VW id4 has a wear problem, too. Mine has left rear inside wear and choppy at 20,000 miles. Replaced with michelin symmetry all 4 same size so i can rotate. Have rotated once. You can see wearing still. Alignment in vw specs.
Regarding alignment with the adjustable rear camber arms: is this something that a corporate-type shop would adjust? I know a designated alignment shop is generally best but, in my town, Firestone is the best available and they only do "factory settings". I like (and have plenty of experience) doing the work myself and tend to continually modify my cars, so the lifetime alignment thing at Firestone is always very attractive...
@@zevcentric yes mainly highway miles but the ps4 is an exceptional tire and the m3 seems to go pretty easy on tires IMO. I have just purchased a set of eagle F1 asymmetric 6 to replace them so I’ll see how long they last
My coworker just got rid of his Model 3 (bought new less than a year ago), he said that he was forced to replaced all tires twice with just 11k miles. He said that Tesla requires low profile tires which are over 300$ each - fuel savings gone.
@@TomGaspar-yg9pf I changed mine at 50,000miles and sold them as second hand because they still had some life left. Driving style is the number one predictor of tire life so your mate will only get 11000 out of a set on his ice car too
@@paulsimpson8990 I do not believe it was a driving style, he and his wife are mature and calm people. It was mostly mountain driving in NE PA. A lot of turns, a lot of angles.
Thanks for all the great info. I have a 2019 model S. Does the rear eccentric adjustable rear camber bushings have enough adjustment to fix the problem? Does the Model S have the lateral link bushing problems? When I went to Mountain Pass they only showed bushings for the model X and Y.
@@X-22CamRS-SS-RS there are no camber eccentrics, only toe. We have another video for the P1 model s and x. You need camber arms. The S and X front lower arm bushings last much longer then the 3 and Y.
My Tesla model x has a vibration problem when turning/acclerating. at highway speeds the steering yoke shakes like it just drank a gallon of coffee lol. discount tire told me the back two tires are out of balance that the numbers were rated at 60 something. so Tesla gave me two new rear tires. I still feel the vibration/shaking though just less. Can you help me figure out a solution? I know it can be many things, but you sound very knowledgeable
The Michelin AS4 are ok, they are slightly undersized and will have a stretched look to them also they aren't an EV specific tire. The Hankook are an EV specific tire with foam in them. They come equipped on the Performance Model Y now out of the factory. The Hankook Ion EVO AS is currently the best tire on the market for EVs. They ride fairly good and are pretty quiet. Hankook has a 50k miles warranty
I would advise looking for reviews online. The product is pretty new to us so we don't have a ton of feedback as yet but from what I've heard they have been great.
That's quite peculiar to be honest. The issue isn't exclusive to the wheel diameter. There must have been something else that was done to help the situation like an alignment I'd imagine.
@@zevcentric I bought performance wheels and tires from a friend and went to a tire shop to changed them. The original rear tires were replaced at 22,000 miles due to uneven wear, but the performance rear tires were fine until 40,000 miles. The front tires last much longer.
@@jordanpack5571these are street cars with all season tires but regardless our CG is so low we will still our corner most things on the road. If the tires are wearing unevenly that means you arent using the whole tire anyway. We run camber at the track to promote even tire wear but again these are street cars that dont see those loads.
My model y bushings were at 50k and replaced today with the MPPs on the laterals and the white line poly bushings in the compliance arms and the results are… well, like actually getting the burger in the picture. I was concerned about nvh and while you do hear the road surface more, what’s crazy impressive is you can feel the energy from bumps being channeled into the dampers (where it belongs) and it just vanishes; a legit net loss of reverberating energy; whereas stock rubber bushings were basically a bouncy ball, trapping and releasing energy into the car (and you) many times per bump. I had much less driver fatigue during a long trip home. The dampers doing their job is strangely satisfying ngl… But then there’s the actual icing on the cake: responsiveness, turn precision, feel, and feedback are night and day improvements. I’d also imagine braking distance and panic steering/control to be significantly better with the tires rolling in agreement rather than deflecting, but I have not (and may not) test this. 10/10 recommended mod and shop 👏👏
I don’t believe the 2024 has this issue. Does your cousin have curb rash…bc it appears so. That’ll definitely cause the tow or camber to be out of alignment
they did start getting better in 2023 and 2024 but we see this all the time regardless of curbs or not. We have checked them right out of the factory as well. There is slop in all of the rear arms so no 2 tesla come off the line with the same alignments.
