I am in New Zealand and our power company tried to bully me into getting smart meter after I refused it . 2 days later a power dude was in my back yard with his tool box ready to install it .I just reminded him if he touches my meter box he will get assaulted .he packed his stuff and left . Stay viligant people don't let them bully you
j f Why so worried about smart meters? What is the transmit power and RF frequency used in your area that makes you worry? EMF is way more of a concern from a smart phone when it’s sending with boosted power to reach a far away antenna tower (if you have 1 or 2 bars on the signal).
Harley leitch here in Alaska the power company was going to shit me off at zero below weather if I wouldn’t allow them to upgrade meter which is how they’re able to force us since you freeze to death here in ala without power so we’re all sick feeling all the time. Constant Head aches blooded noses my roommate had a stroke and is paralyzed and she and I are forced to live with this against our bedroom wall. We’re unable to sleep at all anymore. Cant focus anymore memory problems and we’re considering selling our home and leaving the country because we believe our government is trying to kill us. Their own Military web site Dregle that says 80% of the population will be gone by 2025 I spent hours reading their own documents that actually read like a horror story and nobody believes me even though it’s public information nobody reads them and refuses to believe our own government is trying to kill us by any means possible.
"Broadband Over Power Lines" we call it here in the States. The power Company can remotely shut off your power at will for ANY reason. Your fault, their mistake - it doesn't matter, suddenly you are literally in the dark. It is a problem that is completely unfair and should be illegal.
This has always been true. One switch in the control room and you are out
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@@freakboynv2000With the old dumb meters, they had to physically come out, pull the meter out of the socket, put non-conductive plastic covers over the meter's tabs, plug it back in, and put a locking ring around it... or, disconnect the drop at the pole.
As soon as I had my power company removed our smart meter and replaced it with an older style meter, our bill dropped significantly to where it had averaged the past 30 years. That was really great after it went up 300% after it was installed.
I own a small detail shop, power company came by and installed smart meters and told me I had no say so about it and that all businesses were getting smart meters before they do home owners. Within a month all of my large air compressors were dead. I called a repairman who before he even looked at the compressor, checked the voltage coming to the building. Most large equipment needs 240-250v, which is what I had prior, now it was topping out at 230v. That made my compressors overheat and fried the motors. I called the power company and basically they told me tough luck. I was advised to hire an electrician to evaluate my power needs and he would have to tell them to up my voltage which they would then charge me a heck of a lot more for. So yeah, dude is spot on about how bad they are.
www.amazon.com/Monitor-HOMREE-Voltmeter-Household-Directly/dp/B0744GWFRM Anything like this is cheap and easy to install. Try to find two different outlets, one for each of the 2 phases. As you are finding out, *LOW* voltage is a *KILLER* for electrical motors. Phone in every time your voltage drops. Log the complaints. The best way to stop these criminals is with paperwork. Best of LUCK Damien.
One more though. only run one compressor at any given time if you have more than one. If a compressor runs at 20 amps, then the start up draw is 10 times higher than the running amperage. For a very short time the startup current draw will be near 200 amps. Guess what thay does to your line voltage? Line voltage will drop. Computers and anything electronic will also suffer from the lower voltage.
Those plug in ones are really cheap on Ebay. Not perfect, but they are on all the time and seem to be reasonably accurate. Your power company knows most of us will not spend $1000 to have an electrician do a power check. That's why I suggest you get a cheap monitor and phone in a complaint every time you see the voltage drop. If they don't like your method of monitoring their line voltage, then you can suggest they check your power for free. after 100 complaints or more, you can also go to your Utility commission and complain. ;-) Best of luck my friend. 👍👍
I would of told them tough luck for you because if you dont reimburse me for my losses then you will compensate fully for negligence , liability and destruction of my property underba commercial lien on your ass.
The power company installed a smart meter on my house. When I had them remove it, all at once my crazy screaming Roosters stopped crowing and calmed down.
I have operated a metal fab shop doing a lot of welding. We did a experiment with our spot welder. With a spot welder there is a almost instantaneous high current draw. With the old wheel meter the wheel just moved quickly but with the new one the kw usage stays on for around 2 seconds after the load stops charging me 2 extra seconds for that draw. Now I know 2 seconds don’t sound like a big deal but the welder draws around 2kw. It is not uncommon to cycle this machine over 1000 times a hour. Now do the math! Long story short my bill has risen around 15%. I have expressed my concern to the utility company and was told it is impossible for the new meter to bill be the extra 2 seconds and that I could not get back my old style meter. There is absolutely no doubt this is happening when I compared old bills. Once again the big institution wins! Just raise my prices I guess but this is complete BS! Makes you wonder how much more these organized criminals are stealing from the general public across the country.
ABSOULTELY BS THESE COMPANIES! My late father was a draftsman for Duncan electric meters in the '60's. The old school analog meters NEVER lied! Digital is a corrupt deceptive way to be lazy a$$es to not go out and read meters and yet charge the people more. Just like many politicians they think we the people are so freaking stupid to understand this.
Digital meters are more accurate. The mechanical meters are less accurate meaning they can slow down over time. There are Standards the meters must comply with. They are NOT out to get anyone.
@@stevecampbell7620 they are not, only accurate while being calibrated. Check other youtube videos, especially from UK where people filming digital meters reading consumption even few times higher than actual consumption. I personally got such meter in my collection. Internal electronic components might slightly change characteristics or fail over the time and this might affect microcontrollers analog input readings used to sense the actual current or voltage. Best solution is to install second meter in line, so you can check time to time if readings still match.
take 2 seconds over all the customers and the power company gains a lot of extra profit while not providing electricity. Amounts to a big amount for the Christmas party.
For sure, smart meters do not benefit the customer only the supplier, I have one and are about £5 worse off a month which doesn't sound much I know but over the next twenty years including everyone else here in the UK its millions of ££££
@@badlieutenant3822 then why add extra items that enable a local shutoff for items like solar.... please balance that giant load without sectioning it off for safety and efficiency... its also more accurate in many respects...
i love the way people are lording this as a great thing... its putting meter readers out of work and extending the lines at the social security/ Job seekers office and reducing the Actual total capacity is just bad busness, we get ripped off enough for our energy without British gas treating critical resorces like mobile data
No mention of the RF interference that these things are causing. This makes it virtually impossible for many people to use sensitive amateur radio receivers and short wave receivers. They're on a much higher frequency than Short Wave, but the interference goes right through the radio spectrum from LF upwards. Have you noticed how much poorer the quality of sound is on your AM radio over the past few years? We’re in the U.K., and used to listen to BBC Radio 4 on 198kHz very regularly. It's now almost impossible to hear the audio at times, because of the really high levels of noise, which is mostly from smart meters. DAB broadcasting covers some of the lost service, but not all of it. And DAB radios use more power than analogue receivers.
Washington state West coast here. They told us with these smart things😕 that between the hours of 5pm and 9pm, they can charge us up three times as much money for what we are useing ! So, we have been switching off everything at the breaker, between the hours of 5pm until 9:01pm. We have saved SO MUCH MONEY it's crazy!! Ya, we have mega discipline in my house!⚓
Robbie lacey Jones same am just about to get one..last 2 half months my bill was 547 pounds. They tell me a new smart meter will sort it out. Think they want everyone with a free Smart meter
They don't call it "smart" because it is good for your wallet, they call it "smart" because it is good for their bank account. Smart move on their part that is.
I live in a 1500 sq ft 2 story house with a 3.5 ton HVAC AC system. It's sprayed foamed to r 19 in the walls and R 60 in the attic. The House is pretty much an igloo. Completely sealed. Extremely insulated. Light grey metal roof which is highly reflective. Last year our highest bill was 175.00..and that's in a Texas Summer..13 days of 100 degrees weather. Very Hot. Bill was never over 175.00 even using all electric appliances. After the install of this Smart Meter..bill jumped up to 450.00. What the hell? I called CPS energy provider out to check the meter because something was wrong. They found no fault with the meter..I showed them past bills using the old mechanical meter..They had no explanation. I'm going back to the mechanical meter and pay the extra 20.00 per month..This is just stupid.
The change is most likely the old meter not measuring power consumption correctly. Your HVAC unit may be skewing the power factor significantly. Smart meters can detect this and measure the true power consumed.
@@Bill_N7FTM no its what it reads , third harmonic for instance a couple of PC's and various other equipment will change your costs from before and you have no control over it , there is also the question arising in the UK as to the effect of LED lamps on the bills as they went up significantly when LED was being used , i think its the same problem most electronics produce third harmonics thats (as far as i am aware) a small voltage down the neutral which is also being measured so the real solution is to get a 1 to 1 transformer to even out the consumption and of course your voltage you may notice your led LAMPS fading in and out (if they are dmmible ) because they are at such a low current it starts to become obvious
I’ve seen one of those smart meters opened up. They are very complex. They have a full board with a processor, memory, modem, SIM card and antenna in the uk. Also a big circuit breaker so theoretically they could remotely cut you off.
You can definitely remotely disconnect and connect a smartmeter. It takes minutes. They send meter reads daily. They're a huge improvement over the old meters.
like a smart watch, that varies by local regulations and meter manufacturer. My province's legislation doesn't allow for use of most of those things. Here, they use an encrypted radio burst for 1 second every 8 or 12hrs. The "smart" meters used in residential are about as complex as a 2010 FitBit. Cutting edge power meters (for utility and industrial) are more like a 2017 laptop/tablet
Im a HAM radio operator. After they installed the new smart meter, I was getting horrible interference on several bands. My driven earth ground is five feet from the underground power line to my house. I ended up moving my ground away from the power line to be able to use my equipment. The signal levels were so high it totally swamped out all my meters.
I don't have a smart meter but my neighbours both sides of my terraced house have the bloody things installed. Since the uk drive to install these dam things. It's now impossible for me to use the hf bands at all s8 across the hf bands 80 40 snd 20 meters are washed out completely. I cannot change the location of my g5rv I have tried mostly everything to resolve the problem the only way is to not use my radios at all. Bloody digital technology will be the death of the radio amateur hobby. 73
@@sincitybarbie3749 it absolutely is true because I'm experiencing precisely that where I live in Illinois. It's been Wackadoo for me since July of 2019! There is absolutely and positively NO personal privacy WHATSOEVER! Like a psych ward's going to help THIS! Just another excuse to prescribe I guess... you are indeed correct. I wouldn't wish this on ANY human being, EVER!😡
Bill Electrician for 55 yrs You have missed an important fact, The old meters could not read voltage they were built with the idea that everyone was receiving exactly 120v and therefore the meter read only current, ie current x voltage + wattage. The smart meter reads not only current but VOLTAGE as well and in reality the voltage varies . Now voltage x current is different because voltage varies (as equipment turns on and off there is a deviation in voltage as is when the demand in the area changes) . Now the resultant from voltage ( 110 -117-120) volts will change the wattage.
Strangely enough in Germany we are asked if we want smart meter or just a standard electronic meter. I think they mentioned that installing smart meter conflicts with their strict personal data protection laws.
I had crazy and constant headaches and was nervous all the time when I slept near one for almost a year and had no other electrics nearby in the room or out of the room in the corridor. The only thing constantly on was that smart meter. As soon as I requested it to be removed because of other issues with it I noticed my headaches were gone and I was a LOT calmer. Never will this be near my body again!
I stumbled onto your site with this video. I don't own a home, I rent an apartment yet found your content very interesting just the same. I'm sure our building is using some form of these smart meters as about a year ago or so they switched meters and now every month I get what I call a "GUILT REPORT" about how much more power I consume compared to my apartment neighbors. I guess they want to shame me into using less electricity or something. Thanks for the content, subed your channel.
My bill went from 150 in the dead of winter then they installed a smart meter an now my bill was 350 dollars now I'm installing solar to run my house a company wanted 10 grand doing it myself for 2000 dollars
Not all of us are as smart as you Mike Smith $2000 cost for solar with a savings of $350 a month. 6 months and you are making money. *MAKE SURE THEY GIVE YOU A NETMETER, NOT A REGULAR SMART METER* If they do a meter swap, watch this video on how the meter swap is done without putting you at a huge risk of fire. ruclips.net/video/G0bq2Hn2vOo/видео.html #1 If they install a smart meter and your power goes out, then they are an ARSONIST. In Canada, it is against the law, all smart meter swaps have to be BYPASSED to keep the power on. #2 If the customers UL certified meter base is NOT INSPECTED by a CERTIFIED electrician before the meter swap, they they are probably breaking the law and will increase the chance of your home burning down by a factor of 10,000 times. Remember, the only electrical device in your home that is NOT UL APPROVED is their smart meter. Why do you ask a smart meter is not UL APPROVED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BUILT STRONG ENOUGH TO MEET UL'S SAFETY REQUIREMENTS. They are only certified to measure power consumed.
lol a 2k Solar system? Microinverters are $160 a piece and panels maybe $200? Plus racking, conduit, etc. lets round it to $400 a panel. Maybe 500w of production per pannel, per year. For a total of 2500kwh. You need alot more solar panels dude. If you are in CA Your old $150 electric bill equates to about 750kwh a month. Which equals 9,000kwh, not 2500kwh. Those panels will cut your bill by maybe 25% not eliminate it. Unless you built your own solar panels too. But hey I applaud your effort, solar is the way to go, most people need help doing it.
I will start with this. I have never been sick a day in my life. And all who know me, know this to be true. Fast forward, I have been ill for months now, body aches, headaches, stomach issues and others. I dint even know I had a smart meter installed until about three weeks ago. A family member said, you really should go see a dr. Something is obviously wrong, asked me if I had a smart meter installed, because they knew that they are making people sick. I replied NO, because at that time I was unaware that one had been installed while I was away. Just noticed a few weeks ago, I am now the proud owner of a smart meter. Was out doing some yard work and happened to look up and saw it. Now at last I know the cause of my illness. Fun,fun,fun...
Tony Musolino Go to the CosmicReality website and either order the S4 stickers,or the sticker/ magnet specifically for smart meters- They DO work and are scientifically and energetically tested by the people who’ve developed them. These will save yourself and family.
Isla Miln. / Could you give more info on the web site. When I search there are many many sites with that name. I’m not sure which one is the right one. Thank you so much.
Smart Meter Health Complaints - EMF Safety Network "People from coast to coast in the USA, and from one side of the world to the other, are becoming ill after exposure to the radiofrequency radiation emitted by Wireless Smart Meters."
I've been chronically sick my whole life until the past 5 years. I moved away from my townhouse w/a smart meter into a trailer home w/o a smart meter. The nightmares I was having completely stopped. My twin sister just moved 2 blocks away a few months ago. I've been warning people to stay away from smart meters. The electrical company came thru and added a smart meter to her home only 3 or 4 days ago. My fiance and I were planning to get married in her home next Friday but not anymore (we are both disabled so travel is difficult). 😢🤬
Kva is an indication of how much harder the generator actually has to work for the customer’s load. The more you get away from resistive loads and towards inductive or capacitive loads like motors, the more work the generator has to do ( they call this VARs). But if all your loads are Resistive, then Kva drops towards zero and only Kw count for usage. So all these years we didn’t have to pay for Kva loads (like big motors) we ran but now we have to pay the piper for all the types of loads we have as these meters can easily measure these powers accurately. This is a very simplified explanation of power.
Volt-amps and Watts are not synonymous. I like the presentation, but if you introduce motors US utility can charge power factor or require capacitors to be installed.
@@antar193 Yes I agree, and I think that is why the power companies hate the Switching Power Supplies that show in our consumer electronics now because of the PF these devices introduce. There are so many out there now running that it throws a wrench into the works for their generators so yes they are going to charge us for our PF …… just like they now charge us for that damned carbon gas tax ! Pretty soon we will have to pay for air we breath ……
Don't think for a second the power company hasn't already added this to the price they charge, coming and outright charging for it is double dipping. What do you expect from scumbag government agencies?
As an electrician, another bummer is that I can’t just pull your meter and upgrade or change out your service. The smart meter reports back to mother brain that there is a service interruption. It helps keep us safe from the untrained but also means I have to pull a permit and schedule an inspection and charge you more for the cost and hassle.
This is rediculous when a person opts out and they still put the dang thing up, we need to join together world wide/ world wide law class action suit…. !!!!!
@@meganjarvis7970 you don’t own the power delivery infrastructure, if the utility wants to change their equipment they’re going to do it. If you don’t like it, don’t use grid power and get solar with a battery bank and inverter or build your own power plant.
They just installed one on my house today. I ask the guy if I could keep my old one, and he said it would cost me $40 more month. I have a feeling my bill is going to go up.
Neznisgip I would have loved paying the extra and keeping my original meter just for peace of mind. I fought. With the electric company for months but they won when they said we had to either take the smart meter or we cut you off and charge for retrieving the old meter.
