Do you like long or short names? History of Japanese swords: ruclips.net/video/0T8m3AOV_IY/видео.html Corrections/clarifications: - Names of the original ancient clans were called ujina, but for later clans like Minamoto, we use honsei. These clans were created by the emperor bestowing them a name. - It is more specific to call the public name azana instead of tsūshō. Tsūshō means common name, in general. It can be used for anything, like mountains or temples. Azana is used specifically for people. Please consider supporting the channel =) 🔸PATREON (blog, art): www.patreon.com/Linfamy 🔸MEMBERSHIP: ruclips.net/user/Linfamyjoin 🔸MERCH: teespring.com/stores/linfamy (shirts, stickers, phone cases, and more!) 🔸DONATE: www.paypal.me/Linfamy
"Sure she's 'technically your family, but weed is 'technically illegal, doesn't mean I have to care." I have to remember to use some variation of that at some point, thanks.
Random Oda mook: Wassup, Nobunaga? Nobunaga: De aru ka? The random Oda mook got beheaded simply because he decided to call Nobunaga by his name instead of the traditional honorable way of calling someone
@@michaelbandada9887 I intially thought you meant 'random oda moNk' and I was gonna say *random monk insults Oda Nobunaga* *Oda Nobunaga spends fucking decades besieging swampy mountain top monastery out of spite*
Really linfamy, what's your name? Lin? I think my last name would be translated to Japanese as kurokuchi. I specifically like short names as in china. Simple and straightforward. Long names seem like embellishments no one needs, even though my name is long
There's a few terminological issues I have with this: 1. "ujina" should be called "sei"; we consider ujina to be the names from before Fujiwara, Minamoto, Taira, Tachibana etc. became a thing. 2. "tsûshô" should be "azana". Whereas tsûshô does mean "common name", its not an anthroponymical term: a temple can have a tsûshô, a restaurant can, a mountain can, anything can. But a human being's call name is called "azana." - Also, although we usually don't know the names of lower-class women, it is likely that (most) women retaining their childhood name for life is a mid- or late-medieval development, but not generally the case. This change is seen as an expression of the decline in social status of women over the course of the medieval period.
Fun fact: There still survive several legitimate branches of Fujiwara clan, but none of them use Fujiwara as family name. So if you met Fujiwara-san in Japan ( it's very common name), basically he/she has nothing to do with that famously married into clan ( could be very very far relatives).
Interesting that the same happens with the nobility of European origin, the Emperor of Brazil, for example, was called Pedro de Alcântara João Carlos Leopoldo Salvador Bibiano Francisco Xavier de Paula Leocádio Miguel Gabriel Rafael Gonzaga de Bragança e Bourbon
Why does every Brazilian I know have a family name derived from a different tree? And also, why such monstrosities like: Cynthia Maria Franco Caneiro Lima?
@@edi9892 just go to the english wikipedia page of Pedro II or other brazilian imperial figures and you will find their full names, and you can read about them :)
@@edi9892 thats not a monstruosity, in this case you can read to first names (Cynthia Maria) which are individual and 3 family names. The most common thing is to have both mother and father family names, so a minimum of 2, but sometimes one of the parents (or both) pass on more than one name for recognizability. For example: imagine Carneiro Lima is a highly recognizable family name, where just having one or the other wouldn't make it evident that the individual is related to their father or other people of the family EDIT: Plus, people can add their spouse's name to theirs. I forgot that option in the original comment maybe because I feel it's becoming less common (my experience with people I know from my generation getting married)
So _that's_ why the "no" doesn't show up in later names! I always thought it was just linguistic drift at work, but it's because with the splintering of power the rise in significance of the family(ie) versus the clan means that we talk about people like Takeda Shingen and Oda Nobunaga in terms of their household.
I love your sense of humor. BTW: the polish - ski is typically a sign of nobility, implying that pretty much everyone in Poland is related to a noble! In China, we can see the death of most family names over time (since their names are super old) resulting in an insane number of families with the same name. Both Icelandic and Russian people used the same strategy to tell people apart as they added son-of, or daughter of... In Germanic areas, it was usually a profession, or adjective (tall, brown...). However, e.g. Mayer (many spellings) was so common that it's also pointless as an identifier...
And imagine the length of the names when the Fujiwara famously married their daughters into the Imperial family, allowing them control over the Heian court for the next 200 years.
Japanese folklore also has curses based on one's true name (the inspiration for death note), so I assume the secrecy of the given name and all these shenanigans were in part motivated as a way to defend yourself from the curses.
