MCU Failed Falcon, Now Captain America 4 is Doomed
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- Captain America: Brave New World is almost here, and no one cares, because Marvel never invested in the character of the Falcon, Sam WIlson
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Editing this one drove the point home in a way I didn't state in the video: it was so hard to find good footage of Sam in his movies. He is barely on screen, and usually he's part of an ensemble and doesn't speak much. His total movie screen time is 30 minutes, and that includes things like him standing around while Steve and Tony argue over the Sokovia Accords, or extended fight scenes like Endgame or Civil War. Marvel just did not care about him as a character, then suddenly wanted to pretend he should take over someone else's mantle. Insane.
What's more is that Disney Marvel GAVE Bucky the redemption arc he needed but ripped it away at the 11th hour because they NEEDED to have the Black Captain America story.
I thought Falcon would've gotten a back story and arc in his TV show. So many missed opportunities.
John Walker is such a good character! I wish he would have been the new cap. He is also Kurt and Goldie's son!
@@JCLavish identity politics really do be making story worst
On a side note i kindy wanna watch it
In a so bad its Entertaining kind of way😅
It's classic tokenism by Marvel. Patronising and lazy.
I will call him Captain Falcon until Nintendo hits me with a cease and desist.
You’re playing with fire there. I got a warning text for even SAYING the word ROM, once.
@@gregowen2022 You're lucky you didn't just get shot.
Yeah the TV show is called Captain Falcon and Wolf like a Smash tournament final
@@master_samwise Or if the FALCON PUNCH! is administered.
I played too much Smash Bros.
As long as you don't call him Blacktin America. That's corny.
8:13 You knew the writers had no clue what they were doing by the fact Sam, who was established as a Veteran Counselor helping them deal with PTSD, the thing Walker is dealing with through most of the show, and Sam never ONCE offers to help him, doesn't give him advice, doesn't try to relate to him, doesn't even attempt to befriend him, instead just acts like a prick to him, beats him up to steal the shield and barely has any dialogue with him afterwards.
WOW, what a waste.
Yep, basic continuation. The MCU used to perform a decent job with this gimmick, connecting the plotlines and etc.. they are messing this up ever since Antman 2, Captain Marvel and Endgame. I know the movie is cool, fanservice festival, but the more you think about Endgame, rewatch, etc.. the worse it gets
@@RRRRRRRRR33 I think Endgame does a decent job, as long as the job is being “the end”. Could it have been better? Definitely. Was it a letdown from Infinity War? In every way. Was it a disaster? No.
Yessss thank you for bringing this up!!! Because I noticed this too!!!
No Sam was too busy trying to side with the terrorists and therapize them instead of trying to help John Walker. Makes me so angry.
Also helps break his arm moments after the man lost his best friend. That's one way to console someone.
He act like a real falcon in there
I lost faith the moment they made his journey about racism. Like the writers have no idea how to define Falcon by his own ideals, morals and principles.
Just the tried and true bullcrap "I'm black so the world is against me and I'm always punching up" trope. As a black guy, I'm getting real fricken sick and tired of seeing this used as a crutch in my fictional media. Sam and Rhodes both deserved better treatment than to be after thoughts to the conflicts of others.
I agree. I don’t know personally, but from the outside, the low expectations game looks very insulting. I believe I would get tired quick if everyone kept telling me how downtrodden I am and that I needed their help for everything.
And yeah, Rhodey got it bad too. Suddenly he’s a Skrull in a show no one watched?! This guy had a unique position having been a sort-of avenger and also government agent. I know it would be a little bit of a retread from Civil War, but they could have done something with him dealing with the balance of wanting to be a hero and having the means to do it, but also dealing with military red tape and restrictions and optics. Could have gone in a Batman or Dexter (but less murdery) direction with him having to fight crime without his superiors finding out.
@@gregowen2022One of the most annoying aspects of this tendency to always connect stories involving black people with racism is that it continues to play into the idea of us being a monolith. I am a black women and not once in my 35+ years can I think of an instance where I had issues because I was black (or a women). Yes, their are black folks who still experience racism and the like but not all of us do so why do almost all stories about us gotta somehow tie to that? You know what type of diversity I want as a black person? Diversity of narratives in stories that center around Black ppl.
It seemed really weird to me too. I get that even extremely successful black people may still experience racist treatment. But I have a hard time believing that it's such a dominant experience like this.
"I'm famous for both my world saving exploits, and being badass. But yeah, Rando mid-level bank functionary questions my ability to pay the bills because racism."
It just doesn't sound like a realistic experience.
It seems that, according to Hollywood liberals, racism is the only challenge a black man can ever face, or overcome. Well, not overcome. Because it can never be overcome just fought against and bitched about. And passed to the next generation so they can struggle against it, and bitch about it.
Falcon was a cool character before they did all that, and honestly Jon Walker wasn't a villain in that show he did nothing wrong.
I like to put it like this:
Falcon's "you need to do better senator" pushes all of the responsibility off of him. If something goes wrong, its not his fault. He gets all the power, all the kudos, all the 'yeah you tell em' with none of the burden that is supposed to come with it.
Cap's "then we'll lose together too" says 'i know its not perfect, but its what i believe and thats the price im willing to pay.' He takes responsibility and as shown from the very beginning (as a scrawny twig with a trashcan for a shield) he is willing to shoulder the burden for his beliefs. He dove on a grenade, stormed an enemy stronghold to save his friend, and crashed a plane into ice to save the world.
Cap bears the burden, falcon will pass it off to another
Omg this hit the nail on the head. I kept trying to glue together why I couldnt trust Falcon as Cap. THIS.
Cap is a scrawny kid that will jump on a granade to protect others, but we would NEVER see Sam be that selfless... Sam isnt a shield. At least I cant recall a moment of him placing himself in direct line of fire and standing tall against a enemy face to face with only ONE GOAL "the person behind me cant run from the enemy so ill take every punch or bullet for them"
Cap can be at a disatvantage but he will still give it his all. No matter what. He will lose his life - hes ok with that. As long as he saves people. Thats why Winter Soldier worked. Steve is so headstong on his morals "this person is good" that he will shut down any logic and prove it. Jumping on a granade LOGICALLY is stupid, the explosion will kill you - but to Steve is the obvious choice because it saves someone else. Not himself, but someone else. Steve will ALWAYS place others above himself. He will ALWAYS lose any sense of logic in order to save lives.
