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Superman Returns (2006) Retrospective / Review
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Superman Returns (2006) Retrospective / Review
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You know that James Marsden got lured away from X-Men 3 thinking he was gonna play Superman. And that's the irony - you have James Marsden and Parker Posey, a wonderful Superman and Lois, right there! And yet...
I think he would have been a better Superman and I think Kate Bosworth makes a terrible Lois. Maybe Courtney Cox or Jennifer Connelly should have gotten the role.
I thought James Marsden was better as Richard White than Cyclops, Kate Bosworth and Parker Posey probably should have switched roles. Brandon seemed to have more chemistry with Parker in their short scenes together.
I thought Brandon Routh is great in the role, but yeah, Kate and Posey should’ve probably switched roles. And Marsten’s character didn’t need to be in the movie at all.
@@biguy617Brandon Roith looks like Christopher Reeves
Blaming Routh is really a chicken shit thing to do. He's a decent actor, and I like the guy. Like the reviewer says, there is a lot wrong with it. I own the movie, and still enjoy the plane sequence, and the New Krypton lift, but it's really hard sitting through the rest of the movie, waiting for those scenes to happen.
Allan Rivera You are right, blaming Routh was wrong. Blame the director, the editor, the producer and the blind fool who cast this turkey. Routh was miscast and no one can deny that huge mistake and giving him a bad script and a misguided director didn't help him much. He has been cast as The Atom on the CW series THE FLASH and he is just fine in that smaller and controlled role that is not demanding.
***** He looks like Superboy, not Superman. He does not have the build...the physical presence that being Superman demands. It was a sad movie all the way around.
Jeffrey Marx He wasn't miscast. It was wrong for that role to even exist but routh did fine in it. He got the dorky charm down just fine. It's not about liking him but he did what they wanted. The whole acting like the 70s movie was the greatest thing ever was the problem.
Allan Rivera I never blamed Routh. Being miscast has nothing to do with the actor. If you know about the industry, someone is hired to cast and the one for this film screwed up plenty. Routh will be a great actor, but he is un-seasoned, besides being to slim for the part. I like him on The Flash as The Atom (the vAtom I know can get a lot smaller if need be, so lets keep our eyes open). Got it? Ok.
Another reason I think blaming Brandon Routh is wrong is also because when he returned as Superman in crisis on infinite earths, he was great in the role and had a much better suit, so that proves that he can be a good superman if he has a decent script, and also him being older helps too because I do admit, when I saw superman returns, I thought Brandon Routh was too young for the role but when I saw him in crisis, I thought he looked the right age for the role because he was.
This is another case of a filmmaker changing things or deleting things and having it backfire. Routh did just fine. I totally agree with you on the dialogue being bland and Kate Bosworth being terrible.
90% of the time I am disappointed in movie reviews and then proceed to troll.. but this critique is just spot on excellence. Thank you sir for this. This review should be the standard by which reviews are done.
"There's no fighting! Superman doesn't even throw a single punch!"
Yeah, that's _Superman: The Movie,_ too.
Yeah, but that movie came out in 1976 and just to see superman fly was pretty amazing for the time.
@@blake112x So what? My comment still stands.
Totally agree. I've always felt Parker Posey would've made a much better Lois Lane than Kate Bosworth...
New Rule Media Parker Posey is too obnoxious and irritating to be a sympathetic heroine. That said, if she swapped roles with Bosworth in this film, it would surely have been better than what we got.
Absolutely. Lois Lane was a snappy dame; Bosworth had none of that sparkle. Parker would have been perfect. She's much closer to Margot Kidder's wacky, slightly awkward sexiness.
@@burntvirtue if you watched any Christopher Guest movie you would see that Parker Posey can play any role, anytime
bosworth was the proto-plank
Kate Bosworth is terrible in everything she's in
Bryan Singer has some balls to put any blame on Brandon Routh. While I have to say that I did not like Routh in this movie (though he has been splendid in other films), I agree with Mr. Harper that much of the blame lies with the script. However, I believe that some of the blame lies with Mr. Singer as well, who wanted Routh to channel Reeves version of the character which Routh does well. A better approach would have been to allow Routh to use Reeves take as a jumping off point and allow for some more development, especially in portraying Clark Kent.
Singer loves little boys also he’s protected.
The Superman Returns bashing started on opening night, when myself and all my friends saw it and we're bored to tears.
Bryan Singer may be the most boring director in Hollywood, and while he may be a fan of Richard Donner's films, he can't recapture their magic.
The climax of the film was the opening credits, then it was all downhill from there.
This film seemed to go against everything Clark learned by the end of Superman 2 - He has to be selfless and cannot put his own personal needs against those of Earth and its people. Yet in Returns he abandons Earth to pursue a selfish goal. More so, he seems surprised that Lois has moved on. Did he think she'd wait for him? What an egotistical dick!
Common, he kinda could. I mean Lois Lane wasnt interested in him as Clark anyway... so he thought he could do that. maybe he didnt understand how many years that should pass on earth. So didnt really think that through.
Yeah I really don’t think that Mr. Singer took that previously established story arc into account when he made this film.
