@@AvatarJian exactly, in fact not having sauron revealed in season 1 would of been great. And instead have him come in as a sort of "leader" of one of the villages would of been nice. And have Galadriel leave the southlands thinking she did well.
from the start he let his companions on the raft just get to get eaten with no remorse nor concern, I knew he was evil and was only trying to get close to Galadriel.. I had a little hint when his 3 Silver servants mistaken Gandalf as Sauron..
Did anyone catch Halbrand's line in ep. 8 "call it a gift" when imparting Celebrimbor with knowledge about crafting with mythril? I'm no expert but suspect that's a deliberate hat tip to the canon storyline where Sauron was not disguised as a Man called Halbrand, but an Elf called Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts" who successfully deceived Celebrimbor into forging the rings of power.
It's a shit scene considering Celebrimbor would know more about metals than anyone else in the world and probably already forgot more about it than any human could ever learn, and yet Sauron's "master advice" was to do something as basic as a fucking alloy. Garbage writing
And if only Galadriel had, even once, said to him "yes, fair enough, right, I'll leave you to it, bye" then none of this would have happened and Sauron would have lived out the rest of his days peacefully as Halbrand the smith and master craftsman, making beautiful items out of metal on Numenor. Sure the orcs have the newly created Mordor, but under Adar they are not really interested in world domination, so they settle down and ultimately become somewhat civilized and decent, maybe even discover toothbrushes.
Man I was rooting for Halbrand to be the lost king of the Southlands just like Aragorn was to Gondor... "I was deceived by a lie, we all were! Halbrand is the sith lord we've been looking for." Oops, wrong series.
That claim always seemed to be dubious. He wanted to stay in Numenor. I got the feeling that he would just claim to be the king so his people had a leader. The conversation he had with Adar is what made me think he was Sauron.
Fun fact: Sauron is such a good blacksmith because, as Mairon the Admirable (his name as a Maiar before he joined Morgoth), he was taught by Aule the Smith, a Valar who created the dwarven race.
Funnily enough, the one creation of Aule that did make it to meet his maker was a Dwarf who worked WITH nature, rather than used it. Gimli, Lord of the Glittering Caves, who had fashioned his kingdom carefully in the caverns of Helm's Deep, without truly damaging its beauty yet still shaping it into something beautiful
Crafting was always associated with power in Tolkien's work. That's how all Aule's students struggled to keep on the straight path. Mairon became Sauron, Saruman also turned evil, Noldor including Feanor were tempted with power, leading to them commiting crimes like Kinslaying. Power was a corrupting influence, turning it's users greedy and malicious, meanwhile Aule was all about creating for the joy of it, freely sharing skills and fruits of his labor. Aule shaped dwarves, making them his children, though Eru needed to breath life into them, as Valar cannot create sapient beings with free will out of nothing. In a sense, dwarves are "adopted" and were prophecied to frequently butt heads with elves, which happened to often disastrous results. Tolkien does once again throw a christian reference, as when Aule is discovered, he is prepared to destroy his children, just like Abraham was ready to sacrifice Izaac in Old Testament.
Ya they made Sauron the good guy lol The show is bad But the actor I can 💯 get behind as Sauron and he is a good actor overall Should get better than this S**t show
Honestly if it wasn't entirely to be a Tolkein based story, it might have actually made the show better. Making it a real dilemma, and then following her path to redemption, now that is a show (minus the LOTR IP) that I'd watch.
@@hanumanbearpig i dont understand it... why would anybody do a 1o1 of some books, since when is it bad to just do some twists on it... harry potter did it, why cant this show do it? i like it... very good CGI, decent actors which are improving with the show, good writinig... idk, i like it, way too much unjustified hate imo
It was so obvious and honestly I don’t fault the show because the actor is doing one of the few good performances and really selling that halbrand has done some crazy shit and is very ruthless. However from what I know galdriel and Elrond distrusted sauron from the very beginning when he tried to deceive them and they were the few elves that didn’t buy into his bs.
@@Orocarnii So? Galadriel, Elrond and Gil-Galad should have seen his malicious intentions from a mile away, they are the wisest of the elves, and Galadriel (maybe the others) has incredible skills of perception and foresight (magic).
@@bradleywoods3742 at this point i just accept this is amazon version of Galadriel, haughty warrior princess and not Tolkien's Galadriel, one of the oldest and most intelligent elf in Middle Earth.
@@Orocarnii lol are you serious? Not-Galadriel inadvertently covered his true identity. She did all the work for him. She accused him of being the king that doesn't even exist and he didn't even roll with it at first until he realized how dumb she is.
I would also add the scene in the tavern in Numenor, where all the numenorians seemed pretty hostile towards him at first but he made everyone like him within a few minutes. That's where I suspected his true identity for the first time
Halbrand was the only reason I sat through the show. Great performance from the actor. And from watching the show, and knowing what I can remember from the Silmarillion, Sauron tried to seek redemption but failed in the book, and in the show it kinda seemed like he almost found it till Galadriel forced him back to middle earth and betrayed him upon discovering who he really was identity wise. Because I feel like this version of Sauron the show created only became bad again was because someone who you could call his friend tried to kill him for something that happened centuries ago and wasn't the same person anymore.
Galadriel has always been an agitated one, even in the Silmarillion she supports Fëanor in his pursue of Morgoth, which indirectly leads to the massacre at Alqualonde
@@BasedHorriganthat is completely wrong Galadriel didn’t support feanor at all If you knew the lore you know he asked her for the light of her hair form the 2 trees and denied him 3 times Hence the scene in fellowship showing how gimlie gets 3 hairs cause she saw no evil In him She went to middle earth with the noldor cause she wanted to rule her own realm not because she supported feanor Heck she is actually the one who think going after morgoth’s let alone even Sauron is a suicide note and fools goal Given they are angelic beings with god like powers that without the valar or good maiar they be screwed So do yourself a favor and get your facts right
Sure, lets blame it all on Galadriel and paint sauron into some ''betrayed'' boy who bore no responsibility for his actions, past and present... Sure, if someone turns your down or brings you to task for the crimes you committed (and did not answer) the only possible way is to turn evil again instead of actually trying to EARN redemption... Of course, he was ''forced'' to become a power-hungry mass murderer as he had no mind of his own and Galadriel imposed her will on himself or he was a butthurt incel or spoit brat... If he wasn't the same person anymore, he wouldn't be so quick to return to his old way. This trend to justify villains is getting old now, it does not make you special at all.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 you are overall the show was just terrible right and i wrote that just to state my thoughts on the character. Sauron was the only redeemable thing about this show. Galadriel was just terrible and it was hard to like her character or even support her when she's just an ass to everyone and acts all high and mighty. She's a disservice to strong female characters because they erase what made Galadriel amazing which was her compassion for all life. Instead they wrote her with penis envy (a psychological theory I suggest you look into) and was just flat and uninteresting
Whe he gives Celebrimbor the idea of alloying the mithril he calls the idea a "gift". Sauron's name when he convinces the elves to make the rings of power is "Annatar" which means something like "gift giver".
