One of these ZERO degree bags FAILED || Testing the Teton Sports Altos 0 vs Hyke & Byke Katahdin 0
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- $100 sleeping bags for winter. Backpacking doesn't have to be expensive, but buying the wrong budget backpacking gear can end up costing A LOT. Check out this review and comparison of two zero degree sleeping bags that are in the budget price range.
Interesting Article on EN/ISO Ratings: www.thermarest.com/blog/en-is...
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0:00 Intro
0:49 The criteria for my budget zero degree sleeping bag
2:16 The two budget sleeping bags we’ll test
2:48 The Hyke and Byke Katahdin 0
4:57 What are ISO temp ratings and why do they matter?
8:51 Teton Sports Altos 0
14:08 Testing the Hyke & Byke Katahdin 0?
17:43 Testing the Teton Sports Altos 0?
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⚙Gear Links⚙
-Paria Thermodown Zero: shrsl.com/4bwla
Sleeping Bags Tested:
-Hyke & Byke Sleeping Bag (Winner!): amzn.to/47XTH6n
-Teton Altos: amzn.to/3N6BICI
Inflatable Pad Used (Paria Recharge XL):
-On Amazon: (no longer available on Amazon)
-On Paria Website: shrsl.com/4bwl4
Closed Cell Foam Pad I Used (Thermarest Z Lite): amzn.to/4a2ZLwd
Pillows Used
-Gear Doctors Inflatable: amzn.to/4a54PAy
-Teton Sports Camp pillow: amzn.to/46Ho54b
Thermodrop thermometer: bit.ly/ThermoDrop
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Great to have you back and doing these reviews. There isn't enough focus on budget friendly gear on RUclips. You are truly filling a gap and I hope you get more recognition soon.
Great to see you in the comments! I've appreciated hearing from you in the comments for a long time!
I totally agree and wish the same.
Find your channel was GREAT. I got really happy and started showing it to other friends that want to start camping.
I'm form Brazil. Camping here isn't really big like in other countries and gear is extremely expensive bc of our broken economy.
So me and my friends are always trolling at people camping but we never start bc it's just too expensive to buy gear and the cheap ones we found are usually total trash, which despite worsening the experience can also lead to life threatening problems.
Wow! I, like you, would never suspected something from Teton Sports not to function at least to what they claim in saying add 20 to 30 degrees. Soon as i saw what they were using for fill, I kind of had my doubts. I'm also betting packability would be worse than the Katahdin. No mention of dwr is disturbing also. I like a bunch of Teton Sports stuff because it is usually very durable and does the job it is advertised to do really well. I really think they need to go back to the drawing board on this one. I don't use as much of their stuff as I used to due to upgrading gear to lighter, more packable, and more expensive gear. But, I do still have all of their gear I've used in the past. I also highly recommend their gear many times to people looking for quality gear on a budget. I think the only Teton Sports item I still use is that same pillow thanks to your video way back when. That 2 pillow system is going to be hard for someone to drag me away from. I really hope this bag is a one and done mistake they will hopefully recall and fix. I'm hoping this isn't a sign of Teton Sports products to come. I think i may have to take a look at some more of their gear now before I recommend them to others. Tgeir packs still seem solid. I know that pillow is good. Haven't checked out any of their newer tents. The older ones were pretty good for the money. Yeah, glad you looked at this one. Just had soneone asking me about some budget equipment this morning. Anyway, another great video as always. Looking forward to what you put out next!
I was equally surprised at the poor performance of the Teton! I really wanted to like it because I like their company, but this one just wasn't it. I totally forgot to talk about packability. They H&B definitely does better in that department as well. The Teton isn't too much bigger, but I think that's partly because of the lack of insulation.
And totally agree about their packs. They are solid and durable and I still like the two that I have. No holes or tears, and I have taken them through some intense bushwhacking! The pillow has lasted me for years at this point. Somehow this sleeping bag just doesn't live up to their usual quality I've experienced.
Love it! I know you do these awesome tests and I truly appreciate how you set it up and review the gear, no matter what it is. Great work, a real contribution!
Hey! Thanks, friend! Truly appreciated!
Really appreciate your insight on budget equipment.
thank you! What can I say, I'm cheap! 😆
Solid review! Thanks!
Thanks!
Great review! Really well balanced and fair between the two products and your results speak for themself!
Thank you, sir!
Thank you so much for doing this review. You gained a subscriber. Please go over other aspects such as packing difficulties if any.