It's disappointing that the return to krypton deleted scene is not on the standard blu ray
I'm very glad that you acknowledge soundtracks... it's something that I think is too often overlooked in reviews.
Just don't get me started on the damn video game for this one. Broke my heart, that one.
I do have a little problem with the soundtracks track to Superman Returns though. And it ment to be John williams in sense, but with no jazzy chords. Sometimes some chords in the scores end up flat because they misses the coloring that John Williams used in the music. But its up to date one of the better tries from any composer to write music for a Superman movie. John Williams is still the best.
John Ottman's score for this film seems to sound like parts of his score for X2 and Days of Future Past.
Despite all the problems, the music to this movie was truely epic. They built on the original score and added a lot more to it than I felt Hans Zimmer did with Man of Steel.
It us an underrated masterpiece
- saving the airplane and the outcome in the stadium
- saving rhe Yatch...
- lifting rhe island
It is pure epicness...
I have such mixed emotions about this movie. On the one hand I admire what Singer was trying to do and the spirit in which it was carried out, but the storyline drags, the lack of a physical adversary for Superman to overcome dulls the otherwise good action, and the reason for Superman leaving just doesn't work. They could have come up with any number of better reasons for him to have disappeared. And once again, the lack of any fight scene just doesn't work. Luthor couldn't have made some weapons to go along with the useless island? I'm not asking for Supes to level a city just to get a fight scene but something more exciting than lifting progressively heavier things would have been nice. The one thing I'll always love about this film, however, is the gorgeous cinematography.
That looks like it was shot in the dark and dried with piss of any being.
And with this opinion, you are leveling the first Superman movie to the same level of this one... It also doesn't have a single punch and yet everyone says it is the best movie. How can I understand the critics?
Parker Posey should have played Lois Lane and Kate Bosworth should have played Luthor's henchwoman, (which could've been Ms. Tesmacher, who I think Bosworth strongly resembles, and not the random "Kitty Kowalski" character). It would have been perfect casting if those roles had been switched.
Kate did not fit the role of Lois her Lois Lane came off as a total bitch especially when her son tells Clark that she never mentions him after Clark remarks that he was a friend of his mom's. And Clark looked hurt by it she immediately jumps into a relationship the moment she finds out she's pregnant. I can see why she did it she didn't want people getting suspicious considering everyone knows she has the hots for the man of steel. If people knew she had Superman's kid she would never be left alone she would have to go into hiding.
My thoughts exactly
Definitely agree. But also the character would’ve needed a rewrite to make her less condescending and selfish as she’s depicted in the film.
She could have played Lex's niece(nasthalthia) Nasty Luthor.
Bryan Singer still feels Superman Returns was made for a female audience. He still shifts the blame onto others. www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JoshWildingNewsAndReviews/news/?a=93794
Charles Jannuzi Superman Returns certainly made more money at the box office than BB. But the cost of the film and paying the Brando estate to use his likeness reduced its profit margins. So in the end Batman Begins was more profitable.
Charles Jannuzi
I'm going to step back and try to answer your original post question: "What blame does he have to accept?" I think the fact that he feels the need is the point. Regardless of whether or not anybody really needs to blame him, he still apparently finds it necessary to pass it. Generally speaking, SR got good word of mouth but it also got bad; mostlly from people who focused more on the lack of anything new or original. Also, in using the example of comparison, Batman Begins has stood the test of time; many analysts of blockbusters and comic films consider it the best genre movie to this day. I don't see many fans considering SR in the same light. I'm not saying SR is not a good film, but it didn't really "wow" audiences in the way it appears Singer had hoped it would, or that other films such as the Nolan franchise wound up doing.
All films get bad reviews, and most get at least some good ones. I don't think that's what set Singer off. I think people who really like the mythos of Superman probably found more to enjoy in that film than others, and Singer probably "spoke to them" more directly, if that makes any sense.
SR and MoS are actually really alike in one way. Many were initially impressed with the film but on repeat viewings discovered there were things they really didn't like. That's a credit to Singer and Snyder, IMO, for being able to direct competently enough that the details get lost. Not sure how they do it. In any regard, I wish you many years of enjoyment with repeat viewings of SR and hope you get future Superman films that meet your expectations.
Charles Jannuzi The reviews were hardly good; in fact most reviewers mocked it. Singer was miscast, the directing sucked and the story line was a joke. Wasn't there one thing in the movie that was actually good? Kevin Spacey was wonderful.
Jeffrey Marx That's interesting. At the time all the reviews I read gave it 4 or 5 stars out of 5. I saw the movie and couldn't see what was so special about it. One of the annoying things about the movie is Bryan Singer's snobbish fanboy approach to the Superman films. He wanted Returns to follow the Christopher Reeves movies but ignore the events of 3 and 4 because he knows people enjoy 1 and 2 the best. For someone who was all for continuity regardless of how much he didn't like the later sequels he should have fit them within Returns continuity. Picking and choosing want you want to remake or sequel rather than embracing what's been done before shows a lack of integrity as a supposed fan of the Chris Reeves movies.
