Well why did this happen? 1) one day before the start of Tesla access and no navigation from Kia prior to start date. 2) free subpar adapters which could damage you EV , EA or Tesla chargers. 3) all of us early adopters who proudly we guinea pig for all the software updates, headlights, battery charging, rear stop lights (there at least 20 or so) and they have the Gual to not grant us a free charger for figuring out the issues with these new EVs. 4) ICCU and 12 volt battery replacement issues (no more has to be said) I did feel this may happen with no navagation update offered, which mean that we would have to find the chargers and no battery preconditioning for those charger. Well that enough for today I still love my car but Kia has and is making many missteps. Hope Tesla works this out with them and Kia remembers the early adopters who helped them figure out the pro and cons of the EV. Thanks
You're not wrong, obviously. For what it's worth, as a Nissan LEAF early adopter (2012 and 2016), I was disappointed that Nissan also has treated early LEAF owners like crap. And now shockingly Nissan is failing as a company and even the merger may not save them. Let's hope Kia does better. I would still prefer my next EV not come from Tesla, but for that I like the idea of having access to a wider array of public chargers.
Not yet. Hopefully they'll allow Kia/Hyundais soon. Some people managed to fool it by saying their car was a Hyundai Ioniq 5, but I've since heard they closed that loophole. I've also heard that older cars like the Niro EV might need a dealer software update. Let's see what Kia has to say.
I think this is the main biggest reason I refuse to convert to an electric car. I know even if they don't have my octane, a slightly higher octane gas will still run without issue in my car. It's actually more expensive too if you're not charging at home. $35 in my forte for about 400mile range but these cars could cost about the same or more for a little over half that range. I have nothing against people that like ev cars but there are so many steps to getting things to just work properly especially on long distance trips i just can't see the reliability as a main vehicle
I get what you are saying, but as a EV owner let me dispel some of your anxiety (and do not take this as me trying to convince you). If you live in a house, be it a single family home or a duplex, and can install a level 2 charger at home, it will save you a lot of money on fuel. And every day will come out to a fully fueled vehicle. Also with a EV, you do not have all the other maintenance you have with a Gas car. No Oil changes, no Oil filters, no Transmission fluid, No alternators going bad, and so on. All you have is Break pads, Break fluid, Tires and Wiper blades (all same as a gas car). As for long trips, in most of the newer EV's you can get from 260 miles - 350 miles on a full charge. There are plenty of apps to show you where charging stations are along the route you are taking. Cost to charge is lower than Gas (right now). You are saying it would take you $35 to fill your tank, and it would take me about $18 to fill mine, but yes you are getting more range than me. The biggest difference is the amount of time it takes. Filling a car with Gas takes about 5 min, while charging can take between 30 - 90 min to fill up. This bring us to your final statement, "i just can't see the reliability as a main vehicle". And you might be right here, but you have to look at how often do you take long trips, where you drive your car on the trip. If you mainly stay within 100 miles of your house and only go on long trips once a year, then an EV would be a reliable main car. If you go on long trips 1-2 time a month in your car, then a Gas car would be better suited to your needs. Also back to my first statement, if you live in an apartment building or condo where you do not have the ability to install a level 2 charger at home, then again a Gas car would be better for you. Hope this helps.
I understand what you're saying and things will start to get better with everyone going to the NACS standard as well as plug and charge technology. It's not always easy being an early adopter. Once bridge technology is the plug-in hybrid (PHEV). That allows you to take advantage of cheaper charging (see easy way to compare: ruclips.net/video/OEcttZPdG14/видео.html) and still maintain the ability to use gas for road trips. That does introduce some complexity and means you still have to do ICE maintenance like oil changes, belts, hoses, spark plugs, etc.
Very helpful and very clear communications… Thank you!
Yay!
Well why did this happen?
1) one day before the start of Tesla access and no navigation from Kia prior to start date.
2) free subpar adapters which could damage you EV , EA or Tesla chargers.
3) all of us early adopters who proudly we guinea pig for all the software updates, headlights, battery charging, rear stop lights (there at least 20 or so) and they have the Gual to not grant us a free charger for figuring out the issues with these new EVs.
4) ICCU and 12 volt battery replacement issues (no more has to be said)
I did feel this may happen with no navagation update offered, which mean that we would have to find the chargers and no battery preconditioning for those charger.
Well that enough for today
I still love my car but Kia has and is making many missteps.
Hope Tesla works this out with them and Kia remembers the early adopters who helped them figure out the pro and cons of the EV.
Thanks
You're not wrong, obviously. For what it's worth, as a Nissan LEAF early adopter (2012 and 2016), I was disappointed that Nissan also has treated early LEAF owners like crap. And now shockingly Nissan is failing as a company and even the merger may not save them.
Let's hope Kia does better. I would still prefer my next EV not come from Tesla, but for that I like the idea of having access to a wider array of public chargers.
I do notsee juice coming out of der superchargers
Not yet. Hopefully they'll allow Kia/Hyundais soon. Some people managed to fool it by saying their car was a Hyundai Ioniq 5, but I've since heard they closed that loophole. I've also heard that older cars like the Niro EV might need a dealer software update. Let's see what Kia has to say.
I think this is the main biggest reason I refuse to convert to an electric car. I know even if they don't have my octane, a slightly higher octane gas will still run without issue in my car. It's actually more expensive too if you're not charging at home. $35 in my forte for about 400mile range but these cars could cost about the same or more for a little over half that range. I have nothing against people that like ev cars but there are so many steps to getting things to just work properly especially on long distance trips i just can't see the reliability as a main vehicle
I get what you are saying, but as a EV owner let me dispel some of your anxiety (and do not take this as me trying to convince you). If you live in a house, be it a single family home or a duplex, and can install a level 2 charger at home, it will save you a lot of money on fuel. And every day will come out to a fully fueled vehicle. Also with a EV, you do not have all the other maintenance you have with a Gas car. No Oil changes, no Oil filters, no Transmission fluid, No alternators going bad, and so on. All you have is Break pads, Break fluid, Tires and Wiper blades (all same as a gas car). As for long trips, in most of the newer EV's you can get from 260 miles - 350 miles on a full charge. There are plenty of apps to show you where charging stations are along the route you are taking. Cost to charge is lower than Gas (right now). You are saying it would take you $35 to fill your tank, and it would take me about $18 to fill mine, but yes you are getting more range than me. The biggest difference is the amount of time it takes. Filling a car with Gas takes about 5 min, while charging can take between 30 - 90 min to fill up.
This bring us to your final statement, "i just can't see the reliability as a main vehicle". And you might be right here, but you have to look at how often do you take long trips, where you drive your car on the trip. If you mainly stay within 100 miles of your house and only go on long trips once a year, then an EV would be a reliable main car. If you go on long trips 1-2 time a month in your car, then a Gas car would be better suited to your needs. Also back to my first statement, if you live in an apartment building or condo where you do not have the ability to install a level 2 charger at home, then again a Gas car would be better for you. Hope this helps.
I understand what you're saying and things will start to get better with everyone going to the NACS standard as well as plug and charge technology. It's not always easy being an early adopter. Once bridge technology is the plug-in hybrid (PHEV). That allows you to take advantage of cheaper charging (see easy way to compare: ruclips.net/video/OEcttZPdG14/видео.html) and still maintain the ability to use gas for road trips. That does introduce some complexity and means you still have to do ICE maintenance like oil changes, belts, hoses, spark plugs, etc.