Some Thoughts on INFJ vs. INTJ
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- Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024
- David addesses a friend's questions by discussing some differences between INFJs and INTJs, as well as the differences that life paths can have on functional development. In a nutshell: INFJs bend logic to fit their moods, and INTJs bend themselves to fit their reasoning.
Feeler does NOT mean emotionally driven or biased or absence of logic when making decisions/perceptions. Feeler esp. NFs is more indicative of strong even idealitic (high standard) moral values/principles in decision making. They are perfectly capable of making logical decisions and take emotional bias out of the equation when pursuing objective knowledge. But in situations where it might be logically more expedient to decide one way at the expense of another person or violation of moral principles, Feelers are often compelled to choose the other way.
As a side note, INTJs I've met could be quite emotional even irrationally in their decision process at times, it's just that they are sometimes less conscious about it. They are often unaware of the underlying emotions driving some of their 'logical' decisions. INTJs have tertiary Fi and can be quite sensitive. Oddly enough INFJs despite being feelers, while very aware and often dead on about the core of other people's emotions/intentions, are often quite unware of their own emotions (shadow Fi) instead identifying with their tertiary Ti logic.
very interesting
I am an INTJ and am very aware of all my emotions, and I take them out of most decisions unless they are actually part of the decision, I do this usually by leaving the decision or situation and processing the emotion and returning to a neutral state and then coming back to the decision or situation hopefully as objective as possible.
Moral principles should be formed upon the basis of logic, and there should never be a conflict between the two. While you could argue that killing someone is immoral I would agree, but in the situation in which killing one person might save 5, it would not be a violation of my moral principles to do just that, though I would find the situation horrible, it would lead to the best outcome, 5 living people rather than just 1. Though if those 5 people are very old and likely to die soon, and the 1 was a very healthy child, it could be argued that saving the child would be better because the amount of life left in that one kid is more than the 5 old people even added together.
It went a bit ramble-y and I hope I didn't misconstrue or misunderstand what you said, but this is my opinion.
Dude shut up @C.S. You talk out of subjective ass.
@@templarkiller2926 Exactly, don't listen to this idiot. These Fe's always try to paint it so that there's no way you can be completly unbiased and unemotional regarding manners. It's simply a projection of their retarded selves and a complete refusal to believe they are in any way "inferior" or handicapped. So they come up with some bullshit to justify it... Ironically just like INFx TV addressed in the video...
INFJ here. I majored in (theoretical) math when I was an undergrad. Only recently found out I'm an INFJ and thought I was an INTJ for a while (at least I had the Ni function correct). I'm one of those who has a strong Ti and I'm working on strengthening my Fe since its overshadowed by my Ti. I have used Te in contexts like science labs, work, marching band etc. but it's not as strong as my Fe, and I find really have to filter Te stuff through Fe first thinking of how someone will benefit in the future, or how it will meet someone's needs. If you were to talk to me about Fi stuff, I will most likely look at you like a deer in the headlights. It's pretty weak since I naturally focus on other people's emotional state more than my own (unbalanced emotions suggests unmet needs).
***** Awesome breakdown, thanks for sharing! Lucky you for having Te worth using. Mine is comically bad. I'm probably one of the least efficient people I know, and I hated orgo labs because I have trouble following protocols! Funny you should mention Fi: I'm making a video regarding some Fi-Fe differences, and how it's vitally important for INFJs to get in touch with their Fi. I think we're really out of touch with our values/feelings/confidence in the face of the disagreement of others. INFJs can try to tailor themselves so that they'll be accepted, but they compromise their identity in the process. Hence the sensitivity and tendency towards delayed negative emotions.
I will break things down by cognitive function. The INFJ and INTJ can appear similar when you don't interact with them. Both are future oriented with an emphasis on navigating through time to the best possible future(Ni 1st function). Both have Se as function 4 for uncontrolled input of outside data. They differ greatly in their communication styles. I have a hunch that in intraverts function 2 is a communication function. With Fe, the INFJ communicates in terms of interpersonal harmony. With Te, the INTJ communicates in terms of impersonal facts. If they are not mindful of this they may talk past each other, as each's 2nd function is the other's 7th. The 7th function is usually the least developed and least valued(when I MBTI tested the people at work) The INTJ has no desire for the type of interpersonal harmony that the INFJ communicates, and the INFJ has no use for facts without humanity. I must be mindful of this when I talk to the INFJ that I supervise to make sure he gets a warm fuzzy so that he can operate at proper performance levels. I think that the reason people question whether they are INTJ or INFJ comes from an incomplete understanding of Fe and Fi. Both the INTJ and INFJ are capable of developing strong Fi. The INFJ has Fi as function 6, which is a hidden strength that may develop into the strongest function they have, but only available when under stress. The INTJ can have a strong Fi, but it may not develop until the INTJ has matured. Fi is concerned with what the individual believes is true, not emotion. Intrapersonal harmony. Fi is a private thing. Fe on the other hand is concerned with interpersonal harmony, and communicating emotional states is part of it. For the standard INTJ, Fe is a soggy bag of pheromones.
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as an INFJ female, I have honed my Fe over the entirety of my 41 years... Recently, I went back to college... And I was so focused on my academics I couldn't focus on anything else, I think at this time ... My Ti was dominant.. As is was a cause I verily believed in.. Strangely, for myself. Once I finished, my Fe came back on full force. So perhaps there are times when one is more dominant than the other, pursuant to the goal.
+Julie G-K also when you're using a function that goes against your type you are using more of your own psych resources...and therefore you have less for everything else. i'm in retail which is a very ESFP environment and it is EXHAUSTING for this INTJ because extroverting, emoting, being present and using all senses, and not having a plan or even know what your job is sometimes, is absolutely mindnumbingly hard.
Your Ti took more resources so naturally you had to focus because you were using much of your internal energy to learn.
Maybe these peronality tests would be easier to understand if it were emphasized that these are YOUR functions you would be using in YOUR ideal environment?
Julie G-K I can relate to that about some of my high school years. I was dedicating so much to my studies that I spent virtually every moment of the day alone staring at my books, but when the summer break began it sort of disappeared. I was really depressed during that time though.
I can completely related to this. When I was at uni I was very much in my Ti functioning because I had to be and also because it is one of my strongest functions as an INFJ. The Fe was still there but it got pushed back quite a bit. Once I graduated, the Fe came rolling back in.
I'm an INFJ and went the technical route, computer engineering, no regrets, still love it after all these years.
This is one of the saner MBTI videos I've seen. Nice job.
As an INTJ, I'd like to make two points here. First, your need to avoid looking judgmental disturbs me slightly. Just pose your theory, no matter what the normative or evaluative implications of it. Second, I love you. Fuck. x
I think the "lower level" Fe for a male INFJ is fairly common-- I feel this way. But, more accurately, I think that the Fe for many male INFJ's just has a different quality to it than "typical" Fe.
Hi David. I'm an INFJ 5w4. I took the MBTI Step II assessment. I only had a 1% preference for F over T. I was solid I, N, and J. Also, Step II breaks down each letter into 5 facets. In T/F it had me favoring logic which is a T preference. My Step II type was therefore "Logical INFJ." You and your friend may be similar, having only a very slight preference for F over T. Also it is quite possible to have more developed Ti than Fe, although your preference in decision making favors Fe. I would say that I encapsulate most of my Ti process with Fe. I strive to be logical, yet I cannot divorce how it affects others in the process.
I'm not an academic. I'm in sales where I get a lot of Fe use. Also being a 5w4 I spend a LOT of time reading and processing. I have lots of wild, speculative ideas that just might be true. Ha ha!
