SO SO SO glad I found your channel. Me, my wife and kids currently attend a UPC and had NO idea about all their doctrinal and theological differences and errors until VERY recently. We were basically ambushed into a meeting and were asked what we thought about the Trinity, told we believe in 3 different Gods which CLEARLY isn’t the case, told that they would like us to to be in leadership but my wife CANT continue wearing pants in church AND outside of church. This is just the TIP of what we’ve been seeing so far. Everything started out perfectly fine when we joined 2 years ago and I actually grew up in a Pentecostal church but I never knew their actual doctrine until I started studying the Word for myself‼️
Thanks again Deanna for the opportunity to share! Appreciate your channel and all you do as you have already and will continue to help many who will come into contact with your genuine work. Blessings sis! 🤜🏾🤛🏼
Thank you so much Aurelio! Blessings to you as well, I enjoyed our conversation. I appreciate your channel as well; great content that has and will continue to help so many.
I'm so glad I took time to hear this video! I still struggle with how people have shunned me and hiw the leader said things about me to get others not to speak to me. That's my reputation that he ruined amongst that circle. And sadly, nothing was done other than, me telling him in a meeting that I didn't agree about not trimming hair. He yelled at me for trimming my daughter's hair. He went off big time on me. He said, "didn't the church you ame from teach you anything?!" He was basically talking down to me and telling I was dumb. I told him what I read in the scriptures and told him you can't just read that verse about the headcocering, but you need to read further. And I quoted the verse to him. And he looked fit to be tied. He went and discussed other topics like the TV and watching movies. All the while sounding upset with me. I left feeling down and attacked. I told my mom about it and she said, "oh, he just loves and cares about your soul." I thought to myself, "I'd hate to see what he'd do if he hated me!" Lol! My mo just tried to smooth it out by telling me he is just watching out for me. But I saw and felt that he was being abusive with me. My mom is still under the impression that I committed some sin at church, because he said I did. This is such craziness and nonsense. I told her God knows of I did commit the shared offense. Anyways, thank ulyou for your channel and for having Aurelio on. Alot of what he said hit home for me and my family. God bless and keep you.
Excellent interview. We had similar experiences when we left one year ago. Our desire was to honor our leadership and bring our concerns to our pastor. When we did so, we were directed to not speak to anyone else about it, and even had him forbid friends to spend time with us during that season. My husband was also told during one of the meetings that “you and your wife may survive attending a non-UPC church, but your children never will.” The fear and manipulation is so rampant in that organization, and my heart aches for the friends who are still there. We also had a service held about us after we left that wasn’t streamed online. When my husband reached out to his previous mentor about it and said “you know me personally- you know that’s not true”, his mentor blew it off by saying “we didn’t use names!” Direction was given to the church to not associate with us, as we were “predators, and weak minded.” The beauty of the gospel is something I will be forever grateful for. The resources provided by DeAnna Jo’s channel, as well as the Keeping It In Context one, have been so encouraging for us as we continue to grow in our walk. Following Christ instead of man is the most rewarding thing I have ever had the privilege of doing. Keep up the good work!
Thank God for bringing you out. I will always have a soft spot for my former apostolic church. However, I can't stand by their heresy. The focus is less on Christ and the actual gospel, and more on their works and spiritual gifts. So many well intentioned people are spreading a false Gospel. I will never stop praying for them. I will never stop praying that God opens up their eyes to his word.
But, here’s the thing: they believe they ARE following the word. Some of the scriptures they base their “beliefs/standards” on seem more clearer to me. Especially now that I’ve watched these videos and I think Ralph’s videos(not sure if that’s the right guy or not). One scripture comes to mind: 2 Corinthians 6:17. I’m seeing that particular scripture to mean come out of the actual worldly ways and be separate: stop the lying, cheating stealing, etc. Have a changed mind, lifestyle, attitude, etc. Not separate like the Pentecostal/ Apostolic movement.
Deanna- what you said at 42:20 is GOLD. Anyone who has lived in or been in a shaming environment (church, marriage, family) will struggle with guilt and fear 😰. They might have difficulty recognizing the negative feeling as conviction from the Holy Spirit or internal shame.