I bet one of the legendary Samurai was named Jugemu Jugemu Go-Kō-no-Surikire Kaijari-suigyo no Suigyō-matsu Unrai-matsu Fūrai-matsu Kū-Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yaburakōji no Burakōji Paipo Paipo Paipo no Shūringan Shūringan no Gūrindai Gūrindai no Ponpokopii no Ponpokonaa no Chōkyūmei no Chōsuke.
that's funny, cause I know someone else named Jugemu Jugemu Go-Kō-no-Surikire Kaijari-suigyo no Suigyō-matsu Unrai-matsu Fūrai-matsu Kū-Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yaburakōji no Burakōji Paipo Paipo Paipo no Shūringan Shūringan no Gūrindai Gūrindai no Ponpokopii no Ponpokonaa no Chōkyūmei no Chōsuke.
@@GarryDKing oh shit XD Not the Fullmetal alchemist shenanigans And you know what's even worse??? Imagine the Monty Python Life of Brian Pontius Pilate scene where you have this instead of Biggus Dickus
I always wondered why Japanese don’t really call each other by their first names. It’s so interesting to see that such a long history is the reason behind it and that the emotional connection is still handed down.
It used to be the same in western counties. In England for example, 200 years ago a wife would not call her husband by his first name unless they were alone and vice versa. Pretty much the only person who called you your first name were your siblings and parents
I hardly believe so. He said in Edo period even commoners adopted the court title as their nick name. I think doraemon is in commoners category rather than in original noble blood
I was recently watching Hikaru no Go, and this makes the Heian ghost's, Fujiwara no Sai, name make more sense. Side note: they also did a good job making him a bit of a drama queen as was expected for Heian men.
Hello, I was wonder if you could do a video about a Yokai named 鎌鼬 Kamaitachi. I studied them and they are cool, thought it would be better if explained by you.
Me when watching a taiga drama: why does nobody call people by their ACTUAL name Me now: oh Like. In Sanada Maru Masayuki is only ever called "Awa no Kami" or "father" or "my lord". Mitsunari is called either by his court title, or "Ishida-sama" (maybe Ishida-dono if you are closer in rank) or Sakichi by people who had known him since childhood. Likewise, nobody ever calls Yukimura "Nobushige". He occasionally says it when he introduces himself.
Hi Lin! Can't let it go without a song, now can I? "Like a samurai kicking some foreign ass, I got a name, I got a name, Fujiwara says I'm too crass, I got a name, I got a name, And I carry it with me on a long pole flag, If I tie it down right, it won't sag, - Moving along with clanking, Squeaking and maybe wanking, Lowering my head as the Daimyo pass by . . ." Stuff writes itself . . . Hehehe.
Nice one! And people changed their names when they became the monks. And got different names when they wrote Haiku, novels, plays, and so on. (We also get the Kai-myo (戒名) when you pass away if one is a Buddhist.)
6:21 in Turkish we have names of order of birth.. they called their children Durmuş or Dursun if they wanted no other child (first one means ”it stopped“ second means ”it shall stop“) or Döndü which you said of you wanted your next child to become a guy if your newest child is a girl I guess
These name are still more short and easy to remember than spanish full names Also you did not mention it but the commonfolk did not have surnames and differntiate between themselves by nameing themselves after their village(Saito no insert-your-village-name-here) although i don't know if the city dwellers did anything similar
I have this mindcannon that when the imperial house came to get records of everything, the commoners basically looked around and pointed at the first thing they saw as their family name, resulting in Oomori (Big forest), Kojima (small island), Takahashi (tall bridge) etc
Some Samurai we still address with their common name. I might be in correct here, but Date Masamune's real name was Botenmaru. Though I think his naming situation was a bit different because his birth name was Botenmaru. (His mom named him too). It's been a while since I looked it up but I remember thinking it was weird that Botenmaru was not only his birthname but also his 'real' name and Masamune was his 'commoner/informal' name or whatever
now, I know why Main Character in Sengoku Komachi almost get killed when she said Oda Nobunaga's full name (also what the heck that name mean) thank you
Well, I suppose that tradition did come from China long ago. It was also spread in Korea and other Eastasian countries. A person, especially a noble one, like a poet or an official, actually had few names, including its first, or birth, name, smale, or child, name and many public names, even pet names. Notice, that if a person went to a monastery to become a monk (not forever, but for a while) it also was given a monk, or Dharma, name, if am not mistaken. For instance, the well-known Takeda Shignes, the glorious warlord of Sengoku period, at coming of age was named Nobuharu and during his life he was actully referred to by that name. Shingen is his monk name which means something good and true (a Buddhist value or simply a well-sounding epithet). Confucius himself also had few names. And about an emperor, that was much more confusing as his personal name was prohibited (at least, in China) and many emperors did change their birth names, so I suppose that he was to be called only by his numerous titles (Son of Heaven, Celestial Lord and etcetera) during his life
sadly Fujiwara Dicks were not very useful. you see, the Fujiwara clan married their daughters into the Imperial family and no one is mean enough to name a daughter Dick.
