Microsoft had legislation rule against it under monopoly laws, so Gates got around it by buying apple shares & storing Mac computer's in warehouses. One of the tricks you can do if your a huge corporation I guess. It ends up working out cheaper for him.
He has, actually. MS has an operation in the aforementioned city, and another one in the city of Hyderabad. A major chunk of software R and D work happens there.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 Microsoft corporation is private company not government company . They sell their products around the world not only just USA and makes revenue from world. If they wanna hire best employee they should . And MS doesn't only have Indian officers but rest of the world like Dublin Singapore London etc. If you you are obsessed with American job then stop selling service outside of USA.
Americans here complaining and crying that he hire Indian workers so as pay less should check the average income of Indian american with American people... average income of Indian american is 90k dollars while native Americans 50k dollars
Comparing people with double degrees in engineering with general people of America is not fair. American people with degrees expect much higher pay than indians. That is the main reason.
@@laineanger6785 Do not get angry becuz of some stupid comment , Indians earn more because the diaspora in America or Indian America are talented , ambitious,hardworking people of India no wonder they earn more . You can compare Indian American with Average American .Average Indian salary in India suck so bad
... Huh? Are you serious? You do know that he "dropped out" of Harvard in order to CREATE Microsoft, don't you? And that him and Paul Allen created the BASIC compiler in something like a month? I'm not saying he's the smartest person alive, but he's definitely one of them.
If we can't make an Einstein, why not buy him? the U.S needs to recruit and keep higher skilled people of the world who come here for the great education.
I once heard Ted Cruz suggest that an H1B have a min wage of 125K. That sounds like a fair number that would fix a lot of them problems. Bill can get his PHDs.
Absolutely agreed. If there is shortage, then let them make more than the avg. until supply catches. But they make around $70 K. That's something American tech workers can't compete with.
I fully support that. Indian companies have been abusing the system. They're facing 35% visa rejection rates now, which is a good thing. Google and Apple face less than 4%, as they should. This also brings the truly meritorious workers who have skills the locals lack in ,while keeping the mediocre crap out.
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Im From India. And much of my family is in the Bay Area.. And The Kids that are hired from Indian Institutes of Technology that leave for the Bay Area are paid From 120k -250k Right After 4 Years Of Bachelors in Technology.. My Own Cousin got 210k Offer from Google after Graduating from Indian Institute of Technology Another Cousin went to MIT after high School from India... And later after Graduating From MIT he Got a 185k Offfer in a Hardware/GPU Company that i wouldn't name but easy to guess.. An Uncle of mine founded a $400 Million + Market Cap Company in the Bay Area.. Another uncle working in the Bay Area is an executive making $1.9 Million a year and has several patents registered in the U.S One of my Aunt makes close to $500k Other Family Average is about $300k... More than 50 % of PHD's in the U.S Are Foreign Born.. . The USB (in which we store terrabytes of data today ) Was Invented by an Indian.. And that's just one invention i'm telling you.. There's a long long list of inventions by Indians. Hell the Number 0 and the Numerical System we follow today Was Invented by an Indian in 500 B.C :)
The interviewer obviously didn't understand what Gates meant when he said the graduates were forced to leave the country. She thought that the first thing they would do would be to start a company when they went elsewhere, but that doesn't align with what any of Gates was saying. He was talking all about foreign people entering into highly skilled tech jobs after college and not being able to do so in the US. He was getting started on descring how they would all do exactly that but in another country when the interviewer interrupted and sayed that they were going to be starting companies when they left the country. That's not what Gates was implying at all, but she acted as if she were completing his thought. Doubtless, many of them will start companies, but I'm just talking about what Gates was saying at the moment. This misunderstanding shows ineptitude on the interviewer's part.
Damn, after reading a fair comments, I just realised that I may have missed a trick. $ 100k/year starting salary is cheap now? Jeez ...12 years ago, if you got 48k/year, you were on easy street..or maybe that was just me?
Don't engage these dumbasses. Half of them are incapable technical managers and engineers whose skills didn't keep up with the market cause they were lazy. Google and Microsoft does not discriminate on the basis of anything but merit. They want a meritocracy when it comes to underprivileged people until they're the ones lagging behind,. Then, they want protectionism.
Hi@@tenminutetokyo2643 Difference is not that much. Typical software engineer gets around $79,357 per year in India and $103,661 in USA. I am working in industry from 16 years now and I was Solution Architect in my last company (I left for starting my own venture). At my level I will get way more then software engineer. Not only Microsoft, many Indian start-ups are offering better salaries then biggies like Microsoft and Amazon. Considering India is way cheaper, now a days it doesn't makes sense to move to other countries just for money. I myself had refused for H1B which my previous country was offering about 2 years back. Disclaimer is - not everybody gets this kind of salaries in India but average salaries in software industry are significantly more than in 1990's, 2000's. When anybody thinks about India, they need to remember, standards here are changing very-very fast. What seemed to be impossible in 2015 is new normal now a days. Someone can still get cheap programmers, but mostly they will either get inexperienced new folks which will leave them once they will learn enough or they will get dirt as you were looking for dirt.
i think i can tell you what bill is ACTUALLY talking about.... I'm indian... my cousin scored really well in the engineering entrance exam in my country called the IIT-JEE. so he got admission into one of the IITs... after doing his cse (btw my cousin was a really good programmer) he got a job offer from microsoft to work in the USA... and since the job prospects were really good for a b-tech out of college graduate.. he accepted it... NOW THE PROBLEM is that US govt. has put a limit to how many people can come to their country in such a manner(like my cousin) for work purposes for their own reasons... but in reality it restricts big-tech companies like microsoft ,facebook, amazon , apple ...to hire ample amounts of "capable" ,skilled people from around the world which they can't do in the usa itself... bill wants to overcome this problem for the good of his company that's all .
The US govt actually relaxed H1B visas in 1998. Since then it has become a massive pipeline for indentured servants, with a monopoly from India. A whopping 75% of H1Bs are from India. The next highest is 11% from China, despite them being comparable population size, and also within magnitude comparable engineers produced. The Economic Policy Index found that the majority of H1Bs from India are UNDERPAID BY up to 39%. Microsoft is amongst the worst abusers! Furthermore, most of them occupy entry level jobs, which means that this is worker exploitation, NOT acquiring high skilled immigrants. Even furthermore, it heavily decreases the opportunity for new grads, who aren't even considered in applications because big tech goes straight to the pipeline! It is estimated now in a BBC study that undergrads wait up to FIVE YEARS after graduating before landing a spot that actually utilizes their skill level. That's how disastrous this has become.
Ive never been there but as a US citizen born and raised I think India is pretty great, very smart people.. their very rich religious tradition we almost misleadingly call "Hinduism" as if it's one thing, shows that. Heck even Indian philosophy pre-dates (by a little bit) Greek philosophy, and arose on it's own.
Is it our fault that America doesn't have any skilled workers ? If you really want those jobs why don't you study for it and project yourselves as a better contender. They won't need foreign skilled workers if they had some in United States. Stop crying and fight for it, competing with Indian IT professionals is not a walk in the park.
Here's a civilized question to the double standard people of the so called "DEVELOPED COUNTRY", if you guys really feel Indians are taking your jobs away, why don't you study properly and overcome them? Is it because you got too small a mind to for the diving "knowledge"? Well, be smarter than the Indians and they will be unemployed in your country, and at some point will return back to India. One more thing, a guy in the comment section asked, "after retiring, why don't they move back to India". Well, here's your answer mister. They bought the place by their own earnings, they deserve to live there. You don't own the copyright of a huge part of the earth called "America". Everyone can live anywhere if he has the necessities. If you feel the way as to prove yourself better, then become better. Thank you!
