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TB Skyen rambling about art with no real premise other then discussing how it conveys an emotion is not what I thought I needed but I love it
Amazing video! Leaving a comment for RUclips engagement
😢 I wouldn't reduce it to rambling but yeah it's very good
It’s the passion that gets you
I knew exactly great it would be 😊
I'm a big fan of One Piece's caricature approach to grief. To me the characters look like how it FEELS to experience grief. When the subjects in a painting look too beautiful it creates an emotional distance for me in the sense of "that could never be me, I don't cry so gracefully" which makes it much harder for me to empathise with the painting. ✏
exactly this, oda does something many if not most manga artists are afraid of doing: making the characters look ugly. Anime characters especially girls often look like perfect dolls and this takes away from the scene in cases of extreme emotion like crying but also when portraying horror and body horror, because they just cant bend their style for the scene, but one piece is already a pretty stylized manga so this doesn't look out of place at all, also authors like junji ito have a style that isn't quite the classic manga style, but that works beautifully for his works
Oda does it in great ways since we never cry beautifully, we usually cry ugly (i meant the face we make)
@@Khann_2102At least, we have a tendency to.
18:27 damn man, that line "Yes, the mourner is broken down in tears and sorrow because, try as we might, we cannot resurrect the dead. But is there anything more beautiful than the human capacity to love so deeply, that we will try to do it all the same?" hits so deep
Skyen actually lovingly hand animating some heartfelt gestures and emotions onto his super simple avatar is so cute im living
As an art history minor I've looked at what feels like a millions of pietas and what not and your comment on how people distance themselves from the feelings of a painting by analysing and critiquing it just really hit hard. In university we look at it from a very clinical and sterile way but we rarely talk about the feelings. Thank you. ❤🎨
It hit me as well in a slightly different way. As a fan of visual novels that are sometimes criticized as "overwrought" and "cheaply manipulative". I was wondering how so many people could be so unempathetic; that is obviously true for some, but it hadn't occurred to me that this distance could be created out of the desire to avoid pain.
In the 1876 pieta, I actually like the almost over-theatricality of the angels poses and expressions.
Its almost like they're trying to comfort Mary in that way of, "oh, this was the inevitable divine tragedy, it's so terrible but we must play our part and grieve like this". Like they feel bad, but they're just by nature invested in demonstrating their grief to God, they're not pulled down by the weight of the death b/c they're holy and it's inevitable. So there's a distance there.
And Mary just...cannot do that. She's also the only figure looking straight-on at us because presumably the viewer is another human. Because she's a human being and this is her *son*, and there's depths to her grief that the angels just can't reach her on, but we can.
It also reminds me of this bizarre way Christians "comfort" bereaved friends or relatives. "Don't worry, they're in heaven. You don't have to be sad, think of the joy they're experiencing in heaven!" Almost implying that their death was a good thing, and it just reads as either intensely tone deaf or downright cruel.
I am a Christian, or at least I come from a Christian family, and there is this pervasive idea that having bad emotions or bad thoughts makes you a bad person. Anger, grief, apathy, anything that makes you an inconvenience is a spiritual problem that ought to be prayed about, if not brought before the priest so they can lightly season you with olive oil.
In this image the angels or saints are grieving "properly", sad but in that distant way where the issue doesn't really affect them directly. They are guests at a funeral, a friend of a friend who just turned up because they were expected to and it's only polite. For Mary though, that's her son. That is her child, the boy she loved and raised and watched die in agony, and now she's being offered shallow condolences while her son's body hasn't even gone cold. I love this take on her because here Mary isn't a saint or symbol, she is a mother.
@@ButterflyScarletChristians don't take death any less seriously, and aren't any less sad about it, but one of the main points of faith is to try and give comfort in areas where there is simply nothing known, ergo death. In a very real way, faith is a coping mechanism and all I'm saying is to understand and not blow a fuse whenever a religious person makes a comment like the ones you described, as it's just their way of dealing with grief or some other emotion.
@@ButterflyScarletthis reminded me of when I lost one of my childhood friends last year. Being both strongly Catholic and strongly autistic, my comfortations to other mourners had to be "cut down" by one of my friends saying "I know you're trying to help, but your 'cold logic' really doesnt work. Just give someone a shoulder, silently."
@@ButterflyScarlet I know exactly what you mean. I grew up Catholic (though even as a little kid I didn't really jive with that belief, and it felt forced onto me.). I experienced a lot of grief growing up, and the idea of heaven never brought me comfort. Being told to feel joy about my loved one being in heaven felt like other's attempts to tell me to "get over it" as politely as possible, especially when all I wanted was to just process my grief on my own time. My family also had an issue with bad emotions= bad person.
It felt like getting your arm cut off and having people give advice for what medicine to take for the pain. The medicine (or faith in heaven) isn't going to fix my arm or stop me from bleeding out. It causes me more pain to be continually bothered with advice that doesn't work than it is to be left to grieve alone. It feels like a bad distraction than actually letting me feel my emotions. I understand that some people process things differently, but when everything hurts so much, even the tiniest annoyance feels like it's breaking you down more. As rude as it may seem, I really did prefer to be ignored than to be "comforted" in a way that only made me feel worse.
