I don't know any other class represantative that is up-to-date like our dear Whispyr... I level up a DH, asked in their Discord about a guide and they told "We dont do those" :D I'm so glad to be a century long Rogue main :D ty Whisp for all the info!
They let ER die off because Master Assassin is a god Tier talent, your energy regen is going to be huge in raid, you damage and burst is going to be to be huge.
first time playing rogue ever in tww, and one of the most flavorful and cool mechs for me was the ER minigame. It tested knowing how many CP will my next ability give for maximum damage/reapplying deathstalker/etc. sad to see it gone, it was fun to play around
glad to see at least 1 rogue talking about stuff. i wish outlaw and sub were worth talking about those 2 specs of our class doesnt really seem to have anyone out here on youtube dropping and giving their outlook on the specs moving forward. just a lot of disappointed outlaws and subs wondering what they did to deserve losing shadowstep and invigorating shadowdust. after being solid parts of the kits for so long.
Sub didn’t lose shadowstep for what it’s worth but It really feels like 10.2 was a course correction and they need to follow through. Idk what or when but I think we’re moving to a brighter future and this is a small step. Can only hope that they’re cooking
@@whispyr5793 I am not optimistic like you, because i dont know if same dev still in blizz but i can not forgive how they ruined outlaw playstyle at Dragonflight launch, we said please dont touch gameplay, just make number nerfs, they just could not resist, they totally ruined gameplay, it was perfect amazing fun piano gameplay.
I'm so happy the ER mini-game is gone! Also you know it's a Whispyr video when he says "ok, did i miss anything?" and you still have 26 minutes left. Love the video like usual dude!
With a rogue rework so recent as the end of Dragonflight, I'm kinda surprised that I'm sitting here thinking "looks like we could use a rework" but the changes to twist the knife, and my personal 'meh' response to the hero talents makes me feel like they have some good ideas, but need another iteration or two on them for the spec to really come together as something I want to main again.
With subterfuge, could you pull off a slingshot like effect with applying bleeds then before subterfuge wears off reapply a few improved bleeds to get double duration then vanish and repeat to keep an improved garrote and rupture on almost an entire fight...wouldnt that technically be a dps increase using subterfuge in way to double improved garrote uptime?
Really liking the changes to the playstyle a bit i think i'll swap out wire for 1 talent of scent of blood or Serrated spikes as well. Will need to see which one sims better. As usual top level work my brotha thanks as always.
@@whispyr5793 Only for leveling right now. I won't be fighting anything that will do that much damage to me for a bit lol. Once i get back into dungeons and raids i'll add it back. Not gonna make healers work harder than they have to XD
Hey, thanks for the great videos as always. I was wondering if you had any input on the new trinkets from the Blackrock Depths raid. If any are actually decent at all. I know I can sim them, but figured asking the master might also be useful. Thanks for all of the work you put in, man!
idk if I would call it anticipation, they function very differently, I wouldn't macro it with deathmark that doesn't make much sense, just macro with shiv
Hi, friend. I don’t know where I can get an answer from you, so I’m writing here. Can you tell me where in your Plater profile I can disable the spell CD to the left of the mob's HP bar? Thanks
Bottom out my energy? Yep I can do that. I’m a pro at that! Thanks for the video, nice work How are these new builds/changes looking compared to now, are they a net increase?
in the sims you're using a viscera lathered coat with haste mast, so chest is the one piece we can swap out for the set piece? i'm offered mythic freshly embalmed jerkin with crit mast and mythic tier shoulders for this vault and i was wondering if i should take the chest over the shoulder. currently all my gear is hero/champ at 619
Thx Whíspyr :) as usual very good video well explained. I just have one question why would the numbers of a sim and the ones from details be different ? aren't all the dmg done while within combat ?