Hey! Welcome aboard and thanks for subbing! sorry I completely forgot to include packability! I almost never use the stuff sacks. I just put it at the bottom of a pack liner with all my other stuff that HAS to stay dry (sleeping pad and pillow, bed time clothes, etc.). They pack up to a fairly similar size, but the Teton is a bit bigger (that batting just doesn't pack as well as the synthetic down). I like that the H&B stuff sack is a little longer and thinner than most, because then it's easy to squeeze it into the bottom of your bag without wasted space in the corners. The Teton bag is heavy (twice as heavy as the H&B bag!) because of the thick material and heavy clips for compression. I'd say the H&B wins in packability as well!
That was an interesting comparison. I have a hyke &byke 0° down bag,they make good reasonable equipment.
Thank you. Ya, it was my first Hyke & Byke product, but I have to say I am a fan! I know they have some other great bags as well!
Good to see you back again....I got the paria 0degeee, best bag so far...you did that video on it, so I bought it....man I set my tent up, put that bag in there, it was 16degrees, that bag lofted to like 12".....I slept with just a loose fitting base layer...I was actually laughing when I woke....it was 16degrees outside, I was absolutely toasty....you did a great review on that....glad to see you back....peace brother
Hey! that's fantastic! I love that 0 degree Thermodown bag! So glad to hear that you do as well!! Thanks for the warm welcome back! I'm glad to be back!
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Kelty offers some great stuff at not crazy prices.
Ooh, I haven't tried a Kelty yet, although I think my very first sleeping bag in scouts 35 years ago was a Kelty. I still have it on those shelves behind me!
Even better than either is a US military surplus intermediate cold bag. You can pick these up all day long for $50 - $100 depending on condition. I paid a whopping $2.75 for mine at a thrift store. They're USA made, nice and roomy, very durable, have an overstuffed footbox and a claimed temperature rating from 35 to -10. They don't use generic poly batting or some sketchy propriety stuff which is probably just generic batting, either. They use Primaloft, an excellent synthetic that was designed for the military and is also good enough for high end civilian gear companies like Nemo. Now, I would not trust the bag to keep me warm at -10 and probably not at 0, but I have used mine down to a solid 20 and with a decent thermal base layer and a 3.8R pad it keeps me toasty warm. Add a good quality thermal liner and you're potentially looking at a bag that's comfort rated down to 0 or lower. They're filled equally on the top and bottom, too, so you can flip it over and let the hood drape over your head, which traps a lot of heat and as you probably know keeping your head warm goes a long way toward keeping your entire body warm.
On the subject of Teton, they've taken hits on some of their sleeping bags before and they've had the decency to acknowledge that they weren't performing as advertised. My gut tells me they're using a bad manufacturer that is using whatever they have on hand and in whatever quantities they feel like stuffing in them on that particular day. Chinese low end manufacturers are notorious for doing this kind of crap and I assume that's where they're being made.
Alright, I have to try to find one of these surplus bags. It's something I hadn't even thought about since I don't have a surplus place close to me. i'm going to have to try to track one down.
I think you're probably right about Teton. It's unfortunate, because I think they are a good company making good stuff. Just not always consistent.
@@DoseofDirt Ebay and Amazon have plenty of surplus bags in various conditions. Unless you buy the whole system you have to make sure what you are buying is the intermediate cold bag, which is the actual sleeping bag, and not the patrol bag, which is just an inner liner/summer bag. How warm it will be will probably depend on how much it's been compressed and kicked around. The one I have was definitely used when I got it, but was still in great condition, still really lofty and warm. I'm sure there's some out there that are completely worn out, though. One of the best things about this bag is the zipper. It's big and smooth and doesn't get snagged easily and to get out of it all you have to do is undo the Velcro tab at the top and pull the two sides apart and it rips right open.
I think Teton is doing the best they can to remain competitive and probably not cutting corners themselves, but I bet the factories they're using are.
I had a Teton sleeping bag with a survival rating of -7 celsius. On a 4 day trip… first 2 nights were beach on sand was fairly warm. Next 2 nights was forest and i froze. During my hike my camelback malfunctioned and got the bag wet. I hung it up to dry in the sun. With the sunlight i could see certain baffles had no insulation at all. It was retired! 100 dollars cdn garbage.
ah dang. I hate to hear stuff like this. I have had a good experience with a few Teton bags, but only in warmer weather. This altos S certainly didn't do what it was supposed to for me. Dissapointing.
@@DoseofDirt i upgraded to a Mamut… it was a Cadillac in comfort and warmth but weighed over 5 pounds. I have since gone to a Mountain Coop bag that checks off all the boxes!
@@jimbojones6169 Nice!
I slept a couple of cold snowy nights with my Teton. I felt just fine. It got down to 28°
I'm glad your experience was better than mine!