I shot all the behind the scenes scoring sessions footage you used in this video. I've been watching a lot of your retrospectives lately, which are fantastic btw, and it was a trip to see something I shot waaaay back in 2006 included in one of your videos. Standing in the middle of the once famous- now dismantled Todd AO scoring stage and hearing the Hollywood orchestra play the Superman theme is definitely one of the greatest experiences of my life.
That's ironic for Brian Singer. His X-men movies not much based on the source material but he made a good job and even influenced comic books but his Superman movie much closer the comic books but not really made well. I think his mistake is he played too safe in Superman , in X-men he made so many bold decisions.
The guy is still best X-men director, he knows how to make a good X-men film and I'm happy for his return.
Great retrospective by the way, I checked other videos (especially comic book related) and they are really good, your knowledge impressed me. You won a subscriber :D.
the two things i loved about this movie was 1 - Brandon Routh looked like reeves who is the onlly true superman and 2 - it had the first movie theme and opening credit
Yeah man. Differences of opinion make life fun. :)
Last night I got to watching your reviews like popping candies - just one after the next after the next for a couple of hours.
I personally think the film was photographed well on set but something has happened during the grading stage and someone has made an error creatively and made the image look very unappealing. I was working as a projectionist when it came out and the 35mm prints looked weak. Superman Returns is probably the weakest looking movie to be filmed on the Panavision Genesis camera.
I liked Brandon Routh in the film and, with the unfortunate exception of Kate Bosworth, I thought the cast was pretty great. The plane sequence is incredible.
What I love about returns was the music, plane scene, and Brandon's Superman probably.
I do like _Returns_ for being a tribute to the Richard Donner original, but I just find its focusing on a love triangle aspect to be questionable. I can understand Singer might've done it to show that Superman is just as flawed as us humans, but the love triangle doesn't seem like the right thing to focus a _Superman_ film on. It also should've been more action-packed, maybe even use Brainiac as its villain.
The packages you edit for the beginning/end of your reviews make every film look incredible (even when they're not) - especially Batman and Robin. Holy Cow.
Honestly this movie just bored me to tears. I GET that it is a sequel to the Richard Donner Superman films but, that doesn't necessarily mean it's entertaining. Superman/Clark feels like he doesn't have enough dialogue in the film giving him very little character.
Yes I will be that guy that complains about the action. For all the faults Man of Steel had it did do something right, the action. I want to see Superman FIGHT something. Superman has a vast rogues gallery yet these movies never used any of them even Man of Steel. Darkseid, Toyman, The Parasite, Doomsday, Metallo..come on guys. There are more villains out there than Lex Luthor and General Zod.
Jarrecko During the scene where Superman and Lois meet on the Daily Planet rooftop and night I actually almost went to sleep. The thing is that's never happened to me when I've watched a movie before. It's quite an accomplishment.
Jarrecko well it's debatable whether darkseid is a superman villain at all. But the fact is most superman villains aren't established as huge threats on his level. Luthor and Brainiac are about the only ones(and brainiac is just luthor as an alien).
Atomic skull, metallo, ect their mostly known for muscle. Parasite is not a mastermind. Even new ones like manchester black and silver banshee are not big. In the early comics, superman mostly handled random events much more often than fighting a villain.
Since the reboot, he.... still does, and there was a bunch of new ones. Maxima became a good guy and was never considered at his level or had a plan. Cyborg superman is just...stupid. No matter what they do with that character, his villain name is either henry henkshaw or cyborg superman.. Doomsday is just mindless and thats the incarnation that's known.
Really, It's only Luthor, Brainiac, and a kryptonian that's usually Zod. Superman does not have great villains. In fact the big ones really don't except for flash and batman. No body remembers most wonder woman villains and she has like thre decent ones, who are kinda redundant(they're all scientist, and one doesn't even use science). Martian manhunters has one. Green arrows are all underpowered unless their green lantern like.. ect.
In general good villains are hard to come by
D. San I mean green lantern, not arrow.
Dialogue isn't always nessecary to give off character. Second i loved the action in Man of Steel at first but then you reach the half way point- 3rd act and realized their just destroying things stupidly and its turned into a Micheal Bay film. Not to mention the depth of character i couldn't feel from Henry. I never thought Superman Returns was perfect however after watching man of steel i began to see why it was so underappreciated.
@@DSan-kl2yc All of Superman's best stories feature obstacles he can't overcome purely through muscle. Peace on Earth is a great example.
I'll never understand why that bit with superman in the ship flying around was cut out.
a very good genius retrospect view actually you made me agree on many issues that i hadnt thought about, maybe you could retrospect on why the universe began, id really love to hear that and much respect to you again , i really enjoyed that one. all the best for the future.
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Superman Returns, with Brandon Routh was a great ending to the era of Christopher Reeve's legacy. The movie made everyone believe in Christopher Reeve as his was during his prime !
I absolutely loved it in theaters and on Blu-Ray. You make great points that I never thought of, so I may understand better why some didn’t like it. I have always been a story guy more than action, so maybe that’s why I didn’t mind less fighting. Great video!