Yeah that’s what I was doing. It just feels SO BAD. Whoever designed this hero talent didn’t spend enough time on it. My alts HTs feel soooooo much better than rogues. They need a lot of QOL.
will this mean that we lose 2-3 press talents right? i really dont like playing assa right now becouse of slice and dice, thistle tea and reasounding clarity, it feels like a really wierd rotation. Would love an answer on this whyspyr:)
I wish blizz gave up on sanguine blades consuming energy and changed it somehow. It just never ends up working right and even if it does it kinda sucks. Since, in your words, bleeds suck (😢), we could use a talent that helps out in that regard. I still miss the old exsang (blasphemous i know)
Just 1 question. If our envenom is up and let's say, 4 seconds remaining, we are at around half energy, do we cast another one immediately or wait 1 sec?
im dooming. its joever. nerfed to the ground (my will to live). having to play around tea, using fan of knives in st.... echoing reprimand i will miss you xoxo. -0 parser rogue main
I don't know any other class represantative that is up-to-date like our dear Whispyr...
I level up a DH, asked in their Discord about a guide and they told "We dont do those" :D
I'm so glad to be a century long Rogue main :D ty Whisp for all the info!
@kalamazi for warlock is the only one that is even close. Being a lock/rogue main is great :D
settling in for a good yap, thanks for your work Whispyr!! rogues are lucky to have you
more energy? faster gameplay? no snd?
this patch is looking better than I expected
kinda sad about ER tho, it grew on me since SL
They let ER die off because Master Assassin is a god Tier talent, your energy regen is going to be huge in raid, you damage and burst is going to be to be huge.
@@phatec i dont see how these 2 things are related to each other lol
as a person who often unintentionally dropping the mark on silken court.... welcome fatebound!
Giving us 3 rogue mains hope 😂
Thanks for all the work you do to help us stay aware and up to date.
Ty for another video young man. Appreciate the clarification on super charger and using it on 5 vs. 7 combo points too!
first time playing rogue ever in tww, and one of the most flavorful and cool mechs for me was the ER minigame. It tested knowing how many CP will my next ability give for maximum damage/reapplying deathstalker/etc. sad to see it gone, it was fun to play around
Thank you for taking the time to make these guides.
My pleasure!
glad to see at least 1 rogue talking about stuff. i wish outlaw and sub were worth talking about those 2 specs of our class doesnt really seem to have anyone out here on youtube dropping and giving their outlook on the specs moving forward. just a lot of disappointed outlaws and subs wondering what they did to deserve losing shadowstep and invigorating shadowdust. after being solid parts of the kits for so long.
in m+ a sub rogue was doing 4m dps on cds and 400k dps without cds lol i think that is why no one is talking about sub anymore
Sub didn’t lose shadowstep for what it’s worth but It really feels like 10.2 was a course correction and they need to follow through. Idk what or when but I think we’re moving to a brighter future and this is a small step. Can only hope that they’re cooking
I wish survival hunters had a whispyr😢
We need jpc to come back and do outlaw guides lol
@@whispyr5793 I am not optimistic like you, because i dont know if same dev still in blizz but i can not forgive how they ruined outlaw playstyle at Dragonflight launch, we said please dont touch gameplay, just make number nerfs, they just could not resist, they totally ruined gameplay, it was perfect amazing fun piano gameplay.
Crazy how TTK changed things up. I'm simming a 5k aoe loss, but a 60k st gain. Wowzah. And thanks for the info, Whispyr!! Super helpful as always.
Appreciate this you got me to 2500 + rating!!! My first ever season pushing keys
Fatebound burst gonna be even better ! Love it
THE MAN, thank you very much for the always inforamtive video!
Whíspyr the GOAT, thank you man :)
I kinda liked the ER minigame RIP
Sad day for the resource gameplay enjoyers, but it is what it is
@@whispyr5793 there are dozens of you, DOZENS!
Kinda pointless, when you can't really control the amount of combo points generated.
I'm so happy the ER mini-game is gone!
Also you know it's a Whispyr video when he says "ok, did i miss anything?" and you still have 26 minutes left.
Love the video like usual dude!
With a rogue rework so recent as the end of Dragonflight, I'm kinda surprised that I'm sitting here thinking "looks like we could use a rework" but the changes to twist the knife, and my personal 'meh' response to the hero talents makes me feel like they have some good ideas, but need another iteration or two on them for the spec to really come together as something I want to main again.
To be fair, 10.0.5 was very similar to this 11.0.5 set of changes. Can only hope that it’s a stepping stone
Love me some whispyr yapping on a sunday night
With subterfuge, could you pull off a slingshot like effect with applying bleeds then before subterfuge wears off reapply a few improved bleeds to get double duration then vanish and repeat to keep an improved garrote and rupture on almost an entire fight...wouldnt that technically be a dps increase using subterfuge in way to double improved garrote uptime?
