65 bikes eh? I'll have to show this to my wife as she thinks my seven is way too many! 😆 Love your classic machines though - and the build process. One of my favourite things to do is work on the bikes out in the shed. It is "me time"
That's the beauty of RUclips: You can always find someone who is even crazier and can serve as ideal confirmation that you yourself are actually still quite normal. 🙂
This is my first visit and I really enjoyed it. I'm a Campagnolo guy and of course I could appreciate the Sante group set. When I was just buying the frames and then adding the components I often had an odd mix of parts. Yup...Suntour, Campy, and Dura-Ace all on the same bike (Klein and Basso etc.). That's not so easy any more, and I do miss my Campy down tube friction levers.
I love the build! It's a nice change from the restomods you see so often. Centeron G-Pulley means that the upper pulley has a little play so that the chain pulls it exactly under the sprocket.
You can wrap your bars any way you like but I prefer the rotation of the tape at the top of the bar go in the opposite direction that you did yours. In my opinion and experience this means that the tape is always kept tight because that’s the direction that my hands twist the tape as I pull on the bars. I sometimes omit the finish tape and superglue the tape in place.
Gorgeous!. I have a polished aluminum Cannondale that cleans up very well. It is currently stripped down while I contemplate how to build back up. It must have taken years to find the Sante group, it is beautiful. I'm envious of your garage space and bless your wife for partnering with you in the hobby. I look forward to all of your videos. Keep up the good work.
Santa was always a bucket list group - love it! And, yes, let’s see the shop remodel! So we know what went into it when you host the vintage bike show next year!
I do like that toothed headset keyed washer and cone. Reminds me of the old Stronglight headsets. The Sante group was indeed good looking, but I never expected it to wear well. I used the 600 "tri-color" cranks and brakes on a bike, and they worked wonderfully! The 600 brakes are painted gray, but the scratches and wear aren't too noticeable. The Sante did succeed in being bike jewelry, and those hidden chainring bolts and patterned rings are worthy of a show bike! Re: the brake cable "guides" for the handlebar.. my 600 brakes had them too. They allow you to slide the old housing out and new housing in w/o having to unwrap the tape, which is nice.
Very good video John. Great choice of Sante for your Cannondale. One of my favorite builds for a customer was a Richard Sachs with Sante. And the picture of the Schwinn Circuit brought back good memories!
John, thanks for sharing this video with us! The white saddle would complement the looks perfectly, as the white tape really adds to the character of the frame and Sante groupset. I find videos of you working on the bikes while narrating extremely satisfying and relaxing - and also informative! Greetings from Japan! P.S. that downpour with hurricane was mental.
Hello. Great choice to use that nice blue Cannondale with the white Shimano Santé group. The details of that group are nice, hiding holes with little covers. BTW, i watched the video to the end. Looking forward to see your garage upgrade with new wall-cover. Greetings from Switzerland. - Valentin
Hello major, The video of the wall covering was posted weeks ago. You could check it out on the channel. Several videos since this one. Thanks so much for watching
I have a partial Santé group. Front and rear derailleur were rotted. I still have the BB, crankset, downtube shifters and brakes. The brakes still work amazing too.
Hello, The chainring bolts are a carry over from the early '80's Dura-Ace AX gruppo. The Sante gruppo has many style carry overs from this gruppo and its sister Dura-Ace EX from the early '80's. The AX was Shimano's aero gruppo of the day. I also have been using the Sante rear derailleur with Ultegra 8 speed STI and works perfectly as the cable pull ratio is the same. As mentioned below, the components are powder coated. Thanks! this is a fun Vid. I'll check back.
I had pretty much that bike when I was in the Marines in the late 80’s in Hawaii. I also had one of the Coors Classics Serotta bikes with Camp C Record that I bought from Island Tri and Bike 🎉
I bought a Cannondale R1000 with a Shimano Sante 7 speed indexed group in 1985. I rode it 10's of thousands of miles until 1995 when I bought my first Tommasini. The Sante group was positioned between Ultegra and Dura Ace. I still have the bike and it is in fantastic condition. The group set is complete except the headset, which I wore out and had to replace. It was and is a wonderful bike.
I was a cannondale dealer back then. We sold a few SR1000s It was difficult to move someone up from the Ultegra group for the extra money. But I liked the Sante
satin/matt finishes are underappreciated. they look great, and then when combined with such a classy color like this frame, they really pop. Great looking bike.
One of the features that kinda always stood out to me is the hole where the pedal threads into the crank didn’t go all the way through the crank arm. Thanks for the video.
All nice. as a European and a a young man at the time, I couldn't get my head around a paint and chrome groupset (not to mention the crazy Cannondale dropouts). Not very Hinault! Hella storm, quite scary... I'm one of the 18% by the way, keep up the good work
Super channel! Shimano 600 Ultegra sometimes called “Tricolor” was the best of that era. Shimano worked the bugs out that existed with DA and Sante with the Tricolor. An excellent group set even today! One of the best ever.
I bought a Cannondale SR1000 in late 1987 with the Sante group. What struck me most was how harsh the bike rode, with a steel fork and just high the gearing was: 52/42 with a 12-21 cassette. And those were the gears I used for years to climb any hill. What sold me was how nice it looked in Teal Blue. I was going to get the SR2000 with DA, but didn't want to deal with the sew-ups. Original saddle was white Cinelli Volare SLX.
Oh yeah. These were a harsh ride for sure. I didnt care back in the 80s. I was a masher and wanted a stiff frame! Yes. Looking for Volare or Turbo for sure!
