Sydney's analysis was spot on, Toast's observation too. It's not that one viewpoint is correct and the other isn't, they're two related ways of looking at stuff from different angles, and I'm glad that they both said what they said.
Nah, saying "hot", "cute", or "attractive" for a guy and a girl is equal, meaning looks matter equally as much for both. The reason why handsome and beautiful are different is bc handsome is more "proper" and almost outdated. Beautiful has a bit of the same vibe but people still say it. Handsome is only said by a guy's mom pretty much lmfao
Gotta say, that talk at the end by TOAST, he's not wrong. So many more impressionable young kids nowadays look up to 'Andrew Tate' like figures in society, it's not a good thing.
Sorry but he is wrong on this one. The reason why 10 year old boys are subscribing to red pill nonsense is not because they’re 10 year old counterparts are saying “men are trash”. Even outside of that example, its much much deeper than that
@@jaide1769 I would love to if I can assume anyone do anything illegal to ruin their life, so I can accuse you have relations with minors, but I'm not western women so today is your lucky day
I mean, she probably was right about half the things she said. And maybe close to seeing the problems with the other half. But not quite. Can't blame her. Aren't her problems.
What she said at the beginning is partially correct. The other reality is that men who don't look attractive get no attention in the first place. If they can display what they provide, then they can get that attention.
3:17 Toast's take hit so close to home right there. I've definitely had the same discussion with my partner who I know for sure did not mean bad, but I had to put it out there. And Toast saying the same thing makes me feel so validated.
I have noticed a lot that especially women who ended up with great men in their lives still sometimes openly make comments like that ("men are scary/bad etc") - obviously excluding their boyfriends, friends or family members from that, but still having this generalizing take towards men. Maya for example is a streamer who I have often heard say something like that. It's a tough nut to crack, because the shared bad experiences with men that many young women have probably slowly fostered that collective image of masculinity, so it's not fair to say that it's not valid. But on the other hand it's very unfair to the whatever-percentage of men that are completely normal, good people and understandably drives guys into the arms of toxic masculinity proclaimers, just like toast said.
All the people making a comment on Toast at the end are more-than-likely men, while the same goes for Sydney's insights in the middle for women. The sad thing is in the replies to these comments I'm seeing a pretty substantial lack of empathy across these gender boundaries, despite the agreement that these boundaries should be loosening rather than becoming more restrictive.
Toast isn't wrong. If you actively treat a particular group as if they're your enemy, sooner or later a significant proportion of them are going to become your enemy. If people side with you, and support you, and you still treat them like trash, eventually a decent number of them are going to get fed up and go "Alright, I'll look somewhere else for empathy, then", and where they look will probably be a pretty bad place. Sure, men have a lot of advantages in society. They also don't have perfect lives, and a large number of them don't have it as easy as you might imagine. And when you treat them as if they're worthless, as if they're nothing, and as if their problems don't matter... Eventually many will turn to bad ideologies simply to escape the narrative that essentially "You are trash because you are a man", because that is something they didn't choose, can't control, and can't turn off. And you've given them no other means to escape that categorization except to completely deny your perspective.
I’ve always hated the categorization of men and women because 1. I have my own brothers and I don’t want them to be seen in such a way just for being a man, nor feel worse about themselves for something they couldn’t control and 2. I’ve dealt with it on the other side as a woman. Led to a lot self hatred just for being born a woman, a lot of shame, insecurities, and one of the things that feed my depression. I don’t want my loved ones to feel the same way. I know some things a said as jokes, but to hear it so often as it were facts just eats at you and starts to make you believe that’s how the whole world really sees you. It’s sad to see the result of what these statements do to men and women, yet there are some people who are unable to comprehend this, only to further call them “pathetic,” or “weak,” which is what really led them there in the first place.
As a woman, this was a truth that was a little hard for me to swallow but I acknowledge it 1000%. I don’t see all men as automatically evil, but that they all have the potential and capability to do the worst. But that’s just how women throughout the world have to see things in order to minimize the chances of being assaulted, raped, tortured, murdered, etc by men. It’s our survival instinct, perpetuated by the patriarchy. However, I have seen girls/women in my life hold a subconscious or blatant disgust or hatred for all men and I don’t condone that at all. It’s no wonder those people would drive some men to seek approval and empathy from other sources.
okay but lets not confuse the order of things happened tho. People were sexist first, which created frustration in women, which only after that sometimes culminates in them retaliatiing in toxic ways which can feed the cycle again. But women didnt have less human rights in the first place because they said mean things to young guys
@motyovszkimiklos7538 I never said that women started or were the original cause of the problem. But by the same measure, turning around and trying to inflict the *same kind of pain* on new generations of young men, that male oppressors of the past inflicted on others, as a form of vengeance does nothing to solve the problem either. Those young men were not the ones who started the problems either, and unfortunately the most-oppressive generations are already dead and buried, and vengeance against them can never be had no matter what you do. Our only choice is where we go from here. If society chooses to inflict on young men the same kind of pain that their ancestors inflicted on others as a form of generational vengeance, they can certainly do that, but they’re going to create a lot of monsters and miserable people in the process, without really doing anyone any good. Or we can all try to show empathy to each other and actually try to solve the underlying issues and reach a better place, rather than perpetuating the vilification of groups that contain numerous innocents (and so create a lot of collateral damage).