What surprised me was when I started reading and listening to trinitarians explain the godhead they used the same scriptures oneness people used. They also start with the same basic premise that there is one God. And then to think back to all the times I've heard it said they believe in three gods, that is very misrepresenting. Great interview! Very articulate! He thoroughly explains what he questioned and why. This only happens when someone honestly tries to verify things they have been taught and experienced.
And one of the Ten Commandments is:”Thou shall not bear false witness” seems that’s implicated saying Pentecostal Trinitarians believe in 3 gods /not true at all...I strive to alert Oneness Christians Trinitarians believe in One GOD for the sake of unity in the Body Of Christ Jesus ...I understand both Godhead doctrines.In fact some of our fellow Jewish Messianic Bible Torah Brethren Believers New Testament refer to the Godhead as “Compound Unity”...Jesus came to show us The Father...Just dialoguing
Yes, so many things! How bout the answers when you have chronic illness and are never healed? Even with me doing everything I knew to be right, my ex husband left my child and I. Why was I the one to blame? Amazing how C-vid season woke up so many people! I had so much time to dwell on my questions and without the pressures of attending anywhere I felt so much lighter and doing studying with my child and then finding this channel it all clicked into place!
Never forget “Responsible Faith” you are “911 in the Holy Ghost”answering Spiritual Emergency phone calls/Preventing Spiritual Suicide ...GOD bless you Deanna Jo for your dedication in Christ Jesus.❤
I think the truth of the matter is, these "pastors" like the one Aurelio describes here, are terrified of people like him. That is why they attack people like him.
One of my former pastors(UPC) used to tell us not to speak badly about the Baptist church down the road from us because "they love God just as much as we do". It really bothered me that the UPC taught they were the ones with the truth and every other denomination was deceived and would be lost unless they converted and believed just like "us". I couldn't understand how a good and loving God would allow these other denominations to believe in Him, love Him, and serve Him to the best of their ability with the way they understood scripture and then on judgement day He says "surprise, you are going to hell even though you thought you were saved!" It just never made sense to me!
This was an amazing interview! Thank you both for sharing. Just when I think I couldn’t like another video as much as the last one, this one takes me by surprise and is a quick favorite! I am now a subscriber to your RUclips channel, Aurelio, and look forward to checking it out as I’m almost finished with Deanna’s videos. 😊
When I left the church, I was preached about over pulpit about taking my daughter out of church cutting our hair, wearing pants the other kids would tell her she was going to Hell for it, then years later I’m still being preached about . I’m the reason my daughter is gay because I took her out of church. Thanks so much for sharing
I am so glad I found this on You Tube. I have been out of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ for about 10 years...I have struggled..more in the past 3 years. There are times I think of going back, but I don't want to. I want to trust church people and church, but I have a hard time. Trying to get it together.
Thanks for this interview I have been watching his channel and didn’t know his back ground by the way thanks for your channel it was the first channel I watched that got me interested in these church issues and what the Bible says about things I was never taught growing up keep up the great work and God bless!
The hardest thing for me to heal from is the beauty of grace! STILL a process for me. So sad that grace has been trampled by the cult of elite religion. 💔
I've been through it all too. So much extreme pain and caught off guard. A direct assault from the pulpit. My pastor said I needed to be stripped naked or burn in hell. That's extreme.😢 However I am so glad I ran out of those doors. It took about twelve years to heal from the false guilt. Looking back I'm so glad God moved me out of that UCP church and set me free. JESUS loves us and sees everything. I was snubbed for a few years.
So much great content. The standards (laws) of the Pentecostal Church were not hard for me to overcome after I walked out of the culture. This was because (1) they are not Biblical and (2) they make no sense…and the farther I get from them the less sense they make. My hang-up was the Oneness theology; it is a subtle, nuanced twisting of perspective that is hard to reorient after decades of brainwashing and reinforcement through falsely contextualizing scripture. The cognitive dissonance one experiences when truth is discovered can be overwhelming and P.T.S.D. is common among “backsliders.” What he kept emphasizing was study of the Word. Far too many rely on the pulpit to tell them what to believe and the Sunday night shout to save them for one more week, providing their tithe has been paid. I enjoyed the interview and identified with much of what he said. I am looking forward to the next video.