So glad you put the downtube shifters on the Cannondale, what a stunning groupset and bicycle. Always a joy watching your channel John, thank you from England!
John, I was told by a Shimano rep that Sante uses Dura Ace and 600 internals. I have it on two different Klein candy purple bikes. One is a Performance light touring, and the other a Quantum.
Hey John, Industrial designer here. The metallic pearl finish on the Sante parts is likely powder coating. Significantly more durable than paint, as anyone with a Shimano 600 EX rear derailleur will tell you. That pattern detail on the crank is subtle but nice. Thanks for sharing!
Oh snap! Sante was legit! It was a tweener spec between 600 and Dura Ace. My brother had it on his Bridgestone RB1, it had that covered rear derailleur cage like the original C-Record. The brake calipers are sooo nice, love that hidden clamping bolt....Nice memories!
Sante has such a terrific late-80s look to it. It's the Miami Vice of bike components. It also worked really well and was very durable. You're right though, it's basically 6400 Ultegra with a body kit. I was racing on 7402 8sp Dura Ace back in those days, which was fantastic as well. I had that Cannondale frame briefly in period. I remember it being extremely stiff, especially since I was used to riding steel at that time. With the narrow high pressure tires, oof it was rough back in the day. I like that paint, was this a respray? Definitely put a white Turbo on it, that will look mint.
Love that Blue with the Sante' group. I would like to see the remodel. It would be an 11 hour ride to go to that museum! I love living in the southeast US for its climate, but a bunch of the good bike shows are up north or out west.
Great build. Love that color of the frame and love the looks of that Sante group with it. Right choice on not repainting the frame. Definitely needs a white saddle.
That's a beautiful group! I have only had a partial one pass through my hands, found years ago on a white Cannondale with a very small frame that I pulled out of a dumpster. That one got parted out to fund other projects. I was quite impressed with the quality of the Sante components that were present. I had a very pristine Cannondale, it was a bit too small for me. It had an aluminum fork and it was just like punishment for me to ride. I was impressed with the overall quality of the bike but sure wished it had a carbon fork. I always watch your videos all of the way through,
Hi John….very nice bike! VERY happy you didn’t repaint it as that blue is awesome and the paint is in fantastic condition. I am not much of a a fan of aluminium or Cannondale for that matter…a bit of a steel snob (Colnago, Chesini X-uno, Daccordi Freccia, Giame) but that bike looks spectacular. I like to rebuild odd ball bikes/builders…the less common masters. For example, the Giame brothers were master builders for Gios but built a few bikes of their own each year. I do have to confess though that I do have a Vitus 979 with full Dura-ace (no issues with bonding…yet😮). The contrast between white and blue just makes it pop…but I am biased as my Chesini is the same….metallic blue with white accents (it was painted by Noah Rosen in Toronto). I put a Selle San Marco white leather with copper rivets for an interesting contrast. I also ran white brake cables vs black. I have to say…love your shop and collection (jealous). Looking forward to more builds for your collection. As an aside…much like you and your parts collection looking for homes, I have a set of gold anodized CLB Professional brakes that I bought and raced with briefly in the 80’s (never seen a set since or even an ad for same) that I am looking for a small (52-53) french racing road bike frame to build up for. Trevor from Calgary, Alberta Canada
I really enjoy your vids John. I'm in Perth, Western Australia, so Indiana USA is way too far to go. BTW we have an absolutely peerless rail & interconnected bike path network, there must be a thousand kms of it, & then there is the Munda Bidi trail apx 900 kms through the National Parks from the Perth hills through the south west to Albany. I absolutely love USA Cannondale, in fact I have 2 CAAD 3s, these are my commuters, an R300 on full 7800 Dura Ace with 7900 D/A C24s, & an orange R1000 on full 6400 Ultegra with 9100 D/A C24s. & I'm trying to resist, but may end up with an original 1992 pre-Caad. I also have a stock 2018 Specialized steel AWOL on 40mm Panaracer Gravel King slicks for light bike packing. An gorgeous orange 2004 Piav'e Sestrieres on FSA carbon cranks & 6500 Ultegra group, with Ritchey offset wheelset. Its my quickest bike, & dead on 12lbs. & a mint original condition 1977 Fritz Fleck (Mannheim) Flema Campionissimo on S/R cranks, drilled chainrings & NOS Sugino Aero Mighty pedals. Full NOS Modolo brakes, Simplex gear shifting, Cinelli stem, bars, seat post, & I recently treated it to a new Berthoud Aravais saddle. Its on Mavic GP4s laced to 600 hubs, but I recently found an unused set laced to Gen 2 Dura Ace hubs. I also was able to find a stack of NOS SR chainrings, 7 or 8 NOS Sachs Hyperglide cassettes, a stack of my favourite Wipperman Connex chains, etc, that now secures the bike in rideable conditition for the foreseeable future.
I had a 1987 Nishiki Trip A Equipe Sante' came with a white stem. The Cannondale looks good. Just the beginning and one of the fist of the inevitable over 300 different replaceable dropouts
Love your show John. love the old school bikes and watching you do builds with the old school group sets. Love the movie with Kevin Costner American flyer. Love the specialized allez bikes with the suntour superb group sets. Hint hint .😂
Hi . I can't tell you how much I appreciate and enjoy your videos. I, too, have the disease. "Bikitis" I have a minty Sante group waiting for the right frame. ( and way too many other groups waiting for the correct frames) Suggestion... I have collected pretty much all the tools needed for vintage and classic bikes. I'd like to see yours. Also, the way to display cool parts. I could share a few pics of my stuff if interested.