Falcon keeps calling himself a victim, but he would never agree to become a victim to save someone else. He would lecture others on not saving the victims life.
Good lord, that was put so excellently and succincly. This is EXACTLY the issue with NuSam.
Oooof, that really hits that the writers don't understand heroism.
You just racist!!! Colonizer! Season yo food! 😅
@@TheChadTI At this point, colonizer is a badge of honor. It means you actually succeeding in owning land.
NO, I'M NOT BEING SERIOUS. SHADDUP.
If Falcon and the Winter Solider simply focused on Falcon helping Bucky with his PTSD, coping with the loss of Captain America, the return of Zemo and the dark turn of Agent 13 that would have been perfect. You didn’t need the terrorism story, Wakanda, US Agent, The boat, Isaiah, etc.
Agreed. It added too much for the episodes to handle. And the audience is WAY more invested in Bucky’s redemption journey than a teenage terrorist. They could have grown the two characters together at the same time and started a new Avengers team and it could have been a glorious new start for a flailing franchise. Oh, what could have been
I would've liked if they'd focused on the terrorists and let that character development be backseat but still important like how they handled earlier movies. There's a massive threat but the avengers are fighting oh no! They could have been interesting. They could have FINALLY had a nuanced villain entity where you go 'oh yeah, I disagree with how they're acting but I get their motivation.' They tried with Thanos and boy did they miss.
The biggest screw-up was just the end of the arc
Agree 1,000%
But that requiers good writers
@@gregowen2022 I'd go a step further and say they could have also used that for Sam, as Falcon, to become the soul and leader of the New Avengers, his aerial view giving him better tactical position for coordinating the team than Steve ever had on the ground.
The “Falcon can’t get a bank loan” storyline made me roll my eyes so so hard.
That would be the equivalent of LeBron James not getting a loan. Ridiculous.
Wasn't really a storyline though was it
Why
Oh my goodness, that was unintentionally one of the funniest parts of the show. Let’s manufacture this tension about the boat and a loan and have the loan officer act in the goofiest way imaginable
He should've wrote a book like Scott.
Still stuck on the fact that Falcon couldn’t get a loan. Dude helped save the world, and fought alongside Tony Stark.. he should be a millionaire.. They just crammed in that storyline to make him look oppressed..
Right? The loan bit was so eye rolling, and then they went the extra mile and made the loan officer act like a doofus. That gag worked in the Hawkeye show because the guy in the bathroom didn’t know what Clint was going through, but the loan officer bit was so forced, it was insane
If anything it says more about Tony not having thought ahead to set everyone up with a reliable cashflow regardless of if anything happened to him/them, or the Avengers.
@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery I think folks thought your comment was not in jes lol! Good one!!
Not to mention Antman was shown to be a big hero in his area after The Avengers. How would Falcon not be seen as a god among men for saving them?
@@ninjafoxgamesgeekery WHY WOULD HE HELP SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T TRUST HIM AND HIDES IMPORTANT THINGS FROM HIM AND ALSO USES HIS MONEY TO SEARCH FOR THE MURDERER OF HIS PARENTS? They are NOT friends. Heck did anyone tell Tony about the stolen gear Antman took?
17:23 It's also stupid when you think about it. Bradley says they will never let a black man wear the stars and stripes....despite the fact War Machine, a black man who Sam is friends with literally wore the Stars and Stripes and was even tasked with guarding the President of the United States while wearing said Stars and Stripes in Iron Man 3.
But yeah let's take this obviously bitter, angry and resentful old guy at his obviously biased word
different, better times, now we HAVE to create false narratives to combat them.
Right?! The existence of Iron Patriot should have gotten the Isaiah Bradley stuff laughed out of the writer’s room
That was a Skrull.
I think, I don’t remember when they said that Rhodey got switched.
This doesn’t change anything, I just want to remind people that Secret Invasion also happened.
@ Couple things
1. Secret Wars wasn't even written when Falcon and Winter Soldier came out so that excuse is moot
2. All evidence says Rhodey wasn't replaced until Civil War, to which the Iron Patriot thing happened BEFORE that so no dice there
3. Again, the Iron Patriot thing happened before Isaiah said the whole thing, so it;'s debunked automatically.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 like I said I just wanted to remind people that Secret Invasion happened and that it said that for literal years a significant character was fake and the real one was frozen and didn’t fight Thanos or attend Tony’s funeral.
22:05 Disney seems to have a *fetish* for taking characters who are combat veterans (and also black) with really interesting and complex story potential and then just…pissing them away.
The best idea the Disney Star Wars movies have is Finn: a Stormtrooper fighting a 40 year old war who walks away from the fight and has to reckon with what he’s done, who he’s done it for, where he’s going, and who he truly is. And instead of exploring any of that, they just make John Boyega yell, “REY! REY! REY!” for 2+ movies.
Bro!! Missed opportunities all over the place
and then demoted Finn to be a "C level" sidekick to the sidekick ie Rose's little B. Remember the scene near the end of The Last Jedi when Finn was going to sacrifice himself? Rose stole that man's glory to go down in flames and redeem himself for being a stormtrooper because Rose did it out of the "power of love" or some bs. Mind you I'm not a big star wars fan but that scene pissed me off so much I have only seen The Last Jedi once in my life and that was when it was released in theaters
From the trailer, I had legitimately thought that Finn was supposed to be the main character in The Force Awakens. It thought they would have had Rey as a surprise Jedi WAY down the line but would instead focus on Finn turning into a Rebel fighter under Poe.
But instead we got the beat for beat replay fo A New Hope but with none of the charm or charisma among the cast or the story.
They could have built up Rey as a conflicted Jedi (like Anakin was) but as a side character that culminates by the 3rd movie with now established Rebel hero Finn and veteran Poe.
Exactly what I thought of first, wasted potential utterly
Finn should have been the protagonist. Rey was an abomination of a character.
I remember when I loved the MCU. Man, that was a long time ago.
They said they didn’t want toxic fans like me though, so we all left.
This 😅
Disney: “this movie wasn’t made for you!”
Also disney: “why isn’t anyone watching our movies??”
Falcon didn't need the shield to be cool. It was so obvious that the shield needed to go to Bucky and that he would use it as a tool to write his wrongs, help come to terms with things, and in the end forgive himself for his past.
