its actually an ok concept just poorly executed. All of the interactive HUDS and systems would be easier to program and use if CIG would just start supporting 3x 6DOF VR :) LOLZ. Go CHACHI!!! VR CITIZENS FOR LIFE :)
So nice to have you trying SC for the first time! Just wanted to point out several facts that might help u put SC with more context: -SC was announced 10 years ago. Now, the PU did not arrive until 2017, late 2017. Everything u saw in that video, did not exist in 2016. -Regarding the funding of 500M, its important to understand that its the money that the company made, not the money spent. Also, usually for "cost of development" it is considered the salary and the marketing costs. We have this information and its around the 65% of 500m. The actual cost of SC is now around 290M. And do not forget, SC is mainly two project, the PU and SQ42, so u can say 145M for each game. -Regarding the money spent by players. Well, usually to know if players spend a lot of money in games you take the average. *The average of money spent by player in SC is around 120 USD. *LOL = 150. *WoW = Over 300 *War Thunder = Over 300 *World of tanks = Over 300 *EVE Online = Over 300 *CSGO = 100 So, if you compare SC to other games, a player in SC spends way less money that a player in most multiplayer games, even free to play games. This is because all ships can be purchases and rented ingame, because the credits ingame are so easy to spend, because u can melt ships and buy others with store credits, etc. And also because all skins and so on, can also all of them be obteined ingame. In other worlds, in SC, every single item in the pledge store can already or will in the future be obteined playing ingame. -SC is played by almost 60k players every day (with peaks to over 100k in weekends and events). People do not spend money for ilusions and dreams, people spend money for what the game has to offer right now.
Great breakdown! I feel like he would have benefitted greatly by having a regular SC player with him in discord, even watching him set quality to medium was painful to watch. I get it though, there's a lot of missing information or misleading information in the general public, "you need to spend thousands on ships, you need a $4k PC, vaporware, etc"..... I can't defend SC like some of the cultists, it's got its flaws for sure, but CIG hasen't gotten EVERYTHING wrong as some people think and the game has gotten far more playable over the past couple years.
They had spent over 400m by the end of 2020 according to their 2020 Financial Report. Taking into account 2021 and 3/4th of 2022. They might already have surpassed 500m in total spending( my estimate ~530m-550m). 500m raised in the website does not factor other income like subscription, merchandise, sponsorship and that 60m investment they took around 2018/19. Ps: I think it's better to put the marketing budget as well to show their total spending
@@anshukandulna1844 I am going to update my numbers since they are from end of 2021. And what I get is: -They spent in Marketing and Salaries, what is usually known as development costs, since 2012 to 2022 (yes, including an upwards projection of 2021 and 2022), around 520.760.000 USDs. -That money includes salaries from people who is NOT a developer. However, we know the rate of Employee/dev in CIG. We can consider an average of 20%. This leads to 416.700.800 USDs spent in development. -Now, that money is not part of the famous "500Ms, that includes investments received and "other" sources. Disregarding "other", they received a total of 63.2M USDs. If we consider 570.200.000 the total money they made as of 2022, we can say that they spent, in development, from the crowfund and "other", we get that they spent 328.974.315 USDs across Star Marine, Arena Commander, PU, TOW and SQ42, and others. However to summarize, i said before "they spent 145M in their main two projects PU and SQ42" refering to my data as of 2021. I can update it now, they spent 165.000.000 for each SQ42 and PU. - this is still nothing.
btw the "ship for 80 crew" is the Javelin, not the Carrack (I think that's a crew of 6) that you saw (2h16 in). Besides, a lot is missing to make crews necessary to operate big ships: life support, power management, ship components tear & wear, fire propagation. Basically that'll give the Star Trek vibes they're after. A solo player will have a very hard time keeping a big ship working on their own.
More than a hard time, i would say it's will not be possible. Yeah, you could sorta fly the thing, but thats basically it. At least you would have plenty of oxygen.
if a solo player takes a javalin, he will be boarded and bye bye javelin. Indeed, large ships can not be handled by small numbers of players for so many different reasons.
@@seveneternal7988 Yes, that's absolutely a good point. Besides the heavy lifting required to manage a capital ship solo, it'll be both cost prohibitive (fuel costs, repair, insurance) it's also the increased vulnerability to boarding, hacking etc.
@@r.daneel.90 Yes. One could try to hide in the black full of food and drinks, and use their cap ship as a giant (im)mobile house in space. Until the ship gets caught on someone's radar.
@@rhetor4mentor13 It is how the game will be balanced, most people will either play solo or with a group of friends, usually not more than 4-5 people. In those cases, ships like the Corsair, MSR or Constellation are perfect. It has enough space, is effective in an experienced crews hands and is efficent in regards to cost. For those who like to run pro squads of up to dozens of players, we are talking 20-30 peope, capital ships make sense. A well experienced org could use a Kraken as a moving headquarters, dividing themselves into a crews for different task. In this way, a large ship can operate at 100% combat effectiveness and actually make money intead of loosing money. Large ships will be balanced in that way. Also insurence and reclaiming a large javelin should be up to 48 hours in my opinion. Players should not be able to just pull capital ships after theirs gets blown up within a day or two of waiting time.
That harbinger in game is about 2 mill in game. Maybe 20 hours grind from the ship you have if you do bunker missions. Compared to $290 in real life. Some ships are just worth getting in game
As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
All new respectful points of view are always welcomed! I am sure you would get a more interesting opinion playing alone. Try also different missions, including the ones under "personal". Read the descriptions of them and do not see the money. Also keep in mind that some missions are unlocked only when u achieve certain reputations with the factions (u can see the reputation on the last tab of the mobiglass). I would recommend u microtech for starting and testing the missions, its one of the best places with more missions unlocked without needing reputation.
seeing Luke start to get into the game as he kept going was a very satisfying feeling. always the best feeling to be surprised by a game (even though this isn't anywhere near a complete game)
The AI system you mentioned in 3:33:41 is actually being worked on by CIG its called QUANTA , it simulates economy ai and npc movement and actions and will soon be represented in game by actual NPCs when the technology is finished . For example a miner found a pocket of ore at a moon , now it gets flooded by miners wich then sends pirates to intercept those miners wich prompts security to patrol the area because of reports and you'll be able to see that process evolve in game , the building interior generator is also being worked on and it stemmed from the technology developed to make procedural caves and that tech keeps improving more and more as development continues meaning after all those tools and tech are done planets buildings systems and points of interest will be able to be generated and made quickly with high levels of detail and fidelity. It's really amazing unfortunately we don't get to see it's full potential until later as it's still being built but we've seen tastes of it here and there with the weekly show "Inside Star Citizen "
Ive been playing since 2016, and I love watching new players. It's always a flashback to see how much of a learning experience SC is since you get no help. Love all the Citizens in your chat telling you everything
I started playing SC this year. I sued to play elite. I must say that I had way lower expectations based on what I heard about this game, and right now I have just ordered my new HOTAS to play it lol
If you get Voice Attack, this game is sooo much more fun!!!! i have 6 AI's for my voice attack so i can roleplay with my own ship as well... and control my targeting and missiles etc with voice commands
Stumbled across this video after the stream. I'm glad that you gave it a try! SC is definitely not for everyone: It has a frustrating learning curve, can be very buggy, and has a very slow development time. That being said, it's scope is pretty unique, the community is generally very friendly, and it ticks all the boxes for me, game-wise. It has the potential to be the metaverse I'd been hoping for since I first played Wing Commander back in the 90s. Hope to see you in the 'verse! O7
need to keep the graphics on high, turn the clouds off(or med) if you want the planet space stations to run better. The game will not use all of your gpu, Its CPU heavy. The 4 major space ports only expect to get around 35-50 fps. Out in space or other space stations/planets you should be getting around 60-90 fps. The game is still a broken mess but if your willing to learn it and deal/work around the know issues there is moments of wonder that no other game has done yet(in the space genre at least). Also it helps once you been to most places and build the cache up. At least it seems that way for me. Also it helps to watch a couple helpful tips vids on youtube
It sounds like you are too focused on the price of ships. You can buy them all in game, and once you know what you are doing you can earn 300-400k an hour. As opposed to focusing on the money try make your streams a "zero to hero" type entertainment where you can show that doing this is possible. Having said that you will probably get short circuited by people giving you money. Also 3.18 is most likely a wipe due to the cargo refactor. That is when piracy will make big $$$!
Yeah, that's the inexperienced player bias in SC. Caring too much about real money, insurance, ship costs and assuming they're trying to steal your wallet at each step. The more you play, the more irrelevant all that becomes, you don't need to go through the Pledge Store more than 1 time, for your Starter pack.