You posted this on my birthday, how fitting ;)
I would say my Fe is definitely domineering over my Ti. So much so, in fact, that I've internally felt it as a problem at work, whether or not is shows externally I don't know as my boss hasn't said anything. My work is heavy on programming and basically non-existent in the human interaction category which has left me been feeling its insidious effects. More and more these days I feel drawn to more artistic cravings like painting, gardening, crafting, human behaviour analysis, etc. and less on the systematic thinking patterns. It is so hard for me to engage with my work because my thinking pattern can't latch on to the logic on my screen in front of me because I can't 'feel' it. I even try to force myself to use my Ti but that just feels like trying to speak a language that I don't even know. So, I think my path is trying to change.
I will say though, I notice my Ti is dominate when I'm in a system I am comfortable with or one that I have already felt and judged. The best example is where I keep things at home or my own personal agenda I have set for myself. It is usually very rigid and things are kept in strict order, but I cannot apply the same patterns to my work projects perhaps because I don't see or feel them as my own. Also because it's been incredibly difficult penetrating these projects to understand its guts and inner mechanics. Does that make sense?
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My Fe screws me up constantly. I tend to be more Ti driven. It's quite a roller coaster ride at times.
I am also feel more comfortable with my Ti, because Fe can make me tired beeing in negatively crowded emotionally charged environments like supermarkets, public transports...
Hi there, I know exactly what you mean. I got fed through an educational system which fostered my ability to be logical and encouraged me to go the scientific route though I was also artistic and privately enjoyed this dreamy explorative environment far more. Over the years I have come to realise that my true desire is to go down the artistic route and have never been happier than since I gave myself permission to go after this and apply myself this way. I think just because we 'can' go the scientific route, it doesn't necessarily follow that this will bring us the most satisfaction or personal fulfillment. It is probably a reflection of which traits tend to be valued more in society and school thinking they are preparing you for the available jobs etc. Also, because we absorb others feelings, expectations and beliefs so readily, it's difficult to sift out what our real desires are versus the desire to please or create harmony. Thanks for video.
INFJ here, I take science and understand mystical phenomenon. So I am very big into neuroscience, comparative religion, psychology, philosophy, and more what I would put under "existence" subjects. I take a very logical approach to what I would call organic or humanistic system. When you were speaking about INFJs get a feeling and then they come up with a model of reality to fit their feeling. I think that it sounds like you were saying INFJ rationalize. Rationalize means the build models backwards from the conclusion, which is a logical fallacy. INFJs can and do build models off the facts. U am very careful not to fall into the 'confirmation bias' hole of backwards model building. So I would say INFJ gets a feeling and they have intuitions something is a certain way, but then I take my thinking side and I break it down logically to flush out any biases. So it's an interplay. I get a insight, then I break it down and make sure it is accurate... This is our super power we do this process over and over. Balanced logic and abstraction. Wholistic thinking. Not only that we build mutiplue models and weigh them emotionally and logically. No one model is ever set in stone though.
I am an INTJ and you are mostly right, However I would say that very much like an INFJ, I do use my Ni very similarly and we do not ignore it as we can't since like INFJ's it is our primary function. But the way we utilize it is different. I will use it tied in with Te so I get a gut feeling or premonition about a logical aspect or to foresee how something like a scientific experiment is going to pan out and what the likely conclusion/conclusions are going to be. I also use it to analyse people logically and can get an idea of their intentions or perspective. However not emotionally, which is what INFJ's can do far better, but not as good analyzing logically as an INTJ, but you can pretty well,but not to the same extent as an INTJ.
I'm an INFJ and I've decided to go to med school since my 12yo. For a time I've thought that I was an INTJ, because sometimes I feel that I'm much more a thinker than a "feeler", but on the other hand, I find myself better in INFJs characteristics in general, even if I still have some specific INTJ characteritics.I still have some doubts about it, but I don't know, probably I have some strong Ti, well, I don't think I know enough about the cognitive functions, I still have a lot to learn.
It kind of interesting how many people think they are INTJ or INFJ, when they don't even know what introverted intuition is, but if you know that you're an Ni dom, then the hard part is over. All you have to do at this this point, is determine whether you make decisions and communicate with Te or Fe. These two functions are very different, so it shouldn't be too difficult to determine which one comes more naturally. Go to any one of the several websites that specifically discuss cognitive functions, and study both Te and Fe. Anyone who does this should know very quickly which one they naturally prefer to use.
Also, just because you think your Ti is stronger, doesn't mean it is. If that were the case, then you would be a TP type, where your Ti would come before your Fe. I'm an ENTJ, and I overuse my tertiary function (Se), which is not necessarily good. I have to remind myself that I'm not an SP, and I can't just improvise in the moment like a dominant or auxiliary Se user can. I grew up playing sports, so this is the reason for my overuse of Se. I sometimes neglect to use Ni before Se, which is a big mistake.
+J The ENTJ I agree, the number of people identifying with INTJ or INFJ is surprisingly high. I believe some of it is because typology-based communities are a sort of filter where some types are more likely to be attracted to it, so the concentration of INxJs in that filtered party is higher. I also think some of it is because of people going by stereotypes and not cognitive functions (which you alluded to). I don't personally know any INTJs who think they're INFJs, but I think it's commoner for the opposite to occur.
I tend to disagree that a tertiary function can't be more developed than a secondary (and by extension, stronger), but you definitely have a point. I think a tertiary function can be temporarily stronger than a secondary, but its development will never reach the level that the secondary could with the proper attention. Basically, strength is up to the user to chose and develop, but natural ability is not. I don't think it's different than other skills, really. Your observation is consistent here, though: I've recently speculated (from a few comments and my own observations) that my Fe might not be weak at all, only that I point it at different things and am not wrapped up in the illusion of the benefits of social politeness/conformity that it had initially presented me with. While I'm out of touch a bit with my social graces (I say awkward shit all the time), I use my Fe extensively when doing my design work, because I rely on feeling myelf into the objects of my attention.
+J The ENTJ Also, are you familiar with Personality Hacker? They have a podcast episode where they mentioned ENTJs neglecting their Ni. Is this common? I tend to sense Ni strongly from them in real life.
+INFx TV
Yes, I am aware of Personality Hacker. I haven't seen the specific podcast about ENTJs neglecting their Ni. However, from my own experience of playing a lot of sports growing up, my Ni was probably neglected a bit because I was over-using Se. Plus, intuition can make us look weird in the eyes of others, so I can see how some ENTJs, or intuitives in general, may try to suppress their intuition to fit in more easily.
I totally agree. It's easy to get immersed in the Se world when it's a big part of your daily life, and there is a lot of encouragement, shall we say, to be on the same wavelength as the people surrounding you. I go long periods of time without using my dominant Ni...or rather, honoring it...too busy with life! Not at all healthy in the long run.
@@playboyjla I definitely hear you. Im an INTJ and developed my ESFP subconscious socializing with people and playing sports. INTJs develop their subconscious early on, I think, in order to cope with the school (and sports) environments, which are so Se (and Fi) driven. Definitely hear you here. I played sports in a very Ni way (I was a strong center midfielder in soccer). But there, learning to turn off your mind (auxiliary Te), and getting in touch with your body (Fi) and the world around you (Se), is paramount. You could argue that even turning off your intuition is helpful. But for me, in a strategic position, I kept a map in my head and was constantly rearranging outcomes, seeing through sequences of several moves, in order to decide how to dictate the flow of play. A famous center midfielder, Zidane, has the nickname The Maestro (which is a lot like The Strategist or The Mastermind). In that role, I would ask constantly myself, 'How do we score right now?' Even when we didn't have the ball. And I would reverse engineer sequences in order to make them happen. As I turned, I kept a map of who was around me and where, so that when I would receive the ball I would know where we could attack quickly. This is why you always see center midfielders looking around them to take note of where people are. They are developing plans so that when they get the ball and turn, they have a plan of attack and dont need to take time to develop one. One touch into space, and they're gone. When you can counter attack with speed you are lethal. Anyway, my approach was more Ni than Te, I would say. I could also empathize with other players and know where they would play the ball, or what they would do. Weird stuff. But it definitely was my introduction to practicing mindfulness: turning off my logical mind to a degree and getting more in touch with my body. I could see attackers being more Se/Fi driven; just run and gun kind of thing. What positions did you play (and which sports)?
i'm an INFJ and I studied audiovisual production, more on the creative side, but now i'm studyng history xD. But I have to say that science facinates me.
