I'm a recently retired OR nurse with 30 yrs. experience. You folks speak the truth! It's so good to hear these issues spoken about. This is the truth about what it's like to be a nurse now. The job of nursing is stressful enough but the huge amount of crap you have to deal with on every shift makes it nearly impossible!
As a female BSN, RN with 30 years experience: hospitals protect themselves not their employees. I resigned a few months ago because I was harassed by a provider and was retaliated against by my male manager. Done with the toxicity.
The stabbing in Durham happened inside the clinic, in her office. I know because I was in the waiting room when it happened. The man she was stabbed by had a history of violence against women. In 2005 as a janitor he attempted to rape a coworker in a school at knifepoint. She managed to stab him twice and fight her way free. 9 months after release in 2019 he nearly strangled a Duke clinical social worker to death but she was luckily saved by coworkers before he could kill her. If he given the full sentence he would still be in jail right now but he was released 4 months ago. While many cases like this are unpredictable this one was not. So terribly sad for her family and four children. Luckily more people were not stabbed or killed by this man including myself.
I had one patient that was a murder suspect, who was hiding from the Federal Marshals. He has a gun hidden in his room. The Marshals tracked him down and arrested him in the hospital. This situation could have had a bad outcome. A few years ago, I had another patient that I was calling. He got upset because I wouldn't give in to his demands. He threaten to get a gun and shoot me, his PCP, and the staff at the hospital, he recently had been discharged from. I reported his threats to the Police, despite my manager telling me not to. The bad part is that he was still allowed to remain a member of his healthcare group. We need to report any threats of violence to the Police and document these incidents.
This makes me so sad to hear that these nurses were murdered when they were trying to save lives! I am a retired ICU nurse and I have had patients that tried to hit me, kick me, curse me out, bite and spit at me, and even had one patient that threatened to strangle me to death if they could get out of their restraints. Luckily I was never injured by any patients and I ended up retiring early because of the poor working conditions that nurses have. Here in Florida the hospitals near me have security guards and all visitors must go through the metal detector and they look in bags and in purses.
Worked in L&D for almost 2 decades. We’ve been telling them FOREVER this is an issue with safety particularly with custody issues and infants. And when we’ve had problem visitors, they will not remove problem visitors and don’t want to restrict the number of visitors. It’s creating chaos. And they know they can lash out because they won’t be removed. Administration doesn’t care about our safety as long as the visitors get their way and satisfaction scores are good.
That's so terrifying. The fact that hospitals care more about patient satisfaction scores than employee safety to the point of not removing violent people is absolutely disgusting
I left L&D because of violence. Once 2 families were in an all out brawl over a newborn and another time a very young mom told 2 different men they were the father. They show up at the same time and guns were pulled, that's the day I was 🏃♀️I'm out!
@@NurseLiz the one time we had an issue with a father bringing a firearm in (he was a previously convicted felon and the gun had been stolen in a robbery he participated in) he was arrested and removed. We were then asked to form a safety plan in case he got out on bail so he could meet his new baby. We threw a complete fit and threatened to leave if they let him in. Thankfully after that they agreed to then trespass him and not allow him back. Interestingly enough, later that year a homeless man in our parking lot started yelling threats at the CEO as they were leaving and they immediately posted BOLOs on him and trespassed him without question. I guess it’s different when admins feel in danger.
@@tinasimmons-cole7232 we’ve also see a lot of families get into physical fights. They let too many people up on the units now and it creates these types of problems that could be either preventable or not as bad since 2 or 3 people are easier to break up than 10 to 15
After a psych patient hit me in the face ( I was behind a plexiglass barrier),my charge nurse remarked “ you’ve got to pick your battles “. I had better support from the facility police ( who were called by a co-worker) than my supervisor( another RN).
And she would have had to find herself another staff nurse bc I wouldn’t work under her after that comment. Piss poor soft skills. She doesn’t deserve to have you.
I am a middle school teacher from MD and I have loved watching your videos. This situation reminds me of the Uvalde, TX shooting earlier this year and the narrative that now teachers need to start carrying guns and taking control of the situation, which is absolutely bonkers to me. How am I now supposed to do the job of law enforcement and try to protect children when I am not even getting paid enough to do the job that I was hired to do?!
When I was a paramedic we were taught to not be the hero because the Hero always dies at the end. Not paid to risk my life but to save yours...Nurse-Jones.
I spent 22 of my career in hellscare on maternity, 16 of that on L&D. While pregnant and working at prestigious hospital that catered to a privileged clientele, I was placed on light duty. I sat at the locked door, handing out visitor passes. I was assaulted by a father who didn’t like the visiting policy. As I opened the door for him, he pushed me into a wall and held the door for his guests. The unit clerk did not call security and management didn’t care. The same thing happened to a co worker who was fighting breast cancer. Again, no one cared. That was a relatively minor occurrence and happened in 2006. Before and since, there have been many situations that could’ve had more tragic outcomes. I consider myself lucky. God bless these souls and comfort their families.
I worked at an Assisted Living that specialized in care for people with various psychiatric disorders. I have been punched, had things thrown at my head, been spit on, etc. A co-worker was violently beaten up. The police were useless. They told us "This is what you signed up for when you chose to work here." and one time they admitted that they had been told to take their time arriving after we called 911 (because we were wasting their time/taking them away from REAL EMERGENCIES, and that there would never be charges brought against one of the residents because of their mental illness.
That's the thing. They get away with it because they have mental health issues. When I worked at a adolescent psych hospital in NC it was the worst physical abuse! They dug their nails in me to watch me bleed. When asked why? "Because I can." They busted 2 peoples jaws, knees, and just before I left they sent a FORMER MARINE into traction because they broke his back. I was safer when I worked on a prison!
I live in Durham and work with the OB departments of several of the largest health systems in the US, so this hits close to home. I had not heard about the Durham nurse. Thank you for this discussion.
This video came up on my feed. I’m hooked on your channel. Violence against healthcare staff is REAL! It is happening. We had a psych patient stab a restrained young adult patient and another patient was able to get away. He went after staff afterwards. Thank you so much for putting these real events on RUclips. We need to bring more awareness.
I was an RN on an adolescent psych unit and was violently attacked by a psychotic patient. It was swept under the rug and nothing was done to make the unit safer. There were many things that could have been done. HR eventually “encouraged” me to find work elsewhere because I was talking. It caused me to leave about 6 months after the attack.
@@backpain4ever505 when I worked at a adolescent psych hospital in NC it was the worst physical abuse! They dug their nails in me to watch me bleed. When asked why? "Because I can." They busted 2 peoples jaws, knees, and just before I left they sent a FORMER MARINE into traction because they broke his back. I was safer when I worked on a prison!
Why is that? Seems to me that nurses are the real front line Heroes that are always in the line of fire it's a trip that career is like being a Cop or Fire fighter or Military person in many ways... It's a Tough Career it does pay well but they also need to better protect the Medical staff..(CNA,s Medical assistants, Nursing staff, etc.) a good Hospital will have good security. I've even seen Nursed arrested for following proper protocols. And it traumatized her and nothing happened to the cop whatsoever. She went to work and did her job next thing u know she's in hand cuffs just because the cop had a huge ego and was stupid and arrogantly wanted to impose his Will .
You did get out in time. It’s a rabbit hole. The nursing profession tells us to put others first. No! You are the priority! Always put yourself first! Nursing is a toxic environment.
Police Officers have weapons, have excellent health benefits and excellent pensions and most importantly-they have a union that cares and supports them-we nurses do NOT-thank you for the conversation!
Don't nurses have the ONA? AND LEOs are harmed at work and are unalived. The union isn't protecting LEOs from getting attacked while on patrol or when responding to calls. Mental health issues affect all who respond from law enforcement, EMS and health care. Haven't we also recently lost EMS workers?
I just failed the Nclex exam.😭😭😓 I cannot begin to articulate the level of embarrassment and heartache I'm feeling. 😥 I'm confident that I will be a good nurse . I just need to get past this, move on and persevere
@Dion Joyner I'm sorry about your plight my friend but i was once in your office shoes before i was recommended to Mrs Catherina Alison and that's how i passed My Nclex exam
I ended my 40 year career as a nurse to the increase of violience. We had a nurse that defended her self against an attacker & she was fired for excess force & because she pressed charges.. She weighs 125 pounds & the patient weight was 250, if it wasn't for a police officer in the ER at the time she might of been killed. There was so many times the staff was attacked. I getting too old for this, & the hospital I worked at did not take our safety seriously. In Michigan it a felony to assault, batter, injure, resist, or endanger a law enforcement officer, firefighter, or parimedic/first responder but hosptial staff is left hanging. We have been trying for over 15 years to get this law change to cover hospital staff without any results.
