Ned Stark's False Security | Eddard VI | A Game of Thrones | Obsidian Nights Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2020
- In Todays Edpisode of Obsidian Nights We are in Kingslanding in Ned Stark's head as Kingslanding gets ready for the Hands Tourney.
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Is Game of Thrones popular in Indonesia?
@@sleekoduck i think so - some people i know watched it when the show was still ongoing. unfortunately, the books weren't that popular and most people just kinda forget about the show after it ended.
What occured between Robert and Stanis is never stipulated in full in the books. I always imagined Stanis trying to breach the subject with Robert and being brushed off. Seem like Robert was not so good at recognizing good advice.
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hearing the perspectives of those who obsess over this story no matter if youve been reading it for 20 years or 5 is so refreshing. were all better for it. thanks for recognizing that! the rising tide raises all ships
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I know that the valonqar prophecy eliminates the possibility of Gendry being Cersei and Robert's child, but nevertheless I think George still flirts with the possibility anyway. In this chapter, Gendry tells us that his mother had yellow hair and worked in an alehouse. Then later on in AFFC as Jaime stands guard over Tywin's corpse in the Sept, Cersei sneaks in to visit him dressed as a tavern wench. And while they're talking, she acknowledged she'd donned a similar disguise and snuck visits with him before. So if she has a history of disguising herself that way, whose to say that she couldn't have done so to covertly visit a son she gave up? It's like George is trolling us or something.
Yeah but we know Cercie took moon tea to get rid of all her children by Robert.
A very fitting introduction to Slint. Incompetent, looking for authority to shift responsibility, and a missing head :)
I mean he was asking for help because the population of the city increased dramatically with people of the tourney.
Things like this happen with Championship games for all sports in modern times.
@@wisdommanari6701 He was not asking for help, he was complaining how he could not do anything, In Stannis' POV at the wall there was quite an insight into Slint's leadership style. He was there because Baelish controlled him, not because of his competence
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"Stout, jowly Janos Slynt puffed himself up like an angry frog, his bald pate reddening. “Aegon the Dragon himself could not keep the peace, Lord Renly. I need more men.”
So you think he just rolled up to court to complain, but didn't at least think of a working strategy to make it easier on him? He had to at least be good at managing the men on a day to day basis because if he was truly that incompetent he'd be worthless to Littlefinger. He was smart enough to have key people in places to take care of unsavory tasks like killing bastards and to at least manage the rounds of the watch so his enemies would be killed before testifying against him.
And stannis just told us that he was corrupt and sold promotions that's not incompetence that's greed.
“Any of you, I would think. Even the cook.” The look the king gave Slynt was cold. “Janos was hardly the first gold cloak ever to take a bribe, I grant you, but he may have been the first commander to fatten his purse by selling places and promotions. By the end he must have had half the officers in the City Watch paying him part of their wages. Isn’t that so, Janos?”
He's a dick to Tyrion and on the take, corrupt and easy to buy. But as far as we see on page, not incompetent.
@@wisdommanari6701 Ok. I concede, replacing "incompetent" with "corrupt" will make more sense, though the coup was handled pretty badly and attempt of apprehending Ser Barriston does not speak well of sending right people in proper numbers to do the job
@@EPYHDA1 yeah oh Barristan... I was so upset with what they did to his character 😭
If they didn't send an army to get mf selmy the bold they would lose lol.... But yeah that is pretty incompetent he's a veteran kings guard...
It’s 3am and I’m currently in the hospital trying to put my son to sleep. “What are they doing here” was so hilarious that I literally LOL’d and re-woke my son thinking how I had those same exact thoughts so many years ago as I watched the show abandon rewarding character development for what seemed like action-based plot points on some rando’s fanfic outline. Thanks guys. This playlist is my favorite RUclips discovery this year bar none.
Stannis said that Robert would never believe it coming from his lips because of the conflict of interest. Stannis would look like he is just saying it in order to be the next in line to the throne
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Completely useless comment, but I wanted to say that while I haven't been commenting as I hadn't started the reread and haven't caught up yet, knowing that these are usually here Wednesday are a huge highlight that I look forward to and use as motivation go get through my 'Friday'. This is such a wonderful series you've tackled. Thank you for your warmth, time, and commitment. There's a reason you're one of my favorite content creators.
i can't count how many times i've rewatched seasons 1-5.............a few rewatches for 6-7............ once for season 8.
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Stannis wanted Jon to tell Robert because he figured it'd be too self serving if he said his wife was cheating and all his kids were bastards. Robert makes use of Stannis but there is no real love or trust there.
Granted I don't think we figure this out until Book two...
Lady stoneheart and Berric... Which is why I REALLY hate how unchanged Jon was by his death. Like I feel bad for all the Jon x Danny shippers, cuz yes berric has been killed multiple times but he never seems to eat or drink or sleep. I don't think um....certain physiological aspects of Jon will work when he comes back from the dead.
