One minor detail is Sylvie says in season 1 she never sits with her back to a door but when she's listening to the record in this episode, she's sitting on the couch facing away from the front door. It shows how comfortable she was in her new timeline.
I really loved Casey's reveal as frank morris a real life criminal who got away from alcatraz because it felt like a nice addition to the fact that loki was DB cooper.
Apparently Frank Morris was extremely smart. He “ranked in the top 2% of the general population in intelligence, as measured by IQ testing.” (Says Wikipedia.) A neat crossover character trait attributed to Casey as well. 🧠 💡
There was 1 easter egg you missed. When convincing Mobius to go with him, Loki gives Mobius the Doctor Who speech he gives every new companion "I can bring you back to any point in time, it'll be like you never left" and true to Doctor Who, Loki is unable to keep that promise.
That’s what also Kang said to Janet in the beginning of « Quantumania ». This reference alone shows that Loki has become the god of stories, but most importantly of space and time. (+ a new ruler of TVA)
The visuals on that spaghetti fying record store were STUNNING. And Tom Hiddleston's acting skills are amazing. The twisty, intricate writing, the unique set designs, the great acting- Loki is just a really, really engaging show.
It was right after Sylvia, the last of his friends got sphettified and Tom starts grabbing at the last noodles of his friends slip out his fingers lost forever in time I realized just how brilliant he really is and that Marvel messed up by not making this a movie.
Whenever Loki was asked about why he was even caring so much about the tva and fixing everything and landed at the fact that he just wanted his friends, I damn near cried, such a great arc for him to be having, its going to be sad if he loses it bc he has to act evil to keep time stable or something along those lines l, hopefully not
There's rarely a few things that make me cry in the MCU, and Loki, after delivering his realization, that look of emotional pain and the expression on his face of knowing that he's trying to do the right thing, and more importantly, at least on a theoretical level, the most heroic thing he's ever attempted, that look that expresses selflessness while expressing his slowly declining self-confidence really brought a tear to my eye, so much that I just wanted to give him a hug and say "Everything will be okay," but the thing is that this is Loki at his absolute lowest (as all heroes do right before their road to redemption begins), and it's not just the TVA issues that is primarily driving Loki, it's the fact that he's seen everything that has happened to him and his standard timeline variant (killed by Thanos, Frigga's death, etc) and it's been a slow burn since season 1 to the eventual realization that good and evil can be a choice, and he wants to do this one thing right even if it might mean his erasure from existence entirely, that if he got his friends back and prepared them and the rest of timelines for the coming war against Kang, that if he perished this time, it would be worth it, it would be a noble death, and it would be its own reward, and that would finally redeem Loki to the point where he'd be welcomed into Valhalla with open arms and Thor would finally see his brother, despite them being different peoples, as his equal.
Loki didnt need their temporal auras to control his time slipping ,but the realization of how much they all mean to him classic heros journey learning what he Needs verses what he thought he wanted.
@@heatherfeather7199 more like the power of friendship xD coincidentally, tara strong who voiced miss minutes used to voice someone from my little pony which is about the power of friendship xD
So basically you made no revelations, parroting the plot. He literally said It is not the WHY. But in fact it is the WHO. It is not because he misses his friends, but because he wants to visit a specific point in time with a specific PERSON in that time. SO you are incorrect.
I don't think you mentioned it, but I find it interesting that OB said time slipping was like using the temp-pad but better. And now Loki can time slip with out having Ms. Minutes observing him. Might be a big thing or not, but I found it interesting.
Timeslipping is literally better than a timepad just because of a fact you can't time travel with a timepad inside the TVA but with time slipping you can.
I still think he's a liar. He wants to befriend everyone and then betray them. As soon as he saw how Thanos killed him and that reel end, he grew deep hate for how his story was written. The next few episodes we can see his goal being clear to made friends with the TVA people. A huge other reason I think he's lying is because when Sylvie tells him that Mobious really cares about him, he looks away and changes the subject. Then he makes sure to hug Mobious and tell him he's his friend in the void. Now in this episode he starts off by lying about his why and idt he ever stopped lol.
@finaothak5140 I was talking about the next few episodes in season 1 after Loki sees how his story has been written. You can see his objective is to make friends with Mobious all last season.
It's absolutely outstanding! That first trilogy of Disney+ shows were pretty damn perfect in establishing 3 different universes with all the visual details to go with them.
The record store scene in this is one of my favorite scenes in recent memory honestly. Visuals were amazing and the sound was incredible on a good Atmos sound system, it really moves all around you and just helped to make the scene an incredible experience, literally gave me goosebumps. I'm loving this show, definitely one of the bright spots of the post endgame MCU to me.
I really think Morbius’s wife was definitely snapped away. That’s why his boys kept calling him to make sure he still existed. Like a trauma response. That’s why he’s so nonchalant about calling them back.
I like that theory!! I want to add that I think Mobius never actually got to jet ski at all. He only ever describes it to people. His passion for water craft is just his passion for work, same as TVA. The job itself doesn’t matter to him, he is all in on whatever job he thinks he is supposed to do. My first thought was he ignores the calls because he is ABC minded. Just trying to close a deal… he just love doing his job
@@422mb Why? He doesn't talk about her or long for his wife and he have be there for his boys not his wife. Think about this a You tuber says that TVA employees are send back to their timelines. They are Variants so their original selves are still living their lives.
@@CoryHaskill-wc9cn Mobius (Don) has his own personal jet ski in his garage. So he must've been using it in the past. He even has two - one for himself and one for his wife, obviously they've been riding them together. Note that he only wants to sell Loki one of those jet skis, because his wife is no longer there to ride it. So he then can use the money to pay the bills, to care for his boys. But he intends to keep the other jet ski, so he must be planning to go ride it again in the future.
"Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Dr. Loki Laufeyson stepped into the quantum leap accelerator and vanished. He awoke to find himself trapped in the past, facing mirror images that were not his own, and driven by an unknown force to change history for the better. His only guide on this journey is Sylvie, an variant from his own life, who appears in the form of an enchantment that only Loki can see and hear. And so, Dr. Laufeyson finds himself leaping from life to life, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home."
I think the "See you soon" from He Who Remians in S1 was a hint that Loki is going to time slip back to that moment to prevent Sylvie from killing him to begin with. The whole thing will be a loop where He Who Remains can't lose no matter what choice they make
Also another grandfather paradox moment, Mobius said it in episode 1, but was clueless to the phrase when Loki said it, so just like the TVA manual, Loki implanted that thought which also survived the mind wiping.
@@blackextention06 im sure other people picked up on it but didn't see anyone say it explicitly if victor timely is hwr loki and sylvie fighting in the ferris wheel tells victor exactly what he's going to be, how he's going to die and what needs to happen to lead up to that point, plus what renslayer was telling him, but i think lokis and sylvies fight will stick with him more
Two things about Mobius. First, I think the big character trait carried over from his memory wipe is being a workaholic. He seemed to enjoy his work life more than his home life and even kept selling to Loki when he showed up at his home. Second, I think his sons are a reflection of Loki and Thor. One son burning action figures and running away. The other, being told to chase after him and being promised a puppy in return.
I rather got the impression that Mobius (Don) simply needed money to pay the bills, and that's why he offered to sell Loki a jet ski when he came to his house. That wasn't the jet ski he's selling in the shop but his own personal jet ski, that he's been using himself. Or it could also be that he wanted to get rid to the jet ski that used to belong to his wife. Who is obviously either dead or disappeared during the Snap. He wants to move on and stop mourning her, so selling her jet ski would be a good way to do that while also earnings some money, which he needs to pay his family's bills, being a single dad.