I actually agree with both Toast and Sydneys points and think both are super important right now. There's an excellent segment from Dr. K in a Diary of a CEO podcast with Steven Bartlett on where he expands on this, but he explains that there is a subset of younger males who are growing up and feeling neglected by society which pushes them towards these toxic masculinity ideologies. I do think both these things need to be talked about more
its hard because what toast said isnt wrong, but from the girls perspective theyve been persecuted for so long by men so for them finally standing up and recognizing that what many men did, and still do, towards women is bad and is calling it out is also not wrong. of course men looking down on women just for them being women doesnt mean women should look down on men just for them being men.
@@ccskills7316no? why would you make that assumption? also if you’re trying to defend sydney please know that i just hate her as a person. everything she does just pisses me off for some reason
Toast had a point at the end. Women can make negative comments about men and it's accepted. If when men do that towards women, everyone gets butt hurt. I think it's very ignorant to say one side has it better than the other. They both have their problems, just in different areas of life
Power dynamic in society and patriarchal history would be the reason why it’s different. Women have reasons to be upset at men as an “institution” if you will, and men have so much unlearning and restructuring work to do that they’re not doing, so oppression for women remains the same
@ndtrx you are a clear example of what I'm saying. Women are not oppressed. We all acknowledge the history between men and women but in order to move forward, what has happened in the past can't keep being "thrown in your face".
I think it depends on where the comment is made because I hear negative comments about both genders all the time. But yea it's upsetting that people don't take men's issues seriously and with compassion.
Think if it like a pendulum swing in which it had previously swung so far to the male side, so over-emphasizing the support for women over men for a time helps with swinging that pendulum back towards equality. Personally I think we've done a great job in modern society with rectifying that inequality, not that it will ever be perfect, and men that support womens rights still feeling comfortable in making comments live the above are a sign that the over-emphasizing is perhaps less needed for a time, personally. I think society is doing pretty good all things considered.
I truly agree with toast at the end there. I don’t know about left right and tate, but I do know that any casual jokes that discriminate other genders like that hurt, no matter what gender you are.
except when he makes the exact same jokes about women all the time it's ok? I'm not offended by the jokes at all, but fair is fair, dudes can't bitch about the jokes against them if they're going to make the exact same jokes about women, and they're supposed to just shut up and laugh along
@@aureaswastheone4948 except, I was talking about the first part of the statement? “I truly agree with toast at the end there.” My point was that Toast is being a total hypocrite by making those same jokes about women, but then getting offended for a bunch of fragile egos who laugh when he makes those jokes, but can’t take it when the same joke is used back, it’s a stupid argument to make when both sides should be allowed to joke about it, or neither should
@@MyNameIsRow01 To start with, if the comment is edited, it will say ‘edited’ next to the posting time, like yours that says “1h ago (edited).” Since it didn’t say that, it was what it was. Secondly, my original comment was not about the banter between their group of friends. It’s about jokes that discriminate other genders, which a lot of time these jokes are super casual and unintentional hurtful, but hurts all the same, either online or in real life. So no, the comment was not about toast and friends. Responding to the first half of the whole paragraph is like only responding to the intro of a thesis without reading its conclusion 🤣 no wonder you backtracked by saying the comment was edited when someone pointed out what the comment was actually saying lol.
Our society often swings from one extreme to another. The pendulum effect. Instead of these dramatic shifts, we should aim for balanced progress that supports everyone. By finding a middle ground, we can make lasting, fair improvements that benefit all members of society.
@@m.czandogg9576 its more poking at the societal expectations placed on women and men. Although you are right, it wasnt a conversation necessarily about the exact equivalent but the fact that we feel different things about what is said despite it meaning the same thing
To anyone who thinks that only one gender is the problem in the situation, please see a therapist, and also look up the definition of Irony in the dictionary
My brother in Christ, she was not being serious, and given that Toast makes those exact same jokes but about women during every OfflineTV video, he was either joking as well, or being a major hypocrite
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This clip is incorrectly titled Should be Toast and Sydney reflect on their gender identities and their frustrations within society. Super insightful clip.
Both Syd & Toast brought up valid issues. The only weird part was Toast saying “I still support LGBT, woman’s rights & all that good stuff,” because I’m not sure how that was at all relevant to his point
A lot of the time when dudes bring up how we cant uplift people at the expense of men it has "because women/gays are worse than men" layered in the argument
@@brandon14125 😂exactly! Always cracks me up when people say they want things to not be about politics. Politics is in everything, even if only a little bit. If hearing even a little bit of "political" talk bothers you, I think that's indicative or a larger issue with your own personal views and politics.
People are very political beings, whether they want to be or not, some just make politics their entire personality, and others want nothing to do with politics, but politics are all over the place, even with things that shouldn’t be political
Wow, both syd and toast cooked. Never comsidere the value behind beautiful and hansome before and her explanation was spot on. Toast also brought a good point, who should be the rile models of young men is a good question
Poor Syd. She gave pretty good insight on the discrepancy between how society values men and women, and the first thing Sean says is "Yeah, but" and discusses a different point altogether
Poor toast . He gave pretty good insight on the effects of random casual insults thrown towards men but she said men are trash completely ignoring what he said.
@@mob806 That's also true. Both Syd and Toast brought up sensitive topics and it wasn't the platform or the time to discuss them in-depth. Thus the topics were casually moved on from.