How they managed to screw this entire thing up so badly is beyond me.
Because they're taking from the comics, with all their modern day rot.
The amount of studio meddling in Endgame had to be off the charts
Oh cool, was he going to self publish or did he have a publisher already lined up?
@@LordTyphBucky was Captain after Steve Rogers assassination in Civil War(2007). Check out “Captain America: Reborn” if you’re interested in it
Bucky was Captain America in the comics@@LordTyph
Sam Wilson wasn't born anywhere. He didn't grow up anyplace or ever do anything before joining the army. He has no friends other than Steve Rodgers, no girlfriend or boyfriend. Doesn't have a favorite bar. No hobbies. We know more about the mysterious Phil Colson than Sam.
Answering these questions is writing 101 and you only need to know this by graduating elementary school, that's just sad they didn't answer them.
Blame that on Marvel.
Old mainstream comic books have always been either racist or superficially tackling the "race issue" anyway...
And now MXU's just following suit...why?
Cos the audience can't handle it...they just wanna be ENTERTAINED..but would complain if the stories don't got issues to tackle...
They want "difficult" issues to be presented just enough...but so much that it would make them uncomfortable...
Most audience and fanboys just want compromised stuff, basically, tho they say they don't.
Tbf Phil Coulson was expanded in Multiple Seasons of an Entire Spinoff show, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon AND a couple games💀
Bro was essentially just the HELP when he was alive in the MCU😭.
@@no.1spidey-fan182 falcon-cap has been in like six movies and had a Streaming show. It's not a completely unfair comparison.
Wait so you didn't watch the show?
As a black person, I must be doing something wrong nby being happy with life and not angsty.
Noooooo you cannot be happy!! You MUST feel sad and angry for being oppressed 😂😂
Sam Wilson is also happy with this life
Sam represents one thing. Complete loyalty. He and Bucky served the same role for Cap. The undyingly loyal friend.
Which is why their frenemy dynamic in Civil War was so great. The old best friend has to get along with the new best friend.
They should've kept Bucky and Sam as an Odd Couple pair after End Game... but they were dead-set on promoting Sam simply because he checks the DEI box.
Yeah, them as a team was great. They really had fun chemistry, and it would’ve made for interesting developments. Sadly, you are correct that they decided to reduce Sam to a mere token and move Bucky to the SuiBolts Squad. What a waste of potential in these new phases
Also, because comics... though it doesn't really help to point that out either.
I always imagined the two of them doing evaluations for Avengers candidates and after No Way Home, they don't remember Peter Parker, but they do remember they don't like Spider-Man due to the airport fight, so they essentially pass on him based on that.
I'm sure they'll meet again!@@gregowen2022
I love the fact that bad writing accidentally gave us a great character in Walker. It's funny that Steve Rogers offed plenty of people in brutal fashion and brought down multiple helicarriers over a densely populated area, but I'm supposed to hate Walker for eliminating a serum-enhanced terrorist who just tried to help someone murder him, and who helped kidnap and murder his friend? No.
Right?! The accidental success of Walker against the obvious wishes of the writers is pure comedy. I would watch a Walker solo film, and I think I’m far from the only one
@gregowen2022 I'm up for a Walker solo film. I hope they do him justice in Thunderbolts.
This is actually one of the couple of reasons I am cautiously interested in Thunderbolts. How will they write the Walker character with this second shot?
@@Camurgladius Same here. I liked Wyatt Russel's performance, and the potential that Falcon And Winter Soldier accidentally gave Walker makes me tepidly optimistic that in the right hands something amazing can come out. Not holding my breath that the MCU will pull it off, but of all their current projects on slate for release this year Thunderbolts has piqued my curiosity the most.
Walker was great. He utterly overshadowed Captain Falcon by being interesting. His arc about trying to be worthy of the shield and struggling should have been Sam's, in my opinion. Sam was basically a supporting character in his own freaking show! Baron Zemo got more damn character development than Sam! It was sheer idiocy!
Never send a side character to do a main character’s job.
💯✅
Exactly
1970s-80s comics Falcon was so cool. He was a street-level hero like Spider-Man & Daredevil were then, who had an almost obsessive community focus, so much so that he often argued with other Avengers & heroes about their lack of such community service. I miss that character, he was fiery & motivated with a strong sense of civic duty. Truly inspiring, with potential for grittier street-level stories that perhaps could include a bit more realistic than your standard Hulk vs Abomination fist-fight.
Yeah, I think the MCU really dropped the ball with Falcon - I miss the guy who actively railed against when he was drafted into the Avengers because of their government liaison's forced affirmative action.
I read marvel snapshot a long time ago and I felt it accomplished what this show failed.
By showing victims of the mad bomb, the consequences of cap’s failure, the racial implications, the cycle of abuse, and a healthy message of we need people who will fix what’s destroyed just as much as we need the people who stop the villains.
I did not realize how much I needed a completely unexpected Strong Bad reference in my life. You're doing God's work Greg.
I’m so glad enough people get it. Oh baby, look at for more Homestar now! Such good times
Wow I just realized open source Greg lost weight and straightened his hair.
It would've been so much more interesting if falcon and the winter soldier was about falcon and bucky dealing with zemo. They could've made the story a five man band, sam and bucky being the hero and lancer, sharon as the heart, Us agent as the big guy and make Lemar a smart guy instead of just a friend who gets killed, he couldve had some personality. Then they have an argument when Lemar dies and they fight. Us agent going berserk about his dead friend wouldve been more impactful if bucky was in charge of him and told him to stand down. Then they have to apprehend him for not following orders. Im just spitballing here, but it could've been so easy to make a better show with the material they had.
Even The MCU knows it... They just gotta release it and take L
Yep, a lot of their stuff has been that way lately. They could only delay the projects started in the 2019 era for so long until they just have to hold those Ls
100%. They're gonna take what they can get and cut their losses.
@@gregowen2022 I'm replying off topic, but I want to reply directly to a comment so I know you see it:
Kudos to you for inclusion of The Critic.
Ironically Sam could actually have branched out and become his own character had Marvel not decided to make him Steve Rodgers' leftovers
I noticed something people leave out. The Thaddeus Ross aka Red Hulk, is the United States President! The president becomes a city crushing rage monster...
There's a message in there somewhere. Though I'm too stupid to get it .