Let us compare India to the US. Indians: - Raise their kids in social groups, the kids develop personalities. - Work together towards a common goal...at the least ones that come to the US do, sharing info, helping each other out. - Learn to lie to the point of habit if it gets them ahead - If you get an indian boss, they will kick out or push out the non-indians to let them hire more indians White people in the US: - Raise their kids in a lot of social isolation, everyone lives in different places, doesn't play together, tells them if they go off on their own they'll be kidnapped. Even the government sometimes threatens parents with arrest for letting their kids walk places on their own in public. - Kids are raised in a way as to be constantly moved between social groups and it's difficult to have long term friends. - The lying thing is debatable. Kids are both taught not to lie, and also to lie, it's a bit complicated. - If you get a white boss they are told that firing all the non-whites to bring in white people would be an unacceptable thing to do. My question is - raising with a social atmoshpere that isn't dominating by "child crime hysteria" seems work for the indians, why can't we do it here in the US?
@@ghostbond1074 You're stupid, either accept your incompetence or prove it wrong. Corporates watch for talent but also look for the cost. Here countries like India and China stands out. Getting a job as an Indian/chinese ain't that easy as you think. They work their a** off, the time you guys party around. The problem is that America's education system doesn't make them competent and kids from India and face brutal competition, so they get habituated and become tough nuts, like military triangle. There's a saying among JEE aspirants in India, " If you can't make it to IITs, keep Ivys as a plan B". So Americans need to become competent, they need to prove it.
@@Subhasis44597 You wrote a pointless post. You didn't respond to a single thing I actually wrote. What I was getting at is that I think Americans should be raised in a more social environment or they're going to fall behind. Indians did it and they're doing well, why aren't we doing the same thing?
In asia, parents priority for their kids is a good education. we dont care if we work 24/7 just to make sure our kids gets a higher level education. we dont think about what will going to happen to us since we spent all the money, and we even get a loan that we have to pay for life, and we didnt have anything left for our retirements, which totally different from the west. parents kicked their childrens when reached the age and let them decide whether they will further their studies using a student loan from the govt, and they end up just working in fast foods. we make sure we send them to college, and beat them ass if they refuse to go. our generation we didnt have enough money to go to school and we end up doing odd jobs in our country just to make sure they have a better future (sorry for my bad english 😜)
Would $1 trillion in US student debt have anything to do with the fact that we don't have a large enough pool of qualified candidates to fill STEM jobs? Nice try Bill. How about you use your billions to help improve America's educational system so that we can train our workers to perform those high in demand jobs instead of taking a shortcut and hiring foreigners through H1B visas??
dude none of ur STEM graduate is out of job or is paid less u just dont have enough of them thats where Indians come in and stop complaining u have better ranking institutions than India . Anyways if u block immigration it will be good cause that will mean either of two things 1. The next big software company is going to come from India or China 2. The big software companies which were reluctant to outsource highend R&D will have to start doing it and most probable destination is India. so either ways ur doing us a favour dunno if its helping u.
How would student debt have anything to do with us not having qualified candidates? The people with student debt have presumably finished a uni degree....problem is that they are getting it in gender studies.
IF there is such a shortage of individuals with advance degrees among Americans, why do I having a Master Degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering, am working a jobs of a 2 year Electrical Tech for the past decade. And my is my sister, a holder of a Master Degree in Chemical Engineering working in a book store?
You have ran to the traditional "you are the problem" argument, and it has a fault, it not just that my sister and myself are Master Degrees, but I know of others in the same situation, and we are not even getting call for interviews! If it was us, then wouldn't employees need to be interviewing us to determine that? The simple truth is Mr. Gate is lying, he lied before congress, the is lying now. It is not that there are not American who can work in these fields, it that they don't way to pay Americans, when they can bring in cheaper foreigners to do the job (perhaps nearly as well, and when you consider how successful Microsoft software is at launch you will see what I mean by that) The truth is Mr. Gates need another billion to prove he had the biggest penis, because Zuckerbrug caught up to him in the money game. And our lives and livelihood is none of his concern when the money game in being played!
Move to an area with a lot of job growth or be a badass in EE/CE, if you have at least one open source board developments in something like high speed digital design. Also, don't settle for less. Gain depth in an area. But keep that breadth (Know programing (c++ for low level, python high level, matlab, labview), know something specific to your mastery (ADS)) and apply to those jobs every day, even while you have a job. Its a question of numbers and the right fit. Keep applying man...
TO start with in 1876 a man invented this device called the Telephone, allowing one talk to individuals all over the world. One would think that people with degrees in engineering would understand that one does not need to move before they have a job at a location, thanks to get more then a century old technology! I have sent out resumes, more then 4000 of them in the last decade, with zero responses! And I am fare from the only one that can say such! That is my point, Gates is lying and it is costing a large number of Americans in his quest for more money!
Why Indian people go and work outside india take the citizenship, there one lady in india she’s not respected, indian government is saying she has no right in india. Our Sonia Gandhi
Technically speaking the U.S never had any talents leave aside throwing them. For example the space mission was possible only due German scientists who were captured during WWII.
How about making education affordable again? My wife managed to pay for college by working summers and working part time during school. You can't even live on that with minimum wage, now.
The elites want the American public dumbed down. Smart citizens are a threat to politicians' power. Besides, SIlicon Valley was created by college dropouts.
Aint Canada too... if the future is and was now ... ill even type then because that was the past... but we need to talk our School system and who Education should go too... It should go to everyone... in my opinion.
I read in Wikipedia that 6.6% of USA population has american ancestry. Rest all has mix of people from non-american ancestry. May be this tells us that USA is land of immigrants and everyone together has been making it great from decades. Of course, us (Indians) and Chinese are enormous in population, and not to mention we are extremely adaptive, intelligent, hardworking and ambitious. So we tend to reach every part of the world and grow. There is no point in bringing up racism. That time has gone I believe.
And for those of you who have read the "The Art of War", then you should know that giving away one asset (in this case a PhD student) to an enemy (in this case a competing nation) is worse than losing 2 assets. The USA is literally paying for the education of its competition. It doesn't get more blatant than this.
The USA is not paying for the education of its competition, it earns billions of that from them. Nothing is free. But to turn smart people away is not a good policy.
I would dearly love to work in the US - I am in the IT programming industry but I know that I would never be able to get work there - so i won't even try to bother and I have had enough stress in the last 4 years to last me a lifetime and I wouldn't want anymore with a rejection on that scale!
Indians are extremely talented and clever None want to leave motherland however we will rise above historic influence and prevent braindrain in other countries
What about millions of American's that spent years in school and can't find work to the level of their knowledge? College is mostly another part of an economy based upon debt.
A 9th Grader in India has learnt more Math and Science than a 11th Grader in the U.S But you take all our talent away, and then don't treat them well...
He contradicts himself. So what he's saying is only foreign born students here on visas are talented even though they are attending the same colleges as us Americans? One minute he is complimenting American colleges and the next minute he says that the American Education system isn't producing enough talent. So the foreign born students here on visas are the only ones graduating from these colleges? I can't believe Americans can't see right through this. Bottom line is the graduates here on visas work for a lot less money. Meanwhile the American students continue to attend colleges for these Tech positions believing there is a shortage in the Tech positions while racking up huge amounts of student loan debt and not being able to find employment after graduation. Then people wonder why there is a student loan crisis.
Bottom line It's better for the country but not so much for Americans . The atmosphere now in USA has, No one wont listen you instead you will be labelled as xenophobic
If he said so what he is looking for !! , Then wouldn't we all will only look after that quality we need to go after. Simply that would make all of us same. Then the same cycle goes around. Now we are all same , same education same charisma.
I admire Mr. Bill Gates and his ideas. He is way much better than many Capitalists or businessmen out there who just make workers work, work .... until...! To my limited knowledge & experience, it seems the problem lies in American Capitalism and unfavorable labor and immigration laws. Add to that complicated health insurance system and flavors of discrimination in terms of culture, race, religion, gender, education, language etc. and we get into a system of unescapable political and global web/s , which no one can fix.
schools in America are designed to make money. Americans need to examine what will make themselves the most money at the least cost. I know plenty of people who spent four or five years for an undergraduate degree only to go into professional degree program which did not require 75% of the courses they had taken. making a difference start from inside.
