WHAT IS THE BEST PIANO TECHNIQUE REPERTOIRE FOR ALL STAGES? - Czerny, Hanon, Pischna, Kullak, Chopin

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  • @tfpp1
    @tfpp1 2 года назад +7

    I had a very similar path as you did, studying Hanon, Pishna (primarily for the scale exercises where they go in all directions / intervals), Czerny. I'm in my 40s and can play most things (I played the complete Ravel's "Gaspard" for my undergrad senior recital), and I still wish I had studied more Chopin Etudes. I only did a couple. Ever. Now, I'm trying to make up for lost time.

  • @roguarinoful
    @roguarinoful Год назад

    Grazie, il tuo inglese é molto chiaro, e sei anche una brava e bella insegnante.

  • @ericastier1646
    @ericastier1646 11 месяцев назад

    Hi Dana, it's always a delight to hear you, i wish i lived in Sweden and could be friends.
    I just bought Czerny 4 books but not the Op 139 100 studies(i didn't see your video first) instead Op 849 which is 30 studies for the young pupil (i am your age tough). I already completed Op 849 and Op 836 and just started Op 299. In the past I studied all of Chopin's etudes (over 3 years), Bach 2 parts inventions and 3 parts inventions, Clementi sonatinas, and some exercise of Gradus ad Parnassum from Clementi as well. I also played several Mozart Sonatas (struggling), and many Bach WTC preludes and fugues (quite well). The reason for this chronology is i couldn't bring Chopin's etude to a good level (except for two or three of them) but i did indeed study each and every one of them deeply. It still did develop my technique despite i couldn't master them. You see in my childhood i played the organ not the piano which probably gave me a wrong technique. But i've been playing the piano for over 15 years now (i started piano when i was > 20 years old). I have one major technique problem that i have struggled for years to solve, it's the right hand thumb passing. It's the main reason i started to study Czerny. Here i would describe my problem : The thumb nail joint (closest to the extremity of the thumb) tend to get locked bent inside when playing fast scale like passages or arpeggios and causes my hand to go into a spasm where the muscles stay tense even as i stop playing. It can get so bad that if i repeat and repeat playing i cannot even play at any slow speed without the tendency to come. It is important to note i do not have this problem at all with the left hand thumb, only the right. I am left handed. I do not know the reason, but i can remember that even at age 12 when i was playing the organ i already had this problem. I have not found a reason why this is happening. I remember being twice hurt in school basketball games at the thumb at around 10 years old that i had to keep it immobilized with an aluminium guard wrapped with bandage to keep it steady for 2-3 weeks. I am only 50% believing this may have started the problem but i had no sequel from that, at least none that i can tell or feel.
    I understand that the thumb bending inward at the nail joint is not a useful movement for playing any note, although it can normally happen while moving the finger in preparation of a higher note, but not while pressing down a key. In contrary bending the thumb nail articulation outward is beneficial to free the gap between thumb and other fingers since the thumb has muscles that connect it to index and major finger (these are the muscle i get the spasm). My technique is quite developped (all other fingers are quite good) except for this problem and it is why i have gone to Czerny hoping to solve it. I notice that if i play without tempo (as slow as i want), the thumb does not get tense, but there is a tempo at which the spasm start to want to come and it's a slow to moderate tempo already not a fast one. It seems it's purely a bad brain to finger sequence of muscle contraction but i cannot be sure of that, but it's been difficult to solve. My theory is that my brain uses a flawed sequence of hand muscle contraction which creates tension that then lead to spasm when it is repeated too often over a piece. It's only a theory i am seeking advice to help solve this.

  • @keramatkhajavi9671
    @keramatkhajavi9671 2 года назад

    You are a very kind, honorable and hardworking teacher. I appreciate you with a loving heart.