@@tomclancy102 Again, to reiterate: I am Christian, or at the very least I grew up in a Christian home. I am speaking from my personal experience of being present for far too many funerals.I am not "blowing a fuse", and even if I was it wouldn't make me any less right.
I understand that faith is a coping mechanism. I understand that the belief that you will one day see your loved ones again is appealing. I understand that it is wonderful to think of them as not decaying underground, but joyous in the arms of a loving God. I know. I get it.
Yet I also know that telling people to be joyful when they are grieving is not your place. Especially if you aren't related to the person. It is such an empty platitude because it reeks of not wanting to deal with another's grief beyond sweeping it under a carpet of forced cheer and hoping it magically disappears on it's own. That's not how emotions work.
6:03: It gives the impression that this painting depicts the last moment in this scene which it wouldn't blasphemous to portray. The last instant when Mary is regal, composed, _presentable,_ before the human emotion takes over.
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What this painting evoques in me is "how ironic, and how cruel, to have immortalized and cannonized something as devastating as grief and the murder of her son". The way Mary doesn't look aware of the angels and how disturbing this gold looks in the darkness shrouding her, she stills look at you directly, as if you are an intruder to her grief and you come to... Worship it ? How strange of you to come admire a murder and sing about how glorious it is in front of their mother. And how savage it is to claim it holy,and pure as if the pride and faith you have will bring him back to her somehow and heal her sorrows. Her crying eyes looking at you almost like... she is judging you for your voyeurism, and thus emmerges questions. Does she hear and see the angels ? Does she see you too ?
@@rosevalety3408 absolutely, it feels filled with resentment, like she's aware of the role she's been forcefully put into, of a pure holy person who's supposed to accept the death of her child and play into the cruel apathic mindset of the followers glorifying the most horrifying situation she could ever imagine, but she's there in the middle, she's the main character in a horror story, she knows no matter what she does she will be portrayed as an accomplice, she will be set in stone as blessed, as lucky for having been part of something they will call a miracle, but to her it wasn't magical, it wasn't fated, it could've been prevented, it SHOULD have been prevented, she's aware of the role she will have in history and she doesn't want it, she wants nothing to do with such unhinged fabrication, and she resents every single person who dares rejoice for such an abomination, but at the end of the day, she knows there's nothing she can do, and she has to grief that too, no matter what she does it's over, the result will be the same
The realization that "Anguish" is basically a inhuman pieta blew my mind, its a literal lamb of god. A perfect way to end whats suppose to be a meandering video by circling the sqaure with an inverse of where we began that yet still depicts the same feeling.
I feel like the crows in Anguish also aren't necessarily portrayed as antagonistic. They're circling the lamb and ewe, yes, but they're not pressing their claim, not trying to drive the ewe away. They read to me as almost respectful, in a way; they have a role to play and they're going to play it, but they seem to me to be be giving the mother space to feel her sorrow and denial.
They’re patient but persistent.
Like Death itself it will take what it’s due, but it will give you time to mourn, the lamb will always be dead, and they will feed on it as is their nature, but so long as she’s there, holding on to her child, he won’t be completely gone and they will allow that.
They aren’t trying to subvert her or drive her off, they’re not trying at all, just waiting for her to accept it and until she does, they will wait.
Same. They are quietly and patiently waiting.
They are inevitable.
to me, they read like they themselves are mourning the lamb, like the black-clad attendees of its funeral. the ones directly to the right of the ewe especially, with the two facing forward and thus looking at each other while hiding their faces from the viewer, the one in the back looking distantly into the sky, and the two at the very edge; the one turning its head towards its shrunken compatriot, whose own head is held low and curled towards its chest as if it was staring at the ground, letting its metaphorical tears fall into the snow below
the way they carry itself isn't particularly unbirdlike, nor does this body language actually translate to something so humanoid in reality, but the sheer degree the ewe is anthropomorphized without the slightest break in her ovine anatomy makes it hard not seeing similar humanity in those that surround her. and perhaps it isn't too fantastical. perhaps corvids, intelligent and social birds that they are, do feel a sense of empathic mourning in carrion they recognize as once being living creatures like themselves
I think it also has a similar feeling to how lonely grief makes you feel. Outsiders watching a tragedy from a distance. No one will ever know her grief like she does, because it’s special, personal.
Cried over a ship with one piece, and today cried over a sheep in a painting.
Granted it was after the one piece part which always gets to me... but still.
Different people experience grief differently and thats why i think grief in art can go so many ways yet is so difficult to write/illustrate it
I think it's because rather than an emotion, grief is the process of dealing with loss. The emotopns accompanying that could be anger, sadness, despair, denial, hurt, and all kinds of emptiness and dissociation. There are so many facets to it.
Skyen I cried like three times during this video, you should be a voice actor.
Honestly, the way Skyen's voice makes you resonate with his emotions I can see it happening.
Audio books!!!
