@@santiagobenedini1415 I don't know that they should. I guess it a tricky balancing act so that's why they don't do it here,they pinch it. I'm still more outraged that they don't share the wine
@@santiagobenedini1415 maybe it's an European thing cause it's the same here (Vatican) and in my country. Just logistically I think it would be hard to balance a 2g chips on your thumbs
1:58 - 2:25 Cardinal Strauss, the German Cardinal who presided over the Papal funeral and the Conclave was modeled after the recently deceased Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
0:50 - 2:25 The commentary here is a reenactent of the narration describing the rituals of Papal death and funeral from Morris West's "The Shoes of the Fisherman" - a 1968 movie starring Anthony Quinn, who played a Russian cardinal who was elected as fictional Pope Kiril I
In this film, all references to the Catholic church and especially to the death of the pope and the conclave are absolutely false or at least absurd and ridiculous. The writers did a lousy job of documentation.
How could you say this? Let's see some of the parts of this clip which are actually true and follow the procedure of a Conclave. You can give a look in internet videos after John Paul II's death or in the church's own documents issued in 2005 . 1. 00:08 Destruction of the papal seal by the Camerlengo, in the presence of cardinals as witnesses 2. 01:02 Sealing of papal apartments by the Camerlengo. 3. 1:15 Procession with the pope's body in open display through Saint Peter's Square. 4. The "preferiti", actually called "papabile" are also well known within the college of cardinals, e.g. Eugenio Pacelli (Pius XII), Giovanni Battista Montini (Paul VI), and Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) were all papabile. I agree that some parts are embellished for cinematographic purposes, but to call all a lie or ridiculous is incorrect on your part. I understand you may be a catholic and wished thing were different, less pompous. Yet, it is the way it is!
@@lukasmontenegro3558 Excuse me for my insistence: Nothing that appears in the film follows the procedure of the conclave. 1. 00:24: The black sleeve of the cassock is the first mistake: the camerlengo IS a cardinal, he cannot be a priest (later we see him acting as an acolyte of the "Great Elector", a character who does not exist in the reality of the conclaves); 2. 01:05: A voice says that at that moment: nine days of mourning begin, called "vacant see", confusing the "novemdiales" (9-day period of Vatican mourning) with the time that elapses until there is a new pope. 3. 1:15 am: The transfer (not procession) with the body of the deceased pope is carried out from the Clementine Room of the Palazzo Regio to the Basilica of Saint Peter, passing through the side of Saint Peter's Square; in this transfer there are no official representatives of any country (at 01:28 people in uniform are seen in the front row, as if they were kings of some country); it is witnessed by the faithful who are in the square at that moment, and it certainly does not go around the obelisk that is in the center of the square. 1:50, the "preferiti" are presented as the main candidates (they are even in the first row), the "papabili" are supposedly favorite cardinals according to the press and Vatican specialists. Simply, there are no "preferiti". And these are the absurd errors that appear in these two and a half minutes. There are also wardrobe errors. The cardinals do not wear the miter in this transfer, but rather the biretta, the miter is used exclusively in masses and liturgical services; The rest of the movie is filled with more mistakes and nonsense. Obviously the scriptwriters were not well documented. ruclips.net/video/MYmVV_CH2eI/видео.html Video of the transfer of the body of the Pope to Saint Peter's Basilica.
@@ciatro Thank you very much for pointing out the mistakes. I wonder if Hollywood is ever able to make a film on the Catholic Church without making so many errors in such a short time.
Nothing that is said is real. The camerlengo must be a cardinal, he cannot be a priest; the nine days mentioned are not those of the "vacant see" but those of the pope's funeral; there are no "preferiti", there is no procession with the pope around the obelisk in Saint Peter's Square. Everything is a mess.
@@fibeltek1328 No, in reality this first procession to transfer the body of the Pope is carried out from the Pauline library and crosses Saint Peter's Square only on one side, it does not go around the obelisk, and heads of state do not attend, as is the case at the funeral, but only the faithful who are in the square at that moment. There are many videos of that transfer of John Paul II.
They would never, ever officially endorse any individual as a "preferite", that title does not exist. To do so would undermine the entire selection process. There has never been a system for declaring heirs apparent to the throne of saint Peter. The closest thing is the status of "papabile" which means that person is considered qualified for the job. However that is an unnoficial status bestowed by commentators and not jn any way recognized in any real capacity.
