Collecting Wild Mystery Snails in Australia, Another Invasive Species in our Waterways.
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- I went out with a Friend of mine Morris after seeing this spot on Social Media to hunt down some invasive Mystery or Apple Snails, to our surprise there were hundreds of them, we thought they would of been all gone, so if you want some Mystery Snails or just the shells for your shell dwellers go for a days hunt and help the environment, you probably won't be disappointed, even after collecting as many as we saw and having a half an hour rest, it was like they replaced them selves and there was a heap more back again, I have left the location on the video and it's easy to get to so take the kids and have some fun, Thanks for watching!
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Thank you for cleaning our waterways. Will keep an eye out for them in my local waterways.
Thank you! every little bit helps.
Wow, that is shocking just how abundant they are! Quite disheartening to see but am so glad for your drawing attention to this issue along with your stellar efforts in eradicating them too. Hopefully the message will spread and see more locals invest their efforts into helping eliminate these pests and also stop dumping exotics into local waterways. Great work Jase! :)
Thanks Thalia, we can only hope it helps, I will be definitely keep going back to check on the place as much as I can, I hope the word spreads, it was very upsetting to see.
yeah, these apple snails reproduce massivly. it's so bad, that owning, selling or breeding them in Germany is forbidden, cause they have already been taken over Spain. But also, we do have pools with tropical fish in the wild, but due the weather here, we are sure that they won't spread. they survive due local hot springs. Since it's invasive, it's free fish.
@@chaosgoettin Yes I have seen those springs on here from Chris Lukhaup, he did a wonderful job on his video, as you said you are lucky they are restricted to just the hot springs and it looks like it has become a bit of a tourist attraction, it is also good for educating people to show what could happen if fish are released, I know how much German people love their nature and take their time to replicate it especially in their aquariums, we are slowly getting to be the same although I have been doing it since I was young because my grandfather was Czech and he to really loved it and I took after him, it means more to especially European people because you have such cold winters so it's nice to look at something tropical, where we have it all the times so it doesn't mean as much here to the general population, We to have a couple of places like yours in the colder parts of the country like a couple of electric power plants have ponds that are heated from the power production but now they are closing those plants down as they are old coal plants and these fish are now gone due to the cold.
@@australianbiotopes4563 as I am still a child of the GDR, Fish and Fishtank are somewhat another hobby I was introduced early on, next to self sufficient gardening. TBH, my husband and I talked about possible countries to retreat to when shit goes down the drain in Germany, with Smurfs getting the majority in Bundestag and / or Putin running everything over, lol (absolutly highly theoretical, because we talk about shit and what if's.), and we pretty much straight went for Australia and New Zealand.
Actually, Husband was like: "Australia has too many nopes." and I was like: "Good day to work remote when the weather report says: "It's a nice sunny day with a refreshing breeze. Between 8 am and 5 pm there might be cloud of silk and spiders falling from the sky. Good day!" "
I am arachnaphobic. But I also know how to deal with spiders. didn't make me less uncomfortable with spiders. He became one, too. So I guess I should not tell him yet, hunting spiders's eyes reflect in the dark when you shine a light on them and you might see hundreds of eyes staring back at you x'D
@@chaosgoettin To be honest Australia is the way to go, we have every climate on the one continent, we have deserts mountains with snow, tropical rainforest, reef, beautiful beaches and a lay back life style, all the scary stories you may hear about Australia are pretty false, yes we have snakes, spiders, and crocodiles, but you can live as dangerously or as safe as you want, so it's pretty much your choice, most people that live here may not ever see those animals if they don't go looking for them just like anywhere else, but we are lucky we don't really have any large predators like Bears or Lions so camping is pretty safe, and there is so much to see, you can take a life time exploring what ever habitat you like, or just buy a remote farm and do your own thing, I hope that helps, we still have the same problems as everywhere else but nothing to be scared of, there are only a couple of venomous spiders and the rest are harmless 🙂
So great to see local documentaries from South East Brisbane! Great work guys! Keep it up!
Thanks for watching! 🙂
We collected about 40 last weekend. If you are hunting for them, make sure you go all the way to the creek, not just the drain area. They like hiding under rocks and in the mud.