The thing about different standards at different churches are you always feel like you are living in sun or judging others because they didn’t have high standards like you did. Then stricter church got stricter & refused to socialize with other churches. It just never ended! And you couldn’t do anything without asking the pastor & getting his blessing.
I was raised ONENESS- and married outside my faith to a trinitarian minister, who pastored Trinity Baptist Church. Imagine all the backlash I got going in that direction lol.
@1:04:46 “3 levels of hell” hmmm 🤔 sounds somebody’s been reading Dante’s Inferno instead of the Bible 😂. Loved this interview! Will definitely check out his channel!
The UPCI church I grew up at was in and out of upc because of not wanting to pay dues and because one year the pastor wanted to have a tv. Narcissitic ministry as a description fits this church well. Only some people were expected to follow the standards and some weren’t. I was expected to follow it. Dysfunctional and controlling is the perfect way to describe this church. Really can relate to the spiritual abuse discussion.
I'm sorry you had to experience a toxic situation like that. Spiritual abuse is way more common than it should be. That's why I believe it's important for people to realize that pastors are not God's right hand men and that it's ok to use discernment with them. The idea that they always know best and are hearing directly from God about everything has caused believers a lot of problems. You can respect and love your pastor, while still assessing his behavior and teaching.
The judgemental mentality has scarred me badly. Coming from independent apostolic pentecostal church... We were the only ones who were right and others were sincerely wrong. Deep down I always had reservations about certain things like assuming a woman wearing pants didn't know the truth. It's terrible the junk I have to work through mentally. Been out now for a month plus a week or so. Searching for a new home church and unlearning so much
It's ok to search for what you need. It's ok to go to church, a church you feel is your truth. So important to trust yourself. You have truth in you. Your truth. Stay strong, you are not alone💜
I left in 1980, so have been out a long time. I have decided no where feels right, but I have spent over 40 years now having periods of time that I feel like I am waking up from being brainwashed or having to write things out to decide what are my personal beliefs and what are things that I was taught that I no longer truly believe.
Tamara, I hope you found a good church, if you haven't found a church yet you may want to check out Calvary Chapel churches. They are great teaching churches. Happy that the Lord has opened your eyes, bless you my sister.
Aurelio is ready to open up his own Spiritual Emergency Room for Services Of all denominational backgrounds those hurting from legalistic cultic side effects/ Dr. Warrior your help is needed...Sending GOD’s Blessings
Wow sorry I read the comments. I'm glad I'm not the only one...I ran into the wilderness I will stay their. 💯 keeping personal a relationship with Chirst. I left the upc 20 years ago. But I still go back just to visit. Maybe 2 to 4 times a year. Just because of the narcissist to see if their still controlling their congregation.
This video had 66 likes on it. Made sure to remedy that real quick :). Such a great interview. Congrats on your freedom, Aurelio! I can't believe your pastor thinks he's going to hick people out of Heaven. As if God would allow that. Smh.
Deanna, please permit me to mention that I debate cults here in the UK - over the telephone and then place the dialogues online here on RUclips. I have about 100 Oneness discussions, I used to be Oneness briefly myself back in the late 1980s. Most of my work now deals with Jehovah's Witnesses, I have 1,825 telephone / zoom discussion videos where I estimate that I've covered about 80-90% of all the Kingdom Halls here in the UK.
Jesus died on cross for our salvation.He said it is finished . Nothing we can do ,other than believing we are saved by grace,can take that away or change me being saved I feel so sorry for the beautiful people that think they can save themselves thru clothing and ect
Yeah, the whole “dress code”: I’m in what you’d call “an absolute church”; skirts down to ankle, gotta wear panty hose or knee highs at all times(even in your own home), long sleeves at all times, high neck lines, no high hair, no wearing your hair down(in church or outside of church). If your a young girl, it’s up to individual or parents. It’s crazy. I wear what I want in my home. And the whole: even when you’re on vacation, you conduct yourself as if you’re in church. Wear the same type of clothes, hair up, etc. for fear of God and losing your witness: 😳🤦♀️ The “man of God” has the “power to bless/curse”: another fear tactic. These videos are real eye opening. The whole scripture “study to show thy self approved” has taken on a whole new meaning to me. The more I listen, the more I realize I’ve been “brainwashed”….🤔😱🤨😭 So then what’s the point for Acts 2:38 ? Who was Peter addressing if not ALL of us?