The smart meter's KVA rating has nothing to do with losses between the generator and the smart meter. Basically power is just power (watts), but the equation everyone knows, P = IV is really only applicable to DC power, or AC power where the current and voltage are 100% in phase. That is, for AC power, voltage typically looks like a sine wave. It turns out that for AC power, current draw *also* tends to look like a sine wave (though not always). However, the two sine waves are not usually completely in phase. For an AC circuit, the idealized real power is more like P = IV * cos(theta), where theta is the phase difference between the voltage waveform and the current waveform. Idealized assuming the current waveform is also a sinewave, which it might not be. The KVA rating, on the other-hand, is a measure of apparent power, not real power. It is simply the RMS voltage multiplied by the RMS current. This is NOT a measure of actual power, but a measure of apparent power. It ignores the relationship between the voltage sine wave and the current sine wave. In fact, it is a measure of worst-case stress on a power circuit, which is why a lot of equipment has a KVA rating. So the best way to think about this is simply that KVA is 'apparent power' which is used as a measure of stress, a measure of the absolute worst case a piece of equipment can deal with, whereas KW is 'real power', as in conservation-of-energy real power. The real power will be lower than the apparent power. -- One final little bit of trivia. AC Electrical loads do not uniformly pull current from every point on the voltage sine wave of the input. For example, a simple-stupid rectifier circuit just pulls power out of the peaks of the sine wave (a half rectifier pulls power only from the positive peak, while a full rectifier pulls power from both the positive and negative peak). In this situation, the current pulled from the AC power input is basically zero at all other points except the top and bottom of the sine wave. Old style mechanical meters had a terrible time converting such stupidly bad rectifiers to actual power consumption. It would always underestimate the actual power, so consumers using old badly rectified equipment always got somewhat of a free ride. Fortunately, those types of circuits were not usually used in heavy duty equipment, so power companies didn't care so much. Newer meters, and smart meters, are able to measure *actual* power ... actual watts, and consumers no longer get a free ride on such devices. Not a big deal because most modern devices don't have stupid rectifiers in them anyway. Most electronics these days are based on switching power supplies, for example, which can draw power from the entire AC cycle (or at least most of it). -- In the old days, a shop whos electricity use was mostly from 2-phase and 3-phase motors had to actually get a special schedule from the power company. The power company would calculate the actual power factor such that it could compensate the under-readings the old meters gave to figure out the actual power consumed. This, for example, is what the power factor specification for a three-phase motor would be used for. Power factor... it isn't really a specification of 'real work' (what is 'fake work' supposed to be? Heat losses from the circuit? Remember, conservation of energy again....). It's basically a specification to get around the fact that power monitoring equipment used to give the wrong readings for AC consumption when the current and voltage waveforms were out of phase. But again, also, its a good way to specify the maximum stress a circuit can handle. Stress on an electrical circuit tends to be related more to the peak current in each cycle and not just the average. While KVA is not a perfect measure of peak current, its calculation of RMS current is a much better measure (will produce a higher, more appropriate value) than trying to calculate a current from the real power consumption (which is basically impossible for an AC circuit where the current is out of phase... well, that's what PF (Power Factor) is, so not impossible... just that there is no single value for it. You'd have to calculate the actual difference to come up with the PF, and then you could estimate based on real power using PF to convert). -Matt
In New Zealand they have been rolling out smart meters for sometime but it is a consumers right over here to not have them installed if you don't want them, gotta love having choice.
In San Antonio, Tx, we were given the choice to opt out on smart meter installation, but we would have to pay an extra $20 monthly for a meter reader to come out and read the analog meter. Then the choice was taken away and you must have a smart meter or no electricity at all. You will comply or we will burn you with cigarettes!
LOL. Or hang an old smartphone and a charger over the top of it. But make sure that both do not work because they won't be anymore after they've been out in the rain. LOL.
@Boony Tooty no as the meter is at the demarcation... you only pay for what you use on your end. usually they give you a 5$ service or delivery fee... which is standard... or do you bus in your power by battery...
The fires was not related to the smart meter it was due to been installed wrong (of they replaced it with a normal meter it would have had same issue due to the wiring from that installer)
@@IesKorpershoek wires? most are just slotted... you cant mess it up as the door will literally not close.... did they replace the entire box, as that is unusual.
Theirs a great video here in USA showing the smart meter doesn't have a safety cutoff and is the cutoff but cannot handle it correctly. Also we have hundreds of videos showing fires from the outside smart meters.
@@charleysturbos7320 seems more likely it's miswired. If it can't handle it you have something odd going on. As it can handle it in normal operations. Ground fault.
One of the reasons they changed to smart meters is to prevent getting caught scamming you. Your bill is either based on your meter, if you are habitually delinquent, or your credit score, in which case, they just make the shit up. But they tend to get caught at that when people notice that nobody is actually coming to their house to read the meter at all. There was a guy who finally complained to the tv news, here, that he owns 4 houses, 3 of which are unoccupied, so he turned the main off, yet still, he was getting hit with $300 per month, on each of them. Those meters weren't even moving, but they didn't know that because nobody was actually reading them. But you will have to sue them, and that will cost even more, so if you want to keep that credit score, you'll just have to pay whatever they want. READ YOUR OWN METER AND COMPARE IT TO YOUR BILL before you argue with me, you'll see.
The water company does it, too. There were a couple of hundred complaints to the tv news one month about them, they were sending people $1000 bills. Then, on the phone, they were rude, and blamed the customers for having water leaks, and telling them to "get a plumber". When they did hire plumbers, the plumbers would tell them shit like "this is IMPOSSIBLE, you have a half inch water meter, and it CANNOT POSSIBLY flow that much water through it, even it it were uncapped and flowing at full capacity". When it made the tv, they said it was a mistake. But they were on the news a couple months later, admitting that they needed money in a bad way, and HAD to raise the bills, including a surcharge applied even if you don't use any water. Turns out that the lake is so low that all of the intake tunnels are high and dry, and they had to put in a new, hugely expensive tunnel all the way out under the deepest part of the lake to get the last of it. Coincidence? Not likely.
Ya ya I once knew a guy who was on vacation for a month and turned everything off and when he came home he owed the power company and the water corporation 30 thousand dollhairs they took his home and now he lives in a mansion on a hill psychedelic music fills the air its true I sar it on the news I am never going on vacation I don't want to live in a mansion hill or no hill I just leave everything on and running electricity and water they are going to charge me anyway DUH
In my state, the bill always reflected estimated entries. Usually it was read but a few times a year it would be estimated then it was corrected on on the next read.
Yep that comment seemed silly, Bill is based of estimates how they supposed to know you switch your electric off will just continue billing you based off your estimated monthly cycle until they turn up and see that you meet is not moved and they'll usually credit you back if it's more than in the UK £100 in credit but unsure what it's like in the USA
This is an old post I notice but still non the less I am in the uk....my neighbour for 21 yrs was a tight ass never renewed or updated his deco or looked after his garden... I guess as was lucky as technology has never been anything Thts really interested me....I have wifi Thts about it...I don’t even have my microwave plugged in....my neighbour recently sold his house and a young individual moved in and had the two old metres removed and replaced with a smart metre....it’s been three weeks and from day one I have felt it...insomnia, waking up to buzzing , coughing in the middle of the night from nowhere randomly (only night time)...ringing in my ears,crackly bubbly ears, head ache... I’ve never had a headache in my life... feeling like am under water and hearing my own heart beating...I keep getting hot flashes through my body....I obv looked into all these symptoms and smart metres are bad for ppl with any metal in their body and I have a titanium hip!...I asked the neighbour politely if she would consider removing it, she said No as she had just had it fitted she knew my views on them before she even had it installed.... I asked the guy who fitted it about them and he said I needed to ask her to get a cover for it.... even the guy who fits them won’t have one in his own house!!...I spoke to my neighbour again who told me the metre takes two weeks to be switched on (which I did not believe as I was having all these symptoms) so I contacted her supplier who confirmed the metre is on immediately but it takes up to two weeks for them to gain a connection.... I live in a property that is 34ft long and 16ft wide I am between two other houses and her metre is back to back with my porch... when I sit down to watch tv am literally two metres away from it... when I sleep at night I am 3mtrs above it... I do not know what to do as my health is in somebody else’s hands... but I am looking into it... it’s not right.... When I wrote to her supplier I pretended I was interested in a smart metre and asked about a faraday cage and she advised me not to get one as it would interfere with the connection!!.... one main question that after several emails back and forth they keep failing to answer is the coverage of RF the metres give off... has anybody else had the same issues??......
They wanted to put one in here, I told them no way I don't want one. Lucky because my 50 year old meter has worn a bearing out and spins slow. Every 1400 kWh thru the meter equals 1kwh on the meter. I'm happy with that.
+Bro Tang You're a complete and utter moron. You will have to comply with a replacement, since this one will NEVER be certified in any way. And then they will calculate your usage back for the last 15 years and you are completely fucked.
I worked as a meter technician for many years. A guy told me that a meter he once had spun FASTER as it got older . He got a friend to check it out and submitted his findings to the local electricity board and they quickly replaced his meter. He subsequently received a refund of £50. That was in the 1950s !!
Good for you, Fu. I only have 1kW of solar on the roof now, but I hope to add 4kW more this next year, backing it up with 15kWh of lithium batteries. How big is your setup? Solar, wind, water, or a comination? House or cabin?
*Supply (SMPS) Dirty Electricity ~ When current flows through the wiring of a building it generates a surrounding electro-magnetic field that radiates outward all around the wires at right angles to the direction of the current’s flow and reaches out into the room. It is well known that switching power supplies can generate spikes of so-called electromagnetic interference (EMI), or high frequency transients, which then travel along the wiring in the walls, radiating outward in the wiring’s electromagnetic field. Such spikes are known as ‘dirty electricity’ and can be conducted to a human body that is within the range of the radiating field. This function is on all smart meters used by all utilities and is on constantly, 24/7.* *Concerning “smart” meters: Dr. Martin Blank, Associate Professor, Department of Physiology and Cellular Biophysics, Columbia University: “Cells in the body react to E.M.F.’s as potentially harmful, just like any other environmental toxins, including heavy metals and toxic chemicals. The D.N.A. in living cells recognizes electromagnetic fields at very low levels of exposure [not covered by current outdated laws]; and produces a biochemical stress response. The scientific evidence tells us that our safety standards are inadequate, and that we must protect ourselves from exposure to E.M.F. due to power lines, cells phones and the like, or risk the known consequences. The science is very strong and we should sit up and pay attention.”*
Bet Dr. Blank has a cell phone, probably more than one, uses lots of different electronic devices in his house, watches a TV, and uses WiFi connections for his computer. How about the emissions from all the stars in the universe and the decay of naturally occurring radioactive elements. Love the sky is falling used by those wanting fame and fortune. Wonder why he is ONLY an associate professor? Where is his boss and what he thinks of Dr. Blank's statements? BS to the max. Living is dangerous to your health. You ARE GOING TO DIE. Just a question of when and how. Get used to it.
In our area we have smart meters for both electric and water. Never had a problem with electric shut down. They do have a peak charge from 4 -7 PM (charge more per killowatt hour) . About 5 years ago,at about midnight, we heard an explosion and the lights went out. Called the utility company and they came out to replace meter. Moisture got inside. I asked them and they told me that they were replacing with the same type and, yes it could happen again. I'm moving off grid
Thank you, Scottie. Don't beam us up yet, your research and views are helpful. I'm happy with this information about how smart meters function and how the costs are higher, in the end. The Dutch Eneco energy-provider's website has created a Forum for smart-meter users, with questions and issues. Indeed, there's a lot of complaints by smart-meter users, about bills rising without a cause and after inquiring about it these smart-meter users are told that they've probably ignored devices using power or other similar explanations. A lame argument, when it's true that smart meter-readings show a detailed use of electricity in each room or floor of the house. Anyway, my publication of your videos and other critical voices pointing at the deceptive program around smart-meters, including the wrong info about the frequency of readings, when the data is transferred from smart-meter to energy-provider, plus the health-hazards of the including EMF radiation (elektro-smog) has triggered many negative and sarcastic remarks. The advisers, which seem to be, just like the smart-meter users, ordinary people, are possibly paid by Eneco to promote smart-meter use and trample critical remarks, calling me a conspiracy theorist, addressing me as if I'm a man. Here's the usual view, of men, that subjects like this are discussed by men whose wives are knitting legwarmers and mittens for when the power fails, using arguments like "I'm sure the risk of smart-meters is studied and measured thoroughly, I'm pretty sure we're safe" or "The risk of being run over by a car is much higher than dying from elektro-smog" or "Stop nagging, jeez, have a life!" which is exactly what I'm planning to have.... without a smart meter or smart phone. Knitting legwarmers :)
I'm an electrician ,have been saying for long time don't get smart meter ,they banned them in australia houses caught fire even resulted in deaths ,noise of radio wave high frequency messed around with thousands of peoples heads causing headaches ,that many people all had same issue cant be wrong ,suppose switch save power at certain times of night why were bills dearer,we all knew real reason was if had problem with bill and company did not listen or had trouble contacting real operator they could switch power off remotely straight away ,leaving you in dark .😮
30 years ago we used to only have storage heaters in the house. We were on 'Economy 7' tariff. So we used to have cheaper electricity (i think) between the hours of midnight and 7am. There must have been some way for the company to know even back then when we were using electricty. The idea was that you switched the heaters on at night to get them hot and then they'd switch off in the morning but carry on radiating heat during the day. Now we get a letter or a phone call about once every couple of months telling us what an opportunity is is to be able to have our very own smart meter fitted. And every time we tell them BOLLOCKS!
Smart meter allow airplanes in the air to locate a specific house below. This allows airplanes equipped with directed energy weapon to zap any house they want with 100% accuracy, like in California and in Greece recently..
Sadly... this is only the beginning. People better wake up quick. Stop awaiting some deity to fall out of the sky to help you. Find some courage in yourself to stand up. Praying, paying and obeying is only going to hurt us all in the long run. Find your voice.
A couple of things that might be worth pointing out. Firstly France used to supply at 220V, and when your max power was first allocated, it would have resulted in a certain current rating for the supply circuit breaker (I=P/V). The supply voltage then increased to 230V a few years back, so the current required to provide the 'same' power went down. It's only with the introduction of SmartMeters and incorporating a CB into it that it became economic to reduce the supply current rating to maintain the same power; so that's why it has only happened recently! You haven't been 'done', but until now have actually been 'allowed' more power than you were originally contracted for. Secondly, Power (P) or Apparent Power (VA) etc. is immaterial - The breaker trips with over current, so keeping the current below the rated value is the real 'trick'. I understand why you side step round Power Factor (PF), as for most viewers it would be far too techie, but by correcting the PF at the appliance, the supply current is reduced, freeing up the spare current for other appliances. I have done this on my fridge and ceiling fans, by connecting appropriately sized capacitors. The water heater and kettles etc run at unity PF anyway, so don't need them. Smart meters have their drawbacks, but they are not the bogeyman they seem - It's the implementation and tariff structure by the suppliers that are really at fault here! Incidentally, although the circuit breakers in the SmartMeter are electronic in operation (rather than the old electro mechanical) they generally have the same Type C profile. This means that they will still allow a higher surge current than the actual rated current without tripping, provided this is for a limited time. By monitoring your demand on an energy monitor (such as an Efergy or Owl) you can soon find out what you can 'get away' with, and for how long! I run my house on just a 3.45kVA (15A) supply, and have reduced the standing charge without affecting the quality of life. It can be done, but being an electrical engineer helps I suppose.....
Not "smart" for them ultimately. They are being sued into oblivion world wide (which only victims in the know, activists, and certain courts know about) and God certainly won't have anything planned out for these energy companies that's favorable to them b/c of blood guilt on their hands. Children and elderly are at the greatest risk, but these things are soooo strong that they're very dangerous for everyone. Smart meters almost killed me after 9 meters were moved into the electrical closet across the hall from my apartment. After 3 weeks I could no longer speak, walk, lift my head, my fingernails were separating from my fingers, my skin was burnt on scalp and face, when I swallowed food it felt like my throat and stomach were burnt, my brain was so fried from the radiation that it was making electronic noises (did you know that a brain can do that? it sounded like R2D2), I couldn't construct basic sentences in thought either, and my medical tests proved radiation damage to every organ. Every single organ. I was consequently homeless for 9 months trying to avoid meters. What you have to do is turn off your fuse box in order to stop the biological effects on your body caused by the smart meter on your electrical wiring. It's a literal life saver. What I went through I have 2 clients going through also, and my doctor said he's getting 2 new patients per week now developing the same issues. What Smart (Demon) Meters will do is make you permanently or semi permanently, impossibly sensitive to all electricity and your cell phone. I now have to have all clients put phones on airplane mode when they come in or I will collapse from pain of burning skin since I was so badly injured by smart meters. I work with the public so I have a small scale statistical view of about how many people this must be effecting world wide. It will get much worse if everyone doesn't demand landlines, get off their cell phones with exception of absolute and total necessity, put smart meter covers on their smart meters, shut off fuse boxes as much as possible, hard wire their laptops and desktops with ethernet (which is super easy and way better internet). The real reason smart meters are being installed is much more nefarious than anyone could ever realize, I assume, b/c of the class action lawsuits worldwide over it for the last 12 years that STILL aren't seeming to get people very far. (But remember that there was a $28 million study done in 1992 for 6 years by the country's leading radiation specialists and it proved extreme danger in long term use of any wifi, let alone the hundred times stronger smart meters. That information was swept under the rug. Although it was already known by the military in the 40s b/c it's the EXACT same technology.) Anyway, maybe smart meters are 1000 x stronger b/c people are reporting near death experiences world wide. Some of the radiation experts we've talked to are saying that doctors worldwide are calling them to get educated on how Smart meters work b/c the hospitals are being flooded with people who are radiation damaged since Smart Meters were installed. People in apartments will have it much worse b/c while they can shut off THEIR fuse boxes, you can't convince your neighbors to. While people in apartments in some states can opt out of smart meters, you can't convince your neighbors to. It was my neighbors' nine meters that almost killed me bc I opted out, but they didn't. HOWEVER, the opt out option is now becoming known to be a scam b/c they will just put a different meter on that has the same technology, which may be what they did with my opt out meter. OR they will say, "yeah no problem. We've got a guy available in 2 weeks to come out and take that off for you." ......... and they will never come. No matter how many times you call, they will never come out. So, you must do the things I've suggested above to save yourselves. OR move off grid to a wifi free and EMF free community, but MIGHT be far easier to arrange your home and business or office to be safe. Wifi free communities are starting to pop up all over the world though. Very embryonic stages but they are popping up everywhere which is very telling. There are now law firms devoted only to cell tower removal b/c cell phone technology is so lethal. Smart meters are FAR more dangerous bc they're strapped to your homes and one military weapons specialist said they are equal in strength to a military grade radiation weapon/they're more imminently lethal for some. Like I said, enough people are reporting near death after only 3 months or 6 months that imagine the untold suffering of people that don't know why they're dying. Somehow they heal in their cars, yet they go home and within an hour they are being rushed to hospitals. They heal in the hospital but then go home and almost die again, or they do die. Anyway, Class Action lawsuits worldwide, yet they haven't been shut down yet after 12 yrs of a massive fight. Silent, but massive. Media isn't covering it, yet it's far more dangerous than C*vid ever could be. Symptoms can be very similar b/c it attacks the lungs as well. Causes really violent vomiting, super human like fever b/c of radiation burning the body, etc. Better make sure your C*vid tests are truly accurate b/c that may not be what you have. When you call the energy companies to tell them what happened to your health, they will always hang up on you before you can say too much more. Then they have a supervisor call you back saying, "If you have any questions I can answer, please call ...." As if I didn't have only statements to make to her informing HER. I don't need her to answer questions with fake, scripted answers written by the questionable scientists hired by the energy companies.