Hello Jason, I know you from KeepingFishSimple- Nick. These are the contents I love to watch, so I did subscribed to your channel. Thank you for all the video's you show us, we learn from them and about nature. Thank you!
No worries Mary, Thank you for Subscribing, I hope you enjoy the videos 🙂
Great channel, (just found you 😊) and so great you were able to remove the ones you did, and hopefully more people will follow suit!
We have those mosquitofish wash into our farm dam after every rainfall - our kids catch them and feed them to our cats. Apparently they make a great little snack because our cats meow loudly at the fishtank we keep them in 😂😂
Thank you! I think it payed off posting it, I have had great feedback of people going and collecting them, great idea with the Gambusia or Mozzie fish, they can be a real threat to our native fish.
good stuff... the journey of a thousand snails starts with the first foot....... or sumthin....
Like the hair and the tortoise, these things are slow but they seem to be winning the race.
I only found 3 snails today trying to collect some in this spot. Good news!
Thank you for doing this and for letting us know
No worries! Thanks for watching 🙂
as a kid, me and my mates would catch these snails and sell them to pet shops and fish farms for pocket money. we did pretty well back then.
I had these snails (I assume it is the same or very similar species - were called "apple snails") in my aquarium when I was a young boy. Very nice aquarium animals. When I re-started a few years ago into the hobby, I realized they are forbidden maenwhile here, because they are so invasive. Even here in central Europe, where you (used to) have cold winters... Your example shows it apparently was wise to forbid them.
Yes they are great for the aquarium, but as you can see they are pretty invasive, so it's probably a good thing.
Bro!!!
I just found your channel!!!
Firstly RESPECT🥰
I have been exploring creeks since I was 11!
I'm 57 and still doing it now!
I have worked in the aquarium industry all my life.
Scott's Aquarium was my first place.
The Aquarium Specialists. Aka Colin Smith❤
Then Cool Pets.
I could yap on about what you do till I drop dead.
I would love to see some Threadfin Werneri.
You are exactly like me.
I love the fresh water plant aspect as .uch as the fish.
I won't rattle on about all that or I won't stop typing
Great content
Thank You
Mina.
P.s
I've gone to plastic fish traps as to not damage the slime coat on the fish with netting types.❤😮
Thank you! same, it's a great past time, I've done it with my kids and grandkids as well, it never gets boring 🙂
for hard to reach spots- tongs may help. They come in all sorts of shapes and sizes- there may be one thin enough to easily retrieve snails from the narrow bars
A simple small landing net from Kmart can be used but we didn't have one on us, I was going to take one but forgot.
@@australianbiotopes4563and a scraper to scrape the eggs out of the dry area.
@@ChrisWijtmans They are pretty easy to collect without a scraper, the ones in the drain could be reached with a net, I just didn't have it when I was filming.
Thankyou for all your efforts.
Thank you for watching 🙂
You two took major numbers from a large--but finite--population. I would be as disheartened as you were! In making this video you will convince other naturalists to descend on that creek, and with your combined efforts the mystery snail population will wither. Take heart, friend!
Thank you! the dishearten part was I actually saw this on social media and others had been there before me and got even more then me in the same spot not long before, and I know some friends went after me and still got plenty, but with videos like this it will definitely if anything put a big dint in the population, people will see or come across this video and still keep going and collecting, they don't grow that fast so they will dwindle down eventually for sure. I will keep checking on this place each time I go down that way just to check how it's going, I have even got some fish clubs involved in this place and hopefully others to collect as well, it takes an army of people to help 🙂
@@australianbiotopes4563thanks for the hard work, mate! Hoping others closer than me can get in here and clear them out.
@@sventer198 I've had mates go down and collect them and have done well, I'm sure it will keep going Thanks!
Great video Jason!
Thanks 🙂
Might pay to plug this into the Feral Fish Scan app
Go for it, I've never used it 🙂
I LOVE mystery snails, but this was just depressing how much they have spread, and how easily they can.
Yes same, I would of never of thought they would of got away so successfully, it just goes to show how careful we need to be.
I have these snails, and have watched them reproduce rapidly in my tanks (a clutch of 200+ eggs every few days from only a group of 5). I always wondered if they were in our water bodies, as all it takes is one idiot. Great video.