Hahaha, the conjecture is that there was a time when he was a bit more…. Orange
@gregowen2022 honestly it wouldn't surprise me if that was a actual line in this movie 😅
Did Rosie O'Donnell write this?
I think the problem is a lack of "leveling up", getting the Shield is cool and all, but he exists in the same world as Nano-Tech ironman, and dude is running around barely armored with metal wings, and Archangel he is NOT.
There's like 6 major avengers who can fly, he can't even fly the fastest, he just lacks anything he's particularly the best at, they didn't even give him the Super Soldier Serum.
Notice how bro had to be given like mad items to his kit and he STILL doesn't stand out... hilarious
Well I mean he does have Vibranium wings😂. Tbh though your point is moeso a problem with the suprhero genre as whole, well mainly Marvel and DC. The reasons the writers can't allow these characters to age...is cause they'll be replaced by characters who DON'T stand out cause the older ones ALREADY DID that so why take the risk to replace them?
So they might as well keep the older MORE popular ones cause that means MORE MONEY. The suprhero genre is practically the WORSE one to drag on this long because theres only sooooo many superpowers available
I mean seriously how many reality warpers, strong flying womn who shoots beams and rich smartguy with tech can there be under ONE brand!??💀😭 How tf does Flash not solve EVERY problem the world has, sam thing with Superman along with all their copies?
As much as I like Marvel and DC they have been REDUNDANT for DECADES. Which is why Marvel was going BANKRUPT and WB is currently on the brink of Bankruptcy. These characters are shallow at best cause theres MULTIPLE interpretations of them in the SAME universe who damn near ALL act DIFFERENTLY
@ a reason Manga is superior, its usually a single story, from a single writer, and it builds up.. and then ends, there are exceptions but still, its baffling Hollywood hasn't adapted many of them.
@@keithfilibeck2390true, but you’re comparing Hollywood to Bollywood. The Japanese industry is way bigger and has fierce major competition, the American industry is smaller and dominated by 2 companies who do the same things. You can find great “manga style” American comics, they’re just not as popular or mass produced
The whole franchise from Winter Soldier onwards felt like it was building up towards Bucky's redemption and taking up the shield, and then there's this hard swerve to the guy who has just been kinda chilling in the background. Also I'm sorry but Anthony Mackie is an absolute void of charisma. He is the biggest ball of nothing I've ever seen, he actually manages to somehow have less presence than Scarjo.
At least Black Widow was hot and had cool stuff to do especially in endgame and infinity war. She was a character and not a propaganda piece by some idiot writer
Yeah, I was going back looking for movie footage for editing b-roll, and Sam is standing around a LOT. It reminded me just how jarring the Endgame shield pass was, like where on earth did this come from?!
Bucky is just cooler, he was a cool villain, his redemption is cooler, he has the same powers as Steve+Mech arm, he was the right choice, and they purposefully passed him over.
@@keithfilibeck2390 Bucky couldn't possibly be Captain America, he's not the right color for modern Hollywood's obsessions with skin color and who people boink. At least they didn't give it to Taika Waititi's side piece, they just gave her the throne of Asgard instead.
Bucky taking the shield would've made more sense.
"It happened in the comics" isnt a defense when it's the dame company ruining both
And when those comics don't sell, they should take the hint.
It also shows a lack of understanding of comics. Retcons and reboots, while cleaning up stuff in general so that there is a new “on” point, tend to get rid of things that aren’t well-received. The New 52, outside of Batman, for example, didn’t get a great reception, so when DC did the Rebirth reboot, it was only that Batman stuff that was still largely canon.
Saying 'it happened in the comics' more tells you how bad they're doing.
It’s honestly a bad argument in general. Because “the comics” is very broad and can therefore include anything that happened in any comic. Captain America is a werewolf. Batman uses a gun. And all the times someone kills the marvel universe.
Also wasn't Bucky Captain America in the comics too? So they can't even use that excuse. 😑
Edit: "The Death of Captain America", also known as "The Death of the Dream", is an eighteen-issue Captain America story arc written by Ed Brubaker with art by Steve Epting and published by Marvel Comics.
Yep, here it is. Alex Ross even drew art of Bucky as Captain America. 🤦🏽♀️ I'm so annoyed at the modern MCU.
I rewatched a bunch of the old MCU films (pre infinity war) recently. MAN they were so good especially the first two Captain America films (3 was good, but was really just Avengers 2.5).
They really were. People point out a few duds or low spots, like Venko, but overall they were tight, emotional, and tons of fun. It might be rose-colored glasses, but I genuinely miss the excitement and conversations about the next MCU thing in a given year. Catching the easter eggs, theory-crafting, making predictions. It was such a great time.
@@gregowen2022 The point of a beautiful thing is not that it lasts forever.
Sam was introduced as inferior to Steve Rodgers , with his first scene being him constantly getting lapped on a tractfeild.
I am more disappointed than angry at this. I really love Anthony Mackie. I recently checked out Twisted Metal and he was excellent in that series. And he's solid in a lot of indie films and shows. But Falcon and the Winter Solider was utter garbage. Folks will say Loki or WandaVsion is the worst MCU show but Falcon and the Winter Solider assassinated Sam as a character and Bucky. It's handling of politics which are inconsistent with the world of the MCU and creating a sympathetic strawman in John Walker, it's a series that enraged me with its incompetence. Especially doing a mantle swap; one that wasn't setup very well.
Bucky was meant to be Cap. That's what the trilogy was alluding to but thank you modern All new All Different Marvel for messing that up. And really, that's my issue with mantle passes. Unless, it is well written like Zorro or Spider-verse, the fact that Sam has to ditch Falcon because it is an inferior name is insane. Falcon was the first African American character in Marvel comics. That was Sam's role and he owned it. And he was awesome in the MCU up until Falcon and the Winter Soldier.
Marvel could have done a Falcon movie. Made him get a promotion and a unique set of powers(imagine a sixth sense that enabled him to dodge and react to danger and he could use it in conjunction with his wings/ flying?) and actually focus on following Steve's example of being the best hero he could. But nope. We had to do clunky modern day politics that makes zero sense and clearly a film that was going to be Orange, I mean red man bad.
Not realizing stuff like that dates your movie. And especially given a specific election that just recently happened and attitudes towards America are shifting, I can see why Marvel is panicking right now.
