Just to clarify before all the comments pour in: I know it's implied that there is some alternate dimension thing going on with the time chamber, but for the sake of learning about time travel and time dilation I decided to consider a scenario I could put numbers to.
Kyle Hill Time dilation works even with the alternate dimension. In relative terms to the alternate dimension, one or both theories could be true without the Earth's gravitational field increasing 2000 fold or the Earth reaching almost the speed of light, as, in comparison to the HBTC, it could "feel" that way to the alternate dimension.
Kyle Hill All this time I had remembered the Time Chamber as a gravity chamber, probably because of the way the characters moved while inside of it.. Huh, ironic. Or is it?!
Kyle Hill Well I would have said that, rather than the earth increasing in speed/gravity, the tiny planetoid upon which the time chamber actually rests would be doing the velocity/gravity changes in order to achieve the dilation necessary.
but that is only specified in the Boo saga, in the Cell saga (the best by far) your theory is still pretty appropriate. And the gravity is 10 times the one we have on earth, how is that possible if the gravity must be ridiculously higher on the Earth?
The boredom of all the students combined creates a gigantic sphere of mass that creates a gravity field so powerful that bends time inside school, making it go slower. Also, that's why when summer begins you feel like it's been only a few weeks of school.
+Nerdist It is in another dimension, also it is stated in the English dub (I am unsure about the manga) that the Hyperbolic Time Chamber has a gravity that is 10x Earths gravity.
At the very least, it has to be in a different time/space to account for it's infinite size.. In this scenario, the time dilation could be caused by near light speeds, gravity, or (most likely) a combination of both.
The HBTC is another dimension, this is better explained in the Buu saga (Super Buu shouts a rift in space-time to escape it even). It has infinite size, and gravity increases as you get further away from the door. Then there's the 48 hour limit thing...
Well... actually the time chamber isnt a place on earth at all. The door to it is simply on it. Its a separate dimension entirely as seen when piccolo blew the door down, the only way to escape was to generate enough energy to literally rip apart the barriers between dimensions.
+DeadToMe I dont mean DBZ energy. I mean basic energy. Vibrations are a form of energy as they are in motion with said motion being transferable to things like from an i-pod to your inner ear. Plus I'm pretty sure they used ki to amplify their voice in the first place.
You forgot that the world of Dragon Ball has the world ruled by a cat. I always liked the Narnia explanation: "If it's a different world, surely time moves differently there."
It would be nice to see a video where you address how strong the human body could ever possibly be (including cybernetics, but no complete synthetic bodies), addressing methods used by just about every popular superhero who started out as human
Wslasher I’m pretty sure Grant Morrison always intended it to be affected by relativity. He is a big fan of science after all so it’s not that the video fixed it but more like it just explained it outright.
I believe so. And it would make sense that the chamber is actually a portal to that empty realm rather than the scientific explanations here. As for the one year over there at a time, that is open to explanation.
They are, he's trying to relate it to our world. In the time chamber dimension, time and space are still bonded to the same direction the regular world is going... Only... The dimension is affected by time much greater, most likely due to it being smaller than regular dimension
Well on Buu's saga we learn that the Time Chamber sits on a different dimension (by which they mean an alternative universe) so all that's necessary is to think that the place the chamber stand on the other universe is either moving that fast or that massive.
Coldwolf thank you. The chamber isn't on earth at all, there is just a door connecting the lookout to the other dimension, where time behaves differently than on earth.
Timothy Jon 10G's wouldn't affect time by that much, Also Time dilation via gravity slows time relative to earth not speeds it up. In other words if you used gravity to warp time instead of something else, you would actually have LESS time to train in there than you would normally.
It's already explained in the show that the hyperbolic time chamber is actually a doorway into another dimension, in the buu saga piccolo lured buu into the time chamber to fight gotenks when he taught gotenks was going to lose piccolo destroyed the doorway trapping the 3 of them. Buu ended up getting angry and released so much energy he made a wormhole/tear in space and time to escape. It's still a good theory you could have backed up the gravitational time dilation theory further if you mentioned what goku said to gohan after they first entered "the air gets denser the further you go" and "It stretches for an eternity" so the further they went from the door the higher the gravity became causing the atmosphere to compress and with no end to the plane the gravity would increase infinitely. The differential gravity could also explain the freak weather (air igniting as they were sparing and freezing into mountains of ice instantly while goku was training by himself)
The hyperbolic time chamber is not on earth nor is it anywhere near earth, it is basically its own separate universe. When you step into the hyperbolic time chamber, noone can sense your presence, not even the supreme kais who have the ability to sense anyone on earth even if they're light years away. It does have increased gravity though, 10x that of earth's gravity.
isnt time for those inside faster rather than slower? if so, then you took the inside time as the observer reference, so as a time dilation is occuring outside the time chamber. However in this case we're looking for time contraction, since the real reference time point should be the side of earth. your math should be correct but it should be a negative mass, given that this time the space-time fabric is not being pulled, but streched (there's a reason why they call it hyperbolic). My only explanation is that the chamber is powered by a white hole of the mass you mentioned.
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*Popo:* Here it is, maggots. The Hyper-Bolic Time Chamber. *Goku:* Wait, I thought it was called the Room of Spirit and Time! *Popo:* I said that 'cause you kept mispronouncing it. *Goku:* No, I can do it! Hype-Ebola Mind chamber! *Popo:* No. *Goku:* Hyper-Glycemic Crime chamber! *Popo:* You get one more. *Goku:* Hype-Ebonics Rhyme chamber! *Popo:* ...hm.
As many others have already stated. The chamber is a different dimension. There is a door thats connects to a different dimension. Meaning, even if you go on the lookout but not in the hyperbolic time chamber, time still moves normally on earth, it only starts being different as soon as you enter the room.