Something people never factor in when it comes to these predictions is the clips they chose to include in the recap at the start of the episode. They made a specific choice to include the clip of He Who Remains saying everything they did he paved the road. They're definitely still on HWR plan imo
@@jackwatson4231I think not. Remember the first, first most important thing he kinda just sloshed off was," you can't get to the end without journey .... It's about the right mindset..... You (Silvie) think you can trust anyone?. THEN THEY CAREFULLY SAID THIS that he was looking for one but turns out this came in two. Remember when tva found them on the dying planet. They can't be found within catastrophe. How the hell did they!? A signal appeared and it just worked out ? Miss minutes opened the portal at the moment after they connected, ("very touching thank you". --hwr) so this moment where Loki controls his slips, avoids the deletion of himself, realizes what's important, manages to gain Selvie to join his MINDSET, gets the team set to straighten the correct timeline WITH SELVIE FINALLY AGREE. Now everything continues.
Did you notice that Don's kids were kinda like Loki and Thor? Kevin the "mischievous scamp and Shawn a lover of snakes? I also think the reason Sylvie can remember Loki is that she never had her mind wiped. Love your channel BTW
The last thing he said " i can rewrite the story". So i truly think theyre setting it up for loki to become loki god of stories which is going to be absolutely dope can't wait to see what happens.
to understand why Sylvie was affected by the spaghetti factory, u gottal rewatch the scene - as she arrives, she mentions that other timelines are being destroyed. Then, just before she gets spaghetti’d, she says “there’s nowhere else to go.“, Meaning she’s already been to the other timelines and they’re all gone. This is the last one left.
The shot when Loki time slips back and realizes how he’s doing it is framed where the tubes on the ceiling converge and form a crown on him. The whole thing looks like the time lines in the loom. And Loki is wearing it like a crown. The previous shot from that location was angled differently
I just love how this show takes itself seriously, giving some of the greatest moments since the last Avengers. Plus it's a great time travel story. Just amazing content.
As opposed to She Hulk (which I enjoyed) by didn’t TRY to take itself seriously… Though, that was disclaimer when the show was announced and said to be a “Legal Comedy” but we as fan expected more… I think it was us that set the bar high…
One of my favorite moments of the entire series is when Loki tells OB to turn to science. Like most people he looks at big complicated formulas on blackboards, the technology and the engineering while OB actually does science (testing every variable). It is a clever nod to the fact that most people who use the word science don't really ever stop to think what it actually is and leads to the theme of the episode of being able to recognize what is rather than simply what you assume. Here they use the word fiction, but I think the better term would be myth because while all fiction is... well fiction, it never happened, there are true mythical arcs in history. All in all I loved this episode, just hope Marvel can get their act together and build upon its foundation... but recent rumors seem to suggest otherwise.
I was in awe when Loki finally controlled the time slipping these visuals were insane talk about an ego death like experience just imagine it happening to you WOW
I loved how Casey had so many items in his desk in season 1 and how he was about to steal the tempad in this episode makes me feel like Casey took that sticky fingers from Frank
Last week, when magic was enabled in the TVA, I thought the infinity stones would play a part, but then they destroyed the TVA. As the TVA has been restored, I think the infinity stones will play a big part in the finally. Also, they showed as 3 stones in the end credits photos
The similarities of OB's office in his old timeline and his lab in the TVA may be because the TVA could've been built around OB's old office, suggesting that it could've been ground zero for the creation of TVA. And that this group created it. Maybe.😅
"It's not about where, when or why: it's about who." That's really visceral. And, it supersedes science and fiction. It truly fits if Loki's greatest fear is being alone. I also want to mention that with with each episode, since S1E1, I absolutely love B-15 more and more. This was really 1 of my favorite episodes from both seasons as we really got to see the "heroes" as they are as, well, people.
There’s an Easter Egg of sorts that was a blink and miss in the opening title card, with the letters of “LOKI” flashing. They disappear one by one, unique to this intro, and the last two to disappear are the “I” and the “O” which are binary for on and off respectively, with “O” being the last thing you see before the screen goes dark, as if the power is being turned off.
The part where Sylvie is almost hit by the universe being destroyed reminded me of when Bojack Horseman is being sucked into the ink in the penultimate chapter of his series. I have to say I love Loki, I hope they don't change Kang and bring back Victor Timely.
Loki getting a new ability is wild he could be a huge part of Secret Wars to save the Universe. I think that Loki and Silvie will replace He Who Remains this time as He Who Remains hinted to. That he rule or they rule and replace him but someone must do it.
Regarding sylvie i figured she escape the TVA before it was destroyed like she did in the record store before everything disappeared. And that's why unlike everybody else she still remembers everything.
That's what I figured she would do. That's why she's on her PREFERRED timeline, not her actual place on the timeline, which (I assume) would be back in her version of Asgard.
I think that's because she isn't a human but one of Loki variants, so she is a God herself. Also one of her powers is a mind power, what allows her to control other people's minds. But what I'm wondering why she wasn't immune to spaghettification at the end?
This show is so necessary. The MCU needs to look at the caliber and quality of the writing here and use it as the benchmark for all of their storytelling going forward especially with The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars on the horizon
@@SteelNight7I think there was only one outcome to defeat Thanos at the point when Doctor Strange used the time stone, so timelines branched before then could have different possible outcomes, but Doctor Strange was only looking at potential outcomes from their timeline. There also could have been other outcomes that didn't involve a snap, but were way less desirable in the long run
@@SteelNight7 Did you watch Dr. Strange: MoM? Because the earth-838 defeated Thanos too. And in What If, it's briefly mentioned that Gamora defeated him and took the infinity stones. Not sure where you're getting your info from
To quote Peter Parker: "God, I hate time travel." Not because this series does it badly! Not at all! It's that it does it so well that it seems so confusing and inspired at the same time. It actively makes me think about what the story could mean, what is happening, if various actions create a paradox, if this really is chaos or order, a line or a loop. It is thought provoking, which is far better than some of the more bland sludge Marvel has cranked out in recent years.
I wasn’t a big Hiddleston/Loki fan but wanted to stay current on MCU but S2 of Loki has really turned me around. This is by far my favorite season of MCU expansions
There are several hints in this episode that act as loose but convincing evidence that Loki is the progenitor of the TVA and its headliners that we've seen throughout both seasons. Two things stood out to me: when Loki said "a union of form and function" to 'normal life' Mobius, he passed it off as a neat sales slogan, as if he had never heard the turn of phrase before. It wasn't one of those "that's just what I was thinking/gonna say" cliché time travel moments. We know that this later becomes a beloved Mobius catchphrase - or rather, earlier - in the order of episodes released, but layer in the show's world timeline. Maybe Loki planted that in Mobius' mind. The other instance is a glaring one and it's the fact that Ouroboros' base of operations in the 'real world' is the exact same layout and architecture as his workshop in the TVA. As we know that Ouroboros and his TVA workshop play a critical role in the history of the TVA and in the erased memories of the members (having met Mobius before, but when exactly, we do not know), I feel that the TVA was somehow first *'conceived'* in episode 5 when Loki was seemingly trying to bring the TVA *back*. Added with the fact Loki can timeslip at will by the end of the episode, it seems like he's discovering his own place and ability in the timeline, inside *and* outside the TVA. Either Loki made the TVA or the team of characters collectively made it. A case of 'self fulfilling prophecy'.
It makes sense if Loki, not He Who Remains, was the one to recruit Mobius, OB and the others. If He Who Remains were doing the recruiting, surely he would choose people who had some experience in working similar jobs to what would be expected of them in the TVA. Police officers, FBI agents, soldiers, real judges... Not a jet ski salesman or an unsuccessful author. He Who Remains would never choose someone like Mobius and the others, as he would be picking people for their expertise. Whereas Loki picked them because they were his friends.
I also noticed that OB's name in his timeline is A.D., another way that time was/is measured (BC vs AD), especially in terms of epochs or the like. Love SCREENCRUSH!!!
I think they get early access to episodes. There’s times where they have the video up like an hour after episodes come out. It’s why it was surprising that they hadn’t uploaded this breakdown
@@danny9732 that’s only when Disney send them a couple episodes. But they don’t do that with every RUclipsr. It’s only a hand full and it’s not always.