Even SC fans poke fun at SC, it's just such a crazy game in all sorts of different ways. You don't *have to* spend any real money on any of the ships. Apart from the most recent ship which remains in the pledge store for a month or so, all ships can and should be bought in-game. There isn't really anything to gain from buying them from the pledge store, it's recommended only if you want to support the development and maintenance of the game financially. I did spend a bit extra in the pledge store though, so now I can keep exchanging ships for store credit to try other ships at no cost.
What is interesting about luke's playthru is he actually start alone. Most of new player joining this game will have a mentor or have watched guides on things.
Alot of what was made was used on Squadron 42 which is the single player game which is like Wing Commander, but that has also helped build the tech that can then be passed over from there into star citizen. now that Squadron 42 is now supposedly feature complete and is in polishing phase hopefully Star Citizen should be getting alot of these over the next few years.
2:46:00 For the curious: your ship's fuel indicator is on the RIGHT HUD SCREEN on this ship. It's actually split into components for hydrogen and oxygen, since it's a chemically fueled rocket you need an oxidizer (O2) and fuel (H2) that combine to produce thrust. At least that's what it looks like from here.
Saw this in my recommended because I'm looking to play this interesting game soon. Loved your livestream! Do you find livestreaming here better than on Twitch? Liked and Subscribed 😊
4:19:22 You can't unequip your current helmet because of the vacuum, same with your flight suit. But you can equip or unequip any armor *around* that flight suit just fine. 4:20:51 Smaller things like ammo is likely *inside* his armor or backpack etc, so you have to search those.
You can buy most ships in game, with in game money. So many ppl think omg i have to spend tons of money to play the game and in reality you can buy a $45 starter pack make your in game money and buy ships in game.
I'm still wondering why I nodded 'no' on 2h15m10, I was listening to the stream and there was a short delay, so it could be as answer to an earlier question or my reaction to VoIP not working. For the $600 price tag, I can provide some perspective on these prices: As SC being in development and ship stats in flux players can 'melt' (sell) their ships and buy with the store credit other ships. Included in the pledging system you can CCU to higher priced ships only paying the difference. To avoid players daily melting and buying ships most of the ship sales are limited in time. In the beginning some players have amassed a huge amount of CCU's in their buyback list in their accounts by rolling store credits and are able to sell ships on secondary market on reduced prices by chaining speculative CCU's, that utilize ship price increases on release. So, to counteract this CIG is using warbond CCU's, buy-back tokens, limited gift ability. As I understand these elevated prices are the result of his CCU gaming, aka it is baked into the cake. Give or take the benefits it looks to be a thing CIG is actually pursuing this (one thing indicates this is the sale of LTI tokes at or right before the anniversary sale), benefitting long-term players.
FYI shader compiling halves FPS and creates stutter while it's happening. It takes 25 minutes with SATA SSD, 12-15 minutes with PCIe 3.0 nvme and 6-8 minutes on PCIe 4
When my org bought the Idris ($1250 when it came out) our members just donated ships and packages for me to turn to store credit. I think each person on average paid $50-ish. But you wouldn't want to do it this way if you just joined an org, it's more for established gaming guilds that already know and trust eachother. Later in the game when it's live you can simply rent ships like those from players as well as in the NPC economy with in-game currency
A lot of people misjudge what should be in SC already and how far they should be. What needs to be kept in mind was their need and desire to create the tech to run or make things that didn't exist or didn't fit. Right now the biggest is server meshing. Ifg you look into it - it should blow your mind, as well as the other tech they developed. Once server meshing and container streaming is good then a lot of other things can happen. Until server meshing - most of it cannot happen. So, improvements to AI, the addition of other systems and a ton of other things all hinge on proper server meshing. It should also make you excited for the potential for other future games as well once this tech is good to go. You can't look at SC like any other game, because it is not. Respect to you for keeping an open mind while approaching SC. A lot of people do not.
2:16:00 it's kind of like Dungeons and Dragons. The way to do it is to get a "clan" of your friends together and pool your money to buy the ship bundle packs. You pick one person to manage the crew's fancy ships and equipment, but then while you're playing you all share. Just like in DnD you often will see groups pool their money and buy a bunch of stuff like NPC and monster mini figures and new adventure books and then the DM is responsible for managing it all.
There are orgs in the Star Citizen game that pool their money like often led by people with RUclips channels. You can also play the game solo it can be played like a single player game.
2:15:36 And that's actually a somewhat small ship. The biggest ship you can see in the game is 1 km long (not player ownable though, it's the biggest human faction carrier, the Vanduul has a carrier that's 4 km I think?)
They've spent most of it, and only started making any money maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Before it was all buying studios and growing, a lawsuit with Crytek, paying devs, actors (Mark Hammill, Gillian Anderson, Gary Oldman more pretty well known ones for the Single player game Squadron 42, paying mocap people, animators art folks, more studios more devs lol. As long as it's actually being worked on I'm fine. Been playing SC since 2019.
Ok, let's talk in-game currency... you could get about 400k/hour(I'm talking last update values as I haven't farmed that much in 3.17) by doing bounty missions(kinda changes every update so keep in mind this might be somewhat off), if you really get good at it and get the way of doing missions right you might get up to like 650k/hour consistently So when you do the conversions between in-game and real money it shouldn't be a 1-to-1 comparison, pledging in the store it's never a "value" purchase, as most ships can be acquired in-game without much effort(compared to the hundreds of dollars to actually get it in the store) most ships can be bought with less than 10 hours of doing cargo runs or bounty hunting missions. Before the last major update, for example, I had only the same starter pack as you, but I was able to earn in-game lots of different ships, including the big yacht(890 jump) just by playing the game so you get an idea of how long it takes, it took me about 2 weeks in the holidays playing about 4 to 6 hours a day to get the most expensive ship in the game (890 jump)
That was one serious head injury you had there, I didn't know the 890j had beds advanced enough to mend that, you had both vision and hearing impairments. By the way, the game is currently running on a gen 12 renderer and partially on DX11. The next big patch in 2 months or so is supposed to have the entire game run in the gen 12 renderer, at which point they want to start using Vulkan.
Any time there's an update that resets your character, the shaders and such load in when you first spawn. So, the lag in the beginning goes away, or is greatly reduced after you've run around a bit and is essentially a non-issue once you get in space.
As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
@@PuppetMasterdaath144 As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
The game is 40$ less than what most people pay for stupid single-player games. You pay a value above that for you help the developers and have the ships without grinding. All the ships are and will be available to buy inside the game. Even the developers are very super clear that you are buying these expensive ships to support the development, why do people always start talking about SC by addressing this?... I expend 2k on the game but I did that because I really love the game, the project and want to support it... No one needs to expend more than 75 or 100$ on this game. You can easily farm any ship with just 1 month or less playing the game with some friends
I get the hate Star.Citizen gets...i was one of them until this past summer when i actually tried it out. Ive been gaming for decades, and this game has brought new experiences. It really is a game that has to be played to understand. I also feel like the $500 million thing will take a different light as the years go by. Already it is said gta6 will cost 2 billion....and it's basically just a (presumably) better version of gta5. Star citizen will cost less then half that while truly trying to innovate. People seem to take for granted how amazing it is to get inside a ship, leave a planet, go into space, and land on another planet...with 0 loading screens. I can only think of 1 other game that can do that, and it's been 10 years for them to finally achieve thier promise and vision.
3:34:13 LOL.. don't forget that other company ... CIG! Again; what you described is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but procedurally. To add to that; they are nearly in the next phase of testing its new Persistence Entity Streaming tech, which is meant to remember the track the exact location of every entity/object ie Med Pen, Gun, Can Of Space Soda in the entire Verse. Attempting to replicate another aspect of the real universe; the fact that nothing is ever "destroyed", its just recycled. Think about the implications of that technology; true persistence of EVERYTHING in a 24/7 Open Universe Game Engine. What the fuck do you think that is? ITS A FUCKING META VERSE ENGINE!!! LOL.
If someone has the disposable income to spend a few thousand dollars on a game over the course of years is really their business. I spend 8k every year on golfing and that is a game too. I also have almost 1000 dollars into Star Citizen spent since 2017 and I will continue spending money on it until I get to about 3k. To me star citizen isn't just a game, rather, it is what I wanted a game to be since I played my first played Star Wars Jedi Outcast. So Chris Roberts dream for the game is in-line which what I want a game to be and this is probably the best chance at it given my age.
