Why I chose S35vn- Exodus Knife & Tool
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Magnacut is absolutely amazing from my minimal exposure to it. I love my Adventure Craft and my Jackalope. I would HAVE to buy another of both if they came in Magnacut!!!! Great video Brother!
Thanks for the detailed and educational breakdown. The chart is very "tactical" also. Good stuff.
Well done, Jacob. Thanks.
Congrats on 30K! 💪🏼
Thanks!!!
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoorsno problem! #magnacut #payingattention
You are crazy. I asked you to do this video literally 3 days ago. Thanks man!
My pleasure! It was a fantastic idea! I hope it answered some questions!
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors you did, thanks!
Great explanation of steel use Jacob🤘🏻it makes perfect sense to use something with all around attributes. Unfortunately the steel hype these days I feel wrongfully educates it’s consumers but great on you for seeing past that brother 🙏🏻
Hopefully i can rightfully educate! And word can get out!
Thank you for the story about steel. Thank you. 👍
I think A-EBL or 52100 would be good stainless and non stainless options for some larger knives. Obviously steels like Magnacut would be awesome to see, but I think s35vn is still a heck of a steel
52100 is FANTASTIC! If I were anyone else it would probably be what I choose, but since I am me and I advertise essentially beating the crap out of my knives I am going for even more toughness haha.
AEBL is so underrated!
I don't know anything about knives. I wanted a few for when SHTF and I trust your judgement with your products. If you sold something in magnacut I'd probably check it out since I'm pleased with what I've got so far. Congrats on 30k! You earned it.
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I learned a lot lately about knife steel, enough to know that I have a lot to learn. I have close to a hundred knives and I have no idea what steel any of them are or how to find out. A lot are gifts and just show pieces and about a dozen are my daily carry rotation depending on what the days plan is.
Mostly I'm just feeding Al's log rythym...
Thank you for that! At a certain point especially with custom knives it becomes hard to remember or keep track of what steel every knife is- and if the ht is good on all of them it can become hard to even care!
Hey Jacob! I really love your minimalistic knife designs. An AdventureCraft in Magnacut would be awesome, I would be really happy to buy one from you. Keep your awesome work up!
All the best from Switzerland, Andi
Thank you!!!
Some interesting information. I think if you did any knives in magnacut it would be cool to see the difference in performance. Congrats on 30K
Thanks!!! 8
I never even heard of magnacut until this video. Seeing a XK&T knife in magnacut would be sweet. Would it last longer as a smaller knife or a bigger knife? Or is it an answer of, "it depends."
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I think it is actually ideally suited so far as i can tell to all sizes of knives which is very surprising!
Good choice and reasoning. I'm sure this info can be trusted. Seems like every time new charts and graphs come up they differ greatly from the last set I thought were good lol. I'm at the point if a steel works for what I need to do I stay with it regardless what any study says. I've always had good luck with frowned upon steels like 420hc, 440's, d2 and the cr/mov groups that get laughed at. Heat treat and quality process much more important than type of steel.
You know i had totally thrown out charts and stuff as well years ago but i think these charts seem to support my experience and they come from what i believe to be relutable- as reputable as any, so im going to limit my charts to one source and i think thatll help.
And in the woods i agree. Ill say that in a folder when cutting abrasive stuff i DO notice a difference in edge holding and there have been times in the bush that i have noticed differences in steel and stuff but yeah-
The reality is that for the most part steel has to meet a par in performance and performance beyond par can be difficult to quantify outside of controlled testing so-
Trust the maker and the heat treat
Or dont.
Those are larger criteria than steel choice usually.
Very good information and breakdown, I wonder if you'll ever do a magnacut run of knives. Seems like it's the bandwagon thing to do sort of and not saying thats a bad thing. I've just noticed more and more companies starting to use it and hyping it up. And from what I've heard about it It very well maybe worth all the hype. I'm am intrigued by Magnacut and Bakerforges Damascus very sweet stuff just looks absolutely incredible.
Been following these charts for over a decade now and studying the Crucible data charts they provide online. Very intrigued at the science behind steels. We just saw the new hangar collapse on Wednesday at the Boise airport (look up pictures) and it is amazing to see steel beams that heavy and wide buckle like that and bend as though they were tin foil. Anyway, I just received the Kabar Snody Big Boss today in S35VN for only $55 (on sale now) because I wanted a dedicated food prep knife with belly and realized I don't have any stainless fixed blades. I've never had any in S35VN so this will be interesting. I will definitely be looking at yours in the future.
