Haydn Symphony No. 8 "Le Soir" | Il Giardino Armonico | Giovanni Antonini (Haydn2032, Vol. 10)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Joseph Haydn (1732-1809): Symphony No. 8 in G major "Le Soir", Hob. I:8 (1761)
Il Giardino Armonico | Giovanni Antonini, Conductor
Recorded at Martinskirche Basel, January 24, 2019
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In the lead-up to the 300th anniversary of Joseph Haydn's birth in 2032, the Joseph Haydn Foundation in Basel is organising, producing and financing the performance and recording of all 107 of the composer's symphonies by Il Giardino Armonico and Basel Chamber Orchestra under the artistic direction of Giovanni Antonini, one of the most highly-respected specialists in baroque, early classical and classical music, with its project Haydn2032.
Tags: Joseph Haydn, Haydn2032, Symphony No. 8, Il Giardino Armonico, Giovanni Antonini, Les heures du jour 
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A New uploaded video from Prof. Antonini. Having waited for such a long time.👍👍👍
A magnificent performance. Haydn would be thrilled and would love the joke in the minuet! What a final movement, amazed each time I hear it, and so well done!
Not sure he would understand why the minuet is played at a walz tempo though... His reaction would be interresting, for sure.
@@calembourman2295
If you are interested in learning more, the issue of the tempi adopted in various movements in this series has been debated extensively in some of the longer threads across the Haydn 2032 channel; they are genuine debates from which I have learned much from others who have a real knowledge of both Haydn and the music of the period.
The only thing I would add here is that the Minuet of Symphony 28 written in 1765 - id est just four years after the badly mis-numbered Symphonies 6, 7, and 8 of 1761 - is in fact marked *Allegro molto,* so the idea of fast Minuets at this time is not quite as unusual as you might think.
Symphony 8’s Minuet has in fact no tempo indication but is marked simply Menuetto - Trio (neither do the Minuets in the other two symphonies in the triptych have any tempo marking), so adopting the quicker tempo as specifically marked in Symphony 28 is in fact arguably both a musically and historically-informed choice.
I was initially concerned by the quicker dance movements commonly adopted by the period performance groups which then spread to modern groups as well - that was forty to fifty years ago - but have now got used to it, and so find many older recordings of the Minuet movements to be ploddingly slow.
My top recommendation for Symphonies 6-8 remains the Freiberger Barockorchester recording of 2002 directed by Petra Mullejans* which may also sort your issue with the Minuet of Symphony 8 as the timings are as follows:**
Antonini 3:24
Mullejans 4:23
* In a very well recorded field with many outstanding performances, it’s invidious to pick a single top choice, and I would not be without Antonini, and a number of others.
** As further comparisons:
Hogwood is 4:52 (but without checking, I think he plays all the repeats in the Minuet second time round);
Dorati is 4:38;
Goodman 4:26.
So delightful! Outstanding playing and video work. Bravo all!
Großartige Komposition in hervorragender Wiedergabe! Ich bin sehr begeistert.
Bravo! Bravissimo! 👏👏👏👏
Exciting. Beautiful. Lyrical. Majestic. Thank you
15:57 😂 The player's acting skills!
Beautiful recording!
Wonderful!💕
SERE GUTE !
…and joyful
Wonderful! But I wonder what was going on between the bass players at 16:00. Haydn did have a sense of humor; was that in the score?
No, it's not in the score. They are in a jolly mood and it's a refreshing practical joke. Also the big sweep at 16'37". It was all for the show and is not on the CD recording.
@@robertspruijtenburg3625 Whatever it was, definitely in the spirit of Haydnesque humor and antics!
@@blainesnow1476 Yes, absolutely! Haydn would have been delighted! If his Prince would have been "amused", however, is another matter altogether...
@@blainesnow1476 Haydn would like it! Maestro Haydn is SO Great, I was a bit sad today, and Haydn never fails to cheer me up. To Love Haydn is to Love Life! I'm always fascinated by this giant of a master, so unique!
❤Ле СУАР чюдесно
❤такие экспромты это только Гайдн❤❤❤
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15:57, is this part of the original program?
Grande Stefano Barneschi novello Luigi Tomasini (sic !)
What is spoken during the "joke"? Was it one scolding about the key or the way they other was playing?
Last week I had the opportunity to ask one of the violinists who had played at that concert. This is what I learned: the idea was Stefan Preyer's, the second bassist's (on the left). So Giancarlo De Frenza, the first bassist, mimicked a player utterly delighted at his prowess of performing a trill and, in a frenzy (nomen est omen), endeavoring at extending it to infinity, whereupon Stefan Preyer bursts out (he starts speaking in his Austrian dialect, so I translate; then he continues in Italian): "Stop it! Move on! You are late! Avanti, avanti!" Giovanni Antonini reinforces with "Basta, basta!" (= "Enough!"), but at the end of the trio appeasingly adds "Bravo, bravo!".
It's his birthday today
Auf einmal klingt Haydn wie Mozart!
Haydn seems to be in a CPE Bach mode with this symphony. I can see similarities with the older master's style.
Haydn was more influenced by the Mannheim school with his symphonies. CPE Bach’s symphonies were influenced by Haydn’s
@@loganfruchtman953
To be polite, it must be said that both points you make are open to debate.
@@loganfruchtman953 Haydn is quoted as saying that C.P.E. Bach was his principal musical influence and that he studied C.P.E.'s compositions diligently.
Mozart agreed with Haydn's opinion of C.P.E. Bach and said,
"He is the Master and we are the children."
Was Papageno born in the first movement?
No.
😊😊😅😅
5:36, the Second Movement.
Just a shame that the camera man didn't know where the bassoon was! It is his solo in bar 6 after all...
일단 웃을 수 밖에 없는 포퍼먼스이다.
이단
소리을 가지고 표현하고 싶다면 최소한 일정 부분에 대한 경지를 알고 하라
상대적으로
넘볼수 없는 소리가 많은데
겨우 관현악 고유의 소리로
그걸 넘어 서거나
스스로의 한계를 모르면
자기를 넘어 설 수가 없다
Haydn makes me feel
better. With 6 inches
of snow. Chatt TN. 😮 😮
Wow. It's been many years since we've had 6 inches of snow up here in NYC.
Such a pity about the altercation spoiling the 3rd movement - even if it was intended! Would rather listen to another rendition in future. Please don't spoil your wonderful musicianship with gimmicks like this
Actually, they don't play the prank on the "Les heures du jour" CD. Haydn invites the joke by putting a fermata on this bar, where the violone plays an Fsharp shake, while the continuo instruments play Aflat, both to resolve the dissonance with G in the next bar. But I fully agree with you - the CD version without the prank is more satisfying, the musical joke of the violone's endless scale and this dissonant trill is quite sufficient.
I don't think it spoils anything at all
Что контрабасист сказал своему коллеге по-немецки в конце Менуэта?
If you can read English, or the Translate to… function works, this question is answered by RS in response to the same question asked in this thread by @Stevessphoto.
(The original conversation is a mix of Austrian dialect and then Italian).