Given the very large orders now starting to come in for this and Rivian / Arrival EV vans among others, I wonder how long it will be economically viable for manufactures to make diesel versions ?
Wltp for vans is with 50% of max load, I understand. So in this case 500kg. But of course, these are still official numbers. Would be less in winter etc.
December 2024 Vauxhall e van division has gone bankrupt and the few buyers said the van had a hopeless small range and were unimpressed. I am confused.
Is this also the same model as Toyota Proace ? Would love to see something like this in the US, but want a few reasonable things I will wait for. 300 mile range, 15 minute charge to 80%, 110v power plug in the back, overnight Air conditioning for 7% of the battery. Able to run Air conditioning while charging. on board solar charging option to get back 15 miles per day with a single 500 watt 48v solar panel.
Nice review, thanks! - but it didn't cover the burning question for me. Is that 205 mile range with the van empty, or fully laden with the one tonne payload?
The 205 range is optimistic. I'd say I get around 180ish with a reasonable payload. With it full and towing on a motorway you're probably looking at closer to 100ish miles range.
75 battery upto 205 mile range now load it up with 3 people put more in the back of over a ton (real world use) hitch your trailer and put a ton on that and go for a drive. That max 205 mile range will turn into imo if your really lucky 100 miles. The other thing nothing was mentioned about how long it will take to charge. Your paying £10000 more for the pleasure of owning very short range EV van oh the joy.
You have to remember these vehicles are currently designed for the city. I understand what you mean with towing because the weight will use more power but the idea is that you only tow short distances to somewhere like a tip, building merchants etc. There’s no way you could tow a caravan with this but it’s pretty good for an early van. Just imagine what ev vans can be capable if companies put there resources towards electric vehicles.
@@jackjoyce1744 hi Jack I'm all for EV if I had the money I'd buy a Tesla Plaid in an instant but that range is crap I'd bet good money like all range testing EV and petrol /diesel vehicles all done in a lab not in the real world.
I just wish these electric vans were here 5 years ago. Speaking of, Toyota had squandered far too much in not giving us a hybrid van. Petrol and diesels were just profitable for them.
Nissan E-NV200 came out 7 years ago, I've spent 5 years driving one. I have worked out I am approx 10 grand better off after 5 years compared to if I had bought the diesel, plus all the other advantages. Wish the public chargers were easier to use , although i have never ACTUALLY run totally out (touch wood ) .
0:20 Wonder if there'll be a load of ZEV ice cream vans around in a few years, even those that are completely ZEV (without an auxiliary generator for the appliances in the back, but perhaps a hydrogen fuel cell and solar panels on the roof, or something similar)
@@apl175 Same. Especially when I'm at a seaside resort (when that's allowed, of course). And it also stinks, but I might be unusual in it being such an awful smell for me.
1.8mi/kWh at 40mph. I'm not seeing over 200 miles there. Infact I'm seeing sub 100 in the smaller battery one and if you do 70 its going to go down a long way.
It was reading 1.6-1.8 mi/kWh at 40mph. At 1.8 that would be around 135 miles from the big battery and around 90 miles from the smaller one - presuming all that battery is usable. Thats in an empty van with one guy in it. If you travel at motorway speeds that will drop a long way. I would say on a motorway you're going to be looking for a charger after 50-70 miles depending on battery.
@@menifo4334 At motorway speeds thats what it looks like based on its use in this vid. Even at 2.5mi/kWh that would only be 125mi from the 50kWh and 187.5 from the 75kWh - all presuming the whole battery is usable which means you're going to be looking for a charger around 100 miles and around 165 miles. 2.5mi/kWh is what it was showing with an average of 31mph so thats the best you're likely to get around town. Also remember this is unloaded, one driver and no rain/ets - all things which affect ev range. At 1.6 it would be 80miles for the small one and 120 miles for the big one. Take out some to find and get to a charger without running out (around 20 miles if you don't like playing Russian roulette) and you're left with 60 or 100 miles. Of course a load and more speed would reduce that. So would rain, cold, etc. The speed is the big range killer. As I said - drive that at 70mph and you're not going to be going too far.