The Time Chamber isn't just some room in the Lookout above Earth. Its door is literally a portal to a different dimension. There IS intense gravity in the Chamber, it's remarked upon by multiple characters when they visit it.
I think there is an error,time should be quicker inside the chamber and not slower than outside,because the point is that you're a full year inside but outside only one day had passed,not the other way arround. if the time inside the chamber were the slower one,then it will be the oposite,one day inside would be a year outside.
We all know for a fact that Sayadjins can live in conditions of abnormous gravity, they all train in chambers of enhanced gravity to get stronger quickly, so I think that the Time Chamber works by the principle of time dilation by gravity. The gravity inside Time Chamber is ridiculously powerful, making the training conditions even better. Time Chamber can recreate perfect weather conditions, so it also can modify gravity.
For future topics, could you explain Wolverine's adamantium skeleton, his bone claws, and how it all fits together without him being too heavy to walk, let alone fight?
Bandit Leader They can change the speed cap of the Universe so why shouldn't it be able to change the flow of time? ( using Slipspace as reference for the speed thing) Also you've got magic in The DBZ universe (Babadi is an example of that) so why not use that to Speed up the Passage of time
Aubu Atmora because 1, dimensions cant change the speed cap of the universe, even if they could, changing the cap would change all of time in the universe. 2, magic cant control time.
I think the hyperbolic time chamber IS a gravitational time dilation because it's possible that the door open to another area in the universe, perhaps orbiting a super massive black hole, in which gravity is so strong that it dilates time. That or it's quantum fixed to not move, while the universe moves at almost a speed of light rate around it (less probable)
I'm gonna say it's the ladder but more emphasis on pressure then acceleration, there was an episode where goku explained to gohan why they weren't training in the HTC saying it's too much of a strain on the body. Plus there is also the time both buu and gotenks ripped through the fabric of time and space by yelling, with the logic explained, sounds like maybe a cosmic echo was made allowing both parties to escape the htc
An excellent, informative video, although I am now left wondering whether the same effect could be applied inversely relative to the characters. Theoretically, rather than the Hyperbolic Time Chamber quickening the rotation of the Earth or increasing its mass/gravity, could the same ends by achieved by applying the reverse to Goku and Gohan? For instance, if the Time Chamber *lowered* the gravity of its occupants by equivalent factors, or its interior was spinning more slowly than the Earth, could this Time Dilation still occur?
The Time Chamber is a pocket dimension of some kind, so the physics don't really apply here. But the video was very well created if you wanted to find logic to the Time Chamber outside of dimensions.
He is neglecting the fact that the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber was confirmed as an entrance to another dimension or a "pocket dimension" if you will. this would mean that, while his theories on why time passes slower could possibly still apply, the Earth and Time Chamber are not connected at all
I'm pretty sure that they are on something like a white dwarf or neutron star when they enter the room of Time and Space. Point is, they sure don't look like they are on Earth if you've actually watched the show.
The Time Chamber is in immense gravity, it's evident in the show, Trunks was used to training in the Gravity Chamber with Vegeta yet when he was in the time chamber he had a hard time walking at first.
Qwert Yuiop no time passes faster in the hyperbolic time chamber, they go in there to do a years training in a day not to do a days training in a year.
@0:27-It's actually 365 times faster, not "365 times more slowly". Also noteworthy: Even within the hyperbolic time chamber, there is further relativity which compounds the 365.25 times accelerated flow of time, as the further you get from the access point, the higher the gravity, greater the humidity thinner the air...
I will go with the gravity theory. If I recall correctly, when Goku and Gohan enters the chamber, Goku warns his son not to wander too far from the center building; (As a shot from above, it shows the building as the center of the endless white field); the reason why he says this, as he tells Gohan, is that the father you go from the building, the stronger gravity becomes. Like, walk ten feet away from the central building and gravity becomes x5 more of normal earth, and the more you walk farther the stronger it gets the increasing gravity. This may effect the time delay thingy with gravity theory.
The chamber is in another dimension and the time dilation is because of gravity, since the moment Gohan steps into it, he collapses and complains how heavy it is.
+Benjamin Drinkwater It most certainly is not because of the gravity, the gravity there just happens to be strong but has no connection whatsoever with the time there. The gravity there is only 10 times stronger than Earth, like planet Vegeta or King Kai's planet.
+Benjamin Drinkwater if the gravity was the cause, since goku's in the heavier gravity, his time would slow down, the opposite of what actually happens
I think it has to do something with being in that dimension, but what might it be.,. and yes, gravity makes time go faster, that's why clocks in space need to be adjusted so often.,.
I always figured it was linked more so to the gravity in the time chamber. Goku even tells Gohan that the gravity in the time chamber is heavier and the first time Gohan goes in he struggles to stand. The fact that the duo weren't turned into less than goo I figured is just narrative liberty.
+The Flamebolt I like to think that the time chamber is in another planet which is close to black hole (you'we seen the intertelar), since the palace is full of doors and places that works like wormholes.
+Adomas Seputis You got that backwards. Black holes and increases in gravity slow time for the users, not speed up. the hyperbolic time chamber speeds up the time for those inside by 365 times, and the video is trying to quantify that speed up as a slow down on the planet earth. Remember in interstellar, the ones who go closer to the black hole come back out of its effects only hours older, while those outside are years older. they lost time.
Oh yes, I totally messed up. So since earth is moving aruond sun, sun is moving against galaxy and so on, is it possible to have a planet somewhere that is moving slow enough relative to earth to get such effect?
Your hypotheses on how it works is basically when they enter the speed chamber something happens in earth, either speed changes, or gravity changes, while in the speed chamber things remain normal. Wouldn't it make more sense that the speed chamber is basically not a chamber but rather a door to another dimension in which the place they are has a different rotation speed or gravitational force that makes the time in it pass differently rather than changing what is happening outside the chamber?
