Nice video, and photos turned out well. I like the noir look. You can't beat going out for drinks, shooting film, and getting your buddy to hold/shoot video for you also. I will always vote for that. Would love to see Pentax 67 and Delta 3200 if you do another. Peace!
Lots of comments on the film and developer choice but no comments about the whisky choice? Ilford is always my choice for film and I agree with the DDX comments. It brings out the best in pushed HP5, that's for sure. Islay malts are always my choice for whisky and I'm pleased to see that some yanks actually realise that proper whisky comes from Scotland and not Tennessee! Not sure about the Japanese bottle though, never much cared for the Yamazaki etc. Laphroaig, Caol Ila and Lagavulin all day long though. Kudos.
well I've shot Delta 3200 at box speed and was happy with my results but might have to try shooting a roll at 6400. grain doesn't worry me as I like it. as far as whisky goes, there is only Scotch as far as I'm concerned. my preference are single malts, blended whisky's just dont seem the have the smoothness the single malts do,especially those that have been aged a bit longer.
I tend never to use the presets in the software like Silverfast or VueScan with pushed film, I just scan them in as is and adjust exposure (one or two stops depending) and contrast accordingly in Lightroom as I would with filters in the Darkroom. Only really minimal tweaking that takes less than a minute and a few clicks. I use a Nikon Coolscan currently, pushed film will scan in very flat, but I believe that's because the scanner is bringing up the shadows to mid-tones you just have to pull that back to the point where the darkest point is black in Lightroom (if that's what you want, some like washed out shadows). If you've ever had print made for pushed black and white negatives at a mini lab that uses an automated machine, I believe that is what is happening, the automation creates a 'balanced curve' bringing up the underexposed shadow detail, nothing like the one that comes out of the darkroom. The machine producing bland grey and dull prints the darkroom results having the rich inky blacks and punchy mid-tones you get from pushed film. Chemically printing pushed film can be an exercise. Even though scans are basically now a digital image, Lightroom lets you see development in real time. No endless test strips. Digitising is a blessing and a curse, but I value the darkroom print most of all. There is a *lot* of information lost and altered during scanning. nothing that you might particularly notice at internet resolutions, but it's akin to stripping varnish from wood for me. There is also a real issue of 'grain aliasing' with certain films and scanners. I doubted it at first when I read about it, but now when I see a fine grained 100 speed T-Max film scan looking like it's 400 Tri-X there is something not right. Like I said, I personally don't touch the presets, and all I can say is that the resulting processed scans are very close to the prints I made over 10 years ago when I look at them at monitor resolution.
I visited a good buddy in Syracuse in 2018 and was SO MAD at myself😜for only bringing my Sony A7rII and NOT my Mamiya645 or my Nikon F2-there is SO MUCH film photography subject matter in that town!!
I think they came out nice, I bet you could go even higher in the right developer. I've pushed HP5+ to 3200 with DDX and it looked really nice... I know you can push Delta 3200 to 25600 with DDX, I'd love to see a vid about that in medium format!
Ive pushed it to 8-10,000 in DDX - lots of grain for sure but I think the pictures would have been impossible to capture with any other film, and despited the grain I really like the photos from that roll.
I pushed it to 8-10,000 once - like you said lots of grain. But I actually like the photos from that roll quite a lot. I think that it would have been impossible to take such photos with any other film. Certainly a film that isn't for everybody because there is a lot of grain, not my go to film but I do keep some in the freezer for those times where I really just need the speed. Not my favorite stock but most definitely has its uses.
I'm a new subscriber and have enjoyed going through videos recently! I've have learned a lot so far and I like how well written each episode is. The storytelling sucked me in right away! Your images turned out well with this film. Looking forward to more content!
That bar looks like my kind of place! I’ve shot a few rolls of this stuff. I really like it. For that sensitivity it feels like the gradation was really nice. :)
Like your videos, keep it up Erik. But this confirmed for me at least that 6400 and probably 3200 on 35mm is just too grainy for me to enjoy the images.
Grain, something I always hated "back in the day". Now, (Older and wiser? NOT.) I find myself digging out my old Canon's, literally two days ago, and WANTING to create some grainy B&W images. Ones like I shot in high school photography class, on a Pentax Spotmatic. There were a couple of shots in there that "I" thought the massive graininess added to the shot. Others, not so much. Being that I only want to purchase ONE roll of 35mm B&W film, leaving in less than a week, and with nothing that even resembles a "local" camera shop within 100+ miles, it appears my dreams have been dashed. At least until my next trip in August. That will give me time to do more research and find some film on line. I loved this video and would like to see more B&W related videos.