No offense Gray Lady but Gendry would be a terrible king. As far as we know he's not even literate. You have to be trained and cultivated into leadership, mentored and grow over time in wisdom and experience. Egg walked amongst the small folk and sought to make their lives easier and he got so much push back for it. Also remember the blackfyre rebellion too many people still see even legitimized bastards as bastards. Untrustworthy and inherently treacherous.
Kool re-read gray like always thankyou for your time, no one does it like you.
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I doubt Gendry knows how to rework valyrian steel, only because I believe in order to do so, you need to employ blood magic. Meaning Tobho Mott most likely had to sacrifice something, or someone, to reforge Ice into Oathkeeper & Widow's Wail.
And I just don't think he would want very many people knowing this little secret, but who knows
Anyone can rework it. Making it probably is a bit extra
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Possibly but, unless I'm misremembering, this is a very rare technique that very few(if any) outside of a select Qohori know about.
And iirc they kill anyone who knows(who's not supposed to) or lets out the secret
But it's been a while since I actually read "the world of ice of fire" so I could be wrong
I agree that Gendry probably doesn't know everything about reworking the steel, since he's a fairly young apprentice, but I think he knows some of what goes into it. Either way I think he'll learn through another source. And I think that source will be from Arya - I think there is a chance she comes across some things in the HOBAW that she either steals before she leaves or is given to her by them as I think the HOBAW have other intentions with Arya, or Arya ends up in Old Town and is given what Jaqen has stolen which is probably the Blood & Fire book which most likely would be a great Valyrian source overall. But like I said, I do think he'll learn it before the end regardless of how he receives the information. :)
I love that I have off on the days you post these. I get to have my morning coffee and deep dive with Lady Gray
stannis talks about why he left in one of davos chapters. Its because he was first slighted with storms end and then he wasn't given the job of being hand of the king. HE resented robert and left him to die.
Gray, considering the Nature vs. Nurture theory regarding the dynamic between Tyrion and Tywin, could Tyrion have simply learned to understand and emulate Tywin from a need to prove he was a Lannister for so many years, even if he really is a Targaryen? That dynamic could have formed by Tyrion always needing to prove he fit in as a son, whereas Jaime never had to prove anything to fit in.
Thank you great video.
Tyrion would still be a Lannister even if his father was the mad King.
Yeah, his parents were cousins. 1st cousins I think
He wouldn't be a Lannister he'd be a Hill.
As they Aerys and Tyrions mother weren't married, he would be a bastard
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I think tobho is not one of the last smiths to know how to rework valyrian steel. Blacksmiths in Qoohor are able to do it and Tobho learned it there (in the books, there is no mention of how many can do it). In the show, Tywin says that “there are only 3 living smiths who can reforge VS”.
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Tyrion would still be a Lannister even if Aerys II was his father. Joanna was Tywin's first cousin, thus a Lannister. Not to mention, he was raised by Tywin and the Lannisters, regardless, so he would still be a Lannister. He would also still be Tywin's son, because Tywin raised him. After all everyone still regards Jon as a Stark regardless of who his father is and they still regard Ned as his father. His mother was a Stark, Ned raised him as a Stark with Stark values. It can be the same for Tyrion too. Blood is not more important than how someone is raised.
I was always disappointed that King Robert kept his plans to make Goffery Ned’s ward an inconsistentancy in the entire storey
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my head cannon is that Tobo Moot didn't melt down Ice to forge Oathkeeper and that royal Snot's sword, just said he did and kept Ned's sword in one piece since it was a masterpiece and it would have been a blasphemy to damage it
Show Theory - The 4 Dragons in the S8 Opening Credits represent..... Queen Daenerys Targaryen - Samwell "Tar"ly (Rhaegar and Lyanna's son Aegon Targaryen - Eddison Tollett (Rhaegar and Elia Martell''s son Aegon Targaryen - Tyrion Lannister (Aery's II Bastard)... House of the Dragon - A Dream of Spring
I missed the notification for this but I wanted to say terimah kasih and great video! I've got some questions about how the Targaryens are viewed in Indonesia. I'll save them for after I watch the video.
The Tullys are definitely unfit to rule, so are the Starks, except maybe Sansa, and the Lannisters are too drunk to know what they're doing. The Martell family is oblivious. Actually, the only two families who would really have enough intelligence to have lasting legacies are the Manderly and Frey families. I think the others would have extinguished themselves after a few generations.
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Wow she is super new to the fandom! I caught up on Dexter & Thrones years ago while feeding a newborn also! I still laugh thinking about it! At least the show was entertaining until season 8, it took effort & talent to make it to THAT level of a beautiful dumpster fire!