@@siraff4461 It's a single snapshot man, it's a bit stupid to assume that's the typical efficiency and extrapolate all those conclusions from a single snapshot
@@ShinShinoke No - thats based on that snapshot and over 10 years of ev ownership experience with various vehicles. Even from the battery size, weight, CDa and so on you can make a pretty good guess at what its likely to do. When you know what kind of heater it uses, how (if) the battery is cooled and so on you can get fairly close. My point was I have no reason not to agree with that snapshot based on the information available and since an accurate current meter and speedo aren't difficult its fair to assume its not all that far off.
Can never understand why those who design quite a few vehicles nowadays is why they put reverse function in the forward position (in this case its a button) To my mind I want a function lever to push forward to ? and yes pull back to go back.
It’s because that’s the way automatic gear selectors have historically worked in petrol/diesel cars and vans, and manufacturers don’t want the aggro if they make EVs the sensible way, and people crash. Yes, forward for reverse and back for forward is, unintuitive, and for EVs, unnecessary.
@@markparker5585 Agree, it is odd pull the lever back to go forward. A lot of the EVs are switching to dashboard buttons or rotary dials to get around this hangover from auto-gearbox days
Something I’d like to know, all this electric revolution seems great... I tow with a conventional vehicle, but electric cars /vehicles don’t seem capable of towing any distance, if at all, also what about lifespan of vehicles and batteries vs lithium waste from the batteries
They're great towers - all that torque Batteries last much longer than expected and are recycled/reused - such as for charging stations EVs are so much more environmentally friendly People need to stop worrying about the batteries and buying into BS about them
The people who can afford it at the moment they are very lucky few more believe me it will be so expensive to run the government has to make their money somehow ow somewhere
What a waste of time and money. I have a 2500 mile journey. See you in six months time to get there and fully laden even worse . Hybrid is better for now . The problem with electric hasn't been solved? 🤔
This van has CCS and a decent range, so should be perfectly good enough for 95% of business daily miles now. I can see it being a very popular van. Given EV range is about how long you drive at one time rather than total journey distance, with a little planning 2,500 miles is possible if a little more relaxed in terms of speed they would have done in the past
@@patrickjr11 yes depending on driving styles etc . But I will reiterate myself not for me I am afraid. And where I live in Spain there are no charges whatsoever! So with all the good will in the world I couldn't make it ☹
I love this van I would like to buy it, but I think the range on electric vehicles Overall are really poor for today's reality. Save your money people and wait some years.
( All A Waste Of Money. ) Not Enough Chargeing Stations. Accross The country. Don’t Waste You’re Money. ) And who wants to Drive Around. To charge this . Vans. I wont
Still wasting you skills and knowledge on reviewing vans Edd. Please please please, watching you do this makes me feel so disappointed for you, get back to showcasing us all your mechanical skills. You're too good for dull van reviews. 👍🏼
@@nicholasfrend2923 not the electric version - from parkers vans - “Are all three new PSA Group electric vans the same? The electric Vauxhall Vivaro-e, the electric Citroen e-Dispatch and the electric Peugeot e-Expert are indeed all variants of the same van, and will share the same electric-drive specification. They will also all be built in the Hordain factory in northern France, using powertrains assembled at the Tremery plant in eastern France.”
Would love to see white van man go electric... With an option that he can't approach too close to other vehicles when at speed... Add in that 81mph maximum speed limit and life could be a lot safer for non white van drivers...
Get this man back on TV, we all love Ed
But we all love internet!
Why only on the TV, we can have him whenever we want him now
Who's here only for Edd?
ngl he is definitely better than I thought. Pretty good actually 👌
I am here for Edd. I could not care less about the van.
I missed the big man.love his passion
ME
@@lolmoreland3605 me too
I like your presentation. I used to watch your Wheeler Dealers show in Romania 15 yrs ago.
Damn! Has it been that long! I feel old
@@jeffsteyn7174 😅😅
Yeah we miss you Edd China on TV......
Edd would do the hard work and then the other dude would sell it for pennies.
Lovely review,well done Ed. 👍
Now this van with bigger batteries make sense, not the BS expensive VW ABT...
