Fallout Did NOT Fall Off
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Hey everyone ! I hope you are all doing well. I haven't posted a video in quite a while, and I wanted my first video back from hiatus to be pretty decent. I'd say we achieved that here ! In this video, we'll go over the Fallout Amazon TV show, which came out a couple of weeks ago, and that I bingewatched through the two days from release. It was really great, and I enjoyed my experience a ton. However, I did see a lot of people criticize Fallout on multiple counts, and I think it's quite unfair to do so, so I decided to make a video tackling the main issues people have with the show while also touching upon the points that make the show great in my opinion.
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Yes it did.
All of your points in this video can be easily negated if you actually watch with your BRAIN.
The Enclave are not intimidating in the slightest!
Maximus is a literal bumbling idiot who FAILS into being a Knight!!! “You’re not worthy of that armor” NEITHER ARE YOU, MAXIMUS
….AND GHOULS HAVE NEVER NEEDED A DRUG IN ORDER TO NOT GO FERAL, HOW CAN YOU IGNORE THESE PLOT HOLES!!!
I can go on and on..
There so many instances that literally kill this show, yet since you find the “acting” and the “sound design” such good reasons to look past all that, I’ll simply leave this comment here, and let you all enjoy this shell of a franchise…
Hahaha, look at this angry nerd
Maximus may not be my favorite, but the show is still amazing
Wow…it’s almost like Maximus is WRITTEN to be a flawed character or something. And wow, the enclave we haven’t even really seen yet aren’t intimidating?
There’s watching with a brain, and then there just looking for stuff to be mad at bro.
@@justblueboy2939 not angry, only disappointed that shit like this is actually good to you people
@@stingerjohnny9951 trust me, I’m not LOOKING for things to be mad at, they just made it so easy to point out stupidities and inconsistencies
A well made movie/tv show that doesn’t take the lore as gospel but still respects it will always be better than a poorly made movie/tv show that follows the lore to a t.
I completely agree !! I think its crucial people understand that its a TV *adaptation*, never a port... Do you have any examples other than Fallout than comes to mind ?
Thanks for watching btw, appreciate it !
Well. At least try to weave in and explain inconsistencies. Alot of room for that
Also very true, but remember, it's only eight episodes long and doesn't have that much budget.. I'm sure after the success season 1 got, a lot of things in season 2 will be adressed
The problem is some things in the show seems retconning the games and that needs explaining. In example people cry about the fall of shady sands in 2277 at the chalkboard. My only problem is Shady Sands being placed in LA although LA should be Boneyard based on games. I dunno maybe Shady Sands moved from their original region to Boneyard. This needs further explanation by the showrunner.
@@ngybridsimple explanation is this.
Fall of shady sands = 2277
Current year = 2296
Lucy age = early 20's (lets say 21)
Shady sands nuked when lucy is likely around 5-6 years old judging on flashbacks.
21-5 = 16
2296 - 16 = 2280 when shady sands was nuked.
Also because lucys age is not confirmed this could also have happened as late as 2285 if she was 26 at the time of the show.
Also a simple map released of the "in show area" shows shady sands actually quite a ways north of the boneyard the scene was more for perspective but canonically it still lies a few miles north of the boneyard.
Okay, hold up. Those "Govermint" people weren't NCR, and neither were the raiders who invaded the vault. There are shown to be very few truly loyal NCR holdouts, like the Griffith Park Observatory. The others are just living in the power vacuum left after the decapitation of the NCR.
Some of the vault raiders were actual raiders (mostly for camouflage), but Moldsver’s core group of attackers were disciplined soldiers.
@@pmpowalisz That core group also wasn't killing any of the vault dwellers I believe. Just grabbed hostages under the cover of the raiders.
@@charlie7mason no they were definitely killing vault dwellers (in their way at least). Soldiers kill people as a profession, and the only difference between lawless murderers is that they tend to do so under orders in a disciplined fashion.
Actually a great example of how to write a diverse cast.
I honestly think the show was able to get the Fallout feel. It managed to capture the feel of a post-apocalyptic adventure with dark humor. The writing seems to be a reference of and inspired by former Fallout games but it actually has proper cohesion and makes sense because the writers actually care about it unlike some live action adaptations which decided to ignore the lore and source materials. My only concern with this show is the location of Shady Sands being in the Boneyard (Unless they reveal there are actually multiple towns named Shady Sands within California in Season 2)
People hating on this show just because it's live action and written by Bethesda are far too deep in their own bias.
100% agree on everything you've written. It's a damn good show and it's really unfortunate people gloss over it because "todd howard killed FNV !!!"
In terma of writing, if I recall correctly Jonathan Nolan made his debut (or breakout ?) as a writer on Westworld. He probably hired people he knew were gonna be good, and honestly thank god that's the case
Thank you for watching !!
@@VernierChannel His 'debut' is actually penning Memento which turned into his brothers big debut as a major filmaker. His writing credits include The Prestige, The Dark Knight (yes, THAT one), Dark Knight Rises, Interstellar, and Person of Interest as well as the Westworld which is what he is often most associated with. He is a huge fan of Fallout and actually said his life almost got sidetracked by it while working on The Dark Knight.
In 15 years alot can happen. And in fallout 1 the Brotherhood were jerks anyway.
In every fallout, they're jerks. Lol
kinda true ngl
the only game where i found myself really liked the BoS is New Vegas, and it's purely because I thought Veronica was a cool companion...
@@VernierChannel Veronica is a quirky hottie
@@VernierChannel Facts!
@@SauceOnChickenBall No, they were not jerks in Fallout 3
I don't know, there's a doggie, that's good enough for me :)
Hell yeah we love the funny yellow dogs !!
HAha same... remember when they INCINERATED the PUPPY
@@johnnynnyL what
@VernierChannel First few minutes of episode 2 (blink and you'll miss it). There's a sign that any puppies under 10 ounces gets thrown into the incinerator...and one does in front of us. Dogmeat weight 9 and a half ounces, and Wilzig fudged the numbers to save her.