Am an INTJ poet. So was Lewis Carroll.
So you asked what path did other infjs take, academic or otherwise. I'm a musician primarily, but I spent about twenty years teaching musical subjects in academia. Got out of it recently and I'm much happier. I'm concentrating more on MY projects, not just giving everything out all the time.
That tertiary development is something i think i share.Namely,in my case,Si.I constantly look back to my past and stick to what i've done before to justify or explain things.One of those things being studies and whether or not it's a good idea to go back now.
Great theory. I have been typed as INTJ, however after looking at the functions I find I'm an INFJ. Incidentally 5w4 enneagram. I think it is possible to be 'fluent' in all of your functions to such a degree it blurs the lines. At the end of the day though, if we recognise what our functions are then we can play to there strengths and over come their weaknesses.
This video definitely met my expectations for a functional discussion. You pretty much hit the nail on the head of this INxJ debate for me. I've considered myself INTJ, due to my obvious lack of connection with emotions and the emotional realm (my own and others). However, getting older and more developed (mostly through conscious effort) I had to start wondering if my assumption was correct.
Maybe you can offer your thoughts and see if my takeaway is the same as yours. I struggle with knowing if, in the case of INFJ, I've been relying heavily on my tertiary Ti and virtually ignoring my Fe to organize my world. I am in a scientific/academic world, based heavily on reason and logic but funny enough with people-oriented long term implications (I attribute this to my J driver, making me actually want to see the realization of my work in the world). But if my original conclusion is correct, my "seeing from multiple perspectives" is just my dominant Ni doing it's job, no conscious effort needed, and my Te organizing that information, and I'm finally starting to see an emergence of Fi, tumultuous as it may be at this point. I am sensitive to the state of the room or state of others, but I tend to be very detached and regard it mostly as a fact or extra information to add.
Your comment of INFJs are more prone to whimsy and gut feelings does not fit with me, but your last comment made me wonder if you hadn't gone far enough. I use negative feelings (that I have no idea where the heck the came from) as sort of a barometer for when something is up. I go looking for possibilities that could be causing the reaction, and build my theories from there. I'm definitely a logic-oriented person, regardless of type. The facts don't change based on the feeling, but I can color the feeling differently or give it different language to make sense (it HAS to make sense in order for me to feel it, basically). I have a close INFJ friend who is in touch with her Fe, always has been, and we communicate really easily except on one point... When I am having a situation, she asks me "What does your gut tell you?", my reaction is "I don't know, I haven't thought about it yet".
I resonate heavily with the good and difficult INxJ experience; future-oriented, easily sees implications, sensitive, isolationists, metaphor prone, and wildly esoteric. In your opinion and experience, what does an undeveloped Fe with a more developed Ti look like versus a fairly functional Te and weakly developing Fi? Thanks for your help.
I am an Academic INFJ and I approve!!!
Man, it is great got finely see some one very much like me.
I am an Academic INFJ. Funny thing is I got scored as an INTJ again tonight when I took that test. So I am still trying to get to the bottom of this. But this video of yours has cleared things up!
I love school more then my own room... um maybe lol I decided early on that I was going to work with computers (even though I excel at art). Currently I am going for a degree in IT and am considering Finance. Maybe I can do both!
You said it perfectly. The Ti over shadows the Fe. But, I feel for an intellectual type of person I am very keen as to how I am effecting others and while I fight hard to not let others emotions take a hold of me (leads me to the illusion that they don't affect me), they ultimately do. I hardly let my own emotions control an outcome unless it's to avoid physical and emotional discomfort. Such as choosing not to argue.
As a result I can relate to pretty much anyone and am almost always well received by those I encounter. Not because of my intellect, but because of my warmth (I guess its warmth, I am still pretty reserved). I would loved to be respected for my mind, maybe it's why I like school so much.
Thanks, Akil Jahi. I'm glad I could help! Even if Fe isn't strong compared to Ti, it can give the necessary warmth to be generally well-receive. And yes, most people in intellectual/academic fields of your pursuit are high-T/low-F users, which could bring out your sensitivity to personal problems in those arenas. Be sure to take advantage of it, because it's something unique and valuable you can bring to the table to help yourself and others! Choosing not to argue is a very characteristic feature of INFJs. Just be careful it doesn't turn into bottled resentment! *shudders at personal memories* Also you should totally do both degrees!
INFx TV Indeed. I have thinking the ultimate person would be a INTJ that by some miracle had high Fe. In my case (which shows to me I can't be INTJ) being assertive in day day causes is tough. Only when really have been pushed to the brink can I effortlessly release it. Hence I find myself battling resentment. Good thing is I know its ultimately my fought if I harbor resentful feelings, so it helps me move on and not become destructive.
Do you feel (or think haha) that you were born with more Ti or it developed to such power with age?
I am the complete opposite T/F of you. i score INTJ 90% of the time and pretty much am settled that I'm an INTJ, but my life has revolved itself around the really really strong use of Fe and I actually usually score with only a "slight", ever so slight, preference to T.
The difference is I completely ignore anything internal and I go by facts and data. I have lots of gut reactions and instincts and many times they are absolutely right. BUT. I never ever am guided solely by them and always revert to facts, reason, logic, what I can SEE, or common sense...mostly because "feelings" IMHO are just feelings....unreliable, illogical, unverifiable in the short and immediate run of things.
+artisanrox Bro did you also start off as a ENTJ witty smart individual as kid, a bit arrogant? :) Feel like we can't be classified, we can only act in role. :) checkout my INTP vids btw come off as all personality types, everytime doing the test :)
I'm an INFJ. I have kind of married my analytical and emotional strengths in clinical Psychology working in the mental health field. I enjoy science, but I also like to be able to let my mind interpret and see patterns and connections. I write Clinical notes, and assess scientifically, but I am also able to connect emotionally with patients and exercise that side of myself. When I am leaning more clinically, I find a need to be creative on my own time--music, writing, painting, etc. I've come across a lot of literature explaining the ability of an INFJ to be almost equally "right and left brained". I have found this to be accurate in my own experience.
PointandCase This sounds very characteristically INFJ to me. INFJs can have a very strong ability to bridge gaps between the personal and impersonal sides of things. You'll be a breath of fresh air to the mental health field! Keep it going! I also find that the more technical intensity my life demands, the more need I have to indulge artistically and creatively when I get a chance. I guess the pendulum swings. What type of music, writing, painting do you do? Do you draw any inspiration from the countertransference when connecting with patients?
I'm an INTJ and I do the whole bias thing too. ;)
But I am willing to change if I exhaust all efforts and and have to restructure/reconcile my approach to fit a more comprehensive "big picture" point of view.
2:30 INFJs: however they bloody well feel at the time, hahaha I love it!
My husband is INFJ. Actually, he's Ni/Fe/Ti/Se, in almost equal measure (he was definitely pushed toward ISTP pursuits growing up). He actually grew up as a car mechanic, and his first major in college was in engineering. He changed his major after he hit calculus, though, and switched to business and music. Today, he's a naval officer and plans to pursue commercial aviation after his service. His primary hobby is still mechanics, and he's very athletic and can make really impulsive decisions when it comes to material things, but for as much Se and Ti as he uses, he does use Ni and Fe enough to where it doesn't quite make sense to call him an ISTP.
I'm ISFP, and I often feel that I have a stronger relationship with Ni than he does, but I think most of his Ni is used up on mechanics and worrying about things without doing anything about them. ;) Half of mine is used on figuring out how to get crap done (Ni-Te), and the other half is in finding meaning to intrapersonal and ethical issues (Fi-Ni).