So in the eyes of Falcon, you gotta do better, Marvel.
Yup, that show torpedoed his likeability. The man treated a fellow Veteran who only tried to help him and Bucky like a scumbag but chose to use kid gloves and offer sympathy to a violent, unhinged and selfish terrorist who murdered innocent people because she and her collection of idiots didn't want to hand over the free stuff they were given during the blip.
Yep, it was a failure on every level, and it’s kind of impressive when you stand back and look at the scope of their screw-up here. Having Sam be the new leader of the Avengers with Captain Bucky at his side would have been a great start, and I love the idea of him having a spider sense power.
@@gregowen2022 Right?! The idea of Sam being Falcon, you could even make him Captain Falcon(insert Smash bros joke here) and having him want to follow in Steve's example would have been great.Also, a sixth sense would have made sense, because Sam didn't need the shield for combat. He had the wings. We saw him using those wings in Civil War for defense and offense, alongside guns. Any competent storyboard artist could have made some neat action sequences with him using the wings. Because I get his talking with birds is very strange and I doubt that would have worked; so something that allows him to make use of his wings and agility makes the most sense.
You can even say that this is a byproduct of a modified super solider serum and make that apart of the series and whether Sam wants to take it.
It's funny that I never realized this. Thought Falcon was around a lot more than he was, but yeah he really wasn't. He was introduced in the Winter Soldier, but actually wasn't in it that much.
Really does become bizarre that they had him take on Captain America's title. He was a reasonably well liked character, but he was a side character. Bundles of potential, but they didn't do anything with that. A good guy that helped Steve out when he needed an ally, but never an absurdly well developed character. He helped out because that's what you do when freaking Captain America asks for help. Great abilities on their own without needing a vibranium shield and if they handled him well he could have been a solid part of the MCU's future.
This movie is just going to struggle since people don't really have a connection to Sam. At least not enough to see him not even being Falcon.
Had they kept him as Falcon and continued to develop the character, they'd have made all the money by now.
Agreed. They forgot about him, tried to rush him into the spotlight, but gave him Steve’s leftovers, and then made him insufferable. How do they fumble like this?
@@gregowen20221.) OMG, Greg replied to my comment.
2.) They are just THAT bad at what they do. Like the saying goes: never attribute to malice that which you can attribute to incompetence.
3.) Look at how they slept on Hawkeye. They blue balled us by letting us know that in the interim between movies, he's pulled a Charles Bronson and has been going all Death Wish on international organized crime. Where *TF* was *that* movie?!
@@dougsmith6262 can you imagine the box office for the MCU John Wick?
How do you *miss* that? Sheer incompetence.
I'm pretty sure they'd still find a way to ruin him, make him come out as trans or get a female sidekick that beats him up and takes over his movies, same things they do on just about every project these days.
@@bricelory9534 TAKE. MY. MONEY.
I've got a soft spot for B and C tier superheroes. You elevate them by maintaining their mantles and giving them good stories.
Mantles almost never work it if you mean successor characters taking them. The only big ones I think are genuinely great are like Miguel Ohara Spider-Man and Wally west flash. They ALWAYS have dumb problems and feel contrived and like they’re just a budget copy made for no real reason, or if there is an obvious reason it’s never the right one. Wally West even suffers from this, but overcomes it as he’s a unique character and the story reasons make sense. Him being there with those same powers already also helped. Miguel Ohara completely dodges issues by being entirely different in origin and personality, and him being so far away in time and being a scientist trying to replicate powers for super soldiers made him gaining spider powers that aren’t like Peter’s AND are gained in a different way makes him my favorite successor of all time, he’s also just a really cool character in his own right. His suit looking so unique also helps him. The movie version sucks tho. Compared to the other spider powered people he’s unmatched in uniqueness and feeling like he really would be a successor to Peter as despite his almost opposite everything he still has the core “great power” mindset. He’s not some run of the mill spider bite gives me the same powers but oh look I got an extra one for no reason, he feels unique and real. I’m not even sure you meant that, but I’m so sick of the random successors that are only done to pander, because they’re boring and ruin suspension of disbelief. And yes, even miles has this issue, though he has gotten better over time with solid stories (though most of them are just Peter Parker stories so what’s the point), he still sucks in comparison. Point being, Falcon has the same issues, and he was already his own hero. He didn’t need to be captain America, and why he is captain America is obvious and hurts the story on its own, but as said in the video, the writing could’ve made it bearable and he is unique enough to work, but he doesn’t. I dunno if you did mean this or if my random tirade will matter to anyone, but this stuff has annoyed me for a long time and I think this movie will hopefully get people to see the issues and stop doing it.
Kinda hilarious that Captain Falcon is doing commercials right now....the exact reason he would never need a bank loan.
He recently shot himself in the foot saying “captain America doesn’t represent America.” WHAT!??
Irrelevant
NO, u fail to understand the character remember n civil war when cap broke the law n fought against Uncle Sam b4 i say anything else i do not like cap he’s too boy Scott goody goody i could nva do wrong type character but he is bigger then America or the idea of America he isn’t just super Uncle Sam he represents being a good person not a good soldier or just a good Uncle Sam captain America represent doing the right thing all the time even when “big brother” says other wise
No he represents what America is suppose to be. He fights for what right for the greater good for the citizens of our country. America is a country filled with free citizens the government is not the full representation of us. So yes Captain AMERICA is a representation of American qualities and virtue@@Ssjgeek
@@Ssjgeek exactly he represents it's people
@@Kyrid and America is supposed to b full of good people being a good person isn’t American exclusive I agree with u but I don’t think it’s about America it’s about being a good person and thts what captain stands for thts what he represents yes Americans should b good people so yes he represents American people but I just dnt think it’s about America but I hear yur point for sure like I said I dnt even fw captain so 😂
I used to buy 30+ tickets and take the whole company to every MCU release on opening night. Now I can't wait to miss this one.
Screw your company they do need your money
All I care about is the Red Hulk battle. If it's really five minutes long as rumored, I'll watch it on social media.
It's only 5 minutes long tops. You tell that just looking at the trailer.
I think there are going to be a LOT of angry people leaving the theater before that word gets out widely
It should be over in about 2 seconds, he doesn't have powers and would get crushed in that suit. How much you want to bet he's going to grab Falcon and just throw him a short distance away instead of defeating him when he has the chance?