@@johnmccarron7066 OH SHIT OK
i knew they disposed of them but i didnt know they incinerated them, i completely missed that
You not knowing about Rico really shows you didn't watch Disney Channel growing up.
yeah you got me LMAOOOO i never watched disney channel before :')
As far as i know the 3 guys that captured the ghoul are not part of the NCR. Maybe they were before but nothing in the show says they are now. Only Shady Sands, the refugees in Vault 4 and Moldaver's group at the observatory are the only parts of the NCR we see.
Ohhhhh that would make a lot of sense.. See, since The Ghoul mentionned the fact that it was the President, they had wanted posters and everything, I thought it was genuinely the Government. But that makes way more sense actually. I hope they talk about it in Season 2, especially with the Cold Fusion active, that would be absolutely sick
@@VernierChannelThe “Governmint” to me seemed pretty obvious it wasn’t NCR. They did seem like rangers at first just based on the outfits, they aren’t too far off from ranger clothes from New Vegas. Todd did recently say the NCR is still very prevalent in other parts of california and other southwestern states and that we will see them again, so season 2 seems set up for a big NCR plot.
@@VernierChannel I think the Governmint was just a mixed bag of mercenaries wanting to fill the void where the NCRs influence was lost in the Los Angeles area and weren't NCR themselves. As far as Moldaver's 'raiders' at the beginning, they weren't NCR either, but likely just guns for hire she worked out a deal with to do the dirty work of what amounted to a bit of a personal vendetta against Hank and Vault Tec in particular without getting her people personally involved.
I'm pretty sure the NCR splintered when its largest city was nuked. Both The President and Moldaver think they are the authority of NCR now, but all they do is they command some local part of it, The President a way smaller one than Moldaver.
Much like Star Trek, Fallout has always spoken on the Human Condition. In some ways, it's a deep, philosophical exploration of why people do what they do, and in other ways it completely takes the piss on humanity, as a whole, and at the individual level. And honestly, if that's "woke", I'm okay with that.
The correct, based take
I don’t think the area around Filly is still under NCR control. Even the “Govermint” guy acted like a non-aligned independent local faction. The self named “President” has a wanted poster of Moldaver who we later find out is NCR aligned. The observatory and vault 4 are both still NCR aligned but likely unsanctioned and operating outside of or on the very border of NCR controlled territory.
Perhaps there is something to explore here in later seasons ? It would be cool to understand if they are aligned at all with the regular NCR, or if they are simply conmen trying to pass themselves as officials for a quick buck..
Either way, good point ! Thanks for bringing it up
@@VernierChannel For sure the little frame by frame details are incredible in this show. A lot of environmental story telling I’m noticing the more I pick through scenes. Including differences presented between the Vault 4 and Observatory factions that seem to imply very different follower cell types, methods and backgrounds. One spiritual and the other far more grounded.
Edit: A modern take would be Vault 4 being like fanatic Swifties and the Observatory being like Taylor’s stage crew and entourage. I liked your video style btw it was great watch.
I had fun watching the series, I was a little worried at first hoping they wouldn't make Lucy OP, so since that was my only worry it quickly became apparent that every main character was gonna fail at something and have plenty of moments to shine. Not that I mind having badass female characters beating the snot out of their male counterparts. That said, I liked Lucy a whole bunch I adored how she still stuck to her beliefs but made the necessary adjustments in order to survive. I'm glad to see that Maximus got all the credit he deserved, as that actor is really good at playing someone with the *idiot savant* perk, lol. Walter Goggins was great at showing how the wasteland can change a person completely and how hard it would be to claw yourself back up into something reasembling a person who still has a glimmer of their humanity left.
Cool vidd!
Maximus was absolutely crazy in his role, Aaron Moten is quickly becoming one of my favorite actors just because of this role
Thanks for the comment btw, appreciate it, hope you enjoyed the video !
@@CollideFan1 LOL, dude you list all these negatives and then follow it with, _"YEah that's what makes her a believe female protagonist."_ Me, I just think in order for a show like this to work that all the main characters need to be flawed enough in order to justify needing each others help. It's nothing to do with gender, it's more to do with characters being able to compliment each other, so no one is really the best at everything. I usually just tune out whenever I hear the word *Woke* it really doesn't mean anything anymore besides being tagged to somekind of video I most likely won't watch. Thanks for the feedback though, have a good day!
This show is not perfect, but it is entertaining, funny, a bit silly, full of great action and there has been some very grisly violence along the way. As for the characters, they are mostly pretty good and we are already seeing growth/arcs with about a dozen of them, and that is also to be applauded. The people who made this show are focused on entertainment, giving us a good escapist adventure and just making a show they can look back on with a bit of pride.
I had an absolute blast watching it and will rewatching S1 over the weekend - S2 will be watched in one sitting on release day if they give us the whole bag again.
The ghouls theme reminds me of the soundtrack for shady sands from the first game and the brotherhoods theme goes so hard
Something that should be mentioned, one of the restrictions for the TV series was "don't canonize an ending" Aka until Bethesda makes it official which ending is canon the show can't do it. So yea the fate of Caesar even though 90% of the endings and it's variations kill them off or kill him off. The show can't show who actually won the battle of hooverdam until Todd Howard essentially approves of it. Not to mention some of the discourse seems to mostly come from people that skipped the dialogue and never questioned anything in games especially NV. Like so many people I've seen claim the NCR is the best faction because they gave the most quests and really don't question the logic of why would a well oiled military and government need a mercenary to do things like donate medical supplies or rescue soldiers.
Hey I'm gonna pin this because that's great insight and really important to mention (and also because there hasn't been anyone to pin of shame yet LMAOOOO)
Good to know ! I had no clue about that. Thanks for watching !!