Yes bikitis.. The imflamation of the bicycle collection! I had a hard time trying to find the right bike for these parts. It came down to color and origin. I didn't want to put them on an Italian frameset!
Nice . I know nothing about this vintage - strictly steel and Campy stuff (Nuovo Record) so this group was really interesting to me. I can understand why the Japanese gave the Italians a run for their money! The color combo of the group with the blue frame is stunning and the bike looks like something a high performance enthusiast/tourist would use (credit card in back pocket). I can't tell what finish (paint, powder, anodize) from the video. I am slowly working my way through your videos, John. Thanks for posting.
It may be of little concern but a better method for centering Sante and 600 Ultegra of the single pivot variety - the better centering method is with an allen wrench on the front bolt. The brake is assembled from the back. The 14mm flats "nut" wrenches to tightens the two arms (or loosen). Won't happen on small adjustments but something to keep an eye on. BTW Dura Ace single bolt brakes 7400 was assembled tradionally. So the above does not apply. Though I think 7200 EX is the same as above description.
Great looking group set John never seen this before.. wow those told tyres were sure crunchy sounding when comin off.. bike looks very nice great build.. look forward to seeing all the bikes from the collection you bought 😊 Pete 👍🚴🏻
That build turned out great John! Love the Sante groupo and the Turbo saddle will be the icing on the cake. I’m a bling guy like you. 👍👊 Oh, and I always watch your videos till the end. 😎
Actually, I feel the black seat and dark fork balance and complement one another. As does the white h-bar wrap and Sante components! I have a Sante group on a Nishiki Tri A Elite, Tange 1, steel frameset, and it's absolutely one of the best riding and climbing steel bikes I've ever ridden. Your built-up is eye-catching!
Dura Ace 1, Sante 2, Ultegra 3... then the others later, down the list. Sante was positioned between D.A and Ultegra, and it was a fine, but short lived group. Had a couple groups on 2 very nice bikes... I think Shimano called it a lifestyle group or something like that The only issue was the finish chipping, but otherwise, it all worked just great. Ultegra is still, from a reliability / price standpoint, my favorite group... It and Sante just work and work. Tony, Carbondale. CO, US Of A (C.R. Member)
Nice. I enjoy your videos. I'm a "bike nerd," as my daughters call me. I have a full Sante group, and I think it will go on a late 80s emerald green Basso frame.
The centeron pulleys had a slightly longer bushing that allowed the pulley to float sideways (about 1mm). This helped the guide pulley to self align with the cogs so shifting was a lot smoother. I believe they dropped centeroms from 10 or 11 speed drivetrains since the movement of the pulley intefered with shifting (cog spacing became way too narrow for the pulley's play)
Yeah man, I think this is SERIOUS bike nerd content, maybe that's why people don't watch til the end, unfortunately. I for one enjoy all of it, but I'm a serious bike nerd. Also, Shop organization video would be great! Fantastic build as always.
Re: Cinelli bars: I know 64’s were shallow drop and 66’s were deep drop….I’m trying to remember; were 68’s the “criterium bend” with a slight droop to the flat section? I remember that these were preferred by many sprinters (including Sean Kelly) for the increased wrist clearance they provide when honking in the drops.
I'm a big fan of the Sante group, and it looks really good on that matte blue Cannondale! You know, though, you could have gotten Sante AND added to your Schwinn collection at the same time with a 1988 or 1989 Circuit! Columbus steel with Tange aero fork and seat stays, and Cinelli stem and bars.
White seat would look fine or multi color with white. The sante group set was for the those who wanted to look fancy over the regular ultegra is my opinion. I have the tricolor ultegra groupset on a gericiotti aluminium bike i built in the late eighties when i lived in Indianapolis. It was a great bike then ran so smooth. An interesting story if you know, it is the story of shimano and how they took over making groupsets as everything was bundled together as price pionts. The sante whould have been one of those tests in the market that never continued and should be possibly more desirable. It would make a good video material doing the history that goes with some of the bikes. I did work for zipp in the very early days and it was a great time in the bike industry with carbon just ariving in the bike market.
Honestly. I ride my dailys most often and that is a Moots Routt 45.. Then I always have three vintage bikes que'd up to ride and I rotate them through out the season.
In those years, I can’t afford a Sante RD, hence I’d opted for an 105. Still a cool derailleur, in metallic gray coat instead of pearl white coat on Sante.
Don't you paint that frame! lol almost dropped my coffee when you talked about changing it to white. About your workshop, i'd like to see some period posters framed and hang on the walls the larger the better. Great video:)
The only bad thing about Sante is the fact that your heels will eventually scuff up the whitish crank arms. You mentioned aero spokes. Were they blades, or oval? I used to love Shimano and Sachs 7 speed freewheels, because they would index perfectly with Campagnolo 8 speed shifters. (you just had to block off the last shift, at the rear derailleur, to keep the chain out of your spokes. PS. I believe that there is a little Allen nut under that rubber plug on the calipers. PSS. Were the bars and stem the old 26.4mm, or the newer 26.0?
Sante - the "secretary's groupset" from Shimano. Buyers drove pink VW beetles to their secretary jobs and hung their Sante-equipped bikes on a bumper rack on the back when it was time to drive down to the beachfront bike path. How many of their bikes had sheepskin seat covers so they could ride in comfort in their bikini's? BTW that shfter boss setup on the downtube was crying for some threadlocker my friend!