First because you didn't were born in japan. Second pilgrims life for you is boring because you didnt went deeper and were a dumb kid...maybe you still are
See I figured Mr. Curly-Fries/Curly-Fries-san at least sounds respectable. I’m not just a run of the mill curly fry but perhaps I’m seasoned curly fries then or something. lol Yarizaemon does sound better but if people are already ordering my samurai services off of the side-items menu at the drive thru I figured I might as well go for the goofier option. I had also tossed around the more generic “Polearmzaemon” but too clunky. lol
by the end of it i completely forgot which name was supposed to do what. however, i got the important part, that is, your full name is the bucket list you use to compose your businness card to give out to others, and the arrangement is important if you want to look cool. As i was watching i also got distracted a lot by the impression that your japanese enunciation got more natural if not altogether better, and how much it helped the narration, along with the new video effects and implied jokes which are cool. in other words, you sir are an excellent history professor 😛😛😛
Really the whole thing with "names have power and that's why first names need to be kept secret" seems to show up in a lot of old cultures: the Romans, several Native American nations...
In some places, a way to curse somebody is to write out their name on a slip of paper and burn it. I guess the idea goes along the lines of a person's name being not just a term of reference but also the essence of who they are.
4:55 wait... I heard Japanese internet users never set their real names as usernames... I never knew it was stemmed as far back as I expected... HEY, ANY JAPANESE AROUND HERE!!! IS IT TRUE Y'ALL BEEN LIKE THIS SINCE HEIAN/EDO PERIOD???
Does “tarou/太郎” means “first son”? Is it not a generic counter for “sons” or generally means “boy”? For example, Ichirou/一郎”, the given name, means first son as the “rou/郎” is taken from “tarou”, while “chounan/長男”, the title, means eldest son. Regarding, “kami/神” or “kami-sama/神様” God or “gods”, in modern Japanese usage at least. I guess historically, it was also bestowed upon individuals to denote a “king” or “queen”. It’s interesting how the Japanese language has evolved over time! I enjoyed the video - it’s given me a mini Japanese language lesson too.
A video on the general idea of the clans might be a good topic. I've done amateur research, and the majority of the samurai clans spawned from the Imperial Family in some way, whereas others had more fantastical origins. I looked into the story of the chosokabe clan, who claimed to have originated from Qin Shi Huang, and somehow ended up reading about how one of the clans might've actually been one of the lost tribes of israel... or something. But then you have the fujiwara clan, who famously married their daughters into the imperial family, allowing them control over the heian court, so it's all relative.
Huh, latin (and latin influenced) countries also has something similar. Example would be my country's hero *José Protasio Rizal Mercado y Alonso Realonda*
Hold on, is this why there were three Great Houses on Vvardenfel in Morrowind? I know that one of the devs was big into trying to pull elements of Japanese culture into the game?
Question, did clan leaders have a household name if they were from the main family line? Also how long were the names valid in Japan before people went 'okay boomer'?
That actually reminds me of the film shogun. Blackthorn strands with his crew onto Japan and when he asks a woman of her name, she just says 'onna' (woman). It might be that she was so 'low' she might not have had a name...or she had one and just didn't want to tell this foreign stranger.
神 kami (deity) 紙 kami (paper) 髪 kami (hair) 上 kami (upper) 長官 and also 守 kami (district governor in the ritsuryo system, which is the one used in this video: 三河守 = Mikawa no kami) And that's why we have to learn kanji.
Jugemu Jugemu Go-Kō-no-Surikire Kaijari-suigyo no Suigyō-matsu Unrai-matsu Fūrai-matsu Kū-Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yaburakōji no Burakōji Paipo Paipo Paipo no Shūringan Shūringan no Gūrindai Gūrindai no Ponpokopii no Ponpokonā no Chōkyūmei no Chōsuke.