Thanks Scottie. My supplier in the UK installed a smart meter after our old one stopped working. I didn't want a smart meter as I have solar panels (and it was always a joy to see that old spinning wheel run backwards) but I had no choice but to accept the new meter. I have been wondering why my electricity bills have been so high and I can see why if I am now paying for that "extra" power that they need to send in order to cover our usage.
In USA I learned it is your property & your choice regarding what is on your property. I learned you can buy the meter you want to use & the electrician gets a permit (it does not have to specify exactly what they are removing & installing) & then the electrician can remove your smartmeter & install the meter you bought instead!
Kinda like the gas pipelines in Atlanta, Georgia. However much they claim it costs them to send the gas through the lines (they claim they don't own them so they rent them to you) is how much higher your gas bill.
I think you will find that the power factor is the same, provided the equipment is the same. The losses incurred in supplying the power is the same, all that has changed is the method of measuring it ie from analogue to digital. This is a misleading post. Since I have had a smart meter for several years, they have in time improved them to an extent that I can now monitor usage on a continuous basis if I wish. The IHD has enabled me to save on average 8 pounds a month, simply by monitoring the usage of individual appliances and equipment, and modifying how they are used. For me the smart meter is an asset, with a complete lack of estimated bills.
@@aprilpeace3371 Nope. Here, if you do not comply, they will eventually just turn off your power. Sort of like what Trudo is doing now with banks and truckers. You do have rights, but they do not honor them. If you can afford the court expenses, then you may stand up for your rights.
I thought I was being wise by opting for a smart meter in London UK last year. The utility co told me it was free. A couple of months later, they put my monthly subs up from £97 to £118, citing increased energy buy-in costs. Yeah right... Worse, the wall unit that is supposed to tell me everything I need to know, gives estimated readings because of time lags. It also eats batteries. Jeez, did they see us coming! In the UK the belief now is that most of this crap has been politically motivated. To me, that means the big (international) companies have got to the politicos.
Not to mention you now have a wifi transmitter/receiver you can't switch off. My power supplier sent me a vastly inflated gas bill & demanded a photo of my (old, 'dumb') meter (with serial number visible) to prove my reading. Very fishy. Softening me up for a smart meter obvs. (UK btw.)
Well you have another option possibly. Quit bitching and get yourself a generator and run that for a year and compare pocket book before and after. It’s never the customers problem it’s always the power companies. Flipping power companies are overseen by regulation committees at least here in the states that being said contrary to popular belief they can’t do whatever they want.
When the California power company started installation of smart meters, I put a new analog meter in series after the power company's meter. Photographed the two daily and establish a relationship between them. I was ready for their shenanigans. Then we were allowed to opt out, which we did. Still have an analog meter today.
@Dave Micolichek Trust me when I say Smart meters do tend to be more expensive. They offer these cheap 'night rates' but make up for it with expensive rates during the times when you're actually using the power. Also, since they know when you consume the most electric, they can also sneakily change the rate at any time, charging you the higher rate at any point without you being any the wiser. So, yes, the meter is largely to blame.
and yet nobody talks about the additional features or the sudden disappearance of many short term outages... its like with new smart grids they can better balance power across the electrical network... and cut off fallen lines and other issues.... you also dont need a disconnect in some instances as the smart meter is now both... so when you run solar its not a major hassle...
@@Tom_Neverwinter i have tiny outages after the smart meter was installed, pretty annoying. Never had them in the past. Its a lot more frequent that the news talk about outages in large areas for several hours now than ever before... Depressing, its like walking backwards
I don’t understand it. We have washed out our education system to where people who are functionally illiterate can graduate high school. They cannot find jobs, go on relief rolls, or sell drugs, do something illegal to get by. It doesn’t take even a high school graduate to read a meter. What’s wrong with employing these people? The cost of paying high-paid computer programmers and high-paid electrical engineers to make the smart meters could be diverted to low-paid meter readers.
But smart meters do not get bit by dogs, threatened by angry customers for no pay disconnects, fall on ice walking routes... The list goes on and on this is why automated meters are here. There are new job opportunities involved with the technology.
I'm reading over and over about health, charges and fires when smart meters are installed, there's too many people complaining, no way they're all lying!!.... HOWEVER I have a story to share about welded contacts and fires. We lost power for 2 days, so I killed my 150 or 200A main breaker, (which most homeowners never touch it) and took my meter off, and ran my generator. Power came back, disconnected my generator, turned on the Main breaker, and smoke immediately started coming out!! It caught fire as I stood at staring at it! I killed the power again, pulled my meter again and found the main breaker hotter than hell. Guess what was wrong?? Homeowners don't pull their meters, ever. They also never shut off the Main breaker of 150 or 200 Amps. Turns out that outside where the main lines come in the house, there is no drip loop, They sealed the wire with their stupid ass puddy, it leaked and corroded the main breaker for years. Because you never pull your meter and your main, the contacts stay tightly together. As soon as you turn it to off, it will not make that same good connection again due to corrosion. Fire was caused by a tiny leak, corroded contacts, and disturbing those contacts when I pulled my meter and shut off my main... What if we I turned it back on it still worked, the contacts still supplied me with power and I walked away. As soon as I turned on an electric dryer and an oven pulling 50Amps, those contacts would have failed and could start a fire... When this 1st happened, I was stumped, and very concerned. But once I found the problem, I realistic that this can happen to anyone who disturbs the connections as I did. I guarantee you, with no hesitation, that a similar thing similar to this has burned homes down. SORRY FOR THE BOOK!!
I found your video interesting, especially from the standpoint of how France requires a “subscription” level according to the service main size. Here in California, it doesn’t matter if you have a 100 amp or an 400 amp main, all residential customers (at least from our provider) pay the same rate for energy. Assuming they are on the same tariff. Tiered or time-of-use...you can choose either.
In Finland it is same in most places. In Helsinki it is 5.51 € up to 3x63 A. But in some places it can be for example 37.50 € for 3x25 A, 71 € for 3x35 A and 135 € for 3x63 A. It is not uncommon to have 3x25 A even with electric heating. They then make so that when you turn the sauna on the heating goes off. You of course pay also for energy you use. Also joining the network is more expensive te larger the main fuse.
I see that no comments have been made for a long time. What you may not understand, and it is something that I had to accept, is that I did not create the grid nor do I have any control if it. Smart meters are there for the benefit of the power company and not for those buying power. The language that they speak is not about a greener world. It is the power company always getting more the green stuff out of your bank account. That is what Smart meters are all about. Don't be distracted by side issues. They were installed because the mechanical meters would turn backwards and take money out of their bank account at full retail price and that had to stop.. For the last 100 years transformers on power poles have been rated in KVA. That has been going on for that long. I don't use enough electricity so they charge me a fee for using too little power.
@@markdaicz3048 it was an article from a paper, three months ago roughly, it was read on mark ceylon's channel, one of the three, Mark seylon or srilankerc.
In the uk they are selling the idea by giving you a separate pointless display gadget to “help you save power “by looking at what you use . I would hope to imagine most people know that switching on more lights and other items uses more units. Another way of control over the public by providing a grown up toy pice of crap to entice the idea. I will not be having one until the law demands it. Small power factor correction unit could possibly help if you are stuck with one?
christastic100 - I'm also in the UK and absolutely agree about your first point. We had one of these damned meters foisted on us about three years ago and have got sicker and sicker ever since. In your penultimate sentence you say that you won't be having one until the law demands it. Why do we put up with being dictated to. We should be more like the french, don our yellow vests and just say NO! We do not consent.
Totally agree with this. I've had a smart meter installed twice, on the second one the 'smart monitor' didn't even work and I ended up paying a huge final bill. Now I'm with a company that doesn't use these dodgy devices, for now at least
Some of the morons in this country out in Cali, signed up with Google where it controls everything in their homes. Google went down for a day so the brainwashed twits were locked out of their houses. I keep my phone powered off unless I need to contact someone. Using it as a flashlight to fix the furnace I'd laid it down on the ping pong table and 2 minutes later it started blaring a damn rap song! I never listen to rap and never listen to any music on that thing.
Their losses in THEIR LINES is not my problem. My agreement starts at my meter, not the power meter at the power plant, 20 km away. They should buy copper lines, not aluminum too transmit power. Copper transmits with less heat, that is less a loss. Fight out man.
Aluminum is actually a pretty decent conductor, and is 1/2 the weight and 1/3 the cost. They also use a 50% larger diameter cable than would be used with copper, so the loss is exactly the same. Electricity would be RIDICULOUSLY expensive if copper were used.
Pretty simple. The meter is always online, transmitting data, monitoring etc, and is using YOUR energy to maintain itself. I'd demand proof its not eating your own power and its measuring correctly. If not then theres ways to either demand paying the historic amount or not at all and take it to the ombudsman
@@sneakyguy4444 It does not use your energy at all, they take their supply before they monitor your consumption, and they do not transmit all the time, but in short bursts once a day when they upload, and when they handshake with the local cell site.
Thanks for posting this info. I have been expecting power companies to start charging for VA (Volt-Amperes) for some time now. In your example; 0.9 power factor, the generating capacity has to 11% above the RMS (Root Mean Square) value to supply this imperfect load. However, due to the long transmission line distance between the power generation point and your home, the power company has to actually supply many times that 11% due to the power lines radiating harmonics (which gets absorbed by anything nearby the power lines). I suspect power companies are getting squeezed by intense pressure to keep costs as low as possible yet, the demand for power keeps rising, which means they have to continuously update thousands of miles/kilometers of power lines to keep which is very expensive. I suspect the Smart Meters are one such attempt to more accurately measure actual of power. I also realize the power company could easily use this to their advantage. Speaking for myself, I have been concerned about power factor at home for about the past 5 years. I have been choosing appliances and light bulbs that have a power factor of 0.9 or higher. Not only is this good for the Grid, it also helps if we are without power due to a storm. That limited amount of power the generator produces goes farther.
I was intrigued by your comment about radiating harmonics losses. Resistive losses and hysteresis losses add up but I'm not familiar with harmonic losses. It appears you are talking about parasitic inductive loads to use a different term? Back to the reasoning behind higher losses during poor power factor load, air conditioning load is the worst culprit. AC units are an inductive (motors) load. This load usually happens during particularly high consumption periods. As heat losses from generator to consumer are current squared, the losses increase substantially during hot weather. It doesn't help that the circuits have higher resistance when warm, slightly aggravating the situation. Utilities have large capacitor banks that help but the losses do add up. Just for interest, during high inductive load, the generators have to increase their excitation current to provide more reactive power resulting in a different loss that isn't really measured. As a percentage, this loss is minimal. (more excitation current = more current to the magnetic poles to increase the magnetic field that passes across the output coils thus increasing the generator voltage)
I knew if I read enough comments I would find two guys that actually had a brain. Thank you both for some technical insight and a conspicuous lack of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. Am I the only one that noticed, the "smart meters" we have in the states don't limit the current? He keeps talking about smart meters in France having a breaker that will trip at 45 amps. Maybe I just misunderstood? Also, I find it slightly amusing how the typical American 200-amp service is considered small by modern standards. And in France, 45 amps and seems to be the norm!
Another Issue - watched a tear down video and these smart meters and they can measure True, Apparent and Reactive power thanks to KVA billing. Simply put, you can be billed more for using the same wattage.
would be 10 hours at 6000 watts, 26 amps at 240 volts, about the same draw as the common US electric clothes dryer, my car only has a 25 kilowatt hour battery but I only charge at 3000 watts since my first Leaf only could charge at that rate
I really get and enjoy your humor! Very refreshing, especially on a tech site! I don't get, however what you are saying; not because of poor conveyance... it's ME! Example: Every time a technician would service my heat pump, they always felt compelled to explain the physics of how it worked (possibly because I'm a nice guy) & they seemed to think if I understood this, that perhaps I could save $$$ and do some maintenance myself. I always listened attentively until there were done and afterwards I never understood a WORD! Even though thru the years it's been explained a dozen times. P.S. I live in U.S. I don't detect an accent...France?!? Really!
I used to be a mechanic and currently work in telecom, and a lot of the time, we're just used to explaining what we're doing and why we're doing it. A lot of people are "helicopter" customers that just HAVE to know the whats and whys and how things work, either out of general curiosity, or because they think they can catch us trying to take shortcuts, etc.
@Dave Micolichek It's amusing to see people attack other people over subjects like smart meters. Instead of considering the overwhelming proof of the many dangers caused by idiot meters, they use ad hominem attack against the person who is concerned, while tossing out their nonsensical opinion about the subject. Marxism 101 at work with Dave Micoliechek - another useful idiot satan is using. Pfffft.......
@Dave Micolichek What does using the internet have to do with idiot meters? Nothing! I have a hard-wired computer, with the wifi off, so how am I being a hypocrite for being hyper-sensitive to non-ionizing radiation? Why did France (and others) ban wireless in schools,. libraries, and public buildings? I suggest you go to Deborah Tavares channel, and learn about the many dangers of NON-ionizing radiation. While ionizing radiation may have more dangers, that does NOT make non-ionizing radiation safe. I have to wonder why you are defending non-ionizing tradition, like a useful idiot for the evil entity. What is your profession?
If you GREATLY reduce your electric (or natural gas) consumption because you insulated your house... bought highly efficient air conditioner... etc etc... THEN the company will ASSUME your meter is broken because your consumption is far less than last year. THEN they will simply charge you according to what usage you had LAST YEAR during the same month!! Isn't that NICE of them to do that (not). This makes all your efforts to REDUCE YOUR BILL POINTLESS!! They did that to me with my natural gas usage one year.... and my electric usage another year. I seriously doubt my meters went bad.... they just have standard policies & procedures that screw the consumer when we become frugal users of their product!
I am not sure about the health effects. But I heard that"smart meters" can cut your power remotely. This enable the power company to avoid peak power plants.
Speaking of which in terms of cutting off power during Peak demand. They should go back to do metered systems and have non-critical loads on one and everything else on the other. You know in other countries they have to do right meters. N15 Paragould houses we actually originally had to meet even though there was only one family living there. One meter was the stare of meter for everything but one device. The other device was a 50 gallon electric hot water heater. It was on a meter that had it in a new grid time switch. A k a timer that was set before the meter was installed. It would only turn on during certain times of day. The excess to set the timer which is a mechanical timer was sealed. Times of day were fixed bike Rippers inside the meter fishbowl. But there was a flat head screw like thing on the shaft to set the time to the proper time wish I had a cover that had a meter seal through it. Also later on at the newer house still in Wisconsin by the way. They offered a program where there was a meter that was an off-peak meter that registered power at different times at different cost per kilowatt hours. Basically you'd use what you could it was Heavy loads at night and are hours of off-peak use. We actually wind up using Climbers on heavy appliances. We actually had a heavy duty outdoor lighting timer on our dehumidifier even. Also I was tempted to build a device and hook into the washing machine and dryer so that we could turn him on without being there at the right time. Now with the capability of doing smart grid things like that can be set up automatically on some appliances. Under smart grid settings. Or something somewhere.
Two so-called 'smart meters' installed with a solar power system, on the transformers, immediately made me so sick I had to move out. Avoid smart meters!!
Last week I finally got rid of my smart meter after 9 years. When they put it in, I was renting and so it would have been hard for me to get rid of. But I bought the place 3 years ago. They are rolling out 5G where I live in Florida and it has been making me sick. So I have been looking for other ways to reduce my exposure. A huge ping every two minutes. If I had know I would have found a way to get rid of it years ago. OPT OUT!
@J.P.S 💚 According to the 9th District Court, you are the one likely to be having the mental health problems if you are into 5G. Case 20-1025 EHT/CHD v FCC re: FCC Order 19-126 re: the FCC’s Insufficient Analysis of the Adequacy of the RF/MW Radiation Exposure Guideline The U.S. Federal Court ruled on August 13, 2021, that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) must explain why it ignored science showing harm from radiofrequency/microwave (RF/MW) radiation as the FCC failed to respond to evidence that the testing of cell phones is flawed; to address evidence of prenatal harm, a potential link to ADHD, and harm to children; evidence that this radiation causes electro-sensitivity; blood-brain barrier damage; cognitive & neurological problems; and evidence of mechanisms of harm; harm from long-term exposure; pulsation, modulation, and the effects of new technologies like Wi-Fi & 5G. The Court noted that the FCC failed to address evidence of environmental harm. The court remanded the decision to the FCC. Find out more reject5g.info/2021/09/01/a-crack-in-the-dam/
for those having health issues, wrap the meter in a tin foil blanket or run a single wire wrapped around the meter box at finger width distance apart from each loop and ground it out to the ground wire. wireless hacking prevention signal is blocked.
Um, this is nothing to do with the smart better and power factor. There's just a tighter tolerance on the breaker. It should have been set to 39.1A if it was supposed to limit you to 9kW. The breaker doesn't care about power factor. It's only looking at current.
Right, except the old main breakers weren't so adjustable. They were only adjustable to certain values. 3-phase breakers were typically adjustable to 20, 30, 40, 50, or 60A per phase. Single phase was usually 15, 25, 35 or 45A limit. So, for 9kW, they set it to 45A. That was nice. Now they're setting it precisely to 39.1A since the smart meters here can do that. Since we don't have massive hundred-amp hookups here as standard, people have to pay more for a beefier subscription. On top of it they say the smart meters are free, but they're actually passing the cost onto the consumer. And then on top of THAT, it turns out the power company here (which is the only choice where I live), did some evil financial nonsense with loans so that they were gonna pass an additional $500 million onto consumers. They got caught on that one, altho I don't think the case is over yet. The same has been repeated in at least 2 other countries I know of.
John Lockwood I just bought one haven’t received it yet but my daughter room is where the smart meter is located and she’s been feeling real ill since we moved here a year ago. Mine is in my backyard so how will the get to it if I’m not home and my dog is in the back😬
In the UK energy companies have been conning their consumers out of money by over-estimating future consumption and then investing the money they have effectively acquired under false pretenses to part for their holidays in the Seychelles. The backlash has been that many consumers like myself are no0 longer prepared to pay in advance for their energy usage and I now only pay for my actual usage based on my own monthly meter reading that I take personally from my analog meter and submit to the energy company's website. For the same reason I refuse to accept a smart meter as this takes its own readings of my usage and is software driven and so can be tampered with by the energy company remotely to bump up my bill. By sticking to cog and gears at least I know that the energy company aren't sending a little man with a screw driver round to fiddle with the mechanism all they can do is lie about the cost of energy asnd bump my tariff and standing charges up without justification..
