Thank God 4 pro wrestlin' veterans such az Dutch he kept it real AEW should hire him I'm even supa Glad he didn't defend Chris Benoit unlike da rest o da Marks
@screambloodygore5688 Is right. I have Hart's book and Dutch Mantell isnt mentioned in it once. He really lays it in on Ken Mantell though. I can confirm it isnt true. Also, he REALLY insults Tennessee wrestling as a whole, esp Jerry Jarrett and the Fullers, calling them "inbred hillbillies". He said Lawler was "the only rose that came out of that briar patch of hillbillies".
I remember absolutely despising Benoit as a kid watching wrestling. When he feuded with Rock, with Jericho, around 2000, he was the heel I hated the most, which means he was damn good. It goes without saying that he tarnished his legacy but he was a damn good heel. He didn’t have the attributes to be a babyface at all.
I remember when this happened, I wasn’t watching wrestling at the moment. Was a huge fan in the 90’s during the Monday night wars and attitude era. I was shocked to hear what he had done, as Chris Benoit was one of my absolute favorites growing up.
I've not read Gary Hart's book but I think he might of been talking about the other Mantell, Ken Mantell who took over as the booker in World Class after Gary Hart.
Hey Shannon Lush I’m from Newfoundland too… I think I remember you from ICT any chance I could buy or borrow the book from you? Lol …I’d love to read it
I borrowed Gary Hart's book from my cousin. As I recall, Hart, and this took up several chapters in the book, was absolutely furious because his trash cans (dust bins for UK readers) kept getting "messed with". Apparently, they were always getting pushed over, thrown about, and Hart was convinced they were being urinated on. Who was Hart's main suspect... Dutch Mantell.
I didn't like Benoit before it was cool. To me, he always was just some aggressive guy with a blank stare. That said, he became a monster because the wrestling style people loved him for destroyed his brain, in combination with the notoriously grueling WWE schedule. Erasing him from history is not an honorable decision, but a rather blunt way of deflecting guilt. Ok, WWE stopped treating their wrestlers like circus animals in the aftermath, turning into an average uncaring employer, but they are still far from admitting anything.
I really wonder with benoit's mental state and what the autopsy said about his brain whether he would have been found fit to stand trial or not I'm not condoning what he did and he topped it off with the ultimate act of cowardice by ending himself but had he not I'm pretty sure he'd be rooting the rest of his life in a mental institution he rightfully shouldn't be venerated he was a deeply Disturbed individual that needed help and he did horrible things in those action should not be excused or overlooked
Damn Dutch I just watched one of your old matches against Jerry Lawler from Memphis wrestling and if wrestling was like that today it would be 10 times more popular, hell of a good match!.
Not sure if somebody has suggested this before, have you considered to differentiate the shows but keep the same theme call the secondary show Question Time With Dutch Mantel?
I'll say it here now! I am of the few who can separate his work from what he did. Paul was right 3 died and 2 had no choice in the matter.....that is the sad thing, I really wish Benoit would have taken a year or so off after Eddie died! Vinnymac tried to do that, it was obvious he took this way harder than anyone else. It was very clear he needed help, and didn't get it. My favorite ladder match ever is the ic championship at the 2001 royal rumble with Jericho vs Benoit! So fucking great! I'll say, it hit me hard when I found out about this tragedy, I loved Benoit's work a lot, I respected his work to the point of finally getting in the ring myself, I've loved and been in the business, I've booked in Las Vegas, wrestled in Las Vegas, but because of what happened with his family, I just can't say he's the lowest pile of shit. I hated to see that happen when he needed so much help, but was too proud to ask or accept it. I first met Chris back in 2001 after that rumble match, such a respectful guy, Jericho too! But I'll never forget him telling me, don't be afraid of the chase, that's the fun part, be more afraid of what happens after you get there. Then told me, I'll see you on raw or smackdown one day. Ive not gotten to WWE yet but, I often wonder what it would've been like to have wrestled Chris, Eddie or Jericho? I ran into him two more times, and he remembered me, hey Gary how's it going, that's the Chris I remember.
