"Brothers and sisters are natural enemies. Like Englishman and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!" - Groundskeeper Willie
@@jenncansell3432 I think it's because Pendennis was mostly owned by big companies and not individual people where as Scotsman was people which then drained their money pretty fast.
The Castle class were more economical than the original Gresley A1s, as the 1925 trials showed - not just down to coal. But Gresley learnt from this, modified the valves to give better steam flow and produced the A3s. In due course all the A1s, including Flying Scotsman, were converted to the better A3s. You could say that Pendennis Castle helped Flying Scotsman to realise its full potential.
I mean, if you count the Peckett I guess... but most of the narrow gauge tank engines we have are American designed, Australian built. And two French designed, Belgian built.
She does look beautiful. I've seen the video about Flying Scotsman's Australia tour and it also showed a bit of Pendennis Castle here. A very beautiful locomotive which is sadly not as well known. Nice vid 👍 thumbs up
I work on the former Hamersley iron railway (now Rio tinto). The carriages and water tender shown in your photos of pendennis castle in the Pilbara (pronounced pil-bra with a short A sound BTW 😉) are still there. I have photos of them somewhere. They are sadly very dilapidated now though. I also have several other photos of Pendennis Castle in the Pilbara that I have sourced from various places.
In 1976 prior to departing to Australia, Pendennis ran a farewell run from Birmingham to Didcot and return. On its return trip it was detached from its train at Knowle and Dorridge to run light back to Tyseley, the train forwarded by diesel. I was then in my teens a checker/shunter at Dorridge yard. I had the great privilege of detaching Pendennis from its train, closely watched by the big boys of course. A day I will never forget. I'm glad that it safely returned home though 😀😀
Been in the cab twice! own a piece of its original boiler strap and own two oo gauge models one being customised to look like how it is now! Safe to say i'm its biggest fan
Not sure how safe you are until we find out how many models the owners of the other parts of the boiler strap possess, but you're definitely in the running.
I am a fan of Pendennis Castle and I'm happy that you made a video about it's life sailing across the globe and how it spent most of it preservation life in Australia in the later half of the 20th Century.
Thomas: I'm the first engine to go around the world! Flying Scotsman: Um... Thomas: Second engine... Pendennis Castle: Excuse me? Thomas: ... Alright, third engine! But first tank engine, mind you!
On the exchange trials, she could leave Kings Cross and immediately enter the Gasworks Tunnel which has a rising gradient. The A4s would struggle on the climb, whereas 4079 was still accelerating as it emerged into the sunlight. Another example of God's Wonderful Railway, thanks to Charle Collett. Thanks for a great presentation.
I first heard about Pendennis Castle as a kid when watching the "Railway Adventures Across Australia" series (Great, great 6 parter that's still worth a watch) which was released in 1999, just before the announcement that it was returning to the UK. It looked so out of place, in the corner of the country, out near the desert, surrounded by Iron Ore rolling stock.
I once dreamed of my country Australia having a massive steam gala in Sydney Central Station, and they get steam locos from other foreign countries including the UK
@@Skasaha_ If it wasn't for bloody Sydney deciding "hurr durr no we go SG" at the 11th hour then we'd all be on BG or NG and not have these issues but Sydney's gotta be Sydney.
However, the GWR claim that the Castles were more powerful than the A1s per se was based on the spurious grounds of tractive effort. This only matters starting heavy trains from rest. The continuous power output at high speed is a much better indication. The Castles did have better valve dimensions than the A1s which made them freer-running and more economical, hence their victory in the 1925 comparative trials. Gresley put this right with the A3s (and later A4s like Mallard) and converted the A1s including Flying Scotsman to A3s. The Kings had a higher tractive effort than the A4s, but the A4s and LMS Duchesses produced maximum sustained power outputs well above those of a King, because boiler capacity and grate area also contribute.
@@iankemp1131 - Thanks for that explanation. The Kings, like Stanier's Pacifics on the LMS, had particularly challenging territory -- almost level across the Thames valley, and then up and down and up again through Devon. That's a challenge for any steam engine built within British loading gauge to do at speed.
@@pacificostudios Very true. It's an interesting question on many routes whether it's better to have the sure-footedness of a 4-6-0 or the bigger grate area of a wide firebox 4-6-2. Over recent years it's been possible to compare side-by-side on Shap or South Devon, and several classes from all the Big Four railways (and BR) have put in distinguished performances. Weather conditions can affect the choice as well!