I forget which content youtuber I watched but (as I haven't played New Vegas yet, I accidently see spoilers everywhere, oops), he said apparently due to the quests you get, as well as the last quest you're involved in right before the final battle, it stands to reason that the loser would actually detonate bombs on the winner. I can't remember the creator but its one of the many talking about it lol
Also.. movement born around cult of personality die with said person.. and the legion wasnt Empire of Rome with centuries of history.
Well in the tv show it was mentioned that the targets description came from the high clerics in the Commonwealth
Yes the us was split on to Commonwealths and not states so it could be any of those
But in game we play on one named Commonwealth and that’s Boston in fallout 4 and if the brotherhood there was not destroyed as it was suggested with the statement in the show
Then only 2 endings of fallout 4 are canon
@@Revan638 yea but we already would suspect that the bos would survive they are to marketable. But NV is different since if Caesar won the ncr would retreat not be decimated also the fact House's survive is determined by the ending and we don't know if the House's ending is canon.
Also part of fallout 4`s ending is who is the sole survivor since they have canon names unlike every other player characters.
The line from Mr. House to all the NCR fans who don't like idea of NCR stumbling is fitting, "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows." I highly doubt the legion has much left after 15 years and the death of Caesar, it was predicted in New Vegas it would disintegrate with in fighting and it likely did.
That is completely fair, what I would've liked to see is maybe a reference to the Legion and their antics.. A full scale invasion is still something big, but I'm sure they'll go over it at some point !
This video needs more attention
I loved the tv show and can’t wait for a season 2
I found it so frustrating that so many people can’t read the timeline in the classroom because of that it was stated that shady sands was destroyed after new Vegas happened and that the ncr is not gone as a faction
The only negative thing with the show that I know of are the locations of places that where established in the first 2 fallout games
I don't understand how it's not faithful or woke 😕
Have you played Fallout?
I thought the brotherhood of steel was perfect. Of course they would be fanatical they are the west coast chapter
Very true, hard agree
I'm a big NV fan, but I liked the show a lot, despite any flaws and lore inaccurasies. I was pleasantly surprised. I don't get why some people are being SO bitchy. I get that what happened to Shady Sands isn't fair, but is the city an untouchable golden goose? Nothing can happen to it, despite the destruction of cities being the norm in history? And the clear fact that the NCR will rise again despite this? And there's so much more. Hell, I have my issues with the ending, especially with how the corporations were portrayed as seemingly independent and separate from the government, when America in the Fallout Universe is much more like a fascist state instead, but I've seen so many unreasonable and uncharitable takes, I'm baffled.
Norm gives me a Seth McFarlane meets Ryan Reynolds kinda feel to me just shy
I absolutely agree with you concerning the BoS. I haven't even played the first two, and even if it wasn't originally intended to be religious, I can see a faction LIKE the Brotherhood, the farthest it gets FROM the actual knowledge of the technology and its original precepts to develop religious cult-like practices and rituals as a way to keep control and enforce the leader/follower dynamic even more. I've only played 3 and 4, and 3 alone really highlights the differences in the BoS, between Elder Lyons and the Outcasts and the conflict between the two. "never let the world rebuild itself"......I thought that was the point of the constant tagline - "War Never Changes"
I'n glad someone else was able to see this too ! I think it's a good improvement narrative-wise, and adds a lot of different ways to expand on the already existing chapters. It's nice to see !
Glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching !
Honestly, the BoS changes from game to game. There's differences in them between 1 and 2, there were changes to them in the tactics games, there's even huge differences between them in 3 and 4, and that's essentially the exact same chapter.
As a long term fallout fan, 1 & 2. I'm extremely happy about the show. I'm a little disapointed with the nuking of Shady Sands, but i'm happy that the NCR still exists.
I only learned about the tv show when someone asked me if ive seen the show at work. They did not even know that it was a videogame adaptation, yet they binged the whole series. Even if some lore had to be adjusted, bringing Fallout to a wider audiance is well worth it.
I would’ve loved to have seen Shady Sands, and the more functional (but presumably far from perfect, NCR always had… problems under the surface…) society they flash back to as a contrast to the waste! But I totally get why they would want to stick more to the still broken scattered society focus that the games most show. I think it works so far, and the NCR theme rising as Lucy checked out the flag was a great moment.
@@RocketSurgn_ I always wanted a fallout game, or spin off, that takes place in the NCR. See what this corrupt piece of civilization looked like from the inside. Sadly I don't think Bathesda is ever going to be interested in telling that story.
@@CMoore-Gaming I’d love to see that too! And I hope they will explore it a bit more in the future, at least in games there is more narrative space too have the successful society alongside the fragmented wastes. In a show, especially one that has to introduce a wide audience to a setting they may not know at all, it would be hard to manage introducing both at once. But I do still enjoy the setting we do get in the games, they still have interesting narratives and some interesting themes.
my favorite part of the music is how they utilize sountrack dissonance (when the soundtrack and whats happening dont match) they use it a lot in episode 1 during the fighting, then use it later during the bridge scene
Yeah very true, I remember seeing that in film school, happens a lot throughout the show !
Fuck Maximus, but you know what, you're right, Aaron killed that role. The fact that Max came off so dumb, airheaded, slightly innocent, to the point that you can't stand him, he played that role so good. Even the sex lines that everyone hates lol, he really sold those lines.
Since Obsidian is not going to work with Bethesda on the Fallout anymore, it only make sense for Bethesda to drop the old lore that restrict them from doing what they are good at and try to search for a new path. I personally don't think the show is a step to the direction I want, but an IP, as a product that has to make money for its investors, cannot afford to stand still. I am glad the show did its job, but I won't be keep track on Fallout series anymore.