Indians and for that matter other Asians are just looking for better life’s. If US closes its door, Canada is very much ready to lap up to that talent. Companies require talent and they will find ways to get them.. even when it means relocating.
What's so wrong with the life in the countries they're immigrating from? Why do they have to come HERE?!? You don't see Americans immigrating to THEIR countries demanding that their native citizenry cater to their wishes and needs through diversity and inclusion. Nobody is asking for African countries or Asian countries to be diverse and inclusive. It's only just white and christian populated areas. Why can't tech companies and university train American in the fields so they can investing in their own economy, so we won't be subject to global corporate oligarchs that doesn't want America to be a free and soveriegn nation.
Bill Gates's view is skewed towards one sector i.e technology. Immigration is a broad area and it affects all jobs/sectors of the economy. Just like trade, it should be fair for everyone.
He said he offers them 100k year starting salaries? Cheap labor is paying sub-minimum wage to migrant workers, which he was never in the business of, though that apple your eating, was a part of.
Lawrence Morel Today americans deserves as self. Indians are doing work hard and have a talentable skills. Americans havent their qualities ...today america is become top g.d.p country because of Indians ...not a Americans .....see money is note. matter Americans do always criticize Indian peoples ...cheap labours ...and taking like that .....
Bill Gates also donated 1B+ to fund full ride scholarships, so if it was cheap labor he is after, he has a weird way of doing it. Also, Indians like any other visa sponsored labor has to be paid at least the average of others in their field. Theres a website with all visa salaries. I think its hard to get a job as an indian because they have so little visas available so only top candidates get them.
I know how to solve this problem, make the University education free for Americans [ US CITIZENS ] Masters Degrees and PhD ( Affordable ) and the Problem is totally Solved!
Germany couldn't solve the problem, how will US. I don't think high college fees is stopping US youth to go into one of the highest paying sectors in US, the tech industry.
The prerequisite of the H1b visa is that the salary must be above the average level in the database of the Department of Labor. It is a legal requirement made by the U.S. Congress. If it's not met, the visa application will be directly denied by the Department of Homeland Security. There is no "Indian salary" in the U.S. Indian Americans are the race with the highest per capita income among all races in the U.S. Thinking H1b visa holders are more competitive than you because they are paid less is only a losers' fantasy. The tech giants not only need to pay the same level of salary to H1b workers as to U.S. workers, but also need to pay extra legal costs and go through lengthy immigration processes to hire them. Do you think any company would want to do that if they could find enough domestic tech workers to fill the positions? The fact is simple and straightforward: Americans suck in math and sciences. The U.S. schools cannot produce enough STEM graduates so that tech companies in the US have to rely on foreign STEM students and workers. The tech dominance of the U.S. has been backed up by immigrants since 1920s.
Believe me... the amount of potential a lot of diversities show Is beyond impeccable... but the racism and discrimination is what we call suttle.. we would love to continue going to school but someone needs to put of funding... in the long run its a great investment.
A person like Bill Gates thinks in a global scale. This is what you should do. Instead of just thinking about the betterment of your country, realize that we all are living in one earth. Everyone is competing against each other. Qualified people should receive what they are deserved for. Less qualified people should not complain when they got beaten by the competition.
Every person has a footprint. Don't lie. Would you want japan to sink from the weight of the Chinese? I think not.Nobody wants population density like hong kong is that why you like the USA? Where are your Bill Gates inventive types? Casinos are not computers!!!! Maybe you can pay everybody to go live in china?
Or maybe Bill gates only thinks about himself and getting the best workers possible. Better chance to get better workers if he has to choose from billions of people. rather than a few americans. It's also cheaper labor.
@proden20 I don't understand, this sounds like a management issue. you have the perfect reasons to get rid of them and hire some real talents. Your company is setting itself up for failure. If you are doing all the work for them then you should ask for a raise/promotion, or just GTFO and find a better place. There's plenty opportunities here in the valley for people who know what they are doing.
Right, so we have to allow the entire world into our country to work and compete for our jobs but the rest of the world can keep their country for their people. "Less qualified people should not complain when they got beaten by the competition." The problem is that MORE qualified people are being replaced by less qualified people because they are cheaper. It's a race to the bottom in wages, pretty soon we'll all be dirt poor. And even if they weren't being replaced by less qualified workers it would still be idiotic. You want a healthy country with a good standard of living then your people need to actually be able to fucking work and make money. You bring in foreigners when there is room for growth in a field, you don't fucking flood it with them and drive all domestic workers out. How does destroying the local economy make for a better world? You talk about thinking globally but say fuck to all the people who can't find jobs because they aren't the best of the best in the entire world. Until all countries have an equal standard of living and freedoms then there will always be more people pouring into some countries than others creating unfair competition to the locals and this kind of bullshit fantasy doesn't work.
This is not about getting missing talent - this is simply about getting cheap labor within the border of United States. Japan expanded their foreign work visa program a few years ago and even allowed Chinese companies to set up shop within their borders. Now salaries have dropped like a rock, taxes are up and graduates have to accept part time jobs which pay less than a job as a taxi driver.
Joe Chan- if you were making 150k then you wouldn't have time to post on RUclips. . . and even if you REALLY are (which I obviously don't believe) then the guy you replaced was probably making 300k
do your research, 150k is common for software engineers and we work 40 hours a week in Microsoft. So you calling me cheap labor when you make way less than me?
dude... I am a foreign born PhD student at a US institution. Expect 150k-200k at graduation... we are not cheap labor we are highly specialized labor who come to create jobs and improve science.
I support what mr. Gates says about not sending away the highly intelligent immigrants. I would also like to say that we are throwing away allot of talent in our own countries in the western world. I've told very few people in my life up until recently that my great-grandfather was the manager of the IBM time clock division. And sometimes in my life I was not allowed to work due to no fault of my own. I also feel like the cost of a university education is too costly and expensive for some people like me in my socio-economic situation. I wish we could do it like the ancient philosophers did and go to the lyceum. I've often wondered what they had to pay for their education back then?
U.S. is throwing talent away, all right. LOCAL talent who gets pink slipped or not hired all the time. Buy local. Current laws for immigration just need to be enforced, but otherwise they're fine. The main reason the US is still the main tech hub is due to the imaginations and creativity of the local boys, the US citizen. 'nuff said.
"Current laws for immigration just need to be enforced, but otherwise they're fine" Right now the vast majority of Green cards are given to people who happen to have a relative in the US. That's the only requirement. No regard for education, skils, job experience, whatever just have an immediate relative in the US. Does this look like "current laws are just fine"? That we import under-skilled immigrants simply because they have a relative here while making almost impossible for a PhD in Engineering to stay after graduation? The US is literally - literally - educating its competition. It is beyond pathetic and someone who says "just enforce the law" simply has no idea of what they are talking about.
if india was as creative they wouldnt be a shithole. the vast majority of visas are from corperations applying to keep their low wage scabs here, visas are not the same as green cards just another lukewarm iq.
the bls predicts a decline in programming jobs and it clearly states that this decline is due to corporations outsourcing and using cheap labor yet this man comes up and says US is throwing talent.. haha in Bangalore there are more Microsoft offices and programmers than there are here in america. no wonder
I hope there will be international embassies in my hometown Don Carlos,Bukidnon,Mindanao,Philippines! If there is no international embassies in my hometown then I will not tour around the world.
Americans hate us Indians because they think we tek eer jeebs, but we actually innovate a lot, form new startups and contribute to the American society a lot. We are just simple people coming over for a better life.
I am Mexican iv skipped 3 grades and I'm first in my school I don't know why you hate us so much. no one is going to take over anything and if we do guess what there is a reason why. think about it ! It's because some one does it better. And you can be that some one. I am poor and I don't have a smart phone I have books and nature . I work hard with my dad to help out in the family and I still keep more them perfect grades I don't see if you are wealthy why you can't be better then me.I love you all good bye
Wrong! Who invented Pape paper, writing? Chinese (No, they were not white either, they are quite brown) Who invented Algebra? Babylonians(No, Middle Eastern people are not White, they are light brown). Who invented gunpowder? Chinese(Without this Europe would have never conquered the world) Europe didn't invent everything. It likely robbed knowledge gained from other nations as it went conquering the world.