@@ShadowAngel1860 - they were from the future! In all honesty - they were different and they were more fast paced, lighter guys, who were in many ways representative of today’s prevailing style.
@@ShadowAngel1860They were easily ahead of their time, with all of the pop culture references, winks and nods to the camera and geek fanbase. Their promo style incorporated a lot of subtle nuance you would see in videogame animations at the time. If they had been in the AEW era, they would have been taken care of very well, and incredibly over.
Wrestling fans: Chris Benoit should be lauded because even though he murdered his wife and child he could do some really good moves in a wrestling ring and that matters more than the life is a child. Also wrestling fans: Hulk Hogan should be erased from wrestling history because he said a no no word and he wouldn’t put people over.
When and where exactly did Dutch meet Benoit? Was it WCW or WWF? Benoit did not wrestle for a WCW event in Canada more but once in 1993. The WWF held three house shows in Calgary and Edmonton in 1994 and 1995. It just doesn't add up. When was Dutch supposed to have met him?
As far as Chris Benoit goes, I realize that it takes two to tango so Nancy was guilty as well but it says a lot about a person’s character if they’re willing to have an affair with another man’s wife, even if she initiates it.
In JCP at the time, how many full time singles guys COULD have held the title? Sting and Luger were too green, Windham didnt want it. The only ones I could think of would be Dusty, Magnum, Flair or Brad Armstrong..and the rumour is Flair was jealous of him. Maybe Ole, but he was insufferable enough as a booker, he'd be worse as champ.
"They sold out whether he was there or not." Yes, they did so well that they needed WWE handout money throughout virtually their entire existence to even stay in business.😂🤣
I love the podcast, and I almost always agree with Dutch. However, I have to disagree with Chris Benoit being a small guy. He was around 5’9 and 240 lbs of solid muscle. I met him in 2005. He didn’t have to be tall to be huge.
Something that never sat right in the Beniot case. How did a 5'9, 215 lbs man pull up 500 lbs on a weight machine, hold it one-handed, wrap the cord around his own neck with a noose and hang himself? It's impossible!
Dutch talks about wrestlers having the same match over and over, and i'm nobody to argue with him, buuuut...Ric Flair pretty much had the same match for 30 years! 😉
i don't believe the real chris inside was an evil person. his brain was so damaged he went over the edge violent with Nancy threatening to leave him, and take Daniel. sounds like it triggered a mental issue with selfishness: "if i can't have them, nobody will". 🙁
Hmmm. Its not just what he did to his wife and kid, its how he would haze younger wrestlers. He was not a good person. Just because his friends liked him doesnt mean he was a decent dude. Benoit was a horrible promo and almost nothing charisma. He was great in the ring but thats not what makes you a great wrestler.
What happened with Chris Benoit and his family is a tragedy but I feel like Chris was ( if you take my meaning here) already dead when he committed the act. I'm not trying to defend a heinous act and I didn't know the man, this is my subjective take on the whole thing.
Corny and the "Deathtube" stories were legendary. Dutch and Corny in the Black Beauty. 🤠 JJ Dillon would do a good deal of booking. As for Dusty... We're making major motion pictures and Sitcoms Baby!!!
As far as technical abilities, Chris was good, sure, but so was William Regal, Dean Malenko, Gangrel, and a whole slew of others that could outdo Chris in every single aspect that are never even in the conversation. Why? Because a lot of them are still alive. It’s like these awful rappers who die and suddenly become the greatest musicians to have ever lived. People do the same to Eddie. Eddie wasn’t top 10 either but he died during a white hot run so naturally people are going to say he was better than everyone…😂 he wasn’t. He was better than Chris Benoit, for sure, but the only reason I put him above Chris is because Eddie had a good look, could KIND OF talk and was at least entertaining. Back to Chris, the second reason is because of these gen z, call of duty, morally bankrupt troll kids, who’ve probably never seen ONE Chris Benoit match, thinking it’s edgy and funny calling Chris Benoit the best. And you have to be morally bankrupt to call him that btw. The fact that he murdered his own 7 year old son trumps everything he EVER did in the ring. He deserves no accolades and deserves to be buried and forgotten. And everyone wants to talk about “iT wAs cTe, iT wAs tHe ChAiR ShOtS tHatS wHy hE DiD iT!!” How do you guys think Mick Foley’s brain looks? How about Terry Funk? Jeff Hardy? Matt Hardy? Edge? Christian? Don’t talk to me about concussions and chair shots when all of those aforementioned men have taken way more than Chris yet have never murdered anyone.