Yes, i don't like this halbrand... wtf is doing a human teaching one of the theachers of humanity itself, metallurgy basics... i think tolkien already do that part very well with Annatar, idkn why amazon change things already writed, when you have a lot of freedom to put new things, but no, you are changing to the bad in my opinion, the things Tolkien already wrote...
They even tried to fool us with the music. Lovely. I first thought oeh a love character for galadriel. Threw that idea away quick when my sauron suspicion started. Jugh disgusting.
The blacksmith part was when I was very certain Halbrand was Sauron and then his words to Galadriel on identifying what your opponent fears most just solidified it further! Some of my friends said he could be the Witch-King, but I was like, "We have no clue the Witch-King was a blacksmith, but we know full well that Sauron was!" Safe to say I was not surprised when the reveal came in the finale episode because I was sure he was Sauron before were halfway there!
@@gojonissan5567 No, he's what's called a "Maia" who are a part of the Valar (I like to equate them as the devils or guardians for middle-earth because Gandalf was technically one too). The Maia were usually assigned to a Valar (the equivalent Greek gods not named Zeus for middle earth). In Sauron's case, the Valar he was assigned to was the Blacksmith one Aule. From Aule's teachings, it's safe to say that's how Sauron learned to craft great and powerful things like the One Ring.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Pardon me for just giving my opinion on the fan theories when the show aired that Halbran was Sauron! Now that you mention it, a Crumbl cookie sounds pretty good for myself and my wife tonight!
@@finns935 he will probably take up a new form in the next season he tricks celebrimbor into forging the seven and the nine and starts building his army
@@garrettjackson1451 - Rumor has it that Sauron shows up in three forms - male, female, and whatever. All the other ridiculous rumors turned out to be true, so this one probably is too. We should be seeing a cute asian or black human female with a mysterious past next season, and hopefully a little lesbian love story for Guyladriel. Once she finds out that her love is Sauron in ep 8, she'll swear off romance until season 3, when she finally finds true fulfillment with the non-binary life partner she has always secretly longed for. That oughta check off a few diversity boxes.
they totally got me... i never thought he was it but after the reveal everything kinda made sense... very good show imo, way too much hate which aint justified
You missed in the final episode where he says "Consider it a gift" when he gave advice on how to forge the rings Sauron is also called The Giver of Gifts Edit: oh, it was posted before the final episode and reveal
Reminder that Sauron at the height of his power was not armor-clad and obviously evil. He was most dangerous in his Fair Form. And hot damn is that a Fair Form.
I myself never thought of Halbrand being Sauron. I only realized it when he started helping Celebrimbor. I was right about The Meteor Man / Gandalf though.
@@dlindy9143 I believe the blue wizards came together, but then again that doesn't mean anything for tv and movie productions. The Meteor Man wants to travel east which is where the blue wizards went, BUT he's wearing grey, he talks to insects and he used the famous Gandalf phrase of following the nose. This series now also gives another explanation more why Gandalf was so fond of hobbits; they were the first living creatures he met in middle-earth and he had help from them. So I'm quite sure it's Gandalf.
The scene that I found the most incredible on the raft Galadriel and Halbrand in the reflection is shown in SAURON 🗡 and Galadriel his Queen And in the eyes of Halbrand we see the reflection of the volcano he goes to Mordor 🔥🔥
That pig of Sauron tried to marry Galadriel but Imagine that Little Arwen was here to hits against Sauron yelling: "STAY AWAY FROM MY GRANNY, YOU MONSTER!"
He is a Maia spirit without his armor (which is the equivalent of an angel in Middle-Earth), his actual form was never truly revealed. Any physical form of his is not real as he has shape shifting abilities.
Dont see this as cannon, sauron tried to deceive in the form as annatar, like an elv, his fair form and he told the elves that he is a giftgiver from the valar. His form hereas a man is uncannon
@@Snipy55 Actually Sauron does take man's shape at some point, it's in the lore. The lines go ""as a man, or one in man's shape, but greater than any even of the race of Númenor in stature... And it seemed to men that Sauron was great, though they feared the light of his eyes. To many he appeared fair, to others terrible; but to some evil"
and i thought it was garbadge because since when is sauron a man he's maia not man nor elf he was maia like gandalf until morgoth took him and corrupted him
One question I have is what was Sauron doing on that raft ? I mean he couldn't possibly know to meet Galadriel out on the open see could he ? So was he hiding or fleeing?
he was going to Numenor to start over, that's why he hesitated to join Galadriel in her war in the south, because he wanted to stay on Numenor... Their meeting is due to chance... which is not foreign to Tolkien's work. Bilbo happened to find the one ring by chance in a quest organized by Gandalf, one of the maias that were sent to find it... Frodo happened to meet Boromir's brother, Faramir, by pure chance... Faramir happened to be at the border of the Anduin river the exact moment his brother's body (or maybe it was his horn, or both, i don't remember exactly) happened to pass on the stream... Merry and Pippin happened, by chance, to stumble on Treebeard, the leader of the ents (when they could have met any other ent first)... Pippin managed, by pure chance, to find Merry on the battlefield, among thousands of bodies... etc...
@@segments2156 fortunately for him this version of Galadriel is very unwise and provided him with a great cover ID to get where he really wanted to be.
@@mattb8754 yeah, Galadriel's character arc through the show will be to "wise up"... In the books she already has at this point of time, but you can't really make a compelling story with a character that doesn't evolve, so they took the angry Galadriel that Tolkien described from her youth, and placed her in a different context. She will make mistakes (bringing Sauron back), make other mistakes (hiding to the elves that she brought Sauron back), and finally learn from them, that way, when we will see again the scene where Frodo offers her the ring in the Fellowship of the Rings, her refusal and her relief when she realises that she was able to refuse it, will have a lot more weight than it had before.
He didn’t use the people on the raft as bait. He saw that those people are more self serving and was openly hostile to Galadriel when the found out she was an elf. They also threw her into the waters. Then began screaming which attracted the sea monster. I would have done the same thing.
This was probably all a trick to get her on his path. Sauron is supposed to be immensely powerful. He would never end up like that, if it wasn’t of his own choosing. Sauron would probably also have little to fear from that sea monster.