Xin chúa ban cho linh hồn đức giáo hoàng beneditto 16 lên thẳng cùng với chúa luôn chúa ơi amen amen amen nhưng xin đừng theo y con nhưng hãy theo y chúa đến muôn đời amen amen amen amen
Xin chúa ban cho tât ca các linh hôn các đức hồng y khắp nơi trên thế giới lên thẳng cùng với chúa luôn chúa ơi amen amen amen nhưng xin đừng theo y con nhưng hãy theo y chúa đến muôn đời amen amen amen amen
no one is worshiping a dead man, but paying homage of honor to the head of God's church, Christ's ambassador on earth, and if he is a saint, what's the problem in worshiping him? Christ gave the keys to Peter and he to his successors. In the bible there is a passage in which the PAPADO is INSTITUTED by God. God wants us to ask for the intercession of the saints.
Reading the books of the New Testament, we probably asked ourselves more than once: *"Why 2000 years we do not see those miracles that accompanied the Сhurch of Christ in the I century, as described in the New Testament?"* Why do the so-called preachers of Christ have to prove that Jesus really existed and atheists boldly deny the historicity or divine origin of Christ? Maybe because the Сhurch of Christ has not existed for 2000 years? The Сhurch does not exist in the form in which it is presented in the books of the New Testament, but there are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other christian sects claiming to be the place of the Church, but they not have the only thing that distinguishes the divine from the human and is characteristic of just the Сhurch of Christ -the reinforcement of the word with signs, that is, miracles (Mark 16:15-20). Therefore, some researchers doubt the historicity of Christ, and some of them are not opposed to declaring him a an ordinary philosopher, teacher. But even if Jesus were an ordinary philosopher, his disciples would be ordinary followers of Jesus. And they would not dare to write about the miracles that not only Jesus, but also his disciples, could perform. In this world, the great fertility of atheism can be explained by the fact that there is no main opponent of critics of the Bible - the Church. If there were the Church in our time as described by the authors of the New Testament books, where miracles are performed, the sick are healed, where prophesied, and the dead are raised, no one would doubt the historicity of Christ. Then there would be the same controversy throughout the world as in the first century - Jesus the Son of God or the false prophet who seduces the world by miracles. As a result, we can say that the emergence and development of christian sects and atheism was the result of the fact that over the 2000 years the Сhurch of Christ did not exist. Find *"The Mystery about the Church of Christ"* video on RUclips. The video reveals the prophecy of the disappearance and reappearance of the Church of Christ before the End of the World. Watching this video will give hope to all who sincerely seek God and will interest those who are not too lazy to think freely. Click on my name to watch the video (The video is in Russian, but English subtitles are included).
Xin chúa ban cho tât ca các linh hôn các đức giáo hoàng lên thẳng cùng với chúa luôn chúa ơi amen amen amen nhưng xin đừng theo y con nhưng hãy theo y chúa đến muôn đời amen amen amen amen
@2:20 A priest would never hold the Host like that.
What? They do it all the time with the one they take themselves
@@JB-tt6cti believe they gotta hold them with the tip of their thumbs only
@@santiagobenedini1415 I don't know that they should. I guess it a tricky balancing act so that's why they don't do it here,they pinch it. I'm still more outraged that they don't share the wine
@@JB-tt6ct i wouldn't know since im not a priest mate, but from what i remember from the time i attended mass, they held it in that manner
@@santiagobenedini1415 maybe it's an European thing cause it's the same here (Vatican) and in my country. Just logistically I think it would be hard to balance a 2g chips on your thumbs
1:58 - 2:25 Cardinal Strauss, the German Cardinal who presided over the Papal funeral and the Conclave was modeled after the recently deceased Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)
1:49 - From left to right
Cardinal Guidera🔥🔥🔥
Cardinal Lamasse💨💨
Cardinal Ebner🪨
Cardinal Baggia🌊🌊🌊🌊
The prefereti (in the novel) or the papabile (in real life)
0:50 - 2:25 The commentary here is a reenactent of the narration describing the rituals of Papal death and funeral from Morris West's "The Shoes of the Fisherman" - a 1968 movie starring Anthony Quinn, who played a Russian cardinal who was elected as fictional Pope Kiril I
Have to watch
John 8:51
Very truly I tell you, whoever obeys my word will never see death.”
In this film, all references to the Catholic church and especially to the death of the pope and the conclave are absolutely false or at least absurd and ridiculous. The writers did a lousy job of documentation.
How could you say this? Let's see some of the parts of this clip which are actually true and follow the procedure of a Conclave. You can give a look in internet videos after John Paul II's death or in the church's own documents issued in 2005 .
1. 00:08 Destruction of the papal seal by the Camerlengo, in the presence of cardinals as witnesses
2. 01:02 Sealing of papal apartments by the Camerlengo.
3. 1:15 Procession with the pope's body in open display through Saint Peter's Square.
4. The "preferiti", actually called "papabile" are also well known within the college of cardinals, e.g. Eugenio Pacelli (Pius XII), Giovanni Battista Montini (Paul VI), and Joseph Ratzinger (Benedict XVI) were all papabile.