Great video as always. I started with Delta 100. I found it tricky to hold highlights and shadows. I guess that’s the look this particular film has. I’ve since switched to divided Pyrocat HD so it will be interesting to see how it reacts to this staining developer. Keep up the great work!
The images all exhibit some significant loss of shadow detail. At first, given the argument that Delta 3200 is already subject to a 1 1/2 stops push to get to 3200, I suspected that a further push to 6400 was just not functional. However, Erik refers to development in D-76, 1:1, at 13 minutes. 13 minutes is the process time for D-76 use straight stock; 26 minutes is the recommended processing time used 1:1 (both Ilford and MDC). Maybe the apparent loss of shadow detail and speed here results from accidental under-development?? [To further complicate, Ilford's time for this push is taken from the MDC and not verified by them. The jump from 13 to 26 minutes for a one stop push not only seems questionable on its face, it is hugely different than the additional time for this push confirmed for other developers. I suspect that the 26 minute process time published by MDC is just plain bogus info as well.]
Have you tried Ilfotec DD-X? Supposedly excellent for pushing, producing lower grain and sharper images. It's the only BW developer I've ever used, so honestly have never compared to anything else. I have pushed Tri-X to 1600 and Hp5 to 3200 with it with great results.
I shot Delta 3200 at box speed when I first got into shooting film about 4 years ago. I was a little put off by the grain in 35mm format at the time and didn't come back to it. I don't think the grain has changed any since then, but my attitude toward it definitely has. I should get a couple of rolls and push it a stop like this while we still have some weeks of winter light left. Thanks for the video, just got turned on to your channel.
I have only shot it once. I shot it at 1600 and developed in D76 stock as the 3200 time on the box. I lones the results. I have another box of it and will try the same thing again but in ilfosol3. I also want to try it on medium format I have seen beautiful results.
Great video. I think yours is a common problem with delta32 (shot at box or pushed)... I’ve spent hours in the darkroom trying to make prints shot on delta32 (correctly exposed at 3200) with minimum success.... it’s difficult to work with... making adjustments in silverfast or lightroom really betrays how difficult the film is to actually print... I’ve seen it pulled back to 1200 or 1000asa with useable results... next time you use it, try pulling it... you might dig the outcome. 👍
This is one of my favorites films. When my son was born 3 months ago i shot five rolls of this film in the hospital. I shot it mostly at 1600 and developed it in Ilfotec HC. I loved the grainstructure. I think smooth would be an apropriate word to describe it. :) Anyhow; great video and beautiful shots. :) I would love to see you shoot portraits on delta 3200 in 120. Just to see what a someone as skilled as you can do with it. Edit: Yes, there is a ton of grain. But print this film on paper and you will not notice. I printed a ton of pictures of my fiancee and son to give to family and friends, and the grain was so smooth.
Back in the day, when I was shooting B&W film, 97% of it was shot on Ilford. And for almost everything, Ilford's Microphen was my developer of choice, also great for pushing. And for fine grain, there was Ilford's Perceptol. I urge you to try them out, since they are still available...
Ahhh it's a alien, shooting laser beams out of his eyes! LoL Nice review, and great results processing the photos. I've read Delta 3200 is actually a 1000 speed film. I bet it would work great exposed at 800, developed at box speed.
Its between 1000 and 2000 and the development times gives it a slight push. I would have just favored the shadows a bit more in metering but I think they came out pretty nice. Developing in DDX would help a bit too since it'll give you a half stop base ISO boost before pushing.
I think what he means is an extra two stops of develop time? If you metered at 6400, but only pished one stop thinking box speed is actually 3200 instead of 1000, it would explain why a lot of the pics came out apparently underexposed and lower contrast. Unless you did push 2.5 stops in developer and this is just how they came out?
What Epson scanner do you use ? And I think I heard you say you silver fast as the software to scan is that better than the Epson software that comes with the scanner ?
I think the grain in the shadows and midtones are more pleasing on the Kodak T-Max 3200. I've struggled with the exact same thing you describe in the video myself, but I've switched to the T-Max now and I like that one a lot. Just wish they made it in medium format!