I am an INFJ dominant FE, artist/ musician. I am older and have definitely noticed myself using, leaning on my TI function more as time goes on though.
I am definitely an infj with a more creative side, and dancing is my passion. Since I was a child, let's say as far back as six years old. I can remember thinking in a philosophical way. I would spend my recess time by myself just thinking about life.
I am an INFJ and consider myself quite academic, fascinated by the sciences and the arts. I study English in university, which actually nurtures my INFJ-ness really well because English is the study of literary ART, but in studying I get to apply rigorous, logic-driven academic analysis. I understand INFJs as having the capacity and feeling the necessity to entertain both sides. When I write music and poetry I'm like an INFP, when I study at school I'm like an INTJ.
went from art in college to dentistry; along the line I found hypnosis and became a very intuitive, talented hypnotherapist. there have been those who have said , why didn't you do hypnosis a long time ago. well, I needed to test and accomplish myself; I needed to know pain so I could tell a client that I only need concepts to make hypnosis successful; I needed to stop denying my subconscious and trust that collaboration within. In short, I wasn't ready until I was ready and the moment was in front of me. So, I'm now 79 years of age with more than 45 years of solid, successful, hypnosis for therapy, and I have discovered that Helen, my subconscious, while I'm in trance with a client, is there and a corroborative as well as collaborative co-pilot in the stake of "suggestion". I have never not been amazed when concluding a trance. I have a life-long partner who never leaves, and that's a good thing ! My suggestion to everyone is to find your subconscious asap and "row, row, your boat, gently down the stream."
I also agree about the Ti dominance (again, I feel similarly). Perhaps this quite common amongst INFJ males?...
Hi! I have question for you! (You don't have to answer it of course!) I just found your channel and I love it. I'm an INFJ and one of my best friends is INTJ and we can't really discuss things without one of us (almost always the INFJ - me) gets hurt. I sometimes feel like she's way to cold and rational and she thinks I'm too sensitive so on. Have you guys got any tips on how to make it easier to discuss when one of you is INFJ and the other one is INFJ? Like what should I think about to make it easier and what could she think about in those situations? I'm sorry if this is a really stupid question, also I apologize because I'm terrible with putting thoughts into words and english is not my first language. /Evie
INFJ thinking is multifarious & poly-dynamic, INTJ tends towards linear deductive reasoning. I think it is easier for an INFJ to adapt to the INTJ than the other way round...
Start picturing what they say as logical pictures, like things connecting together, instead of the tone in which they are saying. INTJs often get excited about what they are talking about and aren't really paying attention to how they feel. So their energy can get kind of intense or whatever. If you picture literally what they are saying, as logical connections, you will be seeing more from their point of view. Stop feeling them out in space and start picturing what they are saying, in your mind, instead. That is more how they think.
@@Seafox0011 English isn't her first language bro XD
LOVE this video! I've seen INFJs use reasoning in such a particular way to back up what they want. I'm sure they can "get away with it" too if the person they're communicating with isn't paying attention, haha :P
INTJs definitely don't do that - they will always succumb to the logic (or "objective truth") of a situation, regardless of how they feel about it.
I think this video is excellent because it highlights this difference so well, and it's one of the sure fire ways to determine whether you're an F or a T.
I have, for the longest time, thought my personality type to be an INTJ. I recently took the MBTI test again (multiple times) and got the results of INFJ. Since, I've been comparing the two and feel that I have characteristics of both of the personality type descriptions. I'm a software developer, am drawn to code and putting together complex systems, but at the same time am also very interested in the philosophical side. Perhaps I'm just on the border of T and F? Or perhaps after getting married and expecting a daughter, my T personality type has swayed to more of an F?
I only searched this up because my friend is an INFJ XD and I got bored. (I am an INTJ BTW) I thought she was an INTJ at first but when she took it she got INFJ, and when I searched it most INFJ truly do care about their environment and what others feel or think etc. and that is the difference of us two, she cares too much about everyone's feelings when I just .. this does not mean I don't care about others, I do , It's just that it's really hard for me to open up to everyone, It's hard to socialize and everything.. It's true I can be really boring because I find it uncomfortable if there is many people around me, 2-3 people are alright but 5 or higher I feel left out so I just kinda leave and enjoy being with myself.
INFJ classical musician/newbie photographer here. In my late 20s currently unemployed. I'm considering making photography (small events, headshots, etc) my primary business and being involved in music as a supplement (teaching private lessons, concert photography/journalism, creating an alternative music scene (ie house concerts over traditional venues)...I currently volunteer with a symphony and could see myself playing in the pros but "unhealthy" competition isn't in my nature. I've always had an interest in technology and originally went to college for comp science but I have no idea what I could do besides customer support which is something I don't want to waste my time, though I am interested in finding a tech related hobby. I could go on but i figure this could be enough.
It’s very common for infj’s to be successful in academia particularly sociology, psychology, education, health sciences, creative arts and politics. Academic disciplines that enable to connect and understand others behaviours...which intjs can struggle with.
I am an INFJ, I promise.
There is so much being said in this video!
(thanks to your 'Ni attempting to be verbalized')
my disclaimer: just a few thoughts/reactions to what you said, below.
Some evidence of your strong Fe: disclaimers posted as you speak in your highly edited video... obvious (to me) concern for how you are being perceived/understood.
You can only attempt to control what you say so much before it gums up the freedom of openly talking about your ideas without preemptively feeling challenged and then trying to adjust/disclaimer what you say on the fly.
I honestly think in an academic setting, INFJs feel constantly under pressure to answer the (Te) question "How?" how did you get "there"? how can that be done? Show me how. The 'how' is antagonistic to the Ni-Fe "Why?/ What?" mindset.
I think a better way to figure out the INTJ/INFJ question is the ability to answer the question: How? INTJs are all about applying objective logic, asking and answering the how question.
Are the other INFJs you speak of (with, (as you see it) better Fe), women?
I've found that INFJ women in general are way more unapologetic using their Fe, they trust it more, possibly due to being more culturally supported.
Thanks, I think that clears things up for me. I've always tested INTJ but whenever I hear the qualitative sides of these two types, I feel I identify more with INFJ.
And I don't think this discussion on academic pursuit is weird at all. I'm doing my master's in engineering, because I'm good at it and I enjoy this idea of positivist truths like in science. But that doesn't mean I have no outlet or passions or life choices reflecting that other side. I play multiple instruments and constantly debated arts over science, as well as having a deep appreciation and understanding for (as an engineer I'm sure you'll love this next description xD) "soft sciences."
I find it a little bit polarizing though. It's isolating being one of few in the engineering culture to see the significance and subjectivity of all science, like sociology and engineering respectively.