3:33:00 where you talk about the future of gaming; AI systems working with procedural generation engines to build living breathing cities, and that that is where game company's should be throwing their money. What game do you think you are playing? What do you think Star Citizen is? It IS a Metaverse engine they are building, and they ARE planning on building the AI to be living people that have schedules; ie go to work and go home on the very cities you were landing in and out. Right now all they do is stand on tables and couches!! LOL. But yea, CIG is REALLY a Metaverse Game Engine Developer and also the first to build the level of Procedural Generation tech that we've ever seen at this scale and fidelity! How the specific title of "Star Citizen" goes on official realease in about 10 years, who knows. What's MORE important is the first of its kind tech they are essentially R&D ing, and its EXACTLY the vision you have for the future of gaming! You're Playing it right now!! The irony was so thicc I had to comment :) .
Please don't call SC aMetaverse. Mark Zuckerberg and all the other dumb businessmen already ruined that word, it doesn't mean the same thing it did 5 years ago.
@@r.daneel.90 well whatever semantics you want to use; Oasis, Second Life VR but like in space, lol. It IS an engine that is trying to simulate all layers of 3d reality and persistence across vast swaths of space for thousands of real world players 24/7 365 open world engine.
41:24 Unless he has been *convicted* it's ethically wrong to call him "the murderer", just so you know. (And honestly given the state of the US justice system I'm also taking actual convictions there with a grain of salt) 44:09 *Thank* you for that bit.
He seems to have dodged any major bugs. His performance is also really good he probably has a beefy rig. If I were you I'd wait till the free fly event in November to try it out before you spend money on it. It might not run well or it just might not be a smooth enough experience for you due to your tastes. The fans that love it right now are usually like DayZ fans, Tarkov etc, so they're more used to buggy early access games. It's my favorite game by far but also it's not for everyone. This video was a great example of when it works. He was also really good at like reading instrumentation and not smacking into the planet five times trying to deliver that one box.
There will be a free fly period starting on the 18th along with the Intergalactic Aerospace Expo, basically a showcase of various ship manufacturers and their ships on specific days at an expo. Though I should note that during free fly's, since there is a lot of new traffic from others who also want to try out the game, server performance, and by extension your experience with the game, may be degraded. There is however a generous refund policy if you want to try it outside of the free fly.
If you jump into the game to try out stuff, don't be hesitant to ask in global chat about stuff or even for help. I've seen plenty of streamers who wanted to get "the real experience without any help" and relegated themselves to not ask in chat for stuff, even though for the majority of players this would actually be their real experience: Stuff seems weird or something doesn't seem to work, ask in chat what's going on. The community is generally extremely helpful since they know that there is a steep learning curve at the beginning (we've all been there after all) and they genuinly want newcommers to have a good time. Not everyone is as generous with their credits (there are people who don't grind their way to 6 million within 2 hours) and so you can encounter people telling you how to make money quickly rather than just sending you some, but that often happens when you're basically begging for money. No one likes the chat getting spammed with transfer requests. Other than that the community is overwhelmingly welcomming. Some will offer you ships to do missions in, some will offer you a job becomming their turret gunner, nearly everyone will gladly offer advice. Also regarding the money they raised and spent: Don't forget that they are keeping a live service active during this development time. And those services went live pretty early on. Alpha 2.0 (Arena Commander and Star Marine modules from the main menu, basically the in-game dogfighting game and in-game FPS game, meaning that at some point it's planned that you will be able to sit down into a simulation seat within the PU and access those modules from within the main game) went live 2015. The Hangar module where you were able to look at your ships and configure them was available since 2013, so they had to spend money on servers not only to develop the game but also provide access to it from almost the beginning. There is a not insubstantial chunk of money going into the live service every year.
Great video! I think you gave it a really fair review. Controversial funding model and early studio mistakes aside, you could probably at least understand why others might get so passionate about the game. Definitely not enough content for it to be anyone's main game unless they are a VERY specific type of gamer. Also they have one or two more major engine modifications on the way, so bugfixing current placeholder missions isn't a priority. It's more of a sandbox to screw around in with some simple delivery or courier missions, but often things will break. You were actually extremely adept at picking up how the map attempts to work, as well as controlling your ship. I'm very impressed at your skills as a first timer.
4:46:19 I'm impressed. Well done. =) 4:48:12 No, but the community is usually very helpful, and that's how *most* players learn most things. 4:53:09 To be honest, you where kind of lucky with that server, it's not top notch, but you had better servers and networking then average. Sometimes you'll get a *lot* more issues. But on the flip side there's also cases where it's better and the AI is actually shockingly good then. On average it's *slightly* worse then this.
This was a very pleasant first experience. Looking forward to the video when you've gathered your thoughts. I hope you will get on some podcasts with other RUclipsrs who've recently started up with SC. It's nice to hear fresh perspectives in discussions about this game.
You *can* play the game fine with M+KB HOTAS / HOSAS / HOSAM + GameGlass + Head Tracking are the best overall option, but that gets pricey fast. I'm at about $2k on peripherals at this point...
Also, you don't "have to spend real world money." You can buy the base $45 game package and then buy that Carrack with currency earned in-game. Pledges have some advantages (LTI and such) but are not at all required to get those ships.
Translating aUEC to "real dollars" is... not really possible. *Ships* have a real-world pledge-price, and you can kind-of-sort-of valuate based on that... but that varies wildly, the aUEC price does not directly or evenly correlate from ship to ship. And those that are handing out 5m of sugar in game are stupid deep in aUEC from playing and earning said aUEC.
And dude... mad props on that A2 landing in the hangar. Not quite perfect but most folks wind up all sorts of exploded on first try with something that big :D
your gonna need to revisit the game if you have look at all the stuff they/are going to drop on the star citizen yt page hand down ahead of everyone else
10:18 That sounds like a joke... But the worst part is, I *genuinly* can't tell if it's real. Edit: Good, I'm glad that it was. You should at least play it a year or two before going tripple digit. 35:39 You *are* aware that you're soaking your brain in chemicals when playing games too, right? They're specifically *designed* to trigger the production of certain chemicals in your brain and you can easily get in the same kind of trouble with that as with drugs. 40:23 There's a *lot* I'd like to say about that, but not in the middle of the night here...
First, you need to better multi task with the game and chat, they yelling at you stuff that are important to the moment nonstop, and you don't notice, also shame on them for not showing you the M.S.R. A.K.A. Millenium falcon with all hidden compartments and hidden smuggling areas and the Scorpius aka x wing. All in all good video, I hope you will continue playing. F.Y.I., even if you are not planning on paying much for the game, at least shell out couple more bucks to start the game with the Titan, the best starter ship in the game and def worth the money if you keep playing.
The game has decent enough content for the 45 $ you pay you'll be spending way more than 45 hours of engagement on it for that money tho and with 3 major updates a year each bringing massive new content even vet players have something to look forward to . The next major patch 3.18 brings OPTIMIZATION FINNALY along with a teir zero implementation of a long awated new profession called salvage . The game though flourishes with player organized events and creativity. From races spanning half a goddamn planet on little buggies to massive 50 vs 50 fleet battles and even multi combat operations with troops on the ground and in the air it makes for very interesting and wild gamplay. And not just pvp but mass mining events with pvp players protecting them against pirates out for their hard earned gems the game gains depth and with each update that deepens and gets more refined. I hope you stick around and watch it evolve from here they'll try what no one else has simply cuz they can because they have us crazy backers , and while some see that as never ending creep I see it as infinite innovation and never ending new content. As long as in the next year the game is a little more optimized I'm happy seeing how far they get to go
3:50:33 Guess you're locked into doing trading now then. I believe that the economy is a little broken in this patch, but it'll be good in the next one. You can *still* make a profit with it, it's just not as good a return on investment as other gameplay loops as they went a bit to far with nerfing it from being *way* overpowered in previous patches. Trading is getting a major overhaul in the next few patches. 3:51:48 Honestly, 5 million aUEC is actually quite common gift for a *new* non-streamer player close to a wipe like this. Some streamers have been given 30+ million aUEC in the *middle* of a patch out of nowhere. That's *not* something regular players can expect.
Thought this game was an incredible concept for years so I finally bought it last week and can confirm it’s completely broken in its current state. I don’t see myself returning until they implement and polish the beta version of the game w server meshing and pyro. Super disappointed tho bc I spent 90% of my time going to missions and not being able to finish them due to session breaking bugs
Star citizen is taking so long because its making the Same AI procedural generation tools you said Rockstar should be making and they've bin on it for YEARS star citizen is playing the long run
WELCOME TO THE VERSE! My handle is Snoopreme_Chancelore. The Carrack is really about $600 irl money, but there are ways to buy ships with real money and not spend that amount. You may be able to get it for half the price by doing CCUs, which are trade ups. YOu also can purchase it in game for 26.6mil UEC. I have one, but it isnt easy to drive because it steers like a cargo ship. Your better off getting a C2 which carries more and flys a lot easier. You pretty much can buy any ship in game for UEC. BTW starting on the 18th there is a fly free for 12 days along with the ship expo. It's pretty epic. I've been playing since 2015.