Really enjoyed this episode Erik! Nice storytelling showing the bars and all the stuff going on behind the images. Syracuse sure looks like a great town! When I finish the Tmax roll in my Minolta X300 I will find the courage to sent you some of my pictures for your viewer submission video. So I can finally tell you a little bit about myself (and won't be "just a random guy" stalking you on social media haha) and my photo's!
Erik Wahlstrom ok let me clarify. My comment didn’t say you as an individual don’t go to the woods. I was speaking on behalf of my own personal preference.
Yes, 3200 is basically a grainy film. But when I print it on paper, I don't see any grain at all. If you just scan and put it on a monitor, it's possible you'll see some. If the contrast and exposure are optiimal, it will minimize its appearance. That said, it's still a great film. What other film would allow you to take night shots without a tripod?
awesome results!
Nice video, and photos turned out well. I like the noir look. You can't beat going out for drinks, shooting film, and getting your buddy to hold/shoot video for you also. I will always vote for that. Would love to see Pentax 67 and Delta 3200 if you do another. Peace!
Lots of comments on the film and developer choice but no comments about the whisky choice? Ilford is always my choice for film and I agree with the DDX comments. It brings out the best in pushed HP5, that's for sure. Islay malts are always my choice for whisky and I'm pleased to see that some yanks actually realise that proper whisky comes from Scotland and not Tennessee! Not sure about the Japanese bottle though, never much cared for the Yamazaki etc. Laphroaig, Caol Ila and Lagavulin all day long though. Kudos.
well I've shot Delta 3200 at box speed and was happy with my results but might have to try shooting a roll at 6400. grain doesn't worry me as I like it. as far as whisky goes, there is only Scotch as far as I'm concerned. my preference are single malts, blended whisky's just dont seem the have the smoothness the single malts do,especially those that have been aged a bit longer.
Clicked on the video because I could tell it was Ale’s from the thumbnail. Go Orange!
I tend never to use the presets in the software like Silverfast or VueScan with pushed film, I just scan them in as is and adjust exposure (one or two stops depending) and contrast accordingly in Lightroom as I would with filters in the Darkroom. Only really minimal tweaking that takes less than a minute and a few clicks. I use a Nikon Coolscan currently, pushed film will scan in very flat, but I believe that's because the scanner is bringing up the shadows to mid-tones you just have to pull that back to the point where the darkest point is black in Lightroom (if that's what you want, some like washed out shadows). If you've ever had print made for pushed black and white negatives at a mini lab that uses an automated machine, I believe that is what is happening, the automation creates a 'balanced curve' bringing up the underexposed shadow detail, nothing like the one that comes out of the darkroom. The machine producing bland grey and dull prints the darkroom results having the rich inky blacks and punchy mid-tones you get from pushed film.
Chemically printing pushed film can be an exercise. Even though scans are basically now a digital image, Lightroom lets you see development in real time. No endless test strips. Digitising is a blessing and a curse, but I value the darkroom print most of all. There is a *lot* of information lost and altered during scanning. nothing that you might particularly notice at internet resolutions, but it's akin to stripping varnish from wood for me. There is also a real issue of 'grain aliasing' with certain films and scanners. I doubted it at first when I read about it, but now when I see a fine grained 100 speed T-Max film scan looking like it's 400 Tri-X there is something not right.
Like I said, I personally don't touch the presets, and all I can say is that the resulting processed scans are very close to the prints I made over 10 years ago when I look at them at monitor resolution.
I visited a good buddy in Syracuse in 2018 and was SO MAD at myself😜for only bringing my Sony A7rII and NOT my Mamiya645 or my Nikon F2-there is SO MUCH film photography subject matter in that town!!
Some nice shots Erik. I wouldnt mind a vid on 3200 @ box speed on 120!
+andrewirobinson definitely. The camera store only had 35mm so I grabbed it on a whim.
Nothing's wrong with the mic :). I'm going to europe two weeks from. Definitely gonna try some night shots with this thing. Love the grain in it
+Michel Oliveira thank you! Definitely give it a try, Michel.
As always, Erik, you inspire me to get out of my ISO 100 rut! Good video. Keep 'em coming.
way to much gainy softness for me, looks like you had a fuyn night though
4:02 I don't know what is it, but this pic really resonates with me. Very cool video, would like to see more Delta 3200.
I think they came out nice, I bet you could go even higher in the right developer. I've pushed HP5+ to 3200 with DDX and it looked really nice... I know you can push Delta 3200 to 25600 with DDX, I'd love to see a vid about that in medium format!