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It is possible to produce superior performance provided you do something different from the majority. However most of us tend to pay more attention to the shiniest position in the market to the cost of proper diversification.
And hes called steve jobs an a$$hole wow hes one to talk! I am very smart but for this arrogance I could not get the dream job i pushed to have since they think we are all stupid! Espeically coming from someone who capitalized off apple in the beginning! Wow
@mitch paul Corporation don't want to pay Americans a decent livable wage, so they hire/exploit foreignors who are willing to work for NOTHING. And don't confuse "willing to work for nothing" with the assumption of a great work ethic; these people have the exact same work ethic as Americans, but foreign labor is cheaper, thus making corporations crony capitalists. So who's REALLY racist here, Americans who demand to work for a livable competing wage? Or corporations exploiting foreigners for cheap labor with a veneer of diversity and inclusion for publicity and leftist political sponsorship.
If they need highly skilled tech individuals to fill the openings the American talent pool can't fill, why did they have to lay off their American tech employees? And, if those Americans weren't qualified, why were they hired and why are they training their replacements? I wonder if they will still be in favor for this program if they had to pay these replacements the same salary requirements if they were Americans? BACK PAY included.
I would like to thank America for making it harder for immigrants to permanently settle here. My family and I came as immigrants and waited over 15 years for a green card. Foreigners coming each year by the 10s of thousands (mostly to a handful of US regions) is only going make it overwhelming for those who are permanently settled here and flood the market with excess labor which will put everyone at a disadvantage since you either are left with a crappy job, a low paying job, or no job.
@@joylm9108 Are you an immigrant? If not then stop calling others losers. You don't know the value of your life until you see it from someone else's perspective
I'm us born, well educated and need a job paying 6 figures. hire me instead of foreign Nationals. strange how I get rejection letters from top companies. the talent is right here in the US. I think what really happens is H1B is often cheaper labor Avis preferred over US citizens
Not really. They're bound by law to offer the same pay. They can't pay less. I can't believe this myth is still going on. Indians seem to get less because of the VISA "freeze" that is during visa process like getting a green card, foreign professionals cannot have a change in their contract/salary otherwise the process will reset. So these people are stuck at the old salary till the process is done which usually takes around 5-10 years or so. This is the root of this myth. Also, you can't get many jobs or promotions beyond a certain point unless you have a Green Card leading to another problem which propagates this myth.
A real case when a secretive coworkers create problems for their loyal and hardworking colleagues for being different, in culture and background, and start looking at them as threat, for their jobs, instead of looking at them as the builders of the USA. It is really an attitude thing... The system then responds to these secretive coworkers in negative way against the highly qualified.
Mr. Gates deserves my respect for his success in business, but when he says the United States should allow those whom he calls "capable people" to remain in this country, I disagree in totality. There is something that we should embark upon. It is the emigration of skilled, or talented people out of the US. It is nearly impossible for an engineering graduate who was born in this country to obtain a job here. We need support for U.S. citizens who are attempting to emigrate to countries where they can start a career in engineering. Never again will I back down from confronting someone who claims that the United States has a shortage of engineers. If a U.S. citizen earns an advanced degree, we must staple to his diploma a Russian work visa. Or a French, or Swiss, or German visa.
American workers benefit from immigrants because it builds a greater market for american goods. And it helps build and expand the american power worldwide. We could put our heads in the sand and go through with isolationist policies. Or we could actually focus on economic growth and expanding opportunity for the united states.
@@shaneviola8848 Looks like someone else drunk the multiculturalism diversity koolaid. I guess you think it's wrong for Americans to demand that tech companies pay them a livable wage, so they can invest in their OWN economic welfare. You just simply hate America and your fellow American. Get out of my country.
Let them work from India or wherever. They can telecommute from there. Don't let them come here. You can pay them cheap labor back in India or wherever.
Who else noticed the Mac desktop in the background? 😂😂
Hayden Combs Bill Gates own shares in Apple
Microsoft had legislation rule against it under monopoly laws, so Gates got around it by buying apple shares & storing Mac computer's in warehouses. One of the tricks you can do if your a huge corporation I guess. It ends up working out cheaper for him.
Bill was not counting on Trump becoming president
Hayden Combs I got it
Yes, me! I have an imac also. Ha!
then people will say "omg, these high talent foreign people are TAKING OUR JOBS"
Corps have no choice as American workers are under educated. Trump's favourite 'the under educated' .
Even though, that may not be true, it’s what a high percentage Mercian’s believe.
Oops Americans believe.
Oops again! Of Americans believe
I'm surprised that Bill doesn't simply outsource, offshore, relocate MS operations to Bangalore.
He has, actually. MS has an operation in the aforementioned city, and another one in the city of Hyderabad. A major chunk of software R and D work happens there.
He did and now Windows sucks and Win 11 is so bad most sites are not recommending installing it. Highly skilled + talented.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 Microsoft corporation is private company not government company . They sell their products around the world not only just USA and makes revenue from world. If they wanna hire best employee they should .
And MS doesn't only have Indian officers but rest of the world like Dublin Singapore London etc. If you you are obsessed with American job then stop selling service outside of USA.
They also make revenue from India and other places. And outsource can be done in low level work not high quantity
Americans here complaining and crying that he hire Indian workers so as pay less should check the average income of Indian american with American people... average income of Indian american is 90k dollars while native Americans 50k dollars
They are whiners we are winners.
Comparing people with double degrees in engineering with general people of America is not fair. American people with degrees expect much higher pay than indians. That is the main reason.
@@laineanger6785 stfu bitch!
@@laineanger6785 Do not get angry becuz of some stupid comment , Indians earn more because the diaspora in America or Indian America are talented , ambitious,hardworking people of India no wonder they earn more . You can compare Indian American with Average American .Average Indian salary in India suck so bad
@@laineanger6785 You should check VOA report....
... Huh? Are you serious? You do know that he "dropped out" of Harvard in order to CREATE Microsoft, don't you? And that him and Paul Allen created the BASIC compiler in something like a month? I'm not saying he's the smartest person alive, but he's definitely one of them.
I thought Indians moved to Silicon Valley in 70s and built it. You mean Gates and Allen built MS along with Americans? We've been lied to.
If we can't make an Einstein, why not buy him? the U.S needs to recruit and keep higher skilled people of the world who come here for the great education.
I once heard Ted Cruz suggest that an H1B have a min wage of 125K. That sounds like a fair number that would fix a lot of them problems. Bill can get his PHDs.
Paul Gersch
Absolutely agreed. If there is shortage, then let them make more than the avg. until supply catches. But they make around $70 K. That's something American tech workers can't compete with.
I fully support that. Indian companies have been abusing the system. They're facing 35% visa rejection rates now, which is a good thing. Google and Apple face less than 4%, as they should. This also brings the truly meritorious workers who have skills the locals lack in ,while keeping the mediocre crap out.
Im From India. And much of my family is in the Bay Area..
And The Kids that are hired from Indian Institutes of Technology that leave for the Bay Area are paid
From 120k -250k Right After 4 Years Of Bachelors in Technology..
My Own Cousin got 210k Offer from Google after Graduating from Indian Institute of Technology
Another Cousin went to MIT after high School from India... And later after Graduating From MIT he Got a 185k Offfer in a Hardware/GPU Company that i wouldn't name but easy to guess..
An Uncle of mine founded a $400 Million + Market Cap Company in the Bay Area..
Another uncle working in the Bay Area is an executive making $1.9 Million a year and has several patents registered in the U.S
One of my Aunt makes close to $500k
Other Family Average is about $300k...
More than 50 % of PHD's in the U.S Are Foreign Born..
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The USB (in which we store terrabytes of data today ) Was Invented by an Indian.. And that's just one invention i'm telling you.. There's a long long list of inventions by Indians.