Really liking the changes to the playstyle a bit i think i'll swap out wire for 1 talent of scent of blood or Serrated spikes as well. Will need to see which one sims better. As usual top level work my brotha thanks as always.
Highly suggest not dropping wire, it’s the biggest utility talent in the game and incredibly powerful
@@whispyr5793 Only for leveling right now. I won't be fighting anything that will do that much damage to me for a bit lol. Once i get back into dungeons and raids i'll add it back. Not gonna make healers work harder than they have to XD
Hey, thanks for the great videos as always. I was wondering if you had any input on the new trinkets from the Blackrock Depths raid. If any are actually decent at all. I know I can sim them, but figured asking the master might also be useful. Thanks for all of the work you put in, man!
everything from that place sucks
@@whispyr5793 I figured as much, thanks for the answer my man, keep up the good work!
ok but main question, will my tank let me restealth now?
joking, thx for all the work as always
I welcome bringing Fatebound into viability due to it's simplicity- but it's hard to dismiss the defensive nature of deathstalker.
Singular focus alone I think is going to be better in 99% of situations
@@whispyr5793 not the biggest fan of how RnG reliant fatebound is tbh. Plus those sweet juicy darkest night empowered envenoms make me sing
Great video. Thank you for your dedication. The names of the sims were worth a chuckle. Real talk I hope you’re doing ok ❤
I’m doing okay, the patch just came up MUCH quicker than id have liked, so everything is a bit rushed atm
So supercharger is just a gutted version of anticipation from WoD. Can we macro tea in with Deathmark?
idk if I would call it anticipation, they function very differently, I wouldn't macro it with deathmark that doesn't make much sense, just macro with shiv
Hi, friend. I don’t know where I can get an answer from you, so I’m writing here. Can you tell me where in your Plater profile I can disable the spell CD to the left of the mob's HP bar? Thanks
my plater does not track spell CDs
@@whispyr5793 ruclips.net/video/A3y5yP62cX8/видео.html 2:16 at the left side Hp Bar or im wrong?
@@whispyr5793 I saw it on your RUclips broadcast or im wrong... Maybe i can share screen u on Discord?
Thanks for the rapid update Whispyr! If I may ask, how should the opener look like now that we do not SnD?
the same but no echoing and no snd
Bottom out my energy? Yep I can do that. I’m a pro at that!
Thanks for the video, nice work
How are these new builds/changes looking compared to now, are they a net increase?
Yeah buffs all around with m+ cooking
@@whispyr5793 ho-lyy
Should I slam Shiv on CD? Unless kingsbane? If I am not playing double shiv - new to
Rogue and don’t understand the shiv even after this sorry
Did we switch to subterfuge??
in the sims you're using a viscera lathered coat with haste mast, so chest is the one piece we can swap out for the set piece? i'm offered mythic freshly embalmed jerkin with crit mast and mythic tier shoulders for this vault and i was wondering if i should take the chest over the shoulder. currently all my gear is hero/champ at 619
I don't think it matters much
i ended up taking chest cause the ugprades give more agi
Is there a reason so many top rogues are using empowered trinket from db vs ak/brood/other stuff even though it sims lower?
sims higher for them I guess, empowering crystal is good
I didnt get the mist simulation part, the top build is the hybrid with ttk ? How can you fit the point? Dropping kb ??
Drops arterial, but there’s m+ improvements in the works
What would be really nice is have timestamps on where u talk about what :D
Thx Whíspyr :) as usual very good video well explained. I just have one question why would the numbers of a sim and the ones from details be different ? aren't all the dmg done while within combat ?
Dungeonslice and dungeonroute sims have forced downtime between packs which lowers the overall damage. Details only factors time spent during combat
@@whispyr5793 ho ok i didn't know that thx :)
When you have darkest night proc and you hit 6 CB (feels horrible) do you normally just garrote for one or waste the CB and mut?
Before patch mut or garrote only if in pandemic window after with supercharger you finish at 5-7 whichever one tickles you the most
Yeah that’s what I was doing. It just feels SO BAD. Whoever designed this hero talent didn’t spend enough time on it. My alts HTs feel soooooo much better than rogues. They need a lot of QOL.
