One thing to note: Flipping manifested creatures ignores additional costs. The 5/4 for 3 is a great manifest target. Same with the 6/6 flier in white. And the 4/3 double striker is absurd with manifest.
Color pie discussion: my MTG mentor in the 90s described black as "you can do anything but it'll cost you, something like life". That seems to fit Withering Torment.
That's not true though. There's plenty that is not in Black's color pie, even if you pay life/sacrifice other resources. R&D literally added enchantment removal to it's color pie 5 years ago, with the caveat that it's suppose to be worse on rate compared to Green and White.
Was wondering where this was. Glad you're feeling better, LSV. Just joined the Patreon. Getting back into magic and just had my first 7-game win on MTGA quick draft. Appreciate you guys.
3:08:05 +2/+2 and flying at instant speed used to cost us 2 mana, and that trick was always between good and begrudgingly playable. I think Jump Scare will over-perform.
More like the creature has to take a turn out while vomiting because they get totally disgusted when seing how fkin stupid mtg has become with baseball bats, TVs and headphones...
@@hermodnitter3902 Bat-and-ball games are common among world cultures. It's really not that far of a stretch to think that a stickball bat exists in a weird mashup plane like Duskmourn and is just called that to connect with our IRL expectations. I think people are overexaggerating the aesthetic problems of the set. They're there, but most of the rest of the set is really creepy and unique.
Marshal seems to have missed the reason they added Enchantment removal to Black. It was all the way back in 2019, so not new at all, and it was because they wanted Artifacts and Enchantments to both be answered by 3 colors.
Black also usually can't remove enchantments as efficiently as green or white can, or does it at a cost of life. Flavor-wise, I like the idea of a warlock or necromancer seeking through their dark spellbooks to learn how to undo/counter enchantments cast against them.
@@UnknownSouldier Flavor can justify alot, but in general I see Black's enchantment removal as a sort of magical entropy or decay. It especially fits for enchantments related to thought and emotion, as Black consistently has used negative emotion and mental deterioration as a weapon.
Funny how LSV's monitor that has Marshall is on (our) left, so it makes it look like he's Brady Bunch talking to him. Marshall you need to do the reverse!
Talking about Cathartic Parting, I feel like Marshall has forgotten that he can grade separately from Luis. They used to both give a grade, but these days Marshall just looks over at LSV to tell him his opinion so he can agree. If it's a C+ to you, then say it!
Yeah but Luis is a hall of famer so I see why Marshall values Luis over his own feelings, but I do agree. Marshall doesnt give himself enough credit as he is a very VERY good card evaluator and player even if he isnt as serious a competitor as Luis.
My early prediction is that Untimely Malfunction is gonna be their choice for the card that “never works for them but always beats them” for the farewell episode of this set.
Marshall: "I don't want to see the digital watches on my magic cards" Me: Looking at the cards in the set and future Marvel sets - "Yeah man, I have bad news for you"
I'm with them. I don't like modern stuff in Magic. It's not why I fell in love with the game. All this stuff feels sooo gimmicky. Def not looking forward to Marvel.
@@SantosLHalper33 Glad I'm not the only one. Like seeing a telephone and a watch and random things from the real world is just...not magic. Also: How do you like the theme of this set in general?
@@funsun870 It is very much Magic. And old things like swords and castles are also "from the real world". People also have very different perceptions of what things are "modern". I saw people say the Chainsaw and Baseball Bat were too modern, when chainsaws were first invented in the 1700s and a wooden stick for playing a sport goes back millennia, with Baseball being at least as old as the 1800s.
@@Mordalon Stop making disingenuous arguments. You can disagree without willfully misunderstanding others. It is well-known that popular fantasy derives from a "sword and sorcery" style of world akin to Tolkien's Middle Earth. Magic is no exception. Although some early cards, namely the Phyrexians, venture more into science fiction territory, Magic as a whole has always been a traditional sword and sorcery fantasy property. Garfield himself originally conceived of Magic as a mini-game to be played alongside Dungeons & Dragons, which is itself a traditional sword and sorcery property. Even when Magic has ventured into more technologically-advanced settings, such as Ravnica, it has always been with explicitly magical underpinnings; for example, guns are magically-fueled lasers, and electricity is substituted for magically-themed substances such as Aether, or more generically, raw lightning. Magic's shift toward allowing more contemporary aesthetics is very recent (~5 years) and is the result of R&D needing to constantly push out new sets, combined with the contracts for Universes Beyond introducing other properties such as The Walking Dead into Magic. Officially, this represents an ideological movement toward seeing Magic as a "game system" (i.e. a set of mechanics) rather than a unique, sword and sorcery fantasy IP of its own. As a consequence, we now have baseball bats, television screens, etc. Whether or not you like this, or are comfortable with this, is up to you. But it's completely reasonable for others not to be. The traditional fantasy aesthetic has been linked to Magic for over 20 years. The name of the game is, itself, "Magic." To add elements from outside this traditional aesthetic, such as baseball bats and television screens, would be akin to playing Call of Duty and seeing wizards run around casting spells, or playing Red Dead Redemption and watching a tank roll across the desert. The fundamental nature of the property has been altered.
The purpose of the Vigilance on Unwilling Vessel is so that it has more opportunities to both attack & block to force them to trade off and give you the Spirit. It's actually, like, a pretty good card design... I'm confused why Marshall is confused.
Man, I wish it was fucking Goosebumps. I feel like this set only exists because of stranger things being huge, Ghostbusters wouldn't be enough of a tentpole to hold this all up.
Tough to catch all the details of every single card so certainly not blaming the guys, but feels like they missed the main point on Fear of Exposure - safely tapping your survival creatures!
who invented baseball on the plane of Duskmourn? this whole "plane" is one-note gimmick. are there civilizations with distinct identities? where does the survivors' food actually come from? and don't just say "the house". where do they get the wheat, sugars, fruits, and meat? i miss elves, dragons, and goblins. i miss mages, flying ships, and beast tokens.
Is there a text version of all of these rankings? I like listening to all of the explanations but I’d like to have a text list of the rankings for reference.
Couldn't help but notice that the multicolor section is missing sawblade skinripper. Anyone know what their opinion is on it? It looks like a solid B+ for BR sacrifice imo but I found it odd that it's missing.
cards like oblivious bookworm are unsung heroes of drafts because u often end up needing to find a land or needing to discard a land and just getting to loot EOT for free (if you wish which is also great) is deceptively strong in my experience.
They need to print more card selection for all colors. Every color should at least get to scry, often, and at common. Would help to eliminate a lot of feels bads.