LOL yes.. The secretary's group! What you don't see in the video was the shifter boss needs to be replaced! it broke and its doctored. I'm looking for a new one now!
Consider using self-adhering silicone electrical tape. There is no adhesive and it never dries out. The texture has the grip of Lizard Skin. I learned of this from a forum.
Agreed. I have rolls of every color electrical tape I will never use since I now have every color of silicone tape. If on a long ride in the hot sun, the electrical tape adhesive will melt and get your fingers all gooey if not unravel.
Do you know if campy (Record) made any downshifters like that (for 7 speed) with clickindex ? Or any adapter /converter (I love my Nuovo Record lever design).
Are you talking about putting index shifting on a vintage NR derailleur? If so.. I don't know of a way to do that. I experimented alot back in the 80s and couldn't make it work. Honestly. Campy's first version of index shifting didnt work well either! LOL
I don’t think there was a 68 Cinelli Bar. It’s probably a poorly stamped 66. The 66 was a deep drop bar, the 64 was shallow drop and the 65 was a Critériun bar. There also was 67 track bar.
hey john i hate to ask you this so late in the day but i have a chance to purchase a bob jackson touring reynolds 853 in looks to be great condition do you know of these and whats your thoughts on them if you do ?
thanks im not real familiar with them and iv only seen a very few and never had the chance to ride 1 so with the cost of it i was wanting to get your opinion of there quality @@JohnsVintageRoadBikeGarage
Yeah, to me at least. Having to pedal such huge cranks with so little gears at the back just seems counter intuitive to me. Athletes from way in the days were something else... My rig has a 46-30 GRX paired with a 9 speed 11-something cassette and it seems all the gears i will ever need are in there. Makes me wonder how they did the mountain and hill climbs with those, probably hard to pedal, gearing. Also, why were the derailleurs so much better looking at that time compared to now? Those two tones metal and white colours are just gorgeous! I have only seen the GRX Limited with somewhat of a color scheme to it, and it still is not as good as the Sante.
That stuff is painted or powder coated. Anodizing is a chemical conversion process of the surface; fundamentally the same thing as gun bluing. Unlike gun bluing which is naturally black (because it's black iron oxide), anodizing (aluminum oxide when done to aluminum) has no inherent color, but colored dyes can be added during the process. Like gun bluing, there's no apparent thickness to colored anodizing like there is with paint and powder coating. Instead, it looks like the metal itself is colored rather than coated with something that's colored (until it starts wearing off, that is), and the color has sort of a translucent look to it (because the dyes they use are translucent). Colored anodizing was especially popular with high-end BMX components in the 1980s, with gold, blue, red, and black being the most common colors. Having lots of colored anodized parts on your BMX in the 1980s kind of advertised to everyone that your bike was "all alloyed out," and therefore expensive, light, and fast. Also, there's no such thing as white anodizing (at least not with the traditional anodizing process) and there are at least three different theories on why it's not possible. So if you see aluminum that's a solid white color, it's almost certainly painted or powder coated.
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65 bikes eh? I'll have to show this to my wife as she thinks my seven is way too many! 😆 Love your classic machines though - and the build process. One of my favourite things to do is work on the bikes out in the shed. It is "me time"
That's the beauty of RUclips: You can always find someone who is even crazier and can serve as ideal confirmation that you yourself are actually still quite normal. 🙂
This is my first visit and I really enjoyed it. I'm a Campagnolo guy and of course I could appreciate the Sante group set. When I was just buying the frames and then adding the components I often had an odd mix of parts. Yup...Suntour, Campy, and Dura-Ace all on the same bike (Klein and Basso etc.). That's not so easy any more, and I do miss my Campy down tube friction levers.
I love the build! It's a nice change from the restomods you see so often. Centeron G-Pulley means that the upper pulley has a little play so that the chain pulls it exactly under the sprocket.
You can wrap your bars any way you like but I prefer the rotation of the tape at the top of the bar go in the opposite direction that you did yours. In my opinion and experience this means that the tape is always kept tight because that’s the direction that my hands twist the tape as I pull on the bars. I sometimes omit the finish tape and superglue the tape in place.
great suggestion!
Gorgeous!. I have a polished aluminum Cannondale that cleans up very well. It is currently stripped down while I contemplate how to build back up. It must have taken years to find the Sante group, it is beautiful. I'm envious of your garage space and bless your wife for partnering with you in the hobby. I look forward to all of your videos. Keep up the good work.
Keep doing what you're doing. The videos are awesome!
Santa was always a bucket list group - love it! And, yes, let’s see the shop remodel! So we know what went into it when you host the vintage bike show next year!
I do like that toothed headset keyed washer and cone. Reminds me of the old Stronglight headsets. The Sante group was indeed good looking, but I never expected it to wear well. I used the 600 "tri-color" cranks and brakes on a bike, and they worked wonderfully! The 600 brakes are painted gray, but the scratches and wear aren't too noticeable. The Sante did succeed in being bike jewelry, and those hidden chainring bolts and patterned rings are worthy of a show bike! Re: the brake cable "guides" for the handlebar.. my 600 brakes had them too. They allow you to slide the old housing out and new housing in w/o having to unwrap the tape, which is nice.
Definitely a white roll's or turbo saddle will complement the build!
Subscriber from New Zealand here,loving the videos.Always good to pick up some tips from your builds
this bike came out a beauty. i think it is definitely worthy of finding another hood without the lever damage. I watched the entire video.
Very good video John. Great choice of Sante for your Cannondale. One of my favorite builds for a customer was a Richard Sachs with Sante. And the picture of the Schwinn Circuit brought back good memories!