Some names can be only called alias name or nickname just like in ancient china similar warring states. In history books only the importanced are discuss about the events in broad and the timeline in medieval era back in high school and colleges.
Geez and I thought having 3 names was a headache. Ok. Maybe I shouldn't do this but I sort of want to compare and/or contrast the Japanese clan and household system to others. I mean i know it sounds very boring but I'm curious.
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Do you like long or short names?
History of Japanese swords: ruclips.net/video/0T8m3AOV_IY/видео.html
Corrections/clarifications:
- Names of the original ancient clans were called ujina, but for later clans like Minamoto, we use honsei. These clans were created by the emperor bestowing them a name.
- It is more specific to call the public name azana instead of tsūshō. Tsūshō means common name, in general. It can be used for anything, like mountains or temples. Azana is used specifically for people.
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Broth at the same time
I like false names.
I recently learned that my family name Kakeya comes from a branch of the imperial family
@@ladykoiwolfe 😯
@@Linfamy given the number of crazy exes I have...an alias is a good thing to have.
The longer the name, the longer your opponent will have to talk when addressing you, giving you a higher chance of stabbing your opponent
Genius.
my full name: Henrik Vesa Juhani Mikael Ruokonummi
I AM INVINCIBLE!!! 😂
Ah the curse of sir Rikki Tikki Tembo
Big brain move right here
@@Linfamy
Ore wa Daisuke mNoritomo Nobunagamanaratsum-
*DIES*
"Sure she's 'technically your family, but weed is 'technically illegal, doesn't mean I have to care."
I have to remember to use some variation of that at some point, thanks.
I read your comment before he said it in the video ... oh boy did I take it out of context. :D
Oh god 😅🤦♂️
Ok. You should do drugs & you shouldn't do your cousin, but you do. Noted.
I just like to imagine some samurai pulling up to the shogun's office and just going: "Yo, what's up Jiro?" And then gets decapitated on the spot.
Definitely not a smart move 🤣
Dammit, Yasuke.
Random Oda mook: Wassup, Nobunaga?
Nobunaga: De aru ka?
The random Oda mook got beheaded simply because he decided to call Nobunaga by his name instead of the traditional honorable way of calling someone
@@michaelbandada9887 I intially thought you meant 'random oda moNk' and I was gonna say
*random monk insults Oda Nobunaga*
*Oda Nobunaga spends fucking decades besieging swampy mountain top monastery out of spite*
@@Cordman1221 why does it sound like actual history from Japan?🙄
"Like many people, I have a name"
I don't believe you
No really!
@@Linfamy I bet it's something dumb like Linfamy and something kickass like Kickass.
Really linfamy, what's your name? Lin? I think my last name would be translated to Japanese as kurokuchi. I specifically like short names as in china. Simple and straightforward. Long names seem like embellishments no one needs, even though my name is long
There's a few terminological issues I have with this: 1. "ujina" should be called "sei"; we consider ujina to be the names from before Fujiwara, Minamoto, Taira, Tachibana etc. became a thing. 2. "tsûshô" should be "azana". Whereas tsûshô does mean "common name", its not an anthroponymical term: a temple can have a tsûshô, a restaurant can, a mountain can, anything can. But a human being's call name is called "azana." - Also, although we usually don't know the names of lower-class women, it is likely that (most) women retaining their childhood name for life is a mid- or late-medieval development, but not generally the case. This change is seen as an expression of the decline in social status of women over the course of the medieval period.
Thanks for the corrections! Dangit I thought ujina and sei were the same things 🤦♂️
@@Linfamy Well, that's at least how I understand it '_'
The Fujiwara!?
The ones who famously married into the royal family?
The very same!
Imagine the Fujiwara meeting the Habsburgs.
I’m sure they would immediately marry into each other’s houses and then they’d dominate all Eurasian politics for a thousand years or more
@@arbington Just hope that the Hapsburgs don’t fall into one of the Classical Blunders of starting a land war in Asia
Allowing them to control over Heian court...
Hello! My name is Kickass, a scion of the most kick-ass family; The Kickass, a branch of the Greater Kickassery clan.
Fun fact: There still survive several legitimate branches of Fujiwara clan, but none of them use Fujiwara as family name. So if you met Fujiwara-san in Japan ( it's very common name), basically he/she has nothing to do with that famously married into clan ( could be very very far relatives).
Broo "the reality" part and that poster pops up ooohhh man can't stop laughing 😂😂😂😂😂u are amazing
Don't roll off the edge while laughing. 😂
Fantastic video man! This is such a confusing topic but you explain it so easily!