I thought looters are known to be good? Its like saying removal cards are 'unsung heroes.' Nah, they are known good cards and valued very high in pick order (bookworm easily a 1st pick imo over some rares)
Yeah, that was the oddest thing for them to miss, considering the only other color pair it seems to have synergy with are RG and GB Delirium, but just barely.
Fear of abduction is really good also for the dread tokens, sometimes you can put a removal spell under the 2/2 and get it in your hand after they get rid of it.
Is Marshall not listening to LSV? A few cards in and he’s made him repeat himself like 3 times. He asked him for his grade at least 20 times after he already gave it.
@1:17:50 that's almost exactly what WOTC has said about the matter - they observed that it was weird having three colors that could destroy artifacts unconditionally (white, green, red) but only two with targeted enchantment removal (white, green) was a bit lopsided. They didn't want to give it to red as well, and blue generally doesn't do "destroy" so it went to black with the caveat that it should be worse than white and green. They've been doing it since ZNR (Feed the Swarm) but this is probably the best version of the effect. They've had at least one very bad targeted enchantment destruction in WOE (Shatter the Oath) but Withering Torment might actually see play outside of draft filler.
Technically the change to the color pie happened before Feed the Swarm, with Mire in Misery in Commander 2019 being their first new card post that decision. MaRo even teased it at the time before Commander 2019 came out.
@ 1:17:00 There are two black spells in Magic's history that say "destroy target artifact" and both of them are on the reserve list (and phyrexian-themed iirc). I don't think Black should move into destroying artifacts, but it's kinda sad that there are no bulk versions.
Blue Eye Samurai is awesome. My most favorite storyline is the one of Princess Bride that needs to use her means to get what she wants in the world where women play secondary role. Her lessons with her advisor during Go game were great. And her poem performance in the tea house was indeed a masterpiece worth a princess.
Fear of Abduction is phrased like Oblivion Ring, in that the triggers to exile and return the creatures are separate. If you can make it leave the battlefield before its ETB trigger resolves, your opponent wont get the creature back. And as a bonus, you'll still get your creature back if you cast it!
Shroudstomper seems like an uncommon Archon of Cruelty. Mental advantage if you can support it and survive long enough and MUCH more reliable to get than a mythic. Though it not having flying makes protecting it when it attacks or having even more recursion to get it back from the graveyard necessary.
The grammar on Shroudstomper is incorrect. The way it’s currently written means “each opponent loses 2 life” is a triggered ability, while “You gain 2 life and draw a card” is maybe a static ability…or nothing. Either way, there are thousands of cards that set a precedent on how to read these actions, and zero that are written like Shroudstomper. The period isn’t just weird or incorrect, it completely changes the meaning and ruling on what the card does.
If we are following the guidelines of standard English, and also using the precedent set by thousands of previous mtg cards, then “You gain 2 life and draw a card” is a static ability. Now, that doesn’t make sense to have it as a static ability, but if you are “always” drawing and gaining, I think it’s reasonable to say that the ruling should be to gain infinite life and draw infinite cards and lose the game as soon as Shroudstomper is on the battlefield.
@@samasamiac The card is grammatically and mechanically sound. "You gain 2 life and draw a card" is part of the effects of the triggered ability. A period is not a line break. It's not weird, it's not incorrect, and it doesn't change the meaning.
If it were after a colon for an activated ability, then yes, you do all the things. Like when Tyvar the Pummeler says “Tap an untapped creature you control: Tyvar gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it,” that works because you do everything g after the colon, and the “it” refers to the previous sentence. Or Shroudstomper could have a keyword like survival and say, “Survival. Each opponent loses 2 life. You gain 2 life and draw a card.” Those would be correct, but the current grammar is not correct…and I can’t find another Magic card that is written like Shroudstomper.
1:16:38 I mean , green does everything now, has the biggest creatures , card advantage, bite spells are basically hard removal.. why shouldn’t black remove enchantments while green does everything?
It’s also not unprecedented for Black to be able to remove enchantments. Feed the Swarm is probably the best one. I think there was a spell or two in Eldraine and Ixalan too. Black should be able to do anything if they pay the price (life or creature sac).
Green does not literally do everything, never has. People who say this just show they don't actually know what the color pie is, or mainly play Commander and only value the grindy value stuff that Green has always excelled at. For example, all you listed was Big creatures, removal, and card advantage, when the Color Pie encompasses so many other effects that interact with many other facets of the game. Green isn't getting hitting the opponent's hand, countering spells, or hitting their life points directly, for instance. Green also doesn't stealing/copying any of the opponent's stuff like the Grixis colors can. "basically" hard removal isn't hard removal, and it's not like it's a given that Green has the biggest creature out at any given time. Size doesn't win everything, especially when every color has extremely cheap creature interaction. Every color gets card advantage, which isn't just card draw. They gave Black enchantment removal to balance out the number of colors that can destroy Artifacts and Enchantments, not because Black specifically was lacking in powerful effects.
producer Jeff asleep at the wheel yet again. I pay better attention to these set reviews than their own producer who gets paid to do so, and I'm usually multi-tasking.
To tap creatures flavorfully, the baseball bat incapacitates people with one swing and adds to your damage slightly with the second. Probably a reference to a baseball bat, either extremely deadly or merely slight amplifier in horror situations.
Horrible vigueur scales really nicely with the number of powerful survivor effects you have. Opponents are really priced into blocking those, and if they don't you are happy.
Firstly: Oblivious Bookworm is the _best card in the entire set,_ and I don't think it's even close. I can't think of a single card to pick over it. It demands that your opponent exiles it, and even then you've forced them to use premium removal. Early game, or late game; behind, at parity, or ahead, it is always relevant. And it's not even a bomb, it's just sheer value, haha Anyway, having played the set now... It's actually _really fun._ I'm not a fan of the new way Play Boosters have affected Limited, ESPECIALLY SEALED-Bloomburrow unfortunately suffered the most from this-but Duskmourn honestly feels extremely balanced. I went undefeated in the prerelease with an abomination of a deck that had zero bombs and almost no removal. I had to go into five colors to have enough playables, and had no archetype. 😂 ... yet, it beat out decks that had multiple huge mythics. The matches were dang close, but it still did really well. I leaned hard into focusing on a U/G tempo deck, and it was surprisingly consistent. I had only two rares-Screaming Nemesis and Valvagoth's Lair. My MVPs were 2 x Conductive Machete, 2 x Overgrown Zealot, and an Oblivious Bookworm. So... Yeah. I love, love, love this set.
"Looking at their face-down cards is really worth nothing." HUHHHHHHHHH. WHAT?! This is one take I am SOO against. Now I probably wouldnt mainboard Found Footage, but in a Bo3 matchup with Sideboards, I think this is a great tool to keep if running against a Manifesting opponent. The Delirium contribution also doesn't hurt either (can also use this for reanimation possibly? surveil 2 isn't nothing).