I'll have to look that up, that is WILD!
$55 for s35vn is wild!
Looking forward to seeing XK&T knives in MagnaCut
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Came from you know where and congrats on hitting 30k subscribers. I would love to see your knives in magnacut and I would also love to own one in magancut. Because I've been actually really wanting to get a knife with magancut steel especially after seeing some explanation videos on it. And seems like it is worth all the hype and trend of alot of knife companies making limited runs or a new model or sku for the same models in magnacut.
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@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors your welcome 🙏, can't wait to see more stuff you come up with and knife models you make in the future like the Legionnaire.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors magnacut and bakerforge would be epic.
@@Cyber_Productions1998 super fancy stuff like the baker forge will probably be limited to like... 5 knives total a year.
Idk
Unless there is a huge demand for crazy expensive knives.
But man the legionnaire... i cant wait!
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors yeah thats totally understandable haha.
Very interesting video. I do wish 1095 was on there too just to see. It's my go to steel cuz I like esee and kabar. Not the best steel obviously but it works for my usage. I find it interesting s35vn is actually tougher tho? Esees video comparing it to 1095 showed the opposite but maybe their 1095 heat treat is far better than that of their s35vn
Heat treat is everything.
Ill post one with 1095
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors thanks Jacob
Good video! I like your reasoning for the steel choice. I agree with you. Have you considered offering a top non-stainless run of knives, say a2 with a heat treat like BRK does? I have a lot of non-stainless knives and love them. And yes I am older and somewhat of a traditionalist. But to me a knife with a good patina that shows it is used and loved!
I LOVE simple high carbons!
Originally my knives were made in 1080 and the lack of a patina is what lead my to my current color schemes which do patina in their own way and are meant to throw back to traditional natural materials and colors.
However going forward ill have larger knives, likely in 8670, and i could see doing runs of the AdventureCraft and Jackalope in 8670 as well.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Sounds good! Any word on the Mutant? I really like that one.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Oh btw, my AdventureCraft is wonderful!
No word yet on the mutant!
Besides ya using s35vn it being near 154cpm just confirms I'll love it. Lol that was my super stainless steel for years to be honest only super stainless I've played with tell I buy yours. I'm dying for that legionaire. I'm sitting 300 on the first aside whether I win an auction or get jackolope lol time I get started on the collection rebuild. 3 folders I'm looking at is the civivi cognet in 14c28n for the wife civi conspirator
in nitro v for me.
Man im so, SO excited about the Legionnaire!
I dont have first hand experience with Civivi but their reputation is good, im sure they will be great!
(1:40) Baby Bigfoot sighting in lower left corner!
🤣🤣🤣👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
As soon as the exodus 3 gets magnacut I’ll be buying it quicker than 2 jiggles of a jack rabbits ass. Been debating the exodus 3 and flyway for a while now but magnacut would instantly sway my decision
Idk when that will happen but I'm excited for us to get there!
Wow. I saw, “$50 off my order,” and I am here. LOL! Of course, I have a couple of your knives too. Haha!
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@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors “1”. Do you mean 1 knife? Or was that a response to the coupon? Because I have the 3 inch and the 4 inch Adventure Craft and Jackalope (but I can’t remember if I ordered directly from you or from WRK).
I'm curious to know where elmax and 5160 would be on this chart
Ill make another video, pretty sure elmax is tested on these charts somewhere.
5160 is like 8670 but slightly less tough.
Both are at the top of the charts with ztuff.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors I looked at the link, I love the number stat charts to compare. I really like your content and I'll be making knives 1 day looking to get my cdl to save up money for a year then start my business of making knives.
That is exciting man!!!
I think magnacut would be a good choice. However, I don't see anything wrong with White Rivers' specialty, S35VN. I would be surprised if any of us would be able to tell any difference in performance.
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It would be interesting to try to break an adventurecraft is s35vn and in magnacut back to back in a way that is measurable. ..
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors It would be interesting, however, for me, cringe worthy. Maybe get a piece of those steels after heat treat , in the correct thickness and length and do the experiment instead of on knives?
Hhhmmmm that might miss some things.
Like absolute resistance to tortional loading can be very different from edge stability, plasticity, elasticity, etc.
I do understand the cringe, but it MIGHT be educational...
Or wasteful.