I wanted to hear exactly what happened to each nurse. 30 minutes in I still don’t know. But anyway, yes. I’m taught to do whatever the pt wants, and when they want it, how they want it, who they want, when they want it, who what where when why I how. It’s misery.
I wanted to focus more on the problems that lead to their murders rather than the actual details, out of respect for them and their families, but you can follow the linked articles if you want more details. And yeah I agree, it can be miserable
The mental health nurse practitioner in Durham was stabbed in her office. He had a history of violence against woman. In 2019 he nearly strangled a Duke clinical social worker to death just months after being released from prison for 1st degree attempted rape and kidnapping from a case in 2005. Unbelievable that he wasn't charged with attempted murder and on top of that he wasn't even given the maximum sentence.
Healthcare administrators do not take priority in protecting their clinical staff. My colleagues and I did a walk through our facility after the Tulsa, OK shooting this summer to identify areas that could be breached. We identified two areas, which we reported in writing. We were located in a very rural area, with noted activity of gun violence. No one from administration acknowledged or addressed our concerns. I resigned a few months later, but worry about my colleagues that are still there. It wasn't a safe facility.
I experienced this myself visiting mental health patients in a group home setting, she followed me to the car and as I was looking up to back out she had a siege hammer and proceeded to bang my car, Volvo, didn't dent it, she noticed that and banged in my windshield in, I was in shock and not moving out of the driveway, I finally did and called the police. The state places these awful people in the community when they should be behind lock and key. Follow the money that is usually the issue.
Thank you so much for this channel. I have experience in the medical field as a patient and graduate degrees in various psychology fields. I wish we all could team up and change the system entirely. Thank you for bringing awareness to your channel!!!
Nurse Liz, I work in a facility with similarly operations tactics. So after working a double I uncontrollably dozed off, I had a dream that I was stabbed while sleeping. This was a few hours before this video, this is my biggest fear in behavioral health is getting stabbed or blunted to death by a Pt. My Condolences to the Families of those lost...Nurse-Jones
I work in a clinic as an MA- I have disgruntled patients daily upset about their adderral , lexapro, vyvanse Rx - I’m always creating an exit plan we have no security- management is horrible. I do not feel safe.
@@Followmybliss777 you’re walking into a strangers house completely alone- unknown security, neighborhood issues, disgruntled family, additional unknown members of the household etc
@@Followmybliss777 OMG, yes, homecare is dangerous. You never know who is in the house and what their issues are until you show up. Nottodaysatan needs several thumbs up. I've been in some homes I couldn't sit anywhere, the place was so filthy. I've dealt with crazy, and everyone has a gun. I refuse to carry. It's just another day when you've been cussed at, threatened, or hit. God, the dementia people, the autistic and low intellectual people, the special people... wow.
@@NotTodaySatan557 I use to work as a home health aide for many years. I quit when I refused to assist an elderly lady that lived with drug addicted grandchildren. I was expected to do housework disregarding on hands patient care. To boot the house was littered with dirty needles.
I once walked in on night shift to a patient drawing the narcotic with a syringe from his PCA pump. He jumped out of bed and before he could jump out of bed he chased me around his room with the syringe. He was an IV drug user and extensive history of violent behavior. I managed to get into the bathroom and hung my entire weight off the handle since patient bathrooms do not have a lock, until someone came in to help. I tried pressing charges and was not only told not to by administration but when I expressed how wrong that was, they started to build a case against me until I resigned or got fired for voicing my concerns. A few years later, an irate surgeon threw a surgical instrument across the room hitting me on my arm with it. I was so upset, finished the surgery then demanded to have a debrief with him. Management supported him in every which way because "he was stressed out", he "did not mean to", because "that is who he is but is an amazing surgeon". I asked if I did the same, would I be given the same mercy? That was highly frowned upon and from there on was told to "grow thicker skin" in order to "survive". I am 41 been at this for 16 years and to losing my mind and becoming a barista instead. More and more I am disliking my chosen profession and have ZERO faith in any hospital, hospital system or healthcare leader.
Psycho surgeon, psycho administration.....too many nurses have stress related health issues by the time they leave....it's almost like the patients and hospital admin have dumped all the low frequency resonating nasty energies into our souls, and kicked us in the butt on our way out of the door. And being up in the energy fields of sick people, we have a tendency to absorb that after a while.....not healthy ....
Im a foreign nurse, initially when I started working here in the US i was surprise how passive the security is in the hospital, anyone can just come in no questions ask. The hospitals from my mother country there are security guards with handy metal detectors on every entrance/exit of the hospital who strictly implements hospital rules like visitation hours, no weapons allowed and all security related. I hope hospital administrations could learn and do, change something about it. I hope all hospital workers will be safer working in health care settings. 🙏🏻
You all are doing a great job talking about these issue. I have worked in mental health years ago and have been threatened but only had my coworkers to protect me. I have left that job for years. It is not ok
I’ve been hit by several patients and never send to psych or penalized. Instead you watch TV and you have some ambulance chasing a lawyer telling you that your family member is being abused. I have worked with a lot of brand new nurses who within a year say this is not worth it and they wonder why there is a nursing shortage there’s millions of people making way better money than that and they don’t have to put their life and dignity at risk every day. I’ve been hit by patience and when I file a complaint the first thing they say is how did I’ll approach the patient ultimate slap in the face.
I had a male patient kick me. Thank goodness I had another nurse in the room as a witness because the patient cried and lied to a male patient advocate who didn’t believe me!! The advocate never spoke to me about it, he immediately and completely believed this manipulative patient. I filed a safety claim in the system. Not even my manager spoke to me about it. My toxic colleagues told me I still had to deal with him in the future. I should have left the career a long time ago but the money is decent and I wanted to help people. It’s a very stressful and toxic environment.
Such a horrifically dysfunctional ....AND UNHEALTHY ....work environment. Nurses are supposed to value health for everybody but themselves? Whatever happens, we can always blame it on a nurse....
Again I’m going to emphasize on it this is why people going to nursing and there’s not enough nurses to take care of anyone because people rather work at McDonald’s before they become a CNA or a nurse because the system is set up to set us up.
I myself as a RN, have felt like a sitting duck at work! Thank you for addressing this matter. Texas claims to have a healthcare worker safety initiative. Apparently that has not come to fruition.😢 my prayers to the families.
I find it interesting that we could come up with all types of screeners during Covid who were at every entrance of the hospitals that I have worked at . This position was open 24 hours soo Why can’t their be security or metal detectors at these entrances ? It can be done ! It just isn’t deemed important . I work in Tennessee and Mississippi
omg, this. I've worked in many similar situations. hit a cop, go to jail, hit a bartender, go to jail. hit a nurse-- how could the nurse diffuse this problem? and terminated if you defend yourself.
@John Purvis you can be a really good nurse and get attacked a lot. Many times nurses are the middle man and the blame person for things that are absolutely out of their control. A recent shift was horrible. All issues were things i inherited from things that occurred on prior shifts. Some legitimate concerns and some not. I can't force a doctor to come in at a specific time. It's not my fault that administration doesn't address physician's poor bedside manner and lack of communication. There is no update on what time the actual surgery will take place. I didn't cook the cafeteria food. I didn't come up with this visitation policy. I didn't order the mattress on this bed, there are no private rooms. Patients & family literally tag teaming you as an intimidation tactic. I told the supervisor I would never work on their floor in that hospital again. It was the worst shift I had in the past 5 years. Every patient as well as family were abusive/anxious/behavioral issues/angry/non-trusting. "ALL" of them apologized to me towards the end of the day after draining me spiritually. I remained professional and said,"No, it's okay.It's fine." Meanwhile I wanted to say 4 hours to the end of my shift. Y'all I've officially retired and I quit on the spot. If u want a nurse, let the charge nurse know because I'm headed to my car. Get well. Turn my cellphone off so I don't get any calls and drive off into the sunset and live happily ever after.
Nope, NO one in healthcare signed up for abuse whether you are in inpatient psych lock down unit for youth and adult or IR-I do not consent to that and I never signed anything for that
Agree! Nurses need to start bringing lawsuits for not being provided a safe workplace! That’s the only thing that will make hospitals listen because they only care about money!
Thank you for your video, I will definitely be contacting Senator Burr. I was injured by a patient hitting me so hard I hit my head on a sink as I fell. I collapsed vertebrae C4-C7 and broke C6&C7 amputated left 7th cervical nerve root. It took me a long time to get back on my feet. My recovery stole my oldest daughter’s childhood, as she was the one who had to cook and care for me. Learning to walk and do B&B training just to be normal again but left with chronic pain. After a year of being out of work I was urged by their rehab person to get another job at a different company that was easier for me. So basically fired. 30 years later and I still have chronic pain and I have had to have hardware replaced. I should have gotten a lawyer. I was young and trusted a company I was loyal to. We have all found weapons in patients belongings. I had a visitor argue with me saying he had a conceal carry permit so he was allowed his gun. His argument was we didn’t have metal detectors so he was able to have his weapon. I encouraged him to read his paper. I quit nursing Dec 2020 because people are getting worse with their behavior.