Yep.
love this video i have a couple ponds which i have 1 snail i found a while ago and is doing well and this is very close to me so im definitely going to head down and grab some which could help the enviroment a little too which is great
Nice one!
Thanks for spreading the word. I know a lot of people that spend a lot of time around the waterways & drains. I'll spread the word too.
I don't know if they've reached down south yet.
How do you get rid of them? Put them in a freezer?
Yes I figure that would be the best way, Thanks.
Gosh they are everywhere. Very good example of an invasive species.
Yes pretty upsetting.
It's a seriously quiet threat. Important work.
Yes not the most popular animal for the aquarium, but hopefully there is enough people that see this and goes and help get rid of them, they have definitely flown under the radar being in the back of an industrial area.
Looks to me, like the horse has already bolted. Sigh! Given the aquarium industry in Australia they are probably in hundreds of other locations as well.
Good luck with your efforts all the same.
I have had people tell me they have been there since and are having trouble finding them now, so if anything by making it public it will keep them down.
Will definitely have to go collect a bunch! Got a few animals that would love to eat them 😂
Go and check it out you should get some, we didn't even bother going further downstream.
As someone that keeps and breed mystery snails and swordtails, it’s a shame irresponsible people releasing these animals into waterways
Yes we have to be careful or they will become another noxious species and no one will be able to keep them.
All those ugly lil fish and snails should just be illegal here like they are all ugly and useless think everyone would rather look at a barra 😂😂
@@australianbiotopes4563 indeed brother
I think it mainly comes down to people's water change habits, dumping old tank water into storm water instead of the garden. Spreading eggs, fry and plant clippings.
@@adrianzmajla4844 It could be to.
Great video. What are some good pond native alternatives for algae eating?
There is no real quick fix for algae that is good for your pond, the trick is to get a lot of plants growing healthy, preferably full aquatic, some floating or plants with floating leaves like water lily and some sedges to get a good balance, once you get that growing well you won't have to much problem with algae unless you over stock your pond.
I caught a full 20l bucket of huge ones from the deep drain. They were huge. Thanks for sharing.
No worries! another bucket out of the wild 🙂
@@australianbiotopes4563 it will be interesting if they are still there in any number moving forward
@@MrCites1 Yes I was hoping by posting this it would at least keep the numbers down if anything and give some people the fun of collecting them, the strange part about it is most of the land care groups don't seem to care, I've approached them and it seems they just brush it off, so after that I have lost a bit of faith in them, you always see them boasting about all the things they do but I'm now starting to think they are just in it for the money or as I stated in the video our waterways don't harbour cute and cuddly animals so out of sight out of mind.
Thanks for opening my eyes, once collected, what's the best way to dispose of them?
Good question
Eat ‘em?
I went there today and only managed to get 14 which was pleasing given some of the numbers others have gotten. There were lots of eggs though, and a few massive ones out of reach under that big grill, so I'm sure there will be a permanent supply in that spot now unfortunately.
good on u for getting out there and making a difference! nothing worse then a fish video saying theres invasive species but they dont even attempt to kill some
Mate I will always try and get what ever I can if it's invasive.
You're doing great work for the environment! Also hopefully making some cash, I paid $5 for a snail like this for my tank and I absolutely love it!
Thank you! I was mainly collecting them for shell dwellers but I did put a few in my tanks as well.
No wonder the hobby is becoming so heavily regulated becuse of the lack of responsibility among so many fishkeepers. I guess it really doesn't take that many bad actors though. Invasive species are invase for a reason - they are able to adapt and to multiply rapidly in habitats in which they've been introduced.
I'm curious, and I know this can be a touchy subject, but are there safe molluscicides that could be used? Or are there native species of mollusks that would be affected?
Your series on invasives has been a reall asset to the hobby, Jason. Thanks for these. Also, I took a screenshot of your "Don't Release. . . " poster from the end of your video. I hope you don't mind. If so, I won't use it.
Thanks, Mate! Cheers! ~Ron
No I don't mind go for it! there are native mollusks that could be used in there place, but nothing with the same impact as these, in all honesty you can buy these and if your responsible and don't release them it's ok, Nerite Snails are the way to go if you can get a hold of them, they won't breed in freshwater, they have a life cycle that relies on salt water to reproduce so they are much safer in an aquarium.