Spot on as always! Glad you also addressed the horrible direction mtg is going by including all these real world stuff like TVs, headphones, etc. The set is, unfortunately, another easy skip for me. Luckily wotc can't mess up the old school format.
With eerie, you won't get two triggers right away when you play a room. You get one when it enters, and a second one when you FULLY unlock the room, which means opening both doors. In other words, you need to unlock both doors to fully unlock a room.
I legitimately have a hard time seeing how Brood spinner isnt an A. This thing surveils 2, has reach, and at instant speed can create 6 1/1 fliers relatively easy, for an uncommon 2 drop?
A cards make you want to drop what you are doing to fit into your deck, and nearly win you the game when cast. an efficient body that surveils but requires 2 different colors is good but not A level. And the fliers require 4 more mana, so saying "just a 2 drop" is misleading, and getting that high on Delirium is possible but you have to go out of your way to make that happen reasonably often.
One of the best parts of these videos are the comments-it's a treasure trove of insight and supplemental information, because even extremely experienced players like Marshall and LSV miss stuff. It's a genuine community of people helping other people. ❤
Well, it's not QUITE that simple -- when they first introduced Black enchantment removal (e.g. Feed The Swarm) they made a big deal out of only allowing Black to remove enchantments that an OPPONENT controls, because Black has historically had "deal with the devil" type enchantments with massive potential downsides (e.g. Demonic Pact) that they didn't want you getting out of that easily. It wasn't until WOE's Shatter the Pact and now DSK's much more efficient Withering Torment that Black has been allowed to directly kill its own enchantments, because they don't make many "deal with the devil" enchantments these days and the restriction just wasn't relevant enough to be worth it. That said, LSV's take here is spot on; the Color Pie is not (and should not be) set in stone -- CHANGING the Color Pie is not the same thing as BREAKING the Color Pie. I'm 100% in favor of Black getting enchantment removal, and the vast majority of people that I've seen complaining about it don't really have an argument against it besides tradition and it "feeling weird".
@@Mordalon Yes. It’s likely they ultimately dropped the restriction in WOE specifically because they wanted to let Black use the Bargain mechanic because it would have been extremely weird for the big new “sacrifice” mechanic of the set to appear in every color EXCEPT Black.
@@LunaLasceria That wasn't likely the only reason they lifted Black's limitation, but a contributing factor. Reminds me of how Green already got Haste very rarely, but with Riot in RNA, they overtly made Haste a part of Green with that mechanic.
@@Mordalon two-color identity mechanics get a pass to overlap, i think. kinda like +1/+1 counters and creature stat boosts aren't exactly blue's gameplan, but in Ravnica sets, the blue Simic cards do this. but yeah green's been getting haste more
17:30 How does Skinripper trigger work, exactly? It only goes off if I've sac'd something, but can I sac more things in response to the trigger once it's on the stack to increase the damage?
Yes. If you've sacrificed at least one permanent before the end step begins, the ability will go on the stack. Then if you sacrifice more permanents before it actually resolves the damage amount will update when the ability finally resolves.
I haven't been a fan of how fast and aggressive limited formats have been lately. For anyone who has drafted this set on Arena, how fast and aggressive has this set been compared to the last 3 or 4 sets?
it has not come out yet, brother. Arena babies can't fathom waiting for a set to even come out before they start online discourse about the set's play experience.
@@iSmartMan1 same. I have literally never once downloaded Arena, used the new Magic events app, or watched any Magic videos that show Arena. I only play paper with my playgroup and my friends back home.
1:16:30 I think with the color pie each color should be able to do everything, or near everything; But in their own way. Like the difference between rummaging and looting. Or the different ways of removal (bounce, damage, destroy, detain, exile).
@@Mordalon before Jace era, it was you’re right. Weatehrlight was one of my favorite sets. I guess I don’t like the obsession with comic graphic aesthetic over paint.
@@focusgroupcreative Many of the earliest Magic aesthetics were shared with comic books, both Magic and comic books just changed common aesthetics as their audience changed.
"We want to pay homage to R-rated films, but we're committed to producing PG art to attract the Roblox audience." The cherry on top is that the human characters are all just random people they found in a Seattle Goodwill. Duskmourn's truly an aesthetic tour-de-force.
Thank god I'm not the only one who is against this set! Feels like so many people are hyped about it and I just don't get it. The art direction in this set is all over the place, resulting in me enjoying it probably the least ever since ONE (that had other issues for me tho)
ONE was horrendous flanderization meets saturday morning cartoons yeah. Compared to the art from the Scars block, it's just depressing. I think some people don't really care about anything but the game's mechanics, and for some people their line between kitsch and crap is more forgiving, so some people liking this aesthetic is whatever. But I notice for a lot of people it's this weird thing of "magic is literally my identity and if anyone dislikes any aspect of it, they are personally insulting me." It persists exactly until it becomes "cool" to say a set's aesthetic is vapid, as people now broadly agree for MKM and OTJ. God help you if you said "this is the most phoned-in western setting I've ever seen" prior to the release of MH3, though.
@@bartoffer Thank you for your reaction and a lot of effort put into it! ONE was really strange for me. Although I must say if they really wanted to push that phyrexian theme, they kind of did a pretty good job. That is true and I seem to pick up on that even with other content creators: a "cool set" to them means the mechanics, they do not care much for the art, theme. I am still not 100% sure which one is more important to me, but I have the feeling that if the art is bad, I am simply not able to enjoy the set. True. With some people, you cannont criticize those things. I had a cooment about OTJ (mechanics/vibe-wise) and someone wanted to support it 100%. Okay, fine I get it some people really liked the set, but to me, it was super boring - the art, the sound of plotting, the mechanics. I'm curious - did you not like MKM and OTJ for its art/them or also for their mechanics? Because I must admit, I was quite surprised by the critique of those sets (especially MKM which I found quite nice) as of late.
My issues with them are mostly aesthetic, in the sense of wasted potential. When I think of "plane-hopping detective noire," MKM was not what came to mind. My mind sprang to setting up a buddy-cop with a character from Ravnica and one from Capenna, and hopping back-and-forth to unveil a goofy conspiracy that would tie into the next set. With OTJ, I imagined taking fantasy themes into a western setting, and exploring how magic would function differently, what kinds of weapons would emerge, different fantasy races adapting to the environs, etc. "Everyone has a bowler and a trenchcoat" and "everyone has a cowboy hat and a... crossbow?" being the main "flavor" was not how I envisioned them. The mechanics were mostly fine and functional, but the template era of design hasn't had any truly unplayable sets. Even ONE was functional, just boring.