You know, I do think that what you just said makes sense, but I must say : I think Bethesda has all to gain from respecting the lore FNV brought into the franchise. It is so beloved, and so well written (may Josh Sawyer see this comment so he can know how much his work is insanely good) that I think Bethesda really should keep what Obsidian has made
Well the great war was not in the 1970s it was in 2077
Go back and watch The Ghoul's face, trust the process
@@VernierChannel No, that's...literally canon that October 23rd, 2077 was the date the bombs fell as you can see that the world of Fallout was more like retrofuturism, and the show takes place in 2296, 219 YEARS after the bombs fell in 2077.
I've said it once, I'll say it again:
As a Fallout lore enthusiast, the show was written so highly above my expectations that I could easily forgive all the retcons as they appear on the show.
BASED
"The lore has been changed and altered some in every single game and that is fine." - Tim Cain
What retcons did you notice? Because i know some people are talking about the distance between 34, and Shady Sands, and Vegas, or the jetpacks on Power Armor, but was curious what else there was?
@@therobustempyrean1436 there's some small nit picky details like how the Nuka Cola bottles used in the show are suppose to be rare prototypes sold in specific locations, BoS ranking, Vaults 31-33 being REALLY close to The Cathedral's location, etc etc. They're not grand, just small nitpicks.
Also, I don't really consider the destruction of Shady Sands to be at any point a retcon, especially with conformation with Lil' Toddy Hoddy that the big boom happened after the events of FNV. During the events of New Vegas, it has stated multiple times how much the NCR had over extended their military to the point that they couldn't even protect key vital positions like the Hoover Dam and the roads outside the 188 trading post, and were often overly reliant on Brahmin Barons to keep their operations running. if a Mr House ending or Independent Vegas ending were to be the reveal for S2, then the Fall of Hoover Dam would've sparked an avalanche of mutinies and distrust towards the NCR Federal Government. Most likely the events of 2277 was the earliest agreed record to the citizens of Vault 4 that lead to the collapse of NCR power-- which resulted in the failure to stop the annihilation of their capital.
The Chalkboard pointing to the mushroom cloud would've been just an indicator to a result rather than a cause, As Maximus and Lucy are hinted at the show to being in their 20's -- making the event fairly recent in their history. There is really no need to put a year or date to when the big boom happened, since the people who witnessed it are still alive and know full well what year it is -- similar to how we call the events of September 11, 2001 simply as "9/11", since there's still a large generation of people that were capable of digesting the disaster and are able to talk about it without writing the dates down. The NCR is fairly present in the show, but exist in small groups due to the destruction of what was essentially the Federal Government. Moldaver is probably one of the multiple different Generals or Politicians that took control of the surviving NCR Army in California following the collapse, but that's all speculation until the show further hints to the state of the NCR.
I see it similarly to how we see the Fall of Rome. We saw Rome get fucking suplexed and folded by German invaders in 476 CE, but Rome and the Roman Senate continued operations after the fact, and it wasn't until a couple decades later from the loss of key economically important territories and poor maintenance to both the military and their territories had the city completely capitulate.
@@BUMMY105 To add to Rome thing long before it finally fell it had gotten so bad in the region economically they created the new imperial capital in Constantinople as most of the empires wealth was in the eastern half so they moved the capital there. No doubt the show creators took this as inspiration as the sign in the show says Shady Sands was the first capital of the NCR, meaning there was and is a second one.
On the year 2027 community might have been devastated by atomic fire, but there is still raging inferno happening in the fallout community
Lucy was done well, none of that woke crap. Unlike the woke crap characters like Captain Marvel, Lucy gets the crap beat out of her, fails her speech checks many times, naive to the reality of the world, isn't a know it all, she's an actual believable female protagonist who is far from the Mary Sue perfection. I was very skeptical of this show, Fallout is my favorite game franchise, and we've all been burned by past game adaptions. This show pleasantly surprised me. They did the game series justice.
I'm really glad you liked the show, and I hope you also enjoyed the video !
"Woke" has nothing to do with gender. Your kind love saying woke but can't define it
The ghoul serum was the only thing I thought was brand new to the lore. I really enjoyed how they developed the Enclave/Vault-Tec relationship and showing House as already doubtful. I could very easily see them going Fallout 4 and having Coop's defrosted daughter running the Enclave. This is Fallout. There are no lasting happy endings.
Honestly ? I love the addition of the Ghoul serum. It gives a really good, rational explanation for the phenomena. I think Mr. House is gonna be a really important piece in season 2 !
Thanks for watching btw, appreciate the comment !
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Some people are speculating that it may not be a "ghoul serum", rather the FEV, and Squire Thaddeus isn't turning into a Ghoul, rather, a Super Mutant. This is down to the insane regenerative abilities that the serum afforded him.
That would make a lot of sense too.. Maybe he comes back in later seasons ?
It’s RadAway/Rad-X it looks just like the Rad-X from 4 plus if it is RadAway it would honestly make more sense to be in vials than IV bags
@@chrismulhauser333 Not a bad guess, but why would Rad-X/Radaway give super regeneration ?
The scene where she feeds the deer is deadass in my town it’s an old ass flooded quarry. People go there and jump into the water from the buildings it’s fire
Ayo really ?????
I sure do live jumping in flooded quarry (and radiationmaxxing at the same time :^))
The show is as lore accurate as Fallout 2. Yes Shady Sands' location was moved again to better fit the story just like in Fallout 2 - so what??? The show is one of the most lore accurate pieces of media Fallout has ever seen since Fallout New Vegas from 2010. This show is very lore accurate. Right wing grifters just make straight up stuff up about the show - that's all...
Re: Race mixing in the 1950s.
I think you're downplaying the issue a little bit, but hat the people making this comment are still also wrong.
Basically Fallout is retro-futurism based on what people in the 1950s would think the future looked like according to the pulp scifi and B movies of the time. Genuine 1950s stuff wouldn't have mixed races unless it was a plot point. That is is California or the US has nothing to do with it. The Supreme Court case that made interracial marriage okay wasn't until 1967. It was ironically enough called the Loving case if you want to look it up. There were mixed race marriages before that because not all states prohibited them. But they weren't common and they were frowned upon.