Lmao i love how people compare this to Starfield as if Starfield was not made in like a century years old engine, like srsly Bethesda pls retire that poor engine
Glad you enjoyed it! Would love to see you have another go once 3.18 comes out, which will add some very important back end tech (persistant entity streaming and salvage), though I expect these new things to bring a lot of teething problems too, same goes for 4.0 which will add the single most important tech for the game - server meshing. 4.0 will also add a new (and absolutely huge) star system, Pyro. It will be a very different system to Stanton, more of a 'no mans land', a wild west of space.
@@vorpalrobot Maybe, but they've already begun work on the Spirit, and they've been mentioning structuring the AI for passenger loops in the last two monthly reports.
@@billywashere6965 I wouldn't expect it as a feature until after you've seen it for a few months on ISC. I expect it within a year, but I wouldn't estimate it before next summer.
@@vorpalrobot Depending on how things go with 3.18 and 3.19, summer of 2023 might be 4.0? That seems like a reasonable estimation for the passenger loops.
Just to add some context for people wondering why it's taken ten years and how they've amassed $500 million in crowdfunding: The reason it's taken so long is because there were no engines or middleware suites available at scale for the project, so CIG had to build a lot of it from scratch. They started with the CryEngine 3 for its global illumination and procedural IK which cut out a lot of dev time. However, they still had to gut the engine and convert it to a 64-bit floating point processing environment for the advanced entity placements within the physics grids in real-time, as well as making a seamless universe with no loading screens after the initial load. They needed to build out four pieces of middleware to make Star Citizen functional. Planet Tech, Object Container Streaming, Persistent Entity Streaming and Dynamic Server Meshing. They finished the core Planet Tech, and Object Container Streaming. Players are currently testing Persistent Entity Streaming, which is a required prerequisite for dynamic server meshing. They finished the core tech for static server meshing, and it's expected to arrive in the patch after 3.18 (which contains salvage and PES). Once server meshing is brought online, they can then start bringing the handful of other star systems online and flyable capital ships, starting with Pyro. Basically, the actual gameplay development is just really getting underway and you'll start to see a lot more of it come online with 4.0, now that most of the tech hurdles are done.
To be clear, they mismanaged the earlier years. They got way more money than they planned, and also ending up setting up some lofty goals. They attempted to fix these two issues by outsourcing a bunch of work. As you can tell the game is very complicated, so it just didn't work. They then had to spend time and money bringing all that stuff back in-house, losing a lot of earlier work and also the effort needed to build up teams and pipelines. They've gotten much better at it but I almost completely write off anything before 2015. 2016-2019 they did better but still had issues in terms of promises and deadlines. Since then they've gotten so much better. I wouldn't say faster so much as honest. I don't mean that in a personal way, it's a corporation and they're not gonna tell everything. Honest in terms of them cutting the long term roadmap. They should have known better than to try and predict that far. They've also gotten more honest with dev updates. They used to show R+D stuff that they hinted was on the way that's still not in 4 years later. Now they just show stuff actively being worked on and in the game within 6 months. They used to feed off fan hype by saving surprises for events, with big reveals of new stuff. Now we get to hear about every little thing they work on every month, and the fans know exactly what to expect. In the past you might hype yourself up that they might release an older popular concept ship into the game for a holiday event or something, but now we know if it doesn't show up on the reports to not expect it.
@@vorpalrobot they did not mismanage and if u think so is because u are misinformed. In the early days they spent every single euro they received in growing faster. At a point they had more than 6 different outsourced studios working for SC to make it faster. The only thing that changed here is that the community decided to push them to a more wider project. This is not mismanagement, this is adapting. Relating to deadline, this also a big part of misinformation. Most, if not all, of the "deadlines" (they only had like 2-3 deadlines) that were not kept, the reasons were explained in its context and it was always supported, understood and well received by the community. Those "missed deadlines" were deadlines to do a different game than the one that the community wanted. They didnt kept this deadlines because they were from another different project that what the community wanted.
I've been with SC for 10 years and also happen to have been a developer across 4 games in my career over that time. There's a lot of SC's development that people just do not understand. I wish I could spend time with new players talking to them and showing them through the game and explaining why it's taken so long.
yea its why the hate wagon has a elephant in the room that gets overlooked, the fact those with dev experience who are well informed on CIG, basically side with CIG and not the hate wagon, but even then its not rocket science, i mean most folks cant even take the time to use calculator to do some basic maths of how much a game costs to make, there are reasons most AAA refuse to give financials on specific costs for their games and instead roll those expenses into a general operating costs so a give ofhand dev cost is taken at face value designed to downplay how much they cost to make as investors are highly fickle things,. if u know the active dev count per year, just times it by the average wage and = ur already got a base value on wages alone that is the same or greater then general estimates given for most AAA games, that doesnt have legal, insurance or facility operating/maintenance costs or marketing which typically scales up with the wage expense to being the same value up to double... with that in mind 500million for 10 years is looking well below industry levels for such a game were they would probably spend easily over 1 billion by this point to have replicated the same work, obviously why despite all this time, nobody wants to give a go. but thats just example of consumer ignorance and why when they cite the most expensive games ever made... crickets sounds in agreement can be heard from over in the dev corner,... again the elephant in the room those who hate ignore, because the majority of folks who do the work dont agree with their opinion. CIG aint perfect, but compared AAA they have raised the bar on what can be done, should be done and how it should be done as well, with only a few points were id say otherwise and the time to develop is not one them, because from experience they are actually breaking records vs what other AAA can do within same manpower and budget, so sure it would be nice if day 1 they had a pre-established AAA studio with 1000+ staff ready to go and a secure annual budget, but thats the con of this kind development, but as it goes i think the pro's far surpass the cons, when u can get it to work as CIG have done... unfortunately its a magnet scammers as well... but looking AAA these days... there basically just putting a spit shine on a turd anyways and releasing it with a AAA badge, if thats not scam i dont know what is.
That has to be the most intuitive understanding of the star map I’ve seen from a new player. Respect.
Starmap its the shitiest thing about SC imo everyone hates it ofc besides other things
gib new starmap pls cig
@@anewagenow2981 - Soon™
its actually an ok concept just poorly executed. All of the interactive HUDS and systems would be easier to program and use if CIG would just start supporting 3x 6DOF VR :) LOLZ. Go CHACHI!!! VR CITIZENS FOR LIFE :)
For anyone who cares, he actually starts playing at about the 90 minute mark.
11 months later I just want to say that I care. Thank you.
1 year later, cheers 👍
So nice to have you trying SC for the first time! Just wanted to point out several facts that might help u put SC with more context:
-SC was announced 10 years ago. Now, the PU did not arrive until 2017, late 2017. Everything u saw in that video, did not exist in 2016.
-Regarding the funding of 500M, its important to understand that its the money that the company made, not the money spent. Also, usually for "cost of development" it is considered the salary and the marketing costs. We have this information and its around the 65% of 500m. The actual cost of SC is now around 290M. And do not forget, SC is mainly two project, the PU and SQ42, so u can say 145M for each game.
-Regarding the money spent by players. Well, usually to know if players spend a lot of money in games you take the average.
*The average of money spent by player in SC is around 120 USD.
*LOL = 150.
*WoW = Over 300
*War Thunder = Over 300
*World of tanks = Over 300
*EVE Online = Over 300
*CSGO = 100
So, if you compare SC to other games, a player in SC spends way less money that a player in most multiplayer games, even free to play games. This is because all ships can be purchases and rented ingame, because the credits ingame are so easy to spend, because u can melt ships and buy others with store credits, etc. And also because all skins and so on, can also all of them be obteined ingame. In other worlds, in SC, every single item in the pledge store can already or will in the future be obteined playing ingame.
-SC is played by almost 60k players every day (with peaks to over 100k in weekends and events). People do not spend money for ilusions and dreams, people spend money for what the game has to offer right now.
thank you for taking your time for explaining this, citizen o7
lol 300 on war thunder? I WISH HHAHAHA i spent over 1k easy
Great breakdown! I feel like he would have benefitted greatly by having a regular SC player with him in discord, even watching him set quality to medium was painful to watch. I get it though, there's a lot of missing information or misleading information in the general public, "you need to spend thousands on ships, you need a $4k PC, vaporware, etc"..... I can't defend SC like some of the cultists, it's got its flaws for sure, but CIG hasen't gotten EVERYTHING wrong as some people think and the game has gotten far more playable over the past couple years.