No need. He’s retiring and sends out an auto reply saying he can’t help you. I emailed him in Feb and got this response and his retirement date isn’t until 12/31. 🙄Your tax dollars at work
I worked in ICU for years and this son was upset because he didn't want his father "hooked up" to a machine so he came in with a gun pointed the gun to the nurse and ordered her to turn off the respirator so she did and she ended up taking two weeks off after that. IDK what happened to the son.
At 21:00ish, you posed the question of "what if the CNO/CEO was put in that position?" What would happen is that the staff member (RN, CNA, security) would likely be disciplined and/or terminated for not acknowledging and addressing the risk earlier thereby allowing the hospital executive be put in such a risky position.
Those were not both nurses that were killed at Methodist Dallas. One was a social worker, not a tech. The social workers wear scubs as well. More details will come but I can appreciate the conversation as a whole. Its needed.
Travel RN here, had to check my contract after what you guys said. There's no language regarding calling PD or pressing changes. Only who to contact in case of on the job work injury . Who the agencies workers comp carrier is and what timeframe nurse needs to report injury and seek care
I have been a RN for 15 years, and I must say the stress that nurses have to endure everyday is terrible. Stress from keeping the patients safe, yourself safe and all the other added responsibilities is ridiculous. This profession has to be fixed and revised before there will not be any nurses left to care for the sick!!!! To be abused mentally, emotionally and physically at work is not worth your LIFE. Not to mention the pay is never enough!!! Please help us GOD🙏🏾🙏🏾😢😢
@John Purvis I’m suggesting abolishing your second amendment, making societal change to reduce the number of guns in the community. The same sorts of changes John Howard brought in after the Port Arthur massacre
Prisons have a rule that you have to have clear bags so they can see what you are bringing in. I also worked in a nursing home where we had to bring our stuff in clear bags.
I was attacked by a state hospital patient and would be dead if I hadn't bent over to pick up a pill just as he struck--I was behind the counter giving out pills. We had to lock down and call in state troopers to search for more home made
I’m a nurse almost 30 years & fortunately I’m no longer in a bedside position, I have a desk job. We’ve always had to deal with danger but this has been a terrible couple of weeks. The nurse in Durham (right near me) was stabbed by a patient. I have been very upset by this. You have to be vigilant I guess.
Just sitting in the ER this past week, you hear patients yelling and screaming at the medical staff, I now see boards in the rooms that I have never seen before about "I promise to not threaten any of the hospital staff" that piece of paper is not going to make the staff safe. Our court system in the states need to adopt Japan's justice system it would stop alot of the repeat offenders, bond them and set them free to re-offend. Judges need to lock of these criminals and stop letting them out. Criminals have more rights than that of any victims out there, sickening. We need to protect all medical staff. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I was born at the hospital in Dallas. It's so terrible that this happened. Oak cliff has never had anything like that until now. Methodist is such a wonderful hospital. It's sad.
I’m so glad you are putting this out into the world! Even in my small town hospital (or maybe especially in my small town hospital) I don’t think the threat is taken seriously enough by administration! When I had to make a disruptive person alert twice in one shift on the same patient (after begging for a sitter for hours-in a unit presumed to have compliant patients), I was “gently” admonished for not just calling the hospitalist! Nope!! The patient at that time was staring down my co-worker and had his hand on her shoulder! No second guessing on my part! And every call I had made, every strange thing the he did was meticulously documented. I was never so happy to fill out my incident report! I would have liked to have received at least a retraction of the scolding if not an apology at some point. But no. Just sweep it under the rug!
Every hospital needs armed security and or police. They also need to install metal detectors and or body scanners upon entrance to any hospital. If the TSA can do it so can these filthy rich hospitals who make billions of dollars every year.
It was two workers and they were shot by a patients boyfriend that was out on parole with an ankle monitor in which the hospital was not aware of this visitors background nor did his parole mention to the hospital.
I am a former patient at the Durham Freedom House facility. I did classes and seen the doctor there. I never ever felt unsafe at any classes or visits. I have been in freedom House facilities, Detox and I lived in the Durham women's Freedom House. Never did I not feel safe at any of there facilities. This is a terrible and senseless death. Please don't put it on Freedom House and say you heard on the streets they weren't a good facility. Facts is they are one of the best. They do not turn you away for no insurance they bring you right in. They are a Great facilities and they help so many people.
Nurse Liz, I was watching a previous youtube of yours, you mentioned some quality medical info sites that should be trusted. Would you please do a list of the top ten medical sites, or a list of the top ten medical (healthcare) conditions?
People are scared. Not everyone carrying is a bad guy. I am a nurse and know of nurses who carry at work for these reasons. Hospitals have made it clear they do not care about our safety.
My sister worked as a paramedic. The dangers of being first on the scene can be extremely serious. She had to testify at five murder trials. Health care workers need to have the right to conceal carry IMO.
🎨So glad I found your channel 👍 I was in Health care for many Year's. I see my Primary doctor every 4 months. Due to multiple health issues and now Mybe Lung Cancer? I'm still waiting, now to see a lung specialist. I so respect the ALL health CARE Ppl. Because I know not enough Ppl know what they have to go through. BUT NOW !! AFTER WATCHING YOUR CHANNEL WOW!! DO I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR EVERYONE IN HEATHCARE. THAMK YU FOR ALL YOU DO. I'M LEARNING SO MUCH . AND IT'S SO SAD. 💜🙏😇
Speaking as the child of a police officer, people DO randomly sucker punch officers, however, the statistic has probably changed because they now wear bulletproof vests and they do save lives. My dad served as a public safety officer (a police officer and firefighter), he would end up with stroke-level blood pressure after fighting a suspect, was bitten, and had broken vertebrae. My sister was just released today after 8 days of sepsis. She was in a Texas hospital which does have a no firearm policy. The security guards are actually armed and it seemed there were more on duty today. In a hospital, there seem to be a plethora of equipment that can become weapons. I happen to know the code for paging security, and I heard it 3 times in 8 days. She also had a 4-day stay before after back surgery. I had trouble sleeping last night. Just because there is a posted “no firearms” sign doesn’t stop anyone from bringing a weapon. On a positive note, my niece was treated for a pseudotumor cerebri at Arkansas Children’s Hospital. It’s not at all entrances, but at least at the ER entrance, there is a metal detector. She has a service dog for PTSD and anxiety. Because of her, many people learned the difference between emotional support animal and service animal and Neko was the first psychiatric service dog to stay with a patient in the hospital. She has medication (and a few treats) in her vest pockets. The security guard treated her like a person. My niece emptied her pockets and they walked through. There’s still a long way to go. All of the people that took care of us at every level were so kind. I have a lot of Daisy Award and Sunshine Award nominations as well as other people to compliment.
I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad. Police officers are trained in self defense. When nurses go to school, they are not taught the realities of violence in their chosen profession.
@@MNP208 I completely agree. They are also provided protective gear and trained to expect people to be unpredictable. I was just responding to the comment made by one of the panel members. The one time my dad was sucker punched (well, kicked) was by my then-4-year-old sister who stuck a pencil eraser up her nose. Dad was home with us while my mom was at work. She retired from CPS after over 30 years. She came home and my sister did not want to go to the doctor. She kicked my dad in the solar plexus and he dropped to his knees. It took 5 people to hold her down. That story is pretty funny now. Mom also was like a sitting duck early on in her career before cell phones,etc. if she was on call. Once she had to go with the SWAT team (we live along a state line so my dad worked for a department in one state, and mom worked for a different state, so they did not work on the same cases) to raid a drug house. As they were planning, mom listened to the plan and at the end asked if they wanted to know what the inside of the house looked like. The officers were shocked my 4’11” mom had been in the house unarmed as part of the investigation. She was there to get the children. The officers thought my mom was gone and left. My mom’s car was surrounded by people beating on it and she just had to drive. I also have an ex who was a retail pharmacy tech. He often carried a small gun in his back pocket. I know the birth of a child is so special, but if you are a violent criminal on parole still serving time, why do you deserve the privilege of being there? It’s important for babies to bond, but no.
Schools shouldn't need metal detectors either, but the public now look for them before sending their kids. Hospitals censor and hide things like this. I'm in Georgia and we have "No Weapons" signs up at the hospital where I worked. Security would also routinely walk in the ICUs and the floors, carrying their sidearm. I worked in the Open Heart Unit and we regularly had prisoners from the local State Medical Prison. We've had several incidents. The hospital at the Medical College has had hostage incidents with a nurse held at gunpoint. They've had numerous incidents. The Medical Prison fairly recently had a nurse killed in the elevator, taken to an pty floor and left. It's gotten out of hand. And now, gang crimes have risen 3-4x more than before COVID. I'm actually glad to not be a current practicing nurse. I feel for nurses these days for this, but so many are now only there for money and not patients. I couldn't do that.