Hell the Number 0 and the Numerical System we follow today Was Invented by an Indian in 500 B.C :)
@ which cousin? as I know only 5-6 Indians in MIT
Please can you tell me which process he went?
Please
The interviewer obviously didn't understand what Gates meant when he said the graduates were forced to leave the country. She thought that the first thing they would do would be to start a company when they went elsewhere, but that doesn't align with what any of Gates was saying. He was talking all about foreign people entering into highly skilled tech jobs after college and not being able to do so in the US. He was getting started on descring how they would all do exactly that but in another country when the interviewer interrupted and sayed that they were going to be starting companies when they left the country. That's not what Gates was implying at all, but she acted as if she were completing his thought. Doubtless, many of them will start companies, but I'm just talking about what Gates was saying at the moment. This misunderstanding shows ineptitude on the interviewer's part.
It is illegal under US law for international students to file for green cards. Millions do anyway.
We just don't need Indians
Damn, after reading a fair comments, I just realised that I may have missed a trick. $ 100k/year starting salary is cheap now? Jeez ...12 years ago, if you got 48k/year, you were on easy street..or maybe that was just me?
It's something called economics
American programmers made $140K in 1998. $100K for an 80-hour a week job is a slap in the face. $200K or bust.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 you dumb idiots had no knowledge about programming. Creating facts by yourself
People talking about cheap labor don't have any idea what MS pays to its employees including H1B employees :)
Don't engage these dumbasses. Half of them are incapable technical managers and engineers whose skills didn't keep up with the market cause they were lazy. Google and Microsoft does not discriminate on the basis of anything but merit. They want a meritocracy when it comes to underprivileged people until they're the ones lagging behind,. Then, they want protectionism.
@@kicksomeup6998 those idiots are afraid of losing their jobs to skilled immigrants
Most of them are paid 1/2 what American programmers made in 1998. India Inc is illegally rigging the US labor market, which is a Federal crime.
Hi@@tenminutetokyo2643 Difference is not that much. Typical software engineer gets around $79,357 per year in India and $103,661 in USA. I am working in industry from 16 years now and I was Solution Architect in my last company (I left for starting my own venture). At my level I will get way more then software engineer.
Not only Microsoft, many Indian start-ups are offering better salaries then biggies like Microsoft and Amazon.
Considering India is way cheaper, now a days it doesn't makes sense to move to other countries just for money. I myself had refused for H1B which my previous country was offering about 2 years back.
Disclaimer is - not everybody gets this kind of salaries in India but average salaries in software industry are significantly more than in 1990's, 2000's. When anybody thinks about India, they need to remember, standards here are changing very-very fast. What seemed to be impossible in 2015 is new normal now a days. Someone can still get cheap programmers, but mostly they will either get inexperienced new folks which will leave them once they will learn enough or they will get dirt as you were looking for dirt.
@@tenminutetokyo2643 indian american average income is twice the national average they are richest community in USA
i think i can tell you what bill is ACTUALLY talking about.... I'm indian... my cousin scored really well in the engineering entrance exam in my country called the IIT-JEE. so he got admission into one of the IITs... after doing his cse (btw my cousin was a really good programmer) he got a job offer from microsoft to work in the USA... and since the job prospects were really good for a b-tech out of college graduate.. he accepted it...
NOW THE PROBLEM is that US govt. has put a limit to how many people can come to their country in such a manner(like my cousin) for work purposes for their own reasons...
but in reality it restricts big-tech companies like microsoft ,facebook, amazon , apple ...to hire ample amounts of "capable" ,skilled people from around the world which they can't do in the usa itself... bill wants to overcome this problem for the good of his company that's all .
The US govt actually relaxed H1B visas in 1998. Since then it has become a massive pipeline for indentured servants, with a monopoly from India. A whopping 75% of H1Bs are from India. The next highest is 11% from China, despite them being comparable population size, and also within magnitude comparable engineers produced. The Economic Policy Index found that the majority of H1Bs from India are UNDERPAID BY up to 39%. Microsoft is amongst the worst abusers! Furthermore, most of them occupy entry level jobs, which means that this is worker exploitation, NOT acquiring high skilled immigrants. Even furthermore, it heavily decreases the opportunity for new grads, who aren't even considered in applications because big tech goes straight to the pipeline!
It is estimated now in a BBC study that undergrads wait up to FIVE YEARS after graduating before landing a spot that actually utilizes their skill level. That's how disastrous this has become.
Ive never been there but as a US citizen born and raised I think India is pretty great, very smart people.. their very rich religious tradition we almost misleadingly call "Hinduism" as if it's one thing, shows that. Heck even Indian philosophy pre-dates (by a little bit) Greek philosophy, and arose on it's own.
Is it our fault that America doesn't have any skilled workers ?
If you really want those jobs why don't you study for it and project yourselves as a better contender. They won't need foreign skilled workers if they had some in United States. Stop crying and fight for it, competing with Indian IT professionals is not a walk in the park.
Here's a civilized question to the double standard people of the so called "DEVELOPED COUNTRY", if you guys really feel Indians are taking your jobs away, why don't you study properly and overcome them? Is it because you got too small a mind to for the diving "knowledge"?
Well, be smarter than the Indians and they will be unemployed in your country, and at some point will return back to India. One more thing, a guy in the comment section asked, "after retiring, why don't they move back to India". Well, here's your answer mister. They bought the place by their own earnings, they deserve to live there. You don't own the copyright of a huge part of the earth called "America". Everyone can live anywhere if he has the necessities. If you feel the way as to prove yourself better, then become better.
Thank you!
Let us compare India to the US.
Indians:
- Raise their kids in social groups, the kids develop personalities.
- Work together towards a common goal...at the least ones that come to the US do, sharing info, helping each other out.
- Learn to lie to the point of habit if it gets them ahead
- If you get an indian boss, they will kick out or push out the non-indians to let them hire more indians
White people in the US:
- Raise their kids in a lot of social isolation, everyone lives in different places, doesn't play together, tells them if they go off on their own they'll be kidnapped. Even the government sometimes threatens parents with arrest for letting their kids walk places on their own in public.
- Kids are raised in a way as to be constantly moved between social groups and it's difficult to have long term friends.
- The lying thing is debatable. Kids are both taught not to lie, and also to lie, it's a bit complicated.
- If you get a white boss they are told that firing all the non-whites to bring in white people would be an unacceptable thing to do.
My question is - raising with a social atmoshpere that isn't dominating by "child crime hysteria" seems work for the indians, why can't we do it here in the US?
@@mithereal then it's gonna be full on war
@@ghostbond1074 You're stupid, either accept your incompetence or prove it wrong. Corporates watch for talent but also look for the cost. Here countries like India and China stands out. Getting a job as an Indian/chinese ain't that easy as you think. They work their a** off, the time you guys party around. The problem is that America's education system doesn't make them competent and kids from India and face brutal competition, so they get habituated and become tough nuts, like military triangle. There's a saying among JEE aspirants in India, " If you can't make it to IITs, keep Ivys as a plan B".
So Americans need to become competent, they need to prove it.
@@Subhasis44597 You wrote a pointless post. You didn't respond to a single thing I actually wrote.
What I was getting at is that I think Americans should be raised in a more social environment or they're going to fall behind. Indians did it and they're doing well, why aren't we doing the same thing?
In asia, parents priority for their kids is a good education. we dont care if we work 24/7 just to make sure our kids gets a higher level education. we dont think about what will going to happen to us since we spent all the money, and we even get a loan that we have to pay for life, and we didnt have anything left for our retirements, which totally different from the west. parents kicked their childrens when reached the age and let them decide whether they will further their studies using a student loan from the govt, and they end up just working in fast foods. we make sure we send them to college, and beat them ass if they refuse to go. our generation we didnt have enough money to go to school and we end up doing odd jobs in our country just to make sure they have a better future (sorry for my bad english 😜)
English is just a language
Don't be apologize to foreign language
@@sabarinathan6554 🙏
Elon Musk and europeans-are we joke to you?
This comment is kind of racist not only Asians are successful even Africans and Europeans.