I'm buying electricity - not selling my information. You may just as well have a damn camera and microphone in the house - oh, with the IoT, you got it! And a remote limit / kill switch with 10,000 radio bursts an hour? Yeah, that really is tech working FOR me.
All we need is accurate meters that can be easily read. I guess we need to install " check meters" once we all have ( so-called) smart meters imposed upon us !
Why? Smart meters just simplified smart grids. Making managing loads easier....but you must enjoy blackouts... And generally being in the dark in reality... And in your head...
So basically, the power company wants to charge everyone for their power loses due to grid resistance. Instead of getting paid for individual consumer usages.
EXACTLY JAMES! Losses in the system were always classed as cost of business but they want us to pay for their inefficiency! The other problem and I KNOW this happens because I used to wear an energy suppliers uniform. As I got out of the truck an old pensioner complained to me that his bill had jumped enormously since a smart meter was installed in his humble abode. He had done nothing new except replace and old "gas guzzling" fridge with a new higher star rated fridge. After listening to his story I believe the further your home is from the power source, the more apparent power you use so in this example his bill is more for the same usage as a home situated next to the transformer both are drawing from. Using one of those fancy wireless kWH meters you can get for your home so you can gauge your usage is now not proof enough that you didn't incur the cost to the power company to supply your power and will not help your case because as the fellow in this vid says, they measure in kVA now. So you can jump up and down but they are measuring what is needed to supply your home, not what you actually consumed. Although the new smart meter measures your actual power usage more accurately and that's usually bad luck for us it ALSO adds in the losses the power company used to have to deal with. All said and done we all have to watch what we use and try to limit usage. The Earth can't handle an endless number of power suckers that we are becoming. Somethings gotta give so take the big hint, reduce your power consumption.
@@jed2055 It has nothing to do with distance from generation etc. Your power factor is dependent on your equipment and nothing else. What can happen is that the voltage you receive may reduce if there is seriously high inductive loads in the area, it pulls down the voltage. The costs of transmission loss is always included somewhere along the line. The only reason that people are paying more, is that the old meter was under reading.
@@@Eddiecurrent2000 I got hysteresis when I read your reply. Fact is many transmission cables are continually being upgraded to reduce power loss through resistance. Resistance increases over distance and temperature. I not only worked as a linesman but prior to that I completed my apprenticeship as a sparky. We had to upsize conductors to enable better voltage to the customer. Lower voltages means inefficient power usage. IE appliances working at lower voltages use more power. When we introduced aluminium we had to increase the diameter because as you know it has a higher resistance than copper for any given length. Part of the load on a system is the built-in resistance of the conductors on each supply line. Here in Queensland Australia we run overland transmission lines at 500,000v to a) keep conductor size down and b) reduce the percentage of voltage drop. Voltage drop is caused by resistance. So the drop is factored in and measurable. Power stealers have been caught because the voltage drop has increased. People thought they could drive a big transformer under the line out in the boonies pick up voltage inductively and not get caught. This action adds resistance to the line and introduces measurable increases in voltage drop changes as it is monitored at the source and destination. These thieves are always caught. As for inductance, whoot! When working on 11kV HV lines that ran more or less parallel with overhead 330,000v transmission lines, we had to earth what we were working on all over the place or cop belts on any metallic object on the pole that was electrically connected to the line. But I digress, voltage drop is the big issue with transmission and with smart meters we the consumer will pay for the losses. I thought that was fairly obvious to anybody familiar with electricity. From: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/kva-reactive-d_886.html Apparent Power - S. The apparent power is the power supplied to the electric circuit - typical from a power supplier to the grid - to cover the real and reactive power consumption in the loads. Thanks for your reply eddiecurrent. I do get amped up about electricity.
When they came to do my meter I questioned the operator extensively and was told that eventually, everyone in PA was to be changed over by the year 2020. Nothing has changed, my electric bill is almost the same as previous years.
Except... the electric company charges a monthly fee to Come to the house to read the meter if you refuse to switch. That fee starts and then goes up. To Chuck Howard (below). In my area the electricity is 23 cents a KW and BECAUSE I have a SMART METER they can monitor what time I use electricity and how much I use. My billing rate jumps up to more than double between 5PM and 8PM. How much does it change?....it goes to 47 cents/ kW. This is the time when families come home from work and need electricity. The electric company is in a much better position. They can exploit your need, lay off 98% of the meter readers, charge you for KVA and therefore you pay more and get less, and if you dont let them put their meter on the house then that extra $10 for reading your meter is likely to go up.
Yeah but the US use 110 volts, the rest of us use 220/240 volts ......simple....... half the voltage double the current watts/volts=amps.....ie 10000W/110V=90.9A. Or 10000W/230V=43.47A
uhhh... US homes are supplied a 240 Split Phase so i'm not sure where you got that Info from... My house has a 240V 200A Main Disconnect. Internal power plugs are 120Va mostly due to safety, Legacy devices, and the fact that 240 is only used for large high load 30+amp Circuits.older homes from 30-40's and on were wired 240 mostly. some of the REALLY old stuff still has fuses but most of its Changed over. and most Lines All supply Split Phase. Single Phase 240 is Super dangerous to come in contact with in regards to death from shock, while 240 Split Phase Means your Variance from ground is only ever 120 volts.
Xyphren interesting. We live on the edge here. 400 to 415 volts between phases and 230 to 240 single phase. Most houses here are single phase with a 60amp fuse.
We have 230 V single phase in the Netherlands and i had as a electrician lots of shocks and i am still alive.It just depends were you are shocked,just one finger and you pull your finger in a instant.Finger in one hand and finger in the other hand on zero and then its becomes dangerous.
Bleeding Diesel903 200A is overkill? Perhaps for older households, but with the growing trend for 4+ Tv's, each with a cable decoder, 1-2 DVR's, 2-3 high end gaming consoles, and more gaming computers than residents, on top of the usual utilities (fridge, washer, drier, dishwasher), with the potential for all that to be on at once, and 100A isn't enough.
Simply a way to squeeze a bit more money out of you. They actually DO NOT cut off your power if you exceed the subscription; they simply automatically upgrade you to the next higher subscription. (it is against the law for them to un-announced cut off your power. They MUST by law notify you if your power is to be cut off. This is because of liability from people that use medical devices that must remain powered.)
This is what happens when politicians interfere with markets, the power companies have always worked with the losses in mind and the tariff rate allows for the losses.
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I'll apply the original definition of Smart as in , causing 'sharp pain' to this word.
There are no positives, when I was at work, my meter was changed.Soon after the next bill is, with the same usage,went up nearly $20.00. The hell with this. I can't go back either. Ffff
@@victoreous626 oh, I agree. It was more a question born out of curiosity. There are some states where it is illegal to collect rain water, which I think is absurd. It seems to me very immoral and unjust to enforce such laws.
The old meters knows what power you have used but not what the prevailing tariff was when it was used. In the UK, the price of electricity changes every half hour, dependent on demand and the plant on line to supply that demand. Peak periods (mealtimes, something good on TV) can see huge increases in the price of electricity at these times. With a Smart meter, not only will it know what power you have used but the time at which it was used and the tariff at this time. So, if you want to use power during peak periods, you will pay handsomely for the privilege! The UK no longer has a coherent energy policy, closing power stations to "save the planet"too much reliance on renewables. Just wait for the first cold winter with a blocking anti cyclone (no wind) and see what electricity will cost then! Any company that say that these things save you money are lying! There is not one industry, business or company on the planet that would encourage or even welcome a a cut in profits or cash flow.
@@Eddiecurrent2000 Explain to me something........if they are about saving us money - why wouldn't they just cut their prices? The House of Commons stated the average saving from a Smart Meter was £6 a year. Why spend £12 Billion to save each household and business £6 a year? It doesn't make sense and if it doesn't make sense - it's not true. The reason is tiered charging and data collection.
Richard Madden firstly it isn’t really about cutting costs, but usage, secondly it’s also about realtime data being used to see where network reinforcement is needed, thirdly it’s about making billing easier, accurate and actually more simple. It’s not really about saving you money per se, but giving you the chance to see what your minute by minute usage is. But in reality it’s really about using the data to profile usage and trends and to provide more accurate charging structures depending on time of day usage etc. They’re not interested in what you’re doing with the electricity and they can’t tell what you’re doing with it.
@@Eddiecurrent2000 They certainly can tell "what you're doing with it". The high-resolution energy consumption data which are transmitted to the utility company allow intrusive identification and monitoring of equipment within consumers’ homes (e. g., TV set, refrigerator, toaster, and oven). Our research shows that the analysis of the household’s electricity usage profile at a 0.5s −1 sample rate does reveal what channel the TV set in the household was displaying. It is also possible to identify (copyright-protected) audiovisual content in the power profile that is displayed on a CRT, a Plasma display TV or a LCD television set with dynamic backlighting. Our test results indicate that a 5 minutes-chunk of consecutive viewing without major interference by other appliances is sufficient to identify the content. www.nds.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/media/nds/veroeffentlichungen/2012/07/24/ike2012.pdf
You touched on the monitoring of power use against time, some of these meters can differentiate between different equipment so the power companies can gather substantial data bases of your occupancy and what your doing. Imagine the benefit of knowing your occupancy routine to a telemarketer for example. We need someone to build a damper or filter device to strip out the info before it gets to the power company.
LC does not appear to be advocating tampering with the meter itself. Just some sort of device that would "scramble (for lack of a better term) any appliance-specific signatures before they reach the meter. The actual power consumed (and recorded) would not change and the power company would not lose any billing revenue. What they would lose is any potential side revenue gained by selling your personal habits/information to 3rd parties. There is literally no legitimate reason why the power company needs to know anything about your usage habits aside from peak load times.
Bregil, there is so much ignorance and disinformation about what a smart meter can do. Those meters don't have the capacity to capture appliance specific consumption, other than perhaps the water heater, oven, furnace or air conditioner. Those are big loads and consume large peak current. That information is USELESS to anyone but the power company. They don't sell that data because no one cares when your water heater kicks on. What you need to be concerned about are things like Alexa that LISTENS TO YOU AT ALL TIMES. Or your web browsers that keep track of the things you search for or shopping sites you visit.
I completely agree with you on the privacy threat that web browsers and "services" like Alexa pose. It's very much a challenge these days to even attempt to live a life that doesn't involve someone tracking your every move for ad revenue.........
You are nothing more than an ignorant fear monger spreading FUD. A smart meter has no way of determining what devices in a home are drawing power. A smart meter is recording what the old meter recorded; the total amount of power use since the last reading The utilities could have always sold that data to anyone in the past, however people are making shit up because they don't know a damned thing.. No doubt there will come time when new or remodeled build will be wired to support load management, but that's years into the future. Interfere with the utilities billing could get someone disconnected.
Let's look at why we do not need smart meters. #1 A smart meter will hurt or even KILL disabled homeowners who have disabled medical implants. The average of deaths by smart meter radiation and smart meter fires is almost 100 every month in North America. #2 Did you know if your power company “turned off” the power to your home when they did a smart meter install, your chance of a smart meter fire increased by a factor of 10,000. #3 Your power company has access to all of you private power information. Eg When you make tea, when you turn on your alarm etc. This private information is sold to Google for huge sums of money. Ask your power company what the second radio transmitter in your smart meter does. (ZigBee) #4 A smart meter will cause cancer to return if your family members who are fighting cancer at home. If they come home from the hospital and sleep near a smart meter, they will die. Check with the US Cancer Society website. #5 Smart Meter RADIATION will turn off breakers in your home. Both AFCI's and GFI's get turned off by the radiation from the smart meter. #6 You smart meter is very accurate, BUT, the software (firmware) is programmable. Your bill has nothing to do with the power you use. #7 Smart meter radiation is breaking Ionic Bonding. #8 A huge expenditure for a huge loss. Billions of dollars to purchase something that does not general generate any power and each smart meter need 4 watts to operate. One million smart meters use 4,000 KILOWATTS of energy to operate. #9 The second radio transmitter is for ZigBee. If you want your power company to MONITOR your home 24/7, then you are in luck. Don’t forget, this private information will be sold. Why do you think your power company spends BILLIONS of dollars and does not generate one watt of extra power to sell?
Do you know any attorney that would take on my power company for refusing to remove their smart meter from my apartment, even after I opted out? This crap is making me sick, dirty electricity, EMF burnout.
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I am in New Zealand and our power company tried to bully me into getting smart meter after I refused it . 2 days later a power dude was in my back yard with his tool box ready to install it .I just reminded him if he touches my meter box he will get assaulted .he packed his stuff and left . Stay viligant people don't let them bully you
j f Why so worried about smart meters? What is the transmit power and RF frequency used in your area that makes you worry? EMF is way more of a concern from a smart phone when it’s sending with boosted power to reach a far away antenna tower (if you have 1 or 2 bars on the signal).
j f Interesting, they need to explain why the cost goes up.
@j f Does the PUC in your region allow that to happen ? Locally, the PUC makes up the rules.
@j f You have yours, I have my experiences with smart meters, and others have theirs. I wish you well.
Harley leitch here in Alaska the power company was going to shit me off at zero below weather if I wouldn’t allow them to upgrade meter which is how they’re able to force us since you freeze to death here in ala without power so we’re all sick feeling all the time. Constant Head aches blooded noses my roommate had a stroke and is paralyzed and she and I are forced to live with this against our bedroom wall. We’re unable to sleep at all anymore. Cant focus anymore memory problems and we’re considering selling our home and leaving the country because we believe our government is trying to kill us. Their own Military web site Dregle that says 80% of the population will be gone by 2025 I spent hours reading their own documents that actually read like a horror story and nobody believes me even though it’s public information nobody reads them and refuses to believe our own government is trying to kill us by any means possible.
"Broadband Over Power Lines" we call it here in the States. The power Company can remotely shut off your power at will for ANY reason. Your fault, their mistake - it doesn't matter, suddenly you are literally in the dark. It is a problem that is completely unfair and should be illegal.
couldnt they do that anyway?
Just happened to me and I need electric for medical equipment
This has always been true. One switch in the control room and you are out
@@freakboynv2000With the old dumb meters, they had to physically come out, pull the meter out of the socket, put non-conductive plastic covers over the meter's tabs, plug it back in, and put a locking ring around it... or, disconnect the drop at the pole.
Nothing labelled Smart is in your best interest, Being only the paying customer.
As soon as I had my power company removed our smart meter and replaced it with an older style meter, our bill dropped significantly to where it had averaged the past 30 years. That was really great after it went up 300% after it was installed.
That's great! 👍🎯
@@valerieirvin249 he’s lying. No electricity company would remove a smart meter once installed
@@comfortablynumb8832 our local company allows for smart meter to be switched out for a cost and extra monthly fee.
@@vfsd234 what’s the company called please
@@sunnies336 not in U.K.
I own a small detail shop, power company came by and installed smart meters and told me I had no say so about it and that all businesses were getting smart meters before they do home owners. Within a month all of my large air compressors were dead. I called a repairman who before he even looked at the compressor, checked the voltage coming to the building. Most large equipment needs 240-250v, which is what I had prior, now it was topping out at 230v. That made my compressors overheat and fried the motors. I called the power company and basically they told me tough luck. I was advised to hire an electrician to evaluate my power needs and he would have to tell them to up my voltage which they would then charge me a heck of a lot more for. So yeah, dude is spot on about how bad they are.
www.amazon.com/Monitor-HOMREE-Voltmeter-Household-Directly/dp/B0744GWFRM
Anything like this is cheap and easy to install.
Try to find two different outlets, one for each of the 2 phases.
As you are finding out, *LOW* voltage is a *KILLER* for electrical motors.
Phone in every time your voltage drops.
Log the complaints.
The best way to stop these criminals is with paperwork.
Best of LUCK Damien.
One more though. only run one compressor at any given time if you have more than one.
If a compressor runs at 20 amps, then the start up draw is 10 times higher than the running amperage.
For a very short time the startup current draw will be near 200 amps.
Guess what thay does to your line voltage? Line voltage will drop.
Computers and anything electronic will also suffer from the lower voltage.
Yeah I meant I burned one out, then burned out my back up compressor, that's when i knew something was wrong. Never had them running at the same time.
Those plug in ones are really cheap on Ebay. Not perfect, but they are on all the time and seem to be reasonably accurate.
Your power company knows most of us will not spend $1000 to have an electrician do a power check.
That's why I suggest you get a cheap monitor and phone in a complaint every time you see the voltage drop.
If they don't like your method of monitoring their line voltage, then you can suggest they check your power for free.
after 100 complaints or more, you can also go to your Utility commission and complain. ;-)
Best of luck my friend. 👍👍
I would of told them tough luck for you because if you dont reimburse me for my losses then you will compensate fully for negligence , liability and destruction of my property underba commercial lien on your ass.
The power company installed a smart meter on my house. When I had them remove it, all at once my crazy screaming Roosters stopped crowing and calmed down.
There is no such thing as a free smart meter, the cost of it is included in your bills, that's why your bills increase
I have operated a metal fab shop doing a lot of welding. We did a experiment with our spot welder. With a spot welder there is a almost instantaneous high current draw. With the old wheel meter the wheel just moved quickly but with the new one the kw usage stays on for around 2 seconds after the load stops charging me 2 extra seconds for that draw. Now I know 2 seconds don’t sound like a big deal but the welder draws around 2kw. It is not uncommon to cycle this machine over 1000 times a hour. Now do the math! Long story short my bill has risen around 15%. I have expressed my concern to the utility company and was told it is impossible for the new meter to bill be the extra 2 seconds and that I could not get back my old style meter. There is absolutely no doubt this is happening when I compared old bills. Once again the big institution wins! Just raise my prices I guess but this is complete BS! Makes you wonder how much more these organized criminals are stealing from the general public across the country.
ABSOULTELY BS THESE COMPANIES! My late father was a draftsman for Duncan electric meters in the '60's. The old school analog meters NEVER lied! Digital is a corrupt deceptive way to be lazy a$$es to not go out and read meters and yet charge the people more. Just like many politicians they think we the people are so freaking stupid to understand this.
Digital meters are more accurate. The mechanical meters are less accurate meaning they can slow down over time.
There are Standards the meters must comply with. They are NOT out to get anyone.