  • @jimwalsingham1827
    @jimwalsingham1827 3 года назад +5

    Good topic for a video thank you. I found the Dohnanyi exercises useful as well. Thanks

    •  3 года назад +1

      Great addition to the list! Thank you 🙏🏻

    • @marmer1038
      @marmer1038 3 года назад

      Yes!! I use also some exercises from Dohnanyi and I can really recommend Czerny op. 821 - 160 eightbar etudes! Small 8bar etudes deal with every technical problems. When you play each etude 5-8 times, you reach longer one and need more concentration.👍

  • @sebastianberglund2604
    @sebastianberglund2604 7 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you so much for this great video! I'm wondering about if the Hanon exercises should be played in other keys than C major. I find them much more challenging in some of the other keys but I'm not sure if that makes it better exercise? What do you think?

  • @chutton988
    @chutton988 3 года назад +3

    It was interesting to hear about your history and recommendations. I wish more people would talk about their development and I appreciate that you did so. It gives me good ideas for myself and for my piano students. I haven't used Czerny Op. 636 much at all and never did Pischna. I think Czerny is underrated and Op. 299 helped me a lot, as did the Eight Measure Exercises Op. 821. Some of my other training was Dohnanyi Essential Exercises (mentioned by others), Cramer Etudes, and Moszkowski Op. 72, which I can enthusiastically recommend. Thanks for the great video!

    •  3 года назад

      Thanks so much for adding this! And thanks for watching 🙏🏻

  • @gervasiomontenegro569
    @gervasiomontenegro569 3 года назад +3

    Good list!
    I didn't know Kullak.
    Thanks Danae!

    •  3 года назад

      Thank you! Kullak is amazing. :)

  • @pianopera
    @pianopera 3 года назад +7

    A cycle that is not mentioned here is the 60 Etudes of Cramer, edited by Hans von Bülow. They are great pieces to work on, also they have musical value - more so than the Czerny Etudes I think. Thanks for all your interesting videos!

    •  3 года назад +2

      Oh yes, great addition, thank you! I personally never studied those, but would definitely agree that they are great pieces to work on.

    • @jazzjens
      @jazzjens 3 года назад +3

      pianopera - thanx fot that!!! ;) Wanted to mention these beloved ones as well. They drift you to do it again and again and better and better ;)

    • @jackbussy3133
      @jackbussy3133 2 года назад +1

      No 44 of Cramer is a piece in itself ! So delicate. I’d love to hear Danae play it !!

    • @vanewfies
      @vanewfies Год назад +1

      I totally agree about Cramer's Etudes.

  • @erickenn96
    @erickenn96 3 года назад +2

    Thank you sweetie for the info. Very helpful.

    •  3 года назад

      Thank you 😊🙏🏻

  • @blaupunkt1619
    @blaupunkt1619 Год назад

    Excellent video! Thank you so much for your effort on doing such a valuable content. Cheers from Brazil.

  • @jacksonamaral329
    @jacksonamaral329 Год назад

    good. i enjoy hanon, czerny, beringer...

  • @richardforshaw8479
    @richardforshaw8479 2 года назад +1

    . Thankyou for the hard work in sifting out the most helpful repertoire to improve your piano technique. ❤️.

    •  2 года назад

      My pleasure 🤗

  • @camillobenso468
    @camillobenso468 2 года назад +4

    For me "The summa theologica" of piano technique is Albert Jonas:"Master school of modern piano playing and virtuosity" in 6 volumes..It is a sort of enyiclopedia.It is organised in chapters each one aiming to solve a particular technical problem a pianist can have.Busoni mentioned this and I found these volumes in an second hand bookshop.Absolutely stunning stuff as many great pianists of the past took part at the project.

    •  2 года назад +1

      Wow this sounds amazing and I don’t really know these books - will definitely take a look! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

    • @stephanjwilliams
      @stephanjwilliams 2 года назад

      Yeah, I came across the complete set on eBay and have not regretted my purchase.

    • @koengreen2540
      @koengreen2540 Год назад

      1 year later would you still recommend?