HOWEVER:
1) Fallout isn't set in the 1950s. Even the bomb drop was set in 2077.
2) Being retro-futuristic doesn't mean you need to incorporate retro-racism. I've never noticed racism among the Fallout NPCs before except towards people who were irradiated (ghouls, super-mutants). Fallout has fantasy racism, not real racism,.
3) With all the inbreeding in the vaults and small populations, in 200 years trapped with such a small population, everyone is coming up to the surface some shade of milky brown at the end of that time.
So if Fallout doesn't want 2077 to have been racist (or maybe just racist against the Chinese who are the stated enemy so it's kind of comedy racism at this point), then I'm good with it. It's not a matter of being woke. It a matter of them never really writing stories about racism using real races. I'm okay with them if they think the future of America is a melting pot.
What's the reason we can't imagine that people would have managed racial equality by 2077, other than the fact that this is retro-futurism so they think it should reflect the actual 1950s rather than the better 1950s scifi writers would have dreamed of?
I agree with just about every single point in this video, even down to going into the show with absolutely bottom-of-the-barrel expectations, but I was a little surprised when you mentioned the acting ability of Maximus as one of its hidden gems. I thought at times there were several lines delivered with improper emphasis, including in a clip you put earlier in the video. Just the way he says "New California Republic" just sounded...off. Now, I will say, his body language is for the most part superb.
I personally really liked him ! I can see what you mean however, there are clips where his voice is a bit weird. From what I could see, this is how the actor speaks in general.. Would be great to see him in more prominent roles to see if this is a recurring issue or not
Thanks for watching, love the feedback !
Great vid! I was wondering... How does the show perform as an introduction to the Fallout franchise?
Really good ! My gf watched the show all the way through without having played a single game, and she really enjoyed it
I think it opens up the possibility for you to see if the lore/story is something you'd enjoy or not. Otherwise, just a great show to watch !
@@VernierChannel Epic! I might check it out then!
Not played any of the games, loved the show.
As soon as I heard Jonathan Nolan was at the helm of a Fallout show I KNEW it was going to be a banger. I loved Westworld and the much lesser known (but still awesome) Amazon show Peripheral.
I have never watched Peripheral, but after just looking it up, I might genuinely watch this. Thanks for bringing this up to my attention !
Who’s saying this?? The show is exactly like the game and its lore accurate.
It's not that hard to find, I have a few examples in the video of various people commenting on Twitter / Posting videos on RUclips on this subject .o.
Most normal people like the show. It’s bringing in plenty of non-gamers. The only haters are butthurt incels or super hardcore fans of FO1/2/New Vegas. They’re a vocal minority in an already niche fandom. Their rants mean nothing to the average viewer tuning in.
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why didn't the ghoul kill maximomuse when they first fought the ghoul was wearing those armor piercing rounds on him when they fought
in that fight a guy was clearly shot in the heart then we later see him bleeding out through the neck
Brooo, they should make a character thats like the main character in the game. Wearing random stuff and have a good gun, asking if he could help, that'd actually be hilarious
I believe I saw a post about a "Mysterious Stranger" perk cameo in season 2, and I think that would be fantastic to explore that
For a small channel, this video seems like it had a good amount of elbow grease into it and i applaude you sir and your colleague(s)
This comment made my day, thanks a ton, I've been trying to improve my content for a long time and I'm finally getting to a point where I don't immediately hate the video after posting it LOL
Thanks for watching, appreciate the feedback !!
@@VernierChannel no problem bro, as someone who tried to do youtube content i respect the art form
Knights of Cydonia background track is lit.
I think they did a great job on the show! If they made it exclusively for the gamers they would alienate any new viewers…they balanced both audiences perfectly in my opinion. I want more!
I'm really looking forward to the next seasons, this is a show that has the potential to run for several more and I think they have plenty of stories left to tell !
the ghoul soundtrack was funny as hell when he showed up that clint eastwood moment just popped up in my head and the actor for lucy voiced jinx in arcane
Saying that the famous VaultBoy pose was based on actor Cooper Howard (in his only advertising role?) is fucking with the Lore a little bit. And you know what?
IT'S AWESOME 🤯
Honestly, same. Every single point, even the partially conceded one about the nuking of shady sands. I also fully expected this show to be hot trash and instead it's the best thing since Cobra Kai
If they didn't choose a woman, how are they supposed to get the Black Widow perk?
is this a marvel reference :^) ?
(i love the gender perks in fallout)
@@VernierChannel I love how this show seems to be incorporating all the perks. Maximus with idiot savant, the Ghoul with the cannibal perk, etc. Can't wait to see how they add the Mysterious Stranger perk.
@@def_not_dan oh man the mysterious stranger would be SICK
@@def_not_dan And Bloody Mess! I've seen a lot of criticism from real life gun nuts who complained about the inconsistent damage the Ghoul's weapon does, sometimes acting like it should in real life, other times ripping people apart. Yeah, that's Bloody Mess, dudes, play the games maybe before talking shit..?
Love the Bridge cameo
Hell yea B) thanks for watching man 🙏
Like I said, the Fallout TV show is just a very... long "cutscene".
I finally finished it and I got to say it was a banger, I got too distracted building settlements in fallout 4 cuz the game and the dlc were only 10$ on steam a week or two ago.
Actually Vegas looking different from the games is good, the game purposely lowers the scale of things in order to make it playable, so vegas ends up being like what 300x300 meters? Then ofc the airstrip is as big as the city, but irl it would be smaller
Oh that's an interesting point, I didn't think about that.. I wonder if, since they scaled down stuff in the games, it might be different in the show ! Still, it doesn't explain why the city looks so desolate, maybe something happened to it during those 15 years ?
Your thoughts on the “woke” stuff was on point, as l’m very quick to call out forced woke stuff in franchises too. Yea, there was a transgender character that was prominent to the story’s progression but it was not over-the-top or forced in any way. Same with the main character being female.