Thanks man!
Interesting that the same happens with the nobility of European origin, the Emperor of Brazil, for example, was called Pedro de Alcântara João Carlos Leopoldo Salvador Bibiano Francisco Xavier de Paula Leocádio Miguel Gabriel Rafael Gonzaga de Bragança e Bourbon
Why does every Brazilian I know have a family name derived from a different tree?
And also, why such monstrosities like: Cynthia Maria Franco Caneiro Lima?
@@edi9892 That's something I would also like to know
@@reinodaserrocia6706 I tried to google it in English, but to no avail.
@@edi9892 just go to the english wikipedia page of Pedro II or other brazilian imperial figures and you will find their full names, and you can read about them :)
@@edi9892 thats not a monstruosity, in this case you can read to first names (Cynthia Maria) which are individual and 3 family names. The most common thing is to have both mother and father family names, so a minimum of 2, but sometimes one of the parents (or both) pass on more than one name for recognizability. For example: imagine Carneiro Lima is a highly recognizable family name, where just having one or the other wouldn't make it evident that the individual is related to their father or other people of the family
EDIT: Plus, people can add their spouse's name to theirs. I forgot that option in the original comment maybe because I feel it's becoming less common (my experience with people I know from my generation getting married)
I want to know if we have any records of parents not being disappointed with their children.
Historians are still looking for a single case
It’s probably not likely 😔
So _that's_ why the "no" doesn't show up in later names! I always thought it was just linguistic drift at work, but it's because with the splintering of power the rise in significance of the family(ie) versus the clan means that we talk about people like Takeda Shingen and Oda Nobunaga in terms of their household.
I love your sense of humor.
BTW: the polish - ski is typically a sign of nobility, implying that pretty much everyone in Poland is related to a noble!
In China, we can see the death of most family names over time (since their names are super old) resulting in an insane number of families with the same name.
Both Icelandic and Russian people used the same strategy to tell people apart as they added son-of, or daughter of... In Germanic areas, it was usually a profession, or adjective (tall, brown...). However, e.g. Mayer (many spellings) was so common that it's also pointless as an identifier...
Ah I didn't know that about -ski! Etymology can get complicated but surprisingly interesting
And imagine the length of the names when the Fujiwara famously married their daughters into the Imperial family, allowing them control over the Heian court for the next 200 years.
Japanese folklore also has curses based on one's true name (the inspiration for death note), so I assume the secrecy of the given name and all these shenanigans were in part motivated as a way to defend yourself from the curses.
I bet one of the legendary Samurai was named Jugemu Jugemu Go-Kō-no-Surikire Kaijari-suigyo no Suigyō-matsu Unrai-matsu Fūrai-matsu Kū-Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yaburakōji no Burakōji Paipo Paipo Paipo no Shūringan Shūringan no Gūrindai Gūrindai no Ponpokopii no Ponpokonaa no Chōkyūmei no Chōsuke.
that's funny, cause I know someone else named Jugemu Jugemu Go-Kō-no-Surikire Kaijari-suigyo no Suigyō-matsu Unrai-matsu Fūrai-matsu Kū-Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yaburakōji no Burakōji Paipo Paipo Paipo no Shūringan Shūringan no Gūrindai Gūrindai no Ponpokopii no Ponpokonaa no Chōkyūmei no Chōsuke.
@@GarryDKing oh shit XD Not the Fullmetal alchemist shenanigans
And you know what's even worse??? Imagine the Monty Python Life of Brian Pontius Pilate scene where you have this instead of Biggus Dickus
@@GarryDKing Hell, it's even a song with that name as lyrics and I can't stop thinking about them every time I read the name🤣🤣🤣🤣
For writing it all you have my respect 😂
I was thinking of that name
I always wondered why Japanese don’t really call each other by their first names. It’s so interesting to see that such a long history is the reason behind it and that the emotional connection is still handed down.
It used to be the same in western counties. In England for example, 200 years ago a wife would not call her husband by his first name unless they were alone and vice versa. Pretty much the only person who called you your first name were your siblings and parents
Ahhhhh Uji vs Ie history!! I’m super pumped, I love samurai names, thank you so much for this video! ❤️
Glad you like it :D
When they said: "I will remember your name".
That is a big lie.
7:26 So does this mean that Doraemon and Sasuke are nobility?
yes
I hardly believe so. He said in Edo period even commoners adopted the court title as their nick name. I think doraemon is in commoners category rather than in original noble blood
@@랙쇼랙쇼 It was a joke
@@랙쇼랙쇼 woosh?