@@australianbiotopes4563 thanks, Jason!
Unreal.
Yes exactly what we thought!
Be good for blue tongue keepers also, they love to crunch a snail.
Yes I used to breed Blue-tongues, I wish I would of found them then.
Just grabbed 50 monster sized ones from here the other day.
Great!
wish i was in qld. i would freeze them and feed them to dermestid beetles to sell the shells lol.
Yeah good for shell dwellers.
Great job bringing to attention another invasive/feral pest damaging the Australian enviroment. If only there were enough people who cared to help stop and reverse what is happening. Imagine the outcry if government imposed a total import ban on all aquarium fish etc because of the danger ferals to our waterways!
Exactly! most probably wouldn't care until it effects them.
I am pleasantly surprised by how clean and unpolluted the water looks so close to an individual estate. Probably full of heavy metals and organochlorides though. It still looks quite healthy.
Yes this is a drain designed to capture any rubbish before it reaches the creek it self, it is mostly storm water but yes there would be run off from those industrial properties.
Really just chilling in the open in the Queensland sun what temp was it that day any idea
Not to hot, mid 20's but was still warm in the sun, I guess they must filter water through them selves to keep them selves cool.
Cheers from my fishroom channel in Chicago, where I just subscribed to yours! Sorry to have discovered it on such an unpleasant subject. Curious if you found all the possible color morphs of these snails? looks like primarily the gold and magenta?
Firstly Thank you! I will check you out and subscribe🙂 and yes it's not really a pleasant video but one I felt I had to post, I love doing the nice ones but I feel it's my responsibility to post these as well as a aquarium keeper, no these were the only ones in this creek, but I have since found out there is a range of colour forms in other creeks dotted around South East Queensland, I will have to go and check them out when I get time, I have gotten some local fish clubs and environmental groups now involved to try and find them and try and get out as many as we can, and locate others. So a bit of good news 🙂
@@australianbiotopes4563 thank you for your efforts. The world appreciates you and the videos are very engaging as well :)
@@LushSaltyAquariums Thank you!
Wow . As kids we would explore this creek. What a shame. Another invasive species
Yes I lived in an area not that far away to, it saddens me to see this, luckily they are slow and not fast growing so hopefully people seeing this may put a good dint in them, if we keep going back, I know I will to check on the place from time to time, Redlands has always been a place with nice bushland and a pretty good council as far as they go, I was actually surprised to see fresh tree plantings near by and these were so visible, maybe they need some fresh education, with all the building going on in the area it is all slowly being lost, even the local native fish are running out of habitat, that whole area in my opinion should of never really been built on, it was prime farmland with good rainfall, they could of left good size nature corridors and left it for tourists, even the reef has been destroyed by canals, we have lost a treasure of a place to greed.
They are at the storm water drains in Nerang, thousands
Thanks will have to check it out one day.
Mate thanks for posting. I've seen similar vids from down the GC but this one is very close to me, so I'll be getting down there with a bucket for sure! What's the best way to kill and dispose of them?
I'm not sure of the best way, maybe squashing or freezing them.
@@australianbiotopes4563 Sell them to the French :)
@@wazza9089 Apparently people do eat them, but I wouldn't coming out of that creek.
@@australianbiotopes4563 Good tip 🤣
@@australianbiotopes4563snail killer from Bunnings or a cup of kero mixed in a bucket of snails.
We pay a fortune for these down here in Vic. Sell em to us and you'll make a fortune. LOL. They can't survive our winters so no risk.
Might be something to think about down the track.
Sad, I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel. I love my fish, both tanks and ponds. Keep it tidy as much as i can. Birds bring stuff. Gambusia actually seems not bad atm. All the foreign plants and fish. The snails then live bearers most likely but they are already everywhere.😢 I see plecos can become a feral issue. Saying but they are tropical, they will adapt. It is a problem globally. Different stuff does not belong in different strokes this time.
Luckily these are pretty slow and not the fastest of growers ether, if enough people go and collect them they may dwindle down.