Well, I find it hard to believe that new grads are only in it "for the money." That's preposterous on its face--go to law school or get an MBA is you want bigger bucks. And new grads certainly know this truth. And preceptorship has frankly gone to Hell over the past three years. Teleclasses are a waste of student's and instructor's time. The other truth of the matter is that NO ONE IN HIS OR HER RIGHT MIND wants to go into health care nowadays in the USA--it's far too dangerous Best practices are no longer observed in most hospitals and care centers and staff don't want to get infected with one or several of a wide range of new and untreatable diseases. Top all that off with very real, daily threats of violence then give me one good reason why a sane person would do that job.
June is my mother, and it breaks my heart to know that people like him are set off onto the streets knowing his criminal background. May she rest in peace❤
Any legal nurse consultants able to weigh in on this? Since hospital admin seems to worship mammon these days, how about a class action suit, especially in Dallas, since two nurses were gunned down? Minimum for wage income for the rest of the nurses projected working life, plus mental and emotional suffering for families, plus their retirement and what they would have paid into Social Security, etc.
Liz can you talk about shadowing before you take a job? I would love to do that but I would be scared to ask … how do you arrange that? I’d love more content on what to ask and look for in an employer, I wouldn’t have thought to ask about security.
The CDC says violent injuries in health care including home health care was 66% in 2013 so it went up. But it seems like it is expected for nurses to fix it. "2013, NIOSH and healthcare partners developed a free on-line course aimed at training nurses in recognizing and preventing workplace violence. This award-winning course, Workplace Violence Prevention for Nurses, has been completed by more than 65,000 healthcare workers." Teachers are close to 40% and they also want teachers to solve it, NOT districts. PER CAPITA, though the most dangerous jobs are driving a taxi or working in retail.
L&D, psych - both sadly and predictably dangerous. PREDICTABLY to anyone who's worked a minute in health care!! Ironically our admin offices on the 3rd floor are behind a locked hallway door 👀 I dont know many nurses that haven't experienced physical (nvm nonphysical) aggression on the job. And yes a LOT of them carry. Our outpatient clinic just put in panic buttons connected to security under the front desk and our nurse's station desk. While we are far from needing them at this point, admin got me trained to be appreciative of any little effort.
they don't care bc they are not going thru the things that the bedside nurses are experiencing. I witness nurses being intimidated and concerned about job security whenever they raise awareness. Many nurses who come from other cultures often will tolerate a lot. They'd rather not say anything so that there is no target on their back.
Excellent points about the image the health systems want to portray to the community. The approach the hospitals and clinics have to workplace violence are the same they are taking with staffing, which are not nurse-centric. Great discussion.
When I worked at Central Regional Hospital in Butler, N.C. The staff had to take whatever patients throwed their way. I was hit in the chest by a patient and was soon not given any more work. Of course. I did refuse to let them give me any of their vaccine shots.
@John Purvis Um...I hire them. I'm an employment rep and NEVER in my 24 years at my job have I ever hired or encountered the kind of nurse you describe, Mr. Pervis.
@John Purvis Do you really think being gay is a mental illness? You obviously haven't been keeping up with current clinical psychology in the USA. Looks like I hit a nerve, Mr. Perv. And why so angry...? And what are you going to do about it? Track me down? You're a joke.
Counseling in general for the moral injuries nurses sustain regularly is something I’ve thought about, it will never happen. Especially true when I’m hearing about these situations where nurses are being killed, and the armchair “leaders” are calling them heroes from their ivory towers. They’re not acknowledging the nurses as victims of this horrendous brutality and violence because it reflects poorly on them. So grief counseling after our nurses are murdered while working hard in this helping profession, is never going to happen. If it does, it will be because social media puts this stuff on blast. It would be minimal, inadequate counseling at best, because it would just be for show. I’m an RN btw, trying to continue to do my best in this extremely, systemically sick and profit (greed) driven business called healthcare. II am beyond heartbroken. I continue to try to pivot my career away from bedside, but there seems to be no place I can see myself. I’m 52 and single and looking at starting a whole different career as many others have. Thank you for the work you do Liz and your panel members. It’s so important.
I work as a home health aide .....I've had clients pull Guns on me and family members come for me. hit attacked and spit on in facilities .and I'm in North Carolina 15 minutes from Durham
I am really interested in this topic and would like to know what happened. Maybe I'm just spoiled to "sound bites" but it is taking FOREVER for you to get to the point. I don't mean to sound harsh, but the first 20 minutes was telling us what you were going to tell us! Edit please! Either during the recording edit yourself or afterwards, edit your tape.
I'm a recently retired OR nurse with 30 yrs. experience. You folks speak the truth! It's so good to hear these issues spoken about. This is the truth about what it's like to be a nurse now. The job of nursing is stressful enough but the huge amount of crap you have to deal with on every shift makes it nearly impossible!
As a female BSN, RN with 30 years experience: hospitals protect themselves not their employees. I resigned a few months ago because I was harassed by a provider and was retaliated against by my male manager. Done with the toxicity.
The stabbing in Durham happened inside the clinic, in her office. I know because I was in the waiting room when it happened. The man she was stabbed by had a history of violence against women. In 2005 as a janitor he attempted to rape a coworker in a school at knifepoint. She managed to stab him twice and fight her way free. 9 months after release in 2019 he nearly strangled a Duke clinical social worker to death but she was luckily saved by coworkers before he could kill her. If he given the full sentence he would still be in jail right now but he was released 4 months ago. While many cases like this are unpredictable this one was not. So terribly sad for her family and four children. Luckily more people were not stabbed or killed by this man including myself.
Terrible! They need to execute that f’er
did u hear anything ? what happened after the stabbing
I had one patient that was a murder suspect, who was hiding from the Federal Marshals. He has a gun hidden in his room. The Marshals tracked him down and arrested him in the hospital. This situation could have had a bad outcome.
A few years ago, I had another patient that I was calling. He got upset because I wouldn't give in to his demands. He threaten to get a gun and shoot me, his PCP, and the staff at the hospital, he recently had been discharged from. I reported his threats to the Police, despite my manager telling me not to. The bad part is that he was still allowed to remain a member of his healthcare group.
We need to report any threats of violence to the Police and document these incidents.
your manager is less than smart
Ugh I am so sorry that happened to you! Those are terrifying circumstances!
Glad you’re ok 😩
We lifted a pt for bed sheet change a very long time ago. I found a knife and asked him about it. He said he asked his family to bring it in for him!!
My heart breaks for these nurses and their families. 😔
𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖐𝖘 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖜𝖆𝖙𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌...𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖉 𝖆 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙 𝖙𝖊𝖝𝖙 𝖔𝖓 𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖘𝕬𝖕𝖕 𝖚𝖘𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖇𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝖓𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗. 𝕴'𝖛𝖊 𝖌𝖔𝖙 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖛𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖞𝖔𝖚 ❤️.
This makes me so sad to hear that these nurses were murdered when they were trying to save lives! I am a retired ICU nurse and I have had patients that tried to hit me, kick me, curse me out, bite and spit at me, and even had one patient that threatened to strangle me to death if they could get out of their restraints. Luckily I was never injured by any patients and I ended up retiring early because of the poor working conditions that nurses have.
Here in Florida the hospitals near me have security guards and all visitors must go through the metal detector and they look in bags and in purses.
Been bitten , punched , things thrown at me , slammed against the wall by patients
Texas Nurse here. The hospital environment is horrible. I stopped working in hospitals years ago.
Worked in L&D for almost 2 decades. We’ve been telling them FOREVER this is an issue with safety particularly with custody issues and infants. And when we’ve had problem visitors, they will not remove problem visitors and don’t want to restrict the number of visitors. It’s creating chaos. And they know they can lash out because they won’t be removed. Administration doesn’t care about our safety as long as the visitors get their way and satisfaction scores are good.
I worked with a social worked about 20 yrs back that left L D at big university hospital because of this..fear...
That's so terrifying. The fact that hospitals care more about patient satisfaction scores than employee safety to the point of not removing violent people is absolutely disgusting
I left L&D because of violence. Once 2 families were in an all out brawl over a newborn and another time a very young mom told 2 different men they were the father. They show up at the same time and guns were pulled, that's the day I was 🏃♀️I'm out!
@@NurseLiz the one time we had an issue with a father bringing a firearm in (he was a previously convicted felon and the gun had been stolen in a robbery he participated in) he was arrested and removed. We were then asked to form a safety plan in case he got out on bail so he could meet his new baby. We threw a complete fit and threatened to leave if they let him in. Thankfully after that they agreed to then trespass him and not allow him back. Interestingly enough, later that year a homeless man in our parking lot started yelling threats at the CEO as they were leaving and they immediately posted BOLOs on him and trespassed him without question. I guess it’s different when admins feel in danger.