I really like Superman Returns. It came along in my life when i was really happy. I recently rewatched it and still enjoy it.
I don't care what anyone says I loved this movie and probably watched it twenty times at the theater. Absolutely fell in love with Brandon.
I may not like it as much as you do, but I still like this movie a lot!!!
Lois Lane is never been my favorite character I've always thought of her selfish, but Superman Returns I can't stand her. I do miss the Superman theme makes you want to Puff your chest out
I saw this in the theater back in 2006. I was thoroughly unimpressed. The story arc of Superman having a son was just stupid and pointless. I've never given this movie a second viewing nor do I plan to.
BTW, I love your channel, Oliver. Its refreshing to see honest, sober movie reviews without all the gimmickry.
I'm with you, as a whole I only saw the movie once...but for some reason, I can't get over the plane scene, the plane scene was excellent...if the movie kept that momentum it would have been a classic.
The song at the end is a mix of two songs from the album correct?. Well done it works so well with the edit. So happy i found your channel. Amazing retrospecs
By no means does this live up to the first two Superman movies, however, this movie is seriously underrated.
Lois Lane, shame on you for writing that article because of your selfish romantic attachment. On second thought, that's not Lois Lane. Margot Kidder is Lois Lane.
Connor Brennan Teri Hatcher was also amazing.
Kidder was crap from day one. God knows why she was cast.
@@marcelo78 Only Two Lois Lane out there... Margot and Teri....
And she played Lois as a simply horrible human being. You wonder what he ever saw in her.
The Fonz Not sure if your serious or if your just trolling. Bosworth was the worst.
Problem with this film, It was too long! after the rescue at sea, The film seem to drag on... Some poor casting choices and plot choices, But there is so many good plus points with the film... And the poor choice for the superman costume, The darker colours reminded me of the bad superman costume in the third film
With bad casting, terrible directing and a script laced with pot holes, what "good plus points" are there (OK, Ken Spacey was awesome, but everything around him was dried shrubs ready to ignite)?
I unapologetically love this movie. Reeves superman movies were my childhood and the fact that at least to me he captured alot of the feeling of those films was amazing to me. I even remember tearing up several times.
I'm not naive to its flaws but I think for what he set out to do he came through.
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I appreciate that Bryan Singer didn't take the revisionist approach like Snyder did and make a dark, gritty, angst-ridden film that is more typical today. But that doesn't mean it works. Even 20 years after Reeves last work, Routh suffers from comparison. (And I'm not so certain that the fact he resembles Reeves a little bit doesn't actually hurt the situation rather than help it.) Plus, he comes across less mature than I think I like for the character, especially given that some years have passed. Spacey gives the role energy, but he seems awfully angry and not terribly fun. Spacey and Singer were wrong not to make his villainy a bit more tongue-in-cheek. Yes, Bosworth is awful, both casting and performance. And the whole "Why the World Doesn't Need Superman" Pulitzer editorial not only seems totally contrived as a plot device, but it's put out there like a thing and then just ignored. A few quotes here and there would have been helpful. As it is, we here about this significant "thing", but it has little to no impact on the stories or characters. John Williams' music is, of course, a classic, and I appreciate the effort here to use it. The opening credits really brought me hope, but its use in this film just comes across more like a desperate effort to save a lessor project. I love Parker Posey as an actress, but she's wasted here, just more angry than Lex and very two-dimensional. The suggestion has been made that she would have been a better Lois than Kate Bosworth. And while that is very likely, she's still not the right person for this film.
Basically, while the supporting cast was fine if uninspiring, I didn't believe any of the major characters, and the story is uninteresting. The plane rescue is very well executed, but still doesn't stand up to Reeve's 40-year old Lois Lane helicopter rescue in the original, a scene that had my 5-year old daughter leaping in excitement and laughter when Lois exlaims: "You've got me? Who's got you?!"
Ultimately, there's just no magic in the film. And that would be more forgivable if it were not a $200 million film featuring such a beloved character. Marvel figured out years ago that, above all, comic book movies should be FUN. They tried to put a fantastical character in a modern, realistic world. The two don't mix. Our world today is not "fun", and Superman does not fit within it. Unfortunately, despite whatever strengths it may have, Superman Returns just isn't a fun movie.
I still love this movie.... ! best
The plane sequence is awesome, the part when Lois catches superman out of the corner of her eye, I thought this made the whole movie, and when he walks in the plane and says are you ok, because it is so obvious (to some) that Lois absolutely needs superman (his love and desire) but masks it in repulsion.
There are many subtleties in this movie that not may "boys" will pick up on and they will feel ripped off.
Bryan Singer in 2011 he did take responsibility for Superman Return's failure. He said more action should've been in the film. He keeps coming up with different excuses all the time. Also I think its the only film of his where he didn't provide a commentary for the DVD release.
Man of steel made me love this movie. At least it tried.
Man of Steel made me believe Superman Returned. Of course not Richard Donnerverse but a brand new one. I equate the Christopher Reeve/Brandon Routh Superman films, 1978-2006, to be the Silver/Bronze Age version of Superman.
