Great vid was waiting to see how the interior was payed out. Thanks Jeff. I'm sold.
A lot of use just have safes to keep little fingers out. We don't need fire or theft protection. I'm glad you mentioned that subject👍
Padlock a closet maybe
@@wingerrrrrrrrr That's where I put my kids. So far, so good.
A lot of the insulation used in the fire protected safes actually caused your guns to rust faster than they would otherwise
A basement living space can be a good spot for a safe. If you do decide the basement is your preferred location, I do recommend carefully moving the safe into the basement. The safe rapidly self-locating to a lower level usually produces undesirable side effects.
I got one recently,,had it brought down my basement,,took 5mins to bring it down 12steps,,was more heavier then we thought,,almost dropped it 2 times,even after removing the door
@@Hondacuradude Perhaps *especially* if they are locked in a safe. Without air circulation the contents of the safe tend to be cooler than the rest of the basement and every time you open the door you let in more moist air which will condense on the contents.
I don't like a "dehumidifier" though. I recommend a small heater in the safe. One brand is "goldenrod". Usually they are somewhere in the 25w to 50w range which is much less power than a dehumidifier, doesn't rely on luck to "dehumidify" the safe while operating outside it, and I consider it 100% reliable.
Every safe I've seen has a small passthru for the cord. Just use firestop caulk (ideally) or something to fill the hole around the cord.
There is no “luck “ involved if you have a GOOD dehumidifier.
@@justing42 are you putting the dehumidifier in the safe? Is your safe rigged with positive pressure dry air? Otherwise luck determines the air in the safe. Physics owns you.
I tried moving a safe like this on my own, found out the hard way. You need like 2 strong men, preferably 3 to get these things moved around.
I like my stack-on locking cabinet. I think they're $250 or so. No fire rating obviously but it keeps the kids out.
Not really.
My neighbor asked me to help him unload a safe about this size from his truck last summer. His plan was to lay it down and slide it out then figure out how to get it in the garage afterwards. I changed that plan by telling him I'd be back in 10 minutes. 10 minutes later, I rolled up on my trusty old Cat 35 forklift. With nearly 30k hours on it, that Cat has probably been moving heavy stuff around since before dirt was invented. It's not pretty but it does what I need it to do and is definitely the best $1200 I've ever spent at an auction! As for the safe, it's now firmly and permanently sitting on 4" of fiber reinforced concrete.
Now this is a video I needed!
Thanks for the information.
Bought very similar safes over 2 Black Friday's the last couple years for $300 each.......glad to have made those purchases & in the market for a 3rd or else a much larger one come next house giving one of the current ones to my son. Liberty sells a great door hangar that latches to top & bottom of door trim no velcro 👍
More interested in the lock and bolt configuration. Is it a standard mount where I could install a mechanical lock?
I have it set up where my safe door can stop a smaller caliber round when I am behind it. Giving me a good layer of protection and access to all my guns and ammo.
MERICA!!!!
I was just told last night that I need a gun safe since they are all over my office now. Will have to look at these as a option.
I started with a 10 gun from Dicks before they went to the dark side. I was able to manage that one myself to get it in the house but it only took me a couple of years to out grow it. I went Liberty for a 25 gun and had it delivered. Two bear sized guys got it in with a heavy duty hydraulic lift and slip sticks but it wasn’t easy. The Liberty is built a lot better than the Dicks which is made of Chineseium. That one now is filled with my reloading supplies. You need room for those long range paper punchers.
I have the Liberty FatBoy Extreme and still have some room left for a couple new items. At 800 lbs dry and over 1500 filled and mounted to concrete slab.
@@johnnybbgunner2136 I got a Colonial 25. It was the biggest thing i could fit through my basement door. It's bolted through the concrete floor and I seem to remember it was about 600 lbs. I have 11 rifles and 7 pistols in it with room for more pistols and maybe a couple more rifles but the ARs take up a lot of room with scopes on them.
Uh ohhhhhhh
Is the door removable so the safe can be moved a little easier?
Can you do a buying guide for a bolt cutter?
Obscurity
Cardboard box.
Got that covered 👍😎
Finally a video on my kind of "safe space".
Like the Union with the key option!