This set has plenty of gruesome art, such that it's definitely PG-13, not PG, like Magic has been most of the time. This art is also, on average, more consistently disturbing than previous Innistrad sets. It's really obnoxious they people that get indignant about having not everything catered to them.
Happy for your review and commentary. This is only the second time I am willingly going to miss a prerelease due to the set looking horrible. Really shame what they have done with this one just because of needless pandering/homage without much thought :/ (nothing against the artists, of course)
I think there is way too few ads, you should seriously consider adding one between every card and one in the middle of card evaluation for good measure
Bloomburrow didn't have much going aesthetically beyond "cute animal people". This at least makes creative use with the House warping effects and the various kinds of Fears made manifest.
@@MordalonI mean, I could say duskmourn isn't much more than "generic horror tropes". I like the cute anthropomorphic animals and nature in general, I don't like horror - that's pretty much it.
@@Braidas I guess I'm not sure how Duskmourn is any more "generic" in how it approaches its tropes than Bloomburrow approaches its. Duskmourn is more overt in the specific references it does make, which seems like the opposite of generic. When we return to Bloomburrow, I'll be interested to see if there's a different angle they approach it. The lore has a lot of potential to be unique, but I just felt it didn't quite get there on the first visit.
@@Mordalon Bloomburrow wasn't really novel in its style, but I still enjoyed it. A new take on it for a return would be cool. I'm not sure I get your point about direct references making Duskmorne less "generic". I would think the strongest parts creatively would be the ones not just trying to remind you about other pieces of media
@@cheeseitup1971 When someone says something is "generic", I hear that as something being nonspecific. If something is making an overtly direct reference to something specific, then to me that is the opposite of "generic". My point is that, while having too many direct references can be an issue, that doesn't make it "generic", because the issue is that it is being TOO specific. I've also seen people perceive something as being specific when it's actually general. Like with OTJ I saw people claim it was trying to be Borderlands, when both it and Borderlands are drawing from the same cultural trope well and those people just aren't aware of that. Or when Eldraine was being compared to Disney, when those people were unaware those stories began as folktales and classic literature that Disney adapted.
I have similar feelings to many people in that I am not too thrilled about the flavor of this set. I’m always interested in gameplay of graveyard (and Horror) themed sets, but when I think of Innistrad compared to this, I’m just reminded of those “Flirting VS Harassment” memes. Referencing horror movies and books that were made before I was born gels a lot better with a fantasy tcg than movie franchises that are still getting sequels and reboots right now, for the most part. The movie reference that irks me most is Gremlins; couldn’t they at least have used a similar type that already has a presence in MtG? Imps maybe, or something sillier like Ouphes? Oh well, it’s hard to tell if I’m getting into grumpy old man territory at this point. I’ll probably try a few drafts to see how it plays, but I’m not very excited.
Absolutely. They still put a lot of work into their Worldbuilding, but it seems like they are afraid of running out of ideas and take a lot of risks with delving into less fantasy-adjacent themes. Still, the most tragic part about it is that the idea of the possessed house, the moth as a symbol and manifested phobias are great, but at the same time we get baseball bats, besties and cute critters. It's almost as if they are afraid of their own creation...
Marshall despising clowns was not the lore drop I thought I'd get with this episode
Unlocking a door this way is a special action that doesn't use the stack and can't be responded to.
If the ability of the room triggers on being unlocked it can be, but that won't usually stop the effect
Release notes are important
Yeah most of the time it won't matter but it kinda hurts to hear Luis say it so confidently.
@Scienceboy0 we already had someone referring to this statement during a prerelease that didn't lead to expected result
Does this mean unlocking a second door is like turning a manifest creature face up? Not intuitive at all if this is the case.
One thing to note: Flipping manifested creatures ignores additional costs. The 5/4 for 3 is a great manifest target. Same with the 6/6 flier in white. And the 4/3 double striker is absurd with manifest.
Right, because it's not casting a spell.
Sure, but that's relying a lot on having them on top when you manifest
I got absolutely destroyed by two of the 4/3 doublestrikes manifested in one game :,
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Color pie discussion: my MTG mentor in the 90s described black as "you can do anything but it'll cost you, something like life". That seems to fit Withering Torment.
That's not true though. There's plenty that is not in Black's color pie, even if you pay life/sacrifice other resources. R&D literally added enchantment removal to it's color pie 5 years ago, with the caveat that it's suppose to be worse on rate compared to Green and White.
Was wondering where this was. Glad you're feeling better, LSV. Just joined the Patreon. Getting back into magic and just had my first 7-game win on MTGA quick draft. Appreciate you guys.
Some big audio issues when LSV is talking toward the end of black, 1hr 20m or so. Tried 3 different devices and on spotify
i thought that was on my side :D glad to hear it was not
Yeah same, thought it was my earbuds
It stopped for me after 5 mins
Glad they fixed it relatively quickly.
I thought my AirPod was broken 😭
3:08:05 +2/+2 and flying at instant speed used to cost us 2 mana, and that trick was always between good and begrudgingly playable. I think Jump Scare will over-perform.
and enables Survival.
@@Mordalon Great point. This could lead to some rather strong lines.
Baseball bat taps because you’re knocking them out, not killing them?
They are ducking to get out of the way
More like the creature has to take a turn out while vomiting because they get totally disgusted when seing how fkin stupid mtg has become with baseball bats, TVs and headphones...
Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't pick up on this. Makes just as much sense as the Wrench from MKM that tapped creatures.
@@chrisshaw5709 such bad flavor with baseball into mtg, creatures are getting tapped because they would rather tap out than facing such flavor fails
@@hermodnitter3902 Bat-and-ball games are common among world cultures. It's really not that far of a stretch to think that a stickball bat exists in a weird mashup plane like Duskmourn and is just called that to connect with our IRL expectations. I think people are overexaggerating the aesthetic problems of the set. They're there, but most of the rest of the set is really creepy and unique.
Marshal seems to have missed the reason they added Enchantment removal to Black. It was all the way back in 2019, so not new at all, and it was because they wanted Artifacts and Enchantments to both be answered by 3 colors.
Yeah debt to kami and feed the swarm are both awesome cards in edh. More enchantment answers in black pls!
Black also usually can't remove enchantments as efficiently as green or white can, or does it at a cost of life.
Flavor-wise, I like the idea of a warlock or necromancer seeking through their dark spellbooks to learn how to undo/counter enchantments cast against them.
@@UnknownSouldier Flavor can justify alot, but in general I see Black's enchantment removal as a sort of magical entropy or decay. It especially fits for enchantments related to thought and emotion, as Black consistently has used negative emotion and mental deterioration as a weapon.