@@stevecampbell7620 they are not, only accurate while being calibrated. Check other youtube videos, especially from UK where people filming digital meters reading consumption even few times higher than actual consumption. I personally got such meter in my collection. Internal electronic components might slightly change characteristics or fail over the time and this might affect microcontrollers analog input readings used to sense the actual current or voltage. Best solution is to install second meter in line, so you can check time to time if readings still match.
take 2 seconds over all the customers and the power company gains a lot of extra profit while not providing electricity. Amounts to a big amount for the Christmas party.
As apprentice electrician I'd say these are more in the favor of the distributor than the consumer.
For sure, smart meters do not benefit the customer only the supplier, I have one and are about £5 worse off a month which doesn't sound much I know but over the next twenty years including everyone else here in the UK its millions of ££££
@@badlieutenant3822 then why add extra items that enable a local shutoff for items like solar.... please balance that giant load without sectioning it off for safety and efficiency... its also more accurate in many respects...
Youre french
Of course.
As a consumer I disagree.
Once your health is gone.....nothing else matters. It is the #1 consern
*ConCern
@@allaboutroofing2 shit man, you know youre bad when you get corrected by a roofer...
@@troyb3659 better than being illiterate and living in mom's basement apparently. 🤷
@@allaboutroofing2 *CuntsEarn
Scared of Rf radiation so I’m gonna put a radio right in my face to complain about it.
i love the way people are lording this as a great thing... its putting meter readers out of work and extending the lines at the social security/ Job seekers office and reducing the Actual total capacity is just bad busness, we get ripped off enough for our energy without British gas treating critical resorces like mobile data
No mention of the RF interference that these things are causing. This makes it virtually impossible for many people to use sensitive amateur radio receivers and short wave receivers. They're on a much higher frequency than Short Wave, but the interference goes right through the radio spectrum from LF upwards. Have you noticed how much poorer the quality of sound is on your AM radio over the past few years? We’re in the U.K., and used to listen to BBC Radio 4 on 198kHz very regularly. It's now almost impossible to hear the audio at times, because of the really high levels of noise, which is mostly from smart meters. DAB broadcasting covers some of the lost service, but not all of it. And DAB radios use more power than analogue receivers.
Be a shame if a couple mirrors shined the sun on them over heating them to the point they shut down
Washington state West coast here. They told us with these smart things😕 that between the hours of 5pm and 9pm, they can charge us up three times as much money for what we are useing ! So, we have been switching off everything at the breaker, between the hours of 5pm until 9:01pm. We have saved SO MUCH MONEY it's crazy!! Ya, we have mega discipline in my house!⚓
Amazing how I started using more power after they installed a smart meter
Shane Ellis it’s a big scam ...
Robbie lacey Jones same am just about to get one..last 2 half months my bill was 547 pounds. They tell me a new smart meter will sort it out. Think they want everyone with a free Smart meter
Robbie lacey Jones ok thanks Iv just heard a lot of people saying it cost more for bills after the install .
My bill dropped after they installed my meter.
They don't call it "smart" because it is good for your wallet, they call it "smart" because it is good for their bank account. Smart move on their part that is.
I live in a 1500 sq ft 2 story house with a 3.5 ton HVAC AC system. It's sprayed foamed to r 19 in the walls and R 60 in the attic.
The House is pretty much an igloo. Completely sealed. Extremely insulated. Light grey metal roof which is highly reflective. Last year our highest bill was 175.00..and that's in a Texas Summer..13 days of 100 degrees weather. Very Hot. Bill was never over 175.00 even using all electric appliances.
After the install of this Smart Meter..bill jumped up to 450.00. What the hell? I called CPS energy provider out to check the meter because something was wrong. They found no fault with the meter..I showed them past bills using the old mechanical meter..They had no explanation. I'm going back to the mechanical meter and pay the extra 20.00 per month..This is just stupid.
They will never be wrong from their viewpoint......never!!!! And how can we all dispute them????? Where is the law protecting the consumer??????
I also have a smart meter. My Bill's are the same as before. Something has changed (besides the meter) that is causing your bill to go up.
The change is most likely the old meter not measuring power consumption correctly. Your HVAC unit may be skewing the power factor significantly. Smart meters can detect this and measure the true power consumed.
Your neighbour is stealing your electricity and you are paying.........
@@Bill_N7FTM no its what it reads , third harmonic for instance a couple of PC's and various other equipment will change your costs from before and you have no control over it , there is also the question arising in the UK as to the effect of LED lamps on the bills as they went up significantly when LED was being used , i think its the same problem most electronics produce third harmonics thats (as far as i am aware) a small voltage down the neutral which is also being measured so the real solution is to get a 1 to 1 transformer to even out the consumption and of course your voltage you may notice your led LAMPS fading in and out (if they are dmmible ) because they are at such a low current it starts to become obvious
I’ve seen one of those smart meters opened up. They are very complex. They have a full board with a processor, memory, modem, SIM card and antenna in the uk. Also a big circuit breaker so theoretically they could remotely cut you off.
we had a fleet of smart meters go offline in the basement of our condo for months after a flood. power stayed on.
You can definitely remotely disconnect and connect a smartmeter. It takes minutes. They send meter reads daily. They're a huge improvement over the old meters.
@@andromedaspark2241 that's not a good thing
They can cut you of on a non smart meter to
like a smart watch, that varies by local regulations and meter manufacturer. My province's legislation doesn't allow for use of most of those things. Here, they use an encrypted radio burst for 1 second every 8 or 12hrs.
The "smart" meters used in residential are about as complex as a 2010 FitBit. Cutting edge power meters (for utility and industrial) are more like a 2017 laptop/tablet
They usually like to harm your health using your money.
Yep. We also pay for the herbi-/pesticides they put on our vegetables to bring us CANCER !
Im a HAM radio operator. After they installed the new smart meter, I was getting horrible interference on several bands. My driven earth ground is five feet from the underground power line to my house. I ended up moving my ground away from the power line to be able to use my equipment. The signal levels were so high it totally swamped out all my meters.
Now THAT is interesting...
I don't have a smart meter but my neighbours both sides of my terraced house have the bloody things installed. Since the uk drive to install these dam things. It's now impossible for me to use the hf bands at all s8 across the hf bands 80 40 snd 20 meters are washed out completely. I cannot change the location of my g5rv I have tried mostly everything to resolve the problem the only way is to not use my radios at all. Bloody digital technology will be the death of the radio amateur hobby. 73
Has something to do with them broadcasting voices in peoples heads. Sounds whackadoodle i know, but its true.
@@sincitybarbie3749 it absolutely is true because I'm experiencing precisely that where I live in Illinois. It's been Wackadoo for me since July of 2019! There is absolutely and positively NO personal privacy WHATSOEVER! Like a psych ward's going to help THIS! Just another excuse to prescribe I guess... you are indeed correct. I wouldn't wish this on ANY human being, EVER!😡
Bill Electrician for 55 yrs
You have missed an important fact, The old meters could not read voltage they were built with the idea that everyone was receiving exactly 120v and therefore the meter read only current, ie current x voltage + wattage. The smart meter reads not only current but VOLTAGE as well and in reality the voltage varies . Now voltage x current is different because voltage varies (as equipment turns on and off there is a deviation in voltage as is when the demand in the area changes) . Now the resultant from voltage ( 110 -117-120) volts will change the wattage.
Strangely enough in Germany we are asked if we want smart meter or just a standard electronic meter. I think they mentioned that installing smart meter conflicts with their strict personal data protection laws.
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I had crazy and constant headaches and was nervous all the time when I slept near one for almost a year and had no other electrics nearby in the room or out of the room in the corridor. The only thing constantly on was that smart meter. As soon as I requested it to be removed because of other issues with it I noticed my headaches were gone and I was a LOT calmer. Never will this be near my body again!
I stumbled onto your site with this video. I don't own a home, I rent an apartment yet found your content very interesting just the same. I'm sure our building is using some form of these smart meters as about a year ago or so they switched meters and now every month I get what I call a "GUILT REPORT" about how much more power I consume compared to my apartment neighbors. I guess they want to shame me into using less electricity or something. Thanks for the content, subed your channel.
My bill went from 150 in the dead of winter then they installed a smart meter an now my bill was 350 dollars now I'm installing solar to run my house a company wanted 10 grand doing it myself for 2000 dollars
Not all of us are as smart as you Mike Smith
$2000 cost for solar with a savings of $350 a month.
6 months and you are making money.
*MAKE SURE THEY GIVE YOU A NETMETER, NOT A REGULAR SMART METER*
If they do a meter swap, watch this video on how the meter swap is done without putting you at a huge risk of fire.
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#1 If they install a smart meter and your power goes out, then they are an ARSONIST.
In Canada, it is against the law, all smart meter swaps have to be BYPASSED to keep the power on.
#2 If the customers UL certified meter base is NOT INSPECTED by a CERTIFIED electrician before the meter swap, they they are probably breaking the law and will increase the chance of
your home burning down by a factor of 10,000 times.
Remember, the only electrical device in your home that is NOT UL APPROVED is their smart meter.
Why do you ask a smart meter is not UL APPROVED
BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT BUILT STRONG ENOUGH TO MEET UL'S SAFETY REQUIREMENTS.
They are only certified to measure power consumed.
where did you buy your system that cheap ? I need to cut the cord with these greedy bastatrds ! HELP ME PLEASE !
Check with Mike Smith, he probably knows way more about solar than I do.
lol a 2k Solar system? Microinverters are $160 a piece and panels maybe $200? Plus racking, conduit, etc. lets round it to $400 a panel. Maybe 500w of production per pannel, per year. For a total of 2500kwh.
You need alot more solar panels dude. If you are in CA Your old $150 electric bill equates to about 750kwh a month. Which equals 9,000kwh, not 2500kwh.
Those panels will cut your bill by maybe 25% not eliminate it. Unless you built your own solar panels too. But hey I applaud your effort, solar is the way to go, most people need help doing it.
Tell us how to do this please! I need to get off the grid. The smart ass meter is making us sick.
I will start with this. I have never been sick a day in my life. And all who know me, know this to be true. Fast forward, I have been ill for months now, body aches, headaches, stomach issues and others. I dint even know I had a smart meter installed until about three weeks ago.
A family member said, you really should go see a dr. Something is obviously wrong, asked me if I had a smart meter installed, because they knew that they are making people sick. I replied NO, because at that time I was unaware that one had been installed while I was away. Just noticed a few weeks ago, I am now the proud owner of a smart meter. Was out doing some yard work and happened to look up and saw it.
Now at last I know the cause of my illness.
Fun,fun,fun...
Tony Musolino Go to the CosmicReality website and either order the S4 stickers,or the sticker/ magnet specifically for smart meters- They DO work and are scientifically and energetically tested by the people who’ve developed them. These will save yourself and family.
Isla Miln. / Could you give more info on the web site. When I search there are many many sites with that name. I’m not sure which one is the right one. Thank you so much.
a smart meter is not going to make you sick....
Smart Meter Health Complaints - EMF Safety Network
"People from coast to coast in the USA, and from one side of the world to the other, are becoming ill after exposure to the radiofrequency radiation emitted by Wireless Smart Meters."
I've been chronically sick my whole life until the past 5 years. I moved away from my townhouse w/a smart meter into a trailer home w/o a smart meter. The nightmares I was having completely stopped. My twin sister just moved 2 blocks away a few months ago. I've been warning people to stay away from smart meters. The electrical company came thru and added a smart meter to her home only 3 or 4 days ago. My fiance and I were planning to get married in her home next Friday but not anymore (we are both disabled so travel is difficult). 😢🤬
Kva is an indication of how much harder the generator actually has to work for the customer’s load. The more you get away from resistive loads and towards inductive or capacitive loads like motors, the more work the generator has to do ( they call this VARs). But if all your loads are Resistive, then Kva drops towards zero and only Kw count for usage. So all these years we didn’t have to pay for Kva loads (like big motors) we ran but now we have to pay the piper for all the types of loads we have as these meters can easily measure these powers accurately. This is a very simplified explanation of power.
Yes the more resistive the human the more power will be taken away. The analogy is quite clear in terms of what's to come.
Units to commemorate important scientists are given capital letters , coefficients not so.
Volt-amps and Watts are not synonymous. I like the presentation, but if you introduce motors US utility can charge power factor or require capacitors to be installed.
@@antar193 Yes I agree, and I think that is why the power companies hate the Switching Power Supplies that show in our consumer electronics now because of the PF these devices introduce. There are so many out there now running that it throws a wrench into the works for their generators so yes they are going to charge us for our PF …… just like they now charge us for that damned carbon gas tax ! Pretty soon we will have to pay for air we breath ……
Don't think for a second the power company hasn't already added this to the price they charge, coming and outright charging for it is double dipping. What do you expect from scumbag government agencies?
Once again scotty....usefulness is in abundance. You deserve funding and 🥇 medals 🏅
As an electrician, another bummer is that I can’t just pull your meter and upgrade or change out your service. The smart meter reports back to mother brain that there is a service interruption. It helps keep us safe from the untrained but also means I have to pull a permit and schedule an inspection and charge you more for the cost and hassle.
This is rediculous when a person opts out and they still put the dang thing up, we need to join together world wide/ world wide law class action suit…. !!!!!
@@meganjarvis7970 Yeah go to the one world court of appeals....do you even hear yourself?
Exactly
If you change the meter it’s classed as tampering and against the law, I know this from first hand experience
@@meganjarvis7970 you don’t own the power delivery infrastructure, if the utility wants to change their equipment they’re going to do it. If you don’t like it, don’t use grid power and get solar with a battery bank and inverter or build your own power plant.
They just installed one on my house today. I ask the guy if I could keep my old one, and he said it would cost me $40 more month. I have a feeling my bill is going to go up.
Neznisgip I would have loved paying the extra and keeping my original meter just for peace of mind. I fought. With the electric company for months but they won when they said we had to either take the smart meter or we cut you off and charge for retrieving the old meter.
They told me $96.00 to put a new type of meter as they wont support the wifi one I have now,and $15 a mo.for them to come read it monthly..I'm in Fl.
The smart meter's KVA rating has nothing to do with losses between the generator and the smart meter. Basically power is just power (watts), but the equation everyone knows, P = IV is really only applicable to DC power, or AC power where the current and voltage are 100% in phase. That is, for AC power, voltage typically looks like a sine wave. It turns out that for AC power, current draw *also* tends to look like a sine wave (though not always). However, the two sine waves are not usually completely in phase. For an AC circuit, the idealized real power is more like P = IV * cos(theta), where theta is the phase difference between the voltage waveform and the current waveform. Idealized assuming the current waveform is also a sinewave, which it might not be.
The KVA rating, on the other-hand, is a measure of apparent power, not real power. It is simply the RMS voltage multiplied by the RMS current. This is NOT a measure of actual power, but a measure of apparent power. It ignores the relationship between the voltage sine wave and the current sine wave. In fact, it is a measure of worst-case stress on a power circuit, which is why a lot of equipment has a KVA rating.
So the best way to think about this is simply that KVA is 'apparent power' which is used as a measure of stress, a measure of the absolute worst case a piece of equipment can deal with, whereas KW is 'real power', as in conservation-of-energy real power. The real power will be lower than the apparent power.
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One final little bit of trivia. AC Electrical loads do not uniformly pull current from every point on the voltage sine wave of the input. For example, a simple-stupid rectifier circuit just pulls power out of the peaks of the sine wave (a half rectifier pulls power only from the positive peak, while a full rectifier pulls power from both the positive and negative peak). In this situation, the current pulled from the AC power input is basically zero at all other points except the top and bottom of the sine wave.
Old style mechanical meters had a terrible time converting such stupidly bad rectifiers to actual power consumption. It would always underestimate the actual power, so consumers using old badly rectified equipment always got somewhat of a free ride. Fortunately, those types of circuits were not usually used in heavy duty equipment, so power companies didn't care so much. Newer meters, and smart meters, are able to measure *actual* power ... actual watts, and consumers no longer get a free ride on such devices. Not a big deal because most modern devices don't have stupid rectifiers in them anyway. Most electronics these days are based on switching power supplies, for example, which can draw power from the entire AC cycle (or at least most of it).
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In the old days, a shop whos electricity use was mostly from 2-phase and 3-phase motors had to actually get a special schedule from the power company. The power company would calculate the actual power factor such that it could compensate the under-readings the old meters gave to figure out the actual power consumed. This, for example, is what the power factor specification for a three-phase motor would be used for.
Power factor... it isn't really a specification of 'real work' (what is 'fake work' supposed to be? Heat losses from the circuit? Remember, conservation of energy again....). It's basically a specification to get around the fact that power monitoring equipment used to give the wrong readings for AC consumption when the current and voltage waveforms were out of phase.
But again, also, its a good way to specify the maximum stress a circuit can handle. Stress on an electrical circuit tends to be related more to the peak current in each cycle and not just the average. While KVA is not a perfect measure of peak current, its calculation of RMS current is a much better measure (will produce a higher, more appropriate value) than trying to calculate a current from the real power consumption (which is basically impossible for an AC circuit where the current is out of phase... well, that's what PF (Power Factor) is, so not impossible... just that there is no single value for it. You'd have to calculate the actual difference to come up with the PF, and then you could estimate based on real power using PF to convert).
-Matt
Thanks Matt, very clear.
So once again poor folk have been getting a free ride and rich folk have been doing all the work... you are a spoilt child
Yes you are correct, I was complaining about the producers.
Rick Sabian Background information is important. Otherwise it's too easy to claim conspiracy when you just failed to grasp the concept.
Leicie
In New Zealand they have been rolling out smart meters for sometime but it is a consumers right over here to not have them installed if you don't want them, gotta love having choice.
Same in UK or you can have them fitted in dumb mode or so they say.
BUT they charged us before they installed them (without telling us) and you have to install the replacement you want as they won' t do it.
In San Antonio, Tx, we were given the choice to opt out on smart meter installation, but we would have to pay an extra $20 monthly for a meter reader to come out and read the analog meter. Then the choice was taken away and you must have a smart meter or no electricity at all. You will comply or we will burn you with cigarettes!
I put a pair of spectacles on my meter, so the Energy company thinks it's already smart.🤓
Nice one
LOL.
Or hang an old smartphone and a charger over the top of it.
But make sure that both do not work because they won't be anymore after they've been out in the rain.
LOL.