+Joseph Delgadillo I'll definitely give it a shot. What would you recommend as a good low light film?
Ive pushed it to 8-10,000 in DDX - lots of grain for sure but I think the pictures would have been impossible to capture with any other film, and despited the grain I really like the photos from that roll.
I pushed it to 8-10,000 once - like you said lots of grain. But I actually like the photos from that roll quite a lot. I think that it would have been impossible to take such photos with any other film. Certainly a film that isn't for everybody because there is a lot of grain, not my go to film but I do keep some in the freezer for those times where I really just need the speed. Not my favorite stock but most definitely has its uses.
I'm a new subscriber and have enjoyed going through videos recently! I've have learned a lot so far and I like how well written each episode is. The storytelling sucked me in right away! Your images turned out well with this film. Looking forward to more content!
That bar looks like my kind of place!
I’ve shot a few rolls of this stuff. I really like it. For that sensitivity it feels like the gradation was really nice. :)
“Drank some drinks” 👨🏻🔬
T ell us what are your treasures in the background.
Like your videos, keep it up Erik. But this confirmed for me at least that 6400 and probably 3200 on 35mm is just too grainy for me to enjoy the images.
Grain, something I always hated "back in the day". Now, (Older and wiser? NOT.) I find myself digging out my old Canon's, literally two days ago, and WANTING to create some grainy B&W images. Ones like I shot in high school photography class, on a Pentax Spotmatic. There were a couple of shots in there that "I" thought the massive graininess added to the shot. Others, not so much.
Being that I only want to purchase ONE roll of 35mm B&W film, leaving in less than a week, and with nothing that even resembles a "local" camera shop within 100+ miles, it appears my dreams have been dashed. At least until my next trip in August. That will give me time to do more research and find some film on line.
I loved this video and would like to see more B&W related videos.
+PBSalfen Images thanks so much. It was mostly just an experiment to take some 35mm out in low light and see what I got. Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video as always. I started with Delta 100. I found it tricky to hold highlights and shadows. I guess that’s the look this particular film has. I’ve since switched to divided Pyrocat HD so it will be interesting to see how it reacts to this staining developer. Keep up the great work!
Awsome, thank you.
The images all exhibit some significant loss of shadow detail. At first, given the argument that Delta 3200 is already subject to a 1 1/2 stops push to get to 3200, I suspected that a further push to 6400 was just not functional. However, Erik refers to development in D-76, 1:1, at 13 minutes. 13 minutes is the process time for D-76 use straight stock; 26 minutes is the recommended processing time used 1:1 (both Ilford and MDC). Maybe the apparent loss of shadow detail and speed here results from accidental under-development?? [To further complicate, Ilford's time for this push is taken from the MDC and not verified by them. The jump from 13 to 26 minutes for a one stop push not only seems questionable on its face, it is hugely different than the additional time for this push confirmed for other developers. I suspect that the 26 minute process time published by MDC is just plain bogus info as well.]
Fun. Yes
How'd yopu go shooting outdoors and handheld? Was it doable with all the street lighting or did you have a tripod with you too?
Just handheld. It's fast film and a fast lens.
@@ErikWahlstromPhoto Awesome, cheers!
@@jasonzecchin4539 Of course! Thanks for watching.
Have you tried Ilfotec DD-X? Supposedly excellent for pushing, producing lower grain and sharper images. It's the only BW developer I've ever used, so honestly have never compared to anything else. I have pushed Tri-X to 1600 and Hp5 to 3200 with it with great results.
+Caleb Wilson I haven't. I'll definitely give it a shot. The local photo store had d76 in stock so I grabbed it.
@@ErikWahlstromPhoto Champion DD-X
@@ErikWahlstromPhoto您会后悔以前使用过的所有开发人员。另外，相同类型的xtol比ddx差很多。
I shot Delta 3200 at box speed when I first got into shooting film about 4 years ago. I was a little put off by the grain in 35mm format at the time and didn't come back to it. I don't think the grain has changed any since then, but my attitude toward it definitely has. I should get a couple of rolls and push it a stop like this while we still have some weeks of winter light left. Thanks for the video, just got turned on to your channel.
Delta 3200 like the deceased Kodak Tmax P3200 had a real sensitivity of 1000-1250 ISO, but they are designed to be
rated at various speeds.