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@@rickc4317 The guy who made magnacut made an article where he tested edge retention with a pro grade CATRA machine and he literally wrote:
"I tested two knives in MagnaCut at two different hardness levels with my standard CATRA slicing edge retention test. I heat treated the knives and Shawn Houston ground the bevels and did the initial sharpening. I tested each knife 3 times. The steel matched the approximate edge retention of S35VN, CPM-4V, and CPM-CruWear as expected."
So even according to the magnacut guy it's pretty much identical edge retention.
**chanting** "MAG-NA-CUT!! MAG-NA-CUT!!" Would buy. Especially in one of the bigger bois.
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Larrin created magnacut!
Designed
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Created through design? 😆
s35vn is an awesome steel
imo a lot of these steels are more similar than a lot of the steel elitists on the internet would like to think.
The difference between 14c28n and magnacut is like a 30-40% increase in CATRA edge retention in exchange for a bit less toughness and much higher cost. Is that so bad? They'll all be great steels to me no matter what trendy fancy steel comes out.
I do agree! Especially if the steel is well done!
Look, I need Magnacut..I’m fighting dragons and roaches in my mothers basement with Meal team 6😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Understandable
Its interesting that the AUS8 is tougher steel than S35VN
The cheap simple stainless' all have potential for being REALLY tough as can been seen by simple cheap stainless' like 420hc and 12c27 being almost 3k as tough as 1095.
And Aus8 fits in with that somewhere- the issue is SO many companies use the cheap stainless' that there are a lot of bad examples out there.
Also- for folders they dont have the best edge retention- especially when cutting boxes and abrasives.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors Yep Gerber liked to use AUS 8 back about a decade ago, not sure if they still do.
Sure it’s tougher, but it’s garbage compared to everything else.
Aus8 is a Neanderthal tool steel, where you beat it mindlessly and don’t worry about consequences, but you forgo everything else
@@oldiron3735 i think they do on their imported stuff, but their domestic stuff im pretty sure is 420hc.
@@clintwestwood3539 "garbage is subjective"- in the woods where abrasive are much less common and edge holding is far less important and sharpenability is far more important our expensive gucci steels are garbage.
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Just would like that hivis models not be so hard to hunt down in future
I mean they have been in stock for like a year at exodusknifeandtool.com 🤷♂️
So reading this right nitro v is a tougher steel but the edge retention is a lil sus
Yeah- inferior toughness to aebl/ 14c28n but with similar edge holding.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors yea I got a nitro v knife and it’s a bit tough to get a awesome edge on it
@@kennethrimmer1883 hhhmmmm that doesnt seem right, it should be really easy i think depending on hardness... could be an edge geo thing or a ht thing.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors yea might be a me thing to. I’ve always been more of a high carbon steel fan 1095/80crv2 so I can sharpen those really great. Just recently started dabbling into the stainless type of steels
MagnaCut top blade steel.
You’re A Breath Of Helpful Fresh Air , Compared To Rodney [ Black Scoot Survival ]. 😉
Thanks!
I googled 14c28n the other day. I found it interesting to see how many knives coming out of comm china happen to be made from this steel,... supposedly.
Then I thought to myself, "Wouldn't it be funny if all these communist china knife manufacturers claiming to be using 14c28n are actually using 8cr13mov??"!
I don't know, just a thought that popped into my head.
Its a VERY popular steel, pretty sure its mfg'd in Sweden.
I wouldnt be surprised at ALL if it was mislabeled from the companies.
I also wouldnt be surprised at all if it wasnt mislabeled but their ht was trash.
@@Thepreppersbunkeroutdoors yeah I was just a bit surprised to see so many communist chinese companies like Civivi, Real Steal, and Ruike use a Swedish steal. Is china really importing Swedish steals or just mislabeling and passing their knives off as being made with Swedish steal?
Its hard to say, i know they have been buying up American steels for years now that they can and stocking up entire warehouses.
So 🤷🏻♂️
S35VN is the steel to look for in performance and price. Knives are too expensive except for collectors, who don't care about price even though there is little resale value on knives. No one will ever get rich buying low and selling high on knives.
S35VN does indeed offer an amazing balance of performance for the price! I also love AEBL, 420hc, and 12c27 for stainless value steels!
And yeah, buying and selling used knives has always been a losing game in my experience.
See you do the homework and recommend a steel and I trust you so if that’s what you recommend.
Yeah i think with the currently available data magnacut is an easy recommendation!
Ill have more steel info soon!
I thought the s35vn was high faulting, Magnacut would be way beyond me.
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