You should definitely have your own tv show Edd. Excellent 👌 review
Given the very large orders now starting to come in for this and Rivian / Arrival EV vans among others, I wonder how long it will be economically viable for manufactures to make diesel versions ?
I'm so glad someone has finally given Ed a job
Nice to see you, now we only need you back on the TV as well
Glad to see Edd China again
Edd.,this is so much better than your own channel........it has some pace to it..
Great to have Edd presenting The distances achieved is this fully loaded ?
Wltp for vans is with 50% of max load, I understand. So in this case 500kg. But of course, these are still official numbers. Would be less in winter etc.
Please Ed can you open the bonnet next time so we can see if its like tesla storage space or not! Thanks
I enjoyed watching the Video Review. The Ellite Is the Trim I recommend as well
December 2024 Vauxhall e van division has gone bankrupt and the few buyers said the van had a hopeless small range and were unimpressed. I am confused.
Need more incentive to change £10.000 more than diesel engine van a big factor when I change
Charging times?
Best presenter ever!!!!
Is this also the same model as Toyota Proace ? Would love to see something like this in the US, but want a few reasonable things I will wait for. 300 mile range, 15 minute charge to 80%, 110v power plug in the back, overnight Air conditioning for 7% of the battery. Able to run Air conditioning while charging. on board solar charging option to get back 15 miles per day with a single 500 watt 48v solar panel.
Is it me or does this look surprisingly handsome for a van? 🤔
I think the sprinter or transit are a tad more handsome
@@Nathan.150 except I think the Sprinter looks wrong with halogens but yeh otherwise decent
The vibrato life with the different headlights look better
Nice review, thanks! - but it didn't cover the burning question for me. Is that 205 mile range with the van empty, or fully laden with the one tonne payload?
The 205 range is optimistic. I'd say I get around 180ish with a reasonable payload. With it full and towing on a motorway you're probably looking at closer to 100ish miles range.
Why have the psa group reduced the spec on vehicles and offered no compensation
Said nothing about where you can charge it or how long you have to wait for it to charge.
Charge mine at home .when I drive to London I stop at a rapid charger and by the time I drink a coffee got enough charge to finish the journey.
Well done PSA, hopefully will be replacing the diesel vivaros (and siblings) that seem to be the staple delivery vans at the minute.
This model (along with hatchbacks&SUVs) marks PSA’s chance for survival
Edd china for the new top gear presenter. Best mechanic on tv . Fact.
Love Ed, refreshing to see him again.
For some reason i really like that dash layout, bright and uncluttered
I like the idea that van drivers take notice of payload weight...
in regard to the range is the van empty when tested or is there a % load.
I am a simple man... I see Edd, I click watch and like the video...
No engine noise yay now the roof ladder will sound even louder!
just make sure your m8 has tied it on. :)
75 battery upto 205 mile range now load it up with 3 people put more in the back of over a ton (real world use) hitch your trailer and put a ton on that and go for a drive. That max 205 mile range will turn into imo if your really lucky 100 miles. The other thing nothing was mentioned about how long it will take to charge. Your paying £10000 more for the pleasure of owning very short range EV van oh the joy.
You have to remember these vehicles are currently designed for the city. I understand what you mean with towing because the weight will use more power but the idea is that you only tow short distances to somewhere like a tip, building merchants etc. There’s no way you could tow a caravan with this but it’s pretty good for an early van. Just imagine what ev vans can be capable if companies put there resources towards electric vehicles.
@@jackjoyce1744 hi Jack I'm all for EV if I had the money I'd buy a Tesla Plaid in an instant but that range is crap I'd bet good money like all range testing EV and petrol /diesel vehicles all done in a lab not in the real world.
Can you fit an 8 by 4 sheet in on edge.?
The range is disappointing? There are EVs with double that range right now.
I just wish these electric vans were here 5 years ago.
Speaking of, Toyota had squandered far too much in not giving us a hybrid van. Petrol and diesels were just profitable for them.
Nissan had a electric van 5 years ago I believe
Nissan E-NV200 came out 7 years ago, I've spent 5 years driving one. I have worked out I am approx 10 grand better off after 5 years compared to if I had bought the diesel, plus all the other advantages. Wish the public chargers were easier to use , although i have never ACTUALLY run totally out (touch wood ) .