@@mob806 she was trying to move it back to a more happy tone, Toast was the one who couldn’t read the room and see that everyone was uncomfortable, especially since he’s the one that usually makes those same jokes towards the women in OTV, so for him to all but shame one of the women members for making a similar joke was what made it pretty awkward
Just so everyone knows, Toast's comment on men was cut from the video on Syd's channel while her's wasn't. However, given benefit of the doubt, Syd might not be the one editing her videos but its just a lil shady.
Toast's take is actually really superficial. If you get triggered by comments like this chances are you have misogynistic sentiments to begin with. It's one thing to criticize this stance(it's not criticized only from men) and another thing to actively hate on women because of it. Feminism doesn't stand for hating men, this is a side effect of thousand year old oppression. Choosing this victim narrative shows how insecure these people are to the slightest change of status quo.
You’re completely wrong. If young men already had misogynistic thoughts to begin with, Toast wouldn’t even bother to convince them to change their minds. Instead he didn’t want his young viewers to BECOME misogynistic. If the left are full of misandrists, that says plenty. You women don’t want to admit it.
Last point by Toast was so real. Once was blue-pilled, then went to red-pilled only to realize there is a balance between liking and respecting women, but not having to put down men too. Many of the younger guys out there might not have the maturity to figure these out themselves yet, or not given the chance too when confronted with an all-encompasing wall that say they are bad solely for what they were born with between their crotch.
If you need someone to tell you whether or not you are good or bad, and then purely act on what they say, then you are trash, grow a spine, make decisions on your own, if you want a woman, better yourself into a man that a woman actually wants, don’t be a dude who thinks that women should just want him for simply existing like half the dudes commenting on this video.
i appreciate what toast said at the end. "men are trash" is literally the most garbage statement you could say to others. I wish people would stop projecting their hurt so broadly. Good people are around, you just gotta become like them and they'll find you.
He's not wrong. And its almost always super slight, under the radar things that women say. For example, I couldn't tell you the number of times I have been hanging out with a group of friends (multiple guys and girls present) where one girl says something along the lines of "There aren't any good guys anymore. All the good guys are married or gay" followed on by a 5 minute rant of agreeance by all the girls there while all the guys just sit there looking at each other feeling awkward, thinking "damn, so that is why I am single. I'm not just good enough I guess." The vast, vast majority of women/girls today say things like that all the time and don't even realize the effect it has on the men in their lives around them that they supposedly say they value. And Sydney looking completely lost on Toast's comment and immediately following up with the "nah man, men are trash. Anyways..." is exactly how those same women always respond to being called out on a comment like that. No recourse, no follow up questions to try to understand the issue. Dismiss, avoid, move on. Ignorance is bliss.
men have been saying misogynistic and deragtory things about women for forever but of course women getting upset by that is the problem. imagine hearing "women are useless, women are weak, women can't do this or that, women are Wh*res" your whole life. y'all think that's perfectly fine.
Brother, they’re comedians, it was a joke, he was getting too serious for the situation, and she brought him back down to read the room, especially since he was getting a little hypocritical with it, and as for the women in your life, they don’t owe you attraction, stop acting like they should just because you’re a guy and you’re there, you aren’t good enough if that’s your mentality, or maybe you are good enough, but haven’t even bothered asking any of them out, either way, you clearly need to work on yourself before you do anything else dating wise
That final point.. Toast replied to Syd's take on society's view on women with a joke about porn. So when toast gave his take on society, she countered with a joke too. Both points are valid, both replies were funny.
You’re doing the same thing Toast is talking about by blaming women. You’ll get nowhere with that line of thinking if you want to seriously tackle the issue
I don’t think it’s possible for Syd to get the ick more than after that wild rant from Toast. I can only imagine if some random chatter said something similar to Jodi or Poki in their chats 😂
@Rain-pj5lt I think he’s being pretty serious tho since he also brought this up in Peter’s Fakefans podcast the other week. Seems like something he feels very strongly about & Toast is someone who self-admittedly doesn’t like to talk or care about politics
It's a legit thing. Joking or not, it is very similar to white racism. There are women and people of color who emphasis extreme bias but try to pretend it isn't discrimination. It is, just the roles are reversed. Easy current example is the Disney breach where they were not promoting white mean because of the DEI agenda.
toast is not right and if you think he is YOU are part of the problem. sydney spoke the truth and if you get so offended or feel uncomfortable about the fact that women feel they’re treated poorly by men, in a society whose standards were set by men, you should reevaluate your relationship with women and your security in manhood. when being told there are bad men out there your first reaction should not be to defend yourself or blame women sharing their real experiences for the reason that these men exist. ALSO adding that he still supports women and LBGTQIA+ is a tell tail sign that he should think about why he felt the need to make that clear.
i love how sydney had to emphasis on the word "only" to feel more victimised, even though its not true that woman are valued ONLY for their looks. my gf and my mum are very resourceful and caring, very smart people. emphasising on the word "only" invalidates the hardwork woman have been doing so far. although it is only came from sydney's mouth, but it just sounds like that represents everyone's opinion and that people owe woman their appreciation for their existence... have some self confidence and self appreciation for yourself. i hope that a joke.
Toast is absolutely right. Why would young men value woman at all when a popular narrative is "All men BAD" "Punish them for simply existing!" Like I get it, trauma is intense but holy fuck NOT ALL MEN
@@brandon14125Bruh, statements on the internet are never taken as a joke unless you end it with a jk or a /s. Sarcasm doesn't communicate well via text mediums.