The root of it all speaking out is : FREEDOM/ been set free by The WORD of GOD/not under bondage by man made traditions/like legalism...Back in Biblical Times circumcision was debated among Believers (the law) but now it’s our heart that’s circumcised .
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
As far as the Godhead doctrine I understand both Oneness and Trinity but lean more towards Trinity (still One GOD) because I have a personal relationship with my Heavenly Holy ABBA Father through my Mediator Redeemer King Jesus Yeshua because of the Born-again Promise Scripture Acts2:38 The Gift Of Holy Ghost my leader teacher revealer guide and conviction. When I was attending UPC for 6yrs I never heard Preaching on The Father (that’s why UPC was recognized as “Jesus Only”. But Yeshua Jesus came to show us The Father.I have been attending Assembly Of GOD (non denomination) church the Young Associate Pastor baptizes in Jesus Name freedom in The Holy Ghost/immensely anointed power pack preaching. The Senior Pastor is so godly gracious he’s even invited a UPC Pastor to preach and a Baptist Minister to preach also. Altar calls are always open, encouraged and welcome. I love the anointing atmosphere attendance ...Just dialoguing
Taking the mark of the beast and refusing to accept Christ Jesus as LORD and Savior GOD in flesh is a prime candidate for hellbound...Believe He died for your sins/He paid the price on Calvary’s Cross with His Holy Shed Blood And Jesus is the Only Begotten Son Of GOD /He’s not an Angel/ Angels were created/Jesus existed before the foundation of the world/He was in the bosom of The Father(John1:18)...The fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Him...Just dialoguing/Thank you Deanna Jo for your spiritual lifesaving Ministry.GOD’s Blessings
I think I have some people confused about me and my beliefs. I am very anti telling anyone what to believe. My husband's sister and her family spent years as missionaries in West Africa and the middle East and it never sat well with me that part of their work was telling the people they came into contact with that their beliefs were not good enough, they needed to believe like the Southern Baptists. I have had discussions with cousins about how that no one has the right to tell another that their beliefs are not good enough and have pointed out to them that I was raised to believe that no matter how often they attended church that my cousins were going to hell because they weren't UPC. It is a total turn off to me to have people trotting out their religion, love of God, etc. in everything they do as they go through their day. In my opinion, just live your life as a good person, don't smash your beliefs over others heads as you do it!
I had gotten into touch with a person I remembered from my days in the UPC and she had been run out of the church, but then she tried pulling the Oneness card on me and I told her we didn't have the right to judge and it wasn't long and she wanted nothing to do with me!
They aren't prophesying, they are discussing. Look iup the definition of prophesying and you will see. If you don't agree with this channel, don't watch it. Start your own channel if you can defend what you believe and have your own guests. You are not being Christlike and prove the point that UPC people can many times be rude, judgemental etc. Fruits of the spirit are something you may want to study. If I were a fruit inspector, I would call yours rotten from your comments.
But they’re not prophesying. Just sharing their experiences. In love, If they are in error, instead of condemning them, how about you enlighten us on what the Scriptures say and how they are wrong in what they said? Love on us the way these two are trying to love on those who have been hurt by Pharisee behavior.
SO SO SO glad I found your channel. Me, my wife and kids currently attend a UPC and had NO idea about all their doctrinal and theological differences and errors until VERY recently.
We were basically ambushed into a meeting and were asked what we thought about the Trinity, told we believe in 3 different Gods which CLEARLY isn’t the case, told that they would like us to to be in leadership but my wife CANT continue wearing pants in church AND outside of church. This is just the TIP of what we’ve been seeing so far.
Everything started out perfectly fine when we joined 2 years ago and I actually grew up in a Pentecostal church but I never knew their actual doctrine until I started studying the Word for myself‼️
Thanks again Deanna for the opportunity to share! Appreciate your channel and all you do as you have already and will continue to help many who will come into contact with your genuine work. Blessings sis! 🤜🏾🤛🏼
Thank you so much Aurelio! Blessings to you as well, I enjoyed our conversation. I appreciate your channel as well; great content that has and will continue to help so many.
