GenCon 2018 Twilight Imperium Finals
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- BEHOLD! The Finals of the 2018 GenCon Twilight Imperium Tournament. 36 combatants competed over 3 days to crown themselves the supreme leader of Mecatol Rex. In this game, you will find the Federation of Sol, the Emirates of Hacan, the Barony of Letnev, the Clan of Saar, the Naalu Collective, and the L1z1x Mindnet.
This game is an edited down version of the final game, which took roughly 4 hours. It is primarily commentary, since the ability to capture quality audio in a large event space is limited. Enjoy!
Once you learn all of the complicated rules of this game it's actually one of the most fun board games you'll ever play.
I don’t even know if I agree with “complicated,” per se. There are a lot of rules, and the ways they fit together might not be immediately obvious, but I never found any of them particularly difficult (the implications of activating a system are probably the least intuitive, but since it’s the single most common action in the game, you get over it fast). You might have to watch and read for an hour, but you will get to basic competency if you put in the time.
@@artstsym Agreed. I have played TI 4 several times with veteran and new players and there never seemed to be an issue with people understanding the rules. In my opinion, there are many Euro style board games that are much more complex than TI 4. I think the sheer table presence is what some people find to be the most intimidating thing. Once you explain how things work, people tend to pick it up fast (at least people that are accustomed to playing board games that is).
the rules are actually super simple. it's the vast decision space that makes it difficult to decide what best to do, but the rules of WHAT you CAN do are easy.
True, I had my very 1st game recently and I love it so much
And NOW we are looking forward to Inscription.
purple - "Naalu" - The Naalu Collective
yellow - "Baron" - The Barony of Letnev
green - "Saar" - The Clan of Saar
black - "L1" - The L1Z1X Mindnet
blue - "Sol" - The Federation of Sol
red - "Hacan" - The Emirates of Hacan
Naalu should have picked green.
Baron should have picked purple.
Saar should have picked yellow.
L1 picking black is correct.
Sol picking blue is correct.
Hacan picking red is acceptable.
@@Straddllw
Naalu should have picked green
Barony should have picked red
Saar should have picked black
L1 should have picked purple
Sol should have picked blue
Hacan should have picked yellow
thx
The commentators are absolute legends in this video. Well done
Great video, it is really engaging to watch a game summary with commentary like this. Thanks for the hard work
Great comentary explaining what was going on at all times and what each person were thinking all while not completely spoiling the ending! Thank you so much for making the video it was an absolute treat to watch :)
Awesome! I'm the Yellow player, going to be at Gencon on Thursday for TI!
Good luck man! Purple will be there Saturday!
It was very nice of you, seeing that the Naalu would win in his turn, but but you kept it from warning the other players that he had enough resources (probably to honor the promissory deal with the Naalu player). Excellent fair play. Nice swing mid to late game :)
Dropping ships like "Another one ... another one ... and another one ... "
@@MuchachoC sick spoilers dude
@@RUclipsAccount5 why would you read comments inside comments before watching...
The commentators really tried to drum up sympathy for Saar, but they brought this on themselves. Saar effectively killed L1 in the beginning, encroached on everyone’s territory, took Mecatol. Saar got too greedy and aggressive, even for a Saar player, and faced the wrath of the table because of it.
i am not able to get people to play Twilight Imperium, so this board game sits unused in my collection. i would like to play it once in my life and find people in my country that likes to play this board game.
This final looks like alot of fun
You should get table top simulator on steam. It's how the space cat guys play a lot of their games online with other people.
get table top simulator for 20 bucks on steam. then download ti4 mod. there are usually about 4 game going daily and you can easily start playing whenever you like
What country you from?
Sebastiaan, are you from the Netherlands?
Find a board game club, dude.
1:41:56 "we've now gotten to the part of the game where people are just standing up randomly" 😂
Less than a minute into watching this video I'm thinking "Oh wow! He's putting the planet cards on each planet so it's easy to collect the right card when you take the planet, genius!"
lmao, tells you in the rule book to do this. Also is just quicker funny how different players experience can be.
@@devlynleopardi7040 so much quicker! Never noticed it before 😂
Ye, this is gonna save so much time!
I've suggested to FFG that they add a new metarule that whoever is in control of MecRex can send another player to get them a drink or a pizza slice. They seem amenable to the idea.
Well done folks. This video was excellent. Worth the wait.
😍😂🥰😁🥳
This game looks weird, I'm not used to seeing any amount of table during a game of Twilight Imperium!
Add they have servants to draw cards they cant reach!!!
It feels wrong if everyone’s not walking around way too small of a table, squinting with disgust at their position.