Funny how LSV's monitor that has Marshall is on (our) left, so it makes it look like he's Brady Bunch talking to him. Marshall you need to do the reverse!
Talking about Cathartic Parting, I feel like Marshall has forgotten that he can grade separately from Luis. They used to both give a grade, but these days Marshall just looks over at LSV to tell him his opinion so he can agree. If it's a C+ to you, then say it!
Yeah but Luis is a hall of famer so I see why Marshall values Luis over his own feelings, but I do agree. Marshall doesnt give himself enough credit as he is a very VERY good card evaluator and player even if he isnt as serious a competitor as Luis.
@@mr.joesterr5359 he's also a proxy for us non-HOFers, so his gut reaction to some cards mirror many players'
My early prediction is that Untimely Malfunction is gonna be their choice for the card that “never works for them but always beats them” for the farewell episode of this set.
Marshall: "I don't want to see the digital watches on my magic cards"
Me: Looking at the cards in the set and future Marvel sets - "Yeah man, I have bad news for you"
I'm with them. I don't like modern stuff in Magic. It's not why I fell in love with the game. All this stuff feels sooo gimmicky.
Def not looking forward to Marvel.
@@SantosLHalper33 Glad I'm not the only one. Like seeing a telephone and a watch and random things from the real world is just...not magic.
Also: How do you like the theme of this set in general?
@@funsun870 It is very much Magic. And old things like swords and castles are also "from the real world". People also have very different perceptions of what things are "modern". I saw people say the Chainsaw and Baseball Bat were too modern, when chainsaws were first invented in the 1700s and a wooden stick for playing a sport goes back millennia, with Baseball being at least as old as the 1800s.
@@SantosLHalper33 Magic is an infinite multiverse. How does it feel any more gimmicky than other overtly top-down sets?
@@Mordalon Stop making disingenuous arguments. You can disagree without willfully misunderstanding others.
It is well-known that popular fantasy derives from a "sword and sorcery" style of world akin to Tolkien's Middle Earth. Magic is no exception. Although some early cards, namely the Phyrexians, venture more into science fiction territory, Magic as a whole has always been a traditional sword and sorcery fantasy property. Garfield himself originally conceived of Magic as a mini-game to be played alongside Dungeons & Dragons, which is itself a traditional sword and sorcery property. Even when Magic has ventured into more technologically-advanced settings, such as Ravnica, it has always been with explicitly magical underpinnings; for example, guns are magically-fueled lasers, and electricity is substituted for magically-themed substances such as Aether, or more generically, raw lightning.
Magic's shift toward allowing more contemporary aesthetics is very recent (~5 years) and is the result of R&D needing to constantly push out new sets, combined with the contracts for Universes Beyond introducing other properties such as The Walking Dead into Magic. Officially, this represents an ideological movement toward seeing Magic as a "game system" (i.e. a set of mechanics) rather than a unique, sword and sorcery fantasy IP of its own. As a consequence, we now have baseball bats, television screens, etc.
Whether or not you like this, or are comfortable with this, is up to you. But it's completely reasonable for others not to be. The traditional fantasy aesthetic has been linked to Magic for over 20 years. The name of the game is, itself, "Magic." To add elements from outside this traditional aesthetic, such as baseball bats and television screens, would be akin to playing Call of Duty and seeing wizards run around casting spells, or playing Red Dead Redemption and watching a tank roll across the desert. The fundamental nature of the property has been altered.
love that marshal hates the theme of the set - good man
The purpose of the Vigilance on Unwilling Vessel is so that it has more opportunities to both attack & block to force them to trade off and give you the Spirit. It's actually, like, a pretty good card design... I'm confused why Marshall is confused.
Every set review there's at least a handful of cards that Marshall seems to be completely oblivious on. like he's never played Magic before.
From Redwall to Goosebumps
More like Redwall to Stranger Things.
Man, I wish it was fucking Goosebumps. I feel like this set only exists because of stranger things being huge, Ghostbusters wouldn't be enough of a tentpole to hold this all up.
@@Tuchpi Agree. the set feels like badly thought-out pandering to certain niche demographic and interests...AND it is creepiness to the n-th.
Tough to catch all the details of every single card so certainly not blaming the guys, but feels like they missed the main point on Fear of Exposure - safely tapping your survival creatures!
Yeah I've found it great in WG survivors draft and sealed. Dropping on turn 4 for loads of value.
glad youre feeling better, stoked for the set review!
21:28 I have the exact same reaction to this set as Marshall has when they talk about baseball bat
Oh god, I forgot it had the word baseball in it...
who invented baseball on the plane of Duskmourn? this whole "plane" is one-note gimmick. are there civilizations with distinct identities? where does the survivors' food actually come from? and don't just say "the house". where do they get the wheat, sugars, fruits, and meat? i miss elves, dragons, and goblins. i miss mages, flying ships, and beast tokens.
@@AB-sw4kb is it possible that is kind of a pocket dimension or nexus that objects and beings are drawn into from other planes?
Manifest-o-war was missed for unnerving grasp
I’m pitching triskaidekaduel as the name for the land cycle
Is there a text version of all of these rankings? I like listening to all of the explanations but I’d like to have a text list of the rankings for reference.
Fear of exposure like convoke works pretty well with survival creatures specifically
Couldn't help but notice that the multicolor section is missing sawblade skinripper. Anyone know what their opinion is on it? It looks like a solid B+ for BR sacrifice imo but I found it odd that it's missing.
producer Jeff asleep at the wheel
cards like oblivious bookworm are unsung heroes of drafts because u often end up needing to find a land or needing to discard a land and just getting to loot EOT for free (if you wish which is also great) is deceptively strong in my experience.
They need to print more card selection for all colors. Every color should at least get to scry, often, and at common. Would help to eliminate a lot of feels bads.
I thought looters are known to be good? Its like saying removal cards are 'unsung heroes.' Nah, they are known good cards and valued very high in pick order (bookworm easily a 1st pick imo over some rares)
its literally just one of the best uncommons if not the best one. how is it "an unsung hero"
"Look, you're not gonna win the game of a turn four 4/5 flying" someone should've told that to my opponent at the prerelease 😢
No mention of survival synergies in Fear of Exposure ?
Yeah, that was the oddest thing for them to miss, considering the only other color pair it seems to have synergy with are RG and GB Delirium, but just barely.
🎉 lsvs good health 🎉
Fear of abduction is really good also for the dread tokens, sometimes you can put a removal spell under the 2/2 and get it in your hand after they get rid of it.