  • @marmer1038
    @marmer1038 3 года назад +2

    I use also some exercises from Dohnanyi and I can really recommend Czerny op. 821 - 160 eightbar etudes! Small 8bar etudes deal with every technical problems. When you play each etude 5-8 times, you reach longer one and need more concentration.👍

    •  3 года назад

      Thanks for the great additions!! 🙏🏻

    • @franzliszt3733
      @franzliszt3733 2 года назад

      @marmer Completely agree just started them

  • @amalsliem4586
    @amalsliem4586 3 года назад +2

    Thank you very much.
    Amal from Egypt.

    •  3 года назад +1

      🙏🏻🤗

  • @LkFia_
    @LkFia_ 2 года назад

    Czerny's 365 etudes can really refine advanced players tecnique

  • @rothschildianum
    @rothschildianum 3 года назад +5

    Jump to 2:50, to start listening to the digest of this video!

  • @elisabethartault3844
    @elisabethartault3844 Год назад

    Very useful, thank you.

  • @stefanlano6736
    @stefanlano6736 Год назад +1

    Hanon_Re-Visited- Hanon re-arranged in palendromic form by two students of Rosina Lhevinne / Dohnanyi Essential Exercises for a Sure Piano Technique / Moskowski Op. 72. Thank you for your videos!

  • @camillobenso468
    @camillobenso468 2 года назад +2

    Very nice video. But I think that as soon as a pupil is ready, Bach's inventions are a must,together with some easy Scarlatti Sonatas.Two immense composers that wrote music also for tecnique purposes. And of course I would not skip the Well tempered clavier, that Chopin considered the best work ever written for improving piano technique and musicality.

    •  2 года назад +2

      I absolutely agree with you! I have actually also made a video on beginner repertoire that is not technical (no studies etc) and of course Bach and Scarlatti is included there. Generally, although I made this distinction between „technique“ repertoire and „non technique“ repertoire to simplify things, of course the lines are very fluid and Bach is amazing repertoire for technical improvement.

    • @camillobenso468
      @camillobenso468 2 года назад +1

      @ Thanks a lot for your reply.I find your videos extremely interesting and rich of good advises.

  • @dips2083
    @dips2083 2 года назад +1

    Thank you !

    •  2 года назад

      🙏🏻

  • @rogercarroll2551
    @rogercarroll2551 2 года назад

    You must be a splendid teacher !

    •  2 года назад

      Thank you!!

  • @happy49rfan
    @happy49rfan 3 года назад +2

    Speaking of Chopin's etudes, a video tutorial on op 25 no 12 would be great! It has that nasty jump from finger 5 to thumb that I think he's emphasizing throughout. Plus it demands control over the runs so they don't mask out the melody.

    •  3 года назад

      I will add it to the list of future videos! Thanks for the suggestion and thanks for watching 🙏🏻

  • @per174
    @per174 3 года назад +1

    Very useful video! I usually warmup with Hanon exercises and arpeggios in various keys. Will definitely try look into the Czerny stuff you recommend. Thank you so much!

    •  3 года назад +2

      So glad you liked it! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

    • @rogercarroll2551
      @rogercarroll2551 2 года назад +1

      Hanon is so much more valuable if some of the exercises are transposed into keys other than C major.

  • @wilsonvivas7362
    @wilsonvivas7362 3 года назад

    Thanks, Great video.

  • @obiquity8752
    @obiquity8752 3 года назад

    Great! I have in my daily routine Hannon, Czerny Op139, and Chopin Op10. As strictly technical routine I would also suggest two more manuals. Someone says they're Hannon alternatives, I say instead they're Hannon supplementary. The first one should be consider as preparatory for the others two, the first the 150 exercises is all stuff with stopped hand, one (stay) pressed finger and the others ones that keep moving in a variety of combinations. This manual is Pozzoli "La Tecnica Giornaliera del Pianista". The other one is Czerny "40 Daily Studies" Op377, a great variety set of common and uncommon fingers passages.

    •  3 года назад +1

      Very interesting, thanks for the addition! Especially the Pozzoli sounds extremely interesting, thank you! 🤗

  • @keramatkhajavi9671
    @keramatkhajavi9671 2 года назад +1

    And the last question from the kind teacher .. What exactly do you suggest to strengthen TRILL performance? Thank you very much.