She isn't the one who creates sexism? Its like been engrained in us because of how men for thousands of years thought that women are below them, so like sure if you think that sydney shouldnt generalise all man but she isn't the prime example of how to create sexism
@@Shelkie104 She is a prime example of how to create sexism and thats a fact. Everything that Toast said about that remark was true. It’s sexist comments like that and others that breed resentment and drive young men to fallow people like Andrew Tate and worse. If you truly are someone who stands against all sexism and all injustice you cannot defend what she said. If you do defend what she said and say it’s fine because men have been sexist for centuries, you immediately become no better than what you claim to fight against. Side note: If you’re going back thousands of years the difference between men and women become much more prominent everything was harder and more physical and men are naturally better at that and that is why men would look down on women. If you want an example look at sports, women cannot compete against men. The top female athletes are absolutely incredible and deserve a lot of praise and respect as female athletes, However if you put those top female athletes against the top male athletes it’s not fair. Men and women are not the same and we are not equal and that’s a fact but that does not mean women are inferior or men a inferior, we are all humans with different strengths and weaknesses.
@@theoverlord4ir Sydney was talking about how society views men and women differently, she isn't promoting sexism by bringing it up. And back then when the problems with how society views those two genders differently isn't as often brought up as the present and women aren't taken seriously, sexism still prevails. Were they the prime examples of creating sexism?
@@Shelkie104 from 2:10 to 2:42 while she says some things that I don’t agree with, when I’m pointing out sexism I’m not pointing at this part. I’m pointing at what is said starting at 3:10 Watch that part of the video then read my previous reply because that reply was meant for this part of the video.
@@theoverlord4ir Okay, I was under the assumption you were talking about her very valid points about society. She is generalising men as a whole which of course people should unlearn to do because of course not all man. But its like this devil circle or some shit, women will say all man from the statistics of how man are more likely to abuse, murder, grape etc than women. And do you understand their point of view? And then those men who are insecure about their masculinity hearing all man and stuff about generalising them was pushed through those phase of andrew tate podcast that women are lesser and etc, validating their feelings in the wrongest way possible, then they feel that feel that they have more power than women and became more violent against women, making women's belief about them more in place and that it is true that all man are like that and it goes over and over.
"yeah but like in porn" is the craziest response I could imagine there lmfao
it's funny because it just further proves Sydney's point about men having so many expectations on performance and providing something
Sydney's analysis was spot on, Toast's observation too. It's not that one viewpoint is correct and the other isn't, they're two related ways of looking at stuff from different angles, and I'm glad that they both said what they said.
Nah, saying "hot", "cute", or "attractive" for a guy and a girl is equal, meaning looks matter equally as much for both. The reason why handsome and beautiful are different is bc handsome is more "proper" and almost outdated. Beautiful has a bit of the same vibe but people still say it. Handsome is only said by a guy's mom pretty much lmfao
Gotta say, that talk at the end by TOAST, he's not wrong. So many more impressionable young kids nowadays look up to 'Andrew Tate' like figures in society, it's not a good thing.
He's a normal dude
Sorry but he is wrong on this one. The reason why 10 year old boys are subscribing to red pill nonsense is not because they’re 10 year old counterparts are saying “men are trash”. Even outside of that example, its much much deeper than that
@@dd295dhif it is so good why do you have to compare it. Saying something is not as bad as x doesn't make it good.
@@krx3070 normal dudes don't get arrested for human trafficking.
@@jaide1769 I would love to if I can assume anyone do anything illegal to ruin their life, so I can accuse you have relations with minors, but I'm not western women so today is your lucky day
2:10 loved the mini Sydney transmission in between to let us know how the society works. more takes like that pls Syd
I mean, she probably was right about half the things she said. And maybe close to seeing the problems with the other half. But not quite.
Can't blame her. Aren't her problems.
What she said at the beginning is partially correct.
The other reality is that men who don't look attractive get no attention in the first place. If they can display what they provide, then they can get that attention.
3:17 Toast's take hit so close to home right there. I've definitely had the same discussion with my partner who I know for sure did not mean bad, but I had to put it out there. And Toast saying the same thing makes me feel so validated.
I agree but at the same time it’s more of a ‘if the shoe fits’ kinda quote and people don’t get that. They want something or a reason for complain
@@vNasus_ Agreed. A little while back, even I would've called it a load of crap.
I have noticed a lot that especially women who ended up with great men in their lives still sometimes openly make comments like that ("men are scary/bad etc") - obviously excluding their boyfriends, friends or family members from that, but still having this generalizing take towards men. Maya for example is a streamer who I have often heard say something like that.
It's a tough nut to crack, because the shared bad experiences with men that many young women have probably slowly fostered that collective image of masculinity, so it's not fair to say that it's not valid. But on the other hand it's very unfair to the whatever-percentage of men that are completely normal, good people and understandably drives guys into the arms of toxic masculinity proclaimers, just like toast said.
u know he was joking right?
@@ffll8427 a tough nut to crack indeed
All the people making a comment on Toast at the end are more-than-likely men, while the same goes for Sydney's insights in the middle for women. The sad thing is in the replies to these comments I'm seeing a pretty substantial lack of empathy across these gender boundaries, despite the agreement that these boundaries should be loosening rather than becoming more restrictive.