They had spent over 400m by the end of 2020 according to their 2020 Financial Report. Taking into account 2021 and 3/4th of 2022. They might already have surpassed 500m in total spending( my estimate ~530m-550m). 500m raised in the website does not factor other income like subscription, merchandise, sponsorship and that 60m investment they took around 2018/19.
Ps: I think it's better to put the marketing budget as well to show their total spending
@@anshukandulna1844 I am going to update my numbers since they are from end of 2021. And what I get is:
-They spent in Marketing and Salaries, what is usually known as development costs, since 2012 to 2022 (yes, including an upwards projection of 2021 and 2022), around 520.760.000 USDs.
-That money includes salaries from people who is NOT a developer. However, we know the rate of Employee/dev in CIG. We can consider an average of 20%. This leads to 416.700.800 USDs spent in development.
-Now, that money is not part of the famous "500Ms, that includes investments received and "other" sources. Disregarding "other", they received a total of 63.2M USDs. If we consider 570.200.000 the total money they made as of 2022, we can say that they spent, in development, from the crowfund and "other", we get that they spent 328.974.315 USDs across Star Marine, Arena Commander, PU, TOW and SQ42, and others.
However to summarize, i said before "they spent 145M in their main two projects PU and SQ42" refering to my data as of 2021. I can update it now, they spent 165.000.000 for each SQ42 and PU. - this is still nothing.
btw the "ship for 80 crew" is the Javelin, not the Carrack (I think that's a crew of 6) that you saw (2h16 in). Besides, a lot is missing to make crews necessary to operate big ships: life support, power management, ship components tear & wear, fire propagation. Basically that'll give the Star Trek vibes they're after. A solo player will have a very hard time keeping a big ship working on their own.
More than a hard time, i would say it's will not be possible. Yeah, you could sorta fly the thing, but thats basically it.
At least you would have plenty of oxygen.
if a solo player takes a javalin, he will be boarded and bye bye javelin. Indeed, large ships can not be handled by small numbers of players for so many different reasons.
@@seveneternal7988 Yes, that's absolutely a good point. Besides the heavy lifting required to manage a capital ship solo, it'll be both cost prohibitive (fuel costs, repair, insurance) it's also the increased vulnerability to boarding, hacking etc.
@@r.daneel.90 Yes. One could try to hide in the black full of food and drinks, and use their cap ship as a giant (im)mobile house in space. Until the ship gets caught on someone's radar.
@@rhetor4mentor13 It is how the game will be balanced, most people will either play solo or with a group of friends, usually not more than 4-5 people. In those cases, ships like the Corsair, MSR or Constellation are perfect. It has enough space, is effective in an experienced crews hands and is efficent in regards to cost.
For those who like to run pro squads of up to dozens of players, we are talking 20-30 peope, capital ships make sense. A well experienced org could use a Kraken as a moving headquarters, dividing themselves into a crews for different task. In this way, a large ship can operate at 100% combat effectiveness and actually make money intead of loosing money.
Large ships will be balanced in that way.
Also insurence and reclaiming a large javelin should be up to 48 hours in my opinion. Players should not be able to just pull capital ships after theirs gets blown up within a day or two of waiting time.
That harbinger in game is about 2 mill in game. Maybe 20 hours grind from the ship you have if you do bunker missions. Compared to $290 in real life. Some ships are just worth getting in game
You can get 2 mil in 2-4 hours doing bunker missions or, completing the 9 Tails blockade event, running medical supplies through the blockade.
I enjoy watching new people learn the game. Subscribed for SC content.
As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
If you want to see some "overcomplicated" flying check out Avenger1's RUclips channel to get an idea of the standard of dogfighting in game.
Liberties Reapers are another to check out
Super impressed you took off with out crashing the first time
All new respectful points of view are always welcomed! I am sure you would get a more interesting opinion playing alone. Try also different missions, including the ones under "personal". Read the descriptions of them and do not see the money. Also keep in mind that some missions are unlocked only when u achieve certain reputations with the factions (u can see the reputation on the last tab of the mobiglass).
I would recommend u microtech for starting and testing the missions, its one of the best places with more missions unlocked without needing reputation.
seeing Luke start to get into the game as he kept going was a very satisfying feeling. always the best feeling to be surprised by a game (even though this isn't anywhere near a complete game)
The AI system you mentioned in 3:33:41 is actually being worked on by CIG its called QUANTA , it simulates economy ai and npc movement and actions and will soon be represented in game by actual NPCs when the technology is finished . For example a miner found a pocket of ore at a moon , now it gets flooded by miners wich then sends pirates to intercept those miners wich prompts security to patrol the area because of reports and you'll be able to see that process evolve in game , the building interior generator is also being worked on and it stemmed from the technology developed to make procedural caves and that tech keeps improving more and more as development continues meaning after all those tools and tech are done planets buildings systems and points of interest will be able to be generated and made quickly with high levels of detail and fidelity. It's really amazing unfortunately we don't get to see it's full potential until later as it's still being built but we've seen tastes of it here and there with the weekly show "Inside Star Citizen "
Ive been playing since 2016, and I love watching new players. It's always a flashback to see how much of a learning experience SC is since you get no help. Love all the Citizens in your chat telling you everything
Welcome to the verse! Subbed for future SC content
I started playing SC this year. I sued to play elite. I must say that I had way lower expectations based on what I heard about this game, and right now I have just ordered my new HOTAS to play it lol
You'd be better off with dual stick and pedals, or stick mouse and pedals
you CAN spend that much on Star Citizen, but you don't HAVE to. $45 is all you need to play.
If you get Voice Attack, this game is sooo much more fun!!!! i have 6 AI's for my voice attack so i can roleplay with my own ship as well... and control my targeting and missiles etc with voice commands
Would you share your profiles somewhere?
Welcome to the verse o7
the carrack also is $600... still like 400 to much lol but you can buy like 90%(around 120) other ships with in game money
and u can also rent them ingame even cheaper.
Stumbled across this video after the stream. I'm glad that you gave it a try! SC is definitely not for everyone: It has a frustrating learning curve, can be very buggy, and has a very slow development time. That being said, it's scope is pretty unique, the community is generally very friendly, and it ticks all the boxes for me, game-wise. It has the potential to be the metaverse I'd been hoping for since I first played Wing Commander back in the 90s. Hope to see you in the 'verse! O7
need to keep the graphics on high, turn the clouds off(or med) if you want the planet space stations to run better. The game will not use all of your gpu, Its CPU heavy. The 4 major space ports only expect to get around 35-50 fps. Out in space or other space stations/planets you should be getting around 60-90 fps. The game is still a broken mess but if your willing to learn it and deal/work around the know issues there is moments of wonder that no other game has done yet(in the space genre at least). Also it helps once you been to most places and build the cache up. At least it seems that way for me. Also it helps to watch a couple helpful tips vids on youtube
It should be using all of your gpu and a good chunk of your cpu, if it's not utilising all of your gpu, you have a bottleneck
@@UncleBenjs It'll be alleviated with Vulkan and Gen 12 implementation.
It sounds like you are too focused on the price of ships. You can buy them all in game, and once you know what you are doing you can earn 300-400k an hour.
As opposed to focusing on the money try make your streams a "zero to hero" type entertainment where you can show that doing this is possible.
Having said that you will probably get short circuited by people giving you money.
Also 3.18 is most likely a wipe due to the cargo refactor. That is when piracy will make big $$$!
Yeah, that's the inexperienced player bias in SC. Caring too much about real money, insurance, ship costs and assuming they're trying to steal your wallet at each step. The more you play, the more irrelevant all that becomes, you don't need to go through the Pledge Store more than 1 time, for your Starter pack.
Even SC fans poke fun at SC, it's just such a crazy game in all sorts of different ways.
You don't *have to* spend any real money on any of the ships.
Apart from the most recent ship which remains in the pledge store for a month or so, all ships can and should be bought in-game.
There isn't really anything to gain from buying them from the pledge store, it's recommended only if you want to support the development and maintenance of the game financially.
I did spend a bit extra in the pledge store though, so now I can keep exchanging ships for store credit to try other ships at no cost.
What is interesting about luke's playthru is he actually start alone. Most of new player joining this game will have a mentor or have watched guides on things.
“I don’t wanna get motion sickness” proceeds to change fov to 100°
Alot of what was made was used on Squadron 42 which is the single player game which is like Wing Commander, but that has also helped build the tech that can then be passed over from there into star citizen. now that Squadron 42 is now supposedly feature complete and is in polishing phase hopefully Star Citizen should be getting alot of these over the next few years.
2:46:00 For the curious: your ship's fuel indicator is on the RIGHT HUD SCREEN on this ship. It's actually split into components for hydrogen and oxygen, since it's a chemically fueled rocket you need an oxidizer (O2) and fuel (H2) that combine to produce thrust. At least that's what it looks like from here.