@@tinasimmons-cole7232 we’ve also see a lot of families get into physical fights. They let too many people up on the units now and it creates these types of problems that could be either preventable or not as bad since 2 or 3 people are easier to break up than 10 to 15
After a psych patient hit me in the face ( I was behind a plexiglass barrier),my charge nurse remarked “ you’ve got to pick your battles “. I had better support from the facility police ( who were called by a co-worker) than my supervisor( another RN).
Wow. I am so sorry that happened to you and what an awful response from your supervisor! Completely inappropriate
And she would have had to find herself another staff nurse bc I wouldn’t work under her after that comment. Piss poor soft skills. She doesn’t deserve to have you.
I am a middle school teacher from MD and I have loved watching your videos. This situation reminds me of the Uvalde, TX shooting earlier this year and the narrative that now teachers need to start carrying guns and taking control of the situation, which is absolutely bonkers to me. How am I now supposed to do the job of law enforcement and try to protect children when I am not even getting paid enough to do the job that I was hired to do?!
Exactly - teachers and nurses need to unite
Criminals won't give up their guns
But killing civilians while holding qualified immunity is a GREAT way to relieve job stress.
When I was a paramedic we were taught to not be the hero because the Hero always dies at the end. Not paid to risk my life but to save yours...Nurse-Jones.
Word!!!
Thank you.
I spent 22 of my career in hellscare on maternity, 16 of that on L&D. While pregnant and working at prestigious hospital that catered to a privileged clientele, I was placed on light duty. I sat at the locked door, handing out visitor passes. I was assaulted by a father who didn’t like the visiting policy. As I opened the door for him, he pushed me into a wall and held the door for his guests. The unit clerk did not call security and management didn’t care. The same thing happened to a co worker who was fighting breast cancer. Again, no one cared. That was a relatively minor occurrence and happened in 2006. Before and since, there have been many situations that could’ve had more tragic outcomes. I consider myself lucky. God bless these souls and comfort their families.
I worked at an Assisted Living that specialized in care for people with various psychiatric disorders. I have been punched, had things thrown at my head, been spit on, etc. A co-worker was violently beaten up. The police were useless. They told us "This is what you signed up for when you chose to work here." and one time they admitted that they had been told to take their time arriving after we called 911 (because we were wasting their time/taking them away from REAL EMERGENCIES, and that there would never be charges brought against one of the residents because of their mental illness.
𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖐𝖘 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖜𝖆𝖙𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌...𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖉 𝖆 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙 𝖙𝖊𝖝𝖙 𝖔𝖓 𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖘𝕬𝖕𝖕 𝖚𝖘𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖇𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝖓𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗. 𝕴'𝖛𝖊 𝖌𝖔𝖙 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖛𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖞𝖔𝖚 ❤️.
You have to leave-it’s not safe for you
That's the thing. They get away with it because they have mental health issues. When I worked at a adolescent psych hospital in NC it was the worst physical abuse! They dug their nails in me to watch me bleed. When asked why? "Because I can." They busted 2 peoples jaws, knees, and just before I left they sent a FORMER MARINE into traction because they broke his back. I was safer when I worked on a prison!
I live in Durham and work with the OB departments of several of the largest health systems in the US, so this hits close to home. I had not heard about the Durham nurse. Thank you for this discussion.
This video came up on my feed. I’m hooked on your channel. Violence against healthcare staff is REAL! It is happening. We had a psych patient stab a restrained young adult patient and another patient was able to get away. He went after staff afterwards. Thank you so much for putting these real events on RUclips. We need to bring more awareness.
I was an RN on an adolescent psych unit and was violently attacked by a psychotic patient. It was swept under the rug and nothing was done to make the unit safer. There were many things that could have been done. HR eventually “encouraged” me to find work elsewhere because I was talking. It caused me to leave about 6 months after the attack.
Should have sued for not providing a safe work place.
@@jjkatz I did
@@backpain4ever505 when I worked at a adolescent psych hospital in NC it was the worst physical abuse! They dug their nails in me to watch me bleed. When asked why? "Because I can." They busted 2 peoples jaws, knees, and just before I left they sent a FORMER MARINE into traction because they broke his back. I was safer when I worked on a prison!
So glad I left nursing school before I got in too deep…
They will NEVER prioritize the safety and wellbeing of nurses. NEVER.
Why is that?
Seems to me that nurses are the real front line Heroes that are always in the line of fire it's a trip that career is like being a Cop or Fire fighter or Military person in many ways... It's a Tough Career it does pay well but they also need to better protect the Medical staff..(CNA,s Medical assistants, Nursing staff, etc.) a good Hospital will have good security.
I've even seen Nursed arrested for following proper protocols. And it traumatized her and nothing happened to the cop whatsoever. She went to work and did her job next thing u know she's in hand cuffs just because the cop had a huge ego and was stupid and arrogantly wanted to impose his Will .
You did get out in time. It’s a rabbit hole. The nursing profession tells us to put others first. No! You are the priority! Always put yourself first! Nursing is a toxic environment.
Police Officers have weapons, have excellent health benefits and excellent pensions and most importantly-they have a union that cares and supports them-we nurses do NOT-thank you for the conversation!
Don't nurses have the ONA?
AND LEOs are harmed at work and are unalived. The union isn't protecting LEOs from getting attacked while on patrol or when responding to calls. Mental health issues affect all who respond from law enforcement, EMS and health care. Haven't we also recently lost EMS workers?
I just failed the Nclex exam.😭😭😓 I cannot begin to articulate the level of embarrassment and heartache I'm feeling. 😥 I'm confident that I will be a good nurse . I just need to get past this, move on and persevere
Well I've taken the exams for the second time now and still didn't succeed, i wonder how those who succeeded did it🥺😭
I failed 3 times, i lost money to reviews that never helped but the major thing is that I've not lost hope
@Dion Joyner I'm sorry about your plight my friend but i was once in your office shoes before i was recommended to Mrs Catherina Alison and that's how i passed My Nclex exam
I worked at this hospital. It was scary 15 years ago. ER was so scary back then.
I ended my 40 year career as a nurse to the increase of violience. We had a nurse that defended her self against an attacker & she was fired for excess force & because she pressed charges.. She weighs 125 pounds & the patient weight was 250, if it wasn't for a police officer in the ER at the time she might of been killed. There was so many times the staff was attacked. I getting too old for this, & the hospital I worked at did not take our safety seriously. In Michigan it a felony to assault, batter, injure, resist, or endanger a law enforcement officer, firefighter, or parimedic/first responder but hosptial staff is left hanging. We have been trying for over 15 years to get this law change to cover hospital staff without any results.
I am so thankful NC includes "Healthcare workers" in that group.
Thank you for keeping this dialogue active ...
Thank you for this forum and your guests! Excellent points and we need to continue to talk about this so we can CHANGE it!
I wanted to hear exactly what happened to each nurse. 30 minutes in I still don’t know.
But anyway, yes.
I’m taught to do whatever the pt wants, and when they want it, how they want it, who they want, when they want it, who what where when why I how.
It’s misery.
I wanted to focus more on the problems that lead to their murders rather than the actual details, out of respect for them and their families, but you can follow the linked articles if you want more details. And yeah I agree, it can be miserable
The mental health nurse practitioner in Durham was stabbed in her office. He had a history of violence against woman. In 2019 he nearly strangled a Duke clinical social worker to death just months after being released from prison for 1st degree attempted rape and kidnapping from a case in 2005. Unbelievable that he wasn't charged with attempted murder and on top of that he wasn't even given the maximum sentence.
Healthcare administrators do not take priority in protecting their clinical staff. My colleagues and I did a walk through our facility after the Tulsa, OK shooting this summer to identify areas that could be breached. We identified two areas, which we reported in writing. We were located in a very rural area, with noted activity of gun violence. No one from administration acknowledged or addressed our concerns. I resigned a few months later, but worry about my colleagues that are still there. It wasn't a safe facility.
I experienced this myself visiting mental health patients in a group home setting, she followed me to the car and as I was looking up to back out she had a siege hammer and proceeded to bang my car, Volvo, didn't dent it, she noticed that and banged in my windshield in, I was in shock and not moving out of the driveway, I finally did and called the police. The state places these awful people in the community when they should be behind lock and key. Follow the money that is usually the issue.
Thank you so much for this channel. I have experience in the medical field as a patient and graduate degrees in various psychology fields. I wish we all could team up and change the system entirely. Thank you for bringing awareness to your channel!!!
Thank YOU for being part of it! Hopefully we can bring awareness to enough people to get things changed for the better
Nurse Liz,
I work in a facility with similarly operations tactics. So after working a double I uncontrollably dozed off, I had a dream that I was stabbed while sleeping. This was a few hours before this video, this is my biggest fear in behavioral health is getting stabbed or blunted to death by a Pt.