@Boony Tooty no as the meter is at the demarcation... you only pay for what you use on your end. usually they give you a 5$ service or delivery fee... which is standard... or do you bus in your power by battery...
Here in the UK some of these smart meter installations have been linked to fires. Mainly because they've been installed by poorly trained personnel.
The fires was not related to the smart meter it was due to been installed wrong (of they replaced it with a normal meter it would have had same issue due to the wiring from that installer)
I live in the Netherlands, 6 months ago we almost had a fire. When they changed the meter they guy din't not tighten the wires correctly.
@@IesKorpershoek wires? most are just slotted... you cant mess it up as the door will literally not close.... did they replace the entire box, as that is unusual.
Theirs a great video here in USA showing the smart meter doesn't have a safety cutoff and is the cutoff but cannot handle it correctly. Also we have hundreds of videos showing fires from the outside smart meters.
@@charleysturbos7320 seems more likely it's miswired. If it can't handle it you have something odd going on. As it can handle it in normal operations. Ground fault.
One of the reasons they changed to smart meters is to prevent getting caught scamming you. Your bill is either based on your meter, if you are habitually delinquent, or your credit score, in which case, they just make the shit up. But they tend to get caught at that when people notice that nobody is actually coming to their house to read the meter at all. There was a guy who finally complained to the tv news, here, that he owns 4 houses, 3 of which are unoccupied, so he turned the main off, yet still, he was getting hit with $300 per month, on each of them. Those meters weren't even moving, but they didn't know that because nobody was actually reading them. But you will have to sue them, and that will cost even more, so if you want to keep that credit score, you'll just have to pay whatever they want. READ YOUR OWN METER AND COMPARE IT TO YOUR BILL before you argue with me, you'll see.
The water company does it, too. There were a couple of hundred complaints to the tv news one month about them, they were sending people $1000 bills. Then, on the phone, they were rude, and blamed the customers for having water leaks, and telling them to "get a plumber". When they did hire plumbers, the plumbers would tell them shit like "this is IMPOSSIBLE, you have a half inch water meter, and it CANNOT POSSIBLY flow that much water through it, even it it were uncapped and flowing at full capacity". When it made the tv, they said it was a mistake. But they were on the news a couple months later, admitting that they needed money in a bad way, and HAD to raise the bills, including a surcharge applied even if you don't use any water. Turns out that the lake is so low that all of the intake tunnels are high and dry, and they had to put in a new, hugely expensive tunnel all the way out under the deepest part of the lake to get the last of it. Coincidence? Not likely.
This is what happens with all monopolies.........control!!
Ya ya I once knew a guy who was on vacation for a month and turned everything off and when he came home he owed the power company and the water corporation 30 thousand dollhairs they took his home and now he lives in a mansion on a hill psychedelic music fills the air its true I sar it on the news I am never going on vacation I don't want to live in a mansion hill or no hill I just leave everything on and running electricity and water they are going to charge me anyway DUH
In my state, the bill always reflected estimated entries. Usually it was read but a few times a year it would be estimated then it was corrected on on the next read.
Yep that comment seemed silly, Bill is based of estimates how they supposed to know you switch your electric off will just continue billing you based off your estimated monthly cycle until they turn up and see that you meet is not moved and they'll usually credit you back if it's more than in the UK £100 in credit but unsure what it's like in the USA
This is an old post I notice but still non the less I am in the uk....my neighbour for 21 yrs was a tight ass never renewed or updated his deco or looked after his garden... I guess as was lucky as technology has never been anything Thts really interested me....I have wifi Thts about it...I don’t even have my microwave plugged in....my neighbour recently sold his house and a young individual moved in and had the two old metres removed and replaced with a smart metre....it’s been three weeks and from day one I have felt it...insomnia, waking up to buzzing , coughing in the middle of the night from nowhere randomly (only night time)...ringing in my ears,crackly bubbly ears, head ache... I’ve never had a headache in my life... feeling like am under water and hearing my own heart beating...I keep getting hot flashes through my body....I obv looked into all these symptoms and smart metres are bad for ppl with any metal in their body and I have a titanium hip!...I asked the neighbour politely if she would consider removing it, she said No as she had just had it fitted she knew my views on them before she even had it installed.... I asked the guy who fitted it about them and he said I needed to ask her to get a cover for it.... even the guy who fits them won’t have one in his own house!!...I spoke to my neighbour again who told me the metre takes two weeks to be switched on (which I did not believe as I was having all these symptoms) so I contacted her supplier who confirmed the metre is on immediately but it takes up to two weeks for them to gain a connection.... I live in a property that is 34ft long and 16ft wide I am between two other houses and her metre is back to back with my porch... when I sit down to watch tv am literally two metres away from it... when I sleep at night I am 3mtrs above it... I do not know what to do as my health is in somebody else’s hands... but I am looking into it... it’s not right.... When I wrote to her supplier I pretended I was interested in a smart metre and asked about a faraday cage and she advised me not to get one as it would interfere with the connection!!.... one main question that after several emails back and forth they keep failing to answer is the coverage of RF the metres give off... has anybody else had the same issues??......
They wanted to put one in here, I told them no way I don't want one. Lucky because my 50 year old meter has worn a bearing out and spins slow. Every 1400 kWh thru the meter equals 1kwh on the meter. I'm happy with that.
Wait until they take that meter out and replace it, they'll back date a shit load to you lol.
+Bro Tang You're a complete and utter moron. You will have to comply with a replacement, since this one will NEVER be certified in any way. And then they will calculate your usage back for the last 15 years and you are completely fucked.
until they find out and bill you estimated usage.
There is a statute of limitations and check limit of small claims court
I worked as a meter technician for many years. A guy told me that a meter he once had spun FASTER as it got older . He got a friend to check it out and submitted his findings to the local electricity board and they quickly replaced his meter. He subsequently received a refund of £50. That was in the 1950s !!
I went off grid 21 years ago. DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' METER.
@J P maybe cellular data
Good for you, Fu. I only have 1kW of solar on the roof now, but I hope to add 4kW more this next year, backing it up with 15kWh of lithium batteries. How big is your setup? Solar, wind, water, or a comination? House or cabin?
@Jono "Off the grid" means that you aren't connected to the electrical grid.
@Jono can't you be off grid as far as wifi goes, but use an ethernet cord ?there is no wifi with ethernet......
@Jono Some day, Jono, you will discover solar electricity and satellite internet! ;)
*Supply (SMPS) Dirty Electricity ~ When current flows through the wiring of a building it generates a surrounding electro-magnetic field that radiates outward all around the wires at right angles to the direction of the current’s flow and reaches out into the room. It is well known that switching power supplies can generate spikes of so-called electromagnetic interference (EMI), or high frequency transients, which then travel along the wiring in the walls, radiating outward in the wiring’s electromagnetic field. Such spikes are known as ‘dirty electricity’ and can be conducted to a human body that is within the range of the radiating field. This function is on all smart meters used by all utilities and is on constantly, 24/7.*
*Concerning “smart” meters: Dr. Martin Blank, Associate Professor, Department of Physiology and Cellular Biophysics, Columbia University: “Cells in the body react to E.M.F.’s as potentially harmful, just like any other environmental toxins, including heavy metals and toxic chemicals. The D.N.A. in living cells recognizes electromagnetic fields at very low levels of exposure [not covered by current outdated laws]; and produces a biochemical stress response. The scientific evidence tells us that our safety standards are inadequate, and that we must protect ourselves from exposure to E.M.F. due to power lines, cells phones and the like, or risk the known consequences. The science is very strong and we should sit up and pay attention.”*
Bet Dr. Blank has a cell phone, probably more than one, uses lots of different electronic devices in his house, watches a TV, and uses WiFi connections for his computer. How about the emissions from all the stars in the universe and the decay of naturally occurring radioactive elements. Love the sky is falling used by those wanting fame and fortune. Wonder why he is ONLY an associate professor? Where is his boss and what he thinks of Dr. Blank's statements? BS to the max. Living is dangerous to your health. You ARE GOING TO DIE. Just a question of when and how. Get used to it.
@@tiredofbs6835 LOL . . . . Sure spewed tons of assumptions there friend.
Yes, and what has that got to do with smart meters? SMPSs are used extensively in pretty much all consumer electronics.
Move along troll...@@tiredofbs6835
SMPS has a line filter to prevent noise from entering your wiring, but of course some cheaply made things maybe still do.
In our area we have smart meters for both electric and water. Never had a problem with electric shut down. They do have a peak charge from 4 -7 PM (charge more per killowatt hour) . About 5 years ago,at about midnight, we heard an explosion and the lights went out. Called the utility company and they came out to replace meter. Moisture got inside. I asked them and they told me that they were replacing with the same type and, yes it could happen again. I'm moving off grid
Thank you, Scottie. Don't beam us up yet, your research and views are helpful. I'm happy with this information about how smart meters function and how the costs are higher, in the end. The Dutch Eneco energy-provider's website has created a Forum for smart-meter users, with questions and issues.
Indeed, there's a lot of complaints by smart-meter users, about bills rising without a cause and after inquiring about it these smart-meter users are told that they've probably ignored devices using power or other similar explanations. A lame argument, when it's true that smart meter-readings show a detailed use of electricity in each room or floor of the house.
Anyway, my publication of your videos and other critical voices pointing at the deceptive program around smart-meters, including the wrong info about the frequency of readings, when the data is transferred from smart-meter to energy-provider, plus the health-hazards of the including EMF radiation (elektro-smog) has triggered many negative and sarcastic remarks.
The advisers, which seem to be, just like the smart-meter users, ordinary people, are possibly paid by Eneco to promote smart-meter use and trample critical remarks, calling me a conspiracy theorist, addressing me as if I'm a man. Here's the usual view, of men, that subjects like this are discussed by men whose wives are knitting legwarmers and mittens for when the power fails, using arguments like "I'm sure the risk of smart-meters is studied and measured thoroughly, I'm pretty sure we're safe" or "The risk of being run over by a car is much higher than dying from elektro-smog" or "Stop nagging, jeez, have a life!" which is exactly what I'm planning to have.... without a smart meter or smart phone. Knitting legwarmers :)
I'm an electrician ,have been saying for long time don't get smart meter ,they banned them in australia houses caught fire even resulted in deaths ,noise of radio wave high frequency messed around with thousands of peoples heads causing headaches ,that many people all had same issue cant be wrong ,suppose switch save power at certain times of night why were bills dearer,we all knew real reason was if had problem with bill and company did not listen or had trouble contacting real operator they could switch power off remotely straight away ,leaving you in dark .😮
30 years ago we used to only have storage heaters in the house. We were on 'Economy 7' tariff. So we used to have cheaper electricity (i think) between the hours of midnight and 7am. There must have been some way for the company to know even back then when we were using electricty.
The idea was that you switched the heaters on at night to get them hot and then they'd switch off in the morning but carry on radiating heat during the day.
Now we get a letter or a phone call about once every couple of months telling us what an opportunity is is to be able to have our very own smart meter fitted. And every time we tell them BOLLOCKS!
Smart meter allow airplanes in the air to locate a specific house below. This allows airplanes equipped with directed energy weapon to zap any house they want with 100% accuracy, like in California and in Greece recently..
Bahahahaha! Good one. 😂😂😂😂
It’s true. I’m military and it’s very true
@@practicalwoo clearly your military has an education problem.
@@fulknerra6116 Clearly your education has a military problem.
Sadly... this is only the beginning. People better wake up quick. Stop awaiting some deity to fall out of the sky to help you. Find some courage in yourself to stand up. Praying, paying and obeying is only going to hurt us all in the long run. Find your voice.
A couple of things that might be worth pointing out. Firstly France used to supply at 220V, and when your max power was first allocated, it would have resulted in a certain current rating for the supply circuit breaker (I=P/V). The supply voltage then increased to 230V a few years back, so the current required to provide the 'same' power went down. It's only with the introduction of SmartMeters and incorporating a CB into it that it became economic to reduce the supply current rating to maintain the same power; so that's why it has only happened recently! You haven't been 'done', but until now have actually been 'allowed' more power than you were originally contracted for. Secondly, Power (P) or Apparent Power (VA) etc. is immaterial - The breaker trips with over current, so keeping the current below the rated value is the real 'trick'. I understand why you side step round Power Factor (PF), as for most viewers it would be far too techie, but by correcting the PF at the appliance, the supply current is reduced, freeing up the spare current for other appliances. I have done this on my fridge and ceiling fans, by connecting appropriately sized capacitors. The water heater and kettles etc run at unity PF anyway, so don't need them. Smart meters have their drawbacks, but they are not the bogeyman they seem - It's the implementation and tariff structure by the suppliers that are really at fault here!
Incidentally, although the circuit breakers in the SmartMeter are electronic in operation (rather than the old electro mechanical) they generally have the same Type C profile. This means that they will still allow a higher surge current than the actual rated current without tripping, provided this is for a limited time. By monitoring your demand on an energy monitor (such as an Efergy or Owl) you can soon find out what you can 'get away' with, and for how long! I run my house on just a 3.45kVA (15A) supply, and have reduced the standing charge without affecting the quality of life. It can be done, but being an electrical engineer helps I suppose.....
Not "smart" for them ultimately. They are being sued into oblivion world wide (which only victims in the know, activists, and certain courts know about) and God certainly won't have anything planned out for these energy companies that's favorable to them b/c of blood guilt on their hands. Children and elderly are at the greatest risk, but these things are soooo strong that they're very dangerous for everyone. Smart meters almost killed me after 9 meters were moved into the electrical closet across the hall from my apartment. After 3 weeks I could no longer speak, walk, lift my head, my fingernails were separating from my fingers, my skin was burnt on scalp and face, when I swallowed food it felt like my throat and stomach were burnt, my brain was so fried from the radiation that it was making electronic noises (did you know that a brain can do that? it sounded like R2D2), I couldn't construct basic sentences in thought either, and my medical tests proved radiation damage to every organ. Every single organ. I was consequently homeless for 9 months trying to avoid meters. What you have to do is turn off your fuse box in order to stop the biological effects on your body caused by the smart meter on your electrical wiring. It's a literal life saver. What I went through I have 2 clients going through also, and my doctor said he's getting 2 new patients per week now developing the same issues. What Smart (Demon) Meters will do is make you permanently or semi permanently, impossibly sensitive to all electricity and your cell phone. I now have to have all clients put phones on airplane mode when they come in or I will collapse from pain of burning skin since I was so badly injured by smart meters. I work with the public so I have a small scale statistical view of about how many people this must be effecting world wide. It will get much worse if everyone doesn't demand landlines, get off their cell phones with exception of absolute and total necessity, put smart meter covers on their smart meters, shut off fuse boxes as much as possible, hard wire their laptops and desktops with ethernet (which is super easy and way better internet). The real reason smart meters are being installed is much more nefarious than anyone could ever realize, I assume, b/c of the class action lawsuits worldwide over it for the last 12 years that STILL aren't seeming to get people very far. (But remember that there was a $28 million study done in 1992 for 6 years by the country's leading radiation specialists and it proved extreme danger in long term use of any wifi, let alone the hundred times stronger smart meters. That information was swept under the rug. Although it was already known by the military in the 40s b/c it's the EXACT same technology.) Anyway, maybe smart meters are 1000 x stronger b/c people are reporting near death experiences world wide. Some of the radiation experts we've talked to are saying that doctors worldwide are calling them to get educated on how Smart meters work b/c the hospitals are being flooded with people who are radiation damaged since Smart Meters were installed. People in apartments will have it much worse b/c while they can shut off THEIR fuse boxes, you can't convince your neighbors to. While people in apartments in some states can opt out of smart meters, you can't convince your neighbors to. It was my neighbors' nine meters that almost killed me bc I opted out, but they didn't. HOWEVER, the opt out option is now becoming known to be a scam b/c they will just put a different meter on that has the same technology, which may be what they did with my opt out meter. OR they will say, "yeah no problem. We've got a guy available in 2 weeks to come out and take that off for you." ......... and they will never come. No matter how many times you call, they will never come out. So, you must do the things I've suggested above to save yourselves. OR move off grid to a wifi free and EMF free community, but MIGHT be far easier to arrange your home and business or office to be safe. Wifi free communities are starting to pop up all over the world though. Very embryonic stages but they are popping up everywhere which is very telling. There are now law firms devoted only to cell tower removal b/c cell phone technology is so lethal. Smart meters are FAR more dangerous bc they're strapped to your homes and one military weapons specialist said they are equal in strength to a military grade radiation weapon/they're more imminently lethal for some. Like I said, enough people are reporting near death after only 3 months or 6 months that imagine the untold suffering of people that don't know why they're dying. Somehow they heal in their cars, yet they go home and within an hour they are being rushed to hospitals. They heal in the hospital but then go home and almost die again, or they do die. Anyway, Class Action lawsuits worldwide, yet they haven't been shut down yet after 12 yrs of a massive fight. Silent, but massive. Media isn't covering it, yet it's far more dangerous than C*vid ever could be. Symptoms can be very similar b/c it attacks the lungs as well. Causes really violent vomiting, super human like fever b/c of radiation burning the body, etc. Better make sure your C*vid tests are truly accurate b/c that may not be what you have. When you call the energy companies to tell them what happened to your health, they will always hang up on you before you can say too much more. Then they have a supervisor call you back saying, "If you have any questions I can answer, please call ...." As if I didn't have only statements to make to her informing HER. I don't need her to answer questions with fake, scripted answers written by the questionable scientists hired by the energy companies.
Thanks Scottie. My supplier in the UK installed a smart meter after our old one stopped working. I didn't want a smart meter as I have solar panels (and it was always a joy to see that old spinning wheel run backwards) but I had no choice but to accept the new meter. I have been wondering why my electricity bills have been so high and I can see why if I am now paying for that "extra" power that they need to send in order to cover our usage.
In USA I learned it is your property & your choice regarding what is on your property. I learned you can buy the meter you want to use & the electrician gets a permit (it does not have to specify exactly what they are removing & installing) & then the electrician can remove your smartmeter & install the meter you bought instead!
Kinda like the gas pipelines in Atlanta, Georgia. However much they claim it costs them to send the gas through the lines (they claim they don't own them so they rent them to you) is how much higher your gas bill.