Some DJ trivia that furthers the vinyl record analogy: 1. the side of a record is physically one continuous groove…aka one timeline 2. some records made specifically for highly advanced DJ performance (aka turntablism) will contain a groove thats cut to loop back on itself, not run out at the end…’like snake eating it’s tail’ 3. the most popular dj softwares use vinyl records containing an analog timecode that the dj’s computer converts to a digital signal to control music files. this allows a DJ to have the power to seamless move anywhere in the timeline but also loop and manipulate the audio…sort of like a TemPad. Plus with a large enough hard drive, the DJ has huge amounts of the history of recorded music at their fingertips…which is kinda like time-travel.
The "Gut you like a fish" line has another layer to it, in Star Wars The Clone Wars, Ahsoka says "Tell us what we want to know right now, or I will gut you like a Rokarian dirt-fish!" Michael Waldron wrote that line into the Loki pilot episode because he really likes Star Wars.
Glad you mentioned the tie to The Matrix. I am not sure if it was mentioned before but the hallway scene with the old phone ringing at the end before Loki prunes himself is a direct lift from the end scene of The Matrix.
One thought that came to me is.. how many different Loki’s were variants. It seems to me he who remains went out of his way to prune as many Loki variants as he could.. cuz he knew a Loki would defeat him??
I think it's because Loki is an agent of chaos. So it's just more likely that a Loki will end up creating a nexus event. I see it that "free will" is a continuum. I'm sure there are a few dogs or less sentient beings that caused branched timelines and had to be pruned, plenty of humans obviously, and then a TON of Lokis. I think all Lokis are just really unpredictable beings, in a "the multiverse is just a manifestation of probabilistic events" theoretical physics kinda way. Lokis are agents of chaos because of how literally random they are. They have the most free will, like actually. It's probably why they are all so different too. Not just in appearance, but in character and personality.
Sylvie is also sporting an Egyptian Ankh earring! Which Symbolizes “eternal life” not only pointing to her status as a god, but also during a scene in which she remembers Loki, retaining her memories from other timelines where the others have forgotten.
I’m wondering why it hasn’t been mentioned yet that she has a tempad, I thought that was why she retained her memory. As it’s the he who remains tempad 🤷♀️👀
Maybe I got distracted, but I don't think I heard you mention the connection to America Sanchez wherein it's pointed out that Loki is subconsciously controlling his time jumps because they take him to when and where he needs to go. Dr. Strange points out to America that she's subconsciously controlling her multiverse jumps with the same results. I would not be surprised if that's not a coincidence.
thanks for mentioning the easter egg i found from twitter Ryan. it also tugged at my heart strings to see that hen sylvie saw the TVA being destroyed her reaction was to go back to her hideaway TL and at the end the little girl who was on the run for hundered of years had nowhere to run and tile eventually caught up to her.
I think Loki should travel to a timeline where Rhodey is played by Terrence Howard, revealing that we haven't seen that branch since the very first Iron Man, and everything since then has been in a different dimension of the multiverse. 🤯
The scene where the record store clerk leaps through the air yelling Sylvie brought me to tears but affirmed my love of humanities ability to love and care even in a moment of impending doom or death.
Theory: Loki and Sylvie create a “new”/The TVA. Since they killed HWR, he is no longer in charge of the story, but instead it’s the Council of Kangs. Loki and Sylvie’s TVA is one of free will and choice, but allowing those variant timelines also allows Kangs to rise up, and enables the Multiversal War. The Avengers from all of the timelines assemble in a single remaining timeline or even a new timeline for Secret Wars. Loki collects them similar to how he collected his TVA pala
Man I love this TV series! The series is essentially about 'What Ifs' and 'Do-overs'. The character development is just wonderful and the joy of TV series is there's the time to play with this stuff vs a film where you only have 2 hours. Loki gets so much more development and focus in this series than what was developed over the span of 10 years of original MCU. The journey that Loki has gone through from his original belief that because he is a god, he can do what he wants for personal gain to now eventually realizing that there is a higher power that has chartered his life and determined his purpose. He is the catalyst of disruption and change. Change is painful but you need it to grow and evolve. He Who Remains knew that at some point of time, he would die and the TVA would die. Thus the fail safe that in the event that were to happen, all the staff would just roll back to their original branched timelines with their memories wiped. In a way, at least He Who Remains didn't let them get killed and thus the 'thank you for your service'. The TVA functions like a government ministry and a kind of 'Public Service'. The episode shows us the original lives and character qualities of OB, Mobius, B15 and Casey. But as much as we thought that Loki was going to get the band back together ala Nick Fury and the Avengers, Sylvie's comment that in doing so, that just makes Loki selfish for forcing these people out of their normal lives just to save the TVA because he wanted to. The difference with grabbing Victor Timely from his timeline was because that was his destiny to make the TVA, but for all these other people, the TVA wasn't their destiny. He Who Remains extracted them and made them work for the TVA originally without their choice. Loki pondered this and that Sylvie was probably right that if he did this, he wasn't giving them a choice and thus regretted and wanted to send them back. Which shows how much he's grown as a person. He's moved away from his original megalomaniac fascist origins to someone with empathy and reason. Sylvie on the other hand firmly believed in free will and chose to be blissfully ignorant of everything else around her as long as her ideal life is preserved, but she learns eventually that the chaos she caused because of her selfish act of revenge has caused wide spread ramifications to her own world. Utter complete chaos only produces utter destruction and though she ports away and realizes his mistake, even she wasn't spared being spaghettified. Which means that the chaos she caused would only bring about her own destruction. The funny thing though is that Loki is the chosen constant, not even Sylvie even though she's also a Loki variant. Loki is immune to this kind of time radiation, which means he cannot die by spaghettification. But instead, he is time slipping against his control. But yeah the funny thing is Loki's subconscious thoughts about his friends and situation is allowing him to show up in places and points in time that have meaning and purpose. At first he thought he could control the 'why' about the situation and its meaning, but later he realizes he can control the time slipping anchoring the thoughts on the 'who', the people and the characters. Empathy, is about tapping into someone elses feelings and thoughts, and Loki now understands that now that he understands empathy, he can control time slipping at will. This was a guy who didn't comprehend empathy in the beginning and now totally understands it. Which makes Loki a true powerhouse because he literally is one of the most powerful entities in the MCU, and without the use of any item of power! Sylvie had He Who Remains master Tempad and even she wasn't spared being spaghettified. Loki has literally become the new He Who Remains but even better because he can manipulate events at will, but would it be for the better?
Bloody brilliant. your episode breakdown, the episode itself, the acting, the special effects, the subtext, the production design...such a wonderful TV show ! Thanks for unraveling its marvels to us !
About their original timelines; they're all branched! For example, B-15 may not have experience invasion or even Loki. Mobius wife may not have been snapped because Thanos may not have existed or occurred on their branched timelines
In previous episode Obi says he was inspired by Victor timely but here he is actually inspired by Loki or it's just bootstrap paradox. And he who remains used this and made Obi a good servent to TVA and himself after erasing half his memory by replacing loki with Victor.
This was the best episode of any mcu show yet. The timelines dying was so scary/gorgeous, forcing loki to learn his time slip ability (which I'm not sure how i feel after endgame very clearly stated it doesn't work that way)
Starting to wonder if they might do a fakeout and the He Who Remains we saw at the end of time who was sick of managing the timeline was actually Loki in disguise rather than Timely and was sick of running the TVA and wanted his younger self to take over, as he said he wins either way... either the Lokis take over directly from him or they kill him and end up right back there again.
I wonder if Sylvie didn't spaghettify in the McDonald's timeline because that's not her original timeline, but spaghettified at the end of the episode because that was her original branched timeline.
I thought it was funny how Loki would time slip to Möbius’ branched timeline at the motor lot where he moves exactly how the inflatable tube man in the background.