@@iankemp1131 Weight limits were also a factor during the U.K. steam era. Apparently, the relatively weak bridges on the GWR bridges prevented Kings from crossing the Saltash into Cornwall.
@@pacificostudios Yes, the Kings had very limited route availability and had to be changed at Plymouth. For most tasks a Castle could do just as well, which is why there were never more than 30 Kings, while more Castles were built all the way up to nationalisation to a total of 171.
0:10 I've Didn't Know GWR Castle Class 4.6.2 Main Line Express Locomotive 4079 Pendennis Castle And LNER A3 Pacific Locomotive 4472 Flying Scotsman Did Go To Australia Down Under. Gday Mate. X
Although the Castles outperformed the A1s in the 1925 trials, the GWR claim that the Castles were more powerful than the A1s per se was based on the spurious grounds of tractive effort. This only matters starting heavy trains from rest. The continuous power output at high speed is a much better indication. However, this cannot be predicted by a simple formula like tractive effort. Some small-wheeled goods engines have a higher TE than Castles or A1s but would be unable to haul heavy express trains at high speed. The Castles had better valve dimensions than the A1s which made them freer-running and more economical. Gresley put this right with the A3s (and later A4s like Mallard) and converted the A1s including Flying Scotsman to A3s.
Love seeing some focus on Australian rail history although im so expecting to see comments from people being like "what do you mean New South Wales that doesn't make sense" not realizing its a state here in Australia not actually a part of Wales 😆
One of the issues I believe with Pendennis Castle operating in the Pilbra was coal. Not so much the cost of the coal but the cost of transporting the coal to the Pilbra. Dampier in the Pilbra of Western Australia is about 5000 kilometres from the coal fields of Newcastle, New South Wales. ie on the other side of the country.
“There are two ways of doing things, the Great Western Way or the wrong way, I’m Great Western, and I do things the Great Western Way” -Montigew. AKA Duck
Hammersly Iron (which is isolated from the rest of Australian railways), along with New South Wales and the line Sydney to Perth are all Standard Gauge ( 4 foot 8 1/2 inches - 1,435 mm) the same as UK. Queensland has narrow gauge and Victoria broad gauge ( except for the main line between Sydney and both Capitals) . I don't think either Pendennis nor Flying Scotsman traveled beyond the standard gauge
Great video, but for clarity pendennis isn't really british, its cornish. Only cornishmen care, so you can guess where I was born & raised. Very very weird that it was named after pendennis, there are so friggin many other castles they could had chosen from
This engine should never have been in Australia. I believe it was purchased because NSWGR wouldn't sell them a 36 class ?. This would have been a far better choice.
Most steam locomotives were built/imported from England to Australia. So I don’t see why it’ll be a big surprise we Australians actually acquire one of the GWR engines
Victorian engines were mostly built at Newport or Ballarat. Our final steam loco, the R class, is quite the odd one out and was built in Glasgow. Also, the ones that were built overseas were still usually unique classes, especially in Victoria with our broad gauge.
Luv grate westun,
Luv me castles,
'Ate Scotsman (nothing against 'em, just don't like 'um)
Simple as
"Brothers and sisters are natural enemies. Like Englishman and Scots. Or Welshmen and Scots. Or Japanese and Scots. Or Scots and other Scots. Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!" - Groundskeeper Willie
@@quillmaurer6563 Beat me to it.
Can we appreciate the fact that this engine didn't bankrupt its owners like a certain other steam loco in the video. Gotta love the castles :)
That wasn't Pegglers fault-entirely-
@@jenncansell3432 I think it's because Pendennis was mostly owned by big companies and not individual people where as Scotsman was people which then drained their money pretty fast.
He is Gordon's cousin after all. High maintenance. Lol
Not really the engines fault I don't think. More business choices of the owner
Pendennis castle was owned by one of Australia’s largest exporters of iron ore. It’s future was guaranteed.
The Castle class were more economical than the original Gresley A1s, as the 1925 trials showed - not just down to coal. But Gresley learnt from this, modified the valves to give better steam flow and produced the A3s. In due course all the A1s, including Flying Scotsman, were converted to the better A3s. You could say that Pendennis Castle helped Flying Scotsman to realise its full potential.
“When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master.”
If you look at Australia's history, We have a lot of locomotives imported from England, from little narrow gauge tank engines to mighty Garratts. :-)
👌
Where's the video on the imported crane terriers?