Saw this in my recommended because I'm looking to play this interesting game soon. Loved your livestream!
Do you find livestreaming here better than on Twitch?
Liked and Subscribed 😊
4:19:22
You can't unequip your current helmet because of the vacuum, same with your flight suit.
But you can equip or unequip any armor *around* that flight suit just fine.
4:20:51
Smaller things like ammo is likely *inside* his armor or backpack etc, so you have to search those.
3:11:30 Be careful, the last time a tiny ice moon became that popular, the Empire showed up with Star Destroyers and AT-ATs to lay the smack down. LOL
You can buy most ships in game, with in game money. So many ppl think omg i have to spend tons of money to play the game and in reality you can buy a $45 starter pack make your in game money and buy ships in game.
I'm still wondering why I nodded 'no' on 2h15m10, I was listening to the stream and there was a short delay, so it could be as answer to an earlier question or my reaction to VoIP not working. For the $600 price tag, I can provide some perspective on these prices: As SC being in development and ship stats in flux players can 'melt' (sell) their ships and buy with the store credit other ships. Included in the pledging system you can CCU to higher priced ships only paying the difference. To avoid players daily melting and buying ships most of the ship sales are limited in time. In the beginning some players have amassed a huge amount of CCU's in their buyback list in their accounts by rolling store credits and are able to sell ships on secondary market on reduced prices by chaining speculative CCU's, that utilize ship price increases on release. So, to counteract this CIG is using warbond CCU's, buy-back tokens, limited gift ability. As I understand these elevated prices are the result of his CCU gaming, aka it is baked into the cake. Give or take the benefits it looks to be a thing CIG is actually pursuing this (one thing indicates this is the sale of LTI tokes at or right before the anniversary sale), benefitting long-term players.
watching this makes me want to play mass effect again
FYI shader compiling halves FPS and creates stutter while it's happening. It takes 25 minutes with SATA SSD, 12-15 minutes with PCIe 3.0 nvme and 6-8 minutes on PCIe 4
When my org bought the Idris ($1250 when it came out) our members just donated ships and packages for me to turn to store credit. I think each person on average paid $50-ish. But you wouldn't want to do it this way if you just joined an org, it's more for established gaming guilds that already know and trust eachother. Later in the game when it's live you can simply rent ships like those from players as well as in the NPC economy with in-game currency
People don’t have your email, you have email notifications activated on the account settings for organisation invites.
Star Citizen? right, subscribed.
As a long term SC backer I am defo looking forward to playing Starfield… while I wait for SC to be finished 😂
EXACTLY
A lot of people misjudge what should be in SC already and how far they should be. What needs to be kept in mind was their need and desire to create the tech to run or make things that didn't exist or didn't fit. Right now the biggest is server meshing. Ifg you look into it - it should blow your mind, as well as the other tech they developed. Once server meshing and container streaming is good then a lot of other things can happen. Until server meshing - most of it cannot happen. So, improvements to AI, the addition of other systems and a ton of other things all hinge on proper server meshing. It should also make you excited for the potential for other future games as well once this tech is good to go. You can't look at SC like any other game, because it is not.
Respect to you for keeping an open mind while approaching SC. A lot of people do not.
2:16:00 it's kind of like Dungeons and Dragons. The way to do it is to get a "clan" of your friends together and pool your money to buy the ship bundle packs. You pick one person to manage the crew's fancy ships and equipment, but then while you're playing you all share. Just like in DnD you often will see groups pool their money and buy a bunch of stuff like NPC and monster mini figures and new adventure books and then the DM is responsible for managing it all.
There are orgs in the Star Citizen game that pool their money like often led by people with RUclips channels. You can also play the game solo it can be played like a single player game.
2:15:36
And that's actually a somewhat small ship.
The biggest ship you can see in the game is 1 km long (not player ownable though, it's the biggest human faction carrier, the Vanduul has a carrier that's 4 km I think?)
The one guy on the Carrack had a half-cape so I thought there's a chance it's Kobi. Totally was! Small Verse. 😁
They've spent most of it, and only started making any money maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Before it was all buying studios and growing, a lawsuit with Crytek, paying devs, actors (Mark Hammill, Gillian Anderson, Gary Oldman more pretty well known ones for the Single player game Squadron 42, paying mocap people, animators art folks, more studios more devs lol. As long as it's actually being worked on I'm fine. Been playing SC since 2019.
Ok, let's talk in-game currency... you could get about 400k/hour(I'm talking last update values as I haven't farmed that much in 3.17) by doing bounty missions(kinda changes every update so keep in mind this might be somewhat off), if you really get good at it and get the way of doing missions right you might get up to like 650k/hour consistently
So when you do the conversions between in-game and real money it shouldn't be a 1-to-1 comparison, pledging in the store it's never a "value" purchase, as most ships can be acquired in-game without much effort(compared to the hundreds of dollars to actually get it in the store) most ships can be bought with less than 10 hours of doing cargo runs or bounty hunting missions.
Before the last major update, for example, I had only the same starter pack as you, but I was able to earn in-game lots of different ships, including the big yacht(890 jump) just by playing the game
so you get an idea of how long it takes, it took me about 2 weeks in the holidays playing about 4 to 6 hours a day to get the most expensive ship in the game (890 jump)
That was one serious head injury you had there, I didn't know the 890j had beds advanced enough to mend that, you had both vision and hearing impairments.
By the way, the game is currently running on a gen 12 renderer and partially on DX11. The next big patch in 2 months or so is supposed to have the entire game run in the gen 12 renderer, at which point they want to start using Vulkan.
I'm so sad I wansn't part of this stream. But it was so fun watching this whole replay.
Any time there's an update that resets your character, the shaders and such load in when you first spawn. So, the lag in the beginning goes away, or is greatly reduced after you've run around a bit and is essentially a non-issue once you get in space.
As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
@@PuppetMasterdaath144 As a person that has followed the game since its kickstarter days, I get my kicks from watching new players scrambling to figure out how to play and being amazed by whats in it so far. Good job on the stream, its not easy to talk and keep people's attention for hours of game time.
On of the best things I can suggest new players is to join an organization with other players.
The game is 40$ less than what most people pay for stupid single-player games. You pay a value above that for you help the developers and have the ships without grinding. All the ships are and will be available to buy inside the game. Even the developers are very super clear that you are buying these expensive ships to support the development, why do people always start talking about SC by addressing this?... I expend 2k on the game but I did that because I really love the game, the project and want to support it... No one needs to expend more than 75 or 100$ on this game. You can easily farm any ship with just 1 month or less playing the game with some friends
I get the hate Star.Citizen gets...i was one of them until this past summer when i actually tried it out. Ive been gaming for decades, and this game has brought new experiences. It really is a game that has to be played to understand.
I also feel like the $500 million thing will take a different light as the years go by. Already it is said gta6 will cost 2 billion....and it's basically just a (presumably) better version of gta5. Star citizen will cost less then half that while truly trying to innovate.
People seem to take for granted how amazing it is to get inside a ship, leave a planet, go into space, and land on another planet...with 0 loading screens. I can only think of 1 other game that can do that, and it's been 10 years for them to finally achieve thier promise and vision.
3:34:13 LOL.. don't forget that other company ... CIG! Again; what you described is EXACTLY what they are trying to do, but procedurally. To add to that; they are nearly in the next phase of testing its new Persistence Entity Streaming tech, which is meant to remember the track the exact location of every entity/object ie Med Pen, Gun, Can Of Space Soda in the entire Verse. Attempting to replicate another aspect of the real universe; the fact that nothing is ever "destroyed", its just recycled. Think about the implications of that technology; true persistence of EVERYTHING in a 24/7 Open Universe Game Engine. What the fuck do you think that is? ITS A FUCKING META VERSE ENGINE!!! LOL.
If someone has the disposable income to spend a few thousand dollars on a game over the course of years is really their business. I spend 8k every year on golfing and that is a game too. I also have almost 1000 dollars into Star Citizen spent since 2017 and I will continue spending money on it until I get to about 3k. To me star citizen isn't just a game, rather, it is what I wanted a game to be since I played my first played Star Wars Jedi Outcast. So Chris Roberts dream for the game is in-line which what I want a game to be and this is probably the best chance at it given my age.
3:33:00 where you talk about the future of gaming; AI systems working with procedural generation engines to build living breathing cities, and that that is where game company's should be throwing their money. What game do you think you are playing? What do you think Star Citizen is? It IS a Metaverse engine they are building, and they ARE planning on building the AI to be living people that have schedules; ie go to work and go home on the very cities you were landing in and out. Right now all they do is stand on tables and couches!! LOL. But yea, CIG is REALLY a Metaverse Game Engine Developer and also the first to build the level of Procedural Generation tech that we've ever seen at this scale and fidelity! How the specific title of "Star Citizen" goes on official realease in about 10 years, who knows. What's MORE important is the first of its kind tech they are essentially R&D ing, and its EXACTLY the vision you have for the future of gaming! You're Playing it right now!! The irony was so thicc I had to comment :) .