I got the Paria thermadown at Thanksgiving for $150 and that's a great value
Nice! For $150 that is fantastic! I really like that bag. I've had to move some down around a little as it's settled into the corners of some of the baffles, but that's expected with a lot of use. Great bag!
@@DoseofDirt I've noticed some down migration too, I even wondered if it was intentional as it was mostly over the torso area. I make sure to shake it out every time before use and that seems to help. I never store it stuffed, just hung. It was 32° here in Dallas recently and I was out in a tent with an exped car camping mat (don't ask 😂), some decent thermal leggings and a 👕 and was comfortable using it as a quilt. It's rated pretty well
I love Paria gwar. However that sleeping pad is NOT ASTm rated and you will be cold at freezing temps.
Conaider upgrading to the Exped Ultra 7.
Also a big Paria fan here (even though I can never seem to pronounce it right in my videos...). It definitely doesn't have the R-value they say. So far the combo of the thermarest z-lite on top of the Paria (I made that switch about a month ago after recording this video) has worked well for me. But that price together is about $120-$130, so it may be worth looking at some other options in that price range. Thanks for your thoughts!
Great Video. Thank you
I'm considering buying it, would you say the 0f synthetic can be good for both summer and 20f weather?
It would probably be a little warm in summer, but you can leave it unzipped and use it more like a blanket. If you want to do both summer and winter and only want one bag, a winter bag is the way to go. I haven’t tried it, so not sure how it would work for summer.
@@DoseofDirt thank you so much for the great advice
The dose is back!
Better believe it!
Great review! The water repellency alone would be enough to go with the hyke and byke. Btw, the pronunciation of katahdin is quite different than your pronunciation - at least here in Maine where the mountain is located. 😊 But who cares. The information is what was important!
The brand is not spelled or pronounced like the mountain.
@@JadeAkelaONeal my bad if so. Spelling appears to be the same?
dang, I STRUGGLED with pronunciation in this video. Paria (Pu-ree-uh) and Katahdin (Kuh-ta-din). Being able to sleep was probably my greatest (only?) skill on display in this video.🤣
@@DoseofDirt you did great things! Thank you
The design and performance of the Altos is somewhat surprising to me. I bought a Teton Sports Cobalt sleeping bag for car camping a few years back. It weighs just shy of 3.5lbs with the stuff sack and has a stated temperature rating of "30-60F". That temp rating is obviously a bit suspicious, but I've actually slept in it down to 36 degrees just wearing thin base layers and a long sleeved t shirt and stayed completely warm. Granted, I am a warm sleeper, but I was surprised by how well it performed. As far as temp ratings go, the Cobalt seemed to underpromise and overdeliver, while the Altos seems to overpromise and underdeliver, which is puzzling. It really does make me wonder if there was a manufacturing defect and some of the insulation in your Altos was left out. It may be worth contacting Teton Sports to see what they say.
I was also surprised! I have a Teton Leef 0 and it is much warmer than this altos (but also heavier! I love Teton and wish I would have had a better experience with the Altos. Maybe you're right about contacting them. I've considered getting another one to see if the weight is equally off.
Kind of off topic, but I noticed you have the folding pad on top of the inflatable pad….ive always seen it/done it the opposite way. Curious why you do it that way? More comfortable? Warmer? Thanks for another video. Edit: after watching the rest of the video it was flip flopped the usual way. So which is it for you?
You caught me! Ha! So when i did the test (as you can see in the b-roll) I had the CCF below the air mattress. That's how I've done it for a long time. But then a week later I tested some quilts and decided to try the CCF on top of the air mattress, and I actually liked that a lot more. It seemed warmer and definitely felt more comfortable to me. But I need to figure out a way to try to test the CFF on top of vs below the air mattress.
I think because I had tested the quilts that way and liked it, I wasn't thinking when I put my sleep system together to shoot the video. Oops!
Have you tried both? If not, maybe give CCF on top of the air mattress and see what you think. It may just come down to personal preference.
Any reccomendations for budget 0F rectabgle bags that aren't too heavy? I can't sleep in the mummys
Ooh dang. I haven't tried any rectangle bags because I always go with mummy to save weight. Darn. Maybe I can review some rectangle bags in the future.
@@DoseofDirt Oh boy did I go down a rabbit hole haha! I settled on a Zenbivy 10F quilt with the pad cover. I'll update back after I use it to let you know how it is, super excited!
@@TideTrekker NICE! I have always wanted to tried the Zenbivy systems, so please do let me know how it goes!
"You'll never be able to lose me orange" - LOL My dad refers to that colour as 'Puke Orange'
😂😂😂 Your dad isn't wrong!!