I bought a gun cabinet at Rural King, went to pick it up and they loaded a 24-gun safe in the back of my truck. Didn't realize it until we got home.
Got the Winchester from Tractor Supply over this one. Same price, little nicer. Both are RSC’s as you mentioned. Just buying time.
Wow, I’ve never seen Red out of uniform before. Both appear pretty grizzly!
Personally, I like the non-cartoon version better. Cartoons remind me of someone I'll only refer to as YM. 'Nuff said! lol
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Retired/disabled LEO and are people aware that Harbor Freight has a policy to not allow ANY persons with firearms in their store to shop? Today I went to pick up some things that I called a head for and were waiting for me at the register (thanks Dana) and I usually get a shopping cart and then place my bag which has a firearm and identification and glasses and things in it in the cart. I go in the store and shop, pay and leave. The store had all the shopping carts outside locked up so I went in and asked if i can take a shopping cart from the store to put my bag in it? A women came over and asked what I wanted to do and why etc? I told her and that I am a regular customer. She said hold on then went away coming back shortly saying "no, the manager Dennis said no you can not use a shopping cart and can not bring your bag in the store". I asked for Dennis to come speak with me. He said he was a "US Marine" and has guns also. I said okay what is the problem here? He said he did not know what the store policy is (btw there are no signs indicating the policy, I took photos) but that because "he knows that I have a firearm in my bag that I can not use a cart or bring my bag in. I said that I also have a side arm currently while talking with him and then he looks at me and said "well I can't tell so you could come in but no bag or cart".! I pointed out that there are no signs with such a policy on the door and many people are just walking into the store with bags and even a guy walks his scooter in the door. Dennis said let me go make a call and I will come back and see you. I said okay and in the meantime I will call the Police because I would like to file a complaint and have a record. The police never came after 2 hours and Dennis never came back to talk with me. I think I understand why Harbor Freight does not reveal their policy. Mostly men shop there and the men are usually just regular guys who like tools, cars, guns and such. Posting an anti 2A policy on the door is not going to help them with their sales. It seems like their policy is if they don't know about it and don't tell customers that is good enough. I would bet though if anything ever happened in the store they would be doing quite a dance claiming they have a policy of no firearms. As for Dennis the "US Marine". Sad sell out and no honor claiming he would return to talk. In summary I am not saying people should not shop at Harbor Freight but when I can avoid it I will. China has enough of my money anyway
The best security happens in layers. Alarms cameras anything that increases the time it takes to acheive a clean theft. The $4000 safes can be stolen and opened at a different location, so difficulty and time to a accomplish is the key to security.
Liberty has videos of how quick the imported safes can be broken into. Litterally less than a minute with sledgehammers and crowbars but the first thing they usually do is knock them over so they can get leverage on the crowbars so make sure you bolt your safe down. One drawback is exposed hinges.
@@scottyV1000 that’s if they can actually get a crowbar into the seam of the door. I can’t even get a piece of paper in the seam of the safe I got.
@@MrTopflight29 Pretty much any gun safe is breakable if you aren't concerned with noise or time. All you need is an angle grinder and a cutoff wheel. You just have to go in from the back or sides - there all you have is relatively thin sheet metal to cut through with a layer of cement board behind that. The mistake is trying to get the door open because that is the strongest point of the safe. Of course you are going to mess up any guns in there and it will take a fair amount of time which most thieves don't have.
@@scottyV1000 I know that, but if you actually spend the money on a safe that is actually made like it should be, it will take more than a cutoff wheel to get into it. The majority of the safes are classified as home security lockers and the “safe” companies know this.
Agree 100%. Besides cameras etc....Think best kind of safe proabably is have a walk in safe built in your house with a real bank vault door on it, with cement walls etc....But most average people cannot afford something like that.
Any of those things with an electronic lock that has a key bypass are not going to keep a teenager out. Bosnian Bill just did a review on a safe/RSC from Stealth that had a really good Sargent and Greenleaf lock on it with no wafer or tubular lock bypass, and if I recall correctly it was cheaper than this one.
I still love my Stealth box with the simplex lock on it. 1/8" steel body, 3/16" on the lid, with anti-drill plates and no stinking batteries.