1:39:00 the sticker was removed. #Stickerwatch2018
I've been loving your podcast since my friend recommended watching this! I've played twice, but now I can hear all of your theories and strategies and helpful tips on the podcast!
Great job guys! I have to admit, at this level of play, I'm shocked that the entire group didn't zero in on Naalu at the start of the final round and check to see if he could get one of the 2 point objectives? I mean, he had 8 points and the Imperial strategy card!
Ya, it's obvious watching from the outside, but it was a high-stress game and everybody was bolting for the finish line.
I was angry too for such a letdown final turn. But now I think Hacan's player did his math, but not accounted for the 2 trade goods Naalu received from Letnev for selling the promissory in the end of the Agenda phase. It's hard to keep track of these last minute trades, before the next round begins
edit: nah, I take it back now. I watched again and the moment Letnev and Naalu made the promissory deal the Hacan player was fully aware, and even talked to the players. Even if he did trust his math, he was dragging at last place, so the minimum he could do to maybe get one more round was going full on on the leader, which happened to be totally at his grasp. They both probably had killer hands of action cards, it would have been a great battle to watch
@@MuchachoC I think Letnev knew and enabled the win because he knew it would secure second place for him - makes sense because you get a trophy that way but I hate that he didn't play to win instead
Spoiler Alert! XD
@@theeverincreasingly it makes sense to me that you prefer a certain 2nd place rather risking being last by going for first
Thanks for recording the tournament and the commentary. See you all again in a few days!
I really enjoy this format... I hope your guys repeat it!
Thanks for posting this! I’m watching this in July 2020, and your closing absolutely cracked me up. Little did you know Corona was around the corner. I cant wait for when we’re able to safely get back to these events.
When I saw this video pop up as recommended I thought, "That must be impossible to follow!", but this was such a treat to watch! The commentary was funny and insightful and the whole video was educational too as a beginner player (maybe 5 games total). Well done on the whole production! Also nice to see the players play the game in a good spirit.
Are there other videos with actual commentary over games rather than just a live stream of a game? This is awesome and I'd love to see more.
Our Patreon torunament series all had commentary, but is also a live stream.
The edited down commentary format is incredibly time consuming to do well, but we are working to be able to put out more content like this!
Hey from te future, just want to point that Saar didn't ate the sticker, 1:40 ish you can see him taking it off. Great commented game! New on TI4 but I now understand the rules to find this amazing
Great stuff, really interesting. Thanks SCPT, Blarknob and the players.
the final round was such a letdown. The Hacan player just delivered it in the hands of the Naalu. Letnev player was such a fair player, bc he knew Naalu would win the game and still honored whatever deal he had with him and did not alert the other players. THAT was nice to see.
Red player didn't hand a single person a single thing the entire game. Just throws stuff around the table like an animal.
I hope this community will grow, and hopefully become something very interesting indeed. Looking forward to the top down cameras.
Ixthian artifact coming out on Saar is craaazzy… and then the L1 sabotage on Saar’s veto is sweet retribution, Saar deserved that getting sabotaged for attacking L1 early tbh 😂
Edit: Ixthian artifact DOES destroy all units in the mecatol Rex system, not just ships. The announcers did a fantastic job, but missed this one little thing and I just thought I’d clarify
Played my first game as the Ghosts this Sunday, I can’t wait for my next game!
Great game a commentary. A lot of interesting plays with a nice nail bitting finish.
What a momentous day! Congratulations getting it out, I can’t wait to check it out :)
Hacan this game were not cats but carebears, carried Naalu to victory
Amazing to see you guys go from a small podcast to this! Amazing!
Thanks for posting this guys!
Do we ever find out what happened to the apple sticker?! I mean concrete evidence? No speculating?!!?
been enjoying the podcast, awesome footage commentary :)
Buying this tomorrow. Can't wait
Oh wow, cutting the it'll be up before the next Gen Con deadline close. Well done will watch at some point.
I've been to Gencon 3 times. Most recently with my son. We had a blast but there was a lot of walking. We were exhausted by the end by all of the walking. We decided that next time we won't schedule for nearly as long. But Gencon is a great experience that everyone should try at least once or twice in their life. Just be prepared and stay hydrated
This is the finals...get a table shaped Luke a hexagon. Also, great game to learn, and if you want something almost as good bug way quicker to play they Eclipse.
I wish I knew enough people to play a game of this
Get Tabletop Simulator on steam, and join the TI4 discord, theres games going on all day everyday
Thx I will look into it
1:39:03 6th sense is clearly "apple sticker awareness"!
Interestingly to me, nobody picked Jol-Nar, we’re they banned or just not chosen by a table of players wanting to be aggresive.
My guess would be that in an ultra competitive environment they would just end up with a target on their backs and get taken out right away.
Legend has it this game is still going...