@@primrosevale1995 well the nsw terriers weren’t imported
I mean, if you count the Peckett I guess... but most of the narrow gauge tank engines we have are American designed, Australian built. And two French designed, Belgian built.
AINT NO WAY IT'S MSTNOODLE
"There are only two ways of doing things. The wrong way and, the Great Western way"
- Montague (Duck) Pannier 0-6-0 tank number 5471
She does look beautiful. I've seen the video about Flying Scotsman's Australia tour and it also showed a bit of Pendennis Castle here. A very beautiful locomotive which is sadly not as well known. Nice vid 👍 thumbs up
I work on the former Hamersley iron railway (now Rio tinto). The carriages and water tender shown in your photos of pendennis castle in the Pilbara (pronounced pil-bra with a short A sound BTW 😉) are still there. I have photos of them somewhere. They are sadly very dilapidated now though. I also have several other photos of Pendennis Castle in the Pilbara that I have sourced from various places.
In 1976 prior to departing to Australia, Pendennis ran a farewell run from Birmingham to Didcot and return. On its return trip it was detached from its train at Knowle and Dorridge to run light back to Tyseley, the train forwarded by diesel. I was then in my teens a checker/shunter at Dorridge yard. I had the great privilege of detaching Pendennis from its train, closely watched by the big boys of course. A day I will never forget. I'm glad that it safely returned home though 😀😀
Been in the cab twice! own a piece of its original boiler strap and own two oo gauge models one being customised to look like how it is now! Safe to say i'm its biggest fan
Not sure how safe you are until we find out how many models the owners of the other parts of the boiler strap possess, but you're definitely in the running.
Great to see some Aussie content from you, more please!
as someone who lives in Western Australia, all i can say is... im glad u made this!
The Castle's superiority over the GNR/LNER A1 was its long travel valve gear. Of this, the LNER took private note at the Darlington Celebrations.
Cool! Hope to see more stuff about Australian steam engines!
Nice to hear a Thomas and friends line!
"There are two ways of doing things, The Great Western Way and the wrong way."
There are three if you count The Thomas Way.
@@ciarangleeson2880 The Thomas way is the wrong way.
I am a fan of Pendennis Castle and I'm happy that you made a video about it's life sailing across the globe and how it spent most of it preservation life in Australia in the later half of the 20th Century.
The Flying Scotsman Is Amazing
I Will Talk About Australia Locomotive with Luke
I was just learning about this loco the other week! Glad to see you cover it here. Keep up the sweet work :D
Nice movie, thanks for sharing ! 🚂🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚃🚂🚂
Pendennis castle would have been a fun Thomas character as Flying Scotsman's rival
Flying Scotsman: You’re not the only British engine to travel.
Pendennis Castle: Yes, but I’m the only one to do it successfully!
Scotsman’s trip to Australia was successful
Thomas: I'm the first engine to go around the world!
Flying Scotsman: Um...
Thomas: Second engine...
Pendennis Castle: Excuse me?
Thomas: ... Alright, third engine! But first tank engine, mind you!
All the s100 engines: I am a joke to you. Just listen to my Texan accent
@@AdventureswithGeneral Don't forget the Staniers....
They been places
@@davidty2006 you talking the 8fs? They served abroad in the war.
@@AdventureswithGeneral Yes.
The events of the loan to the LNER, also provided the spark for the creation of the LNER A4 class
On the exchange trials, she could leave Kings Cross and immediately enter the Gasworks Tunnel which has a rising gradient. The A4s would struggle on the climb, whereas 4079 was still accelerating as it emerged into the sunlight.
Another example of God's Wonderful Railway, thanks to Charle Collett.
Thanks for a great presentation.
Great video. Scotsman gets all the glory, but the GW Castles are something else
1:00 that A1 actually next to the castle is Flying Fox, LNER 4475
Great video, I'd love to see more Australian content.
I’m glad that someone is finally talking about this
Beautiful engines, those Castles. Nice video.
Channelling your inner Duck at the end there 😅
Duck will be pleased his quote got used. (4:25)🦆
YOOOOOO!!!!!! FINALLY TRAIN OF THOUGHT MADE AN AUSTRALIAN VIDEO !!!!!!!!
I first heard about Pendennis Castle as a kid when watching the "Railway Adventures Across Australia" series (Great, great 6 parter that's still worth a watch) which was released in 1999, just before the announcement that it was returning to the UK. It looked so out of place, in the corner of the country, out near the desert, surrounded by Iron Ore rolling stock.