I'm so glad I took time to hear this video! I still struggle with how people have shunned me and hiw the leader said things about me to get others not to speak to me. That's my reputation that he ruined amongst that circle. And sadly, nothing was done other than, me telling him in a meeting that I didn't agree about not trimming hair. He yelled at me for trimming my daughter's hair. He went off big time on me. He said, "didn't the church you ame from teach you anything?!" He was basically talking down to me and telling I was dumb. I told him what I read in the scriptures and told him you can't just read that verse about the headcocering, but you need to read further. And I quoted the verse to him. And he looked fit to be tied. He went and discussed other topics like the TV and watching movies. All the while sounding upset with me. I left feeling down and attacked. I told my mom about it and she said, "oh, he just loves and cares about your soul." I thought to myself, "I'd hate to see what he'd do if he hated me!" Lol! My mo just tried to smooth it out by telling me he is just watching out for me. But I saw and felt that he was being abusive with me. My mom is still under the impression that I committed some sin at church, because he said I did. This is such craziness and nonsense. I told her God knows of I did commit the shared offense.
Anyways, thank ulyou for your channel and for having Aurelio on. Alot of what he said hit home for me and my family. God bless and keep you.
So sorry for what you've gone through. I'm glad this video encouraged you.
Excellent interview. We had similar experiences when we left one year ago. Our desire was to honor our leadership and bring our concerns to our pastor. When we did so, we were directed to not speak to anyone else about it, and even had him forbid friends to spend time with us during that season. My husband was also told during one of the meetings that “you and your wife may survive attending a non-UPC church, but your children never will.” The fear and manipulation is so rampant in that organization, and my heart aches for the friends who are still there.
We also had a service held about us after we left that wasn’t streamed online. When my husband reached out to his previous mentor about it and said “you know me personally- you know that’s not true”, his mentor blew it off by saying “we didn’t use names!” Direction was given to the church to not associate with us, as we were “predators, and weak minded.”
The beauty of the gospel is something I will be forever grateful for. The resources provided by DeAnna Jo’s channel, as well as the Keeping It In Context one, have been so encouraging for us as we continue to grow in our walk. Following Christ instead of man is the most rewarding thing I have ever had the privilege of doing. Keep up the good work!
Thank God for bringing you out. I will always have a soft spot for my former apostolic church. However, I can't stand by their heresy. The focus is less on Christ and the actual gospel, and more on their works and spiritual gifts. So many well intentioned people are spreading a false Gospel. I will never stop praying for them. I will never stop praying that God opens up their eyes to his word.
But, here’s the thing: they believe they ARE following the word. Some of the scriptures they base their “beliefs/standards” on seem more clearer to me. Especially now that I’ve watched these videos and I think Ralph’s videos(not sure if that’s the right guy or not). One scripture comes to mind: 2 Corinthians 6:17. I’m seeing that particular scripture to mean come out of the actual worldly ways and be separate: stop the lying, cheating stealing, etc. Have a changed mind, lifestyle, attitude, etc. Not separate like the Pentecostal/ Apostolic movement.
I can't wait to watch after work. I always love to hear when others have also left the UPCI. It's very much relatable for me since I left as well.
Deanna- what you said at 42:20 is GOLD. Anyone who has lived in or been in a shaming environment (church, marriage, family) will struggle with guilt and fear 😰. They might have difficulty recognizing the negative feeling as conviction from the Holy Spirit or internal shame.
What surprised me was when I started reading and listening to trinitarians explain the godhead they used the same scriptures oneness people used. They also start with the same basic premise that there is one God. And then to think back to all the times I've heard it said they believe in three gods, that is very misrepresenting. Great interview! Very articulate! He thoroughly explains what he questioned and why. This only happens when someone honestly tries to verify things they have been taught and experienced.
And one of the Ten Commandments is:”Thou shall not bear false witness” seems that’s implicated saying Pentecostal Trinitarians believe in 3 gods /not true at all...I strive to alert Oneness Christians Trinitarians believe in One GOD for the sake of unity in the Body Of Christ Jesus ...I understand both Godhead doctrines.In fact some of our fellow Jewish Messianic Bible Torah Brethren Believers New Testament refer to the Godhead as “Compound Unity”...Jesus came to show us The Father...Just dialoguing
@maryhelencampos9964 so, who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
Yes, so many things! How bout the answers when you have chronic illness and are never healed? Even with me doing everything I knew to be right, my ex husband left my child and I. Why was I the one to blame? Amazing how C-vid season woke up so many people! I had so much time to dwell on my questions and without the pressures of attending anywhere I felt so much lighter and doing studying with my child and then finding this channel it all clicked into place!