Lucy’s an awesome character because unlike *cough cough* Disney, they made her character progress through nearly dying and going through brutal shit constantly. She had to actually face real life or death situations, instead of taking that “overly strong and mysterious female lead”. Great show.
Hey ! Really appreciate the feedback on this. I thought it might've been a big point of friction with the community, but it worked really well imho
Appreciate the comment btw, thanks for watching !
The brother hood is a religious organization that rejected LGBTQ people because they believed they didn't add to the brotherhoods declining population why is it all of a sudden, they are more accepting of them when the scribe or elder says they are going through some tough times the only reason LGBTQ people are accepted now is because the writers wanted fallouts poster boys the be inclusive for everyone its WOKE
7:52 nope wrong it was set in 2077
Check out the time stamp again and look at The Ghoul's face :^D
I'm currently on the final episode of the show, and I'm going to watch It tonight. And I'll like to share my thoughts on the show. So, as a post new vegas fallout fan. I find the show to be good and that's about it. My main complaints are with Maximus and the ghoul Who I wouldn't say they are bad characters. But are just really hard to like Especially Maximus, who's someone finds a Way To ruin everything and or make things worse in nearly every single situation his in.
I loved the show. My one complaint is that none of the 3 main characters really faced any true consequences/danger. They always landed on their feet. I think things need to turn a bit more dire for them from time to time next season. Did it skate by some of the lore & leave me scratching my head? Yeah. But I'll wait until S2 before I weight in on that. I want to see what they actually did.
I agree ! I think we saw a general introduction of the characters more than a deep introduction to their struggles. Hopefully they go deeper into it and make the characters go through some BS
Thanks for watching btw !!
I also did have to tell people that the Brotherhood of steal in the show is as we see now a mix of the lost hills brotherhood that was always more religious on the west and the DC brotherhood from the east also we can hear them describing the east brotherhood as the main faction Sean’s they are stronger then the lost hills brotherhood
If you nitpick its not lore accurate. And then youre just sad. Still 89% audience score despite what i suspect were review bombers best efforts.
I love the fact one of the thumbnails literally lies about the rotten tomatoes score
really high quality video, hope it gets seen by more people
Thankd a bunch, appreciate it !! Feel free to share it if ever 👀
Fallout hasn’t fallen out. It’s Helldivers that has 💀
I have, and have played every fallout, including vegas, and outer worlds. This is a great show, f the haters
I had never played the Fallout games before watching this show and I gotta say I was really impressed with this, so much so I went and got Fallout 4 and Fallout 76 (they’re the only games available to me and they were on sale lol) and started to play them.
And this might be an unpopular opinion but I think this show was way better than The Last Of Us show (which I was sorely disappointed in).
Honestly ? I join you on that point : I really liked Fallout, and I thought The Last of Us was pretty mid. It wasn't bad, at least to my taste, but it definitely did not live up to the hype I thought it had
Thanks for watching btw, appreciate the comment !
Writing is key along with understanding the source material. It's true with book, comic book, and video game adaptations. Yes, it had It's check box of diversity. And normally, I'd turn it off for that. But the story and characters were so well written, that it wasn't as noticeable. Lucy is the perfect example of HOW to write a "strong female". She has the hero's journey, so to speak. She is believable and adorable. She is a sweetheart at heart that in the right situation, will do what must be done to survive. She isn't bad ass from the jump, and LEARNS to do what she does.
Agreed, Lucy has an amazing story arc and I found the writing really endearing myself
Thanks for watching, hope you liked the video !
As for world not being able to rebuild itself, to me I justify it with there *ALWAYS* being conflict among the factions who all try to do the right things the wrong way. So basically, war never changes, so whatever is re-built was also destroyed. Again and again.
New Vegas looks overrun with Death Claws, meaning all endings *could* be canon and skit hit the fan in between. It didn't bother me at all. Same with the overall writing; it could be serious when it had to, but enough of the cheesy lines and silliness that I think is required. If this writing style was used in The Wire, I'd be more concerned... Pregnant lady with a fork in her eye shooting up the place to the tune of happy 50s music? Doesn't get more Fallout than that.
"Being woke" argument nowadays is just ridiculous, and not just for this show. It's one of the most woke franchises there ever was. The whole point is being political satire and criticizing large corporations and what runaway capitalism leads to; woke means "being aware of social injustices" touching many camps. They always loved it for what it was, but nowadays they've been told to "hate the woke". And yet we're supposed to be the sheep. The projection is just insane. Guess I'm just woke and proud about it then.
When The Ghoul is introduced, they mention "...from California, where you're originally from", as being kinda far away. Meaning there is a lot of travel time in the show we don't get to see. So, fast travel? 😂We do notice skill checks, perks, and VATS being used, so why not? Sure, it's weird to have in a real life show, but it still fits perfectly. And just like the stimpak, they don't need to explain it further - speculating in post is a major part of the fun.
Yeah, not everything is fleshed out or explained in the first season. Nor would I want it to be. NCR and Enclave is still around even if we so far haven't seen much of them. A "collapse" never means utter destruction, and not in a short amount of time. Roman empire took ages to "collapse", but Italy and Rome is still a thing last I checked.
If anything, the show and watching responses to it reminds me more of Daggerfall than anything produced later by Bethesda; all reactors pick up on different references that I never spotted. Like, how many spotted the reference to the "Legion"? In quotes for a reason. Similarly in Daggerfall; the world is so huge every gamers experience would be vastly different compared to the smaller Bethesda worlds where everybody gets to have very similar experiences where you've seen everything before.
I love the characters. All of them. I obviously expected character development and explanation as things went on for the main characters. But I didn't expect so much development for many of the side characters. I frigging love Norm and how he developed and where this is heading.
I went into this extremely skeptical, but ended up binging it all in a single seating and my jaw hurt from grinning all the way. Score? I'm giving it a 101 or 111... That's not to say I'm not afraid they're gonna mess up down the line. Some CGI looked a bit off at times, but not to the point of being really distracting from the story or fun, and we all know there is this thing called budget, so.