I think you will find that the power factor is the same, provided the equipment is the same. The losses incurred in supplying the power is the same, all that has changed is the method of measuring it ie from analogue to digital. This is a misleading post. Since I have had a smart meter for several years, they have in time improved them to an extent that I can now monitor usage on a continuous basis if I wish. The IHD has enabled me to save on average 8 pounds a month, simply by monitoring the usage of individual appliances and equipment, and modifying how they are used. For me the smart meter is an asset, with a complete lack of estimated bills.
@@aprilpeace3371 Nope. Here, if you do not comply, they will eventually just turn off your power. Sort of like what Trudo is doing now with banks and truckers. You do have rights, but they do not honor them. If you can afford the court expenses, then you may stand up for your rights.
He is not describing UK Smart Meters.
Having designed UK Smart Meters I can tell you they do not have breakers and they measure and bill in kWh.
I thought I was being wise by opting for a smart meter in London UK last year. The utility co told me it was free. A couple of months later, they put my monthly subs up from £97 to £118, citing increased energy buy-in costs. Yeah right... Worse, the wall unit that is supposed to tell me everything I need to know, gives estimated readings because of time lags. It also eats batteries. Jeez, did they see us coming! In the UK the belief now is that most of this crap has been politically motivated. To me, that means the big (international) companies have got to the politicos.
Yup.
all pre-planned. With smart meters offering remote switch off, they can disconnect people selectively.
Not to mention you now have a wifi transmitter/receiver you can't switch off. My power supplier sent me a vastly inflated gas bill &
demanded a photo of my (old, 'dumb') meter (with serial number visible) to prove my reading. Very fishy. Softening me up for a smart meter obvs. (UK btw.)
We pay these people to rule us
definitely I cant think of one thing I can do without there permission
Our ATTENTION is valuable. we should be much morec discerning where we put it.
And we also pay them to manipulate, get us addicted, sicken and slowly kill us (:
Well you have another option possibly. Quit bitching and get yourself a generator and run that for a year and compare pocket book before and after. It’s never the customers problem it’s always the power companies. Flipping power companies are overseen by regulation committees at least here in the states that being said contrary to popular belief they can’t do whatever they want.
@xc5647321 xc5647321 Taking women as we pleased. LOL
When the California power company started installation of smart meters, I put a new analog meter in series after the power company's meter. Photographed the two daily and establish a relationship between them. I was ready for their shenanigans. Then we were allowed to opt out, which we did. Still have an analog meter today.
Do you have to pay an opt out fee?
We have a 25$ fee to opt out. Ridiculous
extremely expensive for electricity after they installed the smart meter, so dumb meter was better in all ways
@Dave Micolichek Trust me when I say Smart meters do tend to be more expensive. They offer these cheap 'night rates' but make up for it with expensive rates during the times when you're actually using the power. Also, since they know when you consume the most electric, they can also sneakily change the rate at any time, charging you the higher rate at any point without you being any the wiser. So, yes, the meter is largely to blame.
and yet nobody talks about the additional features or the sudden disappearance of many short term outages... its like with new smart grids they can better balance power across the electrical network... and cut off fallen lines and other issues.... you also dont need a disconnect in some instances as the smart meter is now both... so when you run solar its not a major hassle...
@@Tom_Neverwinter i have tiny outages after the smart meter was installed, pretty annoying. Never had them in the past. Its a lot more frequent that the news talk about outages in large areas for several hours now than ever before... Depressing, its like walking backwards
Did you know pyramids harness possitive and negetive magnetic fields..
Not lightning, magnetic ground and Earth fields..
I don’t understand it. We have washed out our education system to where people who are functionally illiterate can graduate high school. They cannot find jobs, go on relief rolls, or sell drugs, do something illegal to get by. It doesn’t take even a high school graduate to read a meter. What’s wrong with employing these people? The cost of paying high-paid computer programmers and high-paid electrical engineers to make the smart meters could be diverted to low-paid meter readers.
Charles Long your right smart meters do not pay taxes, or pay into Social Security, buy cars, food, ect.
But smart meters do not get bit by dogs, threatened by angry customers for no pay disconnects, fall on ice walking routes... The list goes on and on this is why automated meters are here. There are new job opportunities involved with the technology.
@Erik Sayer
And treason, accompanied by cancer. Some tech maybe good, but this is a PROVEN killer.
I'm reading over and over about health, charges and fires when smart meters are installed, there's too many people complaining, no way they're all lying!!....
HOWEVER I have a story to share about welded contacts and fires.
We lost power for 2 days, so I killed my 150 or 200A main breaker, (which most homeowners never touch it) and took my meter off, and ran my generator. Power came back, disconnected my generator, turned on the Main breaker, and smoke immediately started coming out!! It caught fire as I stood at staring at it!
I killed the power again, pulled my meter again and found the main breaker hotter than hell. Guess what was wrong?? Homeowners don't pull their meters, ever. They also never shut off the Main breaker of 150 or 200 Amps. Turns out that outside where the main lines come in the house, there is no drip loop, They sealed the wire with their stupid ass puddy, it leaked and corroded the main breaker for years.
Because you never pull your meter and your main, the contacts stay tightly together. As soon as you turn it to off, it will not make that same good connection again due to corrosion.
Fire was caused by a tiny leak, corroded contacts, and disturbing those contacts when I pulled my meter and shut off my main...
What if we I turned it back on it still worked, the contacts still supplied me with power and I walked away. As soon as I turned on an electric dryer and an oven pulling 50Amps, those contacts would have failed and could start a fire...
When this 1st happened, I was stumped, and very concerned. But once I found the problem, I realistic that this can happen to anyone who disturbs the connections as I did. I guarantee you, with no hesitation, that a similar thing similar to this has burned homes down.
SORRY FOR THE BOOK!!
Somebody's fired. Drip loops are a no-brainer. Ain't no putty, caulk, mastic or anything else that will work as well as gravity. SIGH...
Have you watched Stop the Crime.Net - Deborah Tavares? Somewhat of an eye-opener.
ATC Madness Hey I learned a lot from that story. Thank you for taking the time to write it.
money, follow money, they take our money!!!
We pay them to enslave and murder us.
I found your video interesting, especially from the standpoint of how France requires a “subscription” level according to the service main size.
Here in California, it doesn’t matter if you have a 100 amp or an 400 amp main, all residential customers (at least from our provider) pay the same rate for energy. Assuming they are on the same tariff. Tiered or time-of-use...you can choose either.
I am getting an analogue meter & they will come reading it to bill me. Im not sure if that takes me off tier stuff or what.
In Finland it is same in most places. In Helsinki it is 5.51 € up to 3x63 A. But in some places it can be for example 37.50 € for 3x25 A, 71 € for 3x35 A and 135 € for 3x63 A. It is not uncommon to have 3x25 A even with electric heating. They then make so that when you turn the sauna on the heating goes off. You of course pay also for energy you use. Also joining the network is more expensive te larger the main fuse.
I see that no comments have been made for a long time. What you may not understand, and it is something that I had to accept, is that I did not create the grid nor do I have any control if it. Smart meters are there for the benefit of the power company and not for those buying power. The language that they speak is not about a greener world. It is the power company always getting more the green stuff out of your bank account. That is what Smart meters are all about. Don't be distracted by side issues. They were installed because the mechanical meters would turn backwards and take money out of their bank account at full retail price and that had to stop.. For the last 100 years transformers on power poles have been rated in KVA. That has been going on for that long. I don't use enough electricity so they charge me a fee for using too little power.
I'm glad I've been off the grid for 25 years. It's a pain sometimes and isn't free, but watching videos like this, I realize that I'm freeeeeeee!
interesting...off grid...I would definitely be interested in how you manage to stay worm during the winter ?
Worm😆
Probably wood stove or fireplace. And that depends on where they live. They may not live where there’s harsh winters.
French judge rules smart meters unsafe and ordered them to be removed. 2019
John Doe, please can you link an article or website with more detail.
@@markdaicz3048 it was an article from a paper, three months ago roughly, it was read on mark ceylon's channel, one of the three, Mark seylon or srilankerc.
John Doe Noted. Thanks very much
@@markdaicz3048 you are welcome😉
@Dave Micolichek look m8, if you ask nicely, I'll give you 666 of my tinfoil hats to cover your smart meter with.
Well, that was 13 minutes that could have been reduced to one.
yeah, waste of time and nothing really to gain.
There have been a number of cases of house fires caused by new smart meters not handling loads. In Pacific Power's case, they refuse any liability.
My security cams have night vision. Therecis a pulse coming from my smart meter. That I can see on my cameras.
In the uk they are selling the idea by giving you a separate pointless display gadget to “help you save power “by looking at what you use . I would hope to imagine most people know that switching on more lights and other items uses more units. Another way of control over the public by providing a grown up toy pice of crap to entice the idea. I will not be having one until the law demands it. Small power factor correction unit could possibly help if you are stuck with one?
christastic100 - I'm also in the UK and absolutely agree about your first point. We had one of these damned meters foisted on us about three years ago and have got sicker and sicker ever since.
In your penultimate sentence you say that you won't be having one until the law demands it. Why do we put up with being dictated to. We should be more like the french, don our yellow vests and just say NO! We do not consent.
Totally agree with this. I've had a smart meter installed twice, on the second one the 'smart monitor' didn't even work and I ended up paying a huge final bill.
Now I'm with a company that doesn't use these dodgy devices, for now at least
Some of the morons in this country out in Cali, signed up with Google where it controls everything in their homes. Google went down for a day so the brainwashed twits were locked out of their houses. I keep my phone powered off unless I need to contact someone. Using it as a flashlight to fix the furnace I'd laid it down on the ping pong table and 2 minutes later it started blaring a damn rap song! I never listen to rap and never listen to any music on that thing.
@@JimmyCrackCorn72 Hi Jimmy Are you in the UK? If so can you let me know which energy company you use that dont use smart meters. Thanks Clare
Their losses in THEIR LINES is not my problem. My agreement starts at my meter, not the power meter at the power plant, 20 km away. They should buy copper lines, not aluminum too transmit power. Copper transmits with less heat, that is less a loss. Fight out man.
copper also oxidizes into a brittle substance
Aluminum is actually a pretty decent conductor, and is 1/2 the weight and 1/3 the cost. They also use a 50% larger diameter cable than would be used with copper, so the loss is exactly the same.
Electricity would be RIDICULOUSLY expensive if copper were used.
Pretty simple. The meter is always online, transmitting data, monitoring etc, and is using YOUR energy to maintain itself. I'd demand proof its not eating your own power and its measuring correctly. If not then theres ways to either demand paying the historic amount or not at all and take it to the ombudsman
You are not paying for their losses, you are paying more(if they charge for KVA which they don't do, yet..) for using shitty electronic appliances.
@@sneakyguy4444 It does not use your energy at all, they take their supply before they monitor your consumption, and they do not transmit all the time, but in short bursts once a day when they upload, and when they handshake with the local cell site.
Thanks for posting this info. I have been expecting power companies to start charging for VA (Volt-Amperes) for some time now. In your example; 0.9 power factor, the generating capacity has to 11% above the RMS (Root Mean Square) value to supply this imperfect load. However, due to the long transmission line distance between the power generation point and your home, the power company has to actually supply many times that 11% due to the power lines radiating harmonics (which gets absorbed by anything nearby the power lines). I suspect power companies are getting squeezed by intense pressure to keep costs as low as possible yet, the demand for power keeps rising, which means they have to continuously update thousands of miles/kilometers of power lines to keep which is very expensive. I suspect the Smart Meters are one such attempt to more accurately measure actual of power. I also realize the power company could easily use this to their advantage.
Speaking for myself, I have been concerned about power factor at home for about the past 5 years. I have been choosing appliances and light bulbs that have a power factor of 0.9 or higher. Not only is this good for the Grid, it also helps if we are without power due to a storm. That limited amount of power the generator produces goes farther.
I was intrigued by your comment about radiating harmonics losses. Resistive losses and hysteresis losses add up but I'm not familiar with harmonic losses. It appears you are talking about parasitic inductive loads to use a different term? Back to the reasoning behind higher losses during poor power factor load, air conditioning load is the worst culprit. AC units are an inductive (motors) load. This load usually happens during particularly high consumption periods. As heat losses from generator to consumer are current squared, the losses increase substantially during hot weather. It doesn't help that the circuits have higher resistance when warm, slightly aggravating the situation. Utilities have large capacitor banks that help but the losses do add up. Just for interest, during high inductive load, the generators have to increase their excitation current to provide more reactive power resulting in a different loss that isn't really measured. As a percentage, this loss is minimal. (more excitation current = more current to the magnetic poles to increase the magnetic field that passes across the output coils thus increasing the generator voltage)
I knew if I read enough comments I would find two guys that actually had a brain. Thank you both for some technical insight and a conspicuous lack of tinfoil hat conspiracy theories. Am I the only one that noticed, the "smart meters" we have in the states don't limit the current? He keeps talking about smart meters in France having a breaker that will trip at 45 amps. Maybe I just misunderstood? Also, I find it slightly amusing how the typical American 200-amp service is considered small by modern standards. And in France, 45 amps and seems to be the norm!
Can you sue the company that put’s this device on your home, especially when I opted out of getting?
The purpose of smart meter is to charge you more when you need electricity the most. They can’t do it with the non smart ones.
And now you have been proven correct. 🇬🇧👍
Another Issue - watched a tear down video and these smart meters and they can measure True, Apparent and Reactive power thanks to KVA billing.
Simply put, you can be billed more for using the same wattage.
I'm so glad I got off the grid 3 years ago. Just the cost of electricity is on affordable.
And if you have an electric car charging that could cause a bit of problem as you'll be quite close to your amp limit
If you have a 60kw car charging in a reasonable time could be tricky.
would be 10 hours at 6000 watts, 26 amps at 240 volts, about the same draw as the common US electric clothes dryer, my car only has a 25 kilowatt hour battery but I only charge at 3000 watts since my first Leaf only could charge at that rate
Kubla84 more like 14-16 hours 6kw x10 = 60kw would presume 100% efficiently
The hell, a 6kw clothes dryer? Is everything in the US build that shit? Now i understand why house fires happen when the exhaust gets clogged
We had a smart meter fitted 3 years ago, since then, my wife left me, I lost my job and my dog died, they certainly have a lot to answer for!
I am so sorry to hear your smart meter killed you dog.
Most of the time it's the wife or husband that gets *MURDERED* by their very own smart meter.
Frederique Zug it wasn't the smart meter that killed my dog, it died of flu, flu (flew) under a bus😊
Hate to lose a good dog.
But it's even worse to lose a family member.
I think almost 100 deaths every month is excessive.
Here in the UK they can not force a smart meter upon you by law.
You can refuse to have one fitted.
I have refused twice.
Cite and source it. Meter is owned by the electric company... Not the homeowner...
I really get and enjoy your humor! Very refreshing, especially on a tech site! I don't get, however what you are saying; not because of poor conveyance... it's ME! Example: Every time a technician would service my heat pump, they always felt compelled to explain the physics of how it worked (possibly because I'm a nice guy) & they seemed to think if I understood this, that perhaps I could save $$$ and do some maintenance myself. I always listened attentively until there were done and afterwards I never understood a WORD! Even though thru the years it's been explained a dozen times.
P.S. I live in U.S. I don't detect an accent...France?!? Really!
He has a very typical french accent! You can hear it in the way he says his Rs.
I used to be a mechanic and currently work in telecom, and a lot of the time, we're just used to explaining what we're doing and why we're doing it. A lot of people are "helicopter" customers that just HAVE to know the whats and whys and how things work, either out of general curiosity, or because they think they can catch us trying to take shortcuts, etc.
I don't like to use their terminology, "Smart meters", I like to call them, Radiation meters. Dirty electricity. Pulsing about every 30 seconds.
Actually, they pulse VERY HIGH about 7 times per minute.
What about radiation coming from the earth naturally?
@@fxsrider what about it?
@Dave Micolichek It's amusing to see people attack other people over subjects like smart meters. Instead of considering the overwhelming proof of the many dangers caused by idiot meters, they use ad hominem attack against the person who is concerned, while tossing out their nonsensical opinion about the subject. Marxism 101 at work with Dave Micoliechek - another useful idiot satan is using. Pfffft.......
@Dave Micolichek What does using the internet have to do with idiot meters? Nothing! I have a hard-wired computer, with the wifi off, so how am I being a hypocrite for being hyper-sensitive to non-ionizing radiation? Why did France (and others) ban wireless in schools,. libraries, and public buildings? I suggest you go to Deborah Tavares channel, and learn about the many dangers of NON-ionizing radiation. While ionizing radiation may have more dangers, that does NOT make non-ionizing radiation safe. I have to wonder why you are defending non-ionizing tradition, like a useful idiot for the evil entity. What is your profession?
If you GREATLY reduce your electric (or natural gas) consumption because you insulated your house... bought highly efficient air conditioner... etc etc... THEN the company will ASSUME your meter is broken because your consumption is far less than last year. THEN they will simply charge you according to what usage you had LAST YEAR during the same month!! Isn't that NICE of them to do that (not). This makes all your efforts to REDUCE YOUR BILL POINTLESS!! They did that to me with my natural gas usage one year.... and my electric usage another year. I seriously doubt my meters went bad.... they just have standard policies & procedures that screw the consumer when we become frugal users of their product!
Thank you for the info. It sounds like just another excuse to put up the bills. Modern life is turning into one big rip-off.
I am not sure about the health effects. But I heard that"smart meters" can cut your power remotely. This enable the power company to avoid peak power plants.
Also could be used for protection in case of fire or other problems and also if people don't pay the bill.
There are also other legitimate reasons.
Speaking of which in terms of cutting off power during Peak demand.
They should go back to do metered systems and have non-critical loads on one and everything else on the other.
You know in other countries they have to do right meters.
N15 Paragould houses we actually originally had to meet even though there was only one family living there.
One meter was the stare of meter for everything but one device.
The other device was a 50 gallon electric hot water heater.
It was on a meter that had it in a new grid time switch.
A k a timer that was set before the meter was installed.
It would only turn on during certain times of day.
The excess to set the timer which is a mechanical timer was sealed.
Times of day were fixed bike Rippers inside the meter fishbowl.
But there was a flat head screw like thing on the shaft to set the time to the proper time wish I had a cover that had a meter seal through it.
Also later on at the newer house still in Wisconsin by the way.
They offered a program where there was a meter that was an off-peak meter that registered power at different times at different cost per kilowatt hours.
Basically you'd use what you could it was Heavy loads at night and are hours of off-peak use.