The art in Give in to violence looks like it came straight from alpha
Is Marshall not listening to LSV? A few cards in and he’s made him repeat himself like 3 times. He asked him for his grade at least 20 times after he already gave it.
@1:17:50 that's almost exactly what WOTC has said about the matter - they observed that it was weird having three colors that could destroy artifacts unconditionally (white, green, red) but only two with targeted enchantment removal (white, green) was a bit lopsided.
They didn't want to give it to red as well, and blue generally doesn't do "destroy" so it went to black with the caveat that it should be worse than white and green. They've been doing it since ZNR (Feed the Swarm) but this is probably the best version of the effect. They've had at least one very bad targeted enchantment destruction in WOE (Shatter the Oath) but Withering Torment might actually see play outside of draft filler.
Technically the change to the color pie happened before Feed the Swarm, with Mire in Misery in Commander 2019 being their first new card post that decision. MaRo even teased it at the time before Commander 2019 came out.
Small note for monstrous emergence. The spell deals the damage so creatures with death touch of lifelink will not get those keywords on the damage
@ 1:17:00 There are two black spells in Magic's history that say "destroy target artifact" and both of them are on the reserve list (and phyrexian-themed iirc). I don't think Black should move into destroying artifacts, but it's kinda sad that there are no bulk versions.
Obviously we'll see how these predictions pan out, but this analysis seems really good. A lot of good points here.
Blue Eye Samurai is awesome. My most favorite storyline is the one of Princess Bride that needs to use her means to get what she wants in the world where women play secondary role. Her lessons with her advisor during Go game were great. And her poem performance in the tea house was indeed a masterpiece worth a princess.
Fear of Abduction is phrased like Oblivion Ring, in that the triggers to exile and return the creatures are separate. If you can make it leave the battlefield before its ETB trigger resolves, your opponent wont get the creature back. And as a bonus, you'll still get your creature back if you cast it!
My body is ready
Shroudstomper seems like an uncommon Archon of Cruelty. Mental advantage if you can support it and survive long enough and MUCH more reliable to get than a mythic. Though it not having flying makes protecting it when it attacks or having even more recursion to get it back from the graveyard necessary.
The grammar on Shroudstomper is incorrect.
The way it’s currently written means “each opponent loses 2 life” is a triggered ability, while “You gain 2 life and draw a card” is maybe a static ability…or nothing.
Either way, there are thousands of cards that set a precedent on how to read these actions, and zero that are written like Shroudstomper. The period isn’t just weird or incorrect, it completely changes the meaning and ruling on what the card does.
If we are following the guidelines of standard English, and also using the precedent set by thousands of previous mtg cards, then “You gain 2 life and draw a card” is a static ability. Now, that doesn’t make sense to have it as a static ability, but if you are “always” drawing and gaining, I think it’s reasonable to say that the ruling should be to gain infinite life and draw infinite cards and lose the game as soon as Shroudstomper is on the battlefield.
@@samasamiac The card is grammatically and mechanically sound. "You gain 2 life and draw a card" is part of the effects of the triggered ability. A period is not a line break. It's not weird, it's not incorrect, and it doesn't change the meaning.
@@JasonOshinkoI disagree. Is there a rule in Magic that mentions line breaks?
If it were after a colon for an activated ability, then yes, you do all the things. Like when Tyvar the Pummeler says “Tap an untapped creature you control: Tyvar gains indestructible until end of turn. Tap it,” that works because you do everything g after the colon, and the “it” refers to the previous sentence.
Or Shroudstomper could have a keyword like survival and say, “Survival. Each opponent loses 2 life. You gain 2 life and draw a card.”
Those would be correct, but the current grammar is not correct…and I can’t find another Magic card that is written like Shroudstomper.
41:08 there is just one gremlin in the set, indeed the 2/2 with menace. And two cards that repeatedly make gremlin tokens besides midnight mayhem.
Baseball Bat taps creatures why whacking them in the noggin.
Compared to a sorcery, Valgavoth's Faithful is really good with Manifest Dread.
Isn’t Green exactly the color that wants Horrid Vigor for survival?
Cynical Loner's ability also means that an opponent might feal that they have to block and kill it to avoid the trigger.
1:16:38 I mean , green does everything now, has the biggest creatures , card advantage, bite spells are basically hard removal.. why shouldn’t black remove enchantments while green does everything?
It’s also not unprecedented for Black to be able to remove enchantments. Feed the Swarm is probably the best one. I think there was a spell or two in Eldraine and Ixalan too. Black should be able to do anything if they pay the price (life or creature sac).
Green does not literally do everything, never has. People who say this just show they don't actually know what the color pie is, or mainly play Commander and only value the grindy value stuff that Green has always excelled at. For example, all you listed was Big creatures, removal, and card advantage, when the Color Pie encompasses so many other effects that interact with many other facets of the game. Green isn't getting hitting the opponent's hand, countering spells, or hitting their life points directly, for instance. Green also doesn't stealing/copying any of the opponent's stuff like the Grixis colors can.
"basically" hard removal isn't hard removal, and it's not like it's a given that Green has the biggest creature out at any given time. Size doesn't win everything, especially when every color has extremely cheap creature interaction. Every color gets card advantage, which isn't just card draw. They gave Black enchantment removal to balance out the number of colors that can destroy Artifacts and Enchantments, not because Black specifically was lacking in powerful effects.
The disrespect to Colossal Dreadmaw..... unbelievable
Always confused you miss some cars pictures xD poor skin ripper was never shown xD
producer Jeff asleep at the wheel yet again. I pay better attention to these set reviews than their own producer who gets paid to do so, and I'm usually multi-tasking.
Osseous means made of bones
To tap creatures flavorfully, the baseball bat incapacitates people with one swing and adds to your damage slightly with the second. Probably a reference to a baseball bat, either extremely deadly or merely slight amplifier in horror situations.
I know what you mean, but "Baseball Bat is probably a reference to a baseball bat" is very funny
Hey Marshall do you have any watch repair channels youd recommended?
the flavour of the baseball bat its that its a beatdown card xD
Hi! Is there a list with the ranks? Thanks for the work! Luis eres el capo
Horrible vigueur scales really nicely with the number of powerful survivor effects you have. Opponents are really priced into blocking those, and if they don't you are happy.
Marshal whats your favorite watch repair youtube channel??
You misssed the fact that Rickety Gazebo can only get back permanents from among the milled cards. That makes it a D or a D- in my book
Firstly: Oblivious Bookworm is the _best card in the entire set,_ and I don't think it's even close. I can't think of a single card to pick over it. It demands that your opponent exiles it, and even then you've forced them to use premium removal.
Early game, or late game; behind, at parity, or ahead, it is always relevant.