Obviously any safe is better than no safe. But a safe is one of those “buy the best you can afford” kinda items. Also seems no matter how big you buy, you’ll need another.
Yeah my dad had one of those cheap thin cabinet ones my house got robbed and they busted into it took everything lol
People Always cheap out on the wrong things. He needed uo buying the better one and that one at the cost of a lot of his guns as well smh
A Miata is a very practical daily car 😎 Love your very informative videos 🤘🏻
Until you eat a truck bumper for lunch
I like the 40 Ridgeline one you got Way Better because it has the door Pockets over Then the Union 24 to be honest jeff @The Den Of Tools
"There marketing department showed a lot of self control." Cracked me up.
This video is just in time for the sale🤪
Gotta love the AlGore-ithym 🤦🏻
Nice vid!!!!!!!!!!!!
🤣 got my miata out back, lol! i would do that. "i'll just put the top down... whu?"
In the market for a safe. When I saw den of tools had a video comparing HF to the top I clicked it first
Wait so you're talking me harbor freight actually sent you out the safe? I've been trying to get harbor freight to send me stuff out for a wile and I can't get ahold of anyone.
Who's your connect?!
Send me an email at red@denoftools.com and I'll reach out to them.
not sure why the dimensions are stating its 22 1/4 deep when the one i have is actually 20 1/4 deep, if they are adding the handle that seems like a false representation of the dimensions, i have a winchester that says 20 deep and its 20 deep
Great to see this. I was so close to buying from SecureIt but have ultimately decided to get a more traditional safe. I need one by the time the paperwork comes back for my OSS silencer (HXQD556). 3 months and 20 days into my wait… but who’s counting? I have never heard of those fire bags. Definitely looking into that, as I certainly don’t trust the fire ratings. I’d imagine that in all honesty you can get just about the same effectiveness as a more expensive safe if you just take a cheaper one and make sure to bolt it down real well but I’m digging the ones you’ve shown here. Actually very reasonable prices and I also added the motion lights to the inside of my current one.
What is the weight ? Maybe you said it but I guess I missed it
Will be watching your Friday Parade! Jeff. Don't forget some shade on ur float plus Sunscreen & water for the family. ALSO.. new safe looks perfect for your new yard sale "size 12 food retrieval tool" !👍😁
Perfect
Or you can try Sportsman's Warehouse, Cabelas, etc...
Thanks for the video, stupid store and it locked. I’m a fan of the smaller but the layout is something to adjust too
I thought Big R stores became the now defunct Stock & Field.
I purchased my harbor freight gun cabinet about 6-7 years ago for $299 with the coupon I am so satisfied I can't foresee anyone being able to easily break into it since it has bolts all the way around the door... I also have it bolted to the wall and floor.... The dirty Little secret on the expensive fireproof safes are they can be breached through the side with a cutting tool in 15 minutes.. the fireproofing in a hot fire your guns will still be charred... So a harbor freight gun cabinet is all I need.... I also wanted a small gun cabinet for my closet so I can have my shotgun nearby in the bedroom.. I purchased a barska..combo biometric fingerprint/ and keypad.. 3 rifle cabinet.. again I don't foresee anyone being able to easily break into it especially with the house alarm wailing..
If you trust junk, that’s all that matters
Most home invaders aren't carrying cutting tools and whatnot though
@@JJ_SDWR they will, if they want to get the valuables found in a safe.
They don't need a plasma cutter. a dirt cheap grinder with a good blade will do the trick
Looks like a decent safe for the price. Calm down people you cant touch a liberty level safe for cheap. Thumbs up Bear
very true. I could have 5+ of these for the cost of my Liberty safe. For the price, it ain't bad. For piece of mind, you may desire a better option like I did.
@@hytekrednekbama4400 You can get some pretty nice paint jobs on Liberties too so they can fit in well in a living area.
I bought a similar cannon 30 gun safe from Academy on sale for $599. Its as big or bigger than the harbour freight safe. I got it in and out of my Lexus rx-350. I took it out by myself and I'm 62. Its clearly an RSC, not a safe!