Man of Steel is the more Current Age Superman which takes its sources from All-Star Superman, Superman: Birthright, Superman: Origins, etc.
I prefer Man of Steel over Superman Returns since it's a whole reboot and finally get to see Superman use his powers of punchy time the same way he does in Superman: TAS.
Man of Steel is nothing like All-Star Superman. All Star is much more based on the Silver and Bronze Age goofy nonsense than the Modern stuff.
For me Superman was rebirth with Superaman Returns, and they he died again. MoS and SvB was such bad movies. DOnt like a dark superman like that. Sure Justice Leage did make Superman better, but its not like he is reborn yet. If that should happen. John Williams music must come back, and he has to wear his red shorts again. lol
Pre-Crisis Superman will always be my favorite.
I don't think people REALLY understand that ‘Superman Returns’ (2006) was a direct sequel to ‘Superman 2.’ That's why Luthor knows where the Fortress of Solitude is and how Superman knocked up Lois.
Most people I hear say that they just didn’t really like how Brandon Routh portrayed Superman, but Brandon Routh captured the spirit of Chris Reeves perfectly. He looks just like him at that age (Reeves was also in his late 20s during the filming of the first 2 movies) and totally sold me on this being the same boy scout/awkward dork character from those films.
I agree Kate Bosworth was miscast being too young to play Lois (she was 23, while Margot Kidder was older than Reeves during the earlier movies), but as far as acting goes she, much like Routh, captured old Lois very well.
Luthor seducing a rich old lady to get him out of jail and inherit her money sounds like something he'd do in the past movies. It's absurd comedy! A staple of the old films.
And most people complain that the ending was quick and convenient when that was the case with the earlier films as well (time reversal, anyone?).
Overall, I love this movie and it gets more shit than it deserves.
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This actually really felt great up until the end of the film. It really did have a classic feeling.
I don't think the film is completely shit, but I just found it incredibly boring. Like Jesus it was so boring and dull. And it doesn't help that the opening of the film and Lex's plot was so confusing, it failed to grip me from the start.
Also, you think Dead Man's chest was boring? It's my favourite one.
+Kieran Holmes There should never have been any sequels to PoC. The first movie was excellent and they should simply have left it at that and not try to milk more money out of it by creating a franchise.
+Quotenwagnerianer Always the way: first film gets massive success and the film company in question absolutely insists on sequels simply because they are pretty much guaranteed success just because of the name!
Lex idea was to get land again. Instead of removing land on west coast of usa, he will add land on east coast. Overall, a boring plot where superman falls prey to kryptonite again. Hey didnt we see all those plot points in the first movie? Yes we did.
Now I can't stop thinking about Parker Posey as Lois Lane. She would be an outstanding Lois just not in this Superman movie.
same
+Oliver Harper, I did look online to try to find the Superman Returns DVD or BluRay containing the deleted "Return to Krypton"
Apparently it's only available on the Superman Anthology. I didn't think to look there first.
This was my first superman movie I remember i went with my dad my uncle my cuson i was so fucking excited before that all i had seen were the 1940s superman cartoons i used to see the tv spots i got so fucking pumped to see it i was maby 5 i thought this is going to be the coolest movie ever i was extremely satisfying i liked the movie in my opinion the last good dc movie
I personally love returns. It's my favourite Chris reeve superman film.. Even tho he doesn't star in it. It's a perfect conclusion to the superman original films, excluding 3 and 4 cos they don't exist. Man of Steel is still my favourite superman film
Kevin Spacey Loved Brandon Routh's tights
yikes
Brandon Routh got the part via Brian Singer's casting couch
love this movie, don't care what anyone says, man of steel has some good parts but this is still a better movie
Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that this was Singer's love letter to Donner's Superman. The problem was, he had X-Men style visuals on the brain, hence all the muted, darker tones, as the early X-Men films he directed were also darker and muted (all dark leather suits, etc), so when we see Superman's new suit in many shots, the color tones are dialed way down ... presumably to avoid the critical concept that the original "long underwear" suit "looks so fake" there was this theme during all new Superhero movies (that somewhat extends to this day" that copying the comic character's original bright colors and schemes is just "too unrealistic" to be filmed...
This film is dull, repetitive of previous films, does not add anything to the mythos, and does not expand on Superman's story
LAWRENCE WHITEHURST Just "dull"? It was a labor of self destruction from beginning to end. Labeling it "dull" was much too kind; it just plain sucked.
I liked this one more than MOS.
NOT YOU MOS is the best Superman film made you smokin rocks
@NOT YOU just out of curiosity did your gf like it?
Killmonger 26 Superman is better
I LOVED this movie. I remember watching it in the theater THRILLED to see they kept the original crawlers. This movie is SO unrated!
Most important is seeing Routh's look of heartbreak of returning to Earth and realizing the World has moved on and him trying to refind his place in it.
The reason that SUPERMAN RETURNS failed is because it was downright depressing. The original Donner film was an inspiring, hopeful and fun popcorn flick (like many Marvel films). It gave a tremendous origin story and, like the trailer said, makes you "believe that a man can fly." It was about showing the world through the eyes of, well, the world, Superman, his family and those close to him. However, SUPERMAN RETURNS was too philosophical for its own good -- and it presented an alt-reality that was almost dystopian in nature.