@@DavidDexterMusic take Gangrel out of the equation and there’s still plenty of guys that are better than Chris in every aspect that are never mentioned in those conversations because 1. they’re still alive and 2. because praising their abilities doesn’t get a reaction.
hey james i know you'll be able to see this to ask Dutch. Ahmed Johnson said in an interview with Hannibal that you were a liar when it brought up and Hannibal had also said that "Dutch Mantel is a liar and that he left Bruiser Brody for dead in Puerto Rico" that shits crazy, he's wylin for sayin that
I don't know what happened with Benoit that made him go the way he did but I will always love what he gave us in ring And I hate that WWE pulled his content its like he never wrestled except on RUclips thats some bs
I agree. There is a lot about that whole Benoit case that does not add up to this day. There is a channel on youtube that has done multiple part deep dives into the evidence and lack thereof that people should look at if they are curious.
Love the show but James being scared to play ANY clips whatsoever is really bringing down the show. Dude you are aloud to play clips under certain conditions there’s fair use and other ways to get around copyrights. You are coming off really penny pincher like….
Can anyone confirm or deny the Gary Hart-Dutch Mantell “heat” story? I haven’t got his book and it’s difficult to find. Thanks.
Get better soon dutch.
I'm very receptive to the live show, maybe my question will get answered lol
I listened to the audiobook on RUclips.its good,don't recall anything about Dutch though.
Thank God 4 pro wrestlin' veterans such az Dutch he kept it real AEW should hire him I'm even supa Glad he didn't defend Chris Benoit unlike da rest o da Marks
@screambloodygore5688 Is right. I have Hart's book and Dutch Mantell isnt mentioned in it once. He really lays it in on Ken Mantell though. I can confirm it isnt true. Also, he REALLY insults Tennessee wrestling as a whole, esp Jerry Jarrett and the Fullers, calling them "inbred hillbillies". He said Lawler was "the only rose that came out of that briar patch of hillbillies".
I remember absolutely despising Benoit as a kid watching wrestling. When he feuded with Rock, with Jericho, around 2000, he was the heel I hated the most, which means he was damn good. It goes without saying that he tarnished his legacy but he was a damn good heel. He didn’t have the attributes to be a babyface at all.
Love your memories Dutch!
James. Get Dutch over to Manchester for a live show!
You have no idea how long ive wanted dutchs comments on this.
I still seek out and watch Chris Benoit matches. His wrestling was amazing and I wish someone had that same style these days.
I always thought he was the last guy on earth you would want to meet in a dark alley. Tougher than steel
Davey Richards did
Chris's style was so unique. There were some spots that some try but not the entire repoituar
@@williammitchell4417There was nothing unique about Benoit. He was a Dynamite Kid clone. Everything he did was copied from Dynamite.
@@GoldBawls I would have to disagree. From what I remember of Dynamite, he focused more on high spots. Chris could "ground and pound" as well.
You guys are the best! I still say Dutch should do a "word of the day "
I would 100% watch a live version of this
NEVER tired of Benoit's intensity and wrestling skills!
😳A live show?! I vote yes to that Dutch!!👍
I remember when this happened, I wasn’t watching wrestling at the moment. Was a huge fan in the 90’s during the Monday night wars and attitude era. I was shocked to hear what he had done, as Chris Benoit was one of my absolute favorites growing up.
“Dutch Mantell- Bad motherfucker baby” T shirts
I've not read Gary Hart's book but I think he might of been talking about the other Mantell, Ken Mantell who took over as the booker in World Class after Gary Hart.
We need the segment of Dutch's weekly word
48:12 and I def tune in for a live show..and thank you both for the great podcasts
The Rabid wolverine was one of the GOATs of his time.