There’s some other silly things I say in several of the videos. Only guys that you will pick up on those innuendos though. Lol. I still remember the sticker on your spoiler
Hi just a quick question, do you have a shop that I could bring my tesla for this issue and replacement of shocks too. Or do you know some shop that you could recommend for this job. I’m in San Jose area .. thanks !!
@@jayche2444 very few have been successful with that pursuit and you will end up with the same issue again anyway since they don’t offer an upgraded bushing part.
It's not a warrenty issue. If the manufacturer has a camber setup that creates this ware pattern then it's within spec. The tire warrenty does not apply due to the manufacturer camber spec being what it is. Its not uneven ware. Should the camber be this way from factory? Yes. Yes it should. This vehicle was tested for saftey at many levels, and this camber setting was part of that. Has anyone put the vehicle through the same saftey test with the adjusted camber settings? Can you definitely say the results will be identical? Getting tire ware to be more even is good on the wallet, however is it good in case of emergency maneuvering or handling? Before you decide to modify any part to a vehicles suspension system you need to consider this variable. For the model Y, it could have been chosen to help metigate rollover events...that's just an idea. Hydroplaning and sliding sideways is another. Hard cornering and loss of grip causing sliding.
he is likely referring to bushing wear being covered under warranty. Secondly, camber arms are not adjustable from Tesla so they cant fix the problem regardless. Thirdly, the oem camber is not within Teslas own camber specs so that argument is moot. We have to install these arms to get it to the optimal middle of the spec. The CG is so low that correcting for this camber will not cause this vehicle to roll over. Lastly, tesla has huge variations in alignment from the factory. Some are ok, many are not. It is not consistent. Hope that info is helpful. We are upgrading these items to get the vehicle into its optimal alignment values as indicated by Tesla.
it's not intentionally set up that way. BMW's, Audis, Mercedes also have these issues on performance models. In this case each of the rear control arms has a little bit of play in them for each bolt. Some Y's have the issue some don't. It's not on all of them.
⚠️ Those bushings are tearing because of how stiff the suspension is and how rough the ride is on bad roads. It's even worse with the larger Uberturbine wheels. It's unacceptable that suspension parts should need to be replaced after 30k! Things may be different with the so-called comfort suspension introduced on the 2023 models.
The bushings aren’t ripping because of the stiff suspension. We swap to softer suspension all the time and the issue remains. It is a result of the softness/mold of the rubber in conjunction with the weight/instant torque. They were much quicker and dual motor versus a single. If these bushings were in the opposite planes then the problem would be greatly reduced. The lateral link wears from turning and the compliance from vertical movements. Fortunately our vehicles have virtually no maintenance and if you get upgraded parts they will last.
VW id4 has a wear problem, too. Mine has left rear inside wear and choppy at 20,000 miles. Replaced with michelin symmetry all 4 same size so i can rotate. Have rotated once. You can see wearing still. Alignment in vw specs.
Any suggestions for a more cost effective solution for the rear knuckle bushings? Both rear knuckles have play now.
Regarding alignment with the adjustable rear camber arms: is this something that a corporate-type shop would adjust? I know a designated alignment shop is generally best but, in my town, Firestone is the best available and they only do "factory settings".
I like (and have plenty of experience) doing the work myself and tend to continually modify my cars, so the lifetime alignment thing at Firestone is always very attractive...
You gotta ask them.
Great video, very helpful!
50,000 miles and still on my original ps4 tires on my model 3. No uneven wear
Sounds like highway miles. You should still get under there and inspector bushings, as well as the insides of your tires to make sure.
@@zevcentric yes mainly highway miles but the ps4 is an exceptional tire and the m3 seems to go pretty easy on tires IMO. I have just purchased a set of eagle F1 asymmetric 6 to replace them so I’ll see how long they last
My coworker just got rid of his Model 3 (bought new less than a year ago), he said that he was forced to replaced all tires twice with just 11k miles. He said that Tesla requires low profile tires which are over 300$ each - fuel savings gone.