    •  2 года назад +1

      I will link my video on trills here, so you can check it out: ruclips.net/video/Y73scvQmhcg/видео.html
      Thanks for watching!

  • @maddalenasodo9566
    @maddalenasodo9566 3 года назад +1

    Thanks

    •  3 года назад

      🙏🏻

  • @mistericeberggg3677
    @mistericeberggg3677 3 года назад

    Great video! I am very happy that I have found your channel. High level stuff haha. I started the piano three days ago so I have a long road before trying Chopin's etudes. I think I'm gonna try Czerny and Brahms.

    •  3 года назад +1

      Thanks so much. Wow that’s amazing, I wish you all the best with your piano journey. Czerny and Brahms sound great. :) Thanks for watching!

    • @mistericeberggg3677
      @mistericeberggg3677 3 года назад

      @ Thank you very much :)

  • @arashjafarpuor5617
    @arashjafarpuor5617 3 года назад

    It was really great and helpful. I also found "fundamentals of piano technique" a very good book for improving techniques and all different movements that occur during piano playing

    •  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for watching and for adding that addition to the list! 🤗

    • @arashjafarpuor5617
      @arashjafarpuor5617 3 года назад

      @ You're wellcome😊,I enjoy communicating with great musicians such as you Danae

  • @javilalima
    @javilalima 2 года назад +1

    This was a really helpful vídeo, thank yuou very much! I am a late beginner and while practicing Hannon, I picked a small number of studies from te book rather than the whole set and I am working on transposing them to all keys (by ear, no written music), instead od playing all of them just just in C. For now I chose #7, 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27. I've already go #7 and # 27 in all keys. #23 is next. What is your opinion about this practice strategy?

    •  2 года назад +1

      I did the exact same thing. I didn’t practice every single Hanon exercise, but only a certain number and then learned to play them in all the keys. So I think that this is a great method. I would also suggest the first two exercises though, because in my opinion, they really improve the very basic finger strength and independence. All the best to you! :)

    • @javilalima
      @javilalima Год назад +1

      I have been practicing this hard and I have a follow-up question: should I keep the original Hanson C fingerings when transposing to the other keys, or should I make adjustments. For example, in exercise 1 transposed to Bb, I find it technically difficult to play Fbto A

    • @javilalima
      @javilalima Год назад +1

      To play F to A with fingers 5 and 4 on the left hand, as there are two black keys in between (F# and G#) these two notes. A video on challenges associated with transposing Hanon to other keys would be extremely helpful. Thanks a lot!

  • @semperreg
    @semperreg 3 года назад

    I still use Czerny easy exercices (7-8) every Sunday morning with the metronome, Hanon as a warm up with Grand Galop Chromatique de Liszt and twice a week Brahms (51 exo) and the Déliateur for the arpegios . I used to do Clementi and Kessler for octaves (rhapsody hongroise n°6 is not enought for me, specially when you try to do the final and accelerate the octave) - still looking for a exercice for octaves on white keys very fast. And to improve the technic, I would recommand Die Kontrebandier by Tausig (I do warm up exercices by Tausig before Brahms).

    •  3 года назад

      Thanks for this super valuable addition of repertoire! 🙏🏻

    • @gothamelliott
      @gothamelliott 2 года назад

      This is just WAY too much if one is trying to squeeze in practice for a serious repertoire as well.

  • @calvinhu8922
    @calvinhu8922 2 года назад +1

    I am an adult beginner, what do you recommend for me, can I send you the video with me playing Bach's prelude in C

    •  2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/Yeu1YdfdfbU/видео.html here is a video with repertoire suggestions for beginners. Hope this helps! Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

  • @KevinBrightman
    @KevinBrightman 3 года назад

    Love your content. It’s so helpful. Right now I started working on Complete school of technic for the piano by Isidor Philipp. My teacher studied with him and Rudolph Ganz. Would love to see a tutorial on Etude Op.10 #7 Chopin when you have time. Subscribed to your channel a few days ago.