I bought my kid GoT onesies so that we watched while i was feeding. This make me so happy to see others doing similar things ☺
*edit. My kid wore the onesie while we "watched" (he ate and got milk drunk lol)
@@sillygirlkc I felt bad watching such dark shows but this was at 2, 3, 4, & 5 am so I was binging! This was a long while ago for me, so Thrones was in the first 3 seasons!
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Would King Ned Stark be worse than King Robert Baratheon?
Yes, but only because I don't think he could be as flexible as one needs to be to rule in the south.
I agree with what she was saying in an ideal world where corruption and greed isn't so powerful Ned would be a great king. But for this story, nah. He's is way too rigid.
@@VirgoVyrus Well if you moved the seat of power from King's Landing to Winterfell, would that make the difference? I mean as long as you're in the South you're always going to be out of your element as a Stark, but if you shifted your Capital and your power-base to the North, maybe that changes things
@@edinscot56789 I mean... The south is where most of the population is as well as the majority of the food production in the country. I'm not saying it'd be impossible but I really don't see how he'd be able to extend control and influence over the country. The North is still seen as a separate entity largely because of the distance between them and kings landing.
@@wisdommanari6701 The North is meant to be Scotland I think. When Scotland joined the Union the Scottish (now British) kings had to rule from London, which King's Landing basically is in that universe, so good point
Hey! Why was the intro missing??
The only thing I don't like about Tyrion is a Targ theory is that we've got Aegon/or fAegon and Jon Snow already. Too many.
Hey Gray can you please make a video about Robert’s son (forgot his name) the one that Stannis wanted to burn. Where do you see is story going vs Gendry’s. Thanks
I was into Skyrim game and that game led me into finding the books that GRRM wrote because the game showed so many similar places and names. And so I read and re-read ASOIAF. I have to say GoT tv show was special until... I think Tyrion is actually the only true born son of Tywin. So where is Gendry? Edric Storm?
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Tyrion is still a Lannister even if he isn't Tywin's son....
if I am not mistaken aren't Joanna and Tywin related? cousin?!? Her father was a Lanister so Tyrion could still be clever from the Lanister side and be a secret Targ. I am still not convinced Aeryes isn't his father
Same. The timeline actually correlates with this possibility of Tyrion being Aerys' too as opposed to the people who think Cersei and Jaime are Aerys' kids, which from what we know doesn't make much sense. Also during the time Tyrion could have been conceived, something dramatically changed in Tywin's and Aerys' fraught relationship enough for Tywin to try to quit being Hand, which is something considering he was already putting up enough of Aerys' crap already. That combined with all of the dragon imagery and Tyrion's dragon dreams, ect. makes me think he's definitely part Targaryen. However I don't believe it will be confirmed one way or another in the story.
He'd be a Hill not a Lannister
@@wisdommanari6701 Yeah he would technically be a bastard, but that doesn't make him any less Lannister on his mother's side and any less Targaryen on his father's side. Being a bastard doesn't negate genetics or how someone is nurtured among other things.
@@rianbeegles3349 you got him there, lol!
Whatever stanis's reasons are he still failed to do his duty to his brother which goes against everything else people said about him. This should raise a huge red flag for ned and for us as reader's. Grey maybe on to something wondering id melisandra had something to do with it...when did he meet Mel anyways? There's no mention of her in kingslanding and it seems he had just left to dragonstone so how did she dig into such a stoney man so fast????
Uh... He tried to get Jon Arryn someone Robert trusted to tell him. Jon then insisted on conducting his own investigation to gather more evidence. When he died Stannis decided to leave. He was convinced his brother would not believe him and that he too would be killed.
He was also probably throwing himself a pity party when Robert didn't chose him as hand lmao.
Be aware of the families mention in this chapter
Lann the clever
Lysa's son bastard
Robert bastard children
George sly Robert Arryn for a reason, all this families had women passing children as true born
Say what you want about Janos but I wouldn't want his job
Can you imagine being in charge of the city watch of MF Kingslanding?! Screw that
@@wisdommanari6701 I remember the scene where even the Lannister soldiers Arya runs into described it as the worst place in the world, and King's Landing is practically their home turf outside of Casterly Rock
@@edinscot56789 exactly nah man, I'll guard Old Town, or even Lord's Port in Pike than Kingslanding. Smh
@@wisdommanari6701 Hell, in that world I'd want to be Hot Pie. Just stay in the kitchen baking and making food all day and stay out of everyone else's business. Grow old fat and happy.
Books are way bettet
Kat trusted Littlefinger and was stupid in taking Tyrion prisoner so........?
She had no reason to doubt Peter Baelish. She knew him from a young age and he loved her enough to fight a duel for her. She thought of him as a brother. If someone you trusted told you that someone tried to kill your son, someone that had never before demonstrated any suspicious activity you would also take their word for it. That's how betrayal works.
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