Well the moment he showed a bit to much interest in blacksmithing my suspicion was upgraded tenfold. Then the extra stenght in his fight against the numenorians kind of confirmed him being the most like sauron candidate. Then i kind of forgot as im not a book reader. And got suspicious again when those sentences were uttered by celebrimbor last episode. They threw me of the scent with hints going towards the other unconfirmed character. Who i hope is mithrandir aka gandalf. Overall this tv series is quite cool. A nice counterweight for house of dragon.
Even if he might try to rehabilitate after the war I think the series shows that he is still deceiving and violent by the way he tries to become a smith by stealing the crest and even more his fierce attack towards the Numenorian group.
What is also suspicious for someone from an underdeveloped village is the astounding fluidity of speech, especially on very political situations and matters 🤔. At least in the reality of that world
yeah these are the clues i picked up on when i binged the show: Clues hes sauron: Qoute about binding his very being The "true king" of the south lands, which will become mordor soon. Start of episode Flashback in episode 7 emphasised this Has an odd interest in smithing, something that sauron obviously has need of so perhaps as halbrand he's scouting out the best smiths in middle earth without raising suspicion. Has an intense unknown hatred for Adar, who claims to have betrayed and "killed" sauron Admits he has done evil deeds in the past Stabbed with a lance and badly hurt now somehow totally fine once hes in the same room as Celebrimbor. Emphasis on "call it.....a gift" Galadriel suddenly suspicious of him despite being friends with him up till now Ominous vibe from him that tells me that he is 1000% sauron Wanting to make rings with celebrimbor End of s1 finale: Yup, called it obviously the show isnt amazing but Halbrands actor did a great job with the character
Yeah it all made sense eventually. Each week they were dropping hints I just didn’t want him to be Sauron. I’d rather it’s no one we knew and he’s an elf already in Eregion in Celebrimbors ear. I much preferred the theory that he was one of the 9 seeing as he became a King of Men. Or he was the Witch-King. But I did like how they revealed him in the end. Just wish it wasn’t obvious from the beginning 😅
Imagine paying millions for The rights to use Anatar the lord of gifts, Sauron’s alter ego he used to try to fool the elves and Numeronians. Only to not use it and make up Halbrand. Genius!!
As far as I know, they didn't. They didn't have the rights to The Silmarillion. So there was never going to be an Annatar. They only have knowledge from LotR to make their script from, anything else will get them sued.
All these hints flew right past me lmao. I only figured he was Sauron when he said that he's known by many names. Then kind of all the pieces went together. I did notice some of these hints but I never connected them to be Sauron. Like the smith thing, I was also thinking that he managed to create a very nice looking sword as an apprentice. I mean I didn't know that Sauron was a smith in the first place, I only knew that he created the ring and never thought anything else of it. The fight he had could have been like anything but was super suspicious indeed. I never noticed that he broke the raft in two not the fish lol.
Number 6 was literally the only thing you need to know. "Give them the means to master them(their fears), so you, could master them". ---- basically, the rings of power.
The only reason I didn’t figure out Halbrand was Sauron way earlier than I did was because I kept expecting him to show up as Annatar. My mistake for making that assumption.
@ATalesTruth- well since Amazon wasn't given the rights to annatar they have some flexibility to change the order of how the rings were made. Either the other rings were also made off screen in the last episode (unlikely but possible) or sauron returns in another form to to help convince the elves to make more rings. Or maybe the elves just make more rings themselves but I don't know how the show will explain the 3 rings being different from the others without including Sauron being present for that. Unless it's a throw away line that it happened off screen episode 8 when halbrand was there. But the show seemed to explicitly imply that the 3 rings were the first of the rings made. Which in the poem is chronologically correct but I believe in lore the rings are made after annatar helped make the others and then he left
Won't lie, first episode I was suspicious of him being sauron, 2nd episode I knew with certainty that it was Sauron. They dropped wayyy too many hints, although I suppose the average casual viewer wouldn't notice them.
I really wanted him to be the Witch King of Angmar and we'd get a chance to see his downfall throughout the show as his character arc. I did enjoy his performance once he was unasked as Sauron. He was throwing everything back at Galadriel saying she chose every single step they took and he never lied to her except in concealing his true identity. That was peak Sauron.
as far as i know the witch king is a nazgul enslaved by sauron when using the One ring. So if i understand you were a bit wrong on the sequence of events. You can't have nazguls before the creation of the rings
loved the writing on this one. They hinted it so much that it becomes a bit obvious, but we still could have been wrong. He also could have been some normal guy. The Meteor Man also could have been sauron, or the real slim shady. The reveal that halbrand is sauron feels good and satisfying and doesn't came out of nowhere. If they introduced an beautiful elf named annatar, we would instantly know that this is sauron.
@@bradleywoods3742 Because he didn't want to create the One Ring at that point. After he failed to create that kind of power (Adar said that he was trying to archieve the "power on the flesh") and being betrayed by Adar, it seems Sauron genuilly wanted to live peacefully and to seek redemption (it's loosely based on something Tolkien wrote about Sauron being repented after Morgoth defeat at first). But it also seems that it wasn't his mastermind plan to arrive in Eregion and forge the rings. It seems he has found is new purpose only when he saw the forge and the mithril.
@Cameron Mohwinkle he never was an elf. He is a maiar and can disguise himself in every form he likes to. Disguise himself as an elf in numenor would not be his best idea
This makes me want to watch this show. Sauron is one of my favorite villains of all time, and we finally got an adaptation where we get to see a version of him that's much more similar to the active character he is in parts of the Silmarillion, as opposed to the looming shadow of evil he is in LOTR
I didn’t, because I wasn’t into the lore or much into LODR. For the true fans I guess was too obvious. I could only see that The Stranger was Gandalf FOR SURE
@@Pimkly It's not even a matter of being into the lore or not. It's because the writers made it so obvious who the guy was because he's an original character.
In RoP, Sauron is one of the only likeable characters. And in the Star Wars sequels, Kylo Ren is one of the only likeable characters (in the last 2 movies). It's like modern writers refuse to write character development for anyone but the antagonist.
Theres a part after he smashes that guys head off the wall in Numenor he says" call me...." I looked up Saurons names and one is "Aulendil". If you watch without subtitles and listen . Awsome show
i wouldnt say im routing for sauron i just wanna know the darksides story more and how he created his servants of evil. halbrand is 100% the greatest actor is this show. i think the actor knows how to perfom and how to do his role. im not gunna put hate on tis show all together dispite the story being cheap and uncared, im gunna give it its chances
Tbf for number 4 I don’t think it’s his skill that makes him suspicious. The south lands wasn’t one village Afterall. He could (if he weren’t Sauron) have learned from a talented master in the region or someone in another more developed region during his travels. If you’d just said him being a smith I’d agree lol.