I always think it was a different dimension with different time... the chamber is not in the same dimension of earth his gravity is more than earth but is not that the point... being in a different dimension will mean there are other laws of physics
white wall gazing, strong & weak magnetic fields, more or less psi controls, cold oxygen can be magnetized so i guess other gasses could be attracted to certain areas too.
Prana Khan You will also age much quicker then the people outside. Soo it may not be as good as you think...unless you willing to sacrifice some of your life.
akimboDEEZ I thought you would age slower, thats what i get for being a dense martial artist haha. Guess the old masters were right, you can't cheat your way to the top. Even fantastically.
I like these theories a lot, especially the gravity one because it makes the most sense when you think about how the gravity within the chamber was suppose to be like. However, some stuff from the show confuses me and makes me think there's really no way to logically explain the chamber. I mean, firstly, it was described at first that it was another dimension - not just a room that slows down time. I believe it might of been mentioned in Dragon Ball - prior to DBZ actually. This dimension bit is also proven during the Buu saga when both Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks have to yell and shout their way out of the place once the door was broken. Another thing that confuses me is the portal they created and the door. When open, time flows at a 1:1 ratio. I think the best thing here is to chalk it up to Kami's divine power. However, I think even Kami is not exempt from the rule of never allowed to enter more than two times - which makes me think it might be something bigger than him. We know the Kai's exist and are of a higher "pay" grade than that of Kami - perhaps he learned something or was given the room? Perhaps the room just always existed on the lookout. Idk, its 4 in the morning and I'm not thinking straight lol. Knowing what I know from the show - Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super now - and what they have told us; I think its just a broken concept. Logically, your theories are probably on the marker for HOW to do it if we(man) we're to attempt creating such a thing, but how its actually done in the show is.. well, I have no idea really. Probably gravity within the chamber itself slowing down time somehow.. Or speeding it up.. Idk, I'm going to bed. xD
Considering that the gravity on the Hyperbolic Chamber is 10x that of the earth, you wouldn't need less speed to warp time? Plus, it's explained in the series that the chamber is in another dimension, so that could mean there's other rules for that particular dimension, which would allow it to exist and have the time be warped the way it is.
funny fact, inside the HBTC there is a large clock and when you walk out the center entrance, time increases every step you take into an endless white void.
Hi Kyle from what I remember from the DBZ time chamber is it's a room that actually works as it's own dimension or a pocket dimension. So can it not be possible since it's a dimension separate from the earth that time and even gravity maybe denser than earths and time moves at a different speed. I think thats what akira toriyama might have been aiming for. Later on in the majin boo saga they try to trap majin boo in the time chamber by destroying the door and they succeed, but then majin boo powers up and screams so hard he punches a whole right throw spacetime and gets out (I know that's way to convenient , but this is no attack on titan writing!!! lol) ....I only use this cause think DBZ was trying to explain the vastness and intense gravity and abnormal weather changes of the chamber. ... I enjoyed your take on time dilation and I love watching nerdist and because science and the dan cave. I hope my explanation doesn't come off condescending( I'm just a big DBZ fan and I felt like I knew enough to say something) Keep up the good work and just know nerdist has fans in the Bahamas. ... Thanks for reading.
Every time I go to the sauna at the gym I feel like that's how it'd be in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. *There's also the conundrum that there is increased gravity the further you go inside the HTC.
Actually, you can skew time with just velocity (mass and velocity are energy calculations and the total energy equates to gravitation). There are also various cheats you can use but most involve cutting through the bulk, or pushing massive objects through spinning space.
My theory, and I have a feeling it's pretty plausible considering this is Dragonball we're talking about, is that the hyperbolic time chamber is in reality a contained singularity. This would tick the gravity checkbox and offer a way for the time chamber to be the source of it's own power. My quarrel with my own theory is that the time chamber has been destroyed before. Once in super that I can recall right now, and I'd think releasing a singularity like that would wreck havoc on a cosmic scale, sooooo. Yeah.
+Nerdist I agree with everything except for your final conclusion, it could be gravitational as both Goku and Vegeta have trained in different gravaties (Planet Vegeta is 10x that of earth, as well as king kai's plabet and also goku trained in 100x earths gravity)
since the hyperbolic timechamber is on a different plane of existance (not using "dimension", as that means something else in physics) - the door could simply be a portal to a location that moves slower then earth (as the faster you go, the slower time goes)
In easier explanation is to bring up that it is described as a dimension within the building. The mass of the ground inside that dimension could in theory have limitless mass considering it is another dimension where physics could be completely different to our own. Having said that though, if that was the case, the gravitational pull released on the earth when ever the door is opened should in theory act like a black hole and suck the planet inside it before eventually sucking the entire solar system inside.
Different planets have longer days and time than Earth, It's entirely possible that Frieza's home planet's 5 minutes is longer than our 5 minutes. You also have to take into account that some things are taking place at the same time as Frieza and Goku's fight
You can actually travel backwards in time and its very easy. Just stand ad the board between MST and CST zone and walk into the MST - 1 hour backwards in time.
I'm pretty sure they actually explained it in the anime as the gravitational time dialation. That's why at first trunks wasn't able to stay in there very long. But it's also been a LONG time since I watched those episodes, so I may be mistaken
I think it has to do with mass because the hyperbolic time chamber is classified as an infinite plane of existence that bends the rules of time also another thing to note is that the gravity in that dimension is insanely ramped up in there than what there is on earth so that must be why there is such a great time dilation
Dude I've been going through all these episodes and you can literally scroll down the playlist and see his hair growing towards and then past Thor length loll
"But hey we are talking about a show with multiple resurrections and magic balls and talking dragons" Kyle is more amazed by the fact that a dragon can speak than by the fact of the existence of dragons, that's how awesome he is xD
I've always seen the space on the other side of the door as a dimension of its own. So for the velocity needed would probably have to mean the dimension itself is moving quicker than earth's.
the increased gravity theory would make more sense in the show because Goku did say that in the time chamber the gravity is heavier. plus Gohan did say that the air was very heavy and if the air in the time chamber came from the outside the only way the air density would increase would be if the gravity had increased in the chamber.