I agree that some parts are embellished for cinematographic purposes, but to call all a lie or ridiculous is incorrect on your part. I understand you may be a catholic and wished thing were different, less pompous. Yet, it is the way it is!
@@lukasmontenegro3558 Excuse me for my insistence: Nothing that appears in the film follows the procedure of the conclave. 1. 00:24: The black sleeve of the cassock is the first mistake: the camerlengo IS a cardinal, he cannot be a priest (later we see him acting as an acolyte of the "Great Elector", a character who does not exist in the reality of the conclaves); 2. 01:05: A voice says that at that moment: nine days of mourning begin, called "vacant see", confusing the "novemdiales" (9-day period of Vatican mourning) with the time that elapses until there is a new pope. 3. 1:15 am: The transfer (not procession) with the body of the deceased pope is carried out from the Clementine Room of the Palazzo Regio to the Basilica of Saint Peter, passing through the side of Saint Peter's Square; in this transfer there are no official representatives of any country (at 01:28 people in uniform are seen in the front row, as if they were kings of some country); it is witnessed by the faithful who are in the square at that moment, and it certainly does not go around the obelisk that is in the center of the square. 1:50, the "preferiti" are presented as the main candidates (they are even in the first row), the "papabili" are supposedly favorite cardinals according to the press and Vatican specialists. Simply, there are no "preferiti".
And these are the absurd errors that appear in these two and a half minutes. There are also wardrobe errors. The cardinals do not wear the miter in this transfer, but rather the biretta, the miter is used exclusively in masses and liturgical services; The rest of the movie is filled with more mistakes and nonsense. Obviously the scriptwriters were not well documented.
ruclips.net/video/MYmVV_CH2eI/видео.html Video of the transfer of the body of the Pope to Saint Peter's Basilica.
@@ciatro Thank you very much for pointing out the mistakes. I wonder if Hollywood is ever able to make a film on the Catholic Church without making so many errors in such a short time.
We'll see another Papal funeral in a few days time but no Sede Vacante followed by a Conclave this time, #RIPPopeBenedictXVI
No Frank the Hippy Pope is alive and... I don't know, to say well seems like a stretch.
Cadê seu funeral papal?
❤ thanks for the brave question.some views are still need to be answered by silent and this will be your guide for some reason....
McGregor did such a great job with his role.
Yeah even though his character is supposed to be Italian, they changed it to Irish to suit him better
I swear it looks like the dead pope is being played by the actor Derek Jacobi but in an uncredited role/cameo.
This is John Paul II funeral
No, this is John Paul I funeral. The film took inspiration from various theories surrounding his death.
@@alexandreclairefontaine2329 John Paul I died in 1978, Cars, technology and everything in movie indicate that these could not be 70' or even 80'
Nothing that is said is real. The camerlengo must be a cardinal, he cannot be a priest; the nine days mentioned are not those of the "vacant see" but those of the pope's funeral; there are no "preferiti", there is no procession with the pope around the obelisk in Saint Peter's Square. Everything is a mess.
@@ciatrohere was a procession with the body of John Paul II across St. Peter square, when transfereed m to St. Peter, for the public goodbye.
@@fibeltek1328 No, in reality this first procession to transfer the body of the Pope is carried out from the Pauline library and crosses Saint Peter's Square only on one side, it does not go around the obelisk, and heads of state do not attend, as is the case at the funeral, but only the faithful who are in the square at that moment. There are many videos of that transfer of John Paul II.
Could it be that carnal knowledge claims immortality and there is disappointment yet again?
for the plot of novel and movie the _camerlengo_ cannot attend conclave among the cardinals, but it is an awful idea still.
1:21 wow una processione allucinante 😨😨😨😨
E falsa.
Anche se e tutto uno spettacolo i produttori hanno fatto tutto eccellente.
Ma qualcuno mi saprebbe dire chi e il papa morto
Why did they remove the mitre when in a real pope's funeral they would not remove the mitre when the coffin is sealed.
This scene made me cry 😢
LOL
Who interpreting Pope Pius?
Olavo de Carvalho
@@MagronesBR2 no
When is he named as Pius?
If so though he would be Pius XIII
what’s the move called?
Angels and demons, it’s in the title
They would never, ever officially endorse any individual as a "preferite", that title does not exist. To do so would undermine the entire selection process. There has never been a system for declaring heirs apparent to the throne of saint Peter. The closest thing is the status of "papabile" which means that person is considered qualified for the job. However that is an unnoficial status bestowed by commentators and not jn any way recognized in any real capacity.
Nice
the chair not really been actually sitting till now....pretty much like true story...
Why destroy the ring? Was he sauron or something?