I like it, much better than the ABT VW. A bit more range and i can see this as an electric camper.
I would rather have van with LPG or GPL instead EV.
0:20 Wonder if there'll be a load of ZEV ice cream vans around in a few years, even those that are completely ZEV (without an auxiliary generator for the appliances in the back, but perhaps a hydrogen fuel cell and solar panels on the roof, or something similar)
Looking forward to having a 99 Flake without breathing in generator fumes while waiting in queue.
@@apl175 Same. Especially when I'm at a seaside resort (when that's allowed, of course). And it also stinks, but I might be unusual in it being such an awful smell for me.
1.8mi/kWh at 40mph. I'm not seeing over 200 miles there. Infact I'm seeing sub 100 in the smaller battery one and if you do 70 its going to go down a long way.
This is way better than the VW Transporter 6.1e ABT, that was a joke. Who in their right mind would spend money on it and why was it signed off?
How did vw transporter get it so wrong.
It looks a lot smaller than the previous Vivaro / Trafic / Primastar generation.
The official (?) claimed range, is it with all the 1226kg loaded? I doubt it. So, what's the actual range of this car when carrying load?
It was reading 1.6-1.8 mi/kWh at 40mph. At 1.8 that would be around 135 miles from the big battery and around 90 miles from the smaller one - presuming all that battery is usable.
Thats in an empty van with one guy in it. If you travel at motorway speeds that will drop a long way.
I would say on a motorway you're going to be looking for a charger after 50-70 miles depending on battery.
@@siraff4461 50 to 70 miles on a fairy drive with no loads?
@@menifo4334 At motorway speeds thats what it looks like based on its use in this vid. Even at 2.5mi/kWh that would only be 125mi from the 50kWh and 187.5 from the 75kWh - all presuming the whole battery is usable which means you're going to be looking for a charger around 100 miles and around 165 miles.
2.5mi/kWh is what it was showing with an average of 31mph so thats the best you're likely to get around town.
Also remember this is unloaded, one driver and no rain/ets - all things which affect ev range.
At 1.6 it would be 80miles for the small one and 120 miles for the big one.
Take out some to find and get to a charger without running out (around 20 miles if you don't like playing Russian roulette) and you're left with 60 or 100 miles.
Of course a load and more speed would reduce that. So would rain, cold, etc. The speed is the big range killer. As I said - drive that at 70mph and you're not going to be going too far.
@@siraff4461 It's a single snapshot man, it's a bit stupid to assume that's the typical efficiency and extrapolate all those conclusions from a single snapshot
@@ShinShinoke No - thats based on that snapshot and over 10 years of ev ownership experience with various vehicles. Even from the battery size, weight, CDa and so on you can make a pretty good guess at what its likely to do. When you know what kind of heater it uses, how (if) the battery is cooled and so on you can get fairly close.
My point was I have no reason not to agree with that snapshot based on the information available and since an accurate current meter and speedo aren't difficult its fair to assume its not all that far off.
Auto hold есть у него всё-таки ? или не предусмотрен ? Я 3-й день ищу , найти не могу...
Would you pay £44,000 for one of these?
Can never understand why those who design quite a few vehicles nowadays is why they put reverse function in the forward position (in this case its a button)
To my mind I want a function lever to push forward to ? and yes pull back to go back.
It’s because that’s the way automatic gear selectors have historically worked in petrol/diesel cars and vans, and manufacturers don’t want the aggro if they make EVs the sensible way, and people crash. Yes, forward for reverse and back for forward is, unintuitive, and for EVs, unnecessary.
@@markparker5585 Agree, it is odd pull the lever back to go forward. A lot of the EVs are switching to dashboard buttons or rotary dials to get around this hangover from auto-gearbox days
Can we see a review of its big brother, the Movano-e please Edd? Maybe compare the performance with its rivals from Renault and Merc...?
Not much point comparing it to the Renault, or peugeot and Citroën. They're all the same van.
Merc is different though.
Yesss these are the reviews we need
Awesome vlog ❤
BMW Isetta Shirt = cool 😎
Why is this car called opel zafira life in Europe?and not opel vivaro life?