Hi, I'm an INFJ. I think people or INTJ and MYSELF have a certain shame or feel akward about moments where we kind of have this strike of genius and then we talk and make associations as we talk and the person we're with who makes us feel comfortable sees that we are emotional about this so...tends to undermine what we say and the facts that we've said. When that happened I saw his face, I asked him what was wrong, and he smiled in a mesquin, mean way of laughing at me. It really showed me that these facts of life and associations I made are my screams and my pointing of how the world and how people work wasn't for everybody. Some people just don't like hearing this stuff and have selective listening.. Like Carl Jung said..these are primal screams like telling someone we found water and we want to be heard by the herd and we should listen. But if I was another person, I'm not sure I'd listen to me. So I understand. What I understood tho' is in this world...we have to be discreet, not arrogantly share our points of view of the world, let the people do it, and correct their wrongs and amplify their truth. So I don't just dwell on the fact that I should talk and YOU should listen. I should be the bigger person..I should really shut up. Now I'm in an academic path in psychology. Do I feel motivated? Yes. Do I feel that what I do is full of purpose? No. I'm doing this to have a career. This sentence by itself alone makes me disgusted. I am in security. So YEAH, clearly for me....that's a flaw...Maybe I should do what my chill friends do and go to B-C..Maybe I should be in a band till I'm 40 and live dangerously. But I understand my move or any other move in this world with a broken system.. And no, INFJs don't BEND logic. We don't play with facts...We say facts but with colors, emotions, associations, sometimes we portray it so YES it'll sound more subjective and less neutral of a description..BUT still is a fact. And we don't bend logic to fit our mood, we will generally excuse ourselves if we ever get to be overly dramatic or overly woopieee because we notice other's people reactions to that and you can see it robs them from the confidence to express themselves with power and conviction and feel little. You should never make someone feel little. The only time I will bend logic is to save someone from humiliation, or from danger..I can also lie if I have to. But in a true conversation with someone, my GOAL anyways, is to be as straightfoward as possible because I really express myself from A to Z to C and get really lost. My goal is to make people feel comfortable to share with me things they would'nt with another person..I have no time to play with logic. I hope I helped and not just bore everybody out to the point of shitting their soul out of their bodies.
I cant tell if I'm infj infp or intj
I guess I have difficulty knowing how I see myself and how others see me.
I'm an infj. I studied music and theatre for years now and I always felt limited in my expressions because for the sake of exams you can't improvise and you must apply logic to art which I found tough
I did really well in sciences but particularly in maths but not mental maths I can't think quickly in my head ..I'm more about finding meaning ...
So now I'm doing both which is visual anthropology!
I'm an INFJ, more on the logic though as I took finance. Although, I feel like I'm in between cause I'm now in management and I guess there's just a balance of both types judging on the circumstance I will be in. I can be considerate to my direct reports feelings but still stick to what has to be done. Now, it came to a point where it's inhumane to me, weekend and holiday overtimes and incompetent managers so in a way, Fe and Ti are both catalysts to my actions. I can also be very blunt to people I'm close with - INTJ yet very careful to those I'm not close with - INFJ.
Bipolar disorder, I guess, which makes me complex.
Hey! As an INFJ,i have a question about your/(our?) Ti.I just finished high school and before entering college,we(those my age in my country) are having like 5 months break/free time while we wait for our exam results.
And since i don't really have anything academically to study for/chase after right now..i haven't used my Ti for quite some time.
Maybe when i don't really have any (academically) goals to chase after,my Ti is almost...uh...not really in use?
(But when i use my Ti,i love it.I could study for long hours and it's fun.)
I don't know if you get what i mean but yeah.
Basically,i use my Ti when i have to,when i have goals to reach.But with nothing to chase after,i have been using it much less.
Can you relate?Is this an INFJ thing or NF or just me?
// sorry for my bad english! I'm not a native English speaker :-))
thank you and i like your video!
So Fi-e is knowing or understanding other emotions?
I'm an INFJ and chose to study Biology at the university. I have an appreciation for the sciences but at the same time love the arts ( music especially ). I also like to think about the mysteries in our world from a non-academic and "sciency" viewpoint. So yeah, I'm kind of floating in between these two worlds that interest me.
I considered intj very briefly, just to make sure I'd covered all my bases. The reason I realised I should consider it was a video in which an INTJ mentioned how "if you think you can see any type of aura, you're not an intj" and I laughed because it was the kind of thing I could imagine myself saying.
Anyway I leaned towards...doing whatever I felt like at the time, so I left school early, then I ended up doing 6 years of various education programs including college, in 3 different subjects. And I came out of it all realising I probably should have stuck in school and become a teacher or professor...I enjoy being in an educational environment and I often ended up teaching other students who were struggling. I also enjoy getting a break for the various holidays, as I find I just get way too sick of people after a while and need a break.
So, yeah, I like academia(even if I cheated on and abandoned it several times ;))... And I don't really relate to mysticism or new age spirituality stuff. I once saw someone mention how "any good infj will be interested in the esoteric side of things"(referring to new age spirituality) and I was like...ughhhh, no? Honestly my mother is a self professed psychic, so I think I've just had my fill, been there, done that, bought the t shirt, all by 10 years old. I have a theory that infjs being drawn to the esoteric is probably naturally due to Ni seeking individualism and not conforming to the norm, rather than because Ni is in anyway inherently psychic/spiritual(which is the conclusion sometimes drawn), and that because I was brought up in a house where tarot cards and crystal balls were "the norm", I don't feel a need to explore that in my adult life.
The reasons I don't think I could possibly be intj are because I think I have pretty strong Fe, and I relate strongly to that Ni/Fe struggle INFJs have, and there's a lot about intjs I just don't relate to at all. My dad was so typically INTJ he actually did maths for fun, I was always good at maths but it draws the same appeal for me as football. ie none. So, in short, I think I'm a Ti strong INFJ. This is probably partly because my parents appear to be INFJ and INTJ, so maybe genetics played a role. Also I think I just don't see spirituality/esoteric stuff as any different from any other major religious beliefs. To me spirituality is really a very personal thing, which should be distinct and owned by the individual, when people come together to explore similar beliefs it strikes me as distorting the weight of their subjective experiences and being at best misleading, and at worst dangerous(as is any major religion imo). Funnily my husband is INFP and his mother believes in the same kind of things mine does, and he is also quite skeptical like me. So I think with these non conformist personality types it is probably a lot down to what we were exposed to in our youth. If we'd been exposed to a typical major religion during the 1960s like our mothers were, we might have gone the esoteric direction, but in this day and age "spirituality" has become the new religion in a lot of areas, and we don't feel inclined to conform to "the universe" anymore than we'd conform to Jesus. I think as spirituality/religion continues to redefine and gain/lose popularity, we could see changes in the typical stereotypes of various personality types, which reflect this social evolution.
This is all just theory though, obviously, based on my experience. I'm sure there are many people who have conflicting experiences or observations.
Im strong I,N, and J but i’ve always gotten 51% T and 49% F so i’m right in the middle of these two types pretty much and it gets a bit confusing sometimes
I understand exactly what you mean about the Ti, I know several INFJs many of which are into dance, culture and art.. Ive always been into physics and philosophy, always coming up with theories on how to explain things. I found that a lot of my theories expanded across fields and I began focusing on those. Are you by chance multi talented in many fields? are you Immediately good at understanding complex theories?
Precisely how I feel! The older I get and the more I learn across many fields, the more I have the sensation (it's almost physical sometimes) that there aren't that many ideas in the universe, just a few core concepts with a billion faces. And yes, I like nothing more than wrapping my head around theories, especially if they are highly complex or technical. I tend to pick up on concepts very quickly, although the details often lag behind sometime. I'd consider my abilities wide-ranging for sure, although I'm not an expert in any of them. Do you feel similarly?
Oh there is no doubt, I feel there is a resurgence in "renaissance" mentality coming on soon. And those little "details" are becoming increasingly easy to fill in. I never had the Te or Si to be any good at memorizing rote math or spelling, but Ive always felt I understood logic and how to use that logic in language.
Wondering what your engineering back ground is, what are some projects you really enjoyed?
***** heck yes! The Maker Movement (is that trademarked? it should be!) is definitely proof of that. RUclips & Forums are for filling in details for us detail-challenged people ;) I have a B.S. in chemical engineering and worked in the power industry for a couple years as a controls engineer writing logic for power plants. I'm also into electronic music production (search 'Retrologik' on soundcloud...tis me!), and am currently trying to start my own company designing synthesizers. What are your interests/background/projects?