I bought the 10 gun electronic Union safe got it for 275 with coupons 2 years ago haven’t changed the 🔋 once always use the code to get in never use the key 🔑 no issues so far 😀the same size safe at Dicks sporting goods was 700 I’m super happy with it no complaints at all I open it a few times every months great buy for the price I drilled it to the studs n concrete floor in my basement it ain’t going no where 🤣🤙🏽
Does 23" deep include the handle on the union.
No
So harbor freight had it on sale yesterday for $487 for memorial day one day only. Regular price $649 25% off....I looked all over AZ & LV no one had it except one dealer in LV he had one left last one drove 3 hrs to get it. Great safe I bought it because my buddy's house got broken into and they tried and tried to get into it prying the door all over couldn't get in. They did get into his liberty safe was a smaller version of this one so I figured for the price and proven hard to crack I bought it...great video too!
And after 6-months, the HF is up to $649...
$679 now
26 gun safe means 11 rifles and 4 ✋ guns unless you want your guns all rubbing on each other.
No desiccant or drying thingee in your safe? Just curious, I live in a humid area so I'm drying that damn thing every month.
Desiccant pack is in the back on the bottom.
You can also get heated drier rods that mount on the back wall - you do need a 110 volt pass through though. They keep the inside temperature slightly higher than the outside which prevents moist outside air from getting drawn into the safe. I use both the rod and deccicant and my safe stays under 50% humidity.
@@scottyV1000 Thought about it but no power source available nearby.
@@RayW808 Yes, I know what you mean - I had to put an outlet above the safe but I'm pretty good at adding outlets.
Just bolting it to a plywood floor is not secure enough. Uncle had his ripped out through window by someone with a truck. Use some sort of metal attachment.
If they want it that bad, they're going to get it anyway. Even if anchored in concrete they can be removed. Or just cut through with power tools. I've seen ATM's with 8 big concrete anchors run into parking lot islands and weighing north of 3,000 lbs be stolen. At some point, if they want it and have the time they can get it. For these things, if they really want in them, they'll just cut through them or get some big pry bars. Just search youtube and people can break these things in just a few minutes with normal tools. These types of safes are deterrents only to the unmotivated. And that's fine. They will never be perfectly secure.
@Eugene Cam Basement causes an egress problem he didn't seem to have with the talk of pulling through a window. I worked in bank operations supporting things like ATMs and other vaults, and I've seen concrete and anchors be defeated on video before the police could respond and ATMs be completely stolen from the site. These were ATMs designed for external use weighing 3000lbs plus. Taken with a stolen piece of jobsite equipment in one case.
Also have seen lots of failures as well, including one that started an electrical fire that burnt out the whole branch. But hey, the ATM vault survived.
Remember, security through obscurity. That sounds like someone who know what they were looking for.
Probably the people he bought his gold and silver bars and coins from. Or at least someone working there. Hell you have to be suspicious of other customers pretending to do business waiting for someone to come in buy or sell something leave with gold or cash follow them home. You must be aware at all times people are more desperate now than ever.
But for 599 you can spend a few more bucks and snag a name brand safe. If you catch them at the right time
If you buy things because they are "name brands" all you are doing is believing their marketing. Especially at this price level as most are not even built by that name brand.
Now out of stock till Feb and $50 more at $649 😩
Maybe 16 gun, not 24 gun especially if they are scoped or mil surps with straight bolt handles.
Most safe companies fluff their marketing. As if they can get 24 hatfield break actions in it, then it fits 24ish.
Whatever they say the capacity is, devide by 2.
Yup, like when I was younger and camping. 4 man dome tent. Sleeps 2. Always go bigger.
Where is the Bear 🐻 ???
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doesn't have ether key... sneaks over to swipe the battery now and then, hehehe...
😂😂 Everytime I hear ur voice I see that dammm bear 😂😂😂
I bought it's brother for $515 2 weeks ago at a farmstore
Will the Bear be dancing in the parade?
I figure I could fit at LEAST a hundred lady-Derringers in there.
Bear with us.....😆😂
Shine on
Bought one of their smaller safes to keep my silver bars and nazi gold in.
It would be cool if you really had those.
Please be cautions with gun safes. I bought one from Costco for my daughter's family. They had a house fire. The gasket failed and smoke got inside and ruined many of the items. Had I known I would have known better. I was thinking general safety and not of fire. A bad gasket can cost you the contents in a fire. Do your research carefully. Don't make the mistake I made. Had I known, and made sure of the fire gasket material, they would not have lost so many valuable family heirlooms.