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24:01 thank you for mentioning this!!! This is the only part of the series in disliking so far, I feel like they are just flipping their own rules on it’s head, hopefully we get a good explanation why Loki is now able to timeslip his MIND now and rewrite events altogether! There’s no more branch there, he’s going back and changing the events that were ‘meant to happen’ because they’ve already happened… 🤪 goodness they better have a good explanation lol
I think Loki can re-write the history but just the history that involves his tva friends/variants. Just like Goku's insta-transmision following known ki signatures
At the beginning of the episode, after the blast , there was a scene where temporal loom was fully functioning (working fine or refurbished). So Loki might have gone to past where the loom exists also the sacred timeline or he might have went to future were he and his team successfully expanded the outer ring of that loom (as we saw loki time slipped and went back at episode end). What's your thought on that temporal loom.
Great take, Ryan. I have to say, this show runs deeper than any other Marvel property. For example, I was adopted as an infant, like Loki, and it's finally in the psychological record that this tends to create intense separation anxiety paradoxically combined with isolationist instincts. It's not fun. I feel like Loki's arc is a really on-point representation of the adoptee's dilemma. You can't process trauma that you can't access, so you continually act out your own worst scenario, ouroboros-style.
I really feel Loki broke the 4th wall in that moment when he realized “It’s about who.” Kinda spoke to me that Marvel is back to telling amazing stories for its fans ❤
Loved the episode! But here’s a thing: when Loki returns to the workshop after seeing Sylvie, he uses a time door, even though he has no tempad and the one OB has built is in the workshop and in shot when Loki steps through the time door. Is this just an honest mistake or was there a deleted scene where Sylvie opened a door for him? The latter would make sense as that could explain how Sylvie knows where to go when she needs to escape the record store a little later in the episode.
This show is the BEST kind of sci-fi - deeply philosophical, intricate, ,multilayered, with compelling, emotionally real characters. It makes you think, it draws you in, and it trusts that you will be able to follow, and, eventually, get it. Firkin brilliant.
The episode was amazing! I also really liked how Loki made himself look better before going to see Mobius. Also I find it interesting that the four were all on Altered Timelines, that none were on the Sacred Timeline. But yeah this was amazing.
Hearing everyone shotgun ideas, the one I like the best is the Avenger Prime aspect. Mostly because I can't see how Loki can downgrade himself from the power he has achieved.
@@NoraHannigan678Loki that destroyed his reality, tried to off himself, cursed with immortality, and given a job to protect the multiverse from the devil known as metphisto. He beat dr dooms, and many people with universe altering powers
Same here. I personally don't see how Loki could change his god status so easily without breaking the rules of being a god in the MCU. Because if the option of changing one's god status was always a thing then why didn't he try doing so earlier in his life in an effort to become more loved? And what about Thor in Thor: Ragnarok? If that option to become the god of something else existed why didn't he consider it? If they do end up going down that route they're going to have to provide a good explanation. Because otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.
@@ked49 is that different from god of stories ? i thought avenger prime meant more along picking the "prime" version of each avenger for secret wars, is it a comic run?
First Victor Spaghettified. Then Sylvies food, Loki’s shot glass, the universe she’s in, the temp pad, and then the universe the group is in once Sylvie arrives. I think the destruction is following Sylvie and somehow she has become a black hole swallowing everything she comes into contact with. It could be why Loki’s time skipping is correlated with “Who,” meaning Sylvie and why her record symbolized a black hole in that scene. It could be Loki removing himself from all space and time created two singularities which are depicted on He Who Remains window
Has anyone considered that OB could be a He Who Remains variant? The way they looked at each other when they met 😍, and even though he built that temporal aura reader, he may not have considered his aura would unlock the system.
I don't think so given he seemed happy to have visitors and collaborators both times he met Loki and Mobius "for the first time." Kang understands needing to have people around him but mainly to use as pawns rather than as actual teammates.
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26:02 Mobious says: “is this room safe? I wonder from the wormhole or the… Quantum…” then gets cut off by OB
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One minor detail is Sylvie says in season 1 she never sits with her back to a door but when she's listening to the record in this episode, she's sitting on the couch facing away from the front door. It shows how comfortable she was in her new timeline.
Or.. it could be that she wasn't as concerned about being hunted like she previously was .. or that's just the way the couch was facing ...
This episode made me realize that I actually really care about these characters and that I'm invested in all of them, not just Loki.
I really loved Casey's reveal as frank morris a real life criminal who got away from alcatraz because it felt like a nice addition to the fact that loki was DB cooper.
Can’t forgot. Frank morris got away. That’s what makes it cool & believable
He also memorized the TVA guidebook because he felt like a fish out of water and didn’t want to get gutted.
Apparently Frank Morris was extremely smart. He “ranked in the top 2% of the general population in intelligence, as measured by IQ testing.” (Says Wikipedia.) A neat crossover character trait attributed to Casey as well. 🧠 💡
Portrayed by Clint Eastwood in the cinema and served as the inspiration for prison break
I suspect Loki has not yet committed the D.B. Cooper heist. I feel like it's something that he will do in his subjective future.
There was 1 easter egg you missed. When convincing Mobius to go with him, Loki gives Mobius the Doctor Who speech he gives every new companion "I can bring you back to any point in time, it'll be like you never left" and true to Doctor Who, Loki is unable to keep that promise.
I noticed that as well!!
That’s what also Kang said to Janet in the beginning of « Quantumania ».
This reference alone shows that Loki has become the god of stories, but most importantly of space and time.
(+ a new ruler of TVA)
you guys are good
The visuals on that spaghetti fying record store were STUNNING. And Tom Hiddleston's acting skills are amazing. The twisty, intricate writing, the unique set designs, the great acting- Loki is just a really, really engaging show.
It was right after Sylvia, the last of his friends got sphettified and Tom starts grabbing at the last noodles of his friends slip out his fingers lost forever in time I realized just how brilliant he really is and that Marvel messed up by not making this a movie.
The Loki story line evolving much better than the comedy of Thor…
Oh man, such a sinking feeling when that happened... and the PERFECT soundtrack for it. So unsettling.
The acting was so gud this episode for sure
The Scene in the record store almost looks like Van Gogh's painting, Starry Night.
Whenever Loki was asked about why he was even caring so much about the tva and fixing everything and landed at the fact that he just wanted his friends, I damn near cried, such a great arc for him to be having, its going to be sad if he loses it bc he has to act evil to keep time stable or something along those lines l, hopefully not
There's rarely a few things that make me cry in the MCU, and Loki, after delivering his realization, that look of emotional pain and the expression on his face of knowing that he's trying to do the right thing, and more importantly, at least on a theoretical level, the most heroic thing he's ever attempted, that look that expresses selflessness while expressing his slowly declining self-confidence really brought a tear to my eye, so much that I just wanted to give him a hug and say "Everything will be okay," but the thing is that this is Loki at his absolute lowest (as all heroes do right before their road to redemption begins), and it's not just the TVA issues that is primarily driving Loki, it's the fact that he's seen everything that has happened to him and his standard timeline variant (killed by Thanos, Frigga's death, etc) and it's been a slow burn since season 1 to the eventual realization that good and evil can be a choice, and he wants to do this one thing right even if it might mean his erasure from existence entirely, that if he got his friends back and prepared them and the rest of timelines for the coming war against Kang, that if he perished this time, it would be worth it, it would be a noble death, and it would be its own reward, and that would finally redeem Loki to the point where he'd be welcomed into Valhalla with open arms and Thor would finally see his brother, despite them being different peoples, as his equal.
@@theremixonyoutube So, you are saying that Loki will most likely perish in the next episode? I need to stock up on tissues.
Why are we supposed to be so invested in the TVA triumphing? To hell with the TVA. Free will!
I loved that as well ❤ From the selfish and chaotic character he became so caring and understanding 😊 Great development 👏
@@theremixonyoutubelet's still hope he won't perish. And for season 3 as well 😊
Loki didnt need their temporal auras to control his time slipping ,but the realization of how much they all mean to him classic heros journey learning what he Needs verses what he thought he wanted.