    •  3 года назад +1

      Thanks so much 🙏🏻

  • @RubenArredondo-pr6sh
    @RubenArredondo-pr6sh Год назад

    you are incredibly smart. Thank you. You skipped Kullak??

  • @enrique7171
    @enrique7171 3 года назад +2

    Good afternoon, I wanted to tell you, I am 55 years old and I have been learning piano for about 9 months, I am doing the hanon, I am going for exercise 20. I read in some forums that it is not recommended, that you think. Now that I see your video, I don't know the pischna. What would you recommend me to do. Thank you.

    •  3 года назад +3

      I would recommend to start with Hanon very slowly and carefully and get into the Pischna a bit later. Personally, I find that Hanon does actually help but I know that opinions differ on this topic. Thanks so much for watching 🙏🏻

  • @gastonruizoyarce4818
    @gastonruizoyarce4818 3 года назад +1

    What do you think about Liszt's and Debussy's etudes?

    •  3 года назад

      I think they are amazing compositions, however I didn’t include them in this, because I feel like they are more towards “normal” pieces and not so much “just” etudes. Especially Liszt’s transcendental etudes are like a virtuoso cycle of pieces that don’t necessarily have to be called “etudes”. But obviously, amazing pieces!

  • @sovietsentiment
    @sovietsentiment 2 года назад +1

    Hi Danae, would you advice to play Hanon the way he wrote himself (raising fingers high, practicing every day etc...)? I've seen a lot of criticism about it and I just wonder what is the best way to practice his studies. Thank you for great content

    •  2 года назад +3

      I would always recommend minimal movement in order to maximize technical efficiency and giving every note a very conscious thought in order to create as many connections in between the fingers and the brain as possible. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

    • @gerardvila4685
      @gerardvila4685 Год назад +1

      I've done some Hanon and although I can see the problems in lifting your fingers high and bringing them down like sledgehammers I think I understand why he advised it - if you lift your fingers that way, it obliges you to pay attention to each strike. Though I sort of do the opposite: I try to keep my fingers as relaxed as possible, as Danae advises.
      Another thing I've seen advised, as with scales, is to vary the rhythms. Both because it's less boring that way, and because it helps to play more evenly when you're just doing it "straight". (But as I haven't got through them all yet I'm saving this for the future.)

  • @bleddyndavies4935
    @bleddyndavies4935 3 года назад

    Thank you for this video! It's really helpful to hear what you have to say about different sets of studies. Could you do a video/do you have a video about pedalling? For instance in pieces where pedalling is up to the pianist to decide when and where is appropriate to do so.

    •  3 года назад +1

      Thank you for watching! I haven’t done a video about pedaling yet, but that’s a great suggestion and I will film and upload that very soon! :)

    • @bleddyndavies4935
      @bleddyndavies4935 3 года назад

      @ Thank you!

  • @paulofil72
    @paulofil72 3 года назад +1

    I would add Liszt Op. 1 (and easier version of his studies) and his exercises (most people don’t know they exist).

    •  3 года назад +1

      Oh yes, great addition! Especially Liszt exercises that, as you said, are not known as well as his studies - thanks for this!

  • @soniaaugusto6492
    @soniaaugusto6492 3 года назад +1

    I am returning to the study of piano and this video was great for me! I will revisit my Czerny books and also approach Brahms 51 exercices. Currently I am studying Chopin's butterfly study at a very slow tempo, and it sounds so beautiful!

    •  3 года назад

      Sounds wonderful, I wish you all the best for your piano journey. 🤗

  • @lucasfrb
    @lucasfrb 3 года назад +2

    I never really played Pischna or Kullak, and I play some Chopin pieces but i feel like my right hand is a lot better than my left, do you have any tips or pieces that help the left hand "catch" the right?