She sides with him, eventually becoming embittered with how the Valar threw her brother and husband into the meat grinder in a war they had nothing to do with. Eventually Elrond manages to help save her, likely using the power of the rings. Thus adding more aignificance to her renouncing the ring when Frodo offered it. I could see myself digging that.
The most important points I think this video missed is: 1. His claim to be King - no honourable King just says “Yeah, I’m King”. 2. His familiar look to Aragorn, whom we know he is not an ancestor of - he is appearing to look like the “True King” - further deception (shapeshifting).
the only hint I got is when I heard Galadriel say that they rode for 6 DAYS WITHOUT REST ( episode 8 , when Galadriel delievered Hal to Celebrimbor) like , no normal human can do that !!
Tbf, Halbrand being stronger than Numenoreans would make sense if he's a king. Middle men like the Rohirrim were capable of feats of strength that surpassed Numenoreans. Like I doubt the average Numenorean could kill a man in one punch like Helm or slay a dragon like Fram.
yes watch it...I was the same then watched it and I have enjoyed it regardless. Tolkiens works are still there and unaltered so it's not the end of the world.
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Imagine some random dude buying that sword not knowing it was forged by Sauron himself 😂
Imagine being those smiths that got beated up not knowing it was Sauron himself who beated them up.
This aged like a fine wine
It has already 🥲
More like milk.
Sour unt ruining my meal
More like milk considering there should be Annatar and not a Halbrand character. He should've been the witch king. But whatever
@@AvatarJian exactly, in fact not having sauron revealed in season 1 would of been great. And instead have him come in as a sort of "leader" of one of the villages would of been nice. And have Galadriel leave the southlands thinking she did well.
00:35 That dude owns a bonafide Sauron crafted sword, should sell it in 50 years.
They made him better looking with every episode, that was a major hint for me.
from the start he let his companions on the raft just get to get eaten with no remorse nor concern, I knew he was evil and was only trying to get close to Galadriel.. I had a little hint when his 3 Silver servants mistaken Gandalf as Sauron..
@@angel91485 look fairer and feel fouler
@@angel91485 He looked like a cut throat
Fair is foul, and foul is fair. Hover through the fog and filthy air ...
That is the sign of a main character
Did anyone catch Halbrand's line in ep. 8 "call it a gift" when imparting Celebrimbor with knowledge about crafting with mythril? I'm no expert but suspect that's a deliberate hat tip to the canon storyline where Sauron was not disguised as a Man called Halbrand, but an Elf called Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts" who successfully deceived Celebrimbor into forging the rings of power.
Yeah, that's one of the most obvious hints
All of it true but he said he was from undying lands, he didn’t tekli that he was an elf
I got the hint when he said he was king of the southland. That's when I suspected him.
It's a shit scene considering Celebrimbor would know more about metals than anyone else in the world and probably already forgot more about it than any human could ever learn, and yet Sauron's "master advice" was to do something as basic as a fucking alloy.
Garbage writing
Everyone caught it. It wasn’t hidden. It wasn’t an Easter egg. It was sign that screamed. “I am Sauron “
And if only Galadriel had, even once, said to him "yes, fair enough, right, I'll leave you to it, bye" then none of this would have happened and Sauron would have lived out the rest of his days peacefully as Halbrand the smith and master craftsman, making beautiful items out of metal on Numenor.
Sure the orcs have the newly created Mordor, but under Adar they are not really interested in world domination, so they settle down and ultimately become somewhat civilized and decent, maybe even discover toothbrushes.
Lol
And braces.
And restaurants with menus.
@@user_____M As long as meat is on the menu
And veganism...
Man I was rooting for Halbrand to be the lost king of the Southlands just like Aragorn was to Gondor... "I was deceived by a lie, we all were! Halbrand is the sith lord we've been looking for." Oops, wrong series.
A sith lawd ?!
That claim always seemed to be dubious. He wanted to stay in Numenor. I got the feeling that he would just claim to be the king so his people had a leader. The conversation he had with Adar is what made me think he was Sauron.
I agreee 😢
Somehow, Sauron returned
You ever heard the tragedy of darth morgoth the wise?
Fun fact: Sauron is such a good blacksmith because, as Mairon the Admirable (his name as a Maiar before he joined Morgoth), he was taught by Aule the Smith, a Valar who created the dwarven race.
Fun fact: both villains Sauron and Saruman were disciples of Aule in the past
@@vitortalles1380 Ties in with Tolkien's dislike of rampant industrialisation. :)
Funnily enough, the one creation of Aule that did make it to meet his maker was a Dwarf who worked WITH nature, rather than used it.
Gimli, Lord of the Glittering Caves, who had fashioned his kingdom carefully in the caverns of Helm's Deep, without truly damaging its beauty yet still shaping it into something beautiful
Crafting was always associated with power in Tolkien's work. That's how all Aule's students struggled to keep on the straight path. Mairon became Sauron, Saruman also turned evil, Noldor including Feanor were tempted with power, leading to them commiting crimes like Kinslaying. Power was a corrupting influence, turning it's users greedy and malicious, meanwhile Aule was all about creating for the joy of it, freely sharing skills and fruits of his labor. Aule shaped dwarves, making them his children, though Eru needed to breath life into them, as Valar cannot create sapient beings with free will out of nothing. In a sense, dwarves are "adopted" and were prophecied to frequently butt heads with elves, which happened to often disastrous results. Tolkien does once again throw a christian reference, as when Aule is discovered, he is prepared to destroy his children, just like Abraham was ready to sacrifice Izaac in Old Testament.
I for one welcome our dark lord sauron.
All hail Sauron
How about the dark lord bezzos The overlord of all dark lords ?
What happened to hail Hydra!
long live the dark lord
Given how terrible a protagonist Galadriel is I haven't rooted this hard for Sauron in my life.
The blade the Sauron forged as Halbrand has got to be some wicked ass gear.
I would name it Hellgrind
I accidentally vendored it...oops.
@@tuomaskuusinen buyback lol
Probably has some unknown negatives you discover too late as well.
I bet it would sell like mad on Ebay.
This series made me like Sauron, the actor did a great job with that script.
Ya they made Sauron the good guy lol
The show is bad
But the actor I can 💯 get behind as Sauron and he is a good actor overall
Should get better than this S**t show
@@ATalesTruth- yea. As long as I treat this show as fanfiction, it's algood for me
@@ATalesTruth- lol cope and seethe
Yes you have to view it from the perspective that Galadriel is the antagonist and that Sauron is the Protagonist and it makes more sense.
@@work90 Thats how I got through it too. They took too many liberties with the source material for it to be anything other than half-baked fanfiction.
I now just want to see an alternate reality where Galadriel did join Sauron and become his bride.