So what you’re saying is that it all boils down to… the power of love?!
Jk😅
@@heatherfeather7199 more like the power of friendship xD
coincidentally, tara strong who voiced miss minutes used to voice someone from my little pony which is about the power of friendship xD
He is a GOD. He supposed to be able to teleport as one of his base power sets. It is almost as if the writers forgets he is an Asgardian on this show.
So basically you made no revelations, parroting the plot. He literally said It is not the WHY. But in fact it is the WHO. It is not because he misses his friends, but because he wants to visit a specific point in time with a specific PERSON in that time. SO you are incorrect.
@@saturncrush asgardians are like aliens in marvel
I don't think you mentioned it, but I find it interesting that OB said time slipping was like using the temp-pad but better. And now Loki can time slip with out having Ms. Minutes observing him. Might be a big thing or not, but I found it interesting.
Timeslipping is literally better than a timepad just because of a fact you can't time travel with a timepad inside the TVA but with time slipping you can.
Their tempads also stopped working because Miss Minutes was blocking them. She can't block Loki...
i feel like he who remains also has the ability to timeslip
@@jeffreygarty8214 He has (or rather had) an advanced tempad. He has never been able to move through time without the help of technology.
We finally got to see Mobius on a jet ski. Just not the way we expected.
🤣🤣🤣
That wasn't a jetski though 😅
I don’t know that was about what I thought they would do
Yet
personal watercraft
The fact that critics hated this and the last episode on Rotten Tomatoes proves RT means nothing. These episodes are amazing!
Critics are very much a bandwagon and the bandwagon is to trash anything MCU-related. Even the one MCU thing that is still good.
To be fair.. I think most critics aren't that attached to the MCU - so they might have a different take 🤷♂️
This season has been mid. Only cool thing is the spaghetti
oh a sock puppet account hates the latest thing? Guess we found one of the reviewers
rotten tomatoes are just that
The scene with Loki admitting why he’s doing all of this was just wonderfully acted by Hiddleston. Such a powerful scene.
I still think he's a liar. He wants to befriend everyone and then betray them. As soon as he saw how Thanos killed him and that reel end, he grew deep hate for how his story was written. The next few episodes we can see his goal being clear to made friends with the TVA people. A huge other reason I think he's lying is because when Sylvie tells him that Mobious really cares about him, he looks away and changes the subject. Then he makes sure to hug Mobious and tell him he's his friend in the void. Now in this episode he starts off by lying about his why and idt he ever stopped lol.
Interesting theory.. i would like to see that happen in the last episode. Probably, that is why, the trailer said from believe to lie.😮😮
@@jordankraemer6466clearly you don’t understand Loki
@@jordankraemer6466 the next few episodes lol bro theres one left
@finaothak5140 I was talking about the next few episodes in season 1 after Loki sees how his story has been written. You can see his objective is to make friends with Mobious all last season.
I don’t think many people pointed this out, but the cinematography is sooo extremely good these 2 seasons!
It's absolutely outstanding! That first trilogy of Disney+ shows were pretty damn perfect in establishing 3 different universes with all the visual details to go with them.
@@danielhenderson3753what’s the first trilogy????
@@Elflacito Wandavision, The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and then Loki season 1.
It gave huge Wes Anderson vibes!!
@@danielhenderson3753 thank you
The record store scene in this is one of my favorite scenes in recent memory honestly. Visuals were amazing and the sound was incredible on a good Atmos sound system, it really moves all around you and just helped to make the scene an incredible experience, literally gave me goosebumps. I'm loving this show, definitely one of the bright spots of the post endgame MCU to me.
I really think Morbius’s wife was definitely snapped away. That’s why his boys kept calling him to make sure he still existed. Like a trauma response. That’s why he’s so nonchalant about calling them back.
I think they are divorce!
@@sophiawilson8696 that’s interesting. Explain.
I like that theory!! I want to add that I think Mobius never actually got to jet ski at all. He only ever describes it to people. His passion for water craft is just his passion for work, same as TVA. The job itself doesn’t matter to him, he is all in on whatever job he thinks he is supposed to do.
My first thought was he ignores the calls because he is ABC minded. Just trying to close a deal… he just love doing his job
@@422mb Why? He doesn't talk about her or long for his wife and he have be there for his boys not his wife. Think about this a You tuber says that TVA employees are send back to their timelines. They are Variants so their original selves are still living their lives.
@@CoryHaskill-wc9cn Mobius (Don) has his own personal jet ski in his garage. So he must've been using it in the past. He even has two - one for himself and one for his wife, obviously they've been riding them together. Note that he only wants to sell Loki one of those jet skis, because his wife is no longer there to ride it. So he then can use the money to pay the bills, to care for his boys. But he intends to keep the other jet ski, so he must be planning to go ride it again in the future.
"Theorizing that one could time travel within his own lifetime, Dr. Loki Laufeyson stepped into the quantum leap accelerator and vanished. He awoke to find himself trapped in the past, facing mirror images that were not his own, and driven by an unknown force to change history for the better. His only guide on this journey is Sylvie, an variant from his own life, who appears in the form of an enchantment that only Loki can see and hear. And so, Dr. Laufeyson finds himself leaping from life to life, striving to put right what once went wrong, and hoping each time that his next leap will be the leap home."
I think the "See you soon" from He Who Remians in S1 was a hint that Loki is going to time slip back to that moment to prevent Sylvie from killing him to begin with. The whole thing will be a loop where He Who Remains can't lose no matter what choice they make
“A beautiful union of form and function” deeper meaning on how everyone will have a part to play in the finale episode.
Also another grandfather paradox moment, Mobius said it in episode 1, but was clueless to the phrase when Loki said it, so just like the TVA manual, Loki implanted that thought which also survived the mind wiping.
@@blackextention06 im sure other people picked up on it but didn't see anyone say it explicitly if victor timely is hwr loki and sylvie fighting in the ferris wheel tells victor exactly what he's going to be, how he's going to die and what needs to happen to lead up to that point, plus what renslayer was telling him, but i think lokis and sylvies fight will stick with him more
Two things about Mobius. First, I think the big character trait carried over from his memory wipe is being a workaholic. He seemed to enjoy his work life more than his home life and even kept selling to Loki when he showed up at his home. Second, I think his sons are a reflection of Loki and Thor. One son burning action figures and running away. The other, being told to chase after him and being promised a puppy in return.
Someone elsewhere noticed their bikes were red and green.
The boy who chased the other boy with the matches also said he liked snakes, just like Loki!
Nice catches!!!
@@alexk6110Isn't Thor the one who likes snakes? As he told Bruce in the Ragnarok movie.
I rather got the impression that Mobius (Don) simply needed money to pay the bills, and that's why he offered to sell Loki a jet ski when he came to his house. That wasn't the jet ski he's selling in the shop but his own personal jet ski, that he's been using himself.
Or it could also be that he wanted to get rid to the jet ski that used to belong to his wife. Who is obviously either dead or disappeared during the Snap. He wants to move on and stop mourning her, so selling her jet ski would be a good way to do that while also earnings some money, which he needs to pay his family's bills, being a single dad.
Something people never factor in when it comes to these predictions is the clips they chose to include in the recap at the start of the episode. They made a specific choice to include the clip of He Who Remains saying everything they did he paved the road. They're definitely still on HWR plan imo
For some reason I think Loki controlling the time slipping it the moment that breaks the cycle that HWR has put him on
💯 that made me excited when they showed that during the recap
I want this whole season to still be part of the script.
@@jackwatson4231I think not. Remember the first, first most important thing he kinda just sloshed off was," you can't get to the end without journey .... It's about the right mindset..... You (Silvie) think you can trust anyone?. THEN THEY CAREFULLY SAID THIS that he was looking for one but turns out this came in two.