@@DoseofDirt must say, I get the idea of colours like that if you're going to get stranded on a mountain top and need rescue. But it aint half annoying when you want to stealth camp....and NOT draw attention to yourself!
I had exactly the same experience with Teton sleeping bag and like you, I have several of their products and like them a lot but this sleeping bag was terrible and I froze in 36 degrees temps.
Although I'm sorry you had a bad experience as well, I'm very glad to know I"m not the only one! I appreciate Teton so was disappointed that this bag just didn't perform as advertised.
@@DoseofDirt have you or can you test Snugpack bags? I have their blankets and they’re very good, although I don’t backpack (too old for it) I solo car/tent camp in the Sierras where temps can get very low at night. Or just giving me your opinion as to what you’ve heard would be greatly appreciated. I’m thinking of getting one.
@@carmenmartinez2882 unfortunately, I'm not familiar with snugpack bags. Sierras are a bueatiful place to camp!
@@DoseofDirt I love your reviews and trust them that’s why I was wondering. Thanks anyway. Yes the sierras are beautiful, I live in the San Bernardino mountains pretty nice place to explore and camp too, I take advantage of both, I’m very lucky.
@@carmenmartinez2882 That area is BEAUTIFUL!
My Height is: 68 inch (173 cm), and The size of my shoulders is 17 inch (44 cm).
Would you say a mummy sleeping bag of (81"L x 21"W) is suitable for my body size?
Thank you
It's not related to the content of the video, but at 3:30 I see you put the foam mat over the air mat. Is there a reason for it? I always thought the foam should go under.
Sorry if it's a dumb question. I'm a total beginner trying to learn and start. That's why I'm curious.
Not a dumb question at all! I used to always put the foam under as well (it helps protect from thorns, etc. under the tent) but after trying this way I realized that to me it feels both more comfortable and warmer, so I'm a fan of the CCF pad on top of the inflatable now!
@@DoseofDirt I see.
I also noticed later on the video that in some moments you had it under.
So I got a little more confused.
Thank you. I'll probably try both ways too and see how I feel.
miss ya bud
I love those big old cabin tents! We have a similar one as well and it hasn't leaked.
I have a lot of experience sleeping outside, former US army ranger...now retired. Very odd that you talk about weight yet choose synthetic... down is warmer per ounce especially goose down. The price point for goose is always higher its natural material so to start off its just a very odd combination. Over the dozens of bags I have used over the years I can say on avg always expect a 20 degree difference in temp rating from a manufacturer. My advice always get the warmest sleeping bag you can afford...when you are on a hunt in the high country 2lbs extra isn't going to kill you but the weather could get you injured.....winter camping is expensive and there is always going to be a lot more weight and equipment....the more money you spend the warmer you will be....I use a Marmot CWM bag -40 degrees... I use a exped dur8 r factor 7.9 and a classic ridge rest closed cell I use a US army wool blanket on the floor of my tent.also for warmth.... I climbed denali 4 yrs ago with this set up and was actually warm so i had to vent some nights......
Some awesome advice and experience from a person who knows what they are talking about right here! Thanks for adding to the convo. Crazy that you had to vent some heat on Denali! That is a SERIOUS winter set up!
Totally agree about getting the best bag you can afford. No one should be taking gear out in conditions it isn't suited for, no matter what their budget is. That may mean for some that winter backpacking is just off the table for now, and that's alright. I'm hoping videos like this one helps to find affordable options for the right conditions. Even though the Hyke & Byke was better, there is still no way I would take it out if the forecast was anything below freezing. Just not worth the risk, like you said. Thanks again for sharing your experience here!
Thanks for the insights...I was wondering if you know about this one particular design feature of the Hyke & Byke?
Hyke & Byke official channel mentioned that this has a design (a channel along the left side of the bag) to let you "transfer" filled from one baffle to another to allow a more custom comfort...etc.
ie. chest, mid, lower areas.
/watch?v=6ZjKLoen2TE
Yes! I noticed that as well on their descriptive video and I am able to do it with my sleeping bag!
I see you’re doing air mattress, then closed cell, then bag. Why? My current is closed cell, Mylar emergency blanket, air pad, then bag. Argue me away from this 😊
Ok, so funny story on this. After doing these tests I then tested a few quilts and decided to try putting my CCF on top of my air mattress. And I LOVE it! I think it's warmer and more comfortable. I have heard from others about adding the mylar blanket, but that's not something I've tried. I want to make sure I understand right. Top to bottom, is your setup:
Bag/quilt
Air mattress
Mylar blanket
CCF
Let me know if I got that order wrong. I've been trying to think of how to test different setups with thermometers in between layers or something, but haven't come up with anything.