@@sukumarann3782 racist? Chill your tits, you people always start politics in comment section.
Would $1 trillion in US student debt have anything to do with the fact that we don't have a large enough pool of qualified candidates to fill STEM jobs? Nice try Bill. How about you use your billions to help improve America's educational system so that we can train our workers to perform those high in demand jobs instead of taking a shortcut and hiring foreigners through H1B visas??
tenminutetokyo
Let me tell u a joke
tenminutetokyo
MrSupernova111 debt is because people take stupid majors
dude none of ur STEM graduate is out of job or is paid less u just dont have enough of them thats where Indians come in and stop complaining u have better ranking institutions than India . Anyways if u block immigration it will be good cause that will mean either of two things
1. The next big software company is going to come from India or China
2. The big software companies which were reluctant to outsource highend R&D will have to start doing it and most probable destination is India.
so either ways ur doing us a favour dunno if its helping u.
why would he spend his own money on locals? he is profiting from cheap foreign workers in his company.
How would student debt have anything to do with us not having qualified candidates? The people with student debt have presumably finished a uni degree....problem is that they are getting it in gender studies.
IF there is such a shortage of individuals with advance degrees among Americans, why do I having a Master Degree in Electrical and Computer Engineering, am working a jobs of a 2 year Electrical Tech for the past decade. And my is my sister, a holder of a Master Degree in Chemical Engineering working in a book store?
maybe you guys have done it wrong....if you don't have a job with master's in Computer engineering it mean there is something wrong with you
You have ran to the traditional "you are the problem" argument, and it has a fault, it not just that my sister and myself are Master Degrees, but I know of others in the same situation, and we are not even getting call for interviews! If it was us, then wouldn't employees need to be interviewing us to determine that?
The simple truth is Mr. Gate is lying, he lied before congress, the is lying now. It is not that there are not American who can work in these fields, it that they don't way to pay Americans, when they can bring in cheaper foreigners to do the job (perhaps nearly as well, and when you consider how successful Microsoft software is at launch you will see what I mean by that)
The truth is Mr. Gates need another billion to prove he had the biggest penis, because Zuckerbrug caught up to him in the money game. And our lives and livelihood is none of his concern when the money game in being played!
Simple, Because Billy Boy and his ilk are lying. RUclips: "PERM Fake Job Ads defraud Americans"
Move to an area with a lot of job growth or be a badass in EE/CE, if you have at least one open source board developments in something like high speed digital design. Also, don't settle for less. Gain depth in an area. But keep that breadth (Know programing (c++ for low level, python high level, matlab, labview), know something specific to your mastery (ADS)) and apply to those jobs every day, even while you have a job. Its a question of numbers and the right fit. Keep applying man...
TO start with in 1876 a man invented this device called the Telephone, allowing one talk to individuals all over the world. One would think that people with degrees in engineering would understand that one does not need to move before they have a job at a location, thanks to get more then a century old technology! I have sent out resumes, more then 4000 of them in the last decade, with zero responses! And I am fare from the only one that can say such! That is my point, Gates is lying and it is costing a large number of Americans in his quest for more money!
Why Indian people go and work outside india take the citizenship, there one lady in india she’s not respected, indian government is saying she has no right in india. Our Sonia Gandhi
fyi: he is the founder of Microsoft
So, as far as I understood, educated people are needed.
I am an asset to the world and I choose to live simply in the Philippines.But I will tour around the world someday!
Can i be like bill gates
I'm big fan only bill and steve they change the world
Technically speaking the U.S never had any talents leave aside throwing them. For example the space mission was possible only due German scientists who were captured during WWII.
How about making education affordable again? My wife managed to pay for college by working summers and working part time during school. You can't even live on that with minimum wage, now.
Bill Gates didn't really drop out. He left college to take advantage of a business opportunity.
The elites want the American public dumbed down. Smart citizens are a threat to politicians' power. Besides, SIlicon Valley was created by college dropouts.
Aint Canada too... if the future is and was now ... ill even type then because that was the past... but we need to talk our School system and who Education should go too... It should go to everyone... in my opinion.
why does US need to rely on foreign students? Why cant we train US born students?
@Arjun Old Mac Donal' had a Farm
-American Dream
American students mostly do not veer towards technical education..and this trend is ever increasing
I read in Wikipedia that 6.6% of USA population has american ancestry. Rest all has mix of people from non-american ancestry. May be this tells us that USA is land of immigrants and everyone together has been making it great from decades. Of course, us (Indians) and Chinese are enormous in population, and not to mention we are extremely adaptive, intelligent, hardworking and ambitious. So we tend to reach every part of the world and grow. There is no point in bringing up racism. That time has gone I believe.
And for those of you who have read the "The Art of War", then you should know that giving away one asset (in this case a PhD student) to an enemy (in this case a competing nation) is worse than losing 2 assets.
The USA is literally paying for the education of its competition. It doesn't get more blatant than this.
The USA is not paying for the education of its competition, it earns billions of that from them. Nothing is free. But to turn smart people away is not a good policy.
Giving away Silicon Valley to India + China == suicide of America.
the US is a magnet for talent
I would dearly love to work in the US - I am in the IT programming industry but I know that I would never be able to get work there - so i won't even try to bother and I have had enough stress in the last 4 years to last me a lifetime and I wouldn't want anymore with a rejection on that scale!
Indians are extremely talented and clever None want to leave motherland however we will rise above historic influence and prevent braindrain in other countries
Jai Hind
What about millions of American's that spent years in school and can't find work to the level of their knowledge?
College is mostly another part of an economy based upon debt.
Cause they hardly study
A 9th Grader in India has learnt more Math and Science than a 11th Grader in the U.S
But you take all our talent away, and then don't treat them well...
They r busy in dating gurls🤣
@@raginimishra1931 They hardly study, because their too busy working menial jobs, paying off their student loans and exorbitant tuition rates.
@@newyorkfan16 I think education is too expensive in US, it's dirt cheap in India though, specifically the private ones.
Shortage of talent only at rock bottom salary. There is absolutely no shortage in any talent in the US, I can personally vouch for that.
there should not be any more countries . Earth is one n should perform as a one nation ..this is what globalization meant
chintu .n quite interesting, and why do you think that?
yes equal misery for all.
I am very contended living simply in the Philippines. surely I will not migrate to USA but I will visit and your to USA.
He contradicts himself. So what he's saying is only foreign born students here on visas are talented even though they are attending the same colleges as us Americans? One minute he is complimenting American colleges and the next minute he says that the American Education system isn't producing enough talent. So the foreign born students here on visas are the only ones graduating from these colleges? I can't believe Americans can't see right through this. Bottom line is the graduates here on visas work for a lot less money. Meanwhile the American students continue to attend colleges for these Tech positions believing there is a shortage in the Tech positions while racking up huge amounts of student loan debt and not being able to find employment after graduation. Then people wonder why there is a student loan crisis.
+67JohnGrant but eventually they will have to leave the country, bc green cards now only go to those with relatives wholiving in us...Am i right sir?
Bottom line It's better for the country but not so much for Americans . The atmosphere now in USA has, No one wont listen you instead you will be labelled as xenophobic
It is better to praise yourself atleast you didnt born in any under developed country just make mindset life is one
He's on point. US is training/nurturing and not retaining talent. More than 50% of US grad students in STEM are foreign born.
Why doesn't Bill Gates tell our colleges and universities the skills he is looking for
If he said so what he is looking for !! , Then wouldn't we all will only look after that quality we need to go after. Simply that would make all of us same. Then the same cycle goes around. Now we are all same , same education same charisma.
educate americans first
I admire Mr. Bill Gates and his ideas. He is way much better than many Capitalists or businessmen out there who just make workers work, work .... until...! To my limited knowledge & experience, it seems the problem lies in American Capitalism and unfavorable labor and immigration laws. Add to that complicated health insurance system and flavors of discrimination in terms of culture, race, religion, gender, education, language etc. and we get into a system of unescapable political and global web/s , which no one can fix.
schools in America are designed to make money. Americans need to examine what will make themselves the most money at the least cost. I know plenty of people who spent four or five years for an undergraduate degree only to go into professional degree program which did not require 75% of the courses they had taken. making a difference start from inside.
