We have used Emporia for over a year now. Love it. Just wish we would get a second one to run the house circuits we don't have monitored. I also suggest taping the Emporia sensor wires to the Emporia hub. We had some come out so we lost connection to some sensors. Also our wiring box is a bit crowded.
Ditto. I have been using mine for a year now to learn how we are using electricity. Especially over-night usage to really figure out battery capacity needs. I do wish they monitored more circuits. Would like to see this integrated into the circuit breakers!
@@Mike80528 I think it is possible to use two in the same account, just not sure. Second could use the 'mains' for solar monitoring too I believe (or input from an inverter kind of thing).
In US most house have a single phase electrical system with a center tap from the transformer. This is how one gets 120 VAC for most of the appliances and 240 VAC for the dryer. That is single phase electrical system. There are three phase electrical system in large applications or industrial uses. There is no such thing as two phase electrical system. In Europe it is the same, the only difference is that in Europe they don't use the middle tap on the transformer so they have single phase 220 VAC or three phase systems.
Thanks for the video. I have purchased the 16 circuit version and will be installing it tomorrow when my wife is gone for lunch with some ladies from Church. I have 18 circuits in the main panel and have narrowed down to the 16 to be monitored. The reason for monitoring is my estimate of 28-32 panels have jumped way up to 60 panels. On the manual, my pamphlet directed me to download the app for my phone and walk through it. The app is okay but not beginner friendly (which is okay for me since I am familiar with wiring). I also have labeled each CT with same label I assigned it in the app. Keeping it simple saves future Brent from jumping to conclusions. Haha
I just purchased that green hot water heater It’s amazing ❕. A 10th of what my 10 year old hot water heater would constantly draw when heating But this thing will kick into a mode or something while in energy mode and draw just as much as my old water heater 🤯 And this heater blows super cold air ❕❕❕
You have to just set it in heat pump mode. If it is set in hybrid mode, the elements will kick in when the air is too cool around it to use the heat pump.
Put one of those on my main panel and sub in workshop last year. We are getting solar and this has been valuable for finding out where is being used. Also the smart switches are nice as well as with our old house we have circuits that are all over the place - so like knowing how much my home office uses with computer, printer, monitors, etc. Also the plugs you can set schedules for getting rid of phantom usages like Smart TV, etc. We turn off that plug over night to get rid of the phantom power. I like switching from watts to currency to see how much each major appliance uses per day, week, month. Also ties into Home Assistant nicely.
As an electrician I'm in an older home with new appliances I figured getting this with my smart home setup would be fun and better my home it works but zero smart functionality you do use ur smart phone to review ur power and it works I just thought it would be more to it smart home wise but the sys is ok this sys also takes a few weeks to learn you and ur families habits around the house so just setup and do it normal day to day and check it out in a month or so
🤣 i can relate... i too am an architect and had designed my dream home but God closed the doors on me as well and now we're living in a 43 yr old house. He seems to deal architects very similar hands.
I need to find a channel that actually bought these and were not given to them, so I can get an honest opinion, I never trust sponsored videos, since they have to stick to the companies talking points. Especially when the channel does not let the viewers know its sponsored. ( sponsored is paid in either money, goods or services for the review) he got free stuff.
I have used gen 1 for many years and I just installed gen 3. It is a great system and it is exactly what I need before I can design and install a solar system.
That is fascinating. I can definitely see how useful this could be. I may have missed it, but does the unit store use data? So you can maybe look at use over time of specific circuits? Thanks for sharing! 🤠
I have these Setup on Multiple Breaker boxes and they provide great analytics for managing power usage , However my biggest issue with them is the wires are a lot and if you have a full panel cannot always be easily cleaned up . otherwise great tool !
@@CountryLivingExperience smaller cables would be cleaner ... I'm sure the eventual future will be some kind of Integrated panel or breakers with cts built in but the cable management is a pain!
I’m interested in the product but that spaghetti mess in the panel is no bueno. You can’t even close the cover (a code violation). I bet one could run all the wires into an adjacent junction box, which would make it both more organized, and legal.
This is an awesome solution for tracking power generation and usage. I've looked at this solution and the "Sense Energy Monitor" solution and both have great reviews. I'd really like to see this type of solution integrated into a DIY breaker panel
I’d put in an auxiliary box and run the sensor wires from the CT’s to the “brain” mounted in the new box. Reason being that your distribution panel fill is now close to if not over capacity per NEC. Plus it’d be much cleaner and professional.
What if I have 3 phase/3live wire main circuit breaker and supplying to 3 sets of 3 phase/ 3live wire sub circuit breaker. How the CT sensor should be clip?
Thank you for posting , very helpful. Regarding the heat pump water heater, are those units required to have a certain amount of square foot available. I understand they require a lot of airflow to run and possibly could take hot air out of the space / room they are located within.
@@CountryLivingExperience Just found your channel today and I am binging on the content. Being you are likely in NE Texas you are probably using AC parts of 10 months of the year I would suggest just keeping the door open to your mechanical area. As an alternative you could also use a small 3" brushless type fan to distribute the cool air from your air source heat pump water heater if the temperature delta becomes an issue.
Good youtube! However, the problems for me is the data goes to Emporia cloud servers and 2) a phone is needed. Respectfully - these days - I don't allow any of my home data out to the cloud / external company because it's not secure and I'm sure they're selling the info.
Thanks for thie video, I have two questions. 1, does the manual specify weather or not this meter will work in a 220V AC system? 2, does the unit connect to your Wi-Fi so that you can remotely monitor and log your usage? Thanks
You will be surprised as I was when I started monitoring my usage. Go with the weekly or monthly usages. My water heater used more monthly than my HVAC in the West Texas sun in the summer. I had a spare router I put in the garage with the AC panel. It didn't make the hook up to the vue any easier. I'm a computer guy so I use the web app to name the sensors.
Wondered how your 6500EX's are doing. Seeing a lot of complaints of them causing flickering lights and some software issues. SS support problems as well. What is your experience?
They are doing well. We have some flickering lights occasionally but they are lower grade led bulbs. Signature Solar's owner James did a video about the lights and showed that even the SolArk made some lights flicker.
Your fridge and hot water tank are closed loop electric heat system completely contained within your house. In cold climates changing to a more energy efficient fridge or HWT just pushes your heating demand to your furnace. And you now used a lot of energy to make new appliances and the old ones will end up in a landfill. A few more generations and people might actually figure it out.
That is true but a fridge will benefit you in the winter with heat generated to cool it but will work against you in the summer. So a more efficient one will help all around in the long run. The problem is you will never see a return in savings or on investment because Al of the new stuff is junk in 5-6 years. So it’s a catch 22.
How did you configