Films like this bring a tear to my eye. It is so very fitting that they wrote this recruits grand elder into the story. The emphasis put on this young man's respect to his family and especially grandfather is what keeps such inspiring tradition alive. The script mirrored perfectly my own experience into the military as I was in constant touch by phone and letter with my veteran elders whom were so instrumental in raising me.
I truly thank PeriscopeFilm organization for preserving and making these videos available. As a 28-year career Naval Officer, films as this one represent the code of conduct and honor we learned to live by. It means a lot to me and fellow Veterans. All my gratitude and Peace be with you all for preserving our military heritage. Ciao, L Captain USN (Retired).
@@PeriscopeFilm Hi PF Team, you are welcome. It is people like you that makes it worthwhile, shows the YT community how hard it can be, and also explains what it is/was all about without the "fluff" of Hollywood. Thank you again, Ciao, L
I was at Fort Bliss visiting my son and when revelry was sounded the whole base came to a halt. Joggers, cars, everyone stopped and saluted. I being a civilian stood, faced the flag and put my hand over my heart. Gave me goosebumps
If you are wondering why a major general is ranked below a lieutenant general, it's because the original title of a major general was "sergeant major general". Over time, the sergeant part of the title was dropped.
Isn't it rather that 'lieutenant' before another rank denotes it is just below it? Like lieutenant colonel is the colonel's lieutenant. Also, the rank below lieutenant colonel is major, so that might have something to do with it.
While going through USAF basic training back in the 1980s, my training flight had difficulty in getting the military salute down pat, so I was given the “job” of teaching the rest of the unit proper saluting techniques. By the time I finished, every one of the 31 of us could salute perfectly. I believe the training served us well throughout our military careers. It certainly did for me.
I just thought of comedian robin Williams when he was on a uso tour and the evening retreat was sounded everyone snapped away from him and saluted. It took him s split second to realise what was happening and he stopped speaking. He got a lot of material based on what was coming when everyone turns and looks in the opposite direction.
Today, You don't have to step outside your car during retreat on any base. Veterans can now salute the flag whenever it's presented. God Bliss Our Troops. Good video.
In An army post I believe you still have to step out of your car to salute during retreat. On an Air Force or space force space you remain in your car, but you must stop your car.
Can't count the number of times I performed Retreat and the lowering of the Colors in my 27 year career, as an Air Policeman, then Security Policeman. When we worked Base Gates, we would stop all traffic in or out of the Gates, once we heard the Music "Call to the Colors" start.
Same was true on a Navy base. All traffic stopped, all walking stopped, all talking stopped, and even if you were a civilian you faced toward where the base flag was and gave the proper respect that the flag is due. And the interesting thing shown here was it was a 48 star flag. The same flag I was born under and actually carried into a Boy Scout Jamboree in 1966 because even though 50 star flags were proper, many 48 star ones had a history behind them and so were still used overseas. In my case, Japan. I own a 48 star flag and it was first flown on the flag pole that use to be at the Winter White House at Key West after it was relocated to former NAS Richmond.
Very informative video about military courtesy and bearing. If there were any discrepancy, it was near the beginning. When the Sgt. failed to call the troops to attention before dismissing them. In my experience, we were called to attention from the position or at ease or at rest. At that point, the order for dismissal was stated. One other thing, that was not mentioned, is that in a combat situation and in the field, officers were never saluted so as not to identify that an officer was present, to prevent them from being targeted by an enemy sniper. You would verbally acknowledge them by calling them sir/ma'am.
I'm guessing that this film covered the training received pre-war/early war, before they discovered the threat that snipers posed to officers in forward combat.
One thing not mentioned is once a particular officer is saluted and remains in the area it's not necessary to salute him (or her) again. At least that's how it was when I was in the Marines back in the 1970s.
wow speaking as an army vet myself i learned things i never even knew but i'll openly admit i forgot many rules lol and that being said many of the ranks in the vid hav changed today and overall the army is shifting away from this kind of training a little and focusing more on combat training
Makes sense. back then in the draft days it seems a lot of emphasis is on social engineering people to believe the army is the best option for them and to accept the structure of rank as it is, but in retrospect, it really comes across as "I'm the boss, so you have to do what I say" which wouldn't fly in today's volunteer based system. Especially knowing what we know about how higher ranks often meant taking credit for other people being fodder. Fortunately now a days soldiers of all ranks are treated with more dignity. Yes the heirarchy still should be respected as those who've been through it all know more than those who don't, but no more of that "He's your boss, so he has every right to treat you like cannon fodder". stuff I see hinted at in these older films....or at least I hope you're not being treated THAT badly. Course that could also just be hollywood talking out thier tails and the real army was a lot more respectful.
As a rule in the Army they don't. When you reach general officer rank you lose your Military Occupational Specialty (MOS, reflected in branch insignia) and your MOS from then on is "general officer." However at the time (WW2) US Army generals had the option of designing their own uniforms so if that MG wanted to wear Signal Corps insiginia he was within his rights to do so, especially if he came up through the Signal Corps. I don't know if US Army generals still have the design your own uniform priviledge today.
Depends on the officer. The only officer I met who insisted on a salute in the field was a LTC who was not liked or respected. Every other officer in my career did not want salutes in any field situation.
Yes, although per 1941 edition of The Soldier’s Handbook (FM 21-100) the only difference between the “At Ease” and “Rest” positions is that at “At Ease” you must remain silent.
@@americanmilitiaman88 I did one enlistment in the Navy, airdale. When I was getting short I was in a work situation where a WO was supervising. First time I’d ever seen one and didn’t know if I was supposed to salute, say sir, mister, chief or what. Lol!
Warrant officers were pretty common when I was in the Marines in the 1970s. As it was explained to us at the time the Corps was limited in how many commissioned line officers (typically company grade) it could have but still had billets that needed an officer to command same. The warrant officer was a way around the limitation. WO's were also specialists in particular MOS's, typically technical. WO's were also given the same military courtesies that regular officers recieved.
Back in the 1970s in the u.s. army I was in a radar section in West Germany 🇩🇪 ,a W.O. was in charge of our radar section, but when I was in airborne infantry, I don't recall seeing a W.O. in our whole battalion 🤔 now that I think about it, I think w.o. were mostly around technical equipment. Who knows, I never really thought about it until now 🤷 🇺🇲🪖🪂 Geronimo ! i ETS's in 1984
I can answer that question….. the overall commanding General of an army was once referred to as the (Captain) General…. His second in command as lieutenant (to the) general. Below that and above a brigadier general who would command the left flank right flank or reserve is the (sergeant) major general who would command the center. All words in ( ) have been eliminated over time, especially when combat stopped being done in traditional formations
21:50 Grandpa quizzing the kid about the National Anthem seems odd considering Gramps military background dates back to the Spanish American War when the United States had no National Anthem; the Star Spangled Banner not being made official until 1931.
The Army adapted the "Star Spangled Banner" to be used as the unofficial national anthem in 1892. The Navy in 1899. There were also several other songs that was used like "Hail, Columbia", "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" and "America the Beautiful"
@@jasonm949 You just censured a man for disrespect by yourself disrespecting Jesus in the crudest manner. That is called hypocrisy and frankly your attitude is many orders of dreadful worse than his questioning one. Well done for being a jackass. 'Treason'? That is you. He was merely asking a factual question. You and 'Model Man' (arrogant sounding idiot) are a shame to true US values. The US was born out of rebellion against unquestioning tyranny (monarchy) and with respect for the citizen and his rights first as indicated in our history and the Constitution. It is not the symbol in itself that matters but what IT REPRESENTS!
The military salute is a sign of respect between military personnel. In the Middle Ages, knights opened their visors to show their faces to each other. Knights used their right hand to show they weren't hiding a weapon beneath their cape. Over time this gesture evolved and became a sign of respect in the military.
Question from a civilian: when he says that NCOs are not entitled to the salute, does that mean you are not _allowed_ to salute them? This would seem strange to me because if the salute is a sign of respect, it seems that every man should be able to choose who he shows that respect to. I understand that there are conventions for who you _must_ salute, but why can't you salute others as desired?
This was made before the 5 star rank was introduced. it’s now optional to salute someone in civilian tire- in fact, it’s not usually encouraged. Some of these rules in the movie have changed…
@@imadeanaccounttocomment7800Last I checked. In fact, I have seen that particular quirk of address in some foreign armies-even using the local language equivalents-as well. I would have to do some research to see what the common heritage there is, although I suspect it's inherited from British practice. (In modern British practice, enlisted address warrants as Sir/Ma'am, but commissioned officers address warrants as Mister/Mrs/Ms. We may have simply dropped the former.)
That was a W moment for the grandpa. Plus it takes a second at most to salute, Not at all worth arguing about, and I really loved his "If you deserve a handshake, I at least deserve a salute!" and his "Courtesy is still courtesy and discipline is still discipline!" AMEN!
US Army ranks include some we dont have in British Army- one being the rank called Specialist. Also Private E-4 (and other numbers). Is there a qualified person who can explain these two rank structures? Thanks in advance
Her accent is called the Transatlantic. Early on with sound motion pictures, studios thought it would appeal to both UK and American audiences. Not quite Brit, or American. Always sounded pretentious.
When I went home from Marine Corps boot camp, I grabbed one of my civilian pals and we drove onto nearby Ft. Ord (then a Central Cali Army base, now eliminated). Waved on in by sentries (mid-70's security non-existent), we cruised out to the enlisted training areas. I eventually killed my lights, lowered my window and began bellowing: "Sergeant of the Guard, Post Number Five, Post Number Five!" Nearly pissing ourselves with stifled laughter we then waited in the pitch dark and began to hear the various men on guard at their respective posts, who all began yelling what I had, summoning the Sergeant running the night guard to Post Number Five, for reasons unknown. We then saw shadowy figures of Army recruits, legs wildly illuminated by the cheap flashlights they carried, who appeared to be nervously readying themselves for the action they anticipated was soon to come. We drove a few hundred yards, lights still out, and I repeated my call, except I changed the post numbers. And so it went -- wash, rinse, repeat! Then I began blowing a little nickel coaches' whistle I'd brought for extra effect. Soon we heard other whistles being blown by Army sentries and mobile superiors.I guessed. We watched the fun as those guys recreated the troopers' reaction to invaders unknown during the Tet offensive years before. Then, I quietly increased my speed, pulled onto a main road and we made our escape, speeding up with headlights on, back to a side gate and off post. We were passed head on by several jeeps and MP squad cars going toward where we'd been. This was a stunt I never pulled anywhere again. Today we probably would have been shot up as "terrorists" by lunatic soldiers with automatic rifles, saving the Union from the latest incarnation of the January 6 "insurrection". Yeah. It was better back then, during times in American history most insecure.
Semper Fi Marine! When I was driving home from 29 Palms in Califonia I stopped in at the Air Force Academy to visit my brother who was a cadet there. I didn't do anything outrageous like you did but man did I put on a show in my Marine officer's Dress Blues! A one-man parade through the whole campus!
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The rank of General of the Army with 5 star insignia was created December 1944. Officers in this film are wearing Sam Browne belts that were eliminated as a uniform accessory in 1941. That would date this film as 1941 or prior.
@@mattanjohnsonjohnson2396 And the main reason Ike got his fifth star was the British had promoted Montgomery to field marshal, the equivalent to an American five star general. A field marshal couldn't be subordinate to an American four star general, awkward wouldn't begin to desribe it!
@darkwood777 The thing is if you recognize the individual as one of your officers you render a salute. If he's outside your chain of command and you have no idea who he is no salute is required. Nor should that officer in civilian clothing expect one.
I don't know what is going on, but there is far less respect for the Flag these days. Flown dirty, flown torn, flown not fully mast, flown in the dark without spotlight, flown in bad weather when it is not an all-weather flag or FAR WORSE. And no one salutes it?!
Thank you for posting this. It bothers me a lot to see how the flag is treated these days. I once went in a McDonald's and insisted they either take down or repair their Flag which was hanging on by the bottom eyelet. I was pleasantly surprised when the manager sent someone outside to bring the flag in. The next day it was flying again, properly secured. On the other hand, the number of tattered flags flying day and night in my own neighborhood is enough to make you weep.
According to the American Legion website, as long as there is enough ambient light to be able to recognize the U.S. flag when viewed from the street or side walk then no additional lighting is required.
These films are fun. You often see accomplished actors among the cast - here George Montgomery as a PFC explaining officer ranks. RE saluting - both giving and receiving a salute is a military honor. A civilian should never salute, and a salute from a civilian is an offense against custom. This includes the President, who although he is commander in chief, is yet a civilian and not allowed to salute, and should never return a salute. The idea that the CinC is a civilian and not a service member is profoundly tied to the origins of our country and its most profound idea - that civilians are in charge and that standing armies are yet under civilian control. When I see the President give or return a salute, I wince.
Genuine courtesy. No more hearing grown ups tell people "YOU NEED to be respectful, you little sh*t" while not showing an ounce of respect themselves. A lot of these films and movies make it seem like if you're an older man, you get a free pass on treating people right, and that's probably why everyone's such a problem now a days.
This shows clearly how today’s daily episode of Divide and Conquer has left us with an inability to come together to accomplish anything, much less defend against a common enemy. Heck, we probably couldn’t even agree on the enemy. All by design. Sad.
you salute officers out of uniform if you recognize them, and you can wear a cover indoors if you're armed and gramps carries a .44 caliber so stfu, maggot.
XD Call me new age, or whatever, but for some reason the "rifle salute" where the guy raises his hand flat across his chest looks like an offensive gesture. like it So looks like he's saying "drop dead". I feel like there's a better way to salute with a long weapon, like the sentry's salute where he holds the gun vertically.
Calling it courtesy when you can be disciplined for not saluting isn't courtesy at all, it's simply obeying instruction. Sir is a derivative of the word sire meaning father, and unless the officer just happens to be you father you shouldn't use it, you should address the superior by their rank. Also the US Government should do women the courtesy of including them in conscription legislation, to give them the equality they say they aren't getting.
"Sir is a derivative of the word sire meaning father, and unless the officer just happens to be you father you shouldn't use it, you should address the superior by their rank." Sire was also used to denote respect. It's used everyday to denote simple respect, so that's silly. It's military courtesy. Putting "military" in front of a word often turns it into an oxymoron.
@@mxferro NOBODY in the USA is mandated into service. Women, men, they, doesn't matter. Makes me figure that this is why wannabe soldiers end up engaging in insurrection and sedition while thinking it is patriotism.
Not too hard to understand. Discipline is the heart and soul of an army. It makes the small and weak into a powerful force that are a challenge to defeat.
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Films like this bring a tear to my eye. It is so very fitting that they wrote this recruits grand elder into the story. The emphasis put on this young man's respect to his family and especially grandfather is what keeps such inspiring tradition alive. The script mirrored perfectly my own experience into the military as I was in constant touch by phone and letter with my veteran elders whom were so instrumental in raising me.
I truly thank PeriscopeFilm organization for preserving and making these videos available. As a 28-year career Naval Officer, films as this one represent the code of conduct and honor we learned to live by. It means a lot to me and fellow Veterans. All my gratitude and Peace be with you all for preserving our military heritage. Ciao, L Captain USN (Retired).
Thanks for your service to our great nation.
@@PeriscopeFilm Hi PF Team, you are welcome. It is people like you that makes it worthwhile, shows the YT community how hard it can be, and also explains what it is/was all about without the "fluff" of Hollywood. Thank you again, Ciao, L
I was at Fort Bliss visiting my son and when revelry was sounded the whole base came to a halt. Joggers, cars, everyone stopped and saluted. I being a civilian stood, faced the flag and put my hand over my heart. Gave me goosebumps
That's every day on a military installation.
@@chadking6048 I know, it wasn't everyday for me, which is why it gave me chills. I suppose if you do it daily you lose the awe of the ceremony.
I love old America so much!!!
If you are wondering why a major general is ranked below a lieutenant general, it's because the original title of a major general was "sergeant major general". Over time, the sergeant part of the title was dropped.
Yes, yes, he is a Major General!
The title is irrelevant. It’s chain of command. Without a line of succession, there is no command structure.
Isn't it rather that 'lieutenant' before another rank denotes it is just below it? Like lieutenant colonel is the colonel's lieutenant. Also, the rank below lieutenant colonel is major, so that might have something to do with it.
And “general” was formerly called “captain-general” until the prefix was dropped.
No don't care.
While going through USAF basic training back in the 1980s, my training flight had difficulty in getting the military salute down pat, so I was given the “job” of teaching the rest of the unit proper saluting techniques. By the time I finished, every one of the 31 of us could salute perfectly. I believe the training served us well throughout our military careers. It certainly did for me.
Typical Air Farce......proud that 31 airmen successfully mastered the most basic military courtesy.
The grandfather is actor Charley Grapewin, best remembered as Judy Garland's Uncle Henry in "The Wizard of Oz."
That's Charlie Grapewin as Grandpa. Was in Grapes of Wrath as Grandpa. Excellent actor!
Enjoyed this film.
Good eyes! I missed that.
Also played Dorothy’s Uncle Henry.
I just thought of comedian robin Williams when he was on a uso tour and the evening retreat was sounded everyone snapped away from him and saluted. It took him s split second to realise what was happening and he stopped speaking. He got a lot of material based on what was coming when everyone turns and looks in the opposite direction.
Should you need your lieutenant eliminated, salute him in the combat zone (for the snipers).
I’ve heard of that happening
Exactly why we seldom saluted in Nam.
We called that a "sniper check"
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Today, You don't have to step outside your car during retreat on any base. Veterans can now salute the flag whenever it's presented. God Bliss Our Troops. Good video.
In An army post I believe you still have to step out of your car to salute during retreat. On an Air Force or space force space you remain in your car, but you must stop your car.
Can't count the number of times I performed Retreat and the lowering of the Colors in my 27 year career, as an Air Policeman, then Security Policeman. When we worked Base Gates, we would stop all traffic in or out of the Gates, once we heard the Music "Call to the Colors" start.
Same was true on a Navy base. All traffic stopped, all walking stopped, all talking stopped, and even if you were a civilian you faced toward where the base flag was and gave the proper respect that the flag is due.
And the interesting thing shown here was it was a 48 star flag. The same flag I was born under and actually carried into a Boy Scout Jamboree in 1966 because even though 50 star flags were proper, many 48 star ones had a history behind them and so were still used overseas. In my case, Japan. I own a 48 star flag and it was first flown on the flag pole that use to be at the Winter White House at Key West after it was relocated to former NAS Richmond.
Very informative video about military courtesy and bearing. If there were any discrepancy, it was near the beginning. When the Sgt. failed to call the troops to attention before dismissing them. In my experience, we were called to attention from the position or at ease or at rest. At that point, the order for dismissal was stated. One other thing, that was not mentioned, is that in a combat situation and in the field, officers were never saluted so as not to identify that an officer was present, to prevent them from being targeted by an enemy sniper. You would verbally acknowledge them by calling them sir/ma'am.
I'm guessing that this film covered the training received pre-war/early war, before they discovered the threat that snipers posed to officers in forward combat.
One thing not mentioned is once a particular officer is saluted and remains in the area it's not necessary to salute him (or her) again. At least that's how it was when I was in the Marines back in the 1970s.
@@davidmarquardt9034 I didn't see a date for the film but it is pre-1958. Because in 1958 the new rank of Sergeant Major came about.
wow speaking as an army vet myself i learned things i never even knew but i'll openly admit i forgot many rules lol
and that being said many of the ranks in the vid hav changed today and overall the army is shifting away from this kind of training a little and focusing more on combat training
Makes sense. back then in the draft days it seems a lot of emphasis is on social engineering people to believe the army is the best option for them and to accept the structure of rank as it is, but in retrospect, it really comes across as "I'm the boss, so you have to do what I say" which wouldn't fly in today's volunteer based system. Especially knowing what we know about how higher ranks often meant taking credit for other people being fodder. Fortunately now a days soldiers of all ranks are treated with more dignity. Yes the heirarchy still should be respected as those who've been through it all know more than those who don't, but no more of that "He's your boss, so he has every right to treat you like cannon fodder". stuff I see hinted at in these older films....or at least I hope you're not being treated THAT badly. Course that could also just be hollywood talking out thier tails and the real army was a lot more respectful.
At Knox I learned you don't stand retreat while cleaning the inside of a dumpster.
I enlisted in the ‘70’s, we gave a verbal greeting as well
"All the Way, Sir."
11:37 That MG is wearing signal corps branch insignia, but isn't that unusual? I thought generals didn't wear branch insignia as a rule.
As a rule in the Army they don't. When you reach general officer rank you lose your Military Occupational Specialty (MOS, reflected in branch insignia) and your MOS from then on is "general officer." However at the time (WW2) US Army generals had the option of designing their own uniforms so if that MG wanted to wear Signal Corps insiginia he was within his rights to do so, especially if he came up through the Signal Corps.
I don't know if US Army generals still have the design your own uniform priviledge today.
Boy has the military changed today,,
Is is true that salutes are forbidden in a combat zone when in view of the enemy? You always see that in movies.
Depends on the officer. The only officer I met who insisted on a salute in the field was a LTC who was not liked or respected. Every other officer in my career did not want salutes in any field situation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't crossed arms At Ease kinda reek of discourteousness?
Yes, although per 1941 edition of The Soldier’s Handbook (FM 21-100) the only difference between the “At Ease” and “Rest” positions is that at “At Ease” you must remain silent.
10:13 The only time in the soldier's enlistment that he'll see a WO!
I have seen 1 Warrant Officer in my 6 years as a Navy Seabee. He was our OIC for our detachment
@@americanmilitiaman88 I did one enlistment in the Navy, airdale. When I was getting short I was in a work situation where a WO was supervising. First time I’d ever seen one and didn’t know if I was supposed to salute, say sir, mister, chief or what. Lol!
Warrant officers were pretty common when I was in the Marines in the 1970s. As it was explained to us at the time the Corps was limited in how many commissioned line officers (typically company grade) it could have but still had billets that needed an officer to command same. The warrant officer was a way around the limitation.
WO's were also specialists in particular MOS's, typically technical. WO's were also given the same military courtesies that regular officers recieved.
Back in the 1970s in the u.s. army I was in a radar section in West Germany 🇩🇪 ,a W.O. was in charge of our radar section, but when I was in airborne infantry, I don't recall seeing a W.O. in our whole battalion 🤔 now that I think about it, I think w.o. were mostly around technical equipment. Who knows, I never really thought about it until now 🤷 🇺🇲🪖🪂 Geronimo ! i ETS's in 1984
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Where can I find more videos about discipline?
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This film was made during WW2?
I’m surprised the E-2 didn’t ask why the lieutenant general is a higher rank than the major general.
I can answer that question….. the overall commanding General of an army was once referred to as the (Captain) General…. His second in command as lieutenant (to the) general.
Below that and above a brigadier general who would command the left flank right flank or reserve is the (sergeant) major general who would command the center.
All words in ( ) have been eliminated over time, especially when combat stopped being done in traditional formations
Only thing that has changed is the rank structure. As for flag etiquette and customs and courtesies. Nothing has changed but the enforcing of it.
21:50 Grandpa quizzing the kid about the National Anthem seems odd considering Gramps military background dates back to the Spanish American War when the United States had no National Anthem; the Star Spangled Banner not being made official until 1931.
kristov29 Ok so that’s a poor excuse to get out of respecting our country.
The Army adapted the "Star Spangled Banner" to be used as the unofficial national anthem in 1892. The Navy in 1899. There were also several other songs that was used like "Hail, Columbia", "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" and "America the Beautiful"
kristov29 Hey...don't be using crazy Commie talk around here! This is America and you can take your treason talk and go kiss baby Jesus' butt!
@@jasonm949 You just censured a man for disrespect by yourself disrespecting Jesus in the crudest manner. That is called hypocrisy and frankly your attitude is many orders of dreadful worse than his questioning one. Well done for being a jackass. 'Treason'? That is you. He was merely asking a factual question. You and 'Model Man' (arrogant sounding idiot) are a shame to true US values. The US was born out of rebellion against unquestioning tyranny (monarchy) and with respect for the citizen and his rights first as indicated in our history and the Constitution. It is not the symbol in itself that matters but what IT REPRESENTS!
Key word -- OFFICIAL
The military salute is a sign of respect between military personnel. In the Middle Ages, knights opened their visors to show their faces to each other. Knights used their right hand to show they weren't hiding a weapon beneath their cape. Over time this gesture evolved and became a sign of respect in the military.
No E-3? The NCO ranks have changed a bit too.
Back when this film was made the ranks started at E-7 (private) and went up to E-1. Now it is reversed and they have added E-8 and E-9.
Question from a civilian: when he says that NCOs are not entitled to the salute, does that mean you are not _allowed_ to salute them? This would seem strange to me because if the salute is a sign of respect, it seems that every man should be able to choose who he shows that respect to. I understand that there are conventions for who you _must_ salute, but why can't you salute others as desired?
If my grandson was going off to war, after giving the salute, my next command would be, "To your duty, fall out!"
When he introduced the master sergeant I was half expecting Phil Silvers to step forward…
Great video!!
Thanks for the video & Thumbs Up : )
This was made before the 5 star rank was introduced. it’s now optional to salute someone in civilian tire- in fact, it’s not usually encouraged. Some of these rules in the movie have changed…
Do you still address warrant officers as Mr?
@@imadeanaccounttocomment7800 I believe so.
@@imadeanaccounttocomment7800Last I checked. In fact, I have seen that particular quirk of address in some foreign armies-even using the local language equivalents-as well. I would have to do some research to see what the common heritage there is, although I suspect it's inherited from British practice. (In modern British practice, enlisted address warrants as Sir/Ma'am, but commissioned officers address warrants as Mister/Mrs/Ms. We may have simply dropped the former.)
I like how grandpa is just like "Shut up you cuck. You weren't in The Great War. You don't know shit about saluting."
That was a W moment for the grandpa. Plus it takes a second at most to salute, Not at all worth arguing about, and I really loved his "If you deserve a handshake, I at least deserve a salute!" and his "Courtesy is still courtesy and discipline is still discipline!" AMEN!
US Army ranks include some we dont have in British Army- one being the rank called Specialist.
Also Private E-4 (and other numbers). Is there a qualified person who can explain these two rank structures? Thanks in advance
George Montgomery, a good actor, at 09.00 ca.
George Montgomery is the helpful friend 9:42
Is the mother's accent common in the US?
Mid Atlantic accent that many actors of that era were trained to speak.
@@deirdre108 very pleasant to hear
Her accent is called the Transatlantic. Early on with sound motion pictures, studios thought it would appeal to both UK and American audiences.
Not quite Brit, or American. Always sounded pretentious.
15:14 That's the special Army vehicle that only goes 1 mile per hour.
what ever happened to common courtesy?
This guy was just having a swell time.
... till the bullets start flying, bombs exploding and his buddies dying all around him.
Golly gee. it sure looked like it.
When I went home from Marine Corps boot camp, I grabbed one of my civilian pals and we drove onto nearby Ft. Ord (then a Central Cali Army base, now eliminated). Waved on in by sentries (mid-70's security non-existent), we cruised out to the enlisted training areas. I eventually killed my lights, lowered my window and began bellowing: "Sergeant of the Guard, Post Number Five, Post Number Five!" Nearly pissing ourselves with stifled laughter we then waited in the pitch dark and began to hear the various men on guard at their respective posts, who all began yelling what I had, summoning the Sergeant running the night guard to Post Number Five, for reasons unknown. We then saw shadowy figures of Army recruits, legs wildly illuminated by the cheap flashlights they carried, who appeared to be nervously readying themselves for the action they anticipated was soon to come. We drove a few hundred yards, lights still out, and I repeated my call, except I changed the post numbers. And so it went -- wash, rinse, repeat! Then I began blowing a little nickel coaches' whistle I'd brought for extra effect. Soon we heard other whistles being blown by Army sentries and mobile superiors.I guessed. We watched the fun as those guys recreated the troopers' reaction to invaders unknown during the Tet offensive years before. Then, I quietly increased my speed, pulled onto a main road and we made our escape, speeding up with headlights on, back to a side gate and off post. We were passed head on by several jeeps and MP squad cars going toward where we'd been. This was a stunt I never pulled anywhere again. Today we probably would have been shot up as "terrorists" by lunatic soldiers with automatic rifles, saving the Union from the latest incarnation of the January 6 "insurrection". Yeah. It was better back then, during times in American history most insecure.
Semper Fi Marine! When I was driving home from 29 Palms in Califonia I stopped in at the Air Force Academy to visit my brother who was a cadet there. I didn't do anything outrageous like you did but man did I put on a show in my Marine officer's Dress Blues! A one-man parade through the whole campus!
Doesn't Ft. Ord still operate as a language school ?
The on screen countdown bar is a bit distracting.
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Eating with your arm resting on the table is discourteous
Served 21 years in the Navy. Operations Specialist First Class Petty Officer; OS1(SW/AW)
Thanks for your service to our great nation.
You're welcome
I retired after 20 years in the Air Force as a Technical Sergeant. My wife retired from the Navy Reserve as a Chief Yeoman with 24 years service.
3:32 ??????
Very interesting prewar enlisted uniforms having leather belts, 1SG rank having two rockers and black ties with khaki shirts
Is this before or after Nash Equilibrium?
Is that a prog-rock group?
I'm dying to know the date of this film. Obviously not post World War II.
Only thing I can say is that it is pre-1958.
" without DISIPLINE ,all an army is a uniformed rabble " . George Washington .
Doggies salute inside without a cover on?
Yep, they do Marine! (Or sailor. Not sure here.)
Filmed in 1940s?
No five star general mentioned? So you figure your off the hook if you should meet Eisenhower??!!
The rank of General of the Army with 5 star insignia was created December 1944. Officers in this film are wearing Sam Browne belts that were eliminated as a uniform accessory in 1941. That would date this film as 1941 or prior.
It was taken before December 1944, when Eisenhower got his fifth star.
@@mattanjohnsonjohnson2396 And the main reason Ike got his fifth star was the British had promoted Montgomery to field marshal, the equivalent to an American five star general. A field marshal couldn't be subordinate to an American four star general, awkward wouldn't begin to desribe it!
I hope I never meet Ike!
That Armed salute was not at Order Arms!
Does all this saluting go on today? If the kids I work with now are any measure, the answer is hardly.
Nothing has changed with customs and courtesies.
@darkwood777 The thing is if you recognize the individual as one of your officers you render a salute. If he's outside your chain of command and you have no idea who he is no salute is required. Nor should that officer in civilian clothing expect one.
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Salute!
Walk your post from flank to flank, take no shit from any rank.
Discipline!
Respect and courtesy are rare such concepts today - unfortunately.
I don't know what is going on, but there is far less respect for the Flag these days. Flown dirty, flown torn, flown not fully mast, flown in the dark without spotlight, flown in bad weather when it is not an all-weather flag or FAR WORSE. And no one salutes it?!
Thank you for posting this. It bothers me a lot to see how the flag is treated these days. I once went in a McDonald's and insisted they either take down or repair their Flag which was hanging on by the bottom eyelet. I was pleasantly surprised when the manager sent someone outside to bring the flag in. The next day it was flying again, properly secured. On the other hand, the number of tattered flags flying day and night in my own neighborhood is enough to make you weep.
According to the American Legion website, as long as there is enough ambient light to be able to recognize the U.S. flag when viewed from the street or side walk then no additional lighting is required.
As to your salute comment. Civilians don't salute the flag.
These films are fun. You often see accomplished actors among the cast - here George Montgomery as a PFC explaining officer ranks. RE saluting - both giving and receiving a salute is a military honor. A civilian should never salute, and a salute from a civilian is an offense against custom. This includes the President, who although he is commander in chief, is yet a civilian and not allowed to salute, and should never return a salute. The idea that the CinC is a civilian and not a service member is profoundly tied to the origins of our country and its most profound idea - that civilians are in charge and that standing armies are yet under civilian control. When I see the President give or return a salute, I wince.
I've got my suspicions about the private in this film. Any soldier who wears makeup and shapes their eyebrows....
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The Private: "Hey, why don't we go along and get a shower, freshen up?"
Me: "I'll take my shower once you're done, thanks".
I thought the french were the only ones that knew how to retreat
Ich Liebe Ordnung!
No shit. You're a german...
Looks so different from 1974
British Army... if it moves salute, if it doesn't paint it white...
In 60's US Army, If it moves salute it, I if it dosen't move pick it up, if you can't pick it up, paint it.
when in doubt, whip it out
I'd be in the stockade for repeatedly screwing this up.
I don't understand why he sent a written letter to his grandpa. Would it not be more simple to text him?
These things are great background noise
Boys one thinks is an actor writing with his left hand.
Courtesy ......... We need it in to days World.............
Genuine courtesy. No more hearing grown ups tell people "YOU NEED to be respectful, you little sh*t" while not showing an ounce of respect themselves. A lot of these films and movies make it seem like if you're an older man, you get a free pass on treating people right, and that's probably why everyone's such a problem now a days.
A sloppy crowd for that lecture, national service in the British Army would have been different lol
This shows clearly how today’s daily episode of Divide and Conquer has left us with an inability to come together to accomplish anything, much less defend against a common enemy. Heck, we probably couldn’t even agree on the enemy. All by design. Sad.
Best comment i've read all day. Sad but true.
Speaking of discipline....you don't salute anyone out of uniform, gramps. Oh, and you also don't wear your cover indoors
Jason M what about at 13:08
you salute officers out of uniform if you recognize them, and you can wear a cover indoors if you're armed and gramps carries a .44 caliber so stfu, maggot.
Who would have thought a video from 70 years ago is about formalities as they existed 70 years ago and not exactly aligned with modern formalities.
You salute Gramps for being the elder of the family...and lifetime of heartache having to endure nagging of a old bag grandma is.
Back then, yes. This video was back then.
XD Call me new age, or whatever, but for some reason the "rifle salute" where the guy raises his hand flat across his chest looks like an offensive gesture. like it So looks like he's saying "drop dead". I feel like there's a better way to salute with a long weapon, like the sentry's salute where he holds the gun vertically.
Calling it courtesy when you can be disciplined for not saluting isn't courtesy at all, it's simply obeying instruction.
Sir is a derivative of the word sire meaning father, and unless the officer just happens to be you father you shouldn't use it, you should address the superior by their rank.
Also the US Government should do women the courtesy of including them in conscription legislation, to give them the equality they say they aren't getting.
alright we'll get right on that.
"Sir is a derivative of the word sire meaning father, and unless the officer just happens to be you father you shouldn't use it, you should address the superior by their rank."
Sire was also used to denote respect. It's used everyday to denote simple respect, so that's silly.
It's military courtesy. Putting "military" in front of a word often turns it into an oxymoron.
Hell no...the women should do mandatory service like the Israeli women do.
@@mxferro NOBODY in the USA is mandated into service. Women, men, they, doesn't matter.
Makes me figure that this is why wannabe soldiers end up engaging in insurrection and sedition while thinking it is patriotism.
Bill I think you're a little confused about how things work here, and why they work.
wtf
Not too hard to understand. Discipline is the heart and soul of an army. It makes the small and weak into a powerful force that are a challenge to defeat.
It's history bro.
Military Courtesy is simply good manners conducted by ServiceMen on the good order and discipline in the Rank and File of America's Armed Forces ( Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Space Force and Coast Guard) .🇺🇲🇺🇸🦅🌎⚓🪖💣💥🔥🛡️🗡️⚔️🇺🇸🇺🇲
Only thing that has changed is the rank structure. As for flag etiquette and customs and courtesies. Nothing has changed but the enforcing of it.