4:31 “there are two ways of doing things the wrong way or the great western way”
-A certain GWR 5700 class
Switch those around and you got it spot on.
I once dreamed of my country Australia having a massive steam gala in Sydney Central Station, and they get steam locos from other foreign countries including the UK
With the recent conversion of an R-class to standard gauge it could even have Victoria represented too, lol.
@@Skasaha_ If it wasn't for bloody Sydney deciding "hurr durr no we go SG" at the 11th hour then we'd all be on BG or NG and not have these issues but Sydney's gotta be Sydney.
Pendennis Castle was lent to the LNER in 1925 to prove GWR stood for 'Gresley Wasn't Right'.
Yeah Australia I really wished I could see this one but it left too soon before I was born and I wish it could come back since I love British steam
awesome video
Australia has got the best and most amazing trains. 😍
I didn't know that a GWR Castle is more powerful than an LNER A1. And then GWR went on to build the King class. Remarkable.
However, the GWR claim that the Castles were more powerful than the A1s per se was based on the spurious grounds of tractive effort. This only matters starting heavy trains from rest. The continuous power output at high speed is a much better indication. The Castles did have better valve dimensions than the A1s which made them freer-running and more economical, hence their victory in the 1925 comparative trials. Gresley put this right with the A3s (and later A4s like Mallard) and converted the A1s including Flying Scotsman to A3s. The Kings had a higher tractive effort than the A4s, but the A4s and LMS Duchesses produced maximum sustained power outputs well above those of a King, because boiler capacity and grate area also contribute.
@@iankemp1131 - Thanks for that explanation. The Kings, like Stanier's Pacifics on the LMS, had particularly challenging territory -- almost level across the Thames valley, and then up and down and up again through Devon. That's a challenge for any steam engine built within British loading gauge to do at speed.
@@pacificostudios Very true. It's an interesting question on many routes whether it's better to have the sure-footedness of a 4-6-0 or the bigger grate area of a wide firebox 4-6-2. Over recent years it's been possible to compare side-by-side on Shap or South Devon, and several classes from all the Big Four railways (and BR) have put in distinguished performances. Weather conditions can affect the choice as well!
@@iankemp1131 Weight limits were also a factor during the U.K. steam era. Apparently, the relatively weak bridges on the GWR bridges prevented Kings from crossing the Saltash into Cornwall.
@@pacificostudios Yes, the Kings had very limited route availability and had to be changed at Plymouth. For most tasks a Castle could do just as well, which is why there were never more than 30 Kings, while more Castles were built all the way up to nationalisation to a total of 171.
0:10 I've Didn't Know GWR Castle Class 4.6.2 Main Line Express Locomotive 4079 Pendennis Castle And LNER A3 Pacific Locomotive 4472 Flying Scotsman Did Go To Australia Down Under. Gday Mate. X
Castle class are 4 6 0🙄
“There are two ways of doing things, the Great Western way or the wrong way.” Sorry I had to because of what he said at the end.
Don’t we know it!
Too bad I wasn't around to see these great events!
Although the Castles outperformed the A1s in the 1925 trials, the GWR claim that the Castles were more powerful than the A1s per se was based on the spurious grounds of tractive effort. This only matters starting heavy trains from rest. The continuous power output at high speed is a much better indication. However, this cannot be predicted by a simple formula like tractive effort. Some small-wheeled goods engines have a higher TE than Castles or A1s but would be unable to haul heavy express trains at high speed. The Castles had better valve dimensions than the A1s which made them freer-running and more economical. Gresley put this right with the A3s (and later A4s like Mallard) and converted the A1s including Flying Scotsman to A3s.
I've seen Caerphilly Castle it's very nice
How about one on the GWR "Kerosine Castle"?
Great last line.
Since we're on the topic of the GWR, why don't you do a video on the Great Western Shunters' trucks?
The Flying Scotsman Is Famous For Everything
Nice
Love seeing some focus on Australian rail history although im so expecting to see comments from people being like "what do you mean New South Wales that doesn't make sense" not realizing its a state here in Australia not actually a part of Wales 😆
Mitchell and Webb did an amusing bit about the naming of NSW.
@@garryferrington811 whos the captain again?
Finally, a loco I've seen in real life!
One of the issues I believe with Pendennis Castle operating in the Pilbra was coal. Not so much the cost of the coal but the cost of transporting the coal to the Pilbra.