John, thanks for sharing this video with us! The white saddle would complement the looks perfectly, as the white tape really adds to the character of the frame and Sante groupset. I find videos of you working on the bikes while narrating extremely satisfying and relaxing - and also informative!
Greetings from Japan!
P.S. that downpour with hurricane was mental.
Hey, Glad you enjoy the vids! Thanks so much for watching.
Super nice! White Turbo for sure
Hello. Great choice to use that nice blue Cannondale with the white Shimano Santé group. The details of that group are nice, hiding holes with little covers. BTW, i watched the video to the end. Looking forward to see your garage upgrade with new wall-cover. Greetings from Switzerland. - Valentin
Hello major, The video of the wall covering was posted weeks ago. You could check it out on the channel. Several videos since this one. Thanks so much for watching
I have a partial Santé group. Front and rear derailleur were rotted. I still have the BB, crankset, downtube shifters and brakes. The brakes still work amazing too.
They are out there if you spend a little while searching!
Hello, The chainring bolts are a carry over from the early '80's Dura-Ace AX gruppo. The Sante gruppo has many style carry overs from this gruppo and its sister Dura-Ace EX from the early '80's. The AX was Shimano's aero gruppo of the day. I also have been using the Sante rear derailleur with Ultegra 8 speed STI and works perfectly as the cable pull ratio is the same. As mentioned below, the components are powder coated. Thanks! this is a fun Vid. I'll check back.
I had pretty much that bike when I was in the Marines in the late 80’s in Hawaii. I also had one of the Coors Classics Serotta bikes with Camp C Record that I bought from Island Tri and Bike 🎉
I bought a Cannondale R1000 with a Shimano Sante 7 speed indexed group in 1985. I rode it 10's of thousands of miles until 1995 when I bought my first Tommasini. The Sante group was positioned between Ultegra and Dura Ace. I still have the bike and it is in fantastic condition. The group set is complete except the headset, which I wore out and had to replace. It was and is a wonderful bike.
I was a cannondale dealer back then. We sold a few SR1000s It was difficult to move someone up from the Ultegra group for the extra money. But I liked the Sante
don't cut the end of the fork, if you ever want it build up with another group the fork will be to short. use spacers.
Agreed. Sante and 105 both were"low profile". If you want to go to Campy standard stack there'd be trouble.
satin/matt finishes are underappreciated. they look great, and then when combined with such a classy color like this frame, they really pop. Great looking bike.
yes for sure. it was hard to find a frame that would make these parts POP!
One of the features that kinda always stood out to me is the hole where the pedal threads into the crank didn’t go all the way through the crank arm. Thanks for the video.
Love the sante groupo. I have a few parts on one of my commuter bikes. Good to see it in this video.
You dont see much of it do you?
All nice. as a European and a a young man at the time, I couldn't get my head around a paint and chrome groupset (not to mention the crazy Cannondale dropouts). Not very Hinault!
Hella storm, quite scary... I'm one of the 18% by the way, keep up the good work
Super channel! Shimano 600 Ultegra sometimes called “Tricolor” was the best of that era. Shimano worked the bugs out that existed with DA and Sante with the Tricolor. An excellent group set even today! One of the best ever.
Very classy build!
Sweet bike, really enjoyed watching the build & yes, I watched the whole vid!
I bought a Cannondale SR1000 in late 1987 with the Sante group.
What struck me most was how harsh the bike rode, with a steel fork and just high the gearing was: 52/42 with a 12-21 cassette. And those were the gears I used for years to climb any hill. What sold me was how nice it looked in Teal Blue.
I was going to get the SR2000 with DA, but didn't want to deal with the sew-ups.
Original saddle was white Cinelli Volare SLX.
Oh yeah. These were a harsh ride for sure. I didnt care back in the 80s. I was a masher and wanted a stiff frame! Yes. Looking for Volare or Turbo for sure!
I love this group set with its color, finish and all the little details they made to make it look sleek and chic! 🙂
That was the Idea of this group I believe. It was totally for fashion, though it performed well! Thanks for watching
So glad you put the downtube shifters on the Cannondale, what a stunning groupset and bicycle. Always a joy watching your channel John, thank you from England!
I have the whole Santé-group on my Colnago International... and I love it.
Best regards from the Northern black forest 🌲🌿🌳
John,
I was told by a Shimano rep that Sante uses Dura Ace and 600 internals. I have it on two different Klein candy purple bikes. One is a Performance light touring, and the other a Quantum.
Very interesting.
Hey John, Industrial designer here. The metallic pearl finish on the Sante parts is likely powder coating. Significantly more durable than paint, as anyone with a Shimano 600 EX rear derailleur will tell you. That pattern detail on the crank is subtle but nice. Thanks for sharing!
Im sure its more durable. However Its hard to find these parts in good cosmetic shape. Thanks or watching!
Oh snap! Sante was legit! It was a tweener spec between 600 and Dura Ace. My brother had it on his Bridgestone RB1, it had that covered rear derailleur cage like the original C-Record. The brake calipers are sooo nice, love that hidden clamping bolt....Nice memories!
I agree. it was a nice group. slightly fancy but functioned beautifully! Thanks for watching
Very cool. Agree with the saddle choice. Something white to match the bar tape. Learned something new with the Santa Group. Thanks!
Thanks.. More to come.