Not even 1 minute, this battle doesn't make any sense even for comics standards. If this movie somehow stretches this fight for 5 minutes, imagine how goofy it will look?
Bucky was so weak in Falcon and Winter Soldier. He let himself get punched by some weak jack ass terrorists, because why? Just pathetic.
Whole show about him becoming a better man and atoning for his sins and you crying cuz he got punched
Classic modern writers: write established characters to self-sabotage to make your political pawn seem better.
You do a great breakdown and explanation as to why the execution is bad. I also think most people complaining about him can't articulate it as well as you did. I keep hearing people say "Steven Rogers is Captain America and no one else" or "Peter Parker is Spider-Man and Miles Morales is Miles Morales" and most those people can't explain why the mantle change doesn't work other than "This hero will always be this character." I'm sure most those people aren't angry about the mantle changes with The Flash. For many people, Wally West from the 2000s cartoon is the real The Flash, and for others it's Barry Allen from the CW show. And lots of people consider them both The Flash. I think you nailed it by explaining that the execution of the mantle change had no effort, and Sam Wilson was never given any real depth to become a main character.
The MCU worked to show that Steve Rogers was Captain America even without the shield, and then Sam is going to become Captain America by
... getting the shield?
Also... The System Is Down. Nice.
Definition of insanity is: Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.
This actually isn't the definition of insanity
HOLY MOLY! Your commentary and insight is so deep and absolutely INCREDIBLE! Disney should hire you as a consultant for future MCU projects to help with character development, themes and plot.
Well done! I just subscribed.
If it’s true that Red Hulk is in it for 5 minutes, can Disney be sued for false advertising? Because the marketing makes him seem like a key player in the story.
The Incredible Red Cameo.
@ That’s what my wife called her period. HEYOOOOO!
better argument for "it happened in the comics" is that the comics failed miserably, and where the Canary and coal mine for the terrible ideologies and ideas and lack of talent we see in the films.
Yeah it’s been happening in the comics for years, it started before the mcu iirc. However I do think he’s right about the comic falcon thing, we’re literally seeing it happen to the X-Men. A long running and really good storyline about them living on Krakoa abruptly and poorly ended to send them back to the mansion in preparation for the MCU. If you ever see a dumb thing happen in the comics within a few years of it happening in the movies it is without a doubt a change made to synergize with the comics imo. It happens fairly often and it’s annoying as hell, because like with the X-Men it usually hurts good content
You being a Kendrick fan completely aligned with how I see you🤣🤣 I loveeeee that!!!!!!
Listening to Murals at the gym is a severe safety hazard. That one will make you think you can bench press a car, no problem
How do you express disappointment to a cultural industry that pretends that your opinion and business aren’t wanted or needed. It’s almost surreal watching these companies pretend they aren’t drowning.
Sam was simply Steve Roger's Redwing. Sidekicks are just that.
Fun fact: Redwing was an actual bird in the comics.
Don't forget, they also want you to see bucky move on from being the winter soldier, but they themselves at the end of the show, show the title change from "the Falcon and the Winter soldier." To "Captain America and the Winter soldier." Kinda just screaming at us the didn't really put much thought into these issues
This is an excellent analysis, I hadn't realised there was such a disparity between what they wanted us to think now and what they have been doing/showing us.
Thank you very much!
Not accurate
1:09 "later a drone..." I am still not over how they did Redwing dirty. WHat wounds cooler? An actual organic FALCON BIRD who is your sidekick who flies with you as well as having a telepathic link with you (see Super Hero Squad for details) and probably has a personality of his own and can even interact with other characters of his own free will (see episode 2 of Avengers United They Stand for details... even if its.. not of the best shows... Sidenote, I shipped Falcon & Tigra so hard!)... OOOOORR a boring drone that comes out when it's needed?
Also doesn't help when Anthtony Mackie, the guy they are building up as Captain America....says he feels like Captain America shouldn't represent America.....How tone deaf do you have to be to make a statement like that?
I don't think you understand the whole statement
@@isaacnoelflores4744 If you're referring to him clarifying after he gave that statement, that doesn't fly. He likely was told to say that to cover his ass.
If that's what he actually meant he should've been able to explain that while on stage while making the statement.
I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt that he just fumbled it and was trying to say that Cap is MORE THAN JUST a symbol of America, he’s a moral ideal, but yeah, the damage is done and he sounded bad
I *think* I know what he was trying to say, and I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm not giving the writers the benefit of the doubt, so I'm not seeing it. But not because of him.
@@gregowen2022I think it is a Freudian slip
13:44 As a Nigerian, i just wish westerners woukd stop with this😔 Most of is normal black people just want to enjoy fiction and escapsism *DEVOID OF REAL-WORLD IDENTITY POLITICS* Why do they keep doing this?!
Imagine if in the show the government had taken the shield by force saying he didn’t have the right “look” to be Captain America. Not feeling worthy in the first place and the obvious racism insinuated he doesn’t put up a fight. The show could have been an exploration of what made captain America…Captain America. With Bucky helping him gain the confidence to take up the shield. What makes Steve Rogers Captain America is his honesty, humility, self sacrifice, unshaking morality, ability to command and loyalty to the American people above all else. Sam doesn’t show those qualities. They could have demonstrated him showing each of those qualities over the series. But no instead the only one that feels worthy is Buckie
Why though? Why do we have to make it about black man sees a racism?
That’s exactly what happened in the show
Another bad part about him being Cap is he literally hands the shield off immediately after he gets it.
He didn’t feel worthy of the position
@0kdevv_ And that's fair, but he couldn't trust Cap's opinion. Didn't even try. I personally wasn't against him being Cap till the poor writing of his show and that initial choice. This is just my opinion, though.
One of several huge misjudgments that MCU execs had was assuming people cared about "mantles" over characters. When Spider-Man starting becoming new Iron Man, people were getting annoyed, but hey it was the first so we tolerated it, and Peter was a fun character even though him controlling billion-dollar tech made absolutely no sense. But not a single passing of the mantle has led to any compelling character, and has all but removed any sense of character development for the new guys. The expectation seemed to be that the character development would pass down with the hero name, or something - like we as an audience were stupid enough to asdume that just because Steve Rogers had gone through struggles that whomever he handed his shield to would also have learned the same lessons, as if they were imbued into the shield or something.
It's all so wasteful, arrogant, and absolutely foolish.