From what I remember in DBZ in the time chamber gravity IS heavier its shown when Gohan trys to walk out of the building he almost face plants due to gravity Inside the time chamber being stronger then outside
We also have to remember twin Paradox so it's most likely gravitational time dialation(likely powered by a magical black whole) but then what's stopping them from being subjected to space time tearing gravity?
Somewhat unrelated to the video, but hearing you mention when the theory of relativity got started made me realize something. The Cubs' last world series victory very nearly predates the theory of relativity. THAT'S HILARIOUS!
The theory of that the place is 2000 times bigger than the sun is the most plausible because when goku goes in it the first time he gets warned by Kami that if he goes too far, he'll get lost and die which may imply that the area is either "infinite" or just fucking huge in itself.
It could also just be a magical dimension that transports to a time one day after you enter when you exit. Depending on how long you were in there of course.
Just gonna say, hyperbolic time chamber uses increased gravity in a potentially infinite pocket dimension that is travelling at an incredible speed, but is still, relative to the earth that is only connected by one metaphysical portal
Its a different Relm thus time could flow differently also the gravity is 10 times greater there which would effect the flow of time but this doesn't account for the the bedroom/house area on the platform by the door.
The gravity after you step off the steps inside is roughly double that of Earth's. And the Japanese name for it is the room of space time. So, it's a combination of the gravity effect (which you explained) and magic to the reason why they could experience a year in the chamber while everyone else only experiences a day.
Just to clarify before all the comments pour in: I know it's implied that there is some alternate dimension thing going on with the time chamber, but for the sake of learning about time travel and time dilation I decided to consider a scenario I could put numbers to.
Kyle Hill lol I was actually going to say that. I'll just keep quiet, haha.
Kyle Hill Time dilation works even with the alternate dimension. In relative terms to the alternate dimension, one or both theories could be true without the Earth's gravitational field increasing 2000 fold or the Earth reaching almost the speed of light, as, in comparison to the HBTC, it could "feel" that way to the alternate dimension.
Kyle Hill All this time I had remembered the Time Chamber as a gravity chamber, probably because of the way the characters moved while inside of it.. Huh, ironic. Or is it?!
Kyle Hill Well I would have said that, rather than the earth increasing in speed/gravity, the tiny planetoid upon which the time chamber actually rests would be doing the velocity/gravity changes in order to achieve the dilation necessary.
but that is only specified in the Boo saga, in the Cell saga (the best by far) your theory is still pretty appropriate. And the gravity is 10 times the one we have on earth, how is that possible if the gravity must be ridiculously higher on the Earth?
i know where time is slower; school
I fucking know right? XD
thats why school is now over and it only felt like its been a few weeks? sure
The boredom of all the students combined creates a gigantic sphere of mass that creates a gravity field so powerful that bends time inside school, making it go slower. Also, that's why when summer begins you feel like it's been only a few weeks of school.
The school is now back up.
Don't mind me, just... rubbing it back in!
AnyOtherName LikeMashugana lol
I think DBZ is in a reverse hyperbolic time chamber. A minute of powering up in the show is 10 episodes in real life.
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What if the Time Chamber is actually in another dimension?
Our minds are BLOWN.
+Nerdist It is in another dimension, also it is stated in the English dub (I am unsure about the manga) that the Hyperbolic Time Chamber has a gravity that is 10x Earths gravity.
+Nerdist how did get so smart
At the very least, it has to be in a different time/space to account for it's infinite size.. In this scenario, the time dilation could be caused by near light speeds, gravity, or (most likely) a combination of both.
The HBTC is another dimension, this is better explained in the Buu saga (Super Buu shouts a rift in space-time to escape it even). It has infinite size, and gravity increases as you get further away from the door. Then there's the 48 hour limit thing...
Well... actually the time chamber isnt a place on earth at all. The door to it is simply on it. Its a separate dimension entirely as seen when piccolo blew the door down, the only way to escape was to generate enough energy to literally rip apart the barriers between dimensions.
capsule corp must use some kind of pocket dimension tech.
Or just get Gotenks to scream.
+ThelostAcrane its at kamis lookout not capsule corp
it wasnt energy that gotenks used to rip the barrier it was the vibration and frequency of his voice
+DeadToMe I dont mean DBZ energy. I mean basic energy. Vibrations are a form of energy as they are in motion with said motion being transferable to things like from an i-pod to your inner ear. Plus I'm pretty sure they used ki to amplify their voice in the first place.
Nobody knows but kami has a phd in physics from Stanford.
Kami, piccolo, and nao :p they're all one bieng now
And so does Brian from Game Grumps. Oh did I mention he has a PhD in physics?
+Carl Poppa Still, their abilities are below Mr. Popos stool...
Carl Poppa lol
You forgot that the world of Dragon Ball has the world ruled by a cat.
I always liked the Narnia explanation: "If it's a different world, surely time moves differently there."
Rami Ungar Well that technically does follow suit, even Kyle said so himself with his part about the Earth have more of a gravity field.
Rami Ungar the dragon ball world is actually ruled by a talking dog. not cat.
@@DZCorporation4LIFE it's actually ruled by a child with a rugby ball head
It would be nice to see a video where you address how strong the human body could ever possibly be (including cybernetics, but no complete synthetic bodies), addressing methods used by just about every popular superhero who started out as human
This is literally the only way to get me interested in science and I pay more attention to this than my biology class
He kinda looks like Thor
He's happy you noticed!