We actually wind up using Climbers on heavy appliances.
We actually had a heavy duty outdoor lighting timer on our dehumidifier even.
Also I was tempted to build a device and hook into the washing machine and dryer so that we could turn him on without being there at the right time.
Now with the capability of doing smart grid things like that can be set up automatically on some appliances.
Under smart grid settings. Or something somewhere.
Two so-called 'smart meters' installed with a solar power system, on the transformers, immediately made me so sick I had to move out. Avoid smart meters!!
i put a copper wire mesh screen around my meter so they still have to negotiate with Fluffy to read the meter
Last week I finally got rid of my smart meter after 9 years. When they put it in, I was renting and so it would have been hard for me to get rid of. But I bought the place 3 years ago. They are rolling out 5G where I live in Florida and it has been making me sick. So I have been looking for other ways to reduce my exposure. A huge ping every two minutes. If I had know I would have found a way to get rid of it years ago. OPT OUT!
@J.P.S 💚 According to the 9th District Court, you are the one likely to be having the mental health problems if you are into 5G. Case 20-1025 EHT/CHD v FCC re: FCC Order 19-126 re: the FCC’s Insufficient Analysis of the Adequacy of the RF/MW Radiation Exposure Guideline
The U.S. Federal Court ruled on August 13, 2021, that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) must explain why it ignored science showing harm from radiofrequency/microwave (RF/MW) radiation as the FCC failed to respond to evidence that the testing of cell phones is flawed; to address evidence of prenatal harm, a potential link to ADHD, and harm to children; evidence that this radiation causes electro-sensitivity; blood-brain barrier damage; cognitive & neurological problems; and evidence of mechanisms of harm; harm from long-term exposure; pulsation, modulation, and the effects of new technologies like Wi-Fi & 5G. The Court noted that the FCC failed to address evidence of environmental harm. The court remanded the decision to the FCC.
Find out more reject5g.info/2021/09/01/a-crack-in-the-dam/
for those having health issues, wrap the meter in a tin foil blanket or run a single wire wrapped around the meter box at finger width distance apart from each loop and ground it out to the ground wire. wireless hacking prevention signal is blocked.
faraday cage
Um, this is nothing to do with the smart better and power factor. There's just a tighter tolerance on the breaker. It should have been set to 39.1A if it was supposed to limit you to 9kW. The breaker doesn't care about power factor. It's only looking at current.
Right, except the old main breakers weren't so adjustable. They were only adjustable to certain values. 3-phase breakers were typically adjustable to 20, 30, 40, 50, or 60A per phase. Single phase was usually 15, 25, 35 or 45A limit. So, for 9kW, they set it to 45A. That was nice. Now they're setting it precisely to 39.1A since the smart meters here can do that. Since we don't have massive hundred-amp hookups here as standard, people have to pay more for a beefier subscription. On top of it they say the smart meters are free, but they're actually passing the cost onto the consumer. And then on top of THAT, it turns out the power company here (which is the only choice where I live), did some evil financial nonsense with loans so that they were gonna pass an additional $500 million onto consumers. They got caught on that one, altho I don't think the case is over yet. The same has been repeated in at least 2 other countries I know of.
There is a way of masking the effects of emf by shrouding the meter in aluminum mesh !
Yea, until the power company comes and rips it off and threatens to shut your power off if you put one back on.
John Lockwood I just bought one haven’t received it yet but my daughter room is where the smart meter is located and she’s been feeling real ill since we moved here a year ago. Mine is in my backyard so how will the get to it if I’m not home and my dog is in the back😬
In the UK energy companies have been conning their consumers out of money by over-estimating future consumption and then investing the money they have effectively acquired under false pretenses to part for their holidays in the Seychelles. The backlash has been that many consumers like myself are no0 longer prepared to pay in advance for their energy usage and I now only pay for my actual usage based on my own monthly meter reading that I take personally from my analog meter and submit to the energy company's website. For the same reason I refuse to accept a smart meter as this takes its own readings of my usage and is software driven and so can be tampered with by the energy company remotely to bump up my bill. By sticking to cog and gears at least I know that the energy company aren't sending a little man with a screw driver round to fiddle with the mechanism all they can do is lie about the cost of energy asnd bump my tariff and standing charges up without justification..
Go Solar and encourage your neighbors to do the same. Help them install it to make the price point more appealing.
You will buy nor sell without the Mark of the Beast.
Scorpion1957 not me. I won't be here. Will be in the clouds. Escape in the rapture. Great Tribulation no fun.
nvsbl2 it can. Depends on the perimeter of our discussion.
My foot!
@@ritaraju4998 👉👌😛😉
Rita Raju what about your foot?
I'm buying electricity - not selling my information.
You may just as well have a damn camera and microphone in the house - oh, with the IoT, you got it!
And a remote limit / kill switch with 10,000 radio bursts an hour? Yeah, that really is tech working FOR me.
All we need is accurate meters that can be easily read. I guess we need to install " check meters" once we all have ( so-called) smart meters imposed upon us !
Why? Smart meters just simplified smart grids. Making managing loads easier....but you must enjoy blackouts... And generally being in the dark in reality... And in your head...
So basically, the power company wants to charge everyone for their power loses due to grid resistance. Instead of getting paid for individual consumer usages.
EXACTLY JAMES! Losses in the system were always classed as cost of business but they want us to pay for their inefficiency!
The other problem and I KNOW this happens because I used to wear an energy suppliers uniform. As I got out of the truck an old pensioner complained to me that his bill had jumped enormously since a smart meter was installed in his humble abode. He had done nothing new except replace and old "gas guzzling" fridge with a new higher star rated fridge. After listening to his story I believe the further your home is from the power source, the more apparent power you use so in this example his bill is more for the same usage as a home situated next to the transformer both are drawing from. Using one of those fancy wireless kWH meters you can get for your home so you can gauge your usage is now not proof enough that you didn't incur the cost to the power company to supply your power and will not help your case because as the fellow in this vid says, they measure in kVA now.
So you can jump up and down but they are measuring what is needed to supply your home, not what you actually consumed.
Although the new smart meter measures your actual power usage more accurately and that's usually bad luck for us it ALSO adds in the losses the power company used to have to deal with.
All said and done we all have to watch what we use and try to limit usage. The Earth can't handle an endless number of power suckers that we are becoming. Somethings gotta give
so take the big hint, reduce your power consumption.
+Jed Commies want us to pay high prices to fund their environmental agenda.
something they already do in the Philippines, but with dumb meters. lol
@@jed2055 It has nothing to do with distance from generation etc. Your power factor is dependent on your equipment and nothing else. What can happen is that the voltage you receive may reduce if there is seriously high inductive loads in the area, it pulls down the voltage. The costs of transmission loss is always included somewhere along the line. The only reason that people are paying more, is that the old meter was under reading.
@@@Eddiecurrent2000 I got hysteresis when I read your reply. Fact is many transmission cables are continually being upgraded to reduce power loss through resistance. Resistance increases over distance and temperature. I not only worked as a linesman but prior to that I completed my apprenticeship as a sparky. We had to upsize conductors to enable better voltage to the customer. Lower voltages means inefficient power usage. IE appliances working at lower voltages use more power. When we introduced aluminium we had to increase the diameter because as you know it has a higher resistance than copper for any given length. Part of the load on a system is the built-in resistance of the conductors on each supply line. Here in Queensland Australia we run overland transmission lines at 500,000v to a) keep conductor size down and b) reduce the percentage of voltage drop. Voltage drop is caused by resistance. So the drop is factored in and measurable. Power stealers have been caught because the voltage drop has increased. People thought they could drive a big transformer under the line out in the boonies pick up voltage inductively and not get caught. This action adds resistance to the line and introduces measurable increases in voltage drop changes as it is monitored at the source and destination. These thieves are always caught.
As for inductance, whoot! When working on 11kV HV lines that ran more or less parallel with overhead 330,000v transmission lines, we had to earth what we were working on all over the place or cop belts on any metallic object on the pole that was electrically connected to the line.
But I digress, voltage drop is the big issue with transmission and with smart meters we the consumer will pay for the losses. I thought that was fairly obvious to anybody familiar with electricity.
From: www.engineeringtoolbox.com/kva-reactive-d_886.html
Apparent Power - S. The apparent power is the power supplied to the electric circuit - typical from a power supplier to the grid - to cover the real and reactive power consumption in the loads.
Thanks for your reply eddiecurrent. I do get amped up about electricity.
When they came to do my meter I questioned the operator extensively and was told that eventually, everyone in PA was to be changed over by the year 2020. Nothing has changed, my electric bill is almost the same as previous years.
Wait until everyone is switched over to this evil control grid. Then they will start escalating the charges on all the "slaves."
Except... the electric company charges a monthly fee to Come to the house to read the meter if you refuse to switch. That fee starts and then goes up.
To Chuck Howard (below). In my area the electricity is 23 cents a KW and BECAUSE I have a SMART METER they can monitor what time I use electricity and how much I use. My billing rate jumps up to more than double between 5PM and 8PM. How much does it change?....it goes to 47 cents/ kW. This is the time when families come home from work and need electricity.
The electric company is in a much better position. They can exploit your need, lay off 98% of the meter readers, charge you for KVA and therefore you pay more and get less, and if you dont let them put their meter on the house then that extra $10 for reading your meter is likely to go up.
Why not do it your self like I do take monthly readings and send to the company.
No need for a smart meter
I’m glad the US doesn’t have such low limits. The average home in the US has 200A service to it , some more which is overkill for most people
Yeah but the US use 110 volts, the rest of us use 220/240 volts ......simple....... half the voltage double the current watts/volts=amps.....ie 10000W/110V=90.9A. Or 10000W/230V=43.47A
uhhh... US homes are supplied a 240 Split Phase so i'm not sure where you got that Info from... My house has a 240V 200A Main Disconnect. Internal power plugs are 120Va mostly due to safety, Legacy devices, and the fact that 240 is only used for large high load 30+amp Circuits.older homes from 30-40's and on were wired 240 mostly. some of the REALLY old stuff still has fuses but most of its Changed over. and most Lines All supply Split Phase.
Single Phase 240 is Super dangerous to come in contact with in regards to death from shock, while 240 Split Phase Means your Variance from ground is only ever 120 volts.
Xyphren interesting. We live on the edge here. 400 to 415 volts between phases and 230 to 240 single phase. Most houses here are single phase with a 60amp fuse.
We have 230 V single phase in the Netherlands and i had as a electrician lots of shocks and i am still alive.It just depends were you are shocked,just one finger and you pull your finger in a instant.Finger in one hand and finger in the other hand on zero and then its becomes dangerous.
Bleeding Diesel903 200A is overkill?
Perhaps for older households, but with the growing trend for 4+ Tv's, each with a cable decoder, 1-2 DVR's, 2-3 high end gaming consoles, and more gaming computers than residents, on top of the usual utilities (fridge, washer, drier, dishwasher), with the potential for all that to be on at once, and 100A isn't enough.
Simply a way to squeeze a bit more money out of you. They actually DO NOT cut off your power if you exceed the subscription; they simply automatically upgrade you to the next higher subscription. (it is against the law for them to un-announced cut off your power. They MUST by law notify you if your power is to be cut off. This is because of liability from people that use medical devices that must remain powered.)
This is what happens when politicians interfere with markets, the power companies have always worked with the losses in mind and the tariff rate allows for the losses.
I'll apply the original definition of Smart as in , causing 'sharp pain' to this word.
There are no positives, when I was at work, my meter was changed.Soon after the next bill is, with the same usage,went up nearly $20.00. The hell with this. I can't go back either. Ffff
I save $650 a year with a smart meter because I can charge my elec vehicle at night when the rates are lower.
yeah we just cut the whole power we create our own now we don't even have a power company total off-grid and it works
I'm curious if that is even legal where I live.
But is it cheaper ?
@@stop.juststop Screw them, who cares about their silly laws anymore?
@@victoreous626 oh, I agree. It was more a question born out of curiosity. There are some states where it is illegal to collect rain water, which I think is absurd. It seems to me very immoral and unjust to enforce such laws.
@@stop.juststop Imagine my pain. I live in California. Not for much longer though....
The old meters knows what power you have used but not what the prevailing tariff was when it was used.
In the UK, the price of electricity changes every half hour, dependent on demand and the plant on line to supply that demand. Peak periods (mealtimes, something good on TV) can see huge increases in the price of electricity at these times. With a Smart meter, not only will it know what power you have used but the time at which it was used and the tariff at this time. So, if you want to use power during peak periods, you will pay handsomely for the privilege! The UK no longer has a coherent energy policy, closing power stations to "save the planet"too much reliance on renewables. Just wait for the first cold winter with a blocking anti cyclone (no wind) and see what electricity will cost then! Any company that say that these things save you money are lying! There is not one industry, business or company on the planet that would encourage or even welcome a a cut in profits or cash flow.
Mike H It's not just about increased charges though, it's about tracking our day-to-day lives at home.
@@richardmadden8742 of course it is, of course it is...
@@Eddiecurrent2000 Explain to me something........if they are about saving us money - why wouldn't they just cut their prices? The House of Commons stated the average saving from a Smart Meter was £6 a year. Why spend £12 Billion to save each household and business £6 a year? It doesn't make sense and if it doesn't make sense - it's not true. The reason is tiered charging and data collection.
Richard Madden firstly it isn’t really about cutting costs, but usage, secondly it’s also about realtime data being used to see where network reinforcement is needed, thirdly it’s about making billing easier, accurate and actually more simple. It’s not really about saving you money per se, but giving you the chance to see what your minute by minute usage is. But in reality it’s really about using the data to profile usage and trends and to provide more accurate charging structures depending on time of day usage etc. They’re not interested in what you’re doing with the electricity and they can’t tell what you’re doing with it.
@@Eddiecurrent2000 They certainly can tell "what you're doing with it".
The high-resolution energy consumption data which are transmitted to the utility company allow intrusive identification and monitoring of equipment within consumers’ homes
(e. g., TV set, refrigerator, toaster, and oven).
Our research shows that the analysis of the household’s electricity usage profile at a 0.5s −1 sample rate does reveal what channel the TV set in the household was displaying. It is also possible to identify (copyright-protected) audiovisual content in the power profile that is displayed on a CRT, a Plasma display TV or a LCD television set with dynamic backlighting. Our test results indicate that a 5 minutes-chunk of consecutive viewing without major interference by other appliances is sufficient to identify the content.
www.nds.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/media/nds/veroeffentlichungen/2012/07/24/ike2012.pdf
So glad I refuse to have one of those installed , don’t want any of their SMART anything
It's complicated... LOL... given we use complex numbers, it is even if we fully understand it... (gotta love power factor and phase angle)
You touched on the monitoring of power use against time, some of these meters can differentiate between different equipment so the power companies can gather substantial data bases of your occupancy and what your doing. Imagine the benefit of knowing your occupancy routine to a telemarketer for example. We need someone to build a damper or filter device to strip out the info before it gets to the power company.
Mess with a meter and you commit a crime. Here in the USA, it's a FELONY.
LC does not appear to be advocating tampering with the meter itself. Just some sort of device that would "scramble (for lack of a better term) any appliance-specific signatures before they reach the meter. The actual power consumed (and recorded) would not change and the power company would not lose any billing revenue. What they would lose is any potential side revenue gained by selling your personal habits/information to 3rd parties. There is literally no legitimate reason why the power company needs to know anything about your usage habits aside from peak load times.
Bregil, there is so much ignorance and disinformation about what a smart meter can do. Those meters don't have the capacity to capture appliance specific consumption, other than perhaps the water heater, oven, furnace or air conditioner. Those are big loads and consume large peak current. That information is USELESS to anyone but the power company. They don't sell that data because no one cares when your water heater kicks on.
What you need to be concerned about are things like Alexa that LISTENS TO YOU AT ALL TIMES. Or your web browsers that keep track of the things you search for or shopping sites you visit.
I completely agree with you on the privacy threat that web browsers and "services" like Alexa pose. It's very much a challenge these days to even attempt to live a life that doesn't involve someone tracking your every move for ad revenue.........
You are nothing more than an ignorant fear monger spreading FUD. A smart meter has no way of determining what devices in a home are drawing power. A smart meter is recording what the old meter recorded; the total amount of power use since the last reading The utilities could have always sold that data to anyone in the past, however people are making shit up because they don't know a damned thing.. No doubt there will come time when new or remodeled build will be wired to support load management, but that's years into the future. Interfere with the utilities billing could get someone disconnected.
Let's look at why we do not need smart meters.
#1 A smart meter will hurt or even KILL disabled homeowners who have disabled medical implants. The average of deaths by smart meter radiation and smart meter fires is almost 100 every month in North America.
#2 Did you know if your power company “turned off” the power to your home when they did a smart meter install, your chance of a smart meter fire increased by a factor of 10,000.
#3 Your power company has access to all of you private power information. Eg When you make tea, when you turn on your alarm etc. This private information is sold to Google for huge sums of money. Ask your power company what the second radio transmitter in your smart meter does. (ZigBee)
#4 A smart meter will cause cancer to return if your family members who are fighting cancer at home. If they come home from the hospital and sleep near a smart meter, they will die. Check with the US Cancer Society website.
#5 Smart Meter RADIATION will turn off breakers in your home. Both AFCI's and GFI's get turned off by the radiation from the smart meter.
#6 You smart meter is very accurate, BUT, the software (firmware) is programmable. Your bill has nothing to do with the power you use.
#7 Smart meter radiation is breaking Ionic Bonding.
#8 A huge expenditure for a huge loss. Billions of dollars to purchase something that does not general generate any power and each smart meter need 4 watts to operate. One million smart meters use 4,000 KILOWATTS of energy to operate.
#9 The second radio transmitter is for ZigBee. If you want your power company to MONITOR your home 24/7, then you are in luck. Don’t forget, this private information will be sold. Why do you think your power company spends BILLIONS of dollars and does not generate one watt of extra power to sell?
Do you know any attorney that would take on my power company for refusing to remove their smart meter from my apartment, even after I opted out? This crap is making me sick, dirty electricity, EMF burnout.
Sorry, try someone in these groups.
stopsmartmeters.com.au/actions-you-can-take/support-groups/
We covered ours in a home made faraday cage- 2$. No more tinnitus and headaches or being utterly drained in the morning
Did you surround the entire meter?
Hilarious.. maybe you need your Meds adjusted.