Everyone should read your comments. My respects citizen.
Please don't call SC aMetaverse. Mark Zuckerberg and all the other dumb businessmen already ruined that word, it doesn't mean the same thing it did 5 years ago.
@@r.daneel.90 well whatever semantics you want to use; Oasis, Second Life VR but like in space, lol. It IS an engine that is trying to simulate all layers of 3d reality and persistence across vast swaths of space for thousands of real world players 24/7 365 open world engine.
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Unless he has been *convicted* it's ethically wrong to call him "the murderer", just so you know.
(And honestly given the state of the US justice system I'm also taking actual convictions there with a grain of salt)
44:09
*Thank* you for that bit.
This game honestly looks sick. Would love to play it
He seems to have dodged any major bugs. His performance is also really good he probably has a beefy rig.
If I were you I'd wait till the free fly event in November to try it out before you spend money on it. It might not run well or it just might not be a smooth enough experience for you due to your tastes.
The fans that love it right now are usually like DayZ fans, Tarkov etc, so they're more used to buggy early access games.
It's my favorite game by far but also it's not for everyone. This video was a great example of when it works. He was also really good at like reading instrumentation and not smacking into the planet five times trying to deliver that one box.
@@vorpalrobot the beefiest rig in the world apparently, streaming at 1080p60 AND playing the game at full 4K.
There will be a free fly period starting on the 18th along with the Intergalactic Aerospace Expo, basically a showcase of various ship manufacturers and their ships on specific days at an expo. Though I should note that during free fly's, since there is a lot of new traffic from others who also want to try out the game, server performance, and by extension your experience with the game, may be degraded. There is however a generous refund policy if you want to try it outside of the free fly.
If you jump into the game to try out stuff, don't be hesitant to ask in global chat about stuff or even for help.
I've seen plenty of streamers who wanted to get "the real experience without any help" and relegated themselves to not ask in chat for stuff, even though for the majority of players this would actually be their real experience: Stuff seems weird or something doesn't seem to work, ask in chat what's going on.
The community is generally extremely helpful since they know that there is a steep learning curve at the beginning (we've all been there after all) and they genuinly want newcommers to have a good time. Not everyone is as generous with their credits (there are people who don't grind their way to 6 million within 2 hours) and so you can encounter people telling you how to make money quickly rather than just sending you some, but that often happens when you're basically begging for money. No one likes the chat getting spammed with transfer requests. Other than that the community is overwhelmingly welcomming. Some will offer you ships to do missions in, some will offer you a job becomming their turret gunner, nearly everyone will gladly offer advice.
Also regarding the money they raised and spent: Don't forget that they are keeping a live service active during this development time. And those services went live pretty early on. Alpha 2.0 (Arena Commander and Star Marine modules from the main menu, basically the in-game dogfighting game and in-game FPS game, meaning that at some point it's planned that you will be able to sit down into a simulation seat within the PU and access those modules from within the main game) went live 2015. The Hangar module where you were able to look at your ships and configure them was available since 2013, so they had to spend money on servers not only to develop the game but also provide access to it from almost the beginning. There is a not insubstantial chunk of money going into the live service every year.
Great video! I think you gave it a really fair review.
Controversial funding model and early studio mistakes aside, you could probably at least understand why others might get so passionate about the game.
Definitely not enough content for it to be anyone's main game unless they are a VERY specific type of gamer.
Also they have one or two more major engine modifications on the way, so bugfixing current placeholder missions isn't a priority. It's more of a sandbox to screw around in with some simple delivery or courier missions, but often things will break.
You were actually extremely adept at picking up how the map attempts to work, as well as controlling your ship. I'm very impressed at your skills as a first timer.
But of a blessing and a curse being a streamer. Being given money robs the sense of accomplishment to grinding fur something in game imo.
Wipes happen with updates in the game technology. 3.18 will probably be a wipe because of the cargo refactor.
Star citizen content sure ill subscribe
4:46:19
I'm impressed.
Well done. =)
4:48:12
No, but the community is usually very helpful, and that's how *most* players learn most things.
4:53:09
To be honest, you where kind of lucky with that server, it's not top notch, but you had better servers and networking then average.
Sometimes you'll get a *lot* more issues.
But on the flip side there's also cases where it's better and the AI is actually shockingly good then.
On average it's *slightly* worse then this.
You missed the technical deck on the Carrack tho
This was a very pleasant first experience. Looking forward to the video when you've gathered your thoughts. I hope you will get on some podcasts with other RUclipsrs who've recently started up with SC. It's nice to hear fresh perspectives in discussions about this game.
Oh gosh, i can only imagine what is gonna happen in the next 5 hours :)
You *can* play the game fine with M+KB
HOTAS / HOSAS / HOSAM + GameGlass + Head Tracking are the best overall option, but that gets pricey fast. I'm at about $2k on peripherals at this point...
Also, you don't "have to spend real world money." You can buy the base $45 game package and then buy that Carrack with currency earned in-game. Pledges have some advantages (LTI and such) but are not at all required to get those ships.
And no, the Aurora is not that bad looking. It ain't my favorite, but it ain't "ugly."
Translating aUEC to "real dollars" is... not really possible. *Ships* have a real-world pledge-price, and you can kind-of-sort-of valuate based on that... but that varies wildly, the aUEC price does not directly or evenly correlate from ship to ship. And those that are handing out 5m of sugar in game are stupid deep in aUEC from playing and earning said aUEC.
And dude... mad props on that A2 landing in the hangar. Not quite perfect but most folks wind up all sorts of exploded on first try with something that big :D
your gonna need to revisit the game if you have look at all the stuff they/are going to drop on the star citizen yt page hand down ahead of everyone else
Put a C8R on the C2 if you really want a med bed
10:18
That sounds like a joke...
But the worst part is, I *genuinly* can't tell if it's real.
Edit: Good, I'm glad that it was.
You should at least play it a year or two before going tripple digit.
35:39
You *are* aware that you're soaking your brain in chemicals when playing games too, right?
They're specifically *designed* to trigger the production of certain chemicals in your brain and you can easily get in the same kind of trouble with that as with drugs.
40:23
There's a *lot* I'd like to say about that, but not in the middle of the night here...
Mate, you just have to re-apply borderless after switching resolutions.... Shouldn't have switched off very high graphics :/
First, you need to better multi task with the game and chat, they yelling at you stuff that are important to the moment nonstop, and you don't notice, also shame on them for not showing you the M.S.R. A.K.A. Millenium falcon with all hidden compartments and hidden smuggling areas and the Scorpius aka x wing. All in all good video, I hope you will continue playing.
F.Y.I., even if you are not planning on paying much for the game, at least shell out couple more bucks to start the game with the Titan, the best starter ship in the game and def worth the money if you keep playing.
"I SPENT MONEY TO BE THE BEST" Diablo Immortal guy. Y'know, when you PAY to WIN....it gets boring, cuz you're the best, and there's no Challenge XD
The game has decent enough content for the 45 $ you pay you'll be spending way more than 45 hours of engagement on it for that money tho and with 3 major updates a year each bringing massive new content even vet players have something to look forward to . The next major patch 3.18 brings OPTIMIZATION FINNALY along with a teir zero implementation of a long awated new profession called salvage . The game though flourishes with player organized events and creativity. From races spanning half a goddamn planet on little buggies to massive 50 vs 50 fleet battles and even multi combat operations with troops on the ground and in the air it makes for very interesting and wild gamplay. And not just pvp but mass mining events with pvp players protecting them against pirates out for their hard earned gems the game gains depth and with each update that deepens and gets more refined. I hope you stick around and watch it evolve from here they'll try what no one else has simply cuz they can because they have us crazy backers , and while some see that as never ending creep I see it as infinite innovation and never ending new content. As long as in the next year the game is a little more optimized I'm happy seeing how far they get to go
3:50:33
Guess you're locked into doing trading now then.
I believe that the economy is a little broken in this patch, but it'll be good in the next one.
You can *still* make a profit with it, it's just not as good a return on investment as other gameplay loops as they went a bit to far with nerfing it from being *way* overpowered in previous patches.
Trading is getting a major overhaul in the next few patches.
3:51:48
Honestly, 5 million aUEC is actually quite common gift for a *new* non-streamer player close to a wipe like this.
Some streamers have been given 30+ million aUEC in the *middle* of a patch out of nowhere.