***** Is it that obvious?
+Kyle Hill kyle plz notice me ;-;
+Jaxlightning Bland This what thor looked like before he trained in the Time Chamber.
+Jaxlightning Bland pewdiepie in a wig
The gravity gun Superman used on Lex Luthor in All Star Superman now makes sense thanks to this video.
That Kyle Hill is all about making sense out of comic books through SCIENCCCCCCCCE!
Wslasher I’m pretty sure Grant Morrison always intended it to be affected by relativity. He is a big fan of science after all so it’s not that the video fixed it but more like it just explained it outright.
Your editing is SOOO GOOD
So.... Kyle is future trunks right?
Nailed it.
+Nerdist no no no, nail is inside Piccolo, not Trunks.
+Daniel Mason XD
+Daniel Mason oh that was clever.
+Nerdist That's what he said.
Wasn't it stated that they're in a different dimenision
it was
+RUclips MAN, you forgot to repeat your comment 6 more times. XD
I believe so. And it would make sense that the chamber is actually a portal to that empty realm rather than the scientific explanations here. As for the one year over there at a time, that is open to explanation.
They are, he's trying to relate it to our world. In the time chamber dimension, time and space are still bonded to the same direction the regular world is going... Only... The dimension is affected by time much greater, most likely due to it being smaller than regular dimension
It still applies, just that that world/dimension should travel a billion times slower than Earth.
Well on Buu's saga we learn that the Time Chamber sits on a different dimension (by which they mean an alternative universe) so all that's necessary is to think that the place the chamber stand on the other universe is either moving that fast or that massive.
the chamber is in another dimension
Coldwolf thank you. The chamber isn't on earth at all, there is just a door connecting the lookout to the other dimension, where time behaves differently than on earth.
+RUclips, All I want to do is watch a video, stop making me update. also its 10x the gravity on earth so u can speed up time too
Timothy Jon 10G's wouldn't affect time by that much, Also Time dilation via gravity slows time relative to earth not speeds it up. In other words if you used gravity to warp time instead of something else, you would actually have LESS time to train in there than you would normally.
woah thx for explaining its much clearer now
RUclips, All I want to do is watch a video, stop making me update.
you are right different dimension different rules
um, in buu saga it was ssaid the time chamber was in another dimension, but it's entrance was on earth
Yup which is why when the door was destroyed Gotenks had to create a wormhole back to earth by bombarding reality with his intense power.
Time chamber Is actually in a separate spacetime dimemsion
It's already explained in the show that the hyperbolic time chamber is actually a doorway into another dimension, in the buu saga piccolo lured buu into the time chamber to fight gotenks when he taught gotenks was going to lose piccolo destroyed the doorway trapping the 3 of them. Buu ended up getting angry and released so much energy he made a wormhole/tear in space and time to escape.
It's still a good theory you could have backed up the gravitational time dilation theory further if you mentioned what goku said to gohan after they first entered "the air gets denser the further you go" and "It stretches for an eternity" so the further they went from the door the higher the gravity became causing the atmosphere to compress and with no end to the plane the gravity would increase infinitely. The differential gravity could also explain the freak weather (air igniting as they were sparing and freezing into mountains of ice instantly while goku was training by himself)
The hyperbolic time chamber is not on earth nor is it anywhere near earth, it is basically its own separate universe. When you step into the hyperbolic time chamber, noone can sense your presence, not even the supreme kais who have the ability to sense anyone on earth even if they're light years away. It does have increased gravity though, 10x that of earth's gravity.
isnt time for those inside faster rather than slower? if so, then you took the inside time as the observer reference, so as a time dilation is occuring outside the time chamber. However in this case we're looking for time contraction, since the real reference time point should be the side of earth. your math should be correct but it should be a negative mass, given that this time the space-time fabric is not being pulled, but streched (there's a reason why they call it hyperbolic). My only explanation is that the chamber is powered by a white hole of the mass you mentioned.
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Ah The Hyperbolic Time Chamber, my number one device I'd wish for if i could.
At 0:26. I think you mean that inside the time capsule time passes 365 times faster. Not slower.
hopefully you learned by now
*Popo:* Here it is, maggots. The Hyper-Bolic Time Chamber.
*Goku:* Wait, I thought it was called the Room of Spirit and Time!
*Popo:* I said that 'cause you kept mispronouncing it.
*Goku:* No, I can do it! Hype-Ebola Mind chamber!
*Popo:* No.
*Goku:* Hyper-Glycemic Crime chamber!
*Popo:* You get one more.
*Goku:* Hype-Ebonics Rhyme chamber!
*Popo:* ...hm.
LMAO
As many others have already stated. The chamber is a different dimension. There is a door thats connects to a different dimension. Meaning, even if you go on the lookout but not in the hyperbolic time chamber, time still moves normally on earth, it only starts being different as soon as you enter the room.
The Time Chamber isn't just some room in the Lookout above Earth. Its door is literally a portal to a different dimension. There IS intense gravity in the Chamber, it's remarked upon by multiple characters when they visit it.
actually in the japanese dub goku says it is the earth in another dimension.
Yes, hence my statement, "literally another dimension."
hinney827 yh, I was backing you up man.
Starting with "actually" makes it seem like you're trying to correct someone :)
hinney827 my bad bro, didn't mean for it to sound that way but it's text, so that's understandable.
1:50 "Do you see what I'm 'saiyan'" 😂
I think there is an error,time should be quicker inside the chamber and not slower than outside,because the point is that you're a full year inside but outside only one day had passed,not the other way arround. if the time inside the chamber were the slower one,then it will be the oposite,one day inside would be a year outside.
piluex2 no it's slower. Time is 365x slower on the inside. a whole year of training on the inside in 1 day on the outside
Your right man....