Omg. Wading through the Illness stuff.
That’s why some UPC are breaking away from legalism and starting churches “come as you are”...
Never forget “Responsible Faith” you are “911 in the Holy Ghost”answering Spiritual Emergency phone calls/Preventing Spiritual Suicide ...GOD bless you Deanna Jo for your dedication in Christ Jesus.❤
I think the truth of the matter is, these "pastors" like the one Aurelio describes here, are terrified of people like him. That is why they attack people like him.
Absolutely that's why I believe they do character assassination, It's like the old saying whoever gets the 1st punch in when's the fight
One of my former pastors(UPC) used to tell us not to speak badly about the Baptist church down the road from us because "they love God just as much as we do". It really bothered me that the UPC taught they were the ones with the truth and every other denomination was deceived and would be lost unless they converted and believed just like "us". I couldn't understand how a good and loving God would allow these other denominations to believe in Him, love Him, and serve Him to the best of their ability with the way they understood scripture and then on judgement day He says "surprise, you are going to hell even though you thought you were saved!" It just never made sense to me!
He was such an AWESOME youth pastor!!!
I'm not surprised to hear that!
Very sorry for all that you have gone through, but thank you for sharing your story!
Excellent video that covers all the bases . So many valid points shared that most of us can resonate with.
Thanks once again Deanna Jo!
Thank you Rob, glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you both, this was so amazing. Speak truth
This was an amazing interview! Thank you both for sharing. Just when I think I couldn’t like another video as much as the last one, this one takes me by surprise and is a quick favorite! I am now a subscriber to your RUclips channel, Aurelio, and look forward to checking it out as I’m almost finished with Deanna’s videos. 😊
Brooklyn in the House!✊🏽Good to see someone like me!😀
When I left the church, I was preached about over pulpit about taking my daughter out of church cutting our hair, wearing pants the other kids would tell her she was going to Hell for it, then years later I’m still being preached about . I’m the reason my daughter is gay because I took her out of church. Thanks so much for sharing
Very good interview Deanna & Aurelio!
I am so glad I found this on You Tube. I have been out of the Apostolic Assembly of the Faith of Jesus Christ for about 10 years...I have struggled..more in the past 3 years. There are times I think of going back, but I don't want to. I want to trust church people and church, but I have a hard time. Trying to get it together.
Thanks for sharing your story, Aurelio. 😀
Great conversation! Keep up the good work.
Thanks for this interview I have been watching his channel and didn’t know his back ground by the way thanks for your channel it was the first channel I watched that got me interested in these church issues and what the Bible says about things I was never taught growing up keep up the great work and God bless!
The hardest thing for me to heal from is the beauty of grace! STILL a process for me. So sad that grace has been trampled by the cult of elite religion. 💔
I've been through it all too. So much extreme pain and caught off guard. A direct assault from the pulpit. My pastor said I needed to be stripped naked or burn in hell. That's extreme.😢 However I am so glad I ran out of those doors. It took about twelve years to heal from the false guilt. Looking back I'm so glad God moved me out of that UCP church and set me free. JESUS loves us and sees everything. I was snubbed for a few years.
So much great content. The standards (laws) of the Pentecostal Church were not hard for me to overcome after I walked out of the culture. This was because (1) they are not Biblical and (2) they make no sense…and the farther I get from them the less sense they make. My hang-up was the Oneness theology; it is a subtle, nuanced twisting of perspective that is hard to reorient after decades of brainwashing and reinforcement through falsely contextualizing scripture. The cognitive dissonance one experiences when truth is discovered can be overwhelming and P.T.S.D. is common among “backsliders.” What he kept emphasizing was study of the Word. Far too many rely on the pulpit to tell them what to believe and the Sunday night shout to save them for one more week, providing their tithe has been paid. I enjoyed the interview and identified with much of what he said. I am looking forward to the next video.