That's *not* something regular players can expect.
I would also suggest making your face cam a bit smaller. Maybe top right?
My laptop is about 4 years old and the game runs fine for me must be lucky lol.
Thank you for giving the game a fair shake, Luke. I enjoyed your stream!
Thought this game was an incredible concept for years so I finally bought it last week and can confirm it’s completely broken in its current state. I don’t see myself returning until they implement and polish the beta version of the game w server meshing and pyro. Super disappointed tho bc I spent 90% of my time going to missions and not being able to finish them due to session breaking bugs
Love watching new people playing
Star citizen is taking so long because its making the Same AI procedural generation tools you said Rockstar should be making and they've bin on it for YEARS star citizen is playing the long run
This has me most excited for the project, but it's hard to explain without looking like the "pepe sylvia" scene
WELCOME TO THE VERSE! My handle is Snoopreme_Chancelore. The Carrack is really about $600 irl money, but there are ways to buy ships with real money and not spend that amount. You may be able to get it for half the price by doing CCUs, which are trade ups. YOu also can purchase it in game for 26.6mil UEC. I have one, but it isnt easy to drive because it steers like a cargo ship. Your better off getting a C2 which carries more and flys a lot easier. You pretty much can buy any ship in game for UEC. BTW starting on the 18th there is a fly free for 12 days along with the ship expo. It's pretty epic. I've been playing since 2015.
Lmao i love how people compare this to Starfield as if Starfield was not made in like a century years old engine, like srsly Bethesda pls retire that poor engine
Damn you Sony, this is what you had to play.
Keep playing this game great things are coming, and stay in contact with zensin he knows some good players ;)
Glad you enjoyed it! Would love to see you have another go once 3.18 comes out, which will add some very important back end tech (persistant entity streaming and salvage), though I expect these new things to bring a lot of teething problems too, same goes for 4.0 which will add the single most important tech for the game - server meshing. 4.0 will also add a new (and absolutely huge) star system, Pyro. It will be a very different system to Stanton, more of a 'no mans land', a wild west of space.
THis massive emersive world is very empty.
No truer words were spoken about this game.
It's space bro 😓
It get surprisingly busy when you cruising around with a level 5 crimestat and peeps want your bounty.
@@citizenzero5437 haha very true!
Cool
Lol I have been playing since launch. I didn't know that domestic/interplanetary area exixted.
It's for the upcoming passenger game loops.
@@billywashere6965 upcoming is a stretch
@@vorpalrobot Maybe, but they've already begun work on the Spirit, and they've been mentioning structuring the AI for passenger loops in the last two monthly reports.
@@billywashere6965 I wouldn't expect it as a feature until after you've seen it for a few months on ISC. I expect it within a year, but I wouldn't estimate it before next summer.
@@vorpalrobot Depending on how things go with 3.18 and 3.19, summer of 2023 might be 4.0? That seems like a reasonable estimation for the passenger loops.
I feel like he’s played the game before and is just acting like this is the first time… I could be crazy but… my gut is telling me he’s played before.
Great video, thanks !
Forgive technical issues after ten years of development?
alpha 3.0, everyone you saw in the video, arrived in late 2017. 2022 - 2017 = 5
Just to add some context for people wondering why it's taken ten years and how they've amassed $500 million in crowdfunding:
The reason it's taken so long is because there were no engines or middleware suites available at scale for the project, so CIG had to build a lot of it from scratch. They started with the CryEngine 3 for its global illumination and procedural IK which cut out a lot of dev time. However, they still had to gut the engine and convert it to a 64-bit floating point processing environment for the advanced entity placements within the physics grids in real-time, as well as making a seamless universe with no loading screens after the initial load.
They needed to build out four pieces of middleware to make Star Citizen functional. Planet Tech, Object Container Streaming, Persistent Entity Streaming and Dynamic Server Meshing. They finished the core Planet Tech, and Object Container Streaming. Players are currently testing Persistent Entity Streaming, which is a required prerequisite for dynamic server meshing. They finished the core tech for static server meshing, and it's expected to arrive in the patch after 3.18 (which contains salvage and PES). Once server meshing is brought online, they can then start bringing the handful of other star systems online and flyable capital ships, starting with Pyro. Basically, the actual gameplay development is just really getting underway and you'll start to see a lot more of it come online with 4.0, now that most of the tech hurdles are done.
Active development of both projects began in 2015
It's only been 7 years
@@uncannyvalley2350 That's true.
@@billywashere6965 as was everything you said 🖖
To be clear, they mismanaged the earlier years. They got way more money than they planned, and also ending up setting up some lofty goals.
They attempted to fix these two issues by outsourcing a bunch of work. As you can tell the game is very complicated, so it just didn't work. They then had to spend time and money bringing all that stuff back in-house, losing a lot of earlier work and also the effort needed to build up teams and pipelines.
They've gotten much better at it but I almost completely write off anything before 2015. 2016-2019 they did better but still had issues in terms of promises and deadlines.
Since then they've gotten so much better. I wouldn't say faster so much as honest. I don't mean that in a personal way, it's a corporation and they're not gonna tell everything.
Honest in terms of them cutting the long term roadmap. They should have known better than to try and predict that far. They've also gotten more honest with dev updates. They used to show R+D stuff that they hinted was on the way that's still not in 4 years later. Now they just show stuff actively being worked on and in the game within 6 months.
They used to feed off fan hype by saving surprises for events, with big reveals of new stuff. Now we get to hear about every little thing they work on every month, and the fans know exactly what to expect. In the past you might hype yourself up that they might release an older popular concept ship into the game for a holiday event or something, but now we know if it doesn't show up on the reports to not expect it.
@@vorpalrobot they did not mismanage and if u think so is because u are misinformed. In the early days they spent every single euro they received in growing faster. At a point they had more than 6 different outsourced studios working for SC to make it faster. The only thing that changed here is that the community decided to push them to a more wider project. This is not mismanagement, this is adapting.
Relating to deadline, this also a big part of misinformation. Most, if not all, of the "deadlines" (they only had like 2-3 deadlines) that were not kept, the reasons were explained in its context and it was always supported, understood and well received by the community. Those "missed deadlines" were deadlines to do a different game than the one that the community wanted. They didnt kept this deadlines because they were from another different project that what the community wanted.
Maybe get a better pc and separate streaming pc. That loading breaks also the viewers brain.
just thumbed up for winnie the pooh!
Disable E-Cores and you are good to go
1:25:15 time where he actually starts the game
my guy is a streamer and his main monitor is 4k. lmao ok
You should of waited two more weeks haha one of the biggest QOL patches is coming
Many new large content creatings getting interest in sc lately..
I've been with SC for 10 years and also happen to have been a developer across 4 games in my career over that time. There's a lot of SC's development that people just do not understand. I wish I could spend time with new players talking to them and showing them through the game and explaining why it's taken so long.
yea its why the hate wagon has a elephant in the room that gets overlooked, the fact those with dev experience who are well informed on CIG, basically side with CIG and not the hate wagon, but even then its not rocket science, i mean most folks cant even take the time to use calculator to do some basic maths of how much a game costs to make, there are reasons most AAA refuse to give financials on specific costs for their games and instead roll those expenses into a general operating costs so a give ofhand dev cost is taken at face value designed to downplay how much they cost to make as investors are highly fickle things,.
if u know the active dev count per year, just times it by the average wage and = ur already got a base value on wages alone that is the same or greater then general estimates given for most AAA games, that doesnt have legal, insurance or facility operating/maintenance costs or marketing which typically scales up with the wage expense to being the same value up to double...
with that in mind 500million for 10 years is looking well below industry levels for such a game were they would probably spend easily over 1 billion by this point to have replicated the same work, obviously why despite all this time, nobody wants to give a go.
but thats just example of consumer ignorance and why when they cite the most expensive games ever made... crickets sounds in agreement can be heard from over in the dev corner,... again the elephant in the room those who hate ignore, because the majority of folks who do the work dont agree with their opinion.
CIG aint perfect, but compared AAA they have raised the bar on what can be done, should be done and how it should be done as well, with only a few points were id say otherwise and the time to develop is not one them, because from experience they are actually breaking records vs what other AAA can do within same manpower and budget, so sure it would be nice if day 1 they had a pre-established AAA studio with 1000+ staff ready to go and a secure annual budget, but thats the con of this kind development, but as it goes i think the pro's far surpass the cons, when u can get it to work as CIG have done...
unfortunately its a magnet scammers as well... but looking AAA these days... there basically just putting a spit shine on a turd anyways and releasing it with a AAA badge, if thats not scam i dont know what is.
The ability to understand how intuitive this game could be is an indication of superior intellect.