@@TomGaspar-yg9pf I changed mine at 50,000miles and sold them as second hand because they still had some life left. Driving style is the number one predictor of tire life so your mate will only get 11000 out of a set on his ice car too
@@paulsimpson8990 I do not believe it was a driving style, he and his wife are mature and calm people. It was mostly mountain driving in NE PA. A lot of turns, a lot of angles.
Thanks for all the great info. I have a 2019 model S. Does the rear eccentric adjustable rear camber bushings have enough adjustment
to fix the problem? Does the Model S have the lateral link bushing problems? When I went to Mountain Pass they only showed
bushings for the model X and Y.
@@X-22CamRS-SS-RS there are no camber eccentrics, only toe. We have another video for the P1 model s and x. You need camber arms. The S and X front lower arm bushings last much longer then the 3 and Y.
My Tesla model x has a vibration problem when turning/acclerating. at highway speeds the steering yoke shakes like it just drank a gallon of coffee lol. discount tire told me the back two tires are out of balance that the numbers were rated at 60 something. so Tesla gave me two new rear tires. I still feel the vibration/shaking though just less. Can you help me figure out a solution? I know it can be many things, but you sound very knowledgeable
@@CristienPerez sorry we cannot help with this. Whats your mileage?
Great info here. Who is the equivalent of you on the East Coast Rishie?
There is only one. lol. We just need Elon to release the "Optimus Rishie". hehe.
How are those tires compare to Michelin pilot all Season 4 255/45/19 on long range model y . How is the ride and road noise for those tire hankook.
The Michelin AS4 are ok, they are slightly undersized and will have a stretched look to them also they aren't an EV specific tire.
The Hankook are an EV specific tire with foam in them. They come equipped on the Performance Model Y now out of the factory. The Hankook Ion EVO AS is currently the best tire on the market for EVs. They ride fairly good and are pretty quiet. Hankook has a 50k miles warranty
I would advise looking for reviews online. The product is pretty new to us so we don't have a ton of feedback as yet but from what I've heard they have been great.
My 2021 Model Y Long Range with 20inch wheels had the same problem. I installed performance wheels and tires and the problem went away.
That's quite peculiar to be honest. The issue isn't exclusive to the wheel diameter. There must have been something else that was done to help the situation like an alignment I'd imagine.
@@zevcentric I bought performance wheels and tires from a friend and went to a tire shop to changed them. The original rear tires were replaced at 22,000 miles due to uneven wear, but the performance rear tires were fine until 40,000 miles. The front tires last much longer.
Does changing toe up front or camber in the back affect driving dynamics or performance metrics like acceleration or braking distances?
No. It all improves if put into proper spec
Yes cornering control will be worse. Your contact patch will be smaller.
@@jordanpack5571these are street cars with all season tires but regardless our CG is so low we will still our corner most things on the road. If the tires are wearing unevenly that means you arent using the whole tire anyway. We run camber at the track to promote even tire wear but again these are street cars that dont see those loads.
My model y bushings were at 50k and replaced today with the MPPs on the laterals and the white line poly bushings in the compliance arms and the results are… well, like actually getting the burger in the picture.
I was concerned about nvh and while you do hear the road surface more, what’s crazy impressive is you can feel the energy from bumps being channeled into the dampers (where it belongs) and it just vanishes; a legit net loss of reverberating energy; whereas stock rubber bushings were basically a bouncy ball, trapping and releasing energy into the car (and you) many times per bump.
I had much less driver fatigue during a long trip home.
The dampers doing their job is strangely satisfying ngl… But then there’s the actual icing on the cake: responsiveness, turn precision, feel, and feedback are night and day improvements. I’d also imagine braking distance and panic steering/control to be significantly better with the tires rolling in agreement rather than deflecting, but I have not (and may not) test this. 10/10 recommended mod and shop 👏👏
@@orbitaljellyfish808 thank you!!!!