Yes
I just discovered this channel and I love the humor so much!
I was recently watching Hikaru no Go, and this makes the Heian ghost's, Fujiwara no Sai, name make more sense. Side note: they also did a good job making him a bit of a drama queen as was expected for Heian men.
His comparisons and humor is great
This is amazing! The moving graphics are soo good!!!!!
What would your samurai nickname be?
That would be Kyousha.
Toyotomi
Jizu no Kami
Edgelord
Fujiwara dick
Hello, I was wonder if you could do a video about a Yokai named 鎌鼬 Kamaitachi. I studied them and they are cool, thought it would be better if explained by you.
Me when watching a taiga drama: why does nobody call people by their ACTUAL name
Me now: oh
Like. In Sanada Maru Masayuki is only ever called "Awa no Kami" or "father" or "my lord". Mitsunari is called either by his court title, or "Ishida-sama" (maybe Ishida-dono if you are closer in rank) or Sakichi by people who had known him since childhood. Likewise, nobody ever calls Yukimura "Nobushige". He occasionally says it when he introduces himself.
I thought they get longer names after unlocking some achievements in battle.
I'll implement that custom when I start a clan.
Huh, always wondered why they had really long names
This video was so good! Can you make another video about Japanese naming systems too? Like names of commoners and imperial family members.
This reminds me of that one anime meme where two men introduced themselves and they both had the same long name.
Fullmetal?
@@ryoumakoushiro7447 exactly ruclips.net/video/nGM375qYhN0/видео.html
Hi Lin! Can't let it go without a song, now can I?
"Like a samurai kicking some foreign ass,
I got a name, I got a name,
Fujiwara says I'm too crass,
I got a name, I got a name,
And I carry it with me on a long pole flag,
If I tie it down right, it won't sag,
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Moving along with clanking,
Squeaking and maybe wanking,
Lowering my head as the Daimyo pass by . . ." Stuff writes itself . . . Hehehe.
And here's a wild bit of samurai/mecha action: ruclips.net/video/P9n-Sm2KS7I/видео.html&ab_channel=RumbleViral
Isekai wants to know their location.
Not bad not bad :D
This was awesome!!
Thank you! Names can get confusing 🤪
Nice one! And people changed their names when they became the monks. And got different names when they wrote Haiku, novels, plays, and so on. (We also get the Kai-myo (戒名) when you pass away if one is a Buddhist.)
6:21 in Turkish we have names of order of birth.. they called their children Durmuş or Dursun if they wanted no other child (first one means ”it stopped“ second means ”it shall stop“) or Döndü which you said of you wanted your next child to become a guy if your newest child is a girl I guess
Thanks for reminding me to talk to my cousin, he still owes me some money.
"-and reality." Ahhhh, so satisfying.
These name are still more short and easy to remember than spanish full names
Also you did not mention it but the commonfolk did not have surnames and differntiate between themselves by nameing themselves after their village(Saito no insert-your-village-name-here) although i don't know if the city dwellers did anything similar
I have this mindcannon that when the imperial house came to get records of everything, the commoners basically looked around and pointed at the first thing they saw as their family name, resulting in Oomori (Big forest), Kojima (small island), Takahashi (tall bridge) etc
@@mehmeh3894 That actually sounds plausible
Probably happened all around the planet... we do have such names as well, don't we?
01:55 I beg to differ 👁👄👁
Some Samurai we still address with their common name. I might be in correct here, but Date Masamune's real name was Botenmaru. Though I think his naming situation was a bit different because his birth name was Botenmaru. (His mom named him too). It's been a while since I looked it up but I remember thinking it was weird that Botenmaru was not only his birthname but also his 'real' name and Masamune was his 'commoner/informal' name or whatever
The reason why there was so much hype around names is because names had magic powers.