Honestly if it wasn't entirely to be a Tolkein based story, it might have actually made the show better. Making it a real dilemma, and then following her path to redemption, now that is a show (minus the LOTR IP) that I'd watch.
@@davidhobbs5679 Saying this is a "Tolkein based story" is like saying that Blair Witch is "based on real events".
I would’ve said yes cause like 🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐
lmao I like your name
@@hanumanbearpig i dont understand it... why would anybody do a 1o1 of some books, since when is it bad to just do some twists on it...
harry potter did it, why cant this show do it? i like it... very good CGI, decent actors which are improving with the show, good writinig... idk, i like it, way too much unjustified hate imo
It was so obvious and honestly I don’t fault the show because the actor is doing one of the few good performances and really selling that halbrand has done some crazy shit and is very ruthless. However from what I know galdriel and Elrond distrusted sauron from the very beginning when he tried to deceive them and they were the few elves that didn’t buy into his bs.
galadriel still seemed suspicious even after everything they have been through tho
@@Orocarnii So? Galadriel, Elrond and Gil-Galad should have seen his malicious intentions from a mile away, they are the wisest of the elves, and Galadriel (maybe the others) has incredible skills of perception and foresight (magic).
@@bradleywoods3742 at this point i just accept this is amazon version of Galadriel, haughty warrior princess and not Tolkien's Galadriel, one of the oldest and most intelligent elf in Middle Earth.
@@Orocarnii lol are you serious? Not-Galadriel inadvertently covered his true identity. She did all the work for him. She accused him of being the king that doesn't even exist and he didn't even roll with it at first until he realized how dumb she is.
@@bradleywoods3742 Um I don't think you know how fucking powerful Sauron is and how deceitful he is.
"An expert blacksmith" is rather modest for a Maiar of Aule, the Smith of the Valar.
I would also add the scene in the tavern in Numenor, where all the numenorians seemed pretty hostile towards him at first but he made everyone like him within a few minutes. That's where I suspected his true identity for the first time
Now I understand why sauron deceived others easily....he deceived me as well
Who else is rooting for Sauron in this show?
Lol well we know he’s gonna win 😂
I'm just rooting for someone to please slaughter the Harfoots. They're terrible
@@sevegarza until the "dead" Isildur comes back lul
Good Guy Sauron brings jobs and industry to Middle Earth.
The evil side has lava cookies right.
The confirmation for me was him giving advice and calling it a "Gift".
Halbrand was the only reason I sat through the show. Great performance from the actor. And from watching the show, and knowing what I can remember from the Silmarillion, Sauron tried to seek redemption but failed in the book, and in the show it kinda seemed like he almost found it till Galadriel forced him back to middle earth and betrayed him upon discovering who he really was identity wise. Because I feel like this version of Sauron the show created only became bad again was because someone who you could call his friend tried to kill him for something that happened centuries ago and wasn't the same person anymore.
Galadriel has always been an agitated one, even in the Silmarillion she supports Fëanor in his pursue of Morgoth, which indirectly leads to the massacre at Alqualonde
@@BasedHorriganthat is completely wrong Galadriel didn’t support feanor at all
If you knew the lore you know he asked her for the light of her hair form the 2 trees and denied him 3 times
Hence the scene in fellowship showing how gimlie gets 3 hairs cause she saw no evil In him
She went to middle earth with the noldor cause she wanted to rule her own realm not because she supported feanor
Heck she is actually the one who think going after morgoth’s let alone even Sauron is a suicide note and fools goal
Given they are angelic beings with god like powers that without the valar or good maiar they be screwed
So do yourself a favor and get your facts right
Attack on titan is like that
Sure, lets blame it all on Galadriel and paint sauron into some ''betrayed'' boy who bore no responsibility for his actions, past and present... Sure, if someone turns your down or brings you to task for the crimes you committed (and did not answer) the only possible way is to turn evil again instead of actually trying to EARN redemption... Of course, he was ''forced'' to become a power-hungry mass murderer as he had no mind of his own and Galadriel imposed her will on himself or he was a butthurt incel or spoit brat... If he wasn't the same person anymore, he wouldn't be so quick to return to his old way. This trend to justify villains is getting old now, it does not make you special at all.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 you are overall the show was just terrible right and i wrote that just to state my thoughts on the character. Sauron was the only redeemable thing about this show. Galadriel was just terrible and it was hard to like her character or even support her when she's just an ass to everyone and acts all high and mighty. She's a disservice to strong female characters because they erase what made Galadriel amazing which was her compassion for all life. Instead they wrote her with penis envy (a psychological theory I suggest you look into) and was just flat and uninteresting
Whe he gives Celebrimbor the idea of alloying the mithril he calls the idea a "gift". Sauron's name when he convinces the elves to make the rings of power is "Annatar" which means something like "gift giver".
Yes, i don't like this halbrand... wtf is doing a human teaching one of the theachers of humanity itself, metallurgy basics... i think tolkien already do that part very well with Annatar, idkn why amazon change things already writed, when you have a lot of freedom to put new things, but no, you are changing to the bad in my opinion, the things Tolkien already wrote...
The funny thing is they even give him his own music, to mislead you into thinking he is another character like aragorn
They even tried to fool us with the music. Lovely. I first thought oeh a love character for galadriel. Threw that idea away quick when my sauron suspicion started. Jugh disgusting.
The biggest giveaway is when he was asked his name, he responds ''Depends on how close we are''
Finally we get Sauron as a character and not an eye on top of the tower.
Nobody wanted this.
Eye on a tower was more interesting
I wanted that. An eye on a tower is only so intimidating. As a character, we can really WATCH him be evil.
@@kyleroberts3814 the real art of the lotr movies in terms of sauron is tat they make him feel so evil without any direct exposition.
I'll always remember sauron as a handsome beardes guy instead of demonic evil badass monster😭👍
Well this ended up being true 👍
The blacksmith part was when I was very certain Halbrand was Sauron and then his words to Galadriel on identifying what your opponent fears most just solidified it further! Some of my friends said he could be the Witch-King, but I was like, "We have no clue the Witch-King was a blacksmith, but we know full well that Sauron was!"
Safe to say I was not surprised when the reveal came in the finale episode because I was sure he was Sauron before were halfway there!
just a question.. isnt sauron an elf?
@@gojonissan5567 No, he's what's called a "Maia" who are a part of the Valar (I like to equate them as the devils or guardians for middle-earth because Gandalf was technically one too). The Maia were usually assigned to a Valar (the equivalent Greek gods not named Zeus for middle earth). In Sauron's case, the Valar he was assigned to was the Blacksmith one Aule.
From Aule's teachings, it's safe to say that's how Sauron learned to craft great and powerful things like the One Ring.