My Condolences to the Families of those lost...Nurse-Jones
I work in a clinic as an MA- I have disgruntled patients daily upset about their adderral , lexapro, vyvanse Rx - I’m always creating an exit plan we have no security- management is horrible. I do not feel safe.
Homecare is very dangerous too!
How so? I’m curious.
@@Followmybliss777 you’re walking into a strangers house completely alone- unknown security, neighborhood issues, disgruntled family, additional unknown members of the household etc
Omg i bet
@@Followmybliss777 OMG, yes, homecare is dangerous. You never know who is in the house and what their issues are until you show up. Nottodaysatan needs several thumbs up. I've been in some homes I couldn't sit anywhere, the place was so filthy. I've dealt with crazy, and everyone has a gun. I refuse to carry. It's just another day when you've been cussed at, threatened, or hit. God, the dementia people, the autistic and low intellectual people, the special people... wow.
@@NotTodaySatan557 I use to work as a home health aide for many years. I quit when I refused to assist an elderly lady that lived with drug addicted grandchildren. I was expected to do housework disregarding on hands patient care. To boot the house was littered with dirty needles.
How does management go to sleep at night? They also need to be held responsible.
Clarification: Labor and Delivery is a different department than mother/ baby.
Babies are born in L&D.
The rest of the hospital stay is in M/B.
thanks for the clarification!
I once walked in on night shift to a patient drawing the narcotic with a syringe from his PCA pump. He jumped out of bed and before he could jump out of bed he chased me around his room with the syringe. He was an IV drug user and extensive history of violent behavior. I managed to get into the bathroom and hung my entire weight off the handle since patient bathrooms do not have a lock, until someone came in to help. I tried pressing charges and was not only told not to by administration but when I expressed how wrong that was, they started to build a case against me until I resigned or got fired for voicing my concerns. A few years later, an irate surgeon threw a surgical instrument across the room hitting me on my arm with it. I was so upset, finished the surgery then demanded to have a debrief with him. Management supported him in every which way because "he was stressed out", he "did not mean to", because "that is who he is but is an amazing surgeon". I asked if I did the same, would I be given the same mercy? That was highly frowned upon and from there on was told to "grow thicker skin" in order to "survive". I am 41 been at this for 16 years and to losing my mind and becoming a barista instead. More and more I am disliking my chosen profession and have ZERO faith in any hospital, hospital system or healthcare leader.
𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖐𝖘 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖜𝖆𝖙𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌...𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖉 𝖆 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙 𝖙𝖊𝖝𝖙 𝖔𝖓 𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖘𝕬𝖕𝖕 𝖚𝖘𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖇𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝖓𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗. 𝕴'𝖛𝖊 𝖌𝖔𝖙 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖛𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖞𝖔𝖚 ❤️.
Psycho surgeon, psycho administration.....too many nurses have stress related health issues by the time they leave....it's almost like the patients and hospital admin have dumped all the low frequency resonating nasty energies into our souls, and kicked us in the butt on our way out of the door. And being up in the energy fields of sick people, we have a tendency to absorb that after a while.....not healthy ....
Im a foreign nurse, initially when I started working here in the US i was surprise how passive the security is in the hospital, anyone can just come in no questions ask. The hospitals from my mother country there are security guards with handy metal detectors on every entrance/exit of the hospital who strictly implements hospital rules like visitation hours, no weapons allowed and all security related. I hope hospital administrations could learn and do, change something about it. I hope all hospital workers will be safer working in health care settings. 🙏🏻
𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖐𝖘 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖜𝖆𝖙𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌...𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖉 𝖆 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙 𝖙𝖊𝖝𝖙 𝖔𝖓 𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖘𝕬𝖕𝖕 𝖚𝖘𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖇𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝖓𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗. 𝕴'𝖛𝖊 𝖌𝖔𝖙 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖛𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖞𝖔𝖚 ❤️.
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You all are doing a great job talking about these issue. I have worked in mental health years ago and have been threatened but only had my coworkers to protect me. I have left that job for years. It is not ok
I’ve been hit by several patients and never send to psych or penalized. Instead you watch TV and you have some ambulance chasing a lawyer telling you that your family member is being abused. I have worked with a lot of brand new nurses who within a year say this is not worth it and they wonder why there is a nursing shortage there’s millions of people making way better money than that and they don’t have to put their life and dignity at risk every day. I’ve been hit by patience and when I file a complaint the first thing they say is how did I’ll approach the patient ultimate slap in the face.
I had a male patient kick me. Thank goodness I had another nurse in the room as a witness because the patient cried and lied to a male patient advocate who didn’t believe me!! The advocate never spoke to me about it, he immediately and completely believed this manipulative patient. I filed a safety claim in the system. Not even my manager spoke to me about it. My toxic colleagues told me I still had to deal with him in the future. I should have left the career a long time ago but the money is decent and I wanted to help people. It’s a very stressful and toxic environment.
Such a horrifically dysfunctional ....AND UNHEALTHY ....work environment. Nurses are supposed to value health for everybody but themselves? Whatever happens, we can always blame it on a nurse....
Again I’m going to emphasize on it this is why people going to nursing and there’s not enough nurses to take care of anyone because people rather work at McDonald’s before they become a CNA or a nurse because the system is set up to set us up.
thank you for doing this live Liz! it's scary since I'm in hospital alot and this is starting to happen here in my area!!!
I myself as a RN, have felt like a sitting duck at work! Thank you for addressing this matter. Texas claims to have a healthcare worker safety initiative. Apparently that has not come to fruition.😢 my prayers to the families.
I find it interesting that we could come up with all types of screeners during Covid who were at every entrance of the hospitals that I have worked at . This position was open 24 hours soo Why can’t their be security or metal detectors at these entrances ? It can be done ! It just isn’t deemed important . I work in Tennessee and Mississippi
I’m a nurse. I’ve been in nursing for over two decades. This must change.
Yes, it must change quickly!
omg, this. I've worked in many similar situations. hit a cop, go to jail, hit a bartender, go to jail. hit a nurse-- how could the nurse diffuse this problem? and terminated if you defend yourself.
I can’t count how many times i got attacked emotionally and physically by patients after 12 years in the game. It not easy as a bedside nurse. RIP 🙏💜
ugh I am so sorry!
@John Purvis Ive been a nurse for 12 years currently on a contract job. Only God knows what we go through each day. Stay blessed
@John Purvis you can be a really good nurse and get attacked a lot. Many times nurses are the middle man and the blame person for things that are absolutely out of their control. A recent shift was horrible. All issues were things i inherited from things that occurred on prior shifts. Some legitimate concerns and some not. I can't force a doctor to come in at a specific time. It's not my fault that administration doesn't address physician's poor bedside manner and lack of communication. There is no update on what time the actual surgery will take place. I didn't cook the cafeteria food. I didn't come up with this visitation policy. I didn't order the mattress on this bed, there are no private rooms. Patients & family literally tag teaming you as an intimidation tactic. I told the supervisor I would never work on their floor in that hospital again. It was the worst shift I had in the past 5 years. Every patient as well as family were abusive/anxious/behavioral issues/angry/non-trusting. "ALL" of them apologized to me towards the end of the day after draining me spiritually. I remained professional and said,"No, it's okay.It's fine." Meanwhile I wanted to say 4 hours to the end of my shift. Y'all I've officially retired and I quit on the spot. If u want a nurse, let the charge nurse know because I'm headed to my car. Get well. Turn my cellphone off so I don't get any calls and drive off into the sunset and live happily ever after.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention
Nope, NO one in healthcare signed up for abuse whether you are in inpatient psych lock down unit for youth and adult or IR-I do not consent to that and I never signed anything for that
Agree! Nurses need to start bringing lawsuits for not being provided a safe workplace! That’s the only thing that will make hospitals listen because they only care about money!
I absolutely agree!
Thank you for your video, I will definitely be contacting Senator Burr. I was injured by a patient hitting me so hard I hit my head on a sink as I fell. I collapsed vertebrae C4-C7 and broke C6&C7 amputated left 7th cervical nerve root. It took me a long time to get back on my feet. My recovery stole my oldest daughter’s childhood, as she was the one who had to cook and care for me. Learning to walk and do B&B training just to be normal again but left with chronic pain. After a year of being out of work I was urged by their rehab person to get another job at a different company that was easier for me. So basically fired. 30 years later and I still have chronic pain and I have had to have hardware replaced. I should have gotten a lawyer. I was young and trusted a company I was loyal to.
We have all found weapons in patients belongings. I had a visitor argue with me saying he had a conceal carry permit so he was allowed his gun. His argument was we didn’t have metal detectors so he was able to have his weapon. I encouraged him to read his paper.
I quit nursing Dec 2020 because people are getting worse with their behavior.