Also why I mentioned the use of a fire safe.
Was it protecting guns or smaller items that might fit in a small fire safe?
Rural king sold this under a different name 5 years ago for $300.
My computer froze up
That is not a 24 gun safe unless they are all handguns. I have a Stack-On of just about the same size and it holds 12 long arms...barely
None of these are rated correctly but the Ridgeline I have claimed, get this, 40 guns!!! lol.
@@denoftools hey, it might hold 40 little crickets. They are technically a long gun! 😉
the bear has teeth he he
Why is bear using a human filter?
If the safe is in compliance with the regulations of the California Department of Justice, it is not permissible to store magazines with a capacity exceeding 10 rounds inside the safe lol so you are limited lol
Creepy hands-on with the safe. Lot of heavy breathing...trying to make a horror movie??
You laugh about your bad joke regarding the Miata out back. Several years ago I gave away a large number of bricks left over from a remodel project. Enough to fill a 5 x 8 trailer 12 inches high. The guy show up in a Honda Element with a 5 x 10 utility trailer to haul them approximately 40 miles. Trailer tires had to be aired up. No side boards for the trailer. Some folks have never dealt with reality of physics or save motoring!
I remember picking up a ton of wood pellets on my F150 while the guy next to me was trying to stuff the same ton of 40lb bags in his Tahoe. He had the whole back filled up to the roof plus every seat except the driver's seat piled high and he still had to find room for a few more bags.
Tell me that this is NOT the house to attempt a B&E at without telling me this is NOT the house to attempt a B&E at...lol
Rule one, put an American flag out front. FBI study of people convicted of home invasions showed that most of them avoided a house that had the flag out front.
@@denoftools Another good flag to fly is the Gadsden Flag. If they see that it's a pretty good sign you are a gun owner as well.
If you're wanting a safe for fire protection or theft, get a Liberty or some other high quality safe. Don't buy this cheap stuff as they just won't stand up to a real fire or attack. If you're wanting a safe to keep things away from kids then these are fine.
You gotta research each product as many of those "fireproof" safes are thin gage steel with drywall sandwiched in the middle. Sure they might be pretty or have cool lights, but can it survive a full burndown of the house its in? No.
I Have This Safe It’s a Bargain I Can Recommend it 100% got Mine For 499.00 with Inside Track Membership 😀🎃😀
Shortly after making this vid I found out the other company stopped making their safe so that pretty much leave the HF as the only one of this size at that price point.
LIBERTY SAFE COMPANY is by far the best. My safe came with power outlet, cat-5, USB, and a dehumidifier and digital lock I went with LIBERTY because of the quality and there warranty also of the weight 600lbs empty and as I didn't want a cheaply made safe that weights less then 200lbs empty and can walk away by its self anything happens to my LIBERTY SAFE, IE like fire, water damage or even a break-in or attempt I will get a new one free
The Union Safe weighs 380lbs, not less than 200lbs.
The fact that you promote a RSC is crazy. The entire reason for a safe is your for security to protect your valuables. Those big box stores safes are easily cut into with a Sawzall. As for the fire protect most gun safes and vaults will still have a lot of damage in a fire. Fires are extremely hot, far beyond what most safes are rated for .
I've seen safes cut into in 10 minutes with a grinder and a disc. And I've seen how little "real" safes do in actual fires. Stop drinking the kool aid/marketing. If you want real fire protection use a fire bag in the safe and the best security is obscurity.
@The Den of Tools if your spending $600 on a safe, you're wasting your money. You are not buying a good safe for fire protection your buying a good safe for time. Your just buying time. The better the safe = more time. Anyone with a brain knows this. If you really want to get into a safe you can . It's about slowing them down and you can't be at your house every sec of the day......
@@pineychristian yes and you’re making my point for me. There’s no need to invest a ton of money on anything other than an RSC because you’ll get more value from a good security system, a dog, and obscurity.