Remember when tva found them on the dying planet. They can't be found within catastrophe. How the hell did they!? A signal appeared and it just worked out ? Miss minutes opened the portal at the moment after they connected, ("very touching thank you". --hwr)
so this moment where Loki controls his slips, avoids the deletion of himself, realizes what's important, manages to gain Selvie to join his MINDSET, gets the team set to straighten the correct timeline WITH SELVIE FINALLY AGREE. Now everything continues.
Did you notice that Don's kids were kinda like Loki and Thor? Kevin the "mischievous scamp and Shawn a lover of snakes? I also think the reason Sylvie can remember Loki is that she never had her mind wiped. Love your channel BTW
Or they're theoretically different variants who were never in the TVA.
The last thing he said " i can rewrite the story". So i truly think theyre setting it up for loki to become loki god of stories which is going to be absolutely dope can't wait to see what happens.
Just like how he rewrote the story depicted in the play in Thor Ragnarok maybe?
I like how B-15 was helping a girl who likes to climb trees. Trees-branches-branching timelines. I love the subtlety with that one.
Great catch!!
to understand why Sylvie was affected by the spaghetti factory, u gottal rewatch the scene - as she arrives, she mentions that other timelines are being destroyed. Then, just before she gets spaghetti’d, she says “there’s nowhere else to go.“, Meaning she’s already been to the other timelines and they’re all gone. This is the last one left.
The shot when Loki time slips back and realizes how he’s doing it is framed where the tubes on the ceiling converge and form a crown on him. The whole thing looks like the time lines in the loom. And Loki is wearing it like a crown.
The previous shot from that location was angled differently
I just love how this show takes itself seriously, giving some of the greatest moments since the last Avengers. Plus it's a great time travel story. Just amazing content.
As opposed to She Hulk (which I enjoyed) by didn’t TRY to take itself seriously… Though, that was disclaimer when the show was announced and said to be a “Legal Comedy” but we as fan expected more… I think it was us that set the bar high…
One of my favorite moments of the entire series is when Loki tells OB to turn to science. Like most people he looks at big complicated formulas on blackboards, the technology and the engineering while OB actually does science (testing every variable). It is a clever nod to the fact that most people who use the word science don't really ever stop to think what it actually is and leads to the theme of the episode of being able to recognize what is rather than simply what you assume. Here they use the word fiction, but I think the better term would be myth because while all fiction is... well fiction, it never happened, there are true mythical arcs in history. All in all I loved this episode, just hope Marvel can get their act together and build upon its foundation... but recent rumors seem to suggest otherwise.
Who else has been waiting on this video all day? ✋🏽
i finished the episode and then looked but there wasnt one and watch heavy spoilers just to be disappointed he just repeats the entire episode
I was in awe when Loki finally controlled the time slipping these visuals were insane talk about an ego death like experience just imagine it happening to you WOW
I hope with all my heart that Mobius actually rides a jetski and says "wow" in episode 6
in a sunset
I loved how Casey had so many items in his desk in season 1 and how he was about to steal the tempad in this episode makes me feel like Casey took that sticky fingers from Frank
Last week, when magic was enabled in the TVA, I thought the infinity stones would play a part, but then they destroyed the TVA.
As the TVA has been restored, I think the infinity stones will play a big part in the finally. Also, they showed as 3 stones in the end credits photos
Yea I did notice that
The similarities of OB's office in his old timeline and his lab in the TVA may be because the TVA could've been built around OB's old office, suggesting that it could've been ground zero for the creation of TVA. And that this group created it. Maybe.😅
The Loki vs Kang dynamic is going to be just as big as Thanos vs Tony Stark was if done correctly. So excited for what's to come
Loki is also a totally sympathetic necessary evil.
Id be pretty satisfied if they proceed with making Tom Hiddleston the next Robert Downey Jr.
It's gonna be a Loki vs the Loki behind He Who Remains at the end.
I think the reason Loki is immune from spaghetification is because he was released from time via the temporal aura extractor in Ep 1.
100%! Nice find
I was thinking this also
He is indeed more solid but not immune to the radiation/spaghetification
It was literally explained in dialogue..
@@SamLanena in Ep 5 you mean?
I need to hear the Joke that was clearly cut out after the bit where he said Lou Reed was on Heroin!
I like to think he was so shocked by that statement that he was rendered speechless
"It's not about where, when or why: it's about who." That's really visceral. And, it supersedes science and fiction. It truly fits if Loki's greatest fear is being alone. I also want to mention that with with each episode, since S1E1, I absolutely love B-15 more and more. This was really 1 of my favorite episodes from both seasons as we really got to see the "heroes" as they are as, well, people.
There’s an Easter Egg of sorts that was a blink and miss in the opening title card, with the letters of “LOKI” flashing. They disappear one by one, unique to this intro, and the last two to disappear are the “I” and the “O” which are binary for on and off respectively, with “O” being the last thing you see before the screen goes dark, as if the power is being turned off.
The thing that I'm the most curious about after this episode is ob saying loki was one of the characters from his book
The part where Sylvie is almost hit by the universe being destroyed reminded me of when Bojack Horseman is being sucked into the ink in the penultimate chapter of his series. I have to say I love Loki, I hope they don't change Kang and bring back Victor Timely.
I like how Lokis time slip looks like the wacky, wavy inflatable, flailing arm tube man
Penultimate episodes tend to be great while the finale tends to disappoint. I just hope this lands.
I love all the LOST / Desmond Hume parallels in Loki. Loki moving his mind through this body in time is also like Desmond in the episode the Constant
This season had so many heartfelt moments, I had goosebumps with most of the scenes. Great writing and cinematography.
Loki getting a new ability is wild he could be a huge part of Secret Wars to save the Universe. I think that Loki and Silvie will replace He Who Remains this time as He Who Remains hinted to. That he rule or they rule and replace him but someone must do it.
Regarding sylvie i figured she escape the TVA before it was destroyed like she did in the record store before everything disappeared. And that's why unlike everybody else she still remembers everything.
That's what I figured she would do. That's why she's on her PREFERRED timeline, not her actual place on the timeline, which (I assume) would be back in her version of Asgard.
I think that's because she isn't a human but one of Loki variants, so she is a God herself. Also one of her powers is a mind power, what allows her to control other people's minds. But what I'm wondering why she wasn't immune to spaghettification at the end?
I've been watching my subscriptions all day in the hopes of seeing this pop up, that episode was too incredible
This show is so necessary. The MCU needs to look at the caliber and quality of the writing here and use it as the benchmark for all of their storytelling going forward especially with The Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars on the horizon
Forgot about the last copy of O B’s book that the clerk kept in the bookstore and began reading with curiosity seemed relavent 🤔
I felt really strung out after watching that episode
Oh! First!
I also wondered if Don’s wife was snapped, but he is on a branched timeline, so I wondered if there ever was a snap too!
The sacred timeline is the only one where Thanos is defeated but he snaps on infinite timelines.
@@SteelNight7I think there was only one outcome to defeat Thanos at the point when Doctor Strange used the time stone, so timelines branched before then could have different possible outcomes, but Doctor Strange was only looking at potential outcomes from their timeline. There also could have been other outcomes that didn't involve a snap, but were way less desirable in the long run
@@SteelNight7 Did you watch Dr. Strange: MoM? Because the earth-838 defeated Thanos too. And in What If, it's briefly mentioned that Gamora defeated him and took the infinity stones. Not sure where you're getting your info from
@@MsCuteangel44 I think timeline and multiverse aren't necessarily the same thing. Another universes can exist within the same timeline.
They are divorce!
To quote Peter Parker: "God, I hate time travel."
Not because this series does it badly! Not at all! It's that it does it so well that it seems so confusing and inspired at the same time. It actively makes me think about what the story could mean, what is happening, if various actions create a paradox, if this really is chaos or order, a line or a loop. It is thought provoking, which is far better than some of the more bland sludge Marvel has cranked out in recent years.