This, i think its scary how polarized we are all becoming. no one wants to listen to eachother anymore
@@cc-rd4swfr, society can’t coexist at all.
Toast isn't wrong. If you actively treat a particular group as if they're your enemy, sooner or later a significant proportion of them are going to become your enemy. If people side with you, and support you, and you still treat them like trash, eventually a decent number of them are going to get fed up and go "Alright, I'll look somewhere else for empathy, then", and where they look will probably be a pretty bad place. Sure, men have a lot of advantages in society. They also don't have perfect lives, and a large number of them don't have it as easy as you might imagine. And when you treat them as if they're worthless, as if they're nothing, and as if their problems don't matter... Eventually many will turn to bad ideologies simply to escape the narrative that essentially "You are trash because you are a man", because that is something they didn't choose, can't control, and can't turn off. And you've given them no other means to escape that categorization except to completely deny your perspective.
Dr. K said the same thing, too. Young men go to people like Tate cause people like him are the only ones that accept and acknowledge their hardships
I’ve always hated the categorization of men and women because 1. I have my own brothers and I don’t want them to be seen in such a way just for being a man, nor feel worse about themselves for something they couldn’t control and 2. I’ve dealt with it on the other side as a woman. Led to a lot self hatred just for being born a woman, a lot of shame, insecurities, and one of the things that feed my depression. I don’t want my loved ones to feel the same way. I know some things a said as jokes, but to hear it so often as it were facts just eats at you and starts to make you believe that’s how the whole world really sees you. It’s sad to see the result of what these statements do to men and women, yet there are some people who are unable to comprehend this, only to further call them “pathetic,” or “weak,” which is what really led them there in the first place.
As a woman, this was a truth that was a little hard for me to swallow but I acknowledge it 1000%. I don’t see all men as automatically evil, but that they all have the potential and capability to do the worst. But that’s just how women throughout the world have to see things in order to minimize the chances of being assaulted, raped, tortured, murdered, etc by men. It’s our survival instinct, perpetuated by the patriarchy. However, I have seen girls/women in my life hold a subconscious or blatant disgust or hatred for all men and I don’t condone that at all. It’s no wonder those people would drive some men to seek approval and empathy from other sources.
okay but lets not confuse the order of things happened tho. People were sexist first, which created frustration in women, which only after that sometimes culminates in them retaliatiing in toxic ways which can feed the cycle again. But women didnt have less human rights in the first place because they said mean things to young guys
@motyovszkimiklos7538 I never said that women started or were the original cause of the problem. But by the same measure, turning around and trying to inflict the *same kind of pain* on new generations of young men, that male oppressors of the past inflicted on others, as a form of vengeance does nothing to solve the problem either. Those young men were not the ones who started the problems either, and unfortunately the most-oppressive generations are already dead and buried, and vengeance against them can never be had no matter what you do. Our only choice is where we go from here. If society chooses to inflict on young men the same kind of pain that their ancestors inflicted on others as a form of generational vengeance, they can certainly do that, but they’re going to create a lot of monsters and miserable people in the process, without really doing anyone any good. Or we can all try to show empathy to each other and actually try to solve the underlying issues and reach a better place, rather than perpetuating the vilification of groups that contain numerous innocents (and so create a lot of collateral damage).
Respect toast for that point in the end. The first step to solving a problem is admitting there is one.
2:13 Sydney dropping some knowledge.
The dynamic between these 3 are really good, Sydney is the straight one, Toast is the based one and Sean is the unhinged one.
Syd you are looking good. 👍
Sean and Toast good performance out there today. 👍
😂
I actually agree with both Toast and Sydneys points and think both are super important right now. There's an excellent segment from Dr. K in a Diary of a CEO podcast with Steven Bartlett on where he expands on this, but he explains that there is a subset of younger males who are growing up and feeling neglected by society which pushes them towards these toxic masculinity ideologies. I do think both these things need to be talked about more
Toast is right, this is the reason why andrew become as famous as he is.....
“Yeah but like in porn…” lmao
its hard because what toast said isnt wrong, but from the girls perspective theyve been persecuted for so long by men so for them finally standing up and recognizing that what many men did, and still do, towards women is bad and is calling it out is also not wrong.
of course men looking down on women just for them being women doesnt mean women should look down on men just for them being men.
I need to hear Brodin’s 6’4 experience next 😂
Strangely insightful from Toast and Syd.
mostly toast, sydney was wrong about like half the things she said lol
@@limbo7452You're one of the Andrew Tate fans aren't you
@@ccskills7316no? why would you make that assumption? also if you’re trying to defend sydney please know that i just hate her as a person. everything she does just pisses me off for some reason
@@limbo7452 just because you don't like her doesn't mean she's wrong
@@pottasyumyum i completely agree, some of what she said was indeed correct. but i also don’t like her
Toast had a point at the end. Women can make negative comments about men and it's accepted. If when men do that towards women, everyone gets butt hurt.
I think it's very ignorant to say one side has it better than the other. They both have their problems, just in different areas of life
Power dynamic in society and patriarchal history would be the reason why it’s different. Women have reasons to be upset at men as an “institution” if you will, and men have so much unlearning and restructuring work to do that they’re not doing, so oppression for women remains the same
@ndtrx you are a clear example of what I'm saying. Women are not oppressed. We all acknowledge the history between men and women but in order to move forward, what has happened in the past can't keep being "thrown in your face".