And it's not even a bomb, it's just sheer value, haha
Anyway, having played the set now... It's actually _really fun._
I'm not a fan of the new way Play Boosters have affected Limited, ESPECIALLY SEALED-Bloomburrow unfortunately suffered the most from this-but Duskmourn honestly feels extremely balanced.
I went undefeated in the prerelease with an abomination of a deck that had zero bombs and almost no removal. I had to go into five colors to have enough playables, and had no archetype. 😂
... yet, it beat out decks that had multiple huge mythics. The matches were dang close, but it still did really well.
I leaned hard into focusing on a U/G tempo deck, and it was surprisingly consistent. I had only two rares-Screaming Nemesis and Valvagoth's Lair.
My MVPs were 2 x Conductive Machete, 2 x Overgrown Zealot, and an Oblivious Bookworm.
So... Yeah. I love, love, love this set.
Infernal Phantom is an awesome target for turn inside out actually wtf
Unable to Scream has been better Swords to Plowshares in UW. Massively underrated.
"Looking at their face-down cards is really worth nothing." HUHHHHHHHHH. WHAT?! This is one take I am SOO against. Now I probably wouldnt mainboard Found Footage, but in a Bo3 matchup with Sideboards, I think this is a great tool to keep if running against a Manifesting opponent. The Delirium contribution also doesn't hurt either (can also use this for reanimation possibly? surveil 2 isn't nothing).
Waiting the print where the player casts say its name turn two and mills other two say its name
Spot on as always! Glad you also addressed the horrible direction mtg is going by including all these real world stuff like TVs, headphones, etc. The set is, unfortunately, another easy skip for me. Luckily wotc can't mess up the old school format.
amen
With eerie, you won't get two triggers right away when you play a room. You get one when it enters, and a second one when you FULLY unlock the room, which means opening both doors. In other words, you need to unlock both doors to fully unlock a room.
I legitimately have a hard time seeing how Brood spinner isnt an A. This thing surveils 2, has reach, and at instant speed can create 6 1/1 fliers relatively easy, for an uncommon 2 drop?
A cards make you want to drop what you are doing to fit into your deck, and nearly win you the game when cast. an efficient body that surveils but requires 2 different colors is good but not A level. And the fliers require 4 more mana, so saying "just a 2 drop" is misleading, and getting that high on Delirium is possible but you have to go out of your way to make that happen reasonably often.
1:24:40 lsv your mic is glitching… 🤧
One of the best parts of these videos are the comments-it's a treasure trove of insight and supplemental information, because even extremely experienced players like Marshall and LSV miss stuff. It's a genuine community of people helping other people. ❤
I guess Marshal and LSV have never bern hit with a baseball bat.
Im happy this came out after LSV has played a bit!
A lot of missed opportunities with card puns here. The main one that gets me is the card Hand that Feeds, it should've been a Green Bite spell
Black has been killing enchantments for something like half a decade now. Withering Torment is fully within black's part of the colour pie.
Well, it's not QUITE that simple -- when they first introduced Black enchantment removal (e.g. Feed The Swarm) they made a big deal out of only allowing Black to remove enchantments that an OPPONENT controls, because Black has historically had "deal with the devil" type enchantments with massive potential downsides (e.g. Demonic Pact) that they didn't want you getting out of that easily. It wasn't until WOE's Shatter the Pact and now DSK's much more efficient Withering Torment that Black has been allowed to directly kill its own enchantments, because they don't make many "deal with the devil" enchantments these days and the restriction just wasn't relevant enough to be worth it.
That said, LSV's take here is spot on; the Color Pie is not (and should not be) set in stone -- CHANGING the Color Pie is not the same thing as BREAKING the Color Pie. I'm 100% in favor of Black getting enchantment removal, and the vast majority of people that I've seen complaining about it don't really have an argument against it besides tradition and it "feeling weird".
@@LunaLasceria WOE also had Black Bargain spells which already let Black sacrifice it's own enchantments.
@@Mordalon Yes. It’s likely they ultimately dropped the restriction in WOE specifically because they wanted to let Black use the Bargain mechanic because it would have been extremely weird for the big new “sacrifice” mechanic of the set to appear in every color EXCEPT Black.
@@LunaLasceria That wasn't likely the only reason they lifted Black's limitation, but a contributing factor. Reminds me of how Green already got Haste very rarely, but with Riot in RNA, they overtly made Haste a part of Green with that mechanic.
@@Mordalon two-color identity mechanics get a pass to overlap, i think. kinda like +1/+1 counters and creature stat boosts aren't exactly blue's gameplan, but in Ravnica sets, the blue Simic cards do this. but yeah green's been getting haste more
17:30 How does Skinripper trigger work, exactly? It only goes off if I've sac'd something, but can I sac more things in response to the trigger once it's on the stack to increase the damage?
Yes. If you've sacrificed at least one permanent before the end step begins, the ability will go on the stack. Then if you sacrifice more permanents before it actually resolves the damage amount will update when the ability finally resolves.
Arabella's got a 1870's head...
I haven't been a fan of how fast and aggressive limited formats have been lately. For anyone who has drafted this set on Arena, how fast and aggressive has this set been compared to the last 3 or 4 sets?
it has not come out yet, brother. Arena babies can't fathom waiting for a set to even come out before they start online discourse about the set's play experience.
thats not the sets, thats arenas hand smoothing
@@DSR505 I don't play on Arena, I only play paper
@@iSmartMan1 same. I have literally never once downloaded Arena, used the new Magic events app, or watched any Magic videos that show Arena. I only play paper with my playgroup and my friends back home.
@@iSmartMan1 its medium speed, it was able to do the room deck tonight at draft and was able to survive the "fast decks" and win
1:37:45 Looks like the demon is holding a glimmer, considering they can't be used to protect against the ETB effects!
1:16:30 I think with the color pie each color should be able to do everything, or near everything; But in their own way. Like the difference between rummaging and looting. Or the different ways of removal (bounce, damage, destroy, detain, exile).
Windbreaker a C? Nizzahon just listed it as blue’s best uncommon 😂
Not drafting this set personally but want to leave a comment for the algorithm
Altanac should just say “ward - gift a card” 😂
That's not how gift works. It's a keyword ability, not a keyword action.
Gifting is an additional cost the caster of the spell gets to choose. That doesn't work with how Ward works.
Interesting how differently LR and Limited Level Ups evaluate Manifest Dread
The horror theme is fine, but I never want to see telephones, televisions etc in (standard legal) MTG sets.
It's like Magic is now Unglued and Unglued is now Disney Pixar
How? Magic was always a mix of silly and serious and a mix of fantasy and scifi/steampunk aesthetics.