Excellent! Many thanks!
now, I know why Main Character in Sengoku Komachi almost get killed when she said Oda Nobunaga's full name (also what the heck that name mean) thank you
Really loved this video
Well, I suppose that tradition did come from China long ago. It was also spread in Korea and other Eastasian countries. A person, especially a noble one, like a poet or an official, actually had few names, including its first, or birth, name, smale, or child, name and many public names, even pet names. Notice, that if a person went to a monastery to become a monk (not forever, but for a while) it also was given a monk, or Dharma, name, if am not mistaken. For instance, the well-known Takeda Shignes, the glorious warlord of Sengoku period, at coming of age was named Nobuharu and during his life he was actully referred to by that name. Shingen is his monk name which means something good and true (a Buddhist value or simply a well-sounding epithet). Confucius himself also had few names. And about an emperor, that was much more confusing as his personal name was prohibited (at least, in China) and many emperors did change their birth names, so I suppose that he was to be called only by his numerous titles (Son of Heaven, Celestial Lord and etcetera) during his life
Very interesting topic :D
My dad's first dog was named tarō and if that isn't the cutest thing ever I don't know what is
sadly Fujiwara Dicks were not very useful.
you see, the Fujiwara clan married their daughters into the Imperial family and no one is mean enough to name a daughter Dick.
"Ieyasu" sounds exactly like how we say "Your grand mother" in Greek. Needless to say, this video was very entertaining 😂😂
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We're glad that we're starting to know enough Japanese to know ie is house xD
I'm confused.... 😞
Linfamy : good.... It gets worse
Me:🤣🤣🤣🤣
Awesome Job as always 😎😁
I had all was wanted to know that🙃
Yes
0:43 well you already visit me in my fantasies so why not
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This answers so many anime questions I was wondering about
Glad you found it useful :)
I wish we learned this in school instead of the pilgrims and their very boring life. I am talking about ancient Japanese history.
First because you didn't were born in japan. Second pilgrims life for you is boring because you didnt went deeper and were a dumb kid...maybe you still are
The Minamoto and Tiara weren’t there at the beginning as you stated in this series
Taira*
@@mcmh9523 tiring
And what happened when someone accidentally forgot (one of) their names?
1:55 I'm still wheezing
Curly-Fries Spearzaemon, reporting in.
Ah, hello Curly-Fries-san.
It would’ve been a less embarrassing middle school nickname if they added an honorific to it like that lol
Spear is "Yari" in Japanese, if that helps. Yarizaemon sounds a bit better. Obviously Curly Fries is non-negotiable.
@@arbington or in English, Mr. Curly Fries, which is 2x worse 😅
See I figured Mr. Curly-Fries/Curly-Fries-san at least sounds respectable. I’m not just a run of the mill curly fry but perhaps I’m seasoned curly fries then or something. lol
Yarizaemon does sound better but if people are already ordering my samurai services off of the side-items menu at the drive thru I figured I might as well go for the goofier option. I had also tossed around the more generic “Polearmzaemon” but too clunky. lol
5:23 that‘s why on hello talk they don‘t want to tell their name
Using their first name sounds like when your mom calls you by your full name.
Tokugawa / Minamoto final assumption of power after all the Oda / Taira effort kind of feels like the ending of the Gempei war all over again.
by the end of it i completely forgot which name was supposed to do what. however, i got the important part, that is, your full name is the bucket list you use to compose your businness card to give out to others, and the arrangement is important if you want to look cool.
As i was watching i also got distracted a lot by the impression that your japanese enunciation got more natural if not altogether better, and how much it helped the narration, along with the new video effects and implied jokes which are cool. in other words, you sir are an excellent history professor 😛😛😛
Really the whole thing with "names have power and that's why first names need to be kept secret" seems to show up in a lot of old cultures: the Romans, several Native American nations...
In some places, a way to curse somebody is to write out their name on a slip of paper and burn it.
I guess the idea goes along the lines of a person's name being not just a term of reference but also the essence of who they are.
4:55 wait... I heard Japanese internet users never set their real names as usernames... I never knew it was stemmed as far back as I expected...
HEY, ANY JAPANESE AROUND HERE!!! IS IT TRUE Y'ALL BEEN LIKE THIS SINCE HEIAN/EDO PERIOD???
Does “tarou/太郎” means “first son”? Is it not a generic counter for “sons” or generally means “boy”? For example, Ichirou/一郎”, the given name, means first son as the “rou/郎” is taken from “tarou”, while “chounan/長男”, the title, means eldest son.
Regarding, “kami/神” or “kami-sama/神様” God or “gods”, in modern Japanese usage at least. I guess historically, it was also bestowed upon individuals to denote a “king” or “queen”. It’s interesting how the Japanese language has evolved over time!
I enjoyed the video - it’s given me a mini Japanese language lesson too.
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Except for a sausage party, samurai style.
Romans: We have the most convoluted naming conventions ever
Japanese: Hold my sake
Hehehe are we nearing the 3 unifiers? I'm so excited
Nobunaga is the type who has a constant metal soundtrack going on XD
1:45 *dies laughing from "Fujiwara ochinchin" XD*
Person A: "Are you Minamoto no Takauji?"