Same i cried exactly 3 times too
Me too 😭
Something I wanna say about the last Pieta of Mary: while Mary's eyes are pointed slightly away, it also looks like she's looking *at* the viewer. And in that gaze I feel something like... A cry for sympathy, but also that hollow pit of hopelessness that comes from such a loss. While grief and depression are not the same, I relate to that stare, and remember it from when I was deep in the pits of depression. When the tears are spent, and all energy to rage against the situation is gone, the only thing you're left with is... That stare.
Can't spell paint without pain, but hope things will turn around soon and we'll get a "Joy in Art" video in the future 🖌❤
Yes please. Art makes us happy
What comes to my mind immediately is the dance under the rain in Look back, it’s one of the most impactful visual representation of joy I can remember having experienced
The part of Luffy remembering what he has past his grief is a familiar experience. The loss makes it harder to recognise what remains. Even if you see and know it, everyone else can feel so distant.
And it's familiar to have to hold on to "I still have [something]" to keep out of the deepest regions of grief.
I'm not looking forward to Easter next year, not for the pain of death, but layers of loss all the same.
🎨 This was a nice video.
I actually quite like the very forced pose on the Lucifer painting. Because when you look at it at first it does just sort of look like he was just lounging there, showing off his perfect body while looking down at the POV with cool detachment. It gives a lot of classic villain vibes specially with the arm positioning giving it a bit of a Dracula air.
And then you look at his face closely and see those eyes expressing everything but detachment and coolness. I personally interpret the painting as Lucifer accepting his role as the villain, the temptator, the devil.... however just because he has chosen to embrace it doesn’t make it true.
He will be one day but right now, in that moment, he still a hurt child rejected by his father.
I don’t necessarily think that’s what the artist was intending, I recognized some of my ideas about the aesthetics of villainy are more modern, but it’s what I get out of it.
I'd like to add that it's perfect how he hides his face. As most people see tears and sadness an embarrassing show of emotions, a show of weakness. It adds another layer to the painting, he's embarrassed, frustrated. And Lucifer was described as prideful even during his angel days.
He's currently undergoing going loss, he's finally seeing that he's lost even before the battle is over. He's down, his followers who sided with him still fighting and going down. And soon everything, his status as an Angel, his Father's presence and favor, his home, and everything will soon be gone from him when this battle is over. He has to grapple with the overwhelming emotions of it all, sadness, anger, frustration and embarrassment. At this point he sees and needs acceptance and he'll begrudgingly take it bc that's all that's left for him.
Another detail that gets me about "Anguish": The way the crows gather around the body doesn't read to me like they're _just_ waiting for their next meal. If that was all they wanted, then that many crows could easily swarm and overpower the ewe. No, their gathering, to me at least, looks very much like a funeral procession. Even after the ewe and lamb's own family have left them behind, death itself seems to grieve over what it's done, and treat the tragic scene with the dignity it deserves.
This is probably just because it's been on my mind recently, but it makes me think of Discworld's version of Death; the way he's described as having a deep, compassionate love for all of the souls he reaps, because "What can the harvest hope for, if not for the care of the Reaper Man?" Just because death is tragic and painful, that doesn't mean that it has to be ugly, antagonistic, or cruel.
Oh this got me crying while doing dishes.
About the last painting, I really like how there isn't hostility from the crows to the sheep. As you said, if/when it fights against the truth, no one will judge it, and I think this goes for the crows as well, they look like they are waiting for it to let go, so they can continue with their work, as in whatever time it takes. Having the one from the right gently coming forward, as if to test if it's ok to continue, but if the sheep is not ready to let go yet, they won't force it.
I was thinking the same thing about the crows. They don't seem malicious, if anything quite patient. And that one on the right... it looks like it's feeling sympathy or something. But at the same time, their symbolism of death, the color contrast, all of it suggests an othering of her pain against the disconnect from what's surrounding her, and I think it's interesting that the presence of so many crowd brings this unsympathetic weight and pressure while simultaneously not being malicious, just a part of the truth and the continuing cycle
@@cass6020I feel they are two things in one, here. They are unexpected compassion from strangers, yet they are the patient cleaners awaiting their due meal. They are the unrelenting reality of death and decay and entropy and impermanence, they are the enemy she is trying to hold back, and cannot hope to, forever. Yet they are also gentle, they are giving the moment and the feeling its space, for the very inevitability they represent means they need not be unkind. A confusing and charged energy in their gathering darkness.
11:29 It may be inaccurate to say he was given a prideful and rebellious nature but rather he, like all angels and mankind alike, were given free will and the choice to rebel if our pride gets the better of us. This painting reminds me more of a child sent to his room cursing and crying in quiet.
More of this algorithm. Much more of this. Because I needed to cry about the futility of denying the lamb is dead and the importance of doing it anyway.
I've experienced so much grief and loss in the last few years, and I've felt very alone in it. Not many people my age can even relate to losing their parents. Much less other parental figures and family members, and in such rapid succession. It took 2 years for my life to become something that looked completely foreign to me.