Dr.K talked about this in really insightful video about called: Dr K’s BRUTALLY Honest Opinion On Andrew Tate, “TOXIC" Masculinity & Incel Culture
I think it depends on where the comment is made because I hear negative comments about both genders all the time. But yea it's upsetting that people don't take men's issues seriously and with compassion.
Think if it like a pendulum swing in which it had previously swung so far to the male side, so over-emphasizing the support for women over men for a time helps with swinging that pendulum back towards equality. Personally I think we've done a great job in modern society with rectifying that inequality, not that it will ever be perfect, and men that support womens rights still feeling comfortable in making comments live the above are a sign that the over-emphasizing is perhaps less needed for a time, personally. I think society is doing pretty good all things considered.
I truly agree with toast at the end there. I don’t know about left right and tate, but I do know that any casual jokes that discriminate other genders like that hurt, no matter what gender you are.
except when he makes the exact same jokes about women all the time it's ok? I'm not offended by the jokes at all, but fair is fair, dudes can't bitch about the jokes against them if they're going to make the exact same jokes about women, and they're supposed to just shut up and laugh along
@@MyNameIsRow01fairly certain the comment says ANY gender
@@aureaswastheone4948 except, I was talking about the first part of the statement? “I truly agree with toast at the end there.” My point was that Toast is being a total hypocrite by making those same jokes about women, but then getting offended for a bunch of fragile egos who laugh when he makes those jokes, but can’t take it when the same joke is used back, it’s a stupid argument to make when both sides should be allowed to joke about it, or neither should
@@aureaswastheone4948 also pretty sure they edited the comment, it didn’t say that before
@@MyNameIsRow01
To start with, if the comment is edited, it will say ‘edited’ next to the posting time, like yours that says “1h ago (edited).” Since it didn’t say that, it was what it was.
Secondly, my original comment was not about the banter between their group of friends. It’s about jokes that discriminate other genders, which a lot of time these jokes are super casual and unintentional hurtful, but hurts all the same, either online or in real life. So no, the comment was not about toast and friends. Responding to the first half of the whole paragraph is like only responding to the intro of a thesis without reading its conclusion 🤣 no wonder you backtracked by saying the comment was edited when someone pointed out what the comment was actually saying lol.
these opinions are not at odds at all. they are both right...
Our society often swings from one extreme to another. The pendulum effect. Instead of these dramatic shifts, we should aim for balanced progress that supports everyone. By finding a middle ground, we can make lasting, fair improvements that benefit all members of society.
1:47 I think the male equivalent is "He's so fine." or "He's hot/sexy."
missed the point completely
@@invertedcrayon Genuinely asking, what point did I miss?
@@m.czandogg9576 its more poking at the societal expectations placed on women and men. Although you are right, it wasnt a conversation necessarily about the exact equivalent but the fact that we feel different things about what is said despite it meaning the same thing
@@m.czandogg9576 sydney explains what the male equivalent would be right after sean asked that question
@@invertedcrayon Ohhhhh okay! I get it, thanks :D
1:55 👀 Sydney's got those Qimir forearms
I absolutely love Toast's shirt. Can anyone provide me any link to that?
I LOVE Sydney just doing the breakdown
"Hold up" and Toast decided to speak facts, we should strive for positive comments on all parties :)
good speech by toast
syd looks breathtaking
To anyone who thinks that only one gender is the problem in the situation, please see a therapist, and also look up the definition of Irony in the dictionary
Damn, toast preached at the end there. Even tho it was a joke what syd said was a bit rough
My brother in Christ, she was not being serious, and given that Toast makes those exact same jokes but about women during every OfflineTV video, he was either joking as well, or being a major hypocrite
It's so obviously meaningless banter
Toast was definitely evil in asking Syd how she KNEW it smelt bad 😂 but his last statement was definitely commendable.
where is this clip from?
Sydney’s wisdom is wasted on these cavemen 😂😭
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This clip made it to lsf lol
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This clip is incorrectly titled
Should be Toast and Sydney reflect on their gender identities and their frustrations within society. Super insightful clip.
0:04 Toast that's too much honesty, 😅
But I can relate to the pressure of the first time
As an old lady, have to agree with Toast.
Sydney has a point there, and toast at the end as well. IMO
Both Situations go against the Purpose of Feminism
What is this QVC ass music playing in the background?
Oh Sydney ate them up
i luv her takes
Both Syd & Toast brought up valid issues. The only weird part was Toast saying “I still support LGBT, woman’s rights & all that good stuff,” because I’m not sure how that was at all relevant to his point
To clarify he's not trying to sound like some alt right incel I guess
@@mokkoriman71 ah that’s fair enough then
A lot of the time when dudes bring up how we cant uplift people at the expense of men it has "because women/gays are worse than men" layered in the argument
this was surprisingly political 😅
Everything always has been political. It's almost like politics have to do with society
@@brandon14125 😂exactly! Always cracks me up when people say they want things to not be about politics. Politics is in everything, even if only a little bit. If hearing even a little bit of "political" talk bothers you, I think that's indicative or a larger issue with your own personal views and politics.