Thanks for this commentary and footage--really interesting to see. Any chance of including postgame interviews with the players to discuss their plans in the final rounds?
How long was the game? I see small cuts here and there but not many. I always hear this game will last 4-10 hours and these guys make it happen in 2.5?! I guess that's what happens when you're good
It was roughly 4 hours (which is still pretty short)
Who isn't looking at other players score like that I'm stunned this is a finals, in casual play with mates we're always looking to stop the winner right at the end, could turn into a 30 minute planning turn looking at every single possible action. They literally say they rule the minister of peace opposite of how they actually rule it when Hacan goes to attack Letnev last turn.
Dang! I don't think I've ever been in a game where Leadership doesn't get taken until the 4th pick that early in the game. Some really odd strategy picks in this game.
Right?! Leadership and Politics are picks 1 and 2 in every game I play, and none of us ever give speaker to anyone but ourselves!
How do they go about picking? Sorry new to the game and still use preset boards 😅
Really cool thanks
Just noticed the Firefly game a tabele ahead... that would be interesting to watch
It's like I'm watching a Western Version of Chinese Mahjong.
The only problem with TI is you play all day and build up for the end game. Then blue is like, oh here is 16 resource s let go home.
Is there a reason that, during the last round, Letnev wasn't telling everyone "Naalu is going to activate Imperial and win, and you must do something"?
My guess is Letnev realized they had the 2nd place trophy in that case and settled for that instead of playing to win. Makes sense for the tournament but personally I think it's shameful and shouldn't be rewarded with a trophy.
What are the measurements of this table?
Great commentary. Thank you!
Subbed
Cool video but need more near shoots of tecnologies and planets.
That apple sticker is *_DEEP_* in there
DJ Khalid playing TI4!
great vid, really enjoyed watching it and listening to the casters
i have a rules query;
~ 11min mark the purple player plays politics and takes the speaker token. ~11:48 red and purple enact a transaction and part of that was handing the speaker token over. in the living rules under 83.3 it states
83.3 Players can exchange commodities, trade goods and promissory notes, but cannot exchange other types of cards or tokens. The Emirates of Hacan can also exchange action cards with other players as part of transactions.
the commentators discuss the trade and go over it being a good move and it all sounds legal and above board, but im confused on what they did to allow that speaker token to move players???
I think it was a good faith trade. You can choose to make someone the speaker even if you're not "legally bound"
MrMaawaa so the politics strategy card only states that the player activating politics must choose a player other than the speaker to give the speaker token too. It is perfectly legal for him to nominate someone other than himself. And since hakan can trade with anyone he is totally allowed to say "I will give you trade goods or a card if you nominate me as speaker".
The trade would have been illegal if they had waited and done it on someone else's turn because at that point the Nalu player would no longer be nominating the speaker. So in practice they weren't trading the speaker token they were trading the right to be nominated. It is the same concept as trading something so someone will vote for you during the agenda phase.
@@zga042 yeah fair shout. i thought it was two separate actions, but it was the one politics action and he bribed him to become speaker. makes sense now!!
I know it's probably impossible, but having a better way to film a board game would be good. Got no idea what's going on!
Great work on the editing and commentary.
How Saar in 33:00 can build army on this system? He activate system->move with ships->win fight. Then he must activate system again for creating army or not? :O
The tactical action has several phases beginning with activation, then movement, then space combat, then invasion, then ground combat, then lastly production. Because Saar's space dock moves, they can do all these things (including move with a fleet) in a single action. It's why Saar can have a massive fleet that grows as it moves. Hence the "Saar ball"
@@ronaldsanfran Thanks.
1:10:10 Saar is not allowed to land those infantery, because they were retreating before, so there had been no invasion step there and they were obligated to take them with them.
1:45:10 "Ixthian Artifact - The speaker rolls a die. 1-5: Destroy all units on Mecatol Rex & 3 units in each system adjacent to Mecatol Rex. 6-10: Each player researches 2 technologies."
How is green moving the space dock? I'm still very new to the game.
Their faction has a special space dock that follows your ships around. Faction is Clan of Saar
Played my first game a few days ago as The Federation of Sol and barely won!!! Came down to the wire for victory points for everyone and the other players ganged up on me to try and stop the victory. But my forces just barely held the line!!!
Very good coverage of a terribly confusing game
I've been playing this game so wrong it's actually crazy XD
that first agenda phase was BRUTAL
OMG, that veto @1:43:46 was one I did not see coming. Hilarious.
I didn't understand how that happened!
I haven't played this before, but I just bought it, so I'm watching this to learn strategy and to look up rules that I don't understand.