Totally agree, plus lazy. Why write a whole new character intro when you can slap on a mantle and call it a day? Then just sit back and watch the mone- …. Oh. Oh no.
The name's Sam
Sam who?
Sam... Skywalker
It's tough to hit the nail on the head, but I'm suspecting after all the reshoots, it will be close to 280 to 300 million million for the total budget. Which means after marketing is included it'll land somewhere in the neighborhood of the 420 to 450 million. Which means it'll need 840 to 900 million to break even. I see them losing close to 200 to 300 million on this. Again, it's tough, because Disney isn't being very transparent.
Best part of the video 11:32
I won’t use double entendre, because I want you to feel this….. I can’t stop listening to it
Bucky also becomes Captain America in the comics after the Civil War storyline. I'm fine with them just using the comics as inspiration and then writing a good story around that, but you have to WRITE A GOOD STORY around that for it to work. The comics made Peter trade his relationship with MJ to save Aunt May, they're not all home-runs, but making everything about racism for the POC characters and making everything about sexism for the female characters is lazy writing.
And yes, I'm still pissed about that moment in Endgame where all the female characters happened to be in the same shot at the same time. As a woman, that's insulting. What, were they all going to the bathroom? Nobody likes being pandered to.
I recently found out that Red One, the bird, was turned into a vampire in the comics. Comic Falcon has a vampire bird that he is physically linked to.
Good work, subbed
There is no way this movie is making back the alleged 400 million dollar budget after the heavy changes and reshoots. Black Panther back in 2018 made gangbusters because it spoke to a black audience in addition to the core MCU audience. Now unfortunately both of those audiences have been alienated by the current MCU
I mean, I was alienated by that movie because they literally made this advanced civilization a racist African stereotype with technology but yeah.
So, basically, rather than develop their awesome diverse badass Superhero in Falcon (Sam Wilson), they decided to make him into another token bait-and-switch? And also ruined the clear set-up pf Bucky's redemption as Captain America?
6:43 Okay, +100 awesomeness for the Strong Bad techno. 😂
17:33 Even if "the struggle is real" and you wouldn't know it because you're white, or whatever, this is still a storytelling medium, so they still have to communicate it to the audience.
I think this series was the last Marvel series I watched. I was looking forward to it mostly for Bucky. But they not only destroyed Sam, but Bucky, too. This series was the reason he was dubbed Blackain America, because of all the black identity bs he spouted. And Bucky's fun identity quirt was his robotic arm kept falling off. Wtf? Everyone knows Bucky was the one it should have been passed too. He's atleast considered a super soldier. This movie with Falcon vs. Red Hulk is going to be an absolute joke. No way in hell would I watch that!
Agreed. Not only have the characters been spectacularly mishandled, I’m betting you will almost be able to see the stitches between scenes where they tried to hack in different ideas
Back in the day, we call this a straight to VHS movie, and expect to pay £2 to hire it and watch with a curry on a quiet night when there was nothing on the telly worth watching....no way would I be paying cinema ticket money for this.
I immediatepy reconized that Strongbad song. We're old Greg.
I like the analysis perspective that this was to be a political commentary on "Orange Man bad, and we're rid of him forever" - until of course, he won again, then the reshoots were a scramble to not turn Orange Man into Red Hulk. Like Agatha, Acolyte, and other Disney trash, that can't pay me enough to watch it when it drives to streaming.
The only movies that will even have a chance of not flopping is the fantastic four purely because of Dr. Downey Doom
I think he’s going to be a big draw, but is he a big part of it? I thought I heard he wasn’t even fully in it.
I know it’s going to be a trashy popcorn flick, but I do think Thunderbolts might be fun for the first viewing. That’s not high praise, but it’s more than I can say for the last several movies
26:10 about the only thing that gets my wife excited anymore is Sebastian Stan. That's her hall pass. I don't think she's going to watch this movie
I see on your bookshelf that you have the exact same edition of Lord of the Rings in paperback that I do!!! They have given many hours of enjoyment through the years...
This was simply fantastic.
I am so glad I found the channel.
That show redeemed US Agent more then set up falcon as Captain America
Brave New World? I should be calling it Brave New Turd. Hell, Mackie pulled a Rachel Zegler ☠️
How are they going to convince me a regular guy with a shield and a jetpack can beat a Hulk?
Not planning on seeing it. There is a dull energy that they have given characters since the old team that are just so flat recently that I have no drive to see them any more until hopefully a good heartfelt writer takes over.
Mcu is dead for me, I have no interest on watching anything of it. I prefer watching you talk about ir. 😂
Hey, if they are going to make these lemons, I appreciate you showing up to my little lemonade stand
Holy crap! Ypu totally got me with that the system is down reference.. showing our age Greg!
I dunno about Captain America 4, but I just saw Sonic 3 yesterday and that shit rocked. I honestly can't wait for Sonic 5 and we haven't got Sonic 4 yet.
Sonic was so much fun. It was so great that it kind of made me rethink how I approach reviews, because I am able to identify serious flaws with the movie, and yet I actively do not care. It’s simply fun and I enjoyed the heck out it!
It's one of the only movie series where each sequel gets better than the last. Sonic
@gregowen2022 Hell yeah, I even rewatched it tonight and loved it even more than the first time around. Other than one or two scenes that interrupted the pacing, and some cringe, it was a really tight and iconic experience, more so than the last two, which I was a bit more mixed on.
Not sure what this has to do with Captain America 4, but why talk about movies no one's looking forward to?
@arjuna6224 The comeback the franchise made, when by all accounts it should've failed, will be studied in decades to come.
@@dutch_asocialite yeah
18:13 You can disagree with their methods or dislike their message, but that doesn't change the fact that it resonates with young men because it's about the young men not being beholden to victimhood politics & improving themselves. If you think you could do a better job, Gary, then stop criticizing them and actually address their arguments because you've already displayed that you agree with them majority of the time
Because he was never supposed to inherited the shield. It was bucky development. And they just shove him in there.
Yes yes, it did happened in comic.
But it really doesn't goes well in the MCU narrative. In long run maybe. But suddenly? No
18:13 Those guys may be repulsive, but what they say is largely and absolutely correct. I'm more concerned about the message, rather than whether or not I like the person delivering it. Tim Pool, for example, and even President Donald Trump.