Ashikaga Takauji: "Ie"
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Promise?
No
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6:32 what about choukan?
Ancient noble names were long af, not only Japan or other Asians. I think the entire world back then have long ass names.
😆😆😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🙃🤪🥸 once again you are just hilarious!
Tonori no Totoro is sadly not a Samuai name. And now I have the song stuck in my head.
A video on the general idea of the clans might be a good topic. I've done amateur research, and the majority of the samurai clans spawned from the Imperial Family in some way, whereas others had more fantastical origins. I looked into the story of the chosokabe clan, who claimed to have originated from Qin Shi Huang, and somehow ended up reading about how one of the clans might've actually been one of the lost tribes of israel... or something.
But then you have the fujiwara clan, who famously married their daughters into the imperial family, allowing them control over the heian court, so it's all relative.
5:23 how do the teachers call them
Huh, latin (and latin influenced) countries also has something similar. Example would be my country's hero *José Protasio Rizal Mercado y Alonso Realonda*
7:43
*Me, who listens to CDs* : YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!! D:
Are there streets named after Tokugawa Ieyasu? Something like Dainagon Alley?
Hold on, is this why there were three Great Houses on Vvardenfel in Morrowind? I know that one of the devs was big into trying to pull elements of Japanese culture into the game?
What about the other classes names? Monks?
Samurai 1: hello my name is Jugemu Jugemu Gokō-no surikire Kaijarisuigyo-no Suigyōmatsu Unraimatsu Fūraimatsu Kuunerutokoro-ni Sumutokoro Yaburakōji-no burakōji Paipopaipo Paipo-no-shūringan Shūrin
Samurai 2: SEPUKU
Question, did clan leaders have a household name if they were from the main family line? Also how long were the names valid in Japan before people went 'okay boomer'?
Matsudaira?
Takechiyo?
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I feel like this was the abridged version of this video...
Also Motoyasu for a while.
Tanuki (derogatory)
@@akechijubeimitsuhide Ah, well met, Akechi-dono! Sasuga da!
Oh, I didn't mean to go into the history of his name, just wanted to explain the different parts of a name. Maybe that can be another video.
@@Linfamy No worries. 🤗
That actually reminds me of the film shogun. Blackthorn strands with his crew onto Japan and when he asks a woman of her name, she just says 'onna' (woman). It might be that she was so 'low' she might not have had a name...or she had one and just didn't want to tell this foreign stranger.
If I am a Samurai, I would quit so I don't have to memorize such a long name.
Your family will be ashamed :p
@@Linfamy, they are already because I didn't got an A on math.
Oof, that's shameful for sure
@@Linfamy ಥ‿ಥ
When you've been dating for two years and she says your fist name pre-maritaly
Zen music stops.
Wait what??? Fist name pre maritaly???
Kabane designates the status of an entire uji, and that was useful when the entire uji served a fixed role in government.
Interesting!
Totally by coincidence, "imina" sounds like (given) "names" in Russian, a form of "imya."
0:01 the most shocking fact I’ve ever heard
Is the word kaim in mikawa no kami the same as kami as in god? It sounds like he is calling himself the god of Mikawa.
Nah, it's a different word =)
神 kami (deity)
紙 kami (paper)
髪 kami (hair)
上 kami (upper)
長官 and also 守 kami (district governor in the ritsuryo system, which is the one used in this video: 三河守 = Mikawa no kami)
And that's why we have to learn kanji.
@@kokuinomusume Thanks
Jugemu Jugemu Go-Kō-no-Surikire Kaijari-suigyo no Suigyō-matsu Unrai-matsu Fūrai-matsu Kū-Neru Tokoro ni Sumu Tokoro Yaburakōji no Burakōji Paipo Paipo Paipo no Shūringan Shūringan no Gūrindai Gūrindai no Ponpokopii no Ponpokonā no Chōkyūmei no Chōsuke.
Some names can be only called alias name or nickname just like in ancient china similar warring states. In history books only the importanced are discuss about the events in broad and the timeline in medieval era back in high school and colleges.
6:55 Well he is really was such a smug guy, calling himself god.
Geez and I thought having 3 names was a headache. Ok. Maybe I shouldn't do this but I sort of want to compare and/or contrast the Japanese clan and household system to others.
I mean i know it sounds very boring but I'm curious.
0:00 What's ur full name??