One question--at about 1:10:00ish, yellow attacks green a second time, kind of following his retreat from the previous combat. But the system that yellow moves from is a system that he has previously activated, and still has his token in it. My understanding is that you can't move from an activated system (therefore, he would be unable to follow and initiate that combat). What am I missing or misunderstanding?
Yellow had Warfare and played it on that system, so they got to remove the token.
Thanks for the response! I just unboxed my copy yesterday, and learned that the tokens are based on faction, rather than player color (right?), which had been part of my misunderstanding.
Anyway, I see why warfare is called warfare now!
You start with action cards?
Wow. Nice summary board!
Is not communicating that someone is winning part of the rules, or just tournament rules? Because the winnerbashing we have in our games is kinda crazy
People actually have more then 5 senses although I don't think they have a standard numbering. Proprioception is basically where all your limbs are which is why you can find a light switch in the dark or type without looking. your sense of balence (which direction down is basically but technically it's sensing acceleration). Normally you don't notice it but it's what's thrown off after getting off after spinning quickly. Pain is a separate sense to touch. So are cold and I think hot has one or two sets of sensory nerves. Which is why you feel the warmth or a campfire or the sun. This also means blind people can tell when they are in sunlight or another source of infrared light. One really weird one is if you press on your belly button you get a different touch sense (the internal one) since there's no normal touch receptors there. I can't think of any others but I'm sure there are more. Basically we process a lot of information without thinking about it.
The only problem with TI is you play all day and build up for the end game. Then blue is like, oh here is 16 resources lets go home.
The last round is painful to watch
I got the answer. It is a whole section in the rule book.
Anyone know where I can get a galaxy mat like what they are using?
idea for future footage: get clips of their action cards, like poker on tv
imperium
I'm noob in this game so how did nalu get to mecatol en the second turn? haven't he just move that fleet in a little lost
Warfare strategem
Curious they are allowed to look at their tiles when building the map. 3rd ed explicitly states you are allowed, 4th ed does not.
Does anyone know the dimensions to the tables they used?
Don seems like they joined two tables together 1m in width and 3m in length (2m x 3m in total).
1:21:48 can black get trade goods for promisary note, when hes not next to red player?
I have question Saar claim public VP in 1:39:00 he doesn't have home system. Can someone explqin this?
Edit sorry i forgot second skill
That is a nice looking play mat, where do I get that?
I think inked playmats does one
Pretty sure it's not in stock anymore (I also want one!)
The worst thing you can do is make this game a competitive game. This game must be played like an RPG session. It's a space opera make in a board.
Is it just me or does the purple dude look like miles luna?
Great video but the map building! And player that dont understand to place first in the second ring. Why?
The official mat with all those spaces between hexes is just terrible....
How is the Speaker just giving the token to another player? I thought the Speaker token can't be used in a transaction. I couldn't tell if they are they using 'Politics'??
They are only "selling" the speaker during the activation of Politics. So it's merely selling the assigning of the speaker token
Do they draft races and if so how?
The speaker went first then the rest of them rolled dice to determine the order in which they pick.
5:25
Is the guy at the end of the table FFG staff?
He is not FFG staff, but he is the organizer of the tournament, "blarknob"
Surprised no one is playing Jol-Nar.
I wonder if the tournament rules banned Jolnar?
@@TheCharlesFr No, this was played rules as written. I guess no one wanted a huge target on their back from the very start.
@@MrTandtrollet So the more powerful factions are balanced by more meta game targeting? I wonder if that was what happened in this game with Sol.
@@TheCharlesFr At this "level of play" I would assume as much. It's a while since I saw this video. but I think Saar got targeted pretty hard since it is probably the best faction at scoring points and is incredibly hard to stop once it starts rushing for points.
You can sell the speaker token?
When you assign someone as the speaker during the use of Politics, people can pay you to have them chosen. This is referred to as "selling the Speaker Token." But it's not quite the same as a normal transaction
@@SpaceCatsPeaceTurtlesPodcast oh duh. Lol I clearly haven't play this game in a long while. I really need someone to make it a video game so I can at least play here n there against bots. Im already forgetting the rules to ym favourite game. Thanks for the speedy reply! Also, I couldnt find anything on you guys talking ti expansion, is there an episode?
@@braydenb1581 Our podcast doesn't get uploaded to RUclips anymore. We'd like to get the backlog on RUclips, but basically the auto-uploaded stopped working. You can find the podcast on basically any podcast app though. We've done a PoK reveal every episode since announcement, and basically 3 full episodes about the expansion
@@SpaceCatsPeaceTurtlesPodcast shut up. lol Stupid me for not checking your site. thanks!!
This vintage point makes it really hard to folow ... oh well.
ah why don't they bid for starting positions?
Hi!
there are just so many dudes in that room