I wasn’t a big Hiddleston/Loki fan but wanted to stay current on MCU but S2 of Loki has really turned me around. This is by far my favorite season of MCU expansions
There are several hints in this episode that act as loose but convincing evidence that Loki is the progenitor of the TVA and its headliners that we've seen throughout both seasons. Two things stood out to me: when Loki said "a union of form and function" to 'normal life' Mobius, he passed it off as a neat sales slogan, as if he had never heard the turn of phrase before. It wasn't one of those "that's just what I was thinking/gonna say" cliché time travel moments. We know that this later becomes a beloved Mobius catchphrase - or rather, earlier - in the order of episodes released, but layer in the show's world timeline. Maybe Loki planted that in Mobius' mind. The other instance is a glaring one and it's the fact that Ouroboros' base of operations in the 'real world' is the exact same layout and architecture as his workshop in the TVA. As we know that Ouroboros and his TVA workshop play a critical role in the history of the TVA and in the erased memories of the members (having met Mobius before, but when exactly, we do not know), I feel that the TVA was somehow first *'conceived'* in episode 5 when Loki was seemingly trying to bring the TVA *back*. Added with the fact Loki can timeslip at will by the end of the episode, it seems like he's discovering his own place and ability in the timeline, inside *and* outside the TVA. Either Loki made the TVA or the team of characters collectively made it. A case of 'self fulfilling prophecy'.
I think episode 6 will reveal otherwise
It was said Kang "Conquered" the Tva not made it (Heard it from someone)
It makes sense if Loki, not He Who Remains, was the one to recruit Mobius, OB and the others. If He Who Remains were doing the recruiting, surely he would choose people who had some experience in working similar jobs to what would be expected of them in the TVA. Police officers, FBI agents, soldiers, real judges... Not a jet ski salesman or an unsuccessful author.
He Who Remains would never choose someone like Mobius and the others, as he would be picking people for their expertise. Whereas Loki picked them because they were his friends.
I also noticed that OB's name in his timeline is A.D., another way that time was/is measured (BC vs AD), especially in terms of epochs or the like. Love SCREENCRUSH!!!
I see y’all slept first then released the video good job. Quality > rushed video
Yep!!!!!!! Agreee I was amazed no one really posted.
I think they get early access to episodes. There’s times where they have the video up like an hour after episodes come out. It’s why it was surprising that they hadn’t uploaded this breakdown
@@danny9732 that’s only when Disney send them a couple episodes. But they don’t do that with every RUclipsr. It’s only a hand full and it’s not always.
Some DJ trivia that furthers the vinyl record analogy:
1. the side of a record is physically one continuous groove…aka one timeline
2. some records made specifically for highly advanced DJ performance (aka turntablism) will contain a groove thats cut to loop back on itself, not run out at the end…’like snake eating it’s tail’
3. the most popular dj softwares use vinyl records containing an analog timecode that the dj’s computer converts to a digital signal to control music files. this allows a DJ to have the power to seamless move anywhere in the timeline but also loop and manipulate the audio…sort of like a TemPad. Plus with a large enough hard drive, the DJ has huge amounts of the history of recorded music at their fingertips…which is kinda like time-travel.
The "Gut you like a fish" line has another layer to it, in Star Wars The Clone Wars, Ahsoka says "Tell us what we want to know right now, or I will gut you like a Rokarian dirt-fish!" Michael Waldron wrote that line into the Loki pilot episode because he really likes Star Wars.
Glad you mentioned the tie to The Matrix. I am not sure if it was mentioned before but the hallway scene with the old phone ringing at the end before Loki prunes himself is a direct lift from the end scene of The Matrix.
One thought that came to me is.. how many different Loki’s were variants. It seems to me he who remains went out of his way to prune as many Loki variants as he could.. cuz he knew a Loki would defeat him??
I think it's because Loki is an agent of chaos. So it's just more likely that a Loki will end up creating a nexus event.
I see it that "free will" is a continuum. I'm sure there are a few dogs or less sentient beings that caused branched timelines and had to be pruned, plenty of humans obviously, and then a TON of Lokis. I think all Lokis are just really unpredictable beings, in a "the multiverse is just a manifestation of probabilistic events" theoretical physics kinda way. Lokis are agents of chaos because of how literally random they are. They have the most free will, like actually. It's probably why they are all so different too. Not just in appearance, but in character and personality.
There’s that scene where OB and Loki sit face to face in a bench. The circular doorway with two doors with two small windows looks like Miss Minutes.
Sylvie is also sporting an Egyptian Ankh earring! Which Symbolizes “eternal life” not only pointing to her status as a god, but also during a scene in which she remembers Loki, retaining her memories from other timelines where the others have forgotten.
I’m wondering why it hasn’t been mentioned yet that she has a tempad, I thought that was why she retained her memory. As it’s the he who remains tempad 🤷♀️👀
@@leed261 Why are people questioning Sylvie remembering Loki? I just assumed they both remember because they are gods.
Maybe I got distracted, but I don't think I heard you mention the connection to America Sanchez wherein it's pointed out that Loki is subconsciously controlling his time jumps because they take him to when and where he needs to go. Dr. Strange points out to America that she's subconsciously controlling her multiverse jumps with the same results. I would not be surprised if that's not a coincidence.
I love how Loki hesitates to give OB the TVA manual because of freewill and/or if it can bring more chaos or will help him reach his goal.
I loved Loki mirroring the wacky waving inflatable tube man. A cute touch 😂
Never been this early. Absolutely loving this show and these breakdowns!
thanks for mentioning the easter egg i found from twitter Ryan. it also tugged at my heart strings to see that hen sylvie saw the TVA being destroyed her reaction was to go back to her hideaway TL and at the end the little girl who was on the run for hundered of years had nowhere to run and tile eventually caught up to her.
I think Loki should travel to a timeline where Rhodey is played by Terrence Howard, revealing that we haven't seen that branch since the very first Iron Man, and everything since then has been in a different dimension of the multiverse. 🤯
The scene where the record store clerk leaps through the air yelling Sylvie brought me to tears but affirmed my love of humanities ability to love and care even in a moment of impending doom or death.
I don't know if that moment at 21:35 was a mistake or not, but I LAUGHED HYSTERICALLY🤣
same 🤣🤣🤣 that shit was so funny 😆
i think they forgot to edit in his lines 🤣🤣🤣 hilarious blooper
Theory:
Loki and Sylvie create a “new”/The TVA. Since they killed HWR, he is no longer in charge of the story, but instead it’s the Council of Kangs.
Loki and Sylvie’s TVA is one of free will and choice, but allowing those variant timelines also allows Kangs to rise up, and enables the Multiversal War.
The Avengers from all of the timelines assemble in a single remaining timeline or even a new timeline for Secret Wars. Loki collects them similar to how he collected his TVA pala
Man I love this TV series! The series is essentially about 'What Ifs' and 'Do-overs'. The character development is just wonderful and the joy of TV series is there's the time to play with this stuff vs a film where you only have 2 hours. Loki gets so much more development and focus in this series than what was developed over the span of 10 years of original MCU. The journey that Loki has gone through from his original belief that because he is a god, he can do what he wants for personal gain to now eventually realizing that there is a higher power that has chartered his life and determined his purpose. He is the catalyst of disruption and change. Change is painful but you need it to grow and evolve.
He Who Remains knew that at some point of time, he would die and the TVA would die. Thus the fail safe that in the event that were to happen, all the staff would just roll back to their original branched timelines with their memories wiped. In a way, at least He Who Remains didn't let them get killed and thus the 'thank you for your service'. The TVA functions like a government ministry and a kind of 'Public Service'. The episode shows us the original lives and character qualities of OB, Mobius, B15 and Casey. But as much as we thought that Loki was going to get the band back together ala Nick Fury and the Avengers, Sylvie's comment that in doing so, that just makes Loki selfish for forcing these people out of their normal lives just to save the TVA because he wanted to. The difference with grabbing Victor Timely from his timeline was because that was his destiny to make the TVA, but for all these other people, the TVA wasn't their destiny. He Who Remains extracted them and made them work for the TVA originally without their choice. Loki pondered this and that Sylvie was probably right that if he did this, he wasn't giving them a choice and thus regretted and wanted to send them back. Which shows how much he's grown as a person. He's moved away from his original megalomaniac fascist origins to someone with empathy and reason.