Yep 365x time passes.
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365 days per day is more days per day than one day per day... Time is faster in the time chamber than outside.
We all know for a fact that Sayadjins can live in conditions of abnormous gravity, they all train in chambers of enhanced gravity to get stronger quickly, so I think that the Time Chamber works by the principle of time dilation by gravity. The gravity inside Time Chamber is ridiculously powerful, making the training conditions even better. Time Chamber can recreate perfect weather conditions, so it also can modify gravity.
the last scene be like a fusion of thor and goku
For future topics, could you explain Wolverine's adamantium skeleton, his bone claws, and how it all fits together without him being too heavy to walk, let alone fight?
You do know the Hyperbolic Time chamber is another Dimension Right?
dimensions dont change time.
Bandit Leader They can change the speed cap of the Universe so why shouldn't it be able to change the flow of time? ( using Slipspace as reference for the speed thing) Also you've got magic in The DBZ universe (Babadi is an example of that) so why not use that to Speed up the Passage of time
Aubu Atmora because 1, dimensions cant change the speed cap of the universe, even if they could, changing the cap would change all of time in the universe. 2, magic cant control time.
+Bandit Leader dimensions can be outside of time (the flashes speed force for example) universes flow at the same time I believe
+Bandit Leader it what Kyle says but backwards. In the chamber they have to be moving faster or weigh less in that dimension.
I think the hyperbolic time chamber IS a gravitational time dilation because it's possible that the door open to another area in the universe, perhaps orbiting a super massive black hole, in which gravity is so strong that it dilates time. That or it's quantum fixed to not move, while the universe moves at almost a speed of light rate around it (less probable)
hmm why didnt they use the time chamber more its beyond op now that i think about it goku goes in there for like 5 days comes out a ssjg6
can't be in there for more than 3 days.
Ok, he leaves after 3 days and go back again.
+Rodolfo Antonici originally you couldn't go back after 3 days but dende changed it in the buu arc.
Nah, the point would be: stay three days, leave for some minutes and go back.
Noah Bible and after all, Gotenks is able to create his own way out
I'm gonna say it's the ladder but more emphasis on pressure then acceleration, there was an episode where goku explained to gohan why they weren't training in the HTC saying it's too much of a strain on the body. Plus there is also the time both buu and gotenks ripped through the fabric of time and space by yelling, with the logic explained, sounds like maybe a cosmic echo was made allowing both parties to escape the htc
An excellent, informative video, although I am now left wondering whether the same effect could be applied inversely relative to the characters. Theoretically, rather than the Hyperbolic Time Chamber quickening the rotation of the Earth or increasing its mass/gravity, could the same ends by achieved by applying the reverse to Goku and Gohan? For instance, if the Time Chamber *lowered* the gravity of its occupants by equivalent factors, or its interior was spinning more slowly than the Earth, could this Time Dilation still occur?
Time would move faster than on earth.
The Time Chamber is a pocket dimension of some kind, so the physics don't really apply here. But the video was very well created if you wanted to find logic to the Time Chamber outside of dimensions.
It's not on earth,
all he told within this vid is irrelevant.,.
Love how I learn more from you and shoddy cast about science then I did in higher physics and advanced higher chemistry
He is neglecting the fact that the Hyper Bolic Time Chamber was confirmed as an entrance to another dimension or a "pocket dimension" if you will.
this would mean that, while his theories on why time passes slower could possibly still apply, the Earth and Time Chamber are not connected at all
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Gogeta SS Rose He's explaining it as if it wasn't in another dimension
Hugh G. Rection Haha
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I'm pretty sure that they are on something like a white dwarf or neutron star when they enter the room of Time and Space.
Point is, they sure don't look like they are on Earth if you've actually watched the show.
The Time Chamber is in immense gravity, it's evident in the show,
Trunks was used to training in the Gravity Chamber with Vegeta yet when he was in the time chamber he had a hard time walking at first.
Goku even said it the gravity is 10x higher
That won't do much, time wise.
that would have the opposite affect actually, time would pass slower in the hyperbolic time chamber compared to Earth.
+Andy Foster time does pass slower in the hyperbolic time chamber
Qwert Yuiop
You think?
Qwert Yuiop no time passes faster in the hyperbolic time chamber, they go in there to do a years training in a day not to do a days training in a year.
@0:27-It's actually 365 times faster, not "365 times more slowly".
Also noteworthy:
Even within the hyperbolic time chamber, there is further relativity which compounds the 365.25 times accelerated flow of time, as the further you get from the access point, the higher the gravity, greater the humidity thinner the air...
isn't the time faster for goku and gohan
I mean time is moving faster for goku and gohan
time is much much slower in there. 1 year inside the time chamber is 1 day in the real world.
***** 😂😂😂which means that time moves faster in the time chamber
No it moves 365x slower there so one second out here is like a week in there (just a guess about the days, i don't know how long a second is to them).
Thomas Cormier u fucking dumb ass,do u know how many seconds makes up a week
I will go with the gravity theory. If I recall correctly, when Goku and Gohan enters the chamber, Goku warns his son not to wander too far from the center building; (As a shot from above, it shows the building as the center of the endless white field); the reason why he says this, as he tells Gohan, is that the father you go from the building, the stronger gravity becomes. Like, walk ten feet away from the central building and gravity becomes x5 more of normal earth, and the more you walk farther the stronger it gets the increasing gravity. This may effect the time delay thingy with gravity theory.
The chamber is in another dimension and the time dilation is because of gravity, since the moment Gohan steps into it, he collapses and complains how heavy it is.
+Benjamin Drinkwater It most certainly is not because of the gravity, the gravity there just happens to be strong but has no connection whatsoever with the time there.
The gravity there is only 10 times stronger than Earth, like planet Vegeta or King Kai's planet.