Really love the breakdown ! Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed the video
7:52 The bombs dropped in 2077 not 1977
go back to the frame and check The Ghoul's head :^)
@@VernierChannel Oh I was only listening so I missed the text
no worries LOL i really shouldve made that text bigger :')
thanks for watching ! i hope you liked the video !
It seems weird the big brain nerd panels wanna shit all over the lore or the realism in it ,sure i can suspend my believe,its a show based on games ,it gives little tidbits of all the games ,im fine with the story they told using the references available.i understand it breaks some things but the rules are different for tv and games etc,batman was not comic book accurate it was still good.i see them trying to dive deeper into some things.i like how the ghouls need something to keep them from going feral,it makes sense to take something to keep thier brains from degrading more causing them to go feral,the "woke" cast didn't bother me at all .and i gotta say i love the fourth character norm and even liked the side quest to vault 4.i say sure it has it flaws but i had alot a fun watching it .even the stuff i didn't like was funny to discuss amoung a less serious crowd .
this is far from woke, i hate everything woke but this series was a pleasant suprise for me season 2 cant come fast enough though, i hope season 2 will have more episodes 8 episodes feels very short especially if there will take a year before next season.....
Woke just means being aware of racial issues. What's wrong with that?
@@ArlecchinoAKAFather it has brached out and more or less defining the extreme far left
@@neogeo1670 and where did you hear that from? Ron the tard? 🤣 you can't even define woke
I have no problem with Maximus' actor, but I don't really like his character.
That's totally fair ! I would say that's the mark of a good actor
Thanjs for watching !
I really didn't like him until he met Lucy. He was much more likeable around her
Out of curiosity, why?
It was 200 years
Well sadly despite how good this show is the hate was unavoidable. Why?
Simple. The SHEER toxicity of bethesda obsidian split within the fanbase. It mostly comes down to Bethesdas reputation as a company slowly going to sh*t over the last.... 15 years? Just watch "Fall of Fallout 76" with it's milions of views to realize that bethesda is slowly falling apart While at the same time being driven up the wall by gready shareholders.
Add to that less inspired writing and you have recipe for disaster.😑
To sum it up fanbase is split beetwen supporters of Obsidian and supporters of bethesda(people who are incrisingly known as gready, incompetent morons). As a result you get the francly abnormall AND absurde toxicity on display.
But the show is very good. It perfectly catches this Fallout vibe of dart humor, gory action, and intresting ever evolving factions and societies. 10/10👍
That's actually something I did not think about ! I'm unsure if it was inevitable.. Maybe if the show wasn't set on the West Coast, and decided to go with something new completely, it would've been better. But yeah, since they decided to go with California, it was gonna happen no matter what
Thanks for watching, hope you enjoyed !
7:50 you responded a wrong argument with another wrong argument.
The bombs dropped in 2077, not 1977.
This society mirrors the 1950's in everything but technology, so it would be safe to assume it didn't fully resolve issues like this, but that was never presented in any fallout games, so you are right in that regard.
But people are going to use the fact that you presented the wrong dates to cast shade upon your opinion, so you should be careful when doing research for the video.
Like you said, it took you 5 minutes of googling to find that info, and yet you didn't take 5 minutes to search for the correct dates?
Don't take me negatively, I like your videos, but I want you to improve your channel, so I have to criticize you when you get something wrong.
Thanks for reading
Check back on the timestamp, look at the Ghoul's head :^D
im on my 8th time watching it some of it is just like other tv shows with filler but its very good 8.8/10would be a 9 if they didnt give me such a cliff hanger but lucy wasnt woke which is good but some of it made no sense but i do love the bs Bethesda stuff it just works
You've never seen Purnell before? Dude, you should check out Yellowjackets. Weird show.
I will, thanks for the recommendations !!
This video is insanely good hollyyyyy
Saw a few ppl mad af about "race-mixing" and strong females (but Lucy was channeling main character energy and ended up just beimg quirky and capable) but it's mostly New Vegas lore dorks who are mad
Fun moment about Dane - in my home language we have genderfied verbs regarding to person's gender (or given gender to objects - we have general "it" for cases where gender is not clear or irrelevant but when touching humans, it's considered to be EXTREMELY derogatory and dehumanizing, so we have adopted "they/them" as default pronounce for unknown gender or non-binary people). And Dane is always referred as "they" in official translation, which made me believe that instead of being a transgender this person is non-binary.
Correct
Most of the complaints are directed to the fact that the show drastically affects the Fallout universe as a whole.
Also, watch Mauler's video, its pretty great.
This show is 6/10 imo. I liked the aesthetic but characters are hella dumb and the story is full of conveniences.
Whoaaa whoa yu don’t know Rico???😭😭
Yo I had a comment earlier roasting me about not watching disney channel as a kid :') idk who rico is unfortunate
OMG Finally Someone Who Fucking Knows the Lore!! I have meet so meny fake ass Fanboys crying and complaining over nothing about the Show TV you Sire are a Gentlemen vary fine work, me and 2 others are preparing a Fallout Show Good Review Video if you wanna join in and collab with us
You can always hit my Twitter if ever !
Pretty sure that it’s been confirmed that shady sands blew up in 2283
👍👍So much humor in that show.
The whiners should just be ignored. The show is great and, sure, some lore is created (ghoul drugs that can stave going feral) but it fits the Fallout universe so well. As for being "woke" because the main character is a female, the game allows that so....
Completely agree, it's pretty crazy that there is a non-negligeable part of the viewership that really hates it ._.