@@mojojojoslyfoxharris I see you are well versed in the history of the lord of the rings, the deceiver, the bringer of gifts, sauron.
Good for you, now go get yourself a cookie.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Pardon me for just giving my opinion on the fan theories when the show aired that Halbran was Sauron! Now that you mention it, a Crumbl cookie sounds pretty good for myself and my wife tonight!
The fact he was the only competent white male in the show gave it away
Gave me Chills when Sauron returned to Mt. Doom and said: "It's Mordor Time!"
* its saurin time. Then proceeds to sauron all over the place. trul gave mechills
I didn’t even consider him to actually be Sauron but I just realized that he can shapeshift
well, He ( Sauron ) is a shapeshifter... soo
@@finns935 he will probably take up a new form in the next season he tricks celebrimbor into forging the seven and the nine and starts building his army
@@garrettjackson1451 yeah, the show runners kinda did that backwards.
@@garrettjackson1451 - Rumor has it that Sauron shows up in three forms - male, female, and whatever. All the other ridiculous rumors turned out to be true, so this one probably is too. We should be seeing a cute asian or black human female with a mysterious past next season, and hopefully a little lesbian love story for Guyladriel. Once she finds out that her love is Sauron in ep 8, she'll swear off romance until season 3, when she finally finds true fulfillment with the non-binary life partner she has always secretly longed for.
That oughta check off a few diversity boxes.
they totally got me... i never thought he was it but after the reveal everything kinda made sense... very good show imo, way too much hate which aint justified
You missed in the final episode where he says "Consider it a gift" when he gave advice on how to forge the rings
Sauron is also called The Giver of Gifts
Edit: oh, it was posted before the final episode and reveal
this was posted 4 days ago
@@manosbourekas4180 yeah, as in 4 days before the finale aired ;)
≈pls, missed? it was 4 days ago before 8th ep. eye-rolled
Oh right. Sorry. Great vid lol
And Celebrimbor is the tester of testicles now.
Reminder that Sauron at the height of his power was not armor-clad and obviously evil. He was most dangerous in his Fair Form.
And hot damn is that a Fair Form.
Yeah the mastering fears line is exactly what he does with the 9 rings to men, who become Nazgul.
I myself never thought of Halbrand being Sauron. I only realized it when he started helping Celebrimbor. I was right about The Meteor Man / Gandalf though.
I'm still convinced that meteor man is one of the blue wizards. I guess time will tell.
@@dlindy9143 I believe the blue wizards came together, but then again that doesn't mean anything for tv and movie productions. The Meteor Man wants to travel east which is where the blue wizards went, BUT he's wearing grey, he talks to insects and he used the famous Gandalf phrase of following the nose. This series now also gives another explanation more why Gandalf was so fond of hobbits; they were the first living creatures he met in middle-earth and he had help from them. So I'm quite sure it's Gandalf.
Isn’t he Saruman?
The scene that I found the most incredible on the raft Galadriel and Halbrand in the reflection is shown in SAURON 🗡 and Galadriel his Queen
And in the eyes of Halbrand we see the reflection of the volcano he goes to Mordor 🔥🔥
That pig of Sauron tried to marry Galadriel but Imagine that Little Arwen was here to hits against Sauron yelling: "STAY AWAY FROM MY GRANNY, YOU MONSTER!"
The acting in this one is on a whole another level.
We missed the best one that when he says "What do you know of darkness?" to Galadriel in front of the forge
I’ve always wondered what Sauron looks like without his armor but damm I really like Halbrand it’s a shame he becomes so evil
He is a Maia spirit without his armor (which is the equivalent of an angel in Middle-Earth), his actual form was never truly revealed. Any physical form of his is not real as he has shape shifting abilities.
This show sucked but he was the best character in my opinion
@@martysolo4770 your opinion. i loved it
Dont see this as cannon, sauron tried to deceive in the form as annatar, like an elv, his fair form and he told the elves that he is a giftgiver from the valar. His form hereas a man is uncannon
@@Snipy55 Actually Sauron does take man's shape at some point, it's in the lore. The lines go ""as a man, or one in man's shape, but greater than any even of the race of Númenor in stature... And it seemed to men that Sauron was great, though they feared the light of his eyes. To many he appeared fair, to others terrible; but to some evil"
I actually thought Halbrand was the Ring Wraith that stabbed Frodo on Weather Top. But then revealed himself as Sauron absolutely blew me away🤯🤯🤯
and i thought it was garbadge because since when is sauron a man he's maia not man nor elf he was maia like gandalf until morgoth took him and corrupted him
@@Giggles_the_clown but he can assume any form he wants tho, cant he?
@@Giggles_the_clownand Gandalf literally spends the entire series taking the form of a *human?*
One question I have is what was Sauron doing on that raft ? I mean he couldn't possibly know to meet Galadriel out on the open see could he ? So was he hiding or fleeing?
Best not to dwell on all the other holes the writes leave behind. You're likely to fall in one.
he was going to Numenor to start over, that's why he hesitated to join Galadriel in her war in the south, because he wanted to stay on Numenor... Their meeting is due to chance... which is not foreign to Tolkien's work. Bilbo happened to find the one ring by chance in a quest organized by Gandalf, one of the maias that were sent to find it... Frodo happened to meet Boromir's brother, Faramir, by pure chance... Faramir happened to be at the border of the Anduin river the exact moment his brother's body (or maybe it was his horn, or both, i don't remember exactly) happened to pass on the stream... Merry and Pippin happened, by chance, to stumble on Treebeard, the leader of the ents (when they could have met any other ent first)... Pippin managed, by pure chance, to find Merry on the battlefield, among thousands of bodies... etc...
@@segments2156 fortunately for him this version of Galadriel is very unwise and provided him with a great cover ID to get where he really wanted to be.
@@mattb8754 yeah, Galadriel's character arc through the show will be to "wise up"...
In the books she already has at this point of time, but you can't really make a compelling story with a character that doesn't evolve, so they took the angry Galadriel that Tolkien described from her youth, and placed her in a different context. She will make mistakes (bringing Sauron back), make other mistakes (hiding to the elves that she brought Sauron back), and finally learn from them, that way, when we will see again the scene where Frodo offers her the ring in the Fellowship of the Rings, her refusal and her relief when she realises that she was able to refuse it, will have a lot more weight than it had before.
@@segments2156 If only she was in her youth. She is not. Sorry bud you just fell into a plot hole
He didn’t use the people on the raft as bait. He saw that those people are more self serving and was openly hostile to Galadriel when the found out she was an elf. They also threw her into the waters. Then began screaming which attracted the sea monster. I would have done the same thing.
Well I guess you have one thing in common with Tolkien's second most evil being then...