Watching this though, it made that numbness and grief and sorrow feel seen by people I've never met and have long since left their own ripples of anguish. It reminded me that time is really the only thing that seperates us as people. We are all so much more alike than we usually acknowledge. 🎨
“And that gives me the chance to talk about arcane” knew we were going to get there eventually skyen, please never change
When sanji cries in whole cake island it’s an example of stoic grief. He really tries hard to not show,
I've had important people in my life die, but never close enough that absence of them has make me feel this deep grief; but something else has.
When talking to my therapist about the profoundly hollow lack of emotions, the loss of purpose and vitality I felt after having to cut ties with my best friend from college after 7 years sharing the most vulnerable parts of us with each other because we weren't good for each other anymore, and I fell in love too hard to maintain a healthy friendship. My therapist called it grief for the loss of one of the most significant people in my life, that even though she's still alive and well, I had to choose to let her "die" in my life, and deal with the grief that comes with that. This video made me remember that, and for that I thank you Skyen. 🖌️
This... made me think of my granddad. it made me think of how when he passed, i didn't cry once. I came close a good few times, but it wasn't until i saw him, until i went to go say goodbye in person that i finally did. and thinking about that and how grief comes to us all, and seeing how art can evoke those same feelings, it both catches me off guard, and yet also feels just as it should be. I feel personally I've moved on from my granddad's passing by now and I enjoy telling stories about him, but this video... it helped my finally click that last bit of understanding I suppose. Thank you. 🖌
Dude that christmas eve painting🎨 just full-on destroyed me
Edit: yeah no that was nothing compared to the split oak tree and the sheep
Also yes, watching or reading Marineford again makes me cry even before I get to the moment where Ace is killed
Saw Luffy in the thumbnail and I just had to watch, it was so worth it. I’m so glad people understand One Piece’s excellent depiction of grief through its artstyle, I feel like too many people just make fun of it and dont give it enough credit. 🎨
One of my personal favorite depictions of grief in animation, albeit while denying said grief, is Luz from The Owl House in ‘Reaching Out,’ particularly the scene under the Grom tree.
Spoilers I suppose if anyone ever want to watch the show, but it’s the anniversary of Luz’s dad’s death and she can’t be with her mom to pick flowers with her like she usually does. But she doesn’t tell her friends in the boiling isles about this because there’s just so much else to worry about and everyone’s dealing with their own problems, so she instead throws herself into solving everything else, including Amity, her girlfriend, and her issues with her own dad. But when pushing down that grief leads Luz to make a stupid decision that screws over Amity, Amity flees and Luz follows after her. They sit underneath a tree that represents one of their first ‘romantic’ moments, now wilting due to the changing seasons, and Amity asks Luz why she did what she did, and Luz confesses the truth.
A lot of the credit should be given to Sarah-Nicole Robles, Luz’s voice actress, for selling the emotion so well: the way she declares ‘That’s no excuse for what I did’ like she’s replicating an adult she heard, attempting to sound mature and recognizing the childishness of her behavior, only for that facade to break immediately when she see’s the horror in Amity’s eyes, realizing just how much pain Luz is in, how she’s been trying to hide it, and how Luz immediately sounds so much more broken right after, like she just can’t keep up the charade anymore…
Idk. There’s no crying or sobbing or anything, but there’s something about it that gets to me.
As a newcomer to One Piece Nami's "Luffy, help me" face during Arlong Park is a remarkable display of grief. It's a face of someone who has dedicated their entire life to fixing one mistake that just got told they have to start from zero. It's the face of someone who just realized no matter how hard they try they can't escape their personal hell on their own. It's the face of someone who didn't want another soul to be involved with their suffering having to sacrifice every ounce of their being to beg for help because they now know they can't succeed on their own.
That one scene singlehandedly transformed Nami from a character I didn't care for into my favorite character. It's a full display of emotional vulnerability from a character who bundles everything inside for fear of what would happen to those she cares about if she lets herself be vulnerable again. And Luffy's placing his hat atop her just as Shanks did for him when he was grieving as a child is the perfect catharsis to her suffering, as both the audience and Nami know fully how important that hat is to Luffy, and how much it means for him to give it to someone else. We feel joy and relief for Nami the same way she does when Luffy agrees to help her in the most earnest way possible.
I haven't finished the video yet, but the way you talk about Christmas eve at the grave at 17:02 hit so incredibly hard. That feeling wanting to try and defy death for just a night. To have them feel a little closer for just a moment, even though it hurts so much. It's left me in tears, and I think I needed that today. So thank you Skyen, for helping me put words to a grief I struggle to express. I'll watch the rest of the video now, and probably cry a bit more. 🖌
For the time this video has been up, I get back to it, from time to time. Mostly as a part of a long list of podcasts and essays I listen to while I draw, but... every time I need to stop myself and take a break to cry a little, especially during the part with Christmas Eve at the grave. The way you describe it hits too close to home and makes me relive some of the recent memories, when my whole family was sitting around a Christmas tree, holding back tears and saying the exact same thing "you are not gone" to a picture of my grandfather.
I love this video with all of my heart. I always have a little bit of trouble focusing on emotions in art, but you helped me a lot with it, and well... I'm grateful. Thank you Skyen, I hope now the grief and hardship is a little less present in your life
Sewerslvt's "Goodbye" and "her" have the most intense experience of grief ever put in audio. I think about it a lot.