Damn making me wanna go MPP
@@redGSRguy this is the way. zevcentric.com/collections/alignment-arms/products/mpp-rear-camber-arm-blue?variant=43231039258869
I don’t believe the 2024 has this issue. Does your cousin have curb rash…bc it appears so. That’ll definitely cause the tow or camber to be out of alignment
they did start getting better in 2023 and 2024 but we see this all the time regardless of curbs or not. We have checked them right out of the factory as well. There is slop in all of the rear arms so no 2 tesla come off the line with the same alignments.
All I heard watching this video was Rishie saying “get on your knees” 😂. Jk, good stuff as always gents.
There’s some other silly things I say in several of the videos. Only guys that you will pick up on those innuendos though. Lol. I still remember the sticker on your spoiler
Hi just a quick question, do you have a shop that I could bring my tesla for this issue and replacement of shocks too. Or do you know some shop that you could recommend for this job. I’m in San Jose area .. thanks !!
we sure do. Please email us zevcetric@gmail.com zevcentric.com/
What about Phoenix arizona? @@zevcentric
@@dalea4350yes I have a place. Whats your mileage?
I watch all your videos. I'm in nyc, do you have/know a shop in nyc? Preferably in brooklyn
Do you know any shop here in Bay Area ?
Does the warranty cover these problems?
Not likely
whats the total cost to get this done?
@@somedudeonyoutoob are you in the Bay Area?
Shouldn't this be covered by warranty?
@@jayche2444 very few have been successful with that pursuit and you will end up with the same issue again anyway since they don’t offer an upgraded bushing part.
It's not a warrenty issue. If the manufacturer has a camber setup that creates this ware pattern then it's within spec. The tire warrenty does not apply due to the manufacturer camber spec being what it is. Its not uneven ware.
Should the camber be this way from factory? Yes. Yes it should. This vehicle was tested for saftey at many levels, and this camber setting was part of that. Has anyone put the vehicle through the same saftey test with the adjusted camber settings? Can you definitely say the results will be identical? Getting tire ware to be more even is good on the wallet, however is it good in case of emergency maneuvering or handling? Before you decide to modify any part to a vehicles suspension system you need to consider this variable. For the model Y, it could have been chosen to help metigate rollover events...that's just an idea. Hydroplaning and sliding sideways is another. Hard cornering and loss of grip causing sliding.
he is likely referring to bushing wear being covered under warranty. Secondly, camber arms are not adjustable from Tesla so they cant fix the problem regardless. Thirdly, the oem camber is not within Teslas own camber specs so that argument is moot. We have to install these arms to get it to the optimal middle of the spec. The CG is so low that correcting for this camber will not cause this vehicle to roll over. Lastly, tesla has huge variations in alignment from the factory. Some are ok, many are not. It is not consistent. Hope that info is helpful. We are upgrading these items to get the vehicle into its optimal alignment values as indicated by Tesla.
Why would Tesla set them up this way?
it's not intentionally set up that way. BMW's, Audis, Mercedes also have these issues on performance models. In this case each of the rear control arms has a little bit of play in them for each bolt. Some Y's have the issue some don't. It's not on all of them.
hankook over continental come on 🤣😂
Absolutely for lifespan on T0 spec if that’s important. All depends on your needs/criteria.
Yes. Hankook over Continental.
@@bbelkaseattle
😂😂
⚠️ Those bushings are tearing because of how stiff the suspension is and how rough the ride is on bad roads. It's even worse with the larger Uberturbine wheels. It's unacceptable that suspension parts should need to be replaced after 30k! Things may be different with the so-called comfort suspension introduced on the 2023 models.
The bushings aren’t ripping because of the stiff suspension. We swap to softer suspension all the time and the issue remains. It is a result of the softness/mold of the rubber in conjunction with the weight/instant torque. They were much quicker and dual motor versus a single. If these bushings were in the opposite planes then the problem would be greatly reduced. The lateral link wears from turning and the compliance from vertical movements. Fortunately our vehicles have virtually no maintenance and if you get upgraded parts they will last.
Tesla has poor suspension design. It was not designed for comfort and longevity.
Can anybody help a non-native English speaker with the 'camber' pronunciation, I have heard two versions.😂
Cam as in camera
Ber as in brrrrrr it’s cold