Aircon?
The whole mode selector module is in the wrong place, it costs space of the middle seat. It should not be there, really.
Will it make a good taxi?
They have a multi seat version and really good taxi it would make as such a cheap vehicle to run
Great to see Edd
And like all good psa group cars the electrics will fail a lot as psa cars have really good electrical systems and it will fall to bits at will
I want to buy a van but the missus won't let me.
Cheers Ed
Great review by Edd!!!!!! Legend!
Vito next?
There is absolutely no way you can drive that comfortably. I find the new vivaro ridiculously small
I'm not sure having an EV fan doing a review is particularly objective. When my van gets to 200miles range I fill it up again.
if anything needs a re mod its Edd
how tall is this guy?
Something I’d like to know, all this electric revolution seems great... I tow with a conventional vehicle, but electric cars /vehicles don’t seem capable of towing any distance, if at all, also what about lifespan of vehicles and batteries vs lithium waste from the batteries
They're great towers - all that torque
Batteries last much longer than expected and are recycled/reused - such as for charging stations
EVs are so much more environmentally friendly
People need to stop worrying about the batteries and buying into BS about them
The people who can afford it at the moment they are very lucky few more believe me it will be so expensive to run the government has to make their money somehow ow somewhere
Got found that as solar panels run mine love to see the government tax the sun
Blade Batteries
M-B e-Vito? Would it cry if you drove it in Argentina?
You wont get the range stated in the real world, battery technology is not there yet still better with a diesel !
This hasnt aged well has it?
It's not a Vivaro, It's a hateful small Peugeot.
Oh the glory of the old wheeler dealers
Its the Vauxhall French van
Yes
Who will buy a 5 year old Electric van needing a new Batteris
What a waste of time and money. I have a 2500 mile journey. See you in six months time to get there and fully laden even worse . Hybrid is better for now . The problem with electric hasn't been solved? 🤔
@@richardnedbalek1968 not for me though. City's short journeys yes . I do a lot of miles so no good to me I am afraid. ☹
This van has CCS and a decent range, so should be perfectly good enough for 95% of business daily miles now. I can see it being a very popular van. Given EV range is about how long you drive at one time rather than total journey distance, with a little planning 2,500 miles is possible if a little more relaxed in terms of speed they would have done in the past
@@patrickjr11 yes depending on driving styles etc . But I will reiterate myself not for me I am afraid. And where I live in Spain there are no charges whatsoever! So with all the good will in the world I couldn't make it ☹
That's an amazing commute
I love this van I would like to buy it, but I think the range on electric vehicles Overall are really poor for today's reality. Save your money people and wait some years.
Got one and not found range a problem.
Edd rules, okay.
why waste electric on stupid things like electric park brake which is no use to anything.
205 😂😂😂😂 utter bollocks
This is looks Like kidnapper Car
They cat h fire
"Vauxhall" where are those made ? in Ed's basement ?
( All A Waste Of Money. ) Not Enough Chargeing Stations. Accross The country. Don’t Waste You’re Money. ) And who wants to Drive Around. To charge this . Vans. I wont
Mine does the job really don't need to do more than 150 miles a day and charge at home .
Not much good if can’t pull a load of cattle to the mart
No you will need a ford 150 lightning for that and it's electric
Still wasting you skills and knowledge on reviewing vans Edd.
Please please please, watching you do this makes me feel so disappointed for you, get back to showcasing us all your mechanical skills.
You're too good for dull van reviews.
👍🏼
Made in France
Vauxhall vans made in UK
@@nicholasfrend2923 not the electric version - from parkers vans - “Are all three new PSA Group electric vans the same?
The electric Vauxhall Vivaro-e, the electric Citroen e-Dispatch and the electric Peugeot e-Expert are indeed all variants of the same van, and will share the same electric-drive specification.
They will also all be built in the Hordain factory in northern France, using powertrains assembled at the Tremery plant in eastern France.”
It’s a vauxhall say no more 🤮🤮
Would love to see white van man go electric... With an option that he can't approach too close to other vehicles when at speed... Add in that 81mph maximum speed limit and life could be a lot safer for non white van drivers...