The thing about different standards at different churches are you always feel like you are living in sun or judging others because they didn’t have high standards like you did. Then stricter church got stricter & refused to socialize with other churches. It just never ended! And you couldn’t do anything without asking the pastor & getting his blessing.
I was raised ONENESS- and married outside my faith to a trinitarian minister, who pastored Trinity Baptist Church. Imagine all the backlash I got going in that direction lol.
@1:04:46 “3 levels of hell” hmmm 🤔 sounds somebody’s been reading Dante’s Inferno instead of the Bible 😂. Loved this interview! Will definitely check out his channel!
The UPCI church I grew up at was in and out of upc because of not wanting to pay dues and because one year the pastor wanted to have a tv. Narcissitic ministry as a description fits this church well. Only some people were expected to follow the standards and some weren’t. I was expected to follow it. Dysfunctional and controlling is the perfect way to describe this church. Really can relate to the spiritual abuse discussion.
I'm sorry you had to experience a toxic situation like that. Spiritual abuse is way more common than it should be. That's why I believe it's important for people to realize that pastors are not God's right hand men and that it's ok to use discernment with them. The idea that they always know best and are hearing directly from God about everything has caused believers a lot of problems. You can respect and love your pastor, while still assessing his behavior and teaching.
He attended New Life Tabernacle UPCI located in Tampa, FL. The older pastor says crazy 🤪 stuff.
The judgemental mentality has scarred me badly. Coming from independent apostolic pentecostal church... We were the only ones who were right and others were sincerely wrong. Deep down I always had reservations about certain things like assuming a woman wearing pants didn't know the truth. It's terrible the junk I have to work through mentally. Been out now for a month plus a week or so. Searching for a new home church and unlearning so much
It's ok to search for what you need. It's ok to go to church, a church you feel is your truth. So important to trust yourself. You have truth in you. Your truth. Stay strong, you are not alone💜
I left in 1980, so have been out a long time. I have decided no where feels right, but I have spent over 40 years now having periods of time that I feel like I am waking up from being brainwashed or having to write things out to decide what are my personal beliefs and what are things that I was taught that I no longer truly believe.
Tamara, I hope you found a good church, if you haven't found a church yet you may want to check out Calvary Chapel churches.
They are great teaching churches.
Happy that the Lord has opened your eyes, bless you my sister.
Aurelio is ready to open up his own Spiritual Emergency Room for Services Of all denominational backgrounds those hurting from legalistic cultic side effects/ Dr. Warrior your help is needed...Sending GOD’s Blessings
Hello hope your well I tried this luthrean church I really enjoy it there very peaceful and easygoing
Wow sorry I read the comments. I'm glad I'm not the only one...I ran into the wilderness I will stay their. 💯 keeping personal a relationship with Chirst. I left the upc 20 years ago. But I still go back just to visit. Maybe 2 to 4 times a year. Just because of the narcissist to see if their still controlling their congregation.
You are right brother WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY!!
I’m still afraid to cut
My hair I feel I will get in a car accident it’s so ingrained in me 😢
This video had 66 likes on it. Made sure to remedy that real quick :). Such a great interview. Congrats on your freedom, Aurelio! I can't believe your pastor thinks he's going to hick people out of Heaven. As if God would allow that. Smh.
Would like to know who died and made your former pastor "God"?!?
Deanna, please permit me to mention that I debate cults here in the UK - over the telephone and then place the dialogues online here on RUclips. I have about 100 Oneness discussions, I used to be Oneness briefly myself back in the late 1980s. Most of my work now deals with Jehovah's Witnesses, I have 1,825 telephone / zoom discussion videos where I estimate that I've covered about 80-90% of all the Kingdom Halls here in the UK.
Wow, I relate to, identify with, so much the young man is explaining.