MAN OF STEEL was far from perfect. In some ways, it repeated a few of the mistakes of SUPERMAN RETURNS in its tone and depressing focus. BATMAN V. SUPERMAN was even worse.
I'd like to see a SUPERMAN/MAN OF STEEL film that borrows from what made the original Donner film so great. It doesn't have to be quite so campy -- but it can have plenty of comic relief, great story pacing, great acting and, more importantly, hope. Most of all, it needs to convince us that this is REAL and happening in THIS planet (and not some alternate, dark dystopian reality).
So Singer left his chance to conclude his first two excellent XMen films to make a super lame Superman film. Good job Singer!
brandon did a terrific job as kal or superman aka clark kent. it was the aweful story that ruined the movie. there should have been a super villain brainiac who is freed from the phantom zone by lex during his visit to the fortress. then it would have been better instead of repeating the same real state thing. superman returns right in time to save the world from brainiac who was once created and sentenced by jor-el freed from the phantom zone. theen this movie would have rocked and the new supermania had started perhaps. may b by now we would have gotten our second justice league movie
Link sorted mate!. sorry about that. RUclips cutting off links when copying and pasting.
Richard Donner was the only director to really get this character to tick onscreen.
I legit love this film, more so than Man of Steel etc.
Me too. I got the DVD when it came out and still actually rewatch it every once and a while.
Superman Returns is a better movie In Man of Steel Superman does more damage than good.
Facts
Great review as always. There is a lot to love about this film, and I have fond memories of the style and look and especially Brandon as Clark Kent. However, the movie is basically two films; a good one and a bad one. Sure Lois was miscast and the colors were off, but the real issues came in two fold.
One: As you mentioned, Superman having a son is the worst possible plot they could have ever come up with. It's legendarily impossible in the source material, and serves only for them to either write themselves into a corner... or somehow create superboy in the sequel. Bad bad decision making.
Two: But just as bad was the completely ill-conceived choice to remake the laughably absurd real estate plot of the original movie... to even Worse effect here.
In Superman The Movie, his goal is simple: money. He bombs California, buys up the new coastline, step 4 profit!
In Superman Returns, Luthor bizarrely yet confidently claims the new continent he creates will have "superior technology" and that if he waits there playing cards with Kumar and his minions, the all the Governments of the world will...what...bow down and pay him monies to use it? It baffles the mind that this was agreed upon by the studio, writers and executives as a plausible plot device.
That's not even mentioning Superman somehow lifting an island out of the ocean MADE OF the one substance in the universe that kills him. An amulet of Kryptonite around his neck = drowns from weakness. A continent of Kryptonite = "I got this".
Thanks for the detailed review. You make some very good points here. As a Superman fan it's hard to hate any Superman movie but there is so much about this movie that frustrates me.
will forever remain the best Superman film ever made
Superman movie grades
Superman 10/10
Superman II 8/10
Superman III 4/10
Superman IV 1/10
Superman Returns 5/10
Man of Steel 5/10
Final Superman films verdict:
Superman: 9/10
Superman 2: 8/10
Superman 3: 4/10
Superman 4 Quest for peace: 2/10
Superman 2 Richard Donner Cut: 7/10
Man of Steel: 6/10
Superman movie grades
Superman: The Movie (1978)8.5/10
Superman II (1980) 8/10
Superman III (1983) 4/10
Superman IV: The Quest for Peace (1987) 1/10
Superman Returns (2006) 6/10
Man of Steel (2013) 9/10
Superman 2 was slightly better than Superman 1. Less story but better action and Zod and his crew were more of a menacing foe for Soup.
While they were considering various directions for the film, they should've given serious thought to killing off superman in order to make brandon routh fit. Now before you all blow a gasket at such a crazy notion, please allow me to elaborate...
Firstly, the fact Singer set the movie 5 years after the events of Superman II tells us he's using Superman I and II as established back story, and carrying on with the story from there. Now... this immediately throws up what IMO is a Biblically huge brick wall of a problem... and that's replacing Christopher Reeve. I'm sorry but it can't be done. Anymore than you could replace Michael Jackson in the Jackson 5. Some things just can't be done. I know I'm right when I say this because it's clearly something the studio figured out fairly quickly from the train wreck that was Superman Returns. By the time Man of Steel rolled around, they understood that in order to ever move this franchise forward, it would have to be completely and utterly dismantled and started over again from scratch.
That said, I believe if Singer really wanted to preserve and work within that original [Donner] timeline, then why not consider setting the movie in 2006 where it belonged instead of telling us Superman fucked off to have tea with Buddha for five years on a planet that had long been established as gone. THEN... open the movie with the death of Superman (ie Reeve) even using Chris himself if they'd thought to do it early enough so we SEE the gaunt dying reeve on screen, grievously ill from some unknown freak radiation or whatever- doesn't matter-- point is... before he dies, he must reveal himself to his blissfully unaware SON (Brandon Routh) in a movie that would LITERALLY SHOW... the son becomes the father, the father becomes the son. Then following his father's death, and while the world mourns his loss, HE must embark on a journey to find out who he is, and grow into what he's destined to become.... they could've had so much fun with this, not least because Routh would've been half human and probably that much more vulnerable than his father Superman. but by whatever means, the movie would end with Brandon Routh finally inheriting his Father's cape... and then que sequels II, III and IV, and all with an actor who the world would have absolutely and unequivocally accepted as Superman/Reeve's son.