They are very hard to get in aquariums down south. Maybe you could make an eco-friendly business selling these ferals? Thanks for doing something about the problem and letting others know.
I'll see how they go in my aquaculture tubs, It might be something to look into down the track.
That's what they do with the invasive Burmese down in the Everglades. They collect and sell as a food item for other snakes, stuff like that. I know a guy through a different hobby (cars) that feeds them to his larger snakes. So far it seems to work out alright for the collectors monetarily and they get to help the environment. Something like that may be doable, I know Australia seems to have some pretty strict importing limitations, I assume export is pretty well fair game? Definitely seems like something a person might be able to make a few bucks while helping the local waterways. Which props to you for doing that, if more people did, we'd have a lot cleaner planet to live on. Thank you. I don't live in Australia but I do happen to be riding the same pale blue dot through space, and we all appreciate it.
@@goosenotmaverick1156 Thank you!
Anyone else think spotto 58 seconds in
vietnamese will love it Sir its like a bacon for them i mean some of them
I've heard some people eat them, but they would have to be put in clean water for awhile, the creek they are in is a drain coming from a industrial area, who knows what goes down it.
Are they eatable? Might be a way to get rid of some.
I've been told they aren't the best eating, and with the water coming out of an industrial area, I'm not about to try these ones anyway, it was a bit of a worry when I even saw the water birds ignoring them.
Use pleco wafers to attract them then catch heaps.
It would be a waste of wafers there are so many you can just pick them up and fill a bucket.
hi do you know of any waterways towards Gympie that have invasive species in them that I could visit?
I haven't been around there for awhile so I wouldn't know my self sorry.
How would you know the difference between this snail and native ones?
There are no native snails this size in the area or this colour for that matter, so even the young ones are safe to collect if they are this colour, the largest native snail would be dark brown and no bigger than your pinky finger nail.
As a major Aussie fish breeder it kills me seeing invasive species being released after all the work fish breeders do to conserve endangered species. It's my biggest concern seeing an exotic endangered species I have helped to restore the population of being released into our waterways. If it continues then future fish breeders and farms will need to be breeding native fish to restore their population here because they've been killed by speices which are no longer in their own natural waterways overseas due to their environment being destroyed. It's even worse when it is something so incredibly invasive like snails.
Yes same.
Tackled that location myself on my channel and tiktok
Nice one mate! the more it gets shared around the better, I couldn't believe it when I saw it on Facebook, so sad to see they have gotten away so bad.
can it be eaten, as in turn them into chips and crisps? i ate snail chips once, and they taste good
I'm not sure if they are edible, but coming from a run off in an industrial area, I probably wouldn't try them anyway.
I'm surprised to hear that they likely were introduced from aquarists flushing them down the drain. Is it common for black water to flow directly into the watershed in Australia? I always thought water treatment would handle individuals / eggs
We have two types, waste water that travels down with sewage and stormwater that runs off into creeks, a lot of animals get washed down the second, and will happily live in drains.
@@australianbiotopes4563 thanks for the reply, its similar here in the states but a lot of American cities have a combined system that will flush sewage into the watershed during heavy storm surges. That's part of why I was curious.
@@XiadaniLicarayen Some of the smaller country sewage plants do that here as well, they are actually starting to do well here and making man made lakes to capture the stormwater before it goes into the waterways that in turn filter the water with aquatic plants and captures rubbish in cages before it hits the waterways, but the downfall to them is they are no fishing zones and people discard their fish into them, they then breed and overflow into the creeks, so it's almost like a breeding program for exotic fish, the only good part is clear water flows out without rubbish.
How do the snails destroy the habitat?
They don't have any natural enemies in this ecosystem so if left unchecked they will just keep breeding until they reach plague proportion and their bio mass will probably crash the system eventually, but it's not only them, this creek was the habitat of the Ornate Rainbowfish, it is now being over run by Swordtails, Mosquito fish or Gambusia, Tilapia, and Cane Toads, all tougher animals that out compete the natives that have now become threatened in the area due to these exotics, none of these animals belong so this video is more of an educational video for people to see and help open their eyes and to show what happens when animals that don't belong can breed out of hand and destroy an ecosystem, if it prevents it happening in the future to other creeks it has helped, but I personally think this creek has been destroyed already, I'd much rather see it full of the native fish then a pile of large white snails that are exotic.