Xin chúa ban cho linh hồn đức giáo hoàng beneditto 16 lên thẳng cùng với chúa luôn chúa ơi amen amen amen nhưng xin đừng theo y con nhưng hãy theo y chúa đến muôn đời amen amen amen amen
😭 IRISH CASTOROIL RIDGEWAY😭
Xin chúa ban cho tât ca các linh hôn các đức hồng y khắp nơi trên thế giới lên thẳng cùng với chúa luôn chúa ơi amen amen amen nhưng xin đừng theo y con nhưng hãy theo y chúa đến muôn đời amen amen amen amen
That is truly Otto 1!
Bye bye everyone and hurry up with the bloody lid i`m getting cold.
1:54 kadzidło nie rozpala się czarnym prochem 😂
Even nwec ripped my art
Waw❤
สวัสดีคะราชบุญและราชวงค์แห่งอังกฤษดิฉันขอสัญญาต่อราชวงแห่งอังกฤษจะไม่ยอมให้บลิวบิลเลียมตายฟรีแน้แน้จะต้องเอาคนผิดมาลงโทษต่อหน้าพระศพของบลิวบิลเลียมรอบสั้นให้ใด้ไม่ว่าจะแลกกับชีวิตก็ตามนะคะฟีดต้องขอโทษด้วยนะคะที่ไม่ใด้ไปร่วมแสดงความเสียใจเพาะไม่มีเงินจริงจริงนะคะและก็ไม่มีข่าวว่าตายจริงจริงสักครั้งเหมือนว่าเครือข่ายจะให้ปิดข่าวหรือเปล่าก็ไม่รู้ถึงเฝ้าดูมาหลายปีแล้วก็ยังไม่รู้ความจริงจริงเสียสับสนอยู่แบบนี้มาหลายปีแล้วนะคะฟีด
Why am I hearing the music from Game of Thrones?
Benedict XVI
No.
Tchenks. O Mein God. O God. R. I. P. Amen.
437 million or the jewels
Who played the dead pope?
It was images from Pope Benedict's funeral
Papish nonsense , the worship of men, angles , the dead is idolitory at its worse
#saint #pedos
#popi
Imitation art
Yaldoboathe worshippers, all.
no one is worshiping a dead man, but paying homage of honor to the head of God's church, Christ's ambassador on earth, and if he is a saint, what's the problem in worshiping him? Christ gave the keys to Peter and he to his successors. In the bible there is a passage in which the PAPADO is INSTITUTED by God. God wants us to ask for the intercession of the saints.
average Gnosis fan 😂😂😂
Reading the books of the New Testament, we probably asked ourselves more than once: *"Why 2000 years we do not see those miracles that accompanied the Сhurch of Christ in the I century, as described in the New Testament?"* Why do the so-called preachers of Christ have to prove that Jesus really existed and atheists boldly deny the historicity or divine origin of Christ? Maybe because the Сhurch of Christ has not existed for 2000 years?
The Сhurch does not exist in the form in which it is presented in the books of the New Testament, but there are Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant and other christian sects claiming to be the place of the Church, but they not have the only thing that distinguishes the divine from the human and is characteristic of just the Сhurch of Christ -the reinforcement of the word with signs, that is, miracles (Mark 16:15-20). Therefore, some researchers doubt the historicity of Christ, and some of them are not opposed to declaring him a an ordinary philosopher, teacher. But even if Jesus were an ordinary philosopher, his disciples would be ordinary followers of Jesus. And they would not dare to write about the miracles that not only Jesus, but also his disciples, could perform. In this world, the great fertility of atheism can be explained by the fact that there is no main opponent of critics of the Bible - the Church. If there were the Church in our time as described by the authors of the New Testament books, where miracles are performed, the sick are healed, where prophesied, and the dead are raised, no one would doubt the historicity of Christ. Then there would be the same controversy throughout the world as in the first century - Jesus the Son of God or the false prophet who seduces the world by miracles. As a result, we can say that the emergence and development of christian sects and atheism was the result of the fact that over the 2000 years the Сhurch of Christ did not exist.
Find *"The Mystery about the Church of Christ"* video on RUclips. The video reveals the prophecy of the disappearance and reappearance of the Church of Christ before the End of the World. Watching this video will give hope to all who sincerely seek God and will interest those who are not too lazy to think freely. Click on my name to watch the video (The video is in Russian, but English subtitles are included).
Do not give cult to the Dead
The dead Satan looke cute
สวัสดีคะนี้และบลิวบิลเลียมแต่ก็ยังไม่แน้ใจนพคะเพาะบลิวบิลเลียมดำกว่านี้
Xin chúa ban cho tât ca các linh hôn các đức giáo hoàng lên thẳng cùng với chúa luôn chúa ơi amen amen amen nhưng xin đừng theo y con nhưng hãy theo y chúa đến muôn đời amen amen amen amen