@@brandon14125was gonna comment the same thing haha
People are very political beings, whether they want to be or not, some just make politics their entire personality, and others want nothing to do with politics, but politics are all over the place, even with things that shouldn’t be political
Wow, both syd and toast cooked. Never comsidere the value behind beautiful and hansome before and her explanation was spot on. Toast also brought a good point, who should be the rile models of young men is a good question
Poor Syd.
She gave pretty good insight on the discrepancy between how society values men and women, and the first thing Sean says is "Yeah, but" and discusses a different point altogether
Poor toast .
He gave pretty good insight on the effects of random casual insults thrown towards men but she said men are trash completely ignoring what he said.
its a joke
Syd on the other hand...
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@@mob806 That's also true. Both Syd and Toast brought up sensitive topics and it wasn't the platform or the time to discuss them in-depth. Thus the topics were casually moved on from.
@@mob806 she was trying to move it back to a more happy tone, Toast was the one who couldn’t read the room and see that everyone was uncomfortable, especially since he’s the one that usually makes those same jokes towards the women in OTV, so for him to all but shame one of the women members for making a similar joke was what made it pretty awkward
Oof
Oppa toast
Toast at the end - this is the fact that Toast himself was an incel, according to his own words.
Just so everyone knows, Toast's comment on men was cut from the video on Syd's channel while her's wasn't. However, given benefit of the doubt, Syd might not be the one editing her videos but its just a lil shady.
Absolutely facts
Toast spittin fire at the end there
Who’s live stream was this???
Sydeon
can fan channels normalize adding the link to the stream/video in the description or comments?
www.twitch.tv/videos/2186121770
Toast's take is actually really superficial. If you get triggered by comments like this chances are you have misogynistic sentiments to begin with. It's one thing to criticize this stance(it's not criticized only from men) and another thing to actively hate on women because of it. Feminism doesn't stand for hating men, this is a side effect of thousand year old oppression. Choosing this victim narrative shows how insecure these people are to the slightest change of status quo.
You’re completely wrong. If young men already had misogynistic thoughts to begin with, Toast wouldn’t even bother to convince them to change their minds. Instead he didn’t want his young viewers to BECOME misogynistic. If the left are full of misandrists, that says plenty. You women don’t want to admit it.
I think calling your girlfriend beautiful is the same as calling your boyfriend handsome.
Sean L. Unless that was satire.
3:11 Toast is such a W for that
Never had sex gang hype give me a thumbs up xD
Didn’t know Sydney was so redpill.
Last point by Toast was so real. Once was blue-pilled, then went to red-pilled only to realize there is a balance between liking and respecting women, but not having to put down men too. Many of the younger guys out there might not have the maturity to figure these out themselves yet, or not given the chance too when confronted with an all-encompasing wall that say they are bad solely for what they were born with between their crotch.
If you need someone to tell you whether or not you are good or bad, and then purely act on what they say, then you are trash, grow a spine, make decisions on your own, if you want a woman, better yourself into a man that a woman actually wants, don’t be a dude who thinks that women should just want him for simply existing like half the dudes commenting on this video.
i appreciate what toast said at the end. "men are trash" is literally the most garbage statement you could say to others. I wish people would stop projecting their hurt so broadly. Good people are around, you just gotta become like them and they'll find you.
Can someone remind me why they broke up again
Beta toast at the end, cringe
Who's stream is this?
He's not wrong. And its almost always super slight, under the radar things that women say. For example, I couldn't tell you the number of times I have been hanging out with a group of friends (multiple guys and girls present) where one girl says something along the lines of "There aren't any good guys anymore. All the good guys are married or gay" followed on by a 5 minute rant of agreeance by all the girls there while all the guys just sit there looking at each other feeling awkward, thinking "damn, so that is why I am single. I'm not just good enough I guess."
The vast, vast majority of women/girls today say things like that all the time and don't even realize the effect it has on the men in their lives around them that they supposedly say they value.
And Sydney looking completely lost on Toast's comment and immediately following up with the "nah man, men are trash. Anyways..." is exactly how those same women always respond to being called out on a comment like that. No recourse, no follow up questions to try to understand the issue. Dismiss, avoid, move on. Ignorance is bliss.
men have been saying misogynistic and deragtory things about women for forever but of course women getting upset by that is the problem. imagine hearing "women are useless, women are weak, women can't do this or that, women are Wh*res" your whole life. y'all think that's perfectly fine.
Brother, they’re comedians, it was a joke, he was getting too serious for the situation, and she brought him back down to read the room, especially since he was getting a little hypocritical with it, and as for the women in your life, they don’t owe you attraction, stop acting like they should just because you’re a guy and you’re there, you aren’t good enough if that’s your mentality, or maybe you are good enough, but haven’t even bothered asking any of them out, either way, you clearly need to work on yourself before you do anything else dating wise
That final point.. Toast replied to Syd's take on society's view on women with a joke about porn. So when toast gave his take on society, she countered with a joke too. Both points are valid, both replies were funny.
Toast is absolutely right. So if women dont want any more andrew tate fans or sneako fans then they better mature up
Women are not to blame for men falling down the alt right pipeline lollll
You’re doing the same thing Toast is talking about by blaming women. You’ll get nowhere with that line of thinking if you want to seriously tackle the issue
@@howaboutdat ‘Siri, play “Ironic” by Bo Burnham’
@@howaboutdat I'm not blaming them. I'm calling them out.