This was probably all a trick to get her on his path. Sauron is supposed to be immensely powerful. He would never end up like that, if it wasn’t of his own choosing. Sauron would probably also have little to fear from that sea monster.
@@m.cproductions3671 and yet, with how they portrayed pretty much every other character, this show managed to make Sauron look like a good guy.
@@OverLorD768
Sauron lietrally seemed like a good guy to many in the Second Age, before his true persona showed.
"I would have done the same thing". Throw Galadriel off the water?
Halbrand being Sauron was about as subtle as a dump truck driving through a nitroglycerin plant
Christmas vacation
Sorry not everyone is a neckbeard nerd like you.... normal people were surprised
A dump truck driven by clowns...
Well the moment he showed a bit to much interest in blacksmithing my suspicion was upgraded tenfold. Then the extra stenght in his fight against the numenorians kind of confirmed him being the most like sauron candidate. Then i kind of forgot as im not a book reader. And got suspicious again when those sentences were uttered by celebrimbor last episode. They threw me of the scent with hints going towards the other unconfirmed character. Who i hope is mithrandir aka gandalf. Overall this tv series is quite cool. A nice counterweight for house of dragon.
As an only-movies-fan, I did not expect this at all, but immediately made so much sense. Loved it!
Even if he might try to rehabilitate after the war I think the series shows that he is still deceiving and violent by the way he tries to become a smith by stealing the crest and even more his fierce attack towards the Numenorian group.
What is also suspicious for someone from an underdeveloped village is the astounding fluidity of speech, especially on very political situations and matters 🤔. At least in the reality of that world
yeah these are the clues i picked up on when i binged the show:
Clues hes sauron:
Qoute about binding his very being
The "true king" of the south lands, which will become mordor soon. Start of episode Flashback in episode 7 emphasised this
Has an odd interest in smithing, something that sauron obviously has need of so perhaps as halbrand he's scouting out the best smiths in middle earth without raising suspicion.
Has an intense unknown hatred for Adar, who claims to have betrayed and "killed" sauron
Admits he has done evil deeds in the past
Stabbed with a lance and badly hurt now somehow totally fine once hes in the same room as Celebrimbor.
Emphasis on "call it.....a gift"
Galadriel suddenly suspicious of him despite being friends with him up till now
Ominous vibe from him that tells me that he is 1000% sauron
Wanting to make rings with celebrimbor
End of s1 finale: Yup, called it
obviously the show isnt amazing but Halbrands actor did a great job with the character
felt like his character did a complete 180 in the season finale once he got healed. it was so painfully obvious
Yeah it all made sense eventually. Each week they were dropping hints I just didn’t want him to be Sauron. I’d rather it’s no one we knew and he’s an elf already in Eregion in Celebrimbors ear. I much preferred the theory that he was one of the 9 seeing as he became a King of Men. Or he was the Witch-King. But I did like how they revealed him in the end. Just wish it wasn’t obvious from the beginning 😅
Being able to forge a sword or rival Celebrimbor in smithing was really suspicious. Great reveal though.
Imagine paying millions for The rights to use Anatar the lord of gifts, Sauron’s alter ego he used to try to fool the elves and Numeronians. Only to not use it and make up Halbrand.
Genius!!
Annatar’s storyline is for next season :)
@@Echo_Joey bro annatar's storyline is not happening, halbrand(sauron) already went to mordor to forge the one ring lol did you not see the finale???
As far as I know, they didn't. They didn't have the rights to The Silmarillion. So there was never going to be an Annatar. They only have knowledge from LotR to make their script from, anything else will get them sued.
@@steveghawtin I'm pretty sure there was a mention of annatar and his involvement in creating the rings of power in the lotr appendices.
Guys the don't have the rights. Halbrand is Anatar, or at least the copy they could make out of this mess
Halbrand hell fire. Brand being something burning in dutch. Should have been the first red flag.
All these hints flew right past me lmao. I only figured he was Sauron when he said that he's known by many names. Then kind of all the pieces went together. I did notice some of these hints but I never connected them to be Sauron. Like the smith thing, I was also thinking that he managed to create a very nice looking sword as an apprentice. I mean I didn't know that Sauron was a smith in the first place, I only knew that he created the ring and never thought anything else of it. The fight he had could have been like anything but was super suspicious indeed.
I never noticed that he broke the raft in two not the fish lol.
Sauron was apprentice of the god of blacksmith before he turn to Morgoth
when the show is being actually clever with the refrences
You were right he is Sauron
But it was so obvious - too obvious…
@@klavicus2276 not really, have you done your research? Have you read the books?
@@43110clyde Might be late, but this devitated so much from the books lol
I didn't realize that Halbrand was Sauron at first, but rewatching the episodes after episode 8, how did I not notice these hints?
Number 6 was literally the only thing you need to know.
"Give them the means to master them(their fears), so you, could master them". ---- basically, the rings of power.
So many people bash this show for the lore or whatever but if you just indulge it as more LOTR content it is just so so good
If only there had been some hints that the show was of good quality.
Well, the title has "Lord of the Rings" in it. Surely that's enough. :p
I feel sad for the people that didn't watch the show but this spoiled it.
N. 13: Halbrand= All-Brand= Brand All= Dominate All
It's a tough call when you opponent can shapeshift.
Now while everyone's lapping the reveal of Sauron, here's another reveal: the mystics are pretty dumb, despite looking awesome and ancient
They dont look awesome at all
Eminem!
The only reason I didn’t figure out Halbrand was Sauron way earlier than I did was because I kept expecting him to show up as Annatar. My mistake for making that assumption.
Well it breaks so bad from the lore given the elven rings are made last not first
So where did the other 16 rings come from cause he can’t go back
@ATalesTruth- well since Amazon wasn't given the rights to annatar they have some flexibility to change the order of how the rings were made. Either the other rings were also made off screen in the last episode (unlikely but possible) or sauron returns in another form to to help convince the elves to make more rings. Or maybe the elves just make more rings themselves but I don't know how the show will explain the 3 rings being different from the others without including Sauron being present for that. Unless it's a throw away line that it happened off screen episode 8 when halbrand was there. But the show seemed to explicitly imply that the 3 rings were the first of the rings made. Which in the poem is chronologically correct but I believe in lore the rings are made after annatar helped make the others and then he left
In episode 2 Galadriel ironically yells, “Bind yourself to me!” during the raft storm scene
Won't lie, first episode I was suspicious of him being sauron, 2nd episode I knew with certainty that it was Sauron. They dropped wayyy too many hints, although I suppose the average casual viewer wouldn't notice them.
Heck, when he said "looks can be deceiving", that is the moment I figured out that he is Sauron because Sauron is good at deception.