Anyway, sorry if I offended anyone, they're just my thoughts. Although it's interesting to note that by totally starting over with Man of Steel, they finally seem to have got themselves an actor who, for the most part, has escaped the cursed comparison to Reeve that every single other actor who's tried since has. Shame they fucked up Superman Returns before the eventually woke up to this.
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Superman Returns is the reason I'm a bigger fan of Man of Steel. Regardless of the polarized opinions at least it was trying something new with the franchise. Both this film and Smallville were fine but they were constant love letters to the original movie - which while great is very cheesy now. Man of Steel just went for it: new suit design; new Krypton; new music; new style; more action. It was new and quite refreshing to see a new take on the material.
Rowan J Coleman Agreed. Even though I liked SR, Man of Steel, on the other hand was a MUCH better movie.
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*Man of Steel just went for it: new suit design; new Krypton; new music; new style; more action*
And it was shit.
***** In your opinion
Rowan J Coleman but man of steel is just a bad version of smallvile condensed. So that's not a fair thing to say.
+Rowan J Coleman I like Returns but Man of Steel is much better.
I saw this in the theater and remember being very underwhelmed. Brandon Routh may have looked like Christopher Reeve, but didn't have an iota of his screen presence or charisma, and just seemed like a stiff to me. Kate Bosworth was, as you put it, just terrible casting, and the film lacked spectacle. Overall, I found Superman Returns very dull.
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I think people were too hard on this film. I was 6 years old when I saw this in theaters and fell in love with it. I had already been a lil superman fan due to loving the animated shows and super freinds.
The soundtrack is so emotional. While I love the music in the other pictures this is just so romantic, sad and beautiful. Superman is friendly and not nearly as dower as people claim. He is shown in this film while in public having quips to say after saving the plane for example. On the inside he is an alien and is not "one of them" and I think thats intresting and relatable.
The relationship between father's and sons is also well pronounced like the donner films. People would love this film had it come out now, but back in like 2008 (when people started bashing this film) people just were really hungry for gritty action films.
I also appreciate the art deco Daily Planet, and reminds me of the 1940s cartoon.
I do agree with your complaints about the color grading and the design of the suit. There should have been a larger "S" and brighter colors.
I really enjoyed the actor doing Supes, but there was no chemistry between him & the Lois Actress. And having her character shack up with another guy with Supes' son is just disturbing.
Singer and Spacey on the same set...yikes
Why Spacey got cleared
you seemed to like it less in the Geekvolution podcast ?
I think you're right!. Me and Logan got pretty annoyed with the film lol. I still stand by what I said in the review though.
That ending to your video is better and more exciting than the movie itself.
I loved Routh in this. It's a shame we don't see him in more movies. He was also great in Scott Pilgrim vs the World. His scene was the best.
I'll take Returns over the new Superman films any day.
Jeahav Valentin man of Steel was boring. No heart
I find Superman Returns more watchable than Man of Steel which was just a quick cut, shaky cam zoom, CGI transformers style mess!!
Rather would watch something quick than slow honestly.
would rather watch Man of Steel at least I cared about what was going on and wasn't bored to tears by a poor man's Donner Superman film remake
Billy Barnett And that right there is the problem with most of the people in the world today.
Carl Wilson Man I would never compare MOS to a Transformers movie in any way shape or form!
Adam W Why not? They're both dark, ugly, festivals of computer generated disaster porn that fundamentally misunderstand their respective source material.
I always enjoyed this film more-or-less, but I've definitely found myself appreciating it more and more as I get a little older and revisit it every so often. It's grown on me immensely. Yes, its pacing can be punishing, a few of the actors are miscast and it's lacking in action until the final act, which are big issues... but I felt it was a good modernized follow-up to the original film series with a lot of heart and soul behind it. It felt like a film that was being made by real artists that were passionate about the project, character and the prior adaptations. It's almost more of a rumination on the concept and impact of Superman in the past and present than a straight-up Superman film.
As for comparing it to "Man of Steel"... Honestly, I feel so completely apathetic towards that film, that I'd take "Returns" any day of the week. For all of MoS's visual splendor and impressive action sequences, the film's complete and utter lack of subtlety and the near-complete absence of both character and plot development make me feel cold and disconnected whenever I try to watch it. There are elements to enjoy on a surface level, sure... but that doesn't matter when I don't give a damn about anything that's happening.
"Man of Steel" is the sort-of film I'd have loved when I was 13 or 14... all action and visuals. "Superman Returns" is the film I enjoy far more as I quickly approach 30 and am growing out of a lot of the shallower things I enjoyed in my teens and early 20's and learning to slow down and admire details, intention and subtlety a lot more.