Even if it wasn’t in the game, are they so misogynistic that they can’t have a female protagonist? Sheesh
@@EmyN They are so bad they would call the Alien franchise woke now
@@SirWussiePants Exactly, same as Sarah Conner from Terminator, and funny you should that because they were recently complaining about an actress being casted for something and she has a sharp jawline and of course, they were complaining that Hollywood cast ugly and masculine women now, when Sigourney Weaver and Linda Hamilton had the most snatched jawlines lol?? They are too much online and in their fucked up bubble, basically…
My critique of the show is the release. Should have been one episode a week
I genuinely agree with this. A lot of shows aren't doing weekly releases, in fear of losing their viewership ! I always felt like binge culture made for poor suspense over the watch time
Thanks for watching btw !
I enjoy shows released like this, I find advantage in both methods and don’t generally have a strong preference, but I do agree that this one really would have been a better fit for weekly releases. There’s just so much there to have stirred up theorizing in between.
Just remember, the fallout Bible isn’t considered canon
Ish
I saw some critiques of people saying that the civilization should've been rebuilt on west coast by NCR - but it makes me think , if Lucy stepped out of the vault and instead of barren wasteland she saw a functioning society would that really be a good introduction to the Fallout world for TV audiences? Isnt it kind of selfish to rob viewers of that iconic first feel of fallout, like really, players in each game get to feel that "step out the vault" moment into a barren shithole of a wasteland, but for the show aimed at newcomers they wanted it to just jump ahead to a fully functioning civilization this time. I get the desire to move past the 'nukes and rubble' of post apocalypse, towards rebuilding , towards post-post-apocalypse, but imo S1 is not the place for it, maybe S2 should delve into those messages but not the introduction.
YES, absolutely true. The first time viewers and the playerbase are two different distributions of people, they aren't the same. You need a proper introduction to the world of Fallout for these people also
That's a great point, I wish I had put that into the video LOL
put the vault somewhere else it that simple
What brothers me is that people are saying that they made fallout woke. However both fallout 2 and fallout 4 let you romance and marry a gay and bi sexual respectively. I really enjoyed the TV show and cant wait for session 2
I think this show is cool and close enough to the games. However, it i a show and not the game, so anyone tweeking about the difference needs to learn to live with their problems.
The show IS lore accurate though..?
Fun fact: Ella Purnell voiced Jinx in Arcane.
Holy shit I did not know that, that's actually really impressive, I really loved her performance in Arcane !!
@@VernierChannel It honestly becomes more impressive that she's British and the American accent is not her native accent.
@@danielcavesripfuture9866 Tons of British actors can pull off an American accent. Like Tom Holland
I mean, whats not lore accurate? All i can think of is the guy being the face of vault-tech. I'm pretty sure they dropped the bombs in the game too, idk fs
Excuse me, but in no way shape or form is it brought up in the show that the character of Dane is trans. The actor is, but the character ? We have no idea as they never mention it. Which leads to believe that people who bring it up as a sign that the show is "woke" have a problem with the actor and not the character and that says a lot about them.
lore and maps from the old games need to be respected to call it fallout, there are certain things that pull you out of the show, like the location of shady sands and how in the fight scene the power armor flaps around like hollow plastic (it is), but that can be fixed in s2, show them going to the og shady sands under a new name after SS relocated with the geck to build shady sands (bombed) in a more suitable place. get a rigid power armor model that just stays open for scenes where it is being interacted with. the brotherhood being religious makes perfect since since maxxons felt betrayed by the country they served, you cant be a military without a country, the brotherhood have no set teritory to make their own like the ncr, they chase tech and hide it away in bunkers literally worshiping it.
side note the new power armor jetpacks give me cancer and i now have violent outbursts resulting in loss of employment. please in s2 explain that the brotherhood stole that tech from an enclave bunker so i can sleep again, and hopefully one day re integrate into society.
LMAOOOOOO most sane fallout fan xd
I'm sure there might be some form of explanation at one point or another
to be fair lore doesn’t really exist in fallout to a certain extent anyway it never really has besides certain things i think there should be a happy middle and although i haven’t seen the show so long as its not woke and it is in fact fallout enough for me all will be fine mostly.also you can not blame anyone for not likening it if its not lore accurate anymore than i can call fallout4 any more or less a fallout game it is technically a fallout game but not really i often keep the bar low for anything that’s trying to get the normal people involved as they are not gamers and thats fine but there should be a middle ground with this stuff no matter what it is.if its lord of the rings for example there need to be rings you get what i mean?overall though have not seen it yet but i hear it’s good and not in the fad kinda way and if it lets them keep making stuff for both hard core and normal fans i see that as a win in my book.
I started the series expecting to hate it and I fkn loved it, I think they nailed the vibe of fallout
No cap lol, and it got good from the first episode 💀
Glad you liked it man, I thought it was genuinely great too and I had absolutely zero expectations for it
Thank you for watching !!
I watched the show and its definetely got good parts, although I wasnt a fan, but I can see why people love it. its not bad.
I appreciate your honesty ! What parts didn't you like ?
@@VernierChannel i actually didnt have a problem with the lore changes as i think naturally a new show or a new game will make changes...i also really enjoyed the set design, and would love to see a documentary on it. what i didnt like had more to do with the ghoul. dont get me wrong, fucking awesome character played really well. i just find it odd that the dude got 200 years of plot armour, without him to tie the show together the plot doesnt make alot of sense. i actually made a video on it lol and its my highest disliked video ive ever released. id be really keen to hear your thoughts on it if you like :D
Guys, im at 6:12, is this like a joke and i just dont get it? It has to be, but im so disapoitned in this site that i genuinely don't know. Please be a joke
what could this mean
I hate when people say "its not lore accurate".
Haters gonna hate. Let them whine into their crumpets and tea. They are trying to be edgy. And woke? This is anything but. Im glad these bitter idiots won't allow themselves to enjoy anything. When your in a cult there should be a self imposed penalty to life's enjoyment, so, good for them?
The show is lore accurate also
Watch Oxhorn’s character analysis of Norm.
I should ? Dors he make good content ? 👀
@@VernierChannel He makes just about the best Fallout content on RUclips: a gifted storyteller