Some people think that old Ben was actually Obi-Wan
I really wanted him to be the Witch King of Angmar and we'd get a chance to see his downfall throughout the show as his character arc. I did enjoy his performance once he was unasked as Sauron. He was throwing everything back at Galadriel saying she chose every single step they took and he never lied to her except in concealing his true identity. That was peak Sauron.
as far as i know the witch king is a nazgul enslaved by sauron when using the One ring. So if i understand you were a bit wrong on the sequence of events. You can't have nazguls before the creation of the rings
@@Amigdalite0 But the Witch King was mortal before, though Angmar is a northern kingdom, not Southern
@@BasedHorrigan Angmar was also nonexistent before the third age. The man who would become the Nazgul-Lord was a Numenorean.
I love the Sauron logic of number two: “I’m in trouble. Maybe I should do something Evil? Oh, that worked!
I couldn’t notice thought the series his coldsore/cut lip. Always bugged me lol
loved the writing on this one. They hinted it so much that it becomes a bit obvious, but we still could have been wrong. He also could have been some normal guy. The Meteor Man also could have been sauron, or the real slim shady. The reveal that halbrand is sauron feels good and satisfying and doesn't came out of nowhere. If they introduced an beautiful elf named annatar, we would instantly know that this is sauron.
They don't have rights to Annatar 😊
@@mumaac yes they do
@Cameron Mohwinkle Also, why did he save Elendil? Why did he want to remain in numenor if his plan was to create the one ring?
@@bradleywoods3742 Because he didn't want to create the One Ring at that point. After he failed to create that kind of power (Adar said that he was trying to archieve the "power on the flesh") and being betrayed by Adar, it seems Sauron genuilly wanted to live peacefully and to seek redemption (it's loosely based on something Tolkien wrote about Sauron being repented after Morgoth defeat at first). But it also seems that it wasn't his mastermind plan to arrive in Eregion and forge the rings. It seems he has found is new purpose only when he saw the forge and the mithril.
@Cameron Mohwinkle he never was an elf. He is a maiar and can disguise himself in every form he likes to. Disguise himself as an elf in numenor would not be his best idea
I knew it from beginning so many hints all the time, and the Spear, the sword creation and so on...
This makes me want to watch this show. Sauron is one of my favorite villains of all time, and we finally got an adaptation where we get to see a version of him that's much more similar to the active character he is in parts of the Silmarillion, as opposed to the looming shadow of evil he is in LOTR
haha the guy had a big "YES, I'M SAURON" sign hanged on his back all the time, not surprise at all
Sauron fans crying in corner, knowing THIS wasn't even close to the true dark lord who planned out his moves for 1000 years
He also looks like Aragorn in the movies. Maybe Sauron is the biological father of Aragorn?
Galadriel : He is too cute to be evil lord.
The second Halbrand came on screen was when viewers knew he was Sauron.
And yes, he is indeed the dark lord Sauron🫣
How people actually didn't see that reveal coming blows my mind...
I didn’t, because I wasn’t into the lore or much into LODR. For the true fans I guess was too obvious. I could only see that The Stranger was Gandalf FOR SURE
@@Pimkly It's not even a matter of being into the lore or not. It's because the writers made it so obvious who the guy was because he's an original character.
In RoP, Sauron is one of the only likeable characters. And in the Star Wars sequels, Kylo Ren is one of the only likeable characters (in the last 2 movies). It's like modern writers refuse to write character development for anyone but the antagonist.
The show hits differently once you rewatch it ❤
turn out to be true! great on catching those hints dude
Sauron is so pretty 😍 can't wait for the reunion between him and Adar
I liked Adar, he is going to be so dead if there is a season 2
+the spear and the armor with a lot of rings on it, or random costume design choices 👀
I notice only when he told Adar if he remember him and Adar was confused af
Where is Annatar? Is he safe? Is he alright?
i am afraid in amazon's anger they've killed him. Eventually will appear in season 2 to craft remaining rings in Eregion.
Theres a part after he smashes that guys head off the wall in Numenor he says" call me...." I looked up Saurons names and one is "Aulendil". If you watch without subtitles and listen .
Awsome show
What u mean?
It would've been an EXCELENT hint for fans if in Numenor a dog casually walks by and barks at him and he gets scared.
Thanks for the hints
i wouldnt say im routing for sauron i just wanna know the darksides story more and how he created his servants of evil. halbrand is 100% the greatest actor is this show. i think the actor knows how to perfom and how to do his role. im not gunna put hate on tis show all together dispite the story being cheap and uncared, im gunna give it its chances
He seems like he was genuinely trying to change, but still had a few issues
Tbf for number 4 I don’t think it’s his skill that makes him suspicious. The south lands wasn’t one village Afterall. He could (if he weren’t Sauron) have learned from a talented master in the region or someone in another more developed region during his travels. If you’d just said him being a smith I’d agree lol.
Imagine Galadriel and Sauron together ruling Middle Earth....
I need a fanfic
@@Pimkly Rings of Prime is a fanfic
She sides with him, eventually becoming embittered with how the Valar threw her brother and husband into the meat grinder in a war they had nothing to do with. Eventually Elrond manages to help save her, likely using the power of the rings. Thus adding more aignificance to her renouncing the ring when Frodo offered it. I could see myself digging that.
@@ianmckee4726 The elves started the war themselves lol
The most important points I think this video missed is:
1. His claim to be King - no honourable King just says “Yeah, I’m King”.
2. His familiar look to Aragorn, whom we know he is not an ancestor of - he is appearing to look like the “True King” - further deception (shapeshifting).
12 hints for Halbrand vs 330 hints for Galadriel.
I think Galadriel is Sauron.
the only hint I got is when I heard Galadriel say that they rode for 6 DAYS WITHOUT REST ( episode 8 , when Galadriel delievered Hal to Celebrimbor) like , no normal human can do that !!
Tbf, Halbrand being stronger than Numenoreans would make sense if he's a king. Middle men like the Rohirrim were capable of feats of strength that surpassed Numenoreans. Like I doubt the average Numenorean could kill a man in one punch like Helm or slay a dragon like Fram.
I never started watching the show because of the criticisms. But should I give it a shot because of Sauron?
For Sauron and the dwarves. Just remember that this isn't canon but really expensive fanfic and you'll have a decent enough time.
yes watch it...I was the same then watched it and I have enjoyed it regardless. Tolkiens works are still there and unaltered so it's not the end of the world.
Harry potter ,,looks can be deceiving,, (about hagrid).
Fans : he is sauron!
The character kind of reminds me of a younger Ned Stark more than Sauron for some odd reason.
No Why? Tolkien described Sauron too different beautiful Tall Elf, also strong not like a homeless man