No need. He’s retiring and sends out an auto reply saying he can’t help you. I emailed him in Feb and got this response and his retirement date isn’t until 12/31. 🙄Your tax dollars at work
30 years in acute care ( BSN, RN) I only saw lip service and no solutions. This is why I resigned at age 54.
I worked in ICU for years and this son was upset because he didn't want his father "hooked up" to a machine so he came in with a gun pointed the gun to the nurse and ordered her to turn off the respirator so she did and she ended up taking two weeks off after that. IDK what happened to the son.
At 21:00ish, you posed the question of "what if the CNO/CEO was put in that position?" What would happen is that the staff member (RN, CNA, security) would likely be disciplined and/or terminated for not acknowledging and addressing the risk earlier thereby allowing the hospital executive be put in such a risky position.
Those were not both nurses that were killed at Methodist Dallas. One was a social worker, not a tech. The social workers wear scubs as well. More details will come but I can appreciate the conversation as a whole. Its needed.
Yes thank you. At the time we recorded the information had not been released.
Unfortunately the solutions have always been me quitting, travel nursing has been an improvement, but leaving healthcare is my goal.
You have to do what's best for YOU.
I love your channel thank you for keeping us all so well informed
Travel RN here, had to check my contract after what you guys said. There's no language regarding calling PD or pressing changes. Only who to contact in case of on the job work injury . Who the agencies workers comp carrier is and what timeframe nurse needs to report injury and seek care
My contract says nothing. I will call 911 regardless of a contract and bs chain of command crap
I have been a RN for 15 years, and I must say the stress that nurses have to endure everyday is terrible. Stress from keeping the patients safe, yourself safe and all the other added responsibilities is ridiculous. This profession has to be fixed and revised before there will not be any nurses left to care for the sick!!!! To be abused mentally, emotionally and physically at work is not worth your LIFE. Not to mention the pay is never enough!!! Please help us GOD🙏🏾🙏🏾😢😢
“Thoughts and prayers” exactly what gets said every time you have a school shooting.
exactly and the result is children learning active shooter drills. We need real action
@John Purvis I’m suggesting abolishing your second amendment, making societal change to reduce the number of guns in the community. The same sorts of changes John Howard brought in after the Port Arthur massacre
Prisons have a rule that you have to have clear bags so they can see what you are bringing in. I also worked in a nursing home where we had to bring our stuff in clear bags.
I was attacked by a state hospital patient and would be dead if I hadn't bent over to pick up a pill just as he struck--I was behind the counter giving out pills. We had to lock down and call in state troopers to search for more home made
I’m a nurse almost 30 years & fortunately I’m no longer in a bedside position, I have a desk job. We’ve always had to deal with danger but this has been a terrible couple of weeks. The nurse in Durham (right near me) was stabbed by a patient. I have been very upset by this. You have to be vigilant I guess.
Terrible. We should all feel safe at work and home
Just sitting in the ER this past week, you hear patients yelling and screaming at the medical staff, I now see boards in the rooms that I have never seen before about "I promise to not threaten any of the hospital staff" that piece of paper is not going to make the staff safe. Our court system in the states need to adopt Japan's justice system it would stop alot of the repeat offenders, bond them and set them free to re-offend. Judges need to lock of these criminals and stop letting them out. Criminals have more rights than that of any victims out there, sickening. We need to protect all medical staff. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖐𝖘 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖜𝖆𝖙𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌...𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖉 𝖆 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙 𝖙𝖊𝖝𝖙 𝖔𝖓 𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖘𝕬𝖕𝖕 𝖚𝖘𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖇𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝖓𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗. 𝕴'𝖛𝖊 𝖌𝖔𝖙 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖛𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖞𝖔𝖚 ❤️.
Why haven't we heard about the murdered nurses on the world news?
There are so many mentally ill patients and sadly employers do not protect their employees from these challenging patients. SMH
This has been going on many many years...how many videos Ive saved here, nurses getting attacked...or coming to, leaving work..
I was born at the hospital in Dallas. It's so terrible that this happened. Oak cliff has never had anything like that until now. Methodist is such a wonderful hospital. It's sad.
Excellent video y'all. I learn so much from the Nurse Liz channel.
Thanks so much
I’m so glad you are putting this out into the world! Even in my small town hospital (or maybe especially in my small town hospital) I don’t think the threat is taken seriously enough by administration! When I had to make a disruptive person alert twice in one shift on the same patient (after begging for a sitter for hours-in a unit presumed to have compliant patients), I was “gently” admonished for not just calling the hospitalist! Nope!! The patient at that time was staring down my co-worker and had his hand on her shoulder! No second guessing on my part! And every call I had made, every strange thing the he did was meticulously documented. I was never so happy to fill out my incident report! I would have liked to have received at least a retraction of the scolding if not an apology at some point. But no. Just sweep it under the rug!
Every hospital needs armed security and or police. They also need to install metal detectors and or body scanners upon entrance to any hospital. If the TSA can do it so can these filthy rich hospitals who make billions of dollars every year.
Do you also want random Cavity searches like the TSA?
It was two workers and they were shot by a patients boyfriend that was out on parole with an ankle monitor in which the hospital was not aware of this visitors background nor did his parole mention to the hospital.
Worked many years as a psych nurse. So glad I’m out. Work at home for a health insurance company and love it.
Congrats to you!
Worked many years as a ICU nurse and I work from home for an insurance co as well, 8 years now and I love it too!
I am a school nurse and the teachers and administrators look to the nurse to report all the problems the students face.
Yes, I have a couple of friends who recently left school nursing.
@@MNP208 I did....more bricks, less straw....
I am a former patient at the Durham Freedom House facility. I did classes and seen the doctor there. I never ever felt unsafe at any classes or visits. I have been in freedom House facilities, Detox and I lived in the Durham women's Freedom House. Never did I not feel safe at any of there facilities. This is a terrible and senseless death. Please don't put it on Freedom House and say you heard on the streets they weren't a good facility. Facts is they are one of the best. They do not turn you away for no insurance they bring you right in. They are a Great facilities and they help so many people.
Nurse Liz, I was watching a previous youtube of yours, you mentioned some quality medical info sites that should be trusted. Would you please do a list of the top ten medical sites, or a list of the top ten medical (healthcare) conditions?
I will call, email and write! This is an outrage!
It’s already federal law that even legal permit holders cannot carry in hospitals, post office, bank, school, etc
But it’s not enforced
The bad guys don't care about law. A no gun zone is a play ground for them. That's why good law biding citizens fight for 2a
It's not the law for other weapons, i.e. knives.
Yet I removed 2 loaded guns from a patient. Criminals do not follow laws, state or federal.
People are scared. Not everyone carrying is a bad guy. I am a nurse and know of nurses who carry at work for these reasons. Hospitals have made it clear they do not care about our safety.
My sister worked as a paramedic. The dangers of being first on the scene can be extremely serious. She had to testify at five murder trials. Health care workers need to have the right to conceal carry IMO.
🎨So glad I found your channel 👍 I was in Health care for many Year's.
I see my Primary doctor every 4 months. Due to multiple health issues and now Mybe Lung Cancer? I'm still waiting, now to see a lung specialist. I so respect the ALL health CARE Ppl. Because I know not enough Ppl know what they have to go through. BUT NOW !! AFTER WATCHING YOUR CHANNEL WOW!! DO I HAVE SO MUCH RESPECT FOR EVERYONE IN HEATHCARE.
THAMK YU FOR ALL YOU DO.
I'M LEARNING SO MUCH . AND IT'S SO SAD. 💜🙏😇
So glad 4 wks ago I got a FT position educating patients with a large insurance company. Never will walk into a facility again to work.
Oh how nice!
Congrats!!!
9:30 73% of non fatal work place injuries r in healthcare (2018)
well that's terrifying
Yes that’s from the link I shared
Speaking as the child of a police officer, people DO randomly sucker punch officers, however, the statistic has probably changed because they now wear bulletproof vests and they do save lives. My dad served as a public safety officer (a police officer and firefighter), he would end up with stroke-level blood pressure after fighting a suspect, was bitten, and had broken vertebrae. My sister was just released today after 8 days of sepsis. She was in a Texas hospital which does have a no firearm policy. The security guards are actually armed and it seemed there were more on duty today. In a hospital, there seem to be a plethora of equipment that can become weapons. I happen to know the code for paging security, and I heard it 3 times in 8 days. She also had a 4-day stay before after back surgery. I had trouble sleeping last night. Just because there is a posted “no firearms” sign doesn’t stop anyone from bringing a weapon. On a positive note, my niece was treated for a pseudotumor cerebri at Arkansas Children’s Hospital. It’s not at all entrances, but at least at the ER entrance, there is a metal detector. She has a service dog for PTSD and anxiety. Because of her, many people learned the difference between emotional support animal and service animal and Neko was the first psychiatric service dog to stay with a patient in the hospital. She has medication (and a few treats) in her vest pockets. The security guard treated her like a person. My niece emptied her pockets and they walked through. There’s still a long way to go. All of the people that took care of us at every level were so kind. I have a lot of Daisy Award and Sunshine Award nominations as well as other people to compliment.