Then join a trade school. Most trade schools earn more now than a college degree on average nowadays without the debt problem.
Capitalism
Indians and for that matter other Asians are just looking for better life’s. If US closes its door, Canada is very much ready to lap up to that talent. Companies require talent and they will find ways to get them.. even when it means relocating.
What's so wrong with the life in the countries they're immigrating from? Why do they have to come HERE?!? You don't see Americans immigrating to THEIR countries demanding that their native citizenry cater to their wishes and needs through diversity and inclusion. Nobody is asking for African countries or Asian countries to be diverse and inclusive. It's only just white and christian populated areas. Why can't tech companies and university train American in the fields so they can investing in their own economy, so we won't be subject to global corporate oligarchs that doesn't want America to be a free and soveriegn nation.
@@newyorkfan16 For the same reason you ancestor came to America and displaced Natives
@@newyorkfan16 Why did your ancestors take land from the Natives? You clearly are the most ignorant and foolish person I have ever seen.
Bill Gates's view is skewed towards one sector i.e technology. Immigration is a broad area and it affects all jobs/sectors of the economy. Just like trade, it should be fair for everyone.
I’m not working on a polished piece of shit that someone fights every step of the way to fix
Im disappointed, i i was thinking about traveling to us for masters degree in computer science, but i dont think it will worth it.
+Eng. Ahmed don't do it, keep your money and invest in your country, The US is doomed.
+Free Jean Pierre Wehry 222830 Why is that?
No Jobs here
+Free Jean Pierre Wehry 222830 even if you have a degree in a very demanded profession ? Where does all the green cards go then?
to mexican illiterates.
Nope, companies are just trying to be cheap at the end of the day while maximizing talent.
PLEASE STRICKLY CONTROL INDIANS TO COME TO OUR COUNTRIES.
This from the guy that wants to keep men out of STEM fields.
good Indian talent won't go away
no they will by shot in the head and buried in unmarked graves like the scum they are.
@@mithereal calm down kid
@@mithereal Stfu inbred
If they have to leave it's because you're displacing an American
By talent he means, "cheap labor" for him........ Indian wages.
He said he offers them 100k year starting salaries? Cheap labor is paying sub-minimum wage to migrant workers, which he was never in the business of, though that apple your eating, was a part of.
Lawrence Morel Today americans deserves as self. Indians are doing work hard and have a talentable skills. Americans havent their qualities ...today america is become top g.d.p country because of Indians ...not a Americans .....see money is note. matter Americans do always criticize Indian peoples ...cheap labours ...and taking like that .....
Anne amy lmao sure
Bill Gates also donated 1B+ to fund full ride scholarships, so if it was cheap labor he is after, he has a weird way of doing it.
Also, Indians like any other visa sponsored labor has to be paid at least the average of others in their field. Theres a website with all visa salaries. I think its hard to get a job as an indian because they have so little visas available so only top candidates get them.
well he became rich off of monopoly/corrupt practices so giving money away that doesn't really affect you is all for his own ego.
Also, notice that he was completely wrong about both fixing immigration and Visas
Guys Knowledge is limited by time, Intelligence is yet to be quantified. Bill is right to say "talented" individuals in those particular fields.
I know how to solve this problem, make the University education free for Americans [ US CITIZENS ] Masters Degrees and PhD ( Affordable ) and the Problem is totally Solved!
Germany couldn't solve the problem, how will US.
I don't think high college fees is stopping US youth to go into one of the highest paying sectors in US, the tech industry.
all you want to have is India salaries in US
haha exactly
you got it right
100k dollars
The prerequisite of the H1b visa is that the salary must be above the average level in the database of the Department of Labor. It is a legal requirement made by the U.S. Congress. If it's not met, the visa application will be directly denied by the Department of Homeland Security. There is no "Indian salary" in the U.S. Indian Americans are the race with the highest per capita income among all races in the U.S. Thinking H1b visa holders are more competitive than you because they are paid less is only a losers' fantasy.
The tech giants not only need to pay the same level of salary to H1b workers as to U.S. workers, but also need to pay extra legal costs and go through lengthy immigration processes to hire them. Do you think any company would want to do that if they could find enough domestic tech workers to fill the positions? The fact is simple and straightforward: Americans suck in math and sciences. The U.S. schools cannot produce enough STEM graduates so that tech companies in the US have to rely on foreign STEM students and workers. The tech dominance of the U.S. has been backed up by immigrants since 1920s.
And then Sat Nav took over Microsoft and made loads of "high talent" people redundant.
As of my thinking, big number of people who are learned in US are stay there country and get a job in his/her country.
Believe me... the amount of potential a lot of diversities show Is beyond impeccable... but the racism and discrimination is what we call suttle.. we would love to continue going to school but someone needs to put of funding... in the long run its a great investment.
Smart people coming in America because not enough smart people in America
I sympathize with Mr Gates, but as an American university graduate I want nothing to do with the American people or their economy.
What ever,hired Americans not immigrants willing to work for cents!
A person like Bill Gates thinks in a global scale. This is what you should do. Instead of just thinking about the betterment of your country, realize that we all are living in one earth. Everyone is competing against each other. Qualified people should receive what they are deserved for. Less qualified people should not complain when they got beaten by the competition.
there's more and more of us, competing for less and less to do. we'll all be losers soon.
Every person has a footprint. Don't lie. Would you want japan to sink from the weight of the Chinese? I think not.Nobody wants population density like hong kong is that why you like the USA? Where are your Bill Gates inventive types? Casinos are not computers!!!! Maybe you can pay everybody to go live in china?
Or maybe Bill gates only thinks about himself and getting the best workers possible.
Better chance to get better workers if he has to choose from billions of people.
rather than a few americans. It's also cheaper labor.
@proden20 I don't understand, this sounds like a management issue. you have the perfect reasons to get rid of them and hire some real talents. Your company is setting itself up for failure. If you are doing all the work for them then you should ask for a raise/promotion, or just GTFO and find a better place. There's plenty opportunities here in the valley for people who know what they are doing.
Right, so we have to allow the entire world into our country to work and compete for our jobs but the rest of the world can keep their country for their people.
"Less qualified people should not complain when they got beaten by the competition."
The problem is that MORE qualified people are being replaced by less qualified people because they are cheaper. It's a race to the bottom in wages, pretty soon we'll all be dirt poor. And even if they weren't being replaced by less qualified workers it would still be idiotic. You want a healthy country with a good standard of living then your people need to actually be able to fucking work and make money. You bring in foreigners when there is room for growth in a field, you don't fucking flood it with them and drive all domestic workers out. How does destroying the local economy make for a better world? You talk about thinking globally but say fuck to all the people who can't find jobs because they aren't the best of the best in the entire world. Until all countries have an equal standard of living and freedoms then there will always be more people pouring into some countries than others creating unfair competition to the locals and this kind of bullshit fantasy doesn't work.
This is not about getting missing talent - this is simply about getting cheap labor within the border of United States. Japan expanded their foreign work visa program a few years ago and even allowed Chinese companies to set up shop within their borders. Now salaries have dropped like a rock, taxes are up and graduates have to accept part time jobs which pay less than a job as a taxi driver.
Radkon Psygami I am making 150k with a foreign visa and I am a cheap labor?
Joe Chan- if you were making 150k then you wouldn't have time to post on RUclips. . . and even if you REALLY are (which I obviously don't believe) then the guy you replaced was probably making 300k
do your research, 150k is common for software engineers and we work 40 hours a week in Microsoft. So you calling me cheap labor when you make way less than me?
+Joe Chan dude, good for you.., are you an immigrant
dude... I am a foreign born PhD student at a US institution. Expect 150k-200k at graduation... we are not cheap labor we are highly specialized labor who come to create jobs and improve science.
Lol 5 years ago we were talking about immigration as a pressing topic, and it remains a pressing issue.