I'm a personal equestrian trainer, and i'm pretty lucky in the fact that I am able to use all my senses, most of the time. I have to say I use Ti a lot but when it comes down to explaining a certain movement to the horse/rider I get to use my feelers (LOL) and metaphors, so to speak in order to relay that to someone else. haha if that makes any sense at all
I used to question whether I was actually an INTJ too, but after having latched onto the cognitive functions fully and in depth I realized I am just an INFJ moving into developing/with a more developed Ti atm. And I hadn't realized it until now, but my subject focus' and creative outlets have definitely changed rather drastically from one to the other over the course of my life. From toddler to about early freshman year of highschool, I think I was more. . Shall I say, reliant(?) on my Ni and so art was the only thing I knew growing up then. In fact, I would always be dancing, drawing or animating, or doing something artistic for the most part. But then. . I experienced what I would naturally term as a "reboot" (it just felt like one, it probably wasn't in the most realistic sense) and I completely gave up arts. But what made it more devastating impression-wise was that, my whole life i only knew how move about my life with art and my teachers had been cheering and encouraging my talent to someday get into an art college etc. Contrary to that, I had left those things in a very detached, almost spacey way? I had no idea what came over me, in fact I fell into a temporary state of depression because I felt I had no control over what was happening to me. Anyway-- skip that part, I had somehow gotten into the self-improvement subject and one of the things I did was help a friend of mine run this Q&A/lifelessons/advice blog. And I remember becoming so attached to the site and the people who came by and left questions-- I felt like helping people better understand their situations and themselves was my new feat. I realize I was developing my Fe at this time. Lol But then later after that. . . Just as sudden as how the first burn out came and went, so did this one. I had said goodbye to the blog and the people I met there, I had completely ditched the concept it seemed. And I was lost again for some time, until I started getting into these spiritual and intellectual things, like quantum physics and psychology and just some things I never forsaw myself getting into 3 years ago. Lately this has been the most enriching batch of knowledge and subjects closest to me at this very point in my life. It is also the point I found out about MBTI and personality types etc. So this has been a way for my Ti to shape and come into better form, now that I step back and look at it. . .
It's so interesting and exciting to just note here, had to share. .lol xD
Oops, meant to give an opinion on the Fe / Ti motivational differences in INFJs. It can definitely do with enneagram and your upbringing. But. . . From my current perspective (and referencing my own personal life that wouldn't apply to all INFJs ofc) I think INFJs who seem "low in Fe / higher in Ti" are not necessarily lower in Fe. Honestly I really find that a skewed misinterpretation of what Fe actually is versus what Fe can hold potential of "doing/manifesting", two separate things in my mind. And because Ni is our dom and not Fe (or any other more "grounded" function for the matter), I think INFJs will definitely be more diverse in that aspect alone. Another thing. . Is that, i think INFJs who are more academically/intellectually inclined than other "more Fe INFJs" can be due to the fact of being *passed* Fe intentions and motivations. What do I mean by that, I mean that the more academic INFJ is developing Ti to further resonate and build with Ni and Fe alltogether, whereas. . The Fe-INFJ has not been "called towards" or at worse "influenced/threatened by some life experience" to shape their Ti more. In some aspect, I consider an Fe-INFJ to be more. . Pure? Maybe not pure but simple-minded (not in the sense of mediocricy) by which they live a life that is rich in the feelings by the external environment, therefore, they have more than enough reason to just settle further into their Fe. For me, I grew up without a social life, my parents kept me inside all the time when I wasn't in school so I didn't really have any life-enriching experiences to add into my Fe library. I had no other obvious choice than to just tag Fe a couple times for the amount of experience I was able to digest, and then move onto Ti. That's just how I understand the more Ni/Ti-INFJs compared to Fe-INFJs. I have seen a lot of Fe-INFJs whom I would consider "not seeing the bigger picture" versus Fe-INFJs who may see me as "judgemental or detached/low in Fe/not INFJ" tbh lol
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I find a lot in common with your experiences.
Honestly, I think it doesn't matter what type you are - perhaps you are the 17th type (but more likely the 7 billionth). Just make sure you are making yourself happy cos it seems the more you (not you personally...) dig into this typology crap the more likely you are to be a bit lost in life.
I'm an INFJ, but I can definitely enjoy intellectual pursuits. However, it is always related to my Fe interests and spirituality. I could be playing music 24/7, but when I can, I like to keep my life balanced. So I have a logical side, but my Fe is definitely always in the picture. ATM, I'm a college student. However, I'm also pursuing my music related interests and goals. I guess I could eventually choose 1 over the other, but we'll see...
I'm working towards a university degree, and wanting to become a librarian .But I actually thought I was an Intp for a while there, even though I originally and accurately tested Infj the first time I did the Mbti. Yes I really thought I was very Ti dominant but I realised that my Fe is there, I just tend to rely on my Ti more.I work with an Entp guy, and I can certainly match him with logic heavy idea's.But I think why I thought I was an Intp was because the Ti and Fe are equally balanced in Infjs, and so I thought I was a thinker rather than a feeler.I actually love the arts but equally love theoretical physics so that does cause inner conflict to a degree.
I am an INFJ and I chose a more structured path. I am in the military and I can definitely say that this experience has uped my Ti. My Fe doesn't affect my work (or it should not). My Fe is more for my family and other people struggling with dealing with life situations. Do you have any tips/little things to do for enhancing ones Ti?
Hey, Lexii! I really admire you serving in the military. It's a tough job that I look up to a lot but never saw myself fitting well into. My only advice would be that it's healthier to let your functions follow and your interests and priorities lead. Developing a function can only be done naturally if it is rising to the occasion, not by trying to prematurely sharpen it. By putting yourself in situations that require more from your Ti, the rest should follow in time! Good luck!
INFx TV Thank you for the advice. I just thought I'd try and "get ahead". What are some situations that would require that? I know of certain customer service situations that require me to use Ti (i.e.: making a decision on the spot with the information that I know). Also, thank you for the admiration. It's not as bad as I thought it would be; I love the structure of it and how most things have a specific plans for how to do a job. I cannot stand doing things "on the fly".
Wow, Lexii, you've really stumped me! I've been thinking about it for a whiel, and I have no idea how to specifically challenge Ti. Hmmm. Although, one thing I think can really help INFJs in general is to assume that their intuition and insights are not knowledge like they feel. Instead, assume it's short-sighted and go seek to fill in the missing information with questions getting at "real" information that hasn't been intuited at all. It's a generally good exercise, because INFJs can have a tendency to assume that they know more than they probably do, and it may build of reasoning (Ti) skills in the process. I hope this helps!
Oh my, it has helped. I didn't think about that as a tool for building up that Ni/Ti. That's a good one. I'll be sure to do more "digging" and asking questions, not just to find out if my answer was correct (because lol, I sense it is correct) but more so to validate my answer.
I'm actually just starting to piece together that I might be more of an INFJ but I used to type myself as an INTJ mainly because I'm very interested in the sciences and my Fi is pretty lacking. My Ti/Te and Ni/Ne seem to be pretty well developed (at this point in my life at least) but Fi has always been a bit on the underdeveloped side for me. I think at times it's difficult for me to relate to myself emotionally, conflict is a huge no, I will literally go out of my way to take other people's feelings into account even if I have to throw my own thoughts/feelings/values out the window; initially I though that this was just an aversion to feelings in general but now I see it as an expression of Fe.
Initially I had a lot of misconceptions about INFJ vs. INTJ that were mainly based off of stereotypes, but as I looked more into the functions I realized that there was more to it than that. I think the weak Fi and my heavy interest in science was what initially lead me to believe that I was an INTJ. And I think it's that weak Fi that can cause confusion between the two types if you aren't aware that there is a difference between Fi/Fe - I think that was what caused the most confusion for me initially when I was trying to figure out my type, I just saw the F in INFJ as one big "F" versus the expression of Fe over Fi.
I definitely know exactly what you're talking about with the development of the Ti. When I was younger I was a very creative child but I really struggled in school for a long time. At a certain point in my high school career all of a sudden something just kind of clicked academically for me and I actually became very good at school and very academically driven. It wasn't actually until much later in my high school career that I became more invested in sciences. And I think for me my interest in science comes less from an appreciation for the mechanisms, structures, and the objective nature of science, but more from a kind of a sense of wonder, and almost a sense of mysticism, about the world that causes me to want to explore and learn more about it. Currently I'm studying pre-med and I intend to go on to Naturopathic medicine.