+Benjamin Drinkwater if the gravity was the cause, since goku's in the heavier gravity, his time would slow down, the opposite of what actually happens
I think it has to do something with being in that dimension,
but what might it be.,.
and yes, gravity makes time go faster,
that's why clocks in space need to be adjusted so often.,.
I always figured it was linked more so to the gravity in the time chamber. Goku even tells Gohan that the gravity in the time chamber is heavier and the first time Gohan goes in he struggles to stand. The fact that the duo weren't turned into less than goo I figured is just narrative liberty.
Hydrobolic Lion Tamer.
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+Aaric Runyan that one was on purpose!
I just noticed that you be writing backwards, and I saw you write with both hands backwards at the same time! That's a talent all on its own!
Or you know... the time chamber is in another dimension and not above the Earth...........
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+The Flamebolt yup
+The Flamebolt I like to think that the time chamber is in another planet which is close to black hole (you'we seen the intertelar), since the palace is full of doors and places that works like wormholes.
+Adomas Seputis You got that backwards. Black holes and increases in gravity slow time for the users, not speed up. the hyperbolic time chamber speeds up the time for those inside by 365 times, and the video is trying to quantify that speed up as a slow down on the planet earth. Remember in interstellar, the ones who go closer to the black hole come back out of its effects only hours older, while those outside are years older. they lost time.
Oh yes, I totally messed up. So since earth is moving aruond sun, sun is moving against galaxy and so on, is it possible to have a planet somewhere that is moving slow enough relative to earth to get such effect?
Talk about the energy output of all these characters and ki to what science can explain! Please! I enjoy these btw
It is like Oliver Queen and Felicity Smoke had a son. #teamarrow
he looks like thor
*Smoak
Super true
+SuBZerobpt I just commented that on one of his vids XD
akira toriyama, not just a great manga artist, but also a scientist!
That ending. The cringe is real
😂😂😂
just skipped forward saw a single image.......gonna leave now
Your hypotheses on how it works is basically when they enter the speed chamber something happens in earth, either speed changes, or gravity changes, while in the speed chamber things remain normal. Wouldn't it make more sense that the speed chamber is basically not a chamber but rather a door to another dimension in which the place they are has a different rotation speed or gravitational force that makes the time in it pass differently rather than changing what is happening outside the chamber?
I always think it was a different dimension with different time... the chamber is not in the same dimension of earth his gravity is more than earth but is not that the point... being in a different dimension will mean there are other laws of physics
you're right. it's not on earth, only the door was. and yes, you're kinda right about the laws as well, unless its like a parallel universe of sorts
Dear kyle, can you make a video explaining which training is better for strength your muscular system or the neurological system?
white wall gazing, strong & weak magnetic fields, more or less psi controls, cold oxygen can be magnetized so i guess other gasses could be attracted to certain areas too.
I think we all would like a hyperbolic time chamber every now and then.
Arc520 Sooo much training, glorious training...
Prana Khan You will also age much quicker then the people outside. Soo it may not be as good as you think...unless you willing to sacrifice some of your life.
akimboDEEZ Dragon balls mate, dragon balls.
akimboDEEZ I thought you would age slower, thats what i get for being a dense martial artist haha. Guess the old masters were right, you can't cheat your way to the top. Even fantastically.
Arc520 It would come in handy.
I like these theories a lot, especially the gravity one because it makes the most sense when you think about how the gravity within the chamber was suppose to be like. However, some stuff from the show confuses me and makes me think there's really no way to logically explain the chamber.
I mean, firstly, it was described at first that it was another dimension - not just a room that slows down time. I believe it might of been mentioned in Dragon Ball - prior to DBZ actually. This dimension bit is also proven during the Buu saga when both Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks have to yell and shout their way out of the place once the door was broken.
Another thing that confuses me is the portal they created and the door. When open, time flows at a 1:1 ratio. I think the best thing here is to chalk it up to Kami's divine power. However, I think even Kami is not exempt from the rule of never allowed to enter more than two times - which makes me think it might be something bigger than him. We know the Kai's exist and are of a higher "pay" grade than that of Kami - perhaps he learned something or was given the room? Perhaps the room just always existed on the lookout.
Idk, its 4 in the morning and I'm not thinking straight lol. Knowing what I know from the show - Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball Super now - and what they have told us; I think its just a broken concept. Logically, your theories are probably on the marker for HOW to do it if we(man) we're to attempt creating such a thing, but how its actually done in the show is.. well, I have no idea really. Probably gravity within the chamber itself slowing down time somehow.. Or speeding it up.. Idk, I'm going to bed. xD
Considering that the gravity on the Hyperbolic Chamber is 10x that of the earth, you wouldn't need less speed to warp time?
Plus, it's explained in the series that the chamber is in another dimension, so that could mean there's other rules for that particular dimension, which would allow it to exist and have the time be warped the way it is.
I'd say it's the second one as in the time chamber goku mentions don't go too far from the gate as u can get lost due to its seemingly infinite space
funny fact, inside the HBTC there is a large clock and when you walk out the center entrance, time increases every step you take into an endless white void.
Hi Kyle from what I remember from the DBZ time chamber is it's a room that actually works as it's own dimension or a pocket dimension. So can it not be possible since it's a dimension separate from the earth that time and even gravity maybe denser than earths and time moves at a different speed. I think thats what akira toriyama might have been aiming for. Later on in the majin boo saga they try to trap majin boo in the time chamber by destroying the door and they succeed, but then majin boo powers up and screams so hard he punches a whole right throw spacetime and gets out (I know that's way to convenient , but this is no attack on titan writing!!! lol) ....I only use this cause think DBZ was trying to explain the vastness and intense gravity and abnormal weather changes of the chamber. ... I enjoyed your take on time dilation and I love watching nerdist and because science and the dan cave. I hope my explanation doesn't come off condescending( I'm just a big DBZ fan and I felt like I knew enough to say something)
Keep up the good work and just know nerdist has fans in the Bahamas. ... Thanks for reading.