Agree. If I could also mention “all the joy in life was gone once you left” as the sort of grief that hits you once you realize how empty and hollow the absence of someone feels in your heart. After all, you only really realize how much someone meant to you after they’re gone.
What did I expect by clicking on a video themed with grief, let me go back to sobbing.
I don't think I experienced real devastating grief in my life yet, but I fear the day that I will. I'm a late child and seeing my parents already getting old while I still haven't finished the uni can get hard.
About the end of the video. I'm not the best with words and consoling, but I wish you the best, this video really touched me, I felt your tenderness and I hope for you to overcome obstacles in your way.
despite the theme of this video, I am always made very happy by Skyen's rambling 🖌
Incredibly cathartic video. Inconsolable grief was the visual that resonated with me the most-- there's so much emotion stuck in her, stunning her that just can't surface, and i feel that limp suffocation in myself when I look at her. But even though the actual painting didn't hit me as hard as inconsolable grief, the way you described Anguish drove me to tears. Thank you
:) 🎨
Oh my god there's so much _art_ I didn't know exists. 17:00 This is so beautiful. The color and symbolist contrast of white, dark, light of the candles, night sky. Lone moon where dreams should be. The light elevated to a position of divine Power, yet beneath the moon that declares it's domain over both. The beauty of the snow shaded in dark as if the world had turned thus, the only happiness left in faint hope and memory. The cold against the flame, the world has grown cold, the man is poorly clothed to face it, and only in the memory and in deed religion is there hope to see a child again (in heaven).
I lost my dad at 16 and it was awful, but was not once how it was like in Hollywood, all the support groups I was in said the same, I've only seen one scene in media which resonated with me, that being Edgerunnera episode 1 Martinez's immediate response to his mother dying was just right, you don't dwell or comprehend, you just need to do and find something to take it out on
🎨 CW: talks of miscarriages and ectopic pregnancy and pregnancy in general.
I really appreciate this video Skyen. Grief has always been the backdrop to my life and this week more than most. I'm the 4th of 5 children and my mom has a condition that makes miscarriages common. To my knowledge she had 23 of them. 2 of which overlapped with me. I carry the grief and expectations of those other two possible people with me and normally I carry it fine but this week isn't a normal week. It started with my oldest sister announcing a pregnancy to the 3 days later announcing a miscarriage. Then there was hope because her numbers were still rising. Only for that hope to be smashed away by the realization that it was because it was an ectopic pregnancy. As an amab individual I find it hard to cry and the art included in this video and your commentary on it brought a really needed cry
I feel so much about grief is frustration, something which can be confused for anger. Humans like to control things and when we can't, we feel terrible, the futility of post death rituals and feelings is in a way, an attempt to take control of the situation, to make sense of it. That is frustration.
i cant remember when i first watched this video but truly i cant help but to keep coming back to it, its comforting
40:12 OH GOD IT IS A PIETA OF A SORT!
Wow Skyen. I have seen Anguish before and thought it a great emotional piece but that realisation really is something. This video is worth it just for that statement alone in my opinion. 🎨
i love how you deliver every little single thing you say, man. for real. things hit harder when *you* say it the way you do
Skyen, I hope things have gotten better for you since you wrote that script. you have offered so much knowledge and insight to me through your many analysis videos, and I can’t ever express how valuable you and your creations are to me. I hope your pain will be worth it, that you can use the blade that’s been used to harm you and wield it as your own as you fend off the untamable difficulties this world ruthlessly buries us in. know that we love and appreciate you so very much, and I hope that the tides of history wash gently over you, too. 🎨
I was half expecting the painting of Ivan and his son, though I suppose that's less "grief" and more "gutwrenching horror and regret". Awesome video anyway Skyen, good job. Also, my two cents on Anguish: The crows might also represent the crowd in a funeral. Figures clad in black surrounding the grieving, sobbing mother on all sides as her child is half buried in the snowy ground. There both to keep her company, twisted as that company is, and also...suffocating her. The mother is surrounded on all sides, there's no place she can turn to where she won't see black black black, she can't breath she can't *escape* what this event means no matter how hard she cries. the crow in the bottom right, it's head lowered, even reads, to me, as someone trying to offer some sort of comfort, it looks even vaguely uncomfortable in this situation all alone in that corner by itself.
When my big brother died, I felt trapped by just how many people came to the funeral and the shiva after. They were there dressed in dark clothes and darker expressions to offer comfort in this time of /unbelievable/ grief, but for me all they did was serve as an omnipresent reminder that a part of my soul is in a box buried in the ground. so. yeah.
5:21 I have experienced grief and for me this reads as that lull, when you've let all the pain out from crying, sobbing, and screaming. And you're left there, numb. Staring into space, thinking about everything ang nothing.