"high medical budget" yet not everyone has insurance
I support what mr. Gates says about not sending away the highly intelligent immigrants.
I would also like to say that we are throwing away allot of talent in our own countries in the western world. I've told very few people in my life up until recently that my great-grandfather was the manager of the IBM time clock division. And sometimes in my life I was not allowed to work due to no fault of my own.
I also feel like the cost of a university education is too costly and expensive for some people like me in my socio-economic situation. I wish we could do it like the ancient philosophers did and go to the lyceum. I've often wondered what they had to pay for their education back then?
U.S. is throwing talent away, all right. LOCAL talent who gets pink slipped or not hired all the time. Buy local. Current laws for immigration just need to be enforced, but otherwise they're fine. The main reason the US is still the main tech hub is due to the imaginations and creativity of the local boys, the US citizen. 'nuff said.
"Current laws for immigration just need to be enforced, but otherwise they're fine"
Right now the vast majority of Green cards are given to people who happen to have a relative in the US. That's the only requirement. No regard for education, skils, job experience, whatever just have an immediate relative in the US.
Does this look like "current laws are just fine"? That we import under-skilled immigrants simply because they have a relative here while making almost impossible for a PhD in Engineering to stay after graduation?
The US is literally - literally - educating its competition.
It is beyond pathetic and someone who says "just enforce the law" simply has no idea of what they are talking about.
if india was as creative they wouldnt be a shithole. the vast majority of visas are from corperations applying to keep their low wage scabs here, visas are not the same as green cards just another lukewarm iq.
You are 100% right
the bls predicts a decline in programming jobs and it clearly states that this decline is due to corporations outsourcing and using cheap labor yet this man comes up and says US is throwing talent.. haha in Bangalore there are more Microsoft offices and programmers than there are here in america. no wonder
And that is microsoft india pvt ltd
Not microsoft usa
And MS generate revenue from India
So it's ok
we all know this is BS.
lol i see a mac and a PC in the background
America people don’t want to work like some people it’s all Americans use to take pride in their jobs not anymore
Talented woman, can't be mad at that.
We want opportunities , money and they want our talents and brains
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This guy is out of touch with regular Americans who are losing jobs
Since the USA is a huge country it always needed people. For defence and other related foes stopping expertise. Especially HT.
I hope there will be international embassies in my hometown Don Carlos,Bukidnon,Mindanao,Philippines! If there is no international embassies in my hometown then I will not tour around the world.
Americans hate us Indians because they think we tek eer jeebs, but we actually innovate a lot, form new startups and contribute to the American society a lot. We are just simple people coming over for a better life.
I am Mexican iv skipped 3 grades and I'm first in my school I don't know why you hate us so much. no one is going to take over anything and if we do guess what there is a reason why. think about it ! It's because some one does it better. And you can be that some one. I am poor and I don't have a smart phone I have books and nature . I work hard with my dad to help out in the family and I still keep more them perfect grades I don't see if you are wealthy why you can't be better then me.I love you all good bye
Wrong!
Who invented Pape paper, writing? Chinese (No, they were not white either, they are quite brown)
Who invented Algebra? Babylonians(No, Middle Eastern people are not White, they are light brown).
Who invented gunpowder? Chinese(Without this Europe would have never conquered the world)
Europe didn't invent everything. It likely robbed knowledge gained from other nations as it went conquering the world.
What's the name of this lady interviewing Bill ?
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And hes called steve jobs an a$$hole wow hes one to talk! I am very smart but for this arrogance I could not get the dream job i pushed to have since they think we are all stupid! Espeically coming from someone who capitalized off apple in the beginning! Wow
Bill, what's the "high talent" you are talking about ? why America can't produce the "high talent" that you refer to ?
@mitch paul Corporation don't want to pay Americans a decent livable wage, so they hire/exploit foreignors who are willing to work for NOTHING. And don't confuse "willing to work for nothing" with the assumption of a great work ethic; these people have the exact same work ethic as Americans, but foreign labor is cheaper, thus making corporations crony capitalists. So who's REALLY racist here, Americans who demand to work for a livable competing wage? Or corporations exploiting foreigners for cheap labor with a veneer of diversity and inclusion for publicity and leftist political sponsorship.
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If they need highly skilled tech individuals to fill the openings the American talent pool can't fill, why did they have to lay off their American tech employees? And, if those Americans weren't qualified, why were they hired and why are they training their replacements?
I wonder if they will still be in favor for this program if they had to pay these replacements the same salary requirements if they were Americans? BACK PAY included.
The US has more resources.
Other nations not have much.
I guess he is more interested into getting cheaper labor.
More talent to write Windows 10 codes.
No one is perfect But this is an insult!
Google the AmeriCant dream.
What a laughing I have for Bill Gate? His talent workers helped him more richest just Microsoft upgrade and virus upgrade.
I would like to thank America for making it harder for immigrants to permanently settle here. My family and I came as immigrants and waited over 15 years for a green card. Foreigners coming each year by the 10s of thousands (mostly to a handful of US regions) is only going make it overwhelming for those who are permanently settled here and flood the market with excess labor which will put everyone at a disadvantage since you either are left with a crappy job, a low paying job, or no job.
lol loser. Blame the big tech companies.If you can't catch up with them then sorry blame yourself.
@@joylm9108 Are you an immigrant? If not then stop calling others losers. You don't know the value of your life until you see it from someone else's perspective
I'm us born, well educated and need a job paying 6 figures. hire me instead of foreign Nationals. strange how I get rejection letters from top companies. the talent is right here in the US. I think what really happens is H1B is often cheaper labor Avis preferred over US citizens
Not really. They're bound by law to offer the same pay. They can't pay less. I can't believe this myth is still going on.
Indians seem to get less because of the VISA "freeze" that is during visa process like getting a green card, foreign professionals cannot have a change in their contract/salary otherwise the process will reset. So these people are stuck at the old salary till the process is done which usually takes around 5-10 years or so. This is the root of this myth.
Also, you can't get many jobs or promotions beyond a certain point unless you have a Green Card leading to another problem which propagates this myth.
Richard Colucci u.s members have no talents they didn't work hard....today its being punishing
@Richard Colucci Right that's why there CEO of many top companies are from India
they can pay less you just talking out your ass.
Richard Colucci may be u r not good enough
A real case when a secretive coworkers create problems for their loyal and hardworking colleagues for being different, in culture and background, and start looking at them as threat, for their jobs, instead of looking at them as the builders of the USA. It is really an attitude thing... The system then responds to these secretive coworkers in negative way against the highly qualified.
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A magnet for cheap talent while Americans go Jobless.
Who is taking interview
Yes, if you are a talent with a kind heart, my door is open. You dont have to be a millionaire, i have houses of varies sizes !!!
how can somebody work without a tools
Mr. Gates deserves my respect for his success in business, but when he says the United States should allow those whom he calls "capable people" to remain in this country, I disagree in totality. There is something that we should embark upon. It is the emigration of skilled, or talented people out of the US. It is nearly impossible for an engineering graduate who was born in this country to obtain a job here. We need support for U.S. citizens who are attempting to emigrate to countries where they can start a career in engineering. Never again will I back down from confronting someone who claims that the United States has a shortage of engineers.
If a U.S. citizen earns an advanced degree, we must staple to his diploma a Russian work visa. Or a French, or Swiss, or German visa.
tenminutetokyo yeah!! keep barking jealous dog
American workers benefit from immigrants because it builds a greater market for american goods. And it helps build and expand the american power worldwide. We could put our heads in the sand and go through with isolationist policies. Or we could actually focus on economic growth and expanding opportunity for the united states.
@@shaneviola8848 Looks like someone else drunk the multiculturalism diversity koolaid. I guess you think it's wrong for Americans to demand that tech companies pay them a livable wage, so they can invest in their OWN economic welfare. You just simply hate America and your fellow American. Get out of my country.
Let them work from India or wherever. They can telecommute from there. Don't let them come here. You can pay them cheap labor back in India or wherever.