Dampier in the Pilbra of Western Australia is about 5000 kilometres from the coal fields of Newcastle, New South Wales. ie on the other side of the country.
big Australian boi
Suggestion: Maybe talk about the JNR C62 class for being the fastest steam locomotive in Japan? It also became a popular anime series!
Its sister is one of the most recognizeable locomotives in modern times too.
The Hogwards Express
The Hogwarts Castle is a Hall Class. Not a Castle
I just know this will spark another debate about which engine was the first to go 100 mph or at least (officially recorded)
Duck approves of this video documentory 😂
Trains woah
Good
4:26 Love the "Thomas the Tank Engine" reference lol
4:05 she isn’t currently mainline certified
3:51 I just realised I’ve seen this IRL 😂
“There are two ways of doing things, the Great Western Way or the wrong way, I’m Great Western, and I do things the Great Western Way”
-Montigew. AKA Duck
It’s spelled Montague.
The black and white photo you used is a Star class not a castle
Pendennis castle visits the land of the Pendennis palm?
To think in just 13 months time, it'll be 100 years old...
I HATE HOW ALMOST EVERYONE IN THE COMMENT SECTION ARE SAYING "castles are something else" OR "castles cost less money" A3`S ARE GOOD TO.
It cab floor has a giant hole in it
Been on this engine at didcot i have links
next video should be about the 600 and the three nuclear locomotive, just an idea
600 vthree
Ironic a great western railways locomotive wound up in a city called Newcastle down under
Wasn't a 2800 sent to Australia or Japan or something?
I'm not sure, but there are 4 ROD 2-8-0's preserved in Australia
@@bskorupk no, sorry, I mean a GWR 2800
@@RHTeebs I was aware, but I couldn't find anything about other GWR engines being sent down under, so I looked for engines that resemble them
@@bskorupk Ah. Ok. I swear a 2800 went to Australia. It could have been Japan.
Did I imagine it but I thought Australia had slightly narrower track gauge than the UK, is that just part of the network or was I totally wrong.
we have a mix of standard gauge and a 1600mm broad gauge
Hammersly Iron (which is isolated from the rest of Australian railways), along with New South Wales and the line Sydney to Perth are all Standard Gauge ( 4 foot 8 1/2 inches - 1,435 mm) the same as UK. Queensland has narrow gauge and Victoria broad gauge ( except for the main line between Sydney and both Capitals) . I don't think either Pendennis nor Flying Scotsman traveled beyond the standard gauge
@@gold4leaf and then there is Peterborough with all three on the same stretch of track
@@cathli_fox are yes ... narrow, standard and broad .. a very unique place in Australian railways
@@katelights and narrow gauge ... Queensland and Puffing Billy in Victoria and parts of South Australia
Imagine having to stick with your rival for the rest of your life:
Great video, but for clarity pendennis isn't really british, its cornish.
Only cornishmen care, so you can guess where I was born & raised.
Very very weird that it was named after pendennis, there are so friggin many other castles they could had chosen from
The Flying Scotsman at home
4:30 HE SAID THE THING
A1s are overrated. I love my Castles.
You should do a video on the most perfect train ever built
600 v3
11 hours till this is 24 hours or 1 day old
Poor castle always one step behind old scotty
THE GREATE WESTERN WAY PERVAILS
I'm Great Western and I...
Quack quack quack!!
The great western way or the wrong way
Standardization my beloved
He said it he said the line he said Duck the great western engines line
Every other engine near of Duck: *Don't we know it!!*
GWR means Gresley Was Right.
Well I would prefer a Castle to an A3 any day.
the great western way is the best way
bro literally destroyed the a1s then when to austraila
No Malace intended here but Pilbara is pronounced as Pil-bra
-The great western way- duck intensifies
Montague
@@FunAngelo2005 I know
This engine should never have been in Australia. I believe it was purchased because NSWGR wouldn't sell them a 36 class ?. This would have been a far better choice.
Un less I missed it nether the flying Scotsman or the pan castle was in Asia
Most steam locomotives were built/imported from England to Australia. So I don’t see why it’ll be a big surprise we Australians actually acquire one of the GWR engines
I suspect it has more to do with the fact that it was this particular engine.
Victorian engines were mostly built at Newport or Ballarat. Our final steam loco, the R class, is quite the odd one out and was built in Glasgow.
Also, the ones that were built overseas were still usually unique classes, especially in Victoria with our broad gauge.
Of course P C is better than the much hyped FS, it's GWR (the original )🤣
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