I love the Christmas tree grave picture. I would absolutely hang that up in my house just because I love it that much. It just feels so good with the juxtaposition of a tree on a grave, a peaceful calm night with such a somber scene, a lone person grieving and a scene from the holiday one should feel least alone on. I also just like that we don't really need to see the face on whoever is grieving, the scene gives exactly enough context for us to understand enough about what is going on. We don't know who the grave belongs to, a lover? A spouse? A sibling? A friend? A parent? A grandparent? Even the sillier answer of a dog or cat kinda still works but the incomplete context of the grave is enough. We don't really need more than that.
I did not expect to cry at a painting today. I also agree with the point of Lucifer not really giving of the intended emotion with his posture. I think that's why you see it just cropped down to his face a lot
I'm in one of my own depression downswings and I also end up looking at depressing themes or songs or what not. Once you started talking about the Christmas eve and the sheep painting...well now I'm straight out bawling. But it's a good release in a way. I needed something to put me over the edge and cry it out today. Thank you.
I do hope you're in a better place now, Skyen. Keep up the great work! I hope your holiday season can bring some peace and smiles. 🎨🖌
Skyen explaining what the pieta’s look like is so fuckin funny 😂😂 “is he good?”
The more I watch this channel, the more urgently I feel that TB Skyen would make an incredible narrator of…. everything? Audio books, nature documentaries, story narrator for video games, etc. The nature of how he goes about analyzing expressions and emoting in his voice to emphasize a point in this particular video has really elevated how I experienced listening to it. His narration voice and style is up there with David Attenborough and Morgan Freeman for me. Wonderfully done. We see your effort. You’re doing so so good. Excuse me as I watch this 600 more times.
if it fits into your schedule, and isnt bad for your algorithm, please make more videos just like this. your art analyses from so many different mediums and styles helps me view and understand the art around me so much deeper. super enriching content
well, this video managed to make me tear up twice as it went along - and i’m not someone who cries easily! informative, gripping, emotionally affecting - well done. i hope things have turned around since you wrote the script.
EDIT: k i’m back after getting back around to the credits. 🖌️🖼️
Blue eye samurai has a good representation of quiet grief and betrayal
It's nore a story about revenge and losing yourself but episode 5 taps into what brings someone to persue a bloody path and greif can be one of them
Also Christmas eve at the grave hurt a lot as I lost my grand father a month and a bit before Christmas
Right before the day of dead
literal chills wtf how do you do this
I also think that the crows in Anguish may serve as a way to tell us just how *long* the ewe had been standing there, protecting the one she loves. She is completely unable to let go. If this were a comic, the next panel might feature her lying down, beaten by the unforgiving wind.
okay, I cried a lot in the video. One thing I want to mention about marineford is the panel where luffy sees Ace is dead and simply freezes with despair. Mr morj, a one piece youtuber who has done an analysis of marineford, has broken down all the setup that went into this. Basically you have 200+ chapters of Luffy doing miracle after miracle, sacrifice after sacrifice like we have neever seen before, all leading to him rescuing his brother in a situation where he was like an ant battling among lions. Only to fail at the last point because his body just gave in. To me what sells the moment is that all the addrenaline, all the exhaustion, all the time he spent literally fighting to stay alive at deaths door, all the hope that fueled him, is taken from him. As an autistic person, it reminds me of when you have a really exhausting day, but you are doing fine, doing fine, but the minute you are done with everything the adrenaline just stops and you collapse, unable to even talk and feeling like even moving is an impossible task. Fuck I am crying again
I didn’t realize that grief could also be applied to low periods. I think I’ve been grieving for a long time but I’ve been in denial about it. It’s just hitting a peak now.
It does feel like my heart is broken.
I think the grief ladened painting that struck me the hardest, was "Ivan the terrible and his son".
Its hard to really explain. The tight and close hold he has on his son, the kiss on the head like everything will be alright, and those eyes that convey the sorrow and the realisation that he can never undo what he has done. All the meanwhile his son lays in his arms, a single tear rolling down his cheek at the betrayal he must have felt, and a feeling of his own death.
Ivan the terrible was, well, terrible, and yet that painting just makes me feel sorrow for the tragedy of it all.
The single best depiction of grief in its purest form for me will always be the first episode of Twin Peaks. The way everybody in that town reacted to the murder of Laura Palmer felt real in a way that I haven’t really seen before or since
Jesus christ i didnt know how much i needed to see "sad" art. I love your commenting
This is like that one really cool tour guide in the art gallery who actually has interesting takes on the paintings rather than just listing a bunch of data.
I always find it really interesting to hear you talk about 🖌 and what it means and symbolizes to you aswell as your more technical breakdowns
Grief. Rage,anguish , panic, my favorite motion when in comes in a story show or any other media and love when the creators can show them very well.
With the painting "Anguish", the way some of the crows look , especially the two in the background craning their necks downwards... it kind of looks like they're mourners at a funeral.