Sante has such a terrific late-80s look to it. It's the Miami Vice of bike components. It also worked really well and was very durable. You're right though, it's basically 6400 Ultegra with a body kit. I was racing on 7402 8sp Dura Ace back in those days, which was fantastic as well. I had that Cannondale frame briefly in period. I remember it being extremely stiff, especially since I was used to riding steel at that time. With the narrow high pressure tires, oof it was rough back in the day. I like that paint, was this a respray? Definitely put a white Turbo on it, that will look mint.
The Miami Vice of bike components ist the perfect description! 🙂
Love that Blue with the Sante' group. I would like to see the remodel. It would be an 11 hour ride to go to that museum! I love living in the southeast US for its climate, but a bunch of the good bike shows are up north or out west.
Absolutely do a shop remodel video!
Its coming. I might do it in two videos. It will be in addition to my regular bike videos.
Awesome build . Love the channel and just shared it with 7,000 of my Facebook group friends ! American Built Frames Only group
Hey, thanks so much. I appreciate you doing that! Thanks for watching
That's a nice build. Looks like it needs a white saddle and white wall tires to make it look uniform. Maybe even white cables as well.
I agree!
Hey John great video , nice looking Cannondale.
Guess I’m one of the 18% .
Looking forward to your next video. All the best!
LOL. thanks for sticking it out!
Great build. Love that color of the frame and love the looks of that Sante group with it. Right choice on not repainting the frame. Definitely needs a white saddle.
Another awesome restoration.
That's a beautiful group! I have only had a partial one pass through my hands, found years ago on a white Cannondale with a very small frame that I pulled out of a dumpster. That one got parted out to fund other projects. I was quite impressed with the quality of the Sante components that were present. I had a very pristine Cannondale, it was a bit too small for me. It had an aluminum fork and it was just like punishment for me to ride. I was impressed with the overall quality of the bike but sure wished it had a carbon fork.
I always watch your videos all of the way through,
Hi John….very nice bike! VERY happy you didn’t repaint it as that blue is awesome and the paint is in fantastic condition. I am not much of a a fan of aluminium or Cannondale for that matter…a bit of a steel snob (Colnago, Chesini X-uno, Daccordi Freccia, Giame) but that bike looks spectacular. I like to rebuild odd ball bikes/builders…the less common masters. For example, the Giame brothers were master builders for Gios but built a few bikes of their own each year. I do have to confess though that I do have a Vitus 979 with full Dura-ace (no issues with bonding…yet😮). The contrast between white and blue just makes it pop…but I am biased as my Chesini is the same….metallic blue with white accents (it was painted by Noah Rosen in Toronto). I put a Selle San Marco white leather with copper rivets for an interesting contrast. I also ran white brake cables vs black. I have to say…love your shop and collection (jealous). Looking forward to more builds for your collection. As an aside…much like you and your parts collection looking for homes, I have a set of gold anodized CLB Professional brakes that I bought and raced with briefly in the 80’s (never seen a set since or even an ad for same) that I am looking for a small (52-53) french racing road bike frame to build up for. Trevor from Calgary, Alberta Canada
I really enjoy your vids John.
I'm in Perth, Western Australia, so Indiana USA is way too far to go.
BTW we have an absolutely peerless rail & interconnected bike path network, there must be a thousand kms of it, & then there is the Munda Bidi trail apx 900 kms through the National Parks from the Perth hills through the south west to Albany.
I absolutely love USA Cannondale, in fact I have 2 CAAD 3s, these are my commuters, an R300 on full 7800 Dura Ace with 7900 D/A C24s, & an orange R1000 on full 6400 Ultegra with 9100 D/A C24s. & I'm trying to resist, but may end up with an original 1992 pre-Caad.
I also have a stock 2018 Specialized steel AWOL on 40mm Panaracer Gravel King slicks for light bike packing.
An gorgeous orange 2004 Piav'e Sestrieres on FSA carbon cranks & 6500 Ultegra group, with Ritchey offset wheelset.
Its my quickest bike, & dead on 12lbs.
& a mint original condition 1977 Fritz Fleck (Mannheim) Flema Campionissimo on S/R cranks, drilled chainrings & NOS Sugino Aero Mighty pedals. Full NOS Modolo brakes, Simplex gear shifting, Cinelli stem, bars, seat post, & I recently treated it to a new Berthoud Aravais saddle. Its on Mavic GP4s laced to 600 hubs, but I recently found an unused set laced to Gen 2 Dura Ace hubs. I also was able to find a stack of NOS SR chainrings, 7 or 8 NOS Sachs Hyperglide cassettes, a stack of my favourite Wipperman Connex chains, etc, that now secures the bike in rideable conditition for the foreseeable future.
I had a 1987 Nishiki Trip A Equipe Sante' came with a white stem. The Cannondale looks good. Just the beginning and one of the fist of the inevitable over 300 different replaceable dropouts
Really enjoy your videos. Thanks
Post details about the ride at the Auburn Cord Dusenberg show - could be fun to ride!
Love your show John. love the old school bikes and watching you do builds with the old school group sets. Love the movie with Kevin Costner American flyer. Love the specialized allez bikes with the suntour superb group sets. Hint hint .😂
Hi . I can't tell you how much I appreciate and enjoy your videos.
I, too, have the disease. "Bikitis"
I have a minty Sante group waiting for the right frame. ( and way too many other groups waiting for the correct frames)
Suggestion... I have collected pretty much all the tools needed for vintage and classic bikes. I'd like to see yours. Also, the way to display cool parts. I could share a few pics of my stuff if interested.
Yes bikitis.. The imflamation of the bicycle collection! I had a hard time trying to find the right bike for these parts. It came down to color and origin. I didn't want to put them on an Italian frameset!