Sorry for posting such a long comment! I've just been trying to figure out my type for a long time because none of them really seemed to *fit* me like I thought they should, so I guess I'm still just trying to solidify it all in my head. I wish I would have discovered this video sooner, it definitely would have helped!
I wonder if being a male or a female INFJ has some effects on our initial development and sophistication of Fe vs Ti. I think concern for other people's feelings if something that society tends to overly encourage in women/girls and discourage in men/boys. I can see how a male INFJ would be more comfortable cultivating the Ti first, since its lines up with socially ascribed gender scripts.
great thoughts, thanks! In my personal experience this seems to be true. Besides myself, I know two INFJ males and four INFJ females. The males and one female are both Ti heavy, and the three other females are more Fe heavy. I'm not sure what type you are (please share!), but I can assure you that the initial growth spurt of my Ti during engineering school was one of the least comfortable experiences. It can be quite painful for INFJs with interest in more Ti oriented subjects, since it's tertiary position makes it less "natural" and cooperative; prone to large swings and snaps, and leaving Fe inappropriately calibrated and prone to looping. ;) -David
I'm an INFJ (female), who is also an academic. I study human communication though, so it does lend itself to Fe a decent amount. However, as I've advance through my degrees and required more of an analytical mind for academic writing, I agree with you in the sense that, developing Ti can be very difficult, making me feel a bit stupid regarding how its much slower a process and much steeper a learning curve. The pay off and sense of personal satisfaction that comes with it has always been totally satisfying and worth it though :- )
I think I spent a lot of time in college "feeling stupid" because my Ti was challenged. My understanding of concepts was always thorough from a conceptual understanding at the end of the Ti head-banging, but it took me longer to get there than my peers. There were a few years at the beginning of college where I really struggled with my self esteem because I couldn't understand why I didn't understand things the same way as other people. Don't worry, I guarantee you're not stupid! You're just approaching things with an uncommon methodology (especially in that environment!), and that's perfectly alright =P
Another great video!
As an infj, I think my Ti and Fe functions are quite well balanced...but I don't really know for sure because I don't know any other infj's. If one had to be stronger, I'd say it was my Ti. Not trying to be sexist here, but I wonder if male infj's tend to have stronger Ti's due to social/gender norms. From my research (which is far from extensive) females are 3x more likely to be infj's so, if social/gender norms color the type, it may be further weighted away from a stronger Ti. I'm not an advocate of gender stereotypes at all - i just think we all grow up in that environment and, even if only by way of a self-fulfilling prophecy, can have an impact on us all.
But as I mentioned I'm certainly not super Ti guy. I grew up very artistic and had a career as a game designer but at the same time I love logic, logic problems and ended up learning multiple programming languages.
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I am an INTJ and I completely agree with the somewhat apathetic expressions of a lot of INTJ. Every INTJ video I have seen I have not finished because of how boring they were. However, this doesn't apply to every INTJ because other aspects of a person's personality come into play such as creativity level and need for emotional stimulation.
I'm not sure the INFJ is trying justify their feelings. Perhaps the justification, was how they concluded their feelings, just as INTJs justify how they conclude their thoughts. The main point I'm getting at, is they both use Ni as a dominant function, but reach the same conclusions through different means-- INFJs feel the right answer, and INTJs think it. It doesn't mean an INFJ will construct their argument to create an opinion any more biased than INTJ, as they both use their Se to reach their conclusion.
You seem so nice btw.
+Apple Piesaregood "INFJs feel the right answer, and INTJs think it" couldn't be truer, thanks for pointing this out. I had an INTJ friend who is an excellent software developer express to me his difficulty with analog circuitry. I told him that I find it natural for me (unlike higher-level software) because I can feel myself into it (e.g. I'm a transistor. What do I feel? What do I want? etc.) He was completely baffled by this approach and said he couldn't imagine how that could be done. He wasn't being skeptical of me, because we've both seen what the other can do and have massive respect for each other, but he was remarking on how different our design paradigms were given that our Ni-Se process seems more-or-less identical.
I also appreciate your point about INFJs not necessarily being more biased than INTJs. Perhaps you're right, but to me it looks like INTJs are more careful and have more logical deductions, so I 'feel' they must be less biased. Not sure this checks out when I think critically about it, though, as I don't get to see their Fi, yet I can clearly see how it sometimes plays a large role in the details (Se, as you've pointed out) they feed their more structured judgements. In fact, Te often makes large oversights in its tendency to ignore subtlety and exceptions. Very analogous to the oversights of Fe in the feeling realm.
and thank you, btw.
P.S. is your name really 'Apple?' Either way, it's now at the top of my 'favorite names of all time' list.
Apple Piesaregood , Exactly. As an INFJ, I can say emotional intelligence requires being honest about your feelings, and understanding the why and how of them, not just simply justifying emotional responses to problems.
Your Fe develops and strengthens over time, no worries
No idea which path i took.
I like Theology/Philosophy/Computers/History. As for arts i love it but i myself have no artistic talent.
I have a stronger Ti than Fe but recently i have had a depression(explains my name) where i had lots of feelings,pain and emotions. Now i became more fluid and emotionally open(still not as fluid as most other INFJ's) enneagram 4 description fits me.
I'm an INFJ who often thinks of possibly being an INTP rather than an INTJ. INTP's had greater influence on me in my life.
Weirdo Disorder Hey, fellow weirdo O_o Sorry to hear about your depression. I just went through a terrible bout of it a few months ago, and it really sucked. I feel you. =/ I'm glad your emotions are more fluid now, though!
Even if you think you have no starting talent, arts can all be learned, and if you do even small acts of expression through art, I can almost guarantee that it'll feel amazing. Just give it a shot!
It seems that XNTPs have a tendency to have tremendous impacts on INFJs. I'm putting together a video about this exact thing. Do you have any observations about your INTP interactions that you want to share? I'd love to hear your take!
relating to enneagram, your friend may be a 5 (logician). I have a strong 5 wing and I think it makes me more aware of and torn between concrete facts and morals making me much more of a realist about most situations. though in terms of reasoning important worldly issues and such, much more concerned with figuring out the logical way of figuring it out. I think infjs with a 5 are in some ways much more like intjs than other types. from experience they're much more of realists than other infj counterparts. like my mom is an infj with a 2 and her and I in personality are completelyy different. she's still very smart, but choses to be an uber optimist about almost very situation in her day to day life. I also think these types are the ones who tend to like physical sciences a lot more than other infjs do.
+morgan brown I'm a 5w4. I agree with everything you just said. My mom is an INFJ 1w9, and we're both very different like you say you and your mom are.
As INFJ I am also 5w4, I feel logical and realistic and deatached from my own emotions, my tritype is 549 5w4, 4w5, 9w1
Yeah thank you, er... Mr. I score strongly on F because I value feeling often but yet I come off so intellectual and always make the most of my Ni and Ti. I take philosophy and like some science. I almost thought I was an INTJ who was just sensitive but Te and sensitivity are very contradictory in each of their natures. Thanks I just I am a low fe infj.
Hmm I typed as an INFJ online and its description gave me goosebumps because online descriptions for INFJs are very positive and paints the individual a little too positively. So it was difficult to question that and if you were like me who has had difficulty with people, the INFJ traits sound quite appealing. But i have always loved science and the geeky stuff. Hell I taught myself how to play chess at 13 and became an obsession. I have an affinity for playing strategy games like red alert. So within the last 2 years I read up on persuaded people and dating because in this stupid country people prefer twerking to discussing philosophy and whence I read I surprisingly became good at it. I still don't date because even if the girl comes my way I still don't like them because 'god a ying Yang tattoo?' So corny. In any case I can get a person to reveal their darkest secrets exclusively to me. Especially through texts and online. So because of my strategic side I think I am INTJ and because of NY counselling prowess I think I am INFJ.