@@ethanthao2831 Just take the L
I don’t think it’s possible for Syd to get the ick more than after that wild rant from Toast. I can only imagine if some random chatter said something similar to Jodi or Poki in their chats 😂
@Rain-pj5lt I think he’s being pretty serious tho since he also brought this up in Peter’s Fakefans podcast the other week. Seems like something he feels very strongly about & Toast is someone who self-admittedly doesn’t like to talk or care about politics
It's a legit thing. Joking or not, it is very similar to white racism. There are women and people of color who emphasis extreme bias but try to pretend it isn't discrimination. It is, just the roles are reversed.
Easy current example is the Disney breach where they were not promoting white mean because of the DEI agenda.
I mean, regardless of Syd's actual opinions, the law of comedy required her to hit that opposing viewpoint after something heartfelt like that.
she did the worst possible thing by saying whatever men are trash lol
@@FlyingSkyy In a serious convo, sure. As banter it's fair game
these men are insufferable
toast is not right and if you think he is YOU are part of the problem. sydney spoke the truth and if you get so offended or feel uncomfortable about the fact that women feel they’re treated poorly by men, in a society whose standards were set by men, you should reevaluate your relationship with women and your security in manhood. when being told there are bad men out there your first reaction should not be to defend yourself or blame women sharing their real experiences for the reason that these men exist. ALSO adding that he still supports women and LBGTQIA+ is a tell tail sign that he should think about why he felt the need to make that clear.
Nah, Toast is right.
@@DeGonMan really good argument
@@river6076 But how was Toast wrong?
@@DeGonMan did you read anything i said or just see me say toast was wrong and decide it was your time to show off those riding skills?
@@river6076 Toast doesn't say anything about denying that women feel like they're treated poorly by men
Toast take a hint bro.. "howd you know p***s stunk?" Wtf
He knew, he just liked egging people to say tmi stuff online lmao 🤣 Evonne got egged by toast all the time, and ended up saying funny shit af
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@fahn.k.3348 ahh I see 👍
i love how sydney had to emphasis on the word "only" to feel more victimised, even though its not true that woman are valued ONLY for their looks. my gf and my mum are very resourceful and caring, very smart people. emphasising on the word "only" invalidates the hardwork woman have been doing so far. although it is only came from sydney's mouth, but it just sounds like that represents everyone's opinion and that people owe woman their appreciation for their existence... have some self confidence and self appreciation for yourself. i hope that a joke.
Toast is absolutely right. Why would young men value woman at all when a popular narrative is "All men BAD" "Punish them for simply existing!" Like I get it, trauma is intense but holy fuck NOT ALL MEN
Nah toast is wrong as fuck bro for that. Pandering to incels really
Eh? That’s him wanting less incels & toxic Andrew Tate types in the world. Even DrK would agree with what he’s saying.
I mean it's obviously a joke
@@brandon14125Bruh, statements on the internet are never taken as a joke unless you end it with a jk or a /s. Sarcasm doesn't communicate well via text mediums.
I don't think he's pandering only to incels, 80% of boys are miso" .gynistic. and he wants that market, like the rest of popular boy streamers
Sydney is a prime example of how to create sexism and she should be ashamed of herself for promoting it.
She isn't the one who creates sexism? Its like been engrained in us because of how men for thousands of years thought that women are below them, so like sure if you think that sydney shouldnt generalise all man but she isn't the prime example of how to create sexism
@@Shelkie104
She is a prime example of how to create sexism and thats a fact. Everything that Toast said about that remark was true. It’s sexist comments like that and others that breed resentment and drive young men to fallow people like Andrew Tate and worse.
If you truly are someone who stands against all sexism and all injustice you cannot defend what she said. If you do defend what she said and say it’s fine because men have been sexist for centuries, you immediately become no better than what you claim to fight against.
Side note: If you’re going back thousands of years the difference between men and women become much more prominent everything was harder and more physical and men are naturally better at that and that is why men would look down on women.
If you want an example look at sports, women cannot compete against men.
The top female athletes are absolutely incredible and deserve a lot of praise and respect as female athletes,
However if you put those top female athletes against the top male athletes it’s not fair.
Men and women are not the same and we are not equal and that’s a fact but that does not mean women are inferior or men a inferior, we are all humans with different strengths and weaknesses.
@@theoverlord4ir Sydney was talking about how society views men and women differently, she isn't promoting sexism by bringing it up. And back then when the problems with how society views those two genders differently isn't as often brought up as the present and women aren't taken seriously, sexism still prevails. Were they the prime examples of creating sexism?
@@Shelkie104 from 2:10 to 2:42 while she says some things that I don’t agree with, when I’m pointing out sexism I’m not pointing at this part.
I’m pointing at what is said starting at 3:10
Watch that part of the video then read my previous reply because that reply was meant for this part of the video.
@@theoverlord4ir Okay, I was under the assumption you were talking about her very valid points about society. She is generalising men as a whole which of course people should unlearn to do because of course not all man. But its like this devil circle or some shit, women will say all man from the statistics of how man are more likely to abuse, murder, grape etc than women. And do you understand their point of view? And then those men who are insecure about their masculinity hearing all man and stuff about generalising them was pushed through those phase of andrew tate podcast that women are lesser and etc, validating their feelings in the wrongest way possible, then they feel that feel that they have more power than women and became more violent against women, making women's belief about them more in place and that it is true that all man are like that and it goes over and over.
i love syd and toast both based mostly syd though 😁🫱🏼🫲🏽