    •  3 года назад +2

      I would say that Pischna actually is pretty good and effective for that and I would also suggest practicing Chopin op. 10, no 9 and op. 10, no 12. Also, when warming up, do everything evenly on both hands (scales, arpeggios, chromatic scales, etc). 💪🏻

    • @lucasfrb
      @lucasfrb 3 года назад +1

      @ thank you, you are starting to become like my teacher in RUclips ahah

  • @robb6406
    @robb6406 3 года назад

    I need to take a look at the Kullak octave book. Have you ever played Kullak's Scenes from Childhood? I sight read that book last year and they are musical pieces similar to Schumann's Album for the Young.
    For studies I find that for me the most interesting ones musically I have found are Heller Op 45, 46, 47.

    •  3 года назад

      I actually haven’t played Kullak‘s Scenes from Childhood but they sound beautiful! Heller Studies are great 👌🏻 Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

  • @keramatkhajavi9671
    @keramatkhajavi9671 2 года назад +1

    Dear Master, Can these techniques be used for accordion?

    •  2 года назад +2

      I think that there are many parallels to accordion playing, and although of course not everything is applicable, a big part of the techniques, especially the more general practice techniques definitely are!

  • @nicotandem7058
    @nicotandem7058 2 года назад +1

    I m studying czerny opus 599 alone , and I have reached only piece 41 after one year of piano (i m 42) , but you don t mention opus 599, is it not good ?

    •  2 года назад +2

      That’s pretty great. To have reached no. 41 within a year is a lot! Of course 599 is also very good, I just mentioned the ones that I know best and that I studied, but of course, 599 has similar exercises as the other ones and should be just as effective. Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

  • @krishnamoorthysubban5090
    @krishnamoorthysubban5090 3 года назад +1

    How about Czerny op 821?

    •  3 года назад +2

      Yes, also a great cycle of short studies. Very helpful!

  • @erickenn96
    @erickenn96 3 года назад +1

    Question.....how in depth did you get into Czerny progressive studies? You said you played all the way through. Did you just sight read and play or did you memorize the book?

    •  3 года назад +4

      I learnt about 2-3 studies per week and practiced them until I could play them by memory as well.

    • @erickenn96
      @erickenn96 3 года назад +1

      @ thank you....that's a lot of memorizing! I'll try though.

  • @dunnkruger8825
    @dunnkruger8825 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks
    But what’s that background squawking

  • @czeynerlamentemusical8048
    @czeynerlamentemusical8048 3 года назад

    You did not mention the studies Op. 692, 756, 754, 755, 365 and 400, all of them are much more difficult than the studies of Chopin and of a greater musical heat

    •  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for adding those, yes they are very helpful to study as well!!

  • @PianoBangBang
    @PianoBangBang 2 года назад +1

    Obviously Brahms Paganini variations should be assigned after a student learns what a quarter note is lololol

    •  2 года назад

      😅👌🏻

  • @PianistStefanBoetel
    @PianistStefanBoetel 3 года назад +2

    Technique enemies: Liszt only taught repertoire.
    Had lessons with Czerny 😮🤔🤔🤔
    😂
    By the way Liszt' technical exercises are very useful. The first ones are similar with Dohnanyi.

    •  3 года назад +2

      😉 Yes absolutely, thanks for the addition!

  • @MickCorgi
    @MickCorgi 2 года назад

    Please correct all the Japanese teachers pronouncing “Czerny” as “Tserny” that’s wrong. 😂

  • @gregorsamsa4580
    @gregorsamsa4580 3 года назад

    Mikrokosmos?

    •  3 года назад +1

      Love that piece! I actually included it in my video with recommended repertoire for beginners :)

  • @czeynerlamentemusical8048
    @czeynerlamentemusical8048 3 года назад +1

    You did not mention the studies Op. 692, 756, 754, 755, 365 and 400, Henselt Op.2,5, Bertini Op.122, Mayer Op.200 And Ludwig Berger Etudes all of them are much more difficult than the studies of Chopin and of a greater musical heat

    •  3 года назад

      Thanks for adding this! I totally agree, very valuable repertoire!