@The Den of Tools yup totally get it just I would rather have a better safe to make it as difficult as possible to get into. Have you seen meth heads act? They can't keep on one thing for more than 5 mins . Totally understand your point but, there are some good safes for the money you just need to spend a little more and your quality goes up. I do have a very good security/ camera system but won't rely on just that. 👍😉
I just can't bring myself to trust electronic locks on a safe...and have a bypass key...too insecure... electronics fail....key locks are easily pickable. My safe is old school... strictly mechanical combination.
You might not want to say, but what is it? I've looked at safes and it's hard to find a combo that DOESN'T also have a key. Ok, don't tell me what you have, but just tell me what brand I might LOOK AT! ;-)
@@dgunearthed7859 Liberty manuals have a key but it is only to lock the dial - the key won't get you into the safe. Another thing I've noticed with cheaper safes with manual combination locks is there is a fair amount of slop to the combination so you don't have to get right on the numbers - that's not the case with Liberty. Liberty also uses a 4 number combination instead of the 3 most safes use. If you miss, you get to start over. You get good with practice.
@@scottyV1000 Hey I appreciate the info. Good to know! Just so I know, then we can probably assume then the Liberty's are the best for their price-point?
I'd argue that pretty much any safe is a good bet as long as it has the space you need, and is secured in such a way as to not allow a thief the proper leverage to work it open. All the safe cracking videos you see are done with complete, uninhibited 360 access. Bolt that sucker into a concrete floor and bolt it into the wall, and it will take WAY to much effort and time to spring.
All of these crappy safes come out of the same factory made of Chinesium. Thank you for calling them "residential security containers" since a true gun safe will cost five times the price. Looks like a great bargain for most homeowners.
I didn't think you guy's over there in America used gun safes lol.
Hi from Australia.
We have to store all firearms in safes and the police have records on where all guns are stored.
Some more liberal states have storage requirements but it's just a good idea in general to lock your arms up as long as you can get to them quickly. You don't want your kids or their friends to get into them and you certainly don't want your expensive guns stolen. We just don't like the government telling us what we can and cannot do.
I can taste the tyranny on the back of my tongue
Okay I see.
Safe is a smart option, but your gun laws are shit. Beautiful country and nice folks though.
Fuk that
Safes with key lock over ride completely defeat the purpose, anyone who can pick a lock can pick the safe, it’s no more secure than a lock box.
what brand, if you know, has a combo without a key?
If you think lock picking is a skill that is fairly common you have seen too many movies.
@@denoftools
But there are some, however that’s not really the point, the point is that the presence of the key override negates the combination lock, the combination lock at that point isn’t really a lock at all but just a keyless entry system, rendering it pointless, I.E. it’s really just a fancy lock box at that point and would be functionally no different than if the combination lock were not present at all. The combination lock serves only to give the illusion of higher security, it has no functional purpose due to the key override, that was my point.
@@denoftools Especially with those round keys.
The Den of Tools it’s not that hard and there are plenty of shady locksmiths who can easily defeat them. The guy selling them at the store has probably been contacted by one or more. Real burglars work for security companies and locksmiths or at casinos as pit bosses. They are quite sophisticated. Remember the movie Casino Pesci’s character said his crew got all their tips from the insurance guy. It’s a crooked world.
Electronic safes easy to open using a rare earth magnet!
Yeah, that's small fire safes, not stuff like these.
@@denoftools I have seen it done big and small safes! 3 inch rare earth magnet works Every time sorry to say. Also two pry bars in under 2 minutes!
@@denoftools I have a few sentry safes and they did have a recall for that and came out with a retrofit kit. The problem with that was in installing the retrofit kit I learned how really cheap the locking systems are in these safes. There is a lot of plastic involved and you can probably get into one with a propane torch just by burning out the lock.
On average, the cost of the security cabinet should cost around 10% of the cost of the items that are placed in it.
Math
$10,000 of stuff = $1,000 for the "safe"
Logic.
What is the basis for this calculation?
i bought a steelwater and do not regret it. i now would not keep my firearms in anything lesser than that. id buy a lesser brand for things like gear and whatnot but not my guns. for $750 it blows this union pos out of the water. if its all you can afford i get it but honestly whats an extra hundred or two to keep thousands of dollars worth of stuff that much safer? better steel, higher and longer fire rating AND they delivered it free of charge.
Not a real safe. There just glorified lockers where a combination lock.