@@australianbiotopes4563OK thanks for the explanation.
I was looking to order 500 for my pond, pig nosed turtles love to eat them, they couldn’t survive cold weather down south I’d assume?
I'm not sure how cold of weather they could handle, maybe try Atlas Aquarium in Brisbane, I know they went down and collected a heap more then me, I'm actually keeping the shells for shell dwellers.
Nerang Brendan drive next to dinner plenty there
@@vwbusguy Thanks!
Do you have any contacts in WA? I'm wanting to catch future aquarium stock from the wild if they're invasive. Also looking for anyone in WA breeding native species in captivity.
No sorry.
Pretty tragic Jason... looks like there's other invasive semi-aquatic/riparian plants in there, possibly Ludwigia longifolia... my feeling is that we're seeing more ecological conversion happening here, with the development of a novel system comprised of both endemics and introduced species as being the new 'normal'. Interestingly, I was surprised at how many Australian species I saw doing the same thing l when I spent time in Colombia and Ecuador - particularly Eucalyptus spp.
as someone living in California, a few very rich people fell in love with Eucalyptus and planted them quite freely here. They're widespread and nice to look at so many people don't even realize how far they are from their native habitat.
There was Ludwigia peploides I noticed, that is a native, I am sure there where probably more, we do have a few native species though as well, yes when we swap plants over our plants can be just as invasive where they don't belong, it is like driving up our highways it is full of pine plantations for timber, it feels like driving through the States or Europe, not the best for tourists, the worst part is they could of left a verge of our native habitat so it actually feels like driving in Australia, they really get away into our habitat as well, but it's big business and that always takes priority unfortunately so I can understand that it's probably the same with our Eucalyptus.
@@XiadaniLicarayen One day you may have more Koala habitat than us, they spread well, you can come and visit our pine forests and we will visit your Eucalypt Forrests, that's probably the way it's going 🙂
hey mate, i dont live too far from there. is it worth it for me to go down and collect some too. and what to do with them afterwards? Also where did you geet your shoes?
Yeah definitely worth it, it was great fun getting rid of them, you can probably freeze them and then dispose of them if you don't want them for anything, I got my shoes from BCF they are diving shoes, but really good for this type of thing as they grip and protect your feet.
@@australianbiotopes4563 will be taking my 5 year old down there this weekend. Cheers. Teach him about invasive species
@@Bigbashbang2 Nice one mate, have you showed him the Rodney Rainbowfish video I posted for kids, I will be posting more of them up soon, Steve Baines has another one out, and another one in August, it's to teach the kids about our waterways, My 5 year old son loves it, it's a good little educational book 🙂 I hope you both get some, he will love it, just watch for snakes.
@@australianbiotopes4563 will have a look at it!
@@Bigbashbang2 Good luck 🙂
If those water had carp there will be no plant nor snails
Sadly they have got away
Like everything else
Thanks guys
Yes Thank you!
If they're edible, the Aussies might need to develop a taste for escargot.
I don't think they are, but the drain they come out of was in an industrial area so it wouldn't be advised to try them from there.
We need an app to take a photo of a plant or animal and have it tell you if you're looking at an invasive species. For the average guy like me we've got no idea what is and isn't meant to be there.
Yes that would be great! I hope to get as much information out there as I can but it would be much better 🙂
Can snails like this enter the ecosystem via gravel cleaning with siphon and discarding water?
If not careful yes I guess they could, especially if they have young in your tank.
you can sell them back to the fish shops if any1 want so make a quick buck
They aren't really big sellers but the shells are good for shell dwellers, so they got that going for them.
Has this been reported? Ill be going to make my dint. Just be cautious they can start snagging people with fines for taking them away instead of destroying them.
It's public knowledge, I don't think you have to worry about being fined, they are an invasive species not noxious, so that means you can collect as many as you want.
Put some Kelo in the drain
Always dispose of my dirty tank water on my garden, making sure none of it goes into the storm water drains. Any eggs or anything living will dry out & die in the sun.
Yes same.
be careful handling wild snails they could be infected with dangerous diseases.
Thanks for the tip.