Top of the day to all. That day shook me in 2007
Best bookers? My list: Bill Watts, Eddie Graham and Dory Funk Sr.
Hey Shannon Lush I’m from Newfoundland too… I think I remember you from ICT any chance I could buy or borrow the book from you? Lol …I’d love to read it
All I can say is R.I.P. Nancy and Daniel.
I borrowed Gary Hart's book from my cousin. As I recall, Hart, and this took up several chapters in the book, was absolutely furious because his trash cans (dust bins for UK readers) kept getting "messed with".
Apparently, they were always getting pushed over, thrown about, and Hart was convinced they were being urinated on. Who was Hart's main suspect... Dutch Mantell.
I didn't like Benoit before it was cool. To me, he always was just some aggressive guy with a blank stare.
That said, he became a monster because the wrestling style people loved him for destroyed his brain, in combination with the notoriously grueling WWE schedule. Erasing him from history is not an honorable decision, but a rather blunt way of deflecting guilt. Ok, WWE stopped treating their wrestlers like circus animals in the aftermath, turning into an average uncaring employer, but they are still far from admitting anything.
He's referring to Ken Mantell. I've read the book.
GREAT SHOW ALWAYS james romero 😍😍
Great idea
"Bad motha fucka" haha so good. Pimp praise
Definitely down for a live show....
I really wonder with benoit's mental state and what the autopsy said about his brain whether he would have been found fit to stand trial or not I'm not condoning what he did and he topped it off with the ultimate act of cowardice by ending himself but had he not I'm pretty sure he'd be rooting the rest of his life in a mental institution he rightfully shouldn't be venerated he was a deeply Disturbed individual that needed help and he did horrible things in those action should not be excused or overlooked
Damn Dutch I just watched one of your old matches against Jerry Lawler from Memphis wrestling and if wrestling was like that today it would be 10 times more popular, hell of a good match!.
Because they tried to make it look real.
I remember reading in Gary Hart’s book that he hated Tennessee wrestling and wrestlers with the exception of maybe one or two guys that he was around.
Does Dutch just suck on that cigar the whole time, Jesus christ
BRAY WYATT RIP!!!!!!
To many wrestlers die to yong!!!!!!!!
This should have been a long form show.
I'd definitely be down for a live
Not sure if somebody has suggested this before, have you considered to differentiate the shows but keep the same theme call the secondary show Question Time With Dutch Mantel?
Yes. Would like a live.
Dude, on Benoit you’re excepting worked height and lifts in the boots!
I look @ Benoit as a piece of shit human being tbh he doesn't deserve a spot in the hall of fame bc of what he did it is really unforgivable
I'll say it here now! I am of the few who can separate his work from what he did. Paul was right 3 died and 2 had no choice in the matter.....that is the sad thing, I really wish Benoit would have taken a year or so off after Eddie died! Vinnymac tried to do that, it was obvious he took this way harder than anyone else. It was very clear he needed help, and didn't get it. My favorite ladder match ever is the ic championship at the 2001 royal rumble with Jericho vs Benoit! So fucking great! I'll say, it hit me hard when I found out about this tragedy, I loved Benoit's work a lot, I respected his work to the point of finally getting in the ring myself, I've loved and been in the business, I've booked in Las Vegas, wrestled in Las Vegas, but because of what happened with his family, I just can't say he's the lowest pile of shit. I hated to see that happen when he needed so much help, but was too proud to ask or accept it. I first met Chris back in 2001 after that rumble match, such a respectful guy, Jericho too! But I'll never forget him telling me, don't be afraid of the chase, that's the fun part, be more afraid of what happens after you get there. Then told me, I'll see you on raw or smackdown one day. Ive not gotten to WWE yet but, I often wonder what it would've been like to have wrestled Chris, Eddie or Jericho? I ran into him two more times, and he remembered me, hey Gary how's it going, that's the Chris I remember.
Maybe Surge was busy with knockouts lol
Lol give him a treat killed me
When and where exactly did he meet Benoit? It doesn't add up. What year? What town???
"Jimmy has a fetish-" wasn't what I thought it was going to be, given what we know about his private life now.
When are we gonna see part 2 of Savio Vega?