Jesus died on cross for our salvation.He said it is finished . Nothing we can do ,other than believing we are saved by grace,can take that away or change me being saved I feel so sorry for the beautiful people that think they can save themselves thru clothing and ect
Amen
Yeah, the whole “dress code”: I’m in what you’d call “an absolute church”; skirts down to ankle, gotta wear panty hose or knee highs at all times(even in your own home), long sleeves at all times, high neck lines, no high hair, no wearing your hair down(in church or outside of church). If your a young girl, it’s up to individual or parents. It’s crazy. I wear what I want in my home. And the whole: even when you’re on vacation, you conduct yourself as if you’re in church. Wear the same type of clothes, hair up, etc. for fear of God and losing your witness: 😳🤦♀️
The “man of God” has the “power to bless/curse”: another fear tactic. These videos are real eye opening. The whole scripture “study to show thy self approved” has taken on a whole new meaning to me. The more I listen, the more I realize I’ve been “brainwashed”….🤔😱🤨😭
So then what’s the point for Acts 2:38 ? Who was Peter addressing if not ALL of us?
To be continued.!!
That's why I left. 1CORINTHIANS 14 shook me. Pentecostals churches are just like Corinth, out of order.
Hi Deanna Jo
The root of it all speaking out is : FREEDOM/ been set free by The WORD of GOD/not under bondage by man made traditions/like legalism...Back in Biblical Times circumcision was debated among Believers (the law) but now it’s our heart that’s circumcised .
Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
As far as the Godhead doctrine I understand both Oneness and Trinity but lean more towards Trinity (still One GOD) because I have a personal relationship with my Heavenly Holy ABBA Father through my Mediator Redeemer King Jesus Yeshua because of the Born-again Promise Scripture Acts2:38 The Gift Of Holy Ghost my leader teacher revealer guide and conviction. When I was attending UPC for 6yrs I never heard Preaching on The Father (that’s why UPC was recognized as “Jesus Only”. But Yeshua Jesus came to show us The Father.I have been attending Assembly Of GOD (non denomination) church the Young Associate Pastor baptizes in Jesus Name freedom in The Holy Ghost/immensely anointed power pack preaching. The Senior Pastor is so godly gracious he’s even invited a UPC Pastor to preach and a Baptist Minister to preach also. Altar calls are always open, encouraged and welcome. I love the anointing atmosphere attendance ...Just dialoguing
Taking the mark of the beast and refusing to accept Christ Jesus as LORD and Savior GOD in flesh is a prime candidate for hellbound...Believe He died for your sins/He paid the price on Calvary’s Cross with His Holy Shed Blood And Jesus is the Only Begotten Son Of GOD /He’s not an Angel/ Angels were created/Jesus existed before the foundation of the world/He was in the bosom of The Father(John1:18)...The fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily in Him...Just dialoguing/Thank you Deanna Jo for your spiritual lifesaving Ministry.GOD’s Blessings
I think I have some people confused about me and my beliefs. I am very anti telling anyone what to believe. My husband's sister and her family spent years as missionaries in West Africa and the middle East and it never sat well with me that part of their work was telling the people they came into contact with that their beliefs were not good enough, they needed to believe like the Southern Baptists. I have had discussions with cousins about how that no one has the right to tell another that their beliefs are not good enough and have pointed out to them that I was raised to believe that no matter how often they attended church that my cousins were going to hell because they weren't UPC. It is a total turn off to me to have people trotting out their religion, love of God, etc. in everything they do as they go through their day. In my opinion, just live your life as a good person, don't smash your beliefs over others heads as you do it!
I had gotten into touch with a person I remembered from my days in the UPC and she had been run out of the church, but then she tried pulling the Oneness card on me and I told her we didn't have the right to judge and it wasn't long and she wanted nothing to do with me!
Kabbalah saved my life! It’s the only thing that has made any sense.
I"D BE VERY CAREFUL IF I WERE YOU!
When you get the Trinity wrong, you get the Gospel wrong as well.
What is the definition of Trinity according to those that came up with it not your own interpretation
So many false statements being made here.
So refute them then
Guess he didn’t want to
Be were of these two
Why?
Fasle prothets
They aren't prophesying, they are discussing. Look iup the definition of prophesying and you will see. If you don't agree with this channel, don't watch it. Start your own channel if you can defend what you believe and have your own guests. You are not being Christlike and prove the point that UPC people can many times be rude, judgemental etc. Fruits of the spirit are something you may want to study. If I were a fruit inspector, I would call yours rotten from your comments.
But they’re not prophesying. Just sharing their experiences. In love, If they are in error, instead of condemning them, how about you enlighten us on what the Scriptures say and how they are wrong in what they said? Love on us the way these two are trying to love on those who have been hurt by Pharisee behavior.