I'm so sorry to hear about your Dad. Police officers are trained in self defense. When nurses go to school, they are not taught the realities of violence in their chosen profession.
@@MNP208 I completely agree. They are also provided protective gear and trained to expect people to be unpredictable. I was just responding to the comment made by one of the panel members. The one time my dad was sucker punched (well, kicked) was by my then-4-year-old sister who stuck a pencil eraser up her nose. Dad was home with us while my mom was at work. She retired from CPS after over 30 years. She came home and my sister did not want to go to the doctor. She kicked my dad in the solar plexus and he dropped to his knees. It took 5 people to hold her down. That story is pretty funny now. Mom also was like a sitting duck early on in her career before cell phones,etc. if she was on call. Once she had to go with the SWAT team (we live along a state line so my dad worked for a department in one state, and mom worked for a different state, so they did not work on the same cases) to raid a drug house. As they were planning, mom listened to the plan and at the end asked if they wanted to know what the inside of the house looked like. The officers were shocked my 4’11” mom had been in the house unarmed as part of the investigation. She was there to get the children. The officers thought my mom was gone and left. My mom’s car was surrounded by people beating on it and she just had to drive. I also have an ex who was a retail pharmacy tech. He often carried a small gun in his back pocket. I know the birth of a child is so special, but if you are a violent criminal on parole still serving time, why do you deserve the privilege of being there? It’s important for babies to bond, but no.
Schools shouldn't need metal detectors either, but the public now look for them before sending their kids.
Hospitals censor and hide things like this. I'm in Georgia and we have "No Weapons" signs up at the hospital where I worked. Security would also routinely walk in the ICUs and the floors, carrying their sidearm. I worked in the Open Heart Unit and we regularly had prisoners from the local State Medical Prison. We've had several incidents. The hospital at the Medical College has had hostage incidents with a nurse held at gunpoint. They've had numerous incidents. The Medical Prison fairly recently had a nurse killed in the elevator, taken to an pty floor and left. It's gotten out of hand. And now, gang crimes have risen 3-4x more than before COVID. I'm actually glad to not be a current practicing nurse. I feel for nurses these days for this, but so many are now only there for money and not patients. I couldn't do that.
Well, I find it hard to believe that new grads are only in it "for the money." That's preposterous on its face--go to law school or get an MBA is you want bigger bucks. And new grads certainly know this truth. And preceptorship has frankly gone to Hell over the past three years. Teleclasses are a waste of student's and instructor's time. The other truth of the matter is that NO ONE IN HIS OR HER RIGHT MIND wants to go into health care nowadays in the USA--it's far too dangerous Best practices are no longer observed in most hospitals and care centers and staff don't want to get infected with one or several of a wide range of new and untreatable diseases. Top all that off with very real, daily threats of violence then give me one good reason why a sane person would do that job.
June is my mother, and it breaks my heart to know that people like him are set off onto the streets knowing his criminal background. May she rest in peace❤
This happens more often, then it is actually reported...
Nurses have ALWAYS been a target of foul play. Working off and odd hours, walking to your car late at night.
Any legal nurse consultants able to weigh in on this?
Since hospital admin seems to worship mammon these days, how about a class action suit, especially in Dallas, since two nurses were gunned down? Minimum for wage income for the rest of the nurses projected working life, plus mental and emotional suffering for families, plus their retirement and what they would have paid into Social Security, etc.
Liz can you talk about shadowing before you take a job? I would love to do that but I would be scared to ask … how do you arrange that? I’d love more content on what to ask and look for in an employer, I wouldn’t have thought to ask about security.
The CDC says violent injuries in health care including home health care was 66% in 2013 so it went up. But it seems like it is expected for nurses to fix it. "2013, NIOSH and healthcare partners developed a free on-line course aimed at training nurses in recognizing and preventing workplace violence. This award-winning course, Workplace Violence Prevention for Nurses, has been completed by more than 65,000 healthcare workers." Teachers are close to 40% and they also want teachers to solve it, NOT districts. PER CAPITA, though the most dangerous jobs are driving a taxi or working in retail.
Right-as if somehow we can do our jobs-thwart violence oh n also protect our patients
L&D, psych - both sadly and predictably dangerous. PREDICTABLY to anyone who's worked a minute in health care!! Ironically our admin offices on the 3rd floor are behind a locked hallway door 👀 I dont know many nurses that haven't experienced physical (nvm nonphysical) aggression on the job. And yes a LOT of them carry. Our outpatient clinic just put in panic buttons connected to security under the front desk and our nurse's station desk. While we are far from needing them at this point, admin got me trained to be appreciative of any little effort.
they don't care bc they are not going thru the things that the bedside nurses are experiencing. I witness nurses being intimidated and concerned about job security whenever they raise awareness. Many nurses who come from other cultures often will tolerate a lot. They'd rather not say anything so that there is no target on their back.
😩😭😭. May they RIP😩
Excellent points about the image the health systems want to portray to the community. The approach the hospitals and clinics have to workplace violence are the same they are taking with staffing, which are not nurse-centric. Great discussion.
𝕿𝖍𝖆𝖓𝖐𝖘 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖜𝖆𝖙𝖈𝖍𝖎𝖓𝖌...𝖘𝖊𝖓𝖉 𝖆 𝖉𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖈𝖙 𝖙𝖊𝖝𝖙 𝖔𝖓 𝖂𝖍𝖆𝖙𝖘𝕬𝖕𝖕 𝖚𝖘𝖎𝖓𝖌 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖆𝖇𝖔𝖛𝖊 𝖓𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖊𝖗. 𝕴'𝖛𝖊 𝖌𝖔𝖙 𝖘𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝕷𝖚𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖛𝖊 𝖎𝖓𝖋𝖔𝖗𝖒𝖆𝖙𝖎𝖔𝖓 𝖋𝖔𝖗 𝖞𝖔𝖚 ❤️.
Hospitals are violent places. they always have been. I definitely wouldn't visit or work at one unless they have armed security.
Healthcare for profit results in situations like this. Money > life in our world.
Wow I'm from Durham smh just heard about this too . The sick world we live in 😢 Rest in peace to those who lost their lives ❤️
When I worked at Central Regional Hospital in Butler, N.C. The staff had to take whatever patients throwed their way. I was hit in the chest by a patient and was soon not given any more work. Of course. I did refuse to let them give me any of their vaccine shots.
I refused to work at Peds too due to the amount of child abuse!
That is horrifying.
@John Purvis Data? Statistics? Source(s)?
@John Purvis Um...I hire them. I'm an employment rep and NEVER in my 24 years at my job have I ever hired or encountered the kind of nurse you describe, Mr. Pervis.
@John Purvis Do you really think being gay is a mental illness? You obviously haven't been keeping up with current clinical psychology in the USA. Looks like I hit a nerve, Mr. Perv. And why so angry...? And what are you going to do about it? Track me down? You're a joke.
@John Purvis And I've blocked you, too. Bye bye.
Counseling in general for the moral injuries nurses sustain regularly is something I’ve thought about, it will never happen. Especially true when I’m hearing about these situations where nurses are being killed, and the armchair “leaders” are calling them heroes from their ivory towers. They’re not acknowledging the nurses as victims of this horrendous brutality and violence because it reflects poorly on them. So grief counseling after our nurses are murdered while working hard in this helping profession, is never going to happen. If it does, it will be because social media puts this stuff on blast. It would be minimal, inadequate counseling at best, because it would just be for show.
I’m an RN btw, trying to continue to do my best in this extremely, systemically sick and profit (greed) driven business called healthcare. II am beyond heartbroken. I continue to try to pivot my career away from bedside, but there seems to be no place I can see myself. I’m 52 and single and looking at starting a whole different career as many others have.
Thank you for the work you do Liz and your panel members. It’s so important.
Healthcare workers should have more protection in the workplace however this never happens !
Thank you for the information. I just emailed my letter to my senator!
Thank you!!!
I work as a home health aide .....I've had clients pull Guns on me and family members come for me. hit attacked and spit on in facilities .and I'm in North Carolina 15 minutes from Durham
Please give yourself a better chance of safety and try assisted living. I’m so sorry that happened to you.
I like that you say how it is!
Thanks!
Thanks for the information but it was almost 9 minutes before you got to the story.
I am really interested in this topic and would like to know what happened. Maybe I'm just spoiled to "sound bites" but it is taking FOREVER for you to get to the point. I don't mean to sound harsh, but the first 20 minutes was telling us what you were going to tell us! Edit please! Either during the recording edit yourself or afterwards, edit your tape.
What specifics are you interested in?
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