Sylvie on the other hand firmly believed in free will and chose to be blissfully ignorant of everything else around her as long as her ideal life is preserved, but she learns eventually that the chaos she caused because of her selfish act of revenge has caused wide spread ramifications to her own world. Utter complete chaos only produces utter destruction and though she ports away and realizes his mistake, even she wasn't spared being spaghettified. Which means that the chaos she caused would only bring about her own destruction. The funny thing though is that Loki is the chosen constant, not even Sylvie even though she's also a Loki variant. Loki is immune to this kind of time radiation, which means he cannot die by spaghettification. But instead, he is time slipping against his control.
But yeah the funny thing is Loki's subconscious thoughts about his friends and situation is allowing him to show up in places and points in time that have meaning and purpose. At first he thought he could control the 'why' about the situation and its meaning, but later he realizes he can control the time slipping anchoring the thoughts on the 'who', the people and the characters. Empathy, is about tapping into someone elses feelings and thoughts, and Loki now understands that now that he understands empathy, he can control time slipping at will. This was a guy who didn't comprehend empathy in the beginning and now totally understands it.
Which makes Loki a true powerhouse because he literally is one of the most powerful entities in the MCU, and without the use of any item of power! Sylvie had He Who Remains master Tempad and even she wasn't spared being spaghettified. Loki has literally become the new He Who Remains but even better because he can manipulate events at will, but would it be for the better?
This episode was beautiful in every way, from the effects of spaghettification to the terrific acting. Can’t wait for the finale!
Bloody brilliant. your episode breakdown, the episode itself, the acting, the special effects, the subtext, the production design...such a wonderful TV show ! Thanks for unraveling its marvels to us !
About their original timelines; they're all branched! For example, B-15 may not have experience invasion or even Loki. Mobius wife may not have been snapped because Thanos may not have existed or occurred on their branched timelines
In previous episode Obi says he was inspired by Victor timely but here he is actually inspired by Loki or it's just bootstrap paradox. And he who remains used this and made Obi a good servent to TVA and himself after erasing half his memory by replacing loki with Victor.
This was the best episode of any mcu show yet. The timelines dying was so scary/gorgeous, forcing loki to learn his time slip ability (which I'm not sure how i feel after endgame very clearly stated it doesn't work that way)
Starting to wonder if they might do a fakeout and the He Who Remains we saw at the end of time who was sick of managing the timeline was actually Loki in disguise rather than Timely and was sick of running the TVA and wanted his younger self to take over, as he said he wins either way... either the Lokis take over directly from him or they kill him and end up right back there again.
The time theater 25 loki timelips to is also the same room he was watching his life play out in season 1 episode 1
I wonder if Sylvie didn't spaghettify in the McDonald's timeline because that's not her original timeline, but spaghettified at the end of the episode because that was her original branched timeline.
I thought it was funny how Loki would time slip to Möbius’ branched timeline at the motor lot where he moves exactly how the inflatable tube man in the background.
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It’s been a really good character arc for Loki from being a villain to a loving friend
24:01 thank you for mentioning this!!! This is the only part of the series in disliking so far, I feel like they are just flipping their own rules on it’s head, hopefully we get a good explanation why Loki is now able to timeslip his MIND now and rewrite events altogether! There’s no more branch there, he’s going back and changing the events that were ‘meant to happen’ because they’ve already happened… 🤪 goodness they better have a good explanation lol
I think Loki can re-write the history but just the history that involves his tva friends/variants.
Just like Goku's insta-transmision following known ki signatures
At the beginning of the episode, after the blast , there was a scene where temporal loom was fully functioning (working fine or refurbished). So Loki might have gone to past where the loom exists also the sacred timeline or he might have went to future were he and his team successfully expanded the outer ring of that loom (as we saw loki time slipped and went back at episode end). What's your thought on that temporal loom.
Great take, Ryan. I have to say, this show runs deeper than any other Marvel property. For example, I was adopted as an infant, like Loki, and it's finally in the psychological record that this tends to create intense separation anxiety paradoxically combined with isolationist instincts. It's not fun. I feel like Loki's arc is a really on-point representation of the adoptee's dilemma. You can't process trauma that you can't access, so you continually act out your own worst scenario, ouroboros-style.
I really feel Loki broke the 4th wall in that moment when he realized “It’s about who.”
Kinda spoke to me that Marvel is back to telling amazing stories for its fans ❤
Between Loki and GenV, we had 2 back to back excellent and (finally) unique super hero series.
@ScreenCrush There is a few odd audio ducks in this edit. The dog gets really quiet near 21:35 for example, and some of the movie clips as well.
Wanted to mention this as well. Thought it was my headphones jaja
The relation of the spaghettification of the universe to the nothing's devouring of existence in the neverending story is 😘👌
This was hands down the BEST episode of Loki ever. I was ENTHRALLED.
Loved the episode! But here’s a thing: when Loki returns to the workshop after seeing Sylvie, he uses a time door, even though he has no tempad and the one OB has built is in the workshop and in shot when Loki steps through the time door. Is this just an honest mistake or was there a deleted scene where Sylvie opened a door for him? The latter would make sense as that could explain how Sylvie knows where to go when she needs to escape the record store a little later in the episode.
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This show is the BEST kind of sci-fi - deeply philosophical, intricate, ,multilayered, with compelling, emotionally real characters. It makes you think, it draws you in, and it trusts that you will be able to follow, and, eventually, get it. Firkin brilliant.
The episode was amazing! I also really liked how Loki made himself look better before going to see Mobius. Also I find it interesting that the four were all on Altered Timelines, that none were on the Sacred Timeline.
But yeah this was amazing.
All TVA agents comes from pruned branched timeline so that's maybe why
Heh! I also noticed how Loki was making himself presentable before going to Mobius. He didn't do it with anyone else, not even Sylvie...
This show is so much deeper then at first sight… nice
The attention to detail is *INSANE!* 😭
Hearing everyone shotgun ideas, the one I like the best is the Avenger Prime aspect. Mostly because I can't see how Loki can downgrade himself from the power he has achieved.
avenger prime ?
@@NoraHannigan678Loki that destroyed his reality, tried to off himself, cursed with immortality, and given a job to protect the multiverse from the devil known as metphisto. He beat dr dooms, and many people with universe altering powers
Same here. I personally don't see how Loki could change his god status so easily without breaking the rules of being a god in the MCU. Because if the option of changing one's god status was always a thing then why didn't he try doing so earlier in his life in an effort to become more loved? And what about Thor in Thor: Ragnarok? If that option to become the god of something else existed why didn't he consider it? If they do end up going down that route they're going to have to provide a good explanation. Because otherwise it wouldn't make any sense.
@@ked49 is that different from god of stories ? i thought avenger prime meant more along picking the "prime" version of each avenger for secret wars, is it a comic run?
First Victor Spaghettified. Then Sylvies food, Loki’s shot glass, the universe she’s in, the temp pad, and then the universe the group is in once Sylvie arrives. I think the destruction is following Sylvie and somehow she has become a black hole swallowing everything she comes into contact with. It could be why Loki’s time skipping is correlated with “Who,” meaning Sylvie and why her record symbolized a black hole in that scene. It could be Loki removing himself from all space and time created two singularities which are depicted on He Who Remains window
Has anyone considered that OB could be a He Who Remains variant? The way they looked at each other when they met 😍, and even though he built that temporal aura reader, he may not have considered his aura would unlock the system.
I don't think so given he seemed happy to have visitors and collaborators both times he met Loki and Mobius "for the first time." Kang understands needing to have people around him but mainly to use as pawns rather than as actual teammates.