This topic has been on my brain a lot this last week. It's been a year since my grandad died, when he died I dealt with my grief by painting a piece of art. I didn't like the art I thought it was ugly and it made me feel nothing when I looked at it but I shared it online with my close family anyway because they had all wrote emotional paragraphs for him as their form of expression and I felt I needed to add to that pot to validate that I am grieving just as much as they are, It felt like my silence on the matter was not enough. To my surprise my family all loved the art and lots of them had it printed and put onto their walls, they even put it on the funeral event plan they give you when you enter church without asking me so as I am saying goodbye I found myself greeted with my own failure to express my grief adequately. I wasn't upset with my family, part of me was just happy they found some comfort in the piece even though it had failed to provide me with the healing I had hoped but it did make me feel strange and artificial. Recently I've been considering remaking a piece of art on that topic just for myself but It hasn't come to me yet what I'd like to create.
The way Mary looks up in that Pietà you like at around 6:00 in reminds me of when I cry, how I sometimes try to look up just so that the tears will come down a little later. It's really resonant.
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Your description of Aanguish has me unraveling, I need to come back to this with a calmer mind omg you're too poetic and it's too sad 😭
I didn't know I needed this video until now. A very close friend of mine passed away recently in a horribly unexpected and tragic way. Ive been in a state of grieving for the last month or so and this video feels like grieving with someone nearby. I love this so much. Sometimes it is nice to be meloncholic and sad with other people. Thank you.
I think I'm the type to gravitate towards grief and despair when it comes to art.. I always found it cathartic to see it depicted in all its volumes, in all its ugliness and beauty..
I'm very grateful for this video. It's been a frustrating month and an even more frustrating couple of days, coming down with a flu in the face of a few looming obligations.. it's it's own catharsis to be able to sit down with some tea and hear you talk about all these depictions of grief.
I have a few paintings, and bits of sculpture from my homeland that this brings me back to. It would be fair to say my ancestors were fascinated with grief, loss, mourning. It struck me as a child to play in the crumbling fresco’s of our art. It was beautiful, as was this.
For some reason my device does not like emoji’s but this was an excellent work. A few I had never seen before
to preface: i have never in my life experienced direct loss of a family member or friend... and i hope i can be spared for a bit longer. i can not relate to these intense overwhelming feelings of grief myself
but the pictures at 14:30 and now at 17:09 broke me
im sitting in my chair crying like a baby because the emotion in these pictures are just so strong. Grief is such an ancient emotion... it doesnt matter if they are "just" paintings of people that are now long dead themself, i feel like there is some kind of human connection, that makes me feel big emotions, makes me feel WITH the person in the image
Congratulations on making me cry twice in the same video, that's a somewhat rare feat! This is the kind of contrnt that made me stay years after quitting league, thanks for your work, keep it up! 🎨
I love this video so much. I need more desperately.
The Painting at 17:00 reminded me so much of when my maternal grandmother died. It was summer and i was out for the day with a childhoodfriend, just having fun together. Then as i called to let her know, that we were on our way home, she tells me that her side of the family had called to inform us, that my grandmother died. I broke down crying in my friends arms that afternoon.
That year in winter we went to visit that side of the family and just spend some time together. We went to the graveyard, wich was coverd in deep snow, and cleaned up the stone from the snow a little. Afterwards we all sat down at a little stone table and ate some sausage with bread and placed one on her stone. In that moment a group of stray dogs from the village or town nearby came running over happily and we fed them a couple pieces of our food. It was a nice and calm winter afternoon that day and i will never forget it.
I know it probably wasn't the Intention but I like to think that the overtopness of the Angel's expressions in William's Pieta is supposed to contrast with how visceral Mary's reaction is. Like yeah they cared about Jesus he is the lord and savior, but they love Jesus as a symbol but Mary loved Jesus as a son. So the angels play up their reaction get it a cross that they loved him while Mary doesn't have to
I struggle to understand why my art feels bland...and this video helped me understand something small, im missing tiny details that help bring a piece to life, thank you and Goodluck to you...that lamb git to me.
I love listening when people talk about what they're passionate about or just what facinates them🎨
Thank you for sharing your great analysis
I love the usage of music in this video, or lack there of, it really makes the message sink in.
Though "ramblings" these videos flow so well and the inflections of TB Skyen's voice really draw you into the very subject they may be talking about. Even when it is often subjects that I am not the most fluent with the explanations and details brought in these videos makes me feel almost as if I am a fellow passerby observing and comparing notes with someone within a museum.
Just having these videos play in the background feels really enjoyable, and I am glad to see more content about things that the creator is so passionate about.
No matter the subject that is one thing that always shines through; passion.
It was Hesselbom's "Christmas Eve at the Grave" that did me in. So yeah. You successfully made me cry. Again. Thanks for the video!
this was a beautiful video sir! coincidentally I’ve also been on a one piece kick and oh boy when I tell you marineford broke me so much, to this day if I think too much about it I’d start bursting in tears. grief is such a bittersweet emotion since you’re right, grief is the sign of love, yet it hurts a person sososo much. The harsher the feeling, the stronger the love was, you were loved so strongly and will forever carry that love with you. that’s why I really enjoyed watching how grief is portrayed across these art works. No matter how long ago a piece was made, humanity has always experienced emotions like grief, so seeing how others depicted it feels so real. Thank you again for the video and the good tears you knocked out of me haha.