This basically summed up my thoughts on the movie when it was first announced. Falcon was a 'fun' ancillary character, but he was far from main character material. Then you throw in the mess of FAWS and the heavy reliance on identity politics and warped morality. It was DOA a long time ago. All of these projects that were spinoffs of the original MCU crew were really bad ideas. No one wanted any of these characters to take a back seat to their lesser counterparts. No one wants to see a black, teenage, better-than-Tony-Star Ironheart, or I-kind-of-just-figured-it-out quickly female Thor or She-Hulk. About the only 'next in line' character that was done well was Kate Bishop. Why? Because she had a background story that didn't beat you over the head, she actually had to learn under the original hero (Hawkeye) and she has a reverence for that character and actually cares about him. She's not just showing him up from the jump and reminding him how better at this she is - because she isn't. So, her character is relatable, likeable, admirable, and you want her to succeed. Kinda like - Steve f'n Rogers. The guy that weighed a buck twenty-five and got his ass beat and mocked, but didn't change a bit when he got his power because he was a great person. Something admirable. Something to look up to. What of ourselves do we see in Sam Wilson? Well, originally, he was just a normal dude. He had issues, a noble profession, he was helpful and a good friend to Steve. He was able to translate his pilot skills into becoming the Falcon and all was cool. Then, suddenly, out of nowhere - RACISM! I'm supposed to believe that one of the Avengers can't get a loan. That he *isn't* being hailed as a hero and isn't a major celebrity. Why? Because racism, I guess? He can suddenly fling the shield around like Steve, without any super strength, and his favorite hobby is lecturing Senators about calling terrorists, terrorists. Yeah, can't relate.
Oh no, not the Trapper Keeper!!
"The system. Is down."
He's become less Falcon, who was a good character, and more Captain Hand Puppet for the writers' own version of therapy.
The MCU can be used to track the changes of cultural values and norms over the last two decades for both audiences and the insular culture of Hollywood and writers.
Imagine if the shield went to Bucky and he starts going too far and he’s bringing the rest of the avengers with him but Falcon is hesitant. Then after doing something dark, Cold War style, he just willingly hands it to Falcon who as the amazing medic/counselor has been there for both of them.
He’d seen the grand but old fashioned ideas of Cap, the honor and duty, from winter soldier he learns violence and now he uses both very carefully?
I don’t hate Falcon becoming Captain America because I was a medic in the wars. I would just like to see the character growth and think that might have been a better way to do it.
6:49 I love the use of Strong Bad email Tecno you threw in there. Instant like button power move
That was hands down the most honest, factual, intelligent, measured and informative review/prediction/analysis I’ve ever seen!
Well done for unapologetically tackling the failures of the writers to do right by an otherwise well crafted character that could have been better developed.
Bravo 👏🏾👍🏾👌🏾 and thank you!
It's Private Moldova now.
Shawty is Phat!!!! Just found your channel and it's awesome!
Hitting on the 'it's in the comics' argument - yes, many of these newer MCU productions were based on actual comic book runs and storylines. However, if you actually look at the success of said comic book runs and storylines, you'd quickly realize that they were utter FAILURES from a business standpoint. See if this seems familiar: they attempted to garner a new audience and went against everything that their existing audience wanted/enjoyed. I know it's been said to death, but Marvel/Lucasfilm, have lived the 'Go woke, Go broke' mantra. I can only hope that these last few movies and shows are just them clearing out the cupboard and they are actually making real changes in the background.
Oh man, the Homestar Runner reference was phenomenal. Well done
Love your work, sir! This is absolutely on point, as usual. I would absolutely kill for a Winter Soldier solo film…whereas this particular film will absolutely die at the box office.
YES! I would be first in line for a full Winter Soldier/White Wolf story. Sadly, I never got my Natasha and Clint buddy cop team origin, either
I just wanted to say... "have their greens and eat them too" is a fantastic play on words.
My concern was they had to display The Red Hulk immediately in the trailers to get people to hopefully want to see the film ….why show this if Disney didn’t have a good solid script? It would have been better to surprise the audience with the hulk ….this is troubling at best to me
Name one marvel movie with no villains in the trailer
Bucky as Cap would have made ALLLLLLL the sense. One of the most compelling and popular characters in the MCU, who is a supersoldier, has history with both the shield and its original wielder, and needs to complete his redemption arc. (And also, the thought of Bucky in an all-black Cap suit makes me pleasantly shiver, but I digress😊.)
I agree with you on all but one idea expressed. Race could have been a driving motivation for Sam in the show. It was just lazy how they did it. You are right in that so many of the scenes contradicted what Sam claimed to see when they "look at him." However, the story thread with Isaiah and the "they will never let a black man be Captain America" concept, could have been a great opportunity to explore how trauma is passed on from generation to generation. It would force Sam to look at the world as those before him have seen it compared to how it is now. Similar to Cap experiencing two different Americas having to live in the 30s and then skipping to the 2000s. Sam, like so many kids (all races really) have to navigate the world based on what their parents have experienced, sometimes traumas they experienced, and taught them. I think that would be a fascinating concept, one they kinda sorta started to explore with Isaiah but essentially ended with "oh btw its still all the same" 😐
That’s an excellent point, and I would love to see someone explore that. It would bring the concept to a more universal level instead of “you don’t get it because you’re not [group]”, and could drive home existing problems in a way that doesn’t come off as preachy. Those generational differences and attitudes can be so interesting to explore and I think everyone can relate to the odd sensation of realizing older people in your life have such a wildly different perspective than you, and sometimes they are dead wrong and other times they had it figured out all along.
I won’t hold my breath for it, because whichever group they choose will have to admit to some things being the same while others have improved, and that’s not usually popular.
Its ALL just politcal metaphors. People are just sick of being told what to think
I'm betting the movie doesn't gross $250 Million world wide. It will have a Half Billion $$$ Dollar Loss 😢... Once marketing, reshoots, etc are factored in....way to go Hollywood 😂🎉
When word gets out about Red Hulk only being there for a single fight, and people start talking about how disjointed the movie is from being stitched together from so many versions, the second weekend drop is going to be unlike anything we’ve seen
It'll do $400 million max, and seeing as that's the budget for the movie and marketing. There'll be no profit in this movie whatsoever
Even at the beginning of Captain America 2, the French dude made that comment about Cap' being, "More than just a shield".
I guess they forgot.