I can relate as a male academic ISFJ= SI FE TI NE. I have a lot of academic interests and chose to major in math and physics. By vigorously pursuing my academic passions, I have built up a very strong TI function. And I fear that by not establishing sufficiently intimate interpersonal relationships, I fear that I have in a sense 'abandoned' my fe function. However it will often rear it's head in certain situations (i.e. mediating conflicts, helping people through emotional turmoil.) It also can act as a filter, causing me to 'sugar coat' and be cautious with my wording. I feel I need to work on developing fe through intimacy, and I wonder if anyone else who feels this way can relate on either the academic pursuits smothering the fe, or the lack of intimacy starving away the fe.
+Andrew T I'm so glad you commented! I've most certainly seen a similar potential in ISFJs. I've worked with many ISFJ engineers (and even ExFJ), and they can be very Ti heavy when they need/want to be. Same for any type's tertiary or inferior function, really; It's not always bad, but just isn't as easy to develop (tertiary) and hard to control (inferior).
yeah this is great thanks
Very good points here!
A+
thanks, INFJ Sean! can I just call you 'Sean?' lol I feel rude just doing it without asking. Fe much?
Sean is fine by me haha!
INFJ here. I chose medicine because I could combine feeling and thinking. It is a natural fit.
+Jeanie Johnson Same here. Good choice!
To be fair, I think MBTI should not be treated as a diagnosis of any sort let alone keep you awake at night thinking which type you truly are. The problem with it is, standard credibility question aside, that it fails to adequately address the development of personality over the lifetime. In addition, the descriptions of all 16 types you can find on line are sterile and allude to intellectual superiority of certain types (pfff...), in turn, failing to acknowledge emotional intelligence in the so called 'Thinking' types... the list goes on. But I have to say, I like your video for not being a typical MBTI know it all rant and actually making a few good points along the way :)
Well i'm currently a computer science major, planning to pick up engineering and physics after i master CS. I generally want to be a scientist for philosophical purposes. when it comes to analyzing people, events and what not .I usually theorize 3 conclusion based on what i observed. uhmm this is very on organized. not even sure if im answering the question or not but i am very tired lol long day. Might be back to edit this also i suck at articulating^^ oh Fe sucks to but its getting better
King Edwards Awesome. I also theorize based on what I observe, but can have my conclusions precede my data search. Bad habit, and have to be careful to check myself lol. Seriously great luck to you with all of that...sounds exciting!
I am an INFJ whose best friend is an INTJ. I must say you seem like a very open minded INTJ. Most INTJs i know focus on one primary objective. being RIGHT all the time, even in being wrong they are still right. in my experience nothing trumps that primary objective. I have gone academic path of Arts, my buddy is a Math teacher so your theory is "right" LOL!! and one thing I find funny is that my INTJ friends never ask a question they don't already know the answer too with the primary point of getting the other person to say that magic words of your right! LOL. I like your idea of how an INFJ will take data and shape it to make a point that's kinda true but I would rather think that an INFJ is just so abstract that their mind just works like that, its not really an Idea of pulling nothing out of thin air so to speak. INFJ & INTJ make good friends but INFJs do get frustrated without that understand of very abstract thoughts.
Actually, I'm an INFJ, not an INTJ! Around 6:21 you can see the Fe start to come out, and I explain how I can't understand how INTJs can seem to neglect their emotions (I was just poking fun, of course). Many of my closest relationships are with INTJs, and like you, I find that I get along with them almost instantly. I like to think that it's because we can "smell" the Ni-dom on each other, which makes communication and interests (or the reasons behind interests) largely congruent. In my experience, INTJs and INFJs are both nearly as abstract as each other, although you've got a point that, in general, INFJs seem to be more "obscure," and that the INTJ's are a bit more "rigid." -David
Visionary purposeful relentlessness
Are u an engineer?
I'm an INTJ studying Fine-Arts and Sociology, which is ironic considering how illogical and/or the gut-feeling type most people in the two disciplines are.
Ni for INFJ is going to be about human dynamics or behavior even when they use Ti bypassing their Fe . For INTJ'S Ni is going to be about building systems like an Engineer it's going to be objective their Ni is about about logical reasons INFJ'S when they use their Ni and Ti it's still going to be focused on values and emotions that's the difference .
whats your enneagram?
You do know that, in general, INFJs will resent being categorized by an INTJ right? lol
Hey geniusSNG, did you mean for this to be posted under another comment? Either way, I think it's safe to say that all types will resent being categorized by any other type. It's a delicate line to tread.
I kept switching
I think you don't understand the functions of infj well enough. INFJs are not driven by fi but ti which means they are more detached and objective. INTJs have fi, which means they value their internal emotions more than object facts. Te is their tool and defense mechanism to navigate in this world.
Why everybody so obsessed with INFJ.??
Lol all I heard was trying to justify yourself for being an infj rather than looking at the factual information and making structured comparisons. you should expect a little flack for that from some of us intjs. you don't have to take a defensive stand , if you are more concerned with relating to people, that is fine. maintaining harmony is just as important as anything else, hell the universe uses harmony in almost every scenario. so don't be shamed for not being strictly logical, your day works for what you want out of life, and that is the only thing that aught to matter.
research enneagram.
+cor totally. enneagram 5w4 nails it for me. My INTJ friends are 5w6. It's pretty astounding how much difference that wing makes, though.
+INFx TV can 5w4 be intj as well as infj?
For sure!
Hey Lily, this is Hillary :) David is definitely a 5w4. Perhaps he doesn't come across as one in the few vids we have but if you had a conversation with him for a bit of time I think it would be more apparent. What enneagram are you getting from him?
INTJ here. my 5w4 / 5w6 are almost balanced. 5w6 has the edge though.
INFJ vs. INTJ? Easy. INTJ's are better.
You seem like you have a very (ironically) emotional attachment to being seen as "logical". It's a generational thing I think to be overly preoccupied with being seen as "logical". Your analysis itself seems to be founded in an emotional attachment to your type and I wouldn't be surprised if you were an INFJ or something completely different. There is in your analysis a flavor of obsession with being seen as smart and logical that isn't really an INTJ thing. Everyone loves being seen as intelligent and logical but INTJs would rather not sacrifice that for the sake of kidding themselves and deceiving others. INTJs are obsessed with truth.
I do not think your analysis of starting with a "feeling" and working toward proving as something characteristic of a "feeler" takes into account the eclectic information gathering practices of INTJs. I myself as an INTJ have a math degree and started to grow fonder of philosophy and humanities and the patterns and logic found in these disciplines as I grow older. I do require proof and constant checking of my theories I develop about society, human nature, and science but at the same time I do have a "feeling" or "intuition" I frequently use as a starting point in a slightly fanatical spirit. It's not really a "feeling" but an intuition that builds up over time from various experiences that accumulate over time.
I think in your analysis of the relationship between subject choice and personality type you're assuming an unnecessarily rigid correlation.
There is a quote from Albert Einstein that says: "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere". INTJs have a talent for breaking things down and seeing how they work at a fundamental level. Logic is only a tool in the toolbox. You can't really gain the kind of insights we do without that imagination/ intuition aspect. We can hold completely crazy theories in our head that allow us to see the possibilities before others do, but we acknowledge there isn't yet a "logical" explanation that verifies them.
yesssss... esp "Logic is only a tool in the toolbox." YES! i am also INTJ with math degree but ended up double-majoring in Philosophy just bc i kept taking course as electives haha. It bothers me when ppl say INTJ aren't attracted to Philosophy bc it's just not true, esp considering a main component in studying Philosophy is LOGIC.