I appreciate this a lot. Not to go into detail but loss and grief have been very prevalent in my life, especially in the last month. I have difficulty feeling safe crying, but with the comfort of your voice and the knowledge nobody can see me, this is incredible. I also just love listening to your takes on art both from a technical and emotional perspective. 🎨
I had to watch this video in 4 instalments, i could not watch it in one sitting lest i risk pulling a muscle in my throat. Some react to deep sadness with a quivering lip or a trembling jaw but i have only ever had a lump in my throat for the sadness to go into, and the video was simply too sad. You assert, T B Skyen, at the end that the painting Anguish doesn't "work" on everybody. Well it did work on me; it all worked all too well on me.
You were right though.
It is beautiful.
It's odd I've been taking out of stuff for being comical in a serious moment but one piece has never done that for me. Instead the emotion is always so strong that this heightened emotion always just heightens it for me. I'd also have to thank you for showing me those paintings as well. They are beautiful in a way
Jeez, take care of your self, Mr. Skyen 😢
I thought I was truly grieving when my Grandma died BUT OW BOY was I GRIEVING when I dropped out of university (in design) and had to accept the fact that I'll never be a full-time artist like I wanted to be. Nothing is more painful than grieving over your childhood dreams being buried by our cruel reality.
Thanks You, i'd never notice about how closet is love to grief and how ylis represented in art, both love an sadness in one emotion
grief, devestad anger and horrible realisations are some my favourite emotions to draw in my own sketchbooks and explore in my stories so as you can imagine this video is now one of my favourites 🎨🎭
🎨 This is the first vid of yours I've ever seen - it came up in my recommended, and I'm so glad I got to watch. I'm holding back tears as I write this - your video really resonated with me. It may not seem like the most productive or cheery kind of video, but thank you for making it. This is what I love about art - it's a way for humans to connect and share and feel together in a way that no other species can.
Well, this video made me have to choke back tears a few times. I stuggle with emotional vulnerability, even in art, but ... this was just what I needed, I guess. Thank you.
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I can’t see this video ever being among your most popular, the topic is too niche, and the subject is too sad… however, I think this is the most rich video you’ve ever put out; or at least one of them, the raw expression, and appreciation for the subject is brilliant. I’m grateful that it exists.
I hope that this low spot in your life is not one that lingers for long- I hope that your bills will be paid, and that society won’t grind you down any longer- that you will see your family again soon. We are, afterall, coming to the time of year when togetherness and healing is most celebrated… I may be a little early, but happy holidays, Skyen.
i would say in the subject of the fallen angel painting, i like that the rest of him is almost perfect while only his face is feeling a human emotion. he’s only just fallen after all.
This was an oddly appropriate for today. You never realize that grief that you are running from until someone points it out to you. 🖼🎨
That simple painting at the grave at Christmas also made me think a lot looking at it. You never know what kind of art or artist can resonate with you, I suppose.
John Martin's _The Great Day Of His Wrath_ can feel like a landscape grieving.
The way I almost cried listening to this video is not what I expected when I started it.
RUclips recommend me this video and I just love how you speak in your videos, like telling a story. It's really great !
When I hear about Grief in art, I always thinks about "Worn Out" by Hans Andersen Brendekilde. The despair and the pain of the woman in this painting is heartwrenching. The more I look at her expression, the more it reflect on my past griefs and the more I want to cry. For me, it's one of the painting that had the most effect on me.
There is also "La mauvaise nouvelle" (the bad new) by Pierre-Marie Beyle who depict a fisherman in the verge to announce to a woman that her fisherman's husband passed away while at work. You can clearly feel the hesitation of the man who had to announce the bad new. The pain of the villagers, the surreal light and just, two shoes sticking out of a dirty sheet. In my opinion, art that can make us feel emotions and think is the best.
Thank for your video, I had a "great" time watching it
T B Skyen: *emotionally stabs me 50 times over, has me sobbing and stop the video half way in to writw down my feelings, something i never do, adds a finishing blow*
T B Skyen: "aaaaaaanyway~ 😊"
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You’re so delicate and honest person to listen to.
I am aware that this is a bit “parasocial” ( or however you spell it), but as a young man who tries to find himself in art, I am grateful to have you as a role model of a man, who is strong enough to share such deep emotions in a form of very intimate essay.
Life is. I mean life is, until it isn’t, and there’s not much else to say about struggling with mental health. I hope you find some comfort in the fact that you do really inspire, at least me, at least as the youtuber, but you do, thanks.
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🎨🖌️ thank you for making this, reliving the scene of luffys grief genuinely got to me once again!
Da king is back he neva miss I got tears in my eyes on a Tuesday morning 🖌
I found an ulterior, subtle implication in Anguish, wich is the fact that we *know* the mother, sooner or later, will give up and abandon the child. It's a sheep, it's in her nature and her every instinct must by now be rightfully screaming that she must catch up, she needs to reunite with the rest of the herd to even have a chance at survival, she need sto go NOW. And still, it is not the time yet. The moment will come, but the grief just demands its time. And that delay is to make sure that even when she gets back to the herd, she will neevr be the same sheep as before. Or person.