For $600, it's a viable option. The (Liberty) ProVault 18 is $100 more and it has thinner 14 gauge steel vs 11 on the Union Safe.
@@nfavor
www.brownsafe.com/estate-safes/index.html
These are real safes .
This is a cheap bottom end safe. You get what you pay for. It will keep you guns safe from kids and even a small fire. I good burglar can get into this safe in less than 5 minutes easy. If you do not bolt it down, they will just drag it away. If you have some expensive guns, percious metals, jewelry, papers, etc. then go buy a quality safe for a few dollars more. I like this safe but would not keep very expensive guns in it or they will end up gone with a good burglar or intense fire.
The first part of your comment is legit but "just drag it away"? Nope, I have moved two of these and I'm a big strong dude. No one is running off with this unless they came with a pickup, you didn't bolt it down AND left a dolly sitting next to it. As to fire, we use fire proof bags inside the same for the smaller stuff that really needs the extra level of protection. If the safe and burn bags won't save it not much would. Bolt it down and have at least two walls adjacent and you should be safe against anyone who wasn't coming knowing their was a safe.
I have a liberty safe about 1400 dollars today and my shelter dog brutus. Brutus is great dane mastiff rottweiler mix. 140 lbs. My grand children can oull his tounge etc. Please do not try this yourself.
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With all the stuff you're going to put in it, why cheap out on it? Seriously, 24 guns at a average price of $500 ea = $12,000. And you're going to put that in a $500 safe? Ugh
My guns are in my good safe. My ammo is in my cheap box store safe. Guys will spend $2000 on a gun and then buy a cheap ass safe. Seriously?
Just speaking for myself. Seems like most things from Harbor Freight is very low poor quality. Not to mention probably 99% of it comes from China or another country.
Seems like most of these safes, yes many of them are fire resistance to some point which is good I guess, but they are mainly designed to keep out little kids or unwanted guest and or keep out certain family members that might go to your house, which you probably don't want, during the holidays or when ever.
(1). Think best 2 things is house alarm that alerts local police station, hopefully cops will do their job and go there if needed. (2). And other one is a walk in safe with a real bank vault door like banks and rich wealthy people like Trump, pro atheletes, doctors etc..... have on it is the best, which most average people cannot afford, or don't want or cannot afford take a loan out to build one etc....
But I did price the custom bank vault doors out to build a bank custom made safe door vault myself, and during that time they were around $8,000.00 to $10,000.00 just for the bank vault door as the starting point. Not unless you just have a common steel door on it with just like a pad lock or somekind of a door lock on it. But most criminals probably can get through that. That does not include prices on poured cement or cylinder block walls etc....around it, electrical or style you want around or inside the safe thats probably is in a basement, if your not in a southern state etc......
Gun safes are way to important to me. I will own nothing but Liberty safes forward.
Sorry that you've been fooled by good marketing. Liberty are not quality.
@@dougprentice1363 I'll make sure to tell my police officer friends and family that they should return their checks from the Liberty Safe marketing department.
@@TheBlueCollarConservative lol. Check the steel ga of liberty. It's hard to find, because they don't post it on their site. Check out a video that show how easy they are to pry open.
I came very close to buying a liberty.
Edit: I should have stated that the highest end models look decent. But the name liberty does not mean it's a good product.
If safes are important to you, you should buy a safe instead of a Liberty RSC.
Rocky, your comment is trolling and we don't allow that here. While Liberty does sell some cheaper branded RSC models most liberty safes are just that, UL rated safes.
These honestly should not be called Gun Safes but rather "Gun Cabinets".
Gun Cabinets are already a thing. They are those metal boxes that lock with a key bit.ly/3w6Ecpl
@@denoftools I am certainly aware of that. I am saying these basically are the same thing. No intent of starting an argument though - just another man's opinion. The walls on that safe are paper thin (less than 1/10 of an inch) and there's no mention of how much steel is in the door. I like to see more transparency in what I'm buying before purchasing a discount "safe" that's really may as well be a cabinet. I just have a problem with the marketing. They call them safes to make them seem "more secure" but you could break that thing open within 30 sec with a hammer
Harbor Freight is crap, don’t buy.
Check out the green store, Menards sku 4805111