Well, if there was anyone that would not have an issue with crap in someone face, it’d be Vince.
Chris Benoit was a bad ass in the ring. It's a shame his demons got the best of him.
heymans correct
Yes yes yes!!!
Did Dutch use a different name back in the early 70 in Georgia for the fuller brothers
F#%k it, we will do it Live!.. do it Live!!
I loved the new breed.
Me too - they were awesome, and they were literally ahead of their time.
@@mikes.4136 What exactly made them "ahead their time"? that's such a overused term nowadays, just like legend and underrated.
@@ShadowAngel1860 - they were from the future! In all honesty - they were different and they were more fast paced, lighter guys, who were in many ways representative of today’s prevailing style.
@ShadowAngel1860 in 1986 they claimed to be from 2002. It was a play on the Back To The Future tine travel concept
@@ShadowAngel1860They were easily ahead of their time, with all of the pop culture references, winks and nods to the camera and geek fanbase. Their promo style incorporated a lot of subtle nuance you would see in videogame animations at the time. If they had been in the AEW era, they would have been taken care of very well, and incredibly over.
Wrestling fans: Chris Benoit should be lauded because even though he murdered his wife and child he could do some really good moves in a wrestling ring and that matters more than the life is a child.
Also wrestling fans: Hulk Hogan should be erased from wrestling history because he said a no no word and he wouldn’t put people over.
👏
Fans wants to make excuses for murder
When and where exactly did Dutch meet Benoit? Was it WCW or WWF? Benoit did not wrestle for a WCW event in Canada more but once in 1993. The WWF held three house shows in Calgary and Edmonton in 1994 and 1995. It just doesn't add up. When was Dutch supposed to have met him?
Dutch Mantell Big Time Wrestling - Dallas 1/6/1978 - 1/27/1978
As far as Chris Benoit goes, I realize that it takes two to tango so Nancy was guilty as well but it says a lot about a person’s character if they’re willing to have an affair with another man’s wife, even if she initiates it.
I agree, but Sullivan even encouraged them to stay at hotels, go out together, etc. Everything about it was gross and unnecessary from top to bottom.
What are you saying? She deserved to die? Get fucked, incel.
In JCP at the time, how many full time singles guys COULD have held the title? Sting and Luger were too green, Windham didnt want it. The only ones I could think of would be Dusty, Magnum, Flair or Brad Armstrong..and the rumour is Flair was jealous of him. Maybe Ole, but he was insufferable enough as a booker, he'd be worse as champ.
5'9 is Benoit's baseball card height. Anyone who believes he was above 5'7 also believe Andre was 7'4
He had 3 “ on Eddie Guerrero.was Eddie 5’4
I stood next to Benoit and Jericho they are a lot shorter than you'd imagine.
"They sold out whether he was there or not." Yes, they did so well that they needed WWE handout money throughout virtually their entire existence to even stay in business.😂🤣
I love the podcast, and I almost always agree with Dutch. However, I have to disagree with Chris Benoit being a small guy. He was around 5’9 and 240 lbs of solid muscle. I met him in 2005. He didn’t have to be tall to be huge.
The man deserves no legacy, what he did out ways anything he did in wrestling
New breed had a car accident that ended one of their careers. Then one died
Something that never sat right in the Beniot case. How did a 5'9, 215 lbs man pull up 500 lbs on a weight machine, hold it one-handed, wrap the cord around his own neck with a noose and hang himself? It's impossible!
The entire case is ominous and the official story doesn't add up.
Gematria was related to the incident
Dutch talks about wrestlers having the same match over and over, and i'm nobody to argue with him, buuuut...Ric Flair pretty much had the same match for 30 years! 😉
go fund me for dutch to come to Canada...
The nfl took responsibility so should vince McMahon
So sick of hayman
I never liked him either.
One of the best workers ever, not an interesting character though.