Nice . I know nothing about this vintage - strictly steel and Campy stuff (Nuovo Record) so this group was really interesting to me. I can understand why the Japanese gave the Italians a run for their money! The color combo of the group with the blue frame is stunning and the bike looks like something a high performance enthusiast/tourist would use (credit card in back pocket). I can't tell what finish (paint, powder, anodize) from the video. I am slowly working my way through your videos, John. Thanks for posting.
It may be of little concern but a better method for centering Sante and 600 Ultegra of the single pivot variety - the better centering method is with an allen wrench on the front bolt. The brake is assembled from the back. The 14mm flats "nut" wrenches to tightens the two arms (or loosen). Won't happen on small adjustments but something to keep an eye on.
BTW Dura Ace single bolt brakes 7400 was assembled tradionally. So the above does not apply.
Though I think 7200 EX is the same as above description.
Great looking group set John never seen this before.. wow those told tyres were sure crunchy sounding when comin off.. bike looks very nice great build.. look forward to seeing all the bikes from the collection you bought 😊 Pete 👍🚴🏻
That build turned out great John! Love the Sante groupo and the Turbo saddle will be the icing on the cake. I’m a bling guy like you. 👍👊 Oh, and I always watch your videos till the end. 😎
Thanks BRM! Going to have to find one of those saddles.!!
No John your not a dork ,just good attention to detail with the tape ,great entertaining vid ,thanks .
Actually, I feel the black seat and dark fork balance and complement one another. As does the white h-bar wrap and Sante components! I have a Sante group on a Nishiki Tri A Elite, Tange 1, steel frameset, and it's absolutely one of the best riding and climbing steel bikes I've ever ridden. Your built-up is eye-catching!
OH I remember building a few Tri-As I sold Nishiki for a few years. Those were great bikes!
Love the channel, love the old bikes but love to ride my new bikes and love to work on the old ones, thanks John from the T-Man
Thanks T-Man.
I love your videos, you are not boring.
Thank you. New to your channel and like the instruction and review of the vintage bikes.
Welcome aboard!
Cool looking bike amigo
a white perforated selle san marco rolls perhaps?
Dura Ace 1, Sante 2, Ultegra 3... then the others later, down the list. Sante was positioned between D.A and Ultegra, and it was a fine, but short lived group. Had a couple groups on 2 very nice bikes... I think Shimano called it a lifestyle group or something like that The only issue was the finish chipping, but otherwise, it all worked just great. Ultegra is still, from a reliability / price standpoint, my favorite group... It and Sante just work and work. Tony, Carbondale. CO, US Of A (C.R. Member)
Very nice John! Never heard of that groupset before, interesting. Looks beautiful, but I'm not a fan of black cables 😢. I always watch till the end!
Honestly. I ran out of white and I wanted to get it done! lol. Thanks for watching till the end.
gorgeous!
Nice. I enjoy your videos. I'm a "bike nerd," as my daughters call me. I have a full Sante group, and I think it will go on a late 80s emerald green Basso frame.
Emerald Green Basso?? id love to see that.. My email is on the front page of the channel!
The centeron pulleys had a slightly longer bushing that allowed the pulley to float sideways (about 1mm). This helped the guide pulley to self align with the cogs so shifting was a lot smoother. I believe they dropped centeroms from 10 or 11 speed drivetrains since the movement of the pulley intefered with shifting (cog spacing became way too narrow for the pulley's play)
GREAT thanks!
Yeah man, I think this is SERIOUS bike nerd content, maybe that's why people don't watch til the end, unfortunately. I for one enjoy all of it, but I'm a serious bike nerd. Also, Shop organization video would be great! Fantastic build as always.
Yes totaly bike nerd and bicycle comfort tv for sure! Thanks
Re: Cinelli bars: I know 64’s were shallow drop and 66’s were deep drop….I’m trying to remember; were 68’s the “criterium bend” with a slight droop to the flat section? I remember that these were preferred by many sprinters (including Sean Kelly) for the increased wrist clearance they provide when honking in the drops.
I'm a big fan of the Sante group, and it looks really good on that matte blue Cannondale! You know, though, you could have gotten Sante AND added to your Schwinn collection at the same time with a 1988 or 1989 Circuit! Columbus steel with Tange aero fork and seat stays, and Cinelli stem and bars.
You're right! I actually briefly highlighted one of those in my Monroe bike swap video I just posted last week! Those were good bikes!
I bought that cannondale in the late 80s with Sante and remember they said at the time it was between Ultegra and Dura ace I. Quality.
Was it a really cool off blue, SR1000
White seat would look fine or multi color with white.
The sante group set was for the those who wanted to look fancy over the regular ultegra is my opinion.
I have the tricolor ultegra groupset on a gericiotti aluminium bike i built in the late eighties when i lived in Indianapolis. It was a great bike then ran so smooth.
An interesting story if you know, it is the story of shimano and how they took over making groupsets as everything was bundled together as price pionts. The sante whould have been one of those tests in the market that never continued and should be possibly more desirable.
It would make a good video material doing the history that goes with some of the bikes.
I did work for zipp in the very early days and it was a great time in the bike industry with carbon just ariving in the bike market.
By the way a white selle italia turbo is exactly the saddle I used for my Sante build. 1986 Falcon Sterling in white.
a white san marco rolls would be great. also i may have some sante levers for you that are in better shape
White Turbo! 😊
How do you decide what to ride? I love the hidden key.