I have only shot it once. I shot it at 1600 and developed in D76 stock as the 3200 time on the box. I lones the results. I have another box of it and will try the same thing again but in ilfosol3. I also want to try it on medium format I have seen beautiful results.
Great video. I think yours is a common problem with delta32 (shot at box or pushed)... I’ve spent hours in the darkroom trying to make prints shot on delta32 (correctly exposed at 3200) with minimum success.... it’s difficult to work with... making adjustments in silverfast or lightroom really betrays how difficult the film is to actually print... I’ve seen it pulled back to 1200 or 1000asa with useable results... next time you use it, try pulling it... you might dig the outcome. 👍
This is one of my favorites films. When my son was born 3 months ago i shot five rolls of this film in the hospital. I shot it mostly at 1600 and developed it in Ilfotec HC. I loved the grainstructure. I think smooth would be an apropriate word to describe it. :)
Anyhow; great video and beautiful shots. :) I would love to see you shoot portraits on delta 3200 in 120. Just to see what a someone as skilled as you can do with it.
Edit: Yes, there is a ton of grain. But print this film on paper and you will not notice. I printed a ton of pictures of my fiancee and son to give to family and friends, and the grain was so smooth.
Back in the day, when I was shooting B&W film, 97% of it was shot on Ilford. And for almost everything, Ilford's Microphen was my developer of choice, also great for pushing. And for fine grain, there was Ilford's Perceptol. I urge you to try them out, since they are still available...
I really enjoy delta 3200 in 120 format pushed to 6400, that extra film size really helps with the grain.
Gotta drink whisky to stay warm in Siberacuse. Solid images, looks great at 6400.
I just received some delta 3200, and I haven’t tried them yet. Your results looks pretty good
Ahhh it's a alien, shooting laser beams out of his eyes! LoL
Nice review, and great results processing the photos. I've read Delta 3200 is actually a 1000 speed film. I bet it would work great exposed at 800, developed at box speed.
Always was under the impression that Delta 3200 was a 1000 speed film. Could have used another stop or two of light.
+njc2o that would defeat the purpose of the video
Its between 1000 and 2000 and the development times gives it a slight push. I would have just favored the shadows a bit more in metering but I think they came out pretty nice. Developing in DDX would help a bit too since it'll give you a half stop base ISO boost before pushing.
I think what he means is an extra two stops of develop time? If you metered at 6400, but only pished one stop thinking box speed is actually 3200 instead of 1000, it would explain why a lot of the pics came out apparently underexposed and lower contrast. Unless you did push 2.5 stops in developer and this is just how they came out?
+Caleb Wilson you literally just pick the film and developer, and go to "6400" on the dev chart.
ah ok. That makes sense.
An interesting, entertaining experiment. Thanks.
What Epson scanner do you use ? And I think I heard you say you silver fast as the software to scan is that better than the Epson software that comes with the scanner ?
+Alex Casares v700. I prefer it to the Epson Scan software, though for black and white it probably doesn't matter.
Erik Wahlstrom thanks.👍📸👍
I think the grain in the shadows and midtones are more pleasing on the Kodak T-Max 3200. I've struggled with the exact same thing you describe in the video myself, but I've switched to the T-Max now and I like that one a lot. Just wish they made it in medium format!
I'll try it out for sure.
Really enjoyed this episode Erik! Nice storytelling showing the bars and all the stuff going on behind the images. Syracuse sure looks like a great town!
When I finish the Tmax roll in my Minolta X300 I will find the courage to sent you some of my pictures for your viewer submission video. So I can finally tell you a little bit about myself (and won't be "just a random guy" stalking you on social media haha) and my photo's!
+Tim W thank you!
would love to see how 120 handles delta 3200...
Ugh bars. Give me the forest anyday
I've never been to the forest.
Erik Wahlstrom it’s better, no humans
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Erik Wahlstrom ok let me clarify. My comment didn’t say you as an individual don’t go to the woods. I was speaking on behalf of my own personal preference.
Nice work
35mm has a lot of grain. In 120 it's hardly visible.
+Igaluit this grain would be visible on 120.
Yes, 3200 is basically a grainy film. But when I print it on paper, I don't see any grain at all. If you just scan and put it on a monitor, it's possible you'll see some. If the contrast and exposure are optiimal, it will minimize its appearance. That said, it's still a great film. What other film would allow you to take night shots without a tripod?
What scanner do use?
+jdebultra Epson v700
ISO 3200? JESUS.
Nero it’s not really 3200