As someone else said below, though... if they could take the visual extravagance of "Man of Steel" and the more thoughtful handling of plot and character from "Superman Returns" and combine them... you'd have the ultimate modern Superman movie.
Metropolis is Sydney. Very funny during filming seeing Yellow Cabs, driving on the wrong side of the road. I worked on the film with Law Enforcement/Crowd Control/City Closures. Ian Roberts introduced me to Routh, very nice guy
Definitely better than Man of Steel!
That had more action and was clear it was a reboot
Man of Steel had senseless destruction in place of action and Returns never wanted to be a reboot.
Brenn Tantor "Man of Steel had senseless destruction" - So... like most Superman comics and cartoons then.
You realise Man of Steel is a direct adaptation of Superman: Earth One, right?
I disagree with you Oliver. I felt this film was much better than Man of Steel. Kal El making the mistake of leaving may be out of character but at least it gave him some character. Kal El is often seen as too perfect. Leaving earth and missing the birth of his son grounded him making him feel more like a real person.
I don't discuss Man of Steel in this review or make any comparison to it.
+Oliver Harper You called the film depressing and it failed. I disagree and felt it was better then Man of Steel. But that is what I love about discussing movies with those who understand film. Everything is subjective and one man's great film is another's pile of trash. As you say in this retrospective "People's taste changes all the time." - Oliver Harper. I feel this is very true and thank you to responding to my comment. I am very much a fan of your work and I am about to watch your Alien3 retrospective and I look forward to your opinions regarding the film.
It's clear in Superman Returns that Bryan Singer actually gives a damn about keeping true to what the character is about, regardless of the mistakes he made. Also, Kevin Spacey pulled off a better performance as Lex Luthor than Michael Shannon as General Zod.
Well, Spacey was very serious as a super-villain, and I like that, but Hackman's Luthor was more fun to watch and he had more charisma. So, I guess Hackman.
Eisenberg was my least favorite. Too nerdy, no motivation, other than getting a kick out of seeing Batman and Superman fight, just didn't understand what he wanted most of the time.
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Pirates of the Caribbean dead mans chest is not dull. It is a good and smart story.
Say what you like about Cavill's Superman (and people do) but at least it wasn't dull and 'lackluster' as Oliver said. How to make a boring Superman film! Bryan Singer should've given it a pass and finished his X Men trilogy.
Why? His X-Men movies are just as boring and shit as his Superman movie. He just needs to be kept away from all of the popular superheroes.
X 2 and DOFP are fantastic
This movie is a complete mess and you're wrong on fans loving it at first. It was a disappointment from the start. I don't remember the fan reception ever being anything more than negative to mixed. Superman feels oddly shuffled to the back of his own his film, Bosworth is incredibly unlikable as Lois and has zero charm or energy. Routh and Bosworth have no chemistry what so ever. Spacey himself would have made a great Lex if his plot wasn't a total retread.
The film has a really odd tone. At times it's genuinely exciting and purely fun (airplane scene, parts of the finale), and others it's so incredibly dry and bland and dour and lacks any sort of energy. It plods along kicking it's feet aimlessly feeling sorry for itself. People call MOS too dark, but imo it's much more energetic and hopeful than Returns. Returns is oddly depressing even when it's trying to be uplifting.
The nostalgic continuation of the Donnerverse is a blessing and a curse. At times I love that it went that route, but it also stops the film from being it's own thing. Singer was so obsessed with recreating the Donner tone he forgot to a film with it's own identity. And when you start to think about the mechanics of the Superman has a son plot for Returns and compare it to the first two films it REALLY falls apart and makes NO sense. The film is supposed to act like a sequel to the first two, but it never goes all the way to commit to being one. It's confused about it's own identity.
If you watch the making of and stuff Singer has a clear passion for the film. He really wanted to make it. It's so odd how a film with so much passion behind came out feeling largely cold and bland.
There are a few shining moments of cool in this film. The airplane rescue, Spacey as Lex (even though he's too bogged down by repetitive characterization) Superman doing various heroics in Metropolis, the Superman and Lex confrontation....but the movie is such an incredibly odd mix of tonal confusion and idea's it never gets off the ground.
Best Superman film. Saving the plane with realism involved, was just epic.
I hated how they made superman a deadbeat dad. The kid was unneeded. Needed a different villain too. Brandon rocked it and it was nice to see him back in the role on tv in crisis.
I liked the film, one of the best superhero movies I think. Havn't seen the old ones but I have seen Man of Steel which is bloody awful and probably the worst superhero movie I've ever seen :O
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This movie is horrible! If it was so good why did they reboot it.
Agreed with everything said in this review. One thing to add was to add a major villain like Brainiac to challenge Superman as the villain could've followed the hero back to earth. One major mistake in the film, was Superman and Lois having a kid.
This film is just art compared with the latest. And personaly I believe that on its own it should stand proudly.
When I watched this film I wasn't looking for action or otherwise, I was just looking for a good film, and I really think it delievered.
***** transformers looks good compared to MOS