Damn, ask my questions James!
i don't believe the real chris inside was an evil person. his brain was so damaged he went over the edge violent with Nancy threatening to leave him, and take Daniel. sounds like it triggered a mental issue with selfishness: "if i can't have them, nobody will". 🙁
Hmmm. Its not just what he did to his wife and kid, its how he would haze younger wrestlers. He was not a good person. Just because his friends liked him doesnt mean he was a decent dude. Benoit was a horrible promo and almost nothing charisma. He was great in the ring but thats not what makes you a great wrestler.
braindead response.
The Dynamite Kid was his idol, so what did you expect? Kid was a big piece of crap.
What happened with Chris Benoit and his family is a tragedy but I feel like Chris was ( if you take my meaning here) already dead when he committed the act. I'm not trying to defend a heinous act and I didn't know the man, this is my subjective take on the whole thing.
Bray Wyatt 🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎🛎😢
He was 5 ft 11
Corny and the "Deathtube" stories were legendary. Dutch and Corny in the Black Beauty. 🤠 JJ Dillon would do a good deal of booking. As for Dusty... We're making major motion pictures and Sitcoms Baby!!!
Chris has his place in history but I think he should be left to a name on paper and not be discussed verbally. He is Voldemort
Chris Benoit! I miss the crippler he was one the best workers that Chris Benoit
So nobody gonna talk about the text???
Chris Beniot was the reason i could stomach watching wwf in the 90s. My dream match was. Always Ron Garvin vs Chris Beniot.
You are probably the only person I've ever seen to mention Ronnie Garvin as among their favorites. Hands of Stone.Good on ya!
As far as technical abilities, Chris was good, sure, but so was William Regal, Dean Malenko, Gangrel, and a whole slew of others that could outdo Chris in every single aspect that are never even in the conversation. Why? Because a lot of them are still alive. It’s like these awful rappers who die and suddenly become the greatest musicians to have ever lived. People do the same to Eddie. Eddie wasn’t top 10 either but he died during a white hot run so naturally people are going to say he was better than everyone…😂 he wasn’t. He was better than Chris Benoit, for sure, but the only reason I put him above Chris is because Eddie had a good look, could KIND OF talk and was at least entertaining.
Back to Chris, the second reason is because of these gen z, call of duty, morally bankrupt troll kids, who’ve probably never seen ONE Chris Benoit match, thinking it’s edgy and funny calling Chris Benoit the best. And you have to be morally bankrupt to call him that btw. The fact that he murdered his own 7 year old son trumps everything he EVER did in the ring. He deserves no accolades and deserves to be buried and forgotten. And everyone wants to talk about “iT wAs cTe, iT wAs tHe ChAiR ShOtS tHatS wHy hE DiD iT!!” How do you guys think Mick Foley’s brain looks? How about Terry Funk? Jeff Hardy? Matt Hardy? Edge? Christian? Don’t talk to me about concussions and chair shots when all of those aforementioned men have taken way more than Chris yet have never murdered anyone.
Stfu he had CTE
You think Gangrel as as good in the ring as Chris Benoit? Wow.
@@DavidDexterMusic take Gangrel out of the equation and there’s still plenty of guys that are better than Chris in every aspect that are never mentioned in those conversations because 1. they’re still alive and 2. because praising their abilities doesn’t get a reaction.
hey james i know you'll be able to see this to ask Dutch. Ahmed Johnson said in an interview with Hannibal that you were a liar when it brought up and Hannibal had also said that "Dutch Mantel is a liar and that he left Bruiser Brody for dead in Puerto Rico" that shits crazy, he's wylin for sayin that
It’s Mantell with two Ls bro
lol okay thanks ill remember that next time grammar nazi
I don't know what happened with Benoit that made him go the way he did but I will always love what he gave us in ring
And I hate that WWE pulled his content its like he never wrestled except on RUclips thats some bs
There's too much doubt there. I don't think he did it.
I agree. There is a lot about that whole Benoit case that does not add up to this day. There is a channel on youtube that has done multiple part deep dives into the evidence and lack thereof that people should look at if they are curious.
I thought this was about Benoit
That popped me! Bad motherfucker 😂
Love the show but James being scared to play ANY clips whatsoever is really bringing down the show. Dude you are aloud to play clips under certain conditions there’s fair use and other ways to get around copyrights. You are coming off really penny pincher like….
no one cares