@@fightcub655 rogue is usually on the back burner for these sort of things
It is what it is, at least the envenom is fat
not sure if you covered that but if i am at 5/6 combo points and have darkest night up what do i do? i have to mutilate still to get 7 points no?
yes
i will miss ER ;)
Did i understand it right, that supercharger only works on CP 5 to get a CP 7 hit?
Or can i have a supercharger at CP 3 to hit CP 5?
It’s +2 regardless of cp, so 1 would turn to 3, 7 would turn to 9
@@whispyr5793 so 6 would be 8, but on training dummy it doesnt consume my darkest night... sadge
Dashing scoundrel energy regen will always be doubled with ttk stacks? Could you please elaborate on the lethality kingsbane double dip you refer to
Idk how to elaborate on it, kingsbane is affected twice by lethality, take the lethality bonus, apply it to kingsbane, then do it again
envenom increases application chance. ttk doubles evenom application chance. so ttk doubles energy regen
Can you explain 'pooling'(ST) in 11.0.5 a little easier? I'm a non-English speaker. thank you.
in raid, just spam. in m+, maintain envenom
Hi!
Kindly advice when the guides in text format will be updated?
Today sometime idk
Does Supercharger also go towards Deathstalker's Mark stacks?
Yes
will this mean that we lose 2-3 press talents right? i really dont like playing assa right now becouse of slice and dice, thistle tea and reasounding clarity, it feels like a really wierd rotation. Would love an answer on this whyspyr:)
i meant echoing reprimand
Yes
You can macro tea, slice and dice and echoing are going away
big work, thanks
How does the hero talent lingering darkness proc?
I never see any uptime on the buff...
when your deathmark expires it gives you a buff
@@whispyr5793 so like when it falls off? or when you use all the marks? i cant get it to show up anywhere...
@@whispyr5793 i get it now i thought it was bound to deathstakers mark not deathmark
im a dummy
New player here, so forgive my ignorance, can someone please tell me what “Pryo” damage is?
I’ve never heard that term before, what’s the context?
is this up to date - or got something changes .7?
up to date
I wish blizz gave up on sanguine blades consuming energy and changed it somehow. It just never ends up working right and even if it does it kinda sucks. Since, in your words, bleeds suck (😢), we could use a talent that helps out in that regard. I still miss the old exsang (blasphemous i know)
Master assassin is the new meta, no one will get supercharge.
you can have both
so i want to slam envenom but want to make sure not to go what was it 50 or 30 energy to not lose my tea stack fromthe auto use?
Technically yes, but if you drink a charge or two it’s super fine
Thanks Whispyr. Are we pooling or?
Just 1 question. If our envenom is up and let's say, 4 seconds remaining, we are at around half energy, do we cast another one immediately or wait 1 sec?
You will want to maintain uptime on at least 1 stack of envenom like before
What does “pandemic” a buff mean
maxroll.gg/wow/resources/pandemic
can you explain the fan of knives in ST without viscious venoms?
You want to consume clear the witnesses from deathstalker
Good stuff, thx
thanks pal!
Does this mean we want more haste?:o
Less I would think, but just sim
will you sign my mousepad? big fan
I only sign boobs
I think sin is the most boring rogue spec and i hate when its meta but i still watch every video
Dedication right there
Whispyr blink thrice if you're locked in Blizzard basement
*blinking furiously*
all i really care about is feint gcd lol
Huge change
The class Is RuInEd I tell ya. I cannot invest that One more brain Cell in order to manage the Energy pooling.
xd
Don't know why but supercharger feels (for me) ultra trashy just dropped it entirely.
thats fine I guess
nice
W
im dooming.
its joever.
nerfed to the ground (my will to live).
having to play around tea, using fan of knives in st....
echoing reprimand i will miss you xoxo.
-0 parser rogue main
you can macro tea to shiv
I dont watch pink hair content.
Good thing it's mostly red.
thanks for the engagement from commenting, big help for the algorithm
@@whispyr5793 waw, one comment might help so much you're right.
Another prove that you are delusional.
Probably putting pronoun in your bio. maggot.