Every time I go to the sauna at the gym I feel like that's how it'd be in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
*There's also the conundrum that there is increased gravity the further you go inside the HTC.
Actually, you can skew time with just velocity (mass and velocity are energy calculations and the total energy equates to gravitation). There are also various cheats you can use but most involve cutting through the bulk, or pushing massive objects through spinning space.
My theory, and I have a feeling it's pretty plausible considering this is Dragonball we're talking about, is that the hyperbolic time chamber is in reality a contained singularity. This would tick the gravity checkbox and offer a way for the time chamber to be the source of it's own power.
My quarrel with my own theory is that the time chamber has been destroyed before. Once in super that I can recall right now, and I'd think releasing a singularity like that would wreck havoc on a cosmic scale, sooooo. Yeah.
In the Time Chamber they also state the further you go out the higher the gravity is. so ultimately that place has massive gravity like a blackhole.
+Nerdist
I agree with everything except for your final conclusion, it could be gravitational as both Goku and Vegeta have trained in different gravaties (Planet Vegeta is 10x that of earth, as well as king kai's plabet and also goku trained in 100x earths gravity)
since the hyperbolic timechamber is on a different plane of existance (not using "dimension", as that means something else in physics) - the door could simply be a portal to a location that moves slower then earth (as the faster you go, the slower time goes)
never noticed this before but you are really good at writhing backwards!
In easier explanation is to bring up that it is described as a dimension within the building. The mass of the ground inside that dimension could in theory have limitless mass considering it is another dimension where physics could be completely different to our own.
Having said that though, if that was the case, the gravitational pull released on the earth when ever the door is opened should in theory act like a black hole and suck the planet inside it before eventually sucking the entire solar system inside.
actualy in show it is different dimension size of earth and door could act as portal
@Nerdist now pls tell me how 20+ episodes are 5minutes according to Frieza and you are gonna be my hero
Different planets have longer days and time than Earth, It's entirely possible that Frieza's home planet's 5 minutes is longer than our 5 minutes. You also have to take into account that some things are taking place at the same time as Frieza and Goku's fight
You can actually travel backwards in time and its very easy.
Just stand ad the board between MST and CST zone and walk into the MST - 1 hour backwards in time.
I'm pretty sure they actually explained it in the anime as the gravitational time dialation. That's why at first trunks wasn't able to stay in there very long. But it's also been a LONG time since I watched those episodes, so I may be mistaken
I think it has to do with mass because the hyperbolic time chamber is classified as an infinite plane of existence that bends the rules of time also another thing to note is that the gravity in that dimension is insanely ramped up in there than what there is on earth so that must be why there is such a great time dilation
Dude I've been going through all these episodes and you can literally scroll down the playlist and see his hair growing towards and then past Thor length loll
as soon as you mentioned velocity or mass first thing i thought of is why not do both? but that would still kill everything. wew
This is like game theory and film theory. I love it.
"But hey we are talking about a show with multiple resurrections and magic balls and talking dragons"
Kyle is more amazed by the fact that a dragon can speak than by the fact of the existence of dragons, that's how awesome he is xD
I've always seen the space on the other side of the door as a dimension of its own. So for the velocity needed would probably have to mean the dimension itself is moving quicker than earth's.
the increased gravity theory would make more sense in the show because Goku did say that in the time chamber the gravity is heavier. plus Gohan did say that the air was very heavy and if the air in the time chamber came from the outside the only way the air density would increase would be if the gravity had increased in the chamber.
Oh the wink is back!
I would personally use the chamber to learn all of Earth's languages and dialects and then travel the world :)
From what I remember in DBZ in the time chamber gravity IS heavier its shown when Gohan trys to walk out of the building he almost face plants due to gravity Inside the time chamber being stronger then outside
can you do something about the whole mirror discontinuation thing you have going on between cutscenes
We also have to remember twin Paradox so it's most likely gravitational time dialation(likely powered by a magical black whole) but then what's stopping them from being subjected to space time tearing gravity?
Superman with different types of Suns would be a good ep. :)
Somewhat unrelated to the video, but hearing you mention when the theory of relativity got started made me realize something.
The Cubs' last world series victory very nearly predates the theory of relativity. THAT'S HILARIOUS!
The theory of that the place is 2000 times bigger than the sun is the most plausible because when goku goes in it the first time he gets warned by Kami that if he goes too far, he'll get lost and die which may imply that the area is either "infinite" or just fucking huge in itself.
Please explain Hits time skip technique. That would be a good one
It could also just be a magical dimension that transports to a time one day after you enter when you exit. Depending on how long you were in there of course.
Imagine Kyle with super saiyan hair. I bet that hair would be more glorious than sephiroth's
Can you do a video behind how scouters are like in real life and how they could be possibly be made
Just gonna say, hyperbolic time chamber uses increased gravity in a potentially infinite pocket dimension that is travelling at an incredible speed, but is still, relative to the earth that is only connected by one metaphysical portal
within the Cell Saga, Trunks traveld backwarts in time. The Time Chamber works the same: after a year you simply travel back 1 day after you left ;P
Its a different Relm thus time could flow differently also the gravity is 10 times greater there which would effect the flow of time but this doesn't account for the the bedroom/house area on the platform by the door.
Heres one for you: What happens during a supersaiyan transformation that makes the body stronger?
The gravity after you step off the steps inside is roughly double that of Earth's. And the Japanese name for it is the room of space time. So, it's a combination of the gravity effect (which you explained) and magic to the reason why they could experience a year in the chamber while everyone else only experiences a day.
Best Dragon Ball pun I've heard "You know what I'm Sayan?" Lol