Honestly. I ride my dailys most often and that is a Moots Routt 45.. Then I always have three vintage bikes que'd up to ride and I rotate them through out the season.
Centeron g pulley is where the guide pulley slides on the bushing so it can self center on the cog, I reckon.
I think you're right!
In those years, I can’t afford a Sante RD, hence I’d opted for an 105. Still a cool derailleur, in metallic gray coat instead of pearl white coat on Sante.
The 105 was the best value in the planet at the time!
Anyone out there have a Sante rear skewer you’d part with? I’ll keep an eye on the comments section. Thanks
Don't you paint that frame! lol almost dropped my coffee when you talked about changing it to white. About your workshop, i'd like to see some period posters framed and hang on the walls the larger the better. Great video:)
Interesting group set, looks a bit like 105 from the era.
Beauitful groupset! But it's tough to beat a Suntour Superbe finish! Def a white Turbo saddle! I wish you were closer to Eastern PA.
Actually, I agree. The superbe, not the superbe pro
The only bad thing about Sante is the fact that your heels will eventually scuff up the whitish crank arms.
You mentioned aero spokes. Were they blades, or oval? I used to love Shimano and Sachs 7 speed freewheels, because they would index perfectly with Campagnolo 8 speed shifters. (you just had to block off the last shift, at the rear derailleur, to keep the chain out of your spokes.
PS. I believe that there is a little Allen nut under that rubber plug on the calipers.
PSS. Were the bars and stem the old 26.4mm, or the newer 26.0?
i remember Sante from the mid to late eighties. it was neat looking but that was about it. Sante was below Ultegra and Dura Ace.
Some say above Ultegra. They perform very similar!
Sante - the "secretary's groupset" from Shimano. Buyers drove pink VW beetles to their secretary jobs and hung their Sante-equipped bikes on a bumper rack on the back when it was time to drive down to the beachfront bike path. How many of their bikes had sheepskin seat covers so they could ride in comfort in their bikini's?
BTW that shfter boss setup on the downtube was crying for some threadlocker my friend!
LOL yes.. The secretary's group! What you don't see in the video was the shifter boss needs to be replaced! it broke and its doctored. I'm looking for a new one now!
Sante crank look retro & pretty.
Consider using self-adhering silicone electrical tape. There is no adhesive and it never dries out. The texture has the grip of Lizard Skin. I learned of this from a forum.
Agreed. I have rolls of every color electrical tape I will never use since I now have every color of silicone tape. If on a long ride in the hot sun, the electrical tape adhesive will melt and get your fingers all gooey if not unravel.
Do you know if campy (Record) made any downshifters like that (for 7 speed) with clickindex ?
Or any adapter /converter
(I love my Nuovo Record lever design).
Are you talking about putting index shifting on a vintage NR derailleur? If so.. I don't know of a way to do that. I experimented alot back in the 80s and couldn't make it work. Honestly. Campy's first version of index shifting didnt work well either! LOL
I don’t think there was a 68 Cinelli Bar. It’s probably a poorly stamped 66. The 66 was a deep drop bar, the 64 was shallow drop and the 65 was a Critériun bar. There also was 67 track bar.
Nice 👍
hey john i hate to ask you this so late in the day but i have a chance to purchase a bob jackson touring reynolds 853 in looks to be great condition do you know of these and whats your thoughts on them if you do ?
Hey Bob, Jackson with 853. What's not to love. Should be an awesome bike
thanks im not real familiar with them and iv only seen a very few and never had the chance to ride 1 so with the cost of it i was wanting to get your opinion of there quality
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Why not white housing?
white concor saddle
Good choice!
I am building a cannondale 3.0 with shimano 600 parts, is the headset specs any different for the cannondale?
@@Zikuissigma67 no, it takes a standard headset
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It's a two part paint. Pearl over white.
ah. interesting!
42 on the smaller crank is just mind bogling to me....
Meaning its too large?
Yeah, to me at least. Having to pedal such huge cranks with so little gears at the back just seems counter intuitive to me. Athletes from way in the days were something else...
My rig has a 46-30 GRX paired with a 9 speed 11-something cassette and it seems all the gears i will ever need are in there. Makes me wonder how they did the mountain and hill climbs with those, probably hard to pedal, gearing.
Also, why were the derailleurs so much better looking at that time compared to now? Those two tones metal and white colours are just gorgeous! I have only seen the GRX Limited with somewhat of a color scheme to it, and it still is not as good as the Sante.
your a cratsman john i think it looks great
Thank you much!
That stuff is painted or powder coated. Anodizing is a chemical conversion process of the surface; fundamentally the same thing as gun bluing. Unlike gun bluing which is naturally black (because it's black iron oxide), anodizing (aluminum oxide when done to aluminum) has no inherent color, but colored dyes can be added during the process. Like gun bluing, there's no apparent thickness to colored anodizing like there is with paint and powder coating. Instead, it looks like the metal itself is colored rather than coated with something that's colored (until it starts wearing off, that is), and the color has sort of a translucent look to it (because the dyes they use are translucent).
Colored anodizing was especially popular with high-end BMX components in the 1980s, with gold, blue, red, and black being the most common colors. Having lots of colored anodized parts on your BMX in the 1980s kind of advertised to everyone that your bike was "all alloyed out," and therefore expensive, light, and fast.
Also, there's no such thing as white anodizing (at least not with the traditional anodizing process) and there are at least three different theories on why it's not possible. So if you see aluminum that's a solid white color, it's almost certainly painted or powder coated.
This is one of my favorite builds you have done, love these old cannondales. I would go with a white San Marco rolls saddle