@@Mordalon before Jace era, it was you’re right. Weatehrlight was one of my favorite sets. I guess I don’t like the obsession with comic graphic aesthetic over paint.
@@focusgroupcreative Many of the earliest Magic aesthetics were shared with comic books, both Magic and comic books just changed common aesthetics as their audience changed.
@@Mordalon good point. Everything is made with a computer now.
I think I just saw LSV pick his nose and then eat it. You know you are on camera, right?
"We want to pay homage to R-rated films, but we're committed to producing PG art to attract the Roblox audience."
The cherry on top is that the human characters are all just random people they found in a Seattle Goodwill.
Duskmourn's truly an aesthetic tour-de-force.
Thank god I'm not the only one who is against this set! Feels like so many people are hyped about it and I just don't get it. The art direction in this set is all over the place, resulting in me enjoying it probably the least ever since ONE (that had other issues for me tho)
ONE was horrendous flanderization meets saturday morning cartoons yeah. Compared to the art from the Scars block, it's just depressing.
I think some people don't really care about anything but the game's mechanics, and for some people their line between kitsch and crap is more forgiving, so some people liking this aesthetic is whatever.
But I notice for a lot of people it's this weird thing of "magic is literally my identity and if anyone dislikes any aspect of it, they are personally insulting me."
It persists exactly until it becomes "cool" to say a set's aesthetic is vapid, as people now broadly agree for MKM and OTJ. God help you if you said "this is the most phoned-in western setting I've ever seen" prior to the release of MH3, though.
@@bartoffer Thank you for your reaction and a lot of effort put into it!
ONE was really strange for me. Although I must say if they really wanted to push that phyrexian theme, they kind of did a pretty good job.
That is true and I seem to pick up on that even with other content creators: a "cool set" to them means the mechanics, they do not care much for the art, theme. I am still not 100% sure which one is more important to me, but I have the feeling that if the art is bad, I am simply not able to enjoy the set.
True. With some people, you cannont criticize those things. I had a cooment about OTJ (mechanics/vibe-wise) and someone wanted to support it 100%. Okay, fine I get it some people really liked the set, but to me, it was super boring - the art, the sound of plotting, the mechanics.
I'm curious - did you not like MKM and OTJ for its art/them or also for their mechanics? Because I must admit, I was quite surprised by the critique of those sets (especially MKM which I found quite nice) as of late.
My issues with them are mostly aesthetic, in the sense of wasted potential. When I think of "plane-hopping detective noire," MKM was not what came to mind. My mind sprang to setting up a buddy-cop with a character from Ravnica and one from Capenna, and hopping back-and-forth to unveil a goofy conspiracy that would tie into the next set. With OTJ, I imagined taking fantasy themes into a western setting, and exploring how magic would function differently, what kinds of weapons would emerge, different fantasy races adapting to the environs, etc. "Everyone has a bowler and a trenchcoat" and "everyone has a cowboy hat and a... crossbow?" being the main "flavor" was not how I envisioned them.
The mechanics were mostly fine and functional, but the template era of design hasn't had any truly unplayable sets. Even ONE was functional, just boring.
This set has plenty of gruesome art, such that it's definitely PG-13, not PG, like Magic has been most of the time. This art is also, on average, more consistently disturbing than previous Innistrad sets. It's really obnoxious they people that get indignant about having not everything catered to them.
Happy for your review and commentary. This is only the second time I am willingly going to miss a prerelease due to the set looking horrible. Really shame what they have done with this one just because of needless pandering/homage without much thought :/ (nothing against the artists, of course)
Growing dread at c?? Super silly
I think there is way too few ads, you should seriously consider adding one between every card and one in the middle of card evaluation for good measure
This is really 100-0 with my interest in set flavor from bloomburrow to duskmourn
Bloomburrow didn't have much going aesthetically beyond "cute animal people". This at least makes creative use with the House warping effects and the various kinds of Fears made manifest.
@@MordalonI mean, I could say duskmourn isn't much more than "generic horror tropes". I like the cute anthropomorphic animals and nature in general, I don't like horror - that's pretty much it.
@@Braidas I guess I'm not sure how Duskmourn is any more "generic" in how it approaches its tropes than Bloomburrow approaches its. Duskmourn is more overt in the specific references it does make, which seems like the opposite of generic. When we return to Bloomburrow, I'll be interested to see if there's a different angle they approach it. The lore has a lot of potential to be unique, but I just felt it didn't quite get there on the first visit.
@@Mordalon Bloomburrow wasn't really novel in its style, but I still enjoyed it. A new take on it for a return would be cool. I'm not sure I get your point about direct references making Duskmorne less "generic". I would think the strongest parts creatively would be the ones not just trying to remind you about other pieces of media
@@cheeseitup1971 When someone says something is "generic", I hear that as something being nonspecific. If something is making an overtly direct reference to something specific, then to me that is the opposite of "generic". My point is that, while having too many direct references can be an issue, that doesn't make it "generic", because the issue is that it is being TOO specific.
I've also seen people perceive something as being specific when it's actually general. Like with OTJ I saw people claim it was trying to be Borderlands, when both it and Borderlands are drawing from the same cultural trope well and those people just aren't aware of that. Or when Eldraine was being compared to Disney, when those people were unaware those stories began as folktales and classic literature that Disney adapted.
I have similar feelings to many people in that I am not too thrilled about the flavor of this set. I’m always interested in gameplay of graveyard (and Horror) themed sets, but when I think of Innistrad compared to this, I’m just reminded of those “Flirting VS Harassment” memes. Referencing horror movies and books that were made before I was born gels a lot better with a fantasy tcg than movie franchises that are still getting sequels and reboots right now, for the most part. The movie reference that irks me most is Gremlins; couldn’t they at least have used a similar type that already has a presence in MtG? Imps maybe, or something sillier like Ouphes? Oh well, it’s hard to tell if I’m getting into grumpy old man territory at this point. I’ll probably try a few drafts to see how it plays, but I’m not very excited.
Absolutely. They still put a lot of work into their Worldbuilding, but it seems like they are afraid of running out of ideas and take a lot of risks with delving into less fantasy-adjacent themes. Still, the most tragic part about it is that the idea of the possessed house, the moth as a symbol and manifested phobias are great, but at the same time we get baseball bats, besties and cute critters.
It's almost as if they are afraid of their own creation...
DOWN WITH GRAPHICAL ART
Rite of the moth; more like RIGHT of the moth!!
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@@8BitBansheei think cuz the art the person is to the right of the moth
Ads are getting ridiculous on these videos
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23:55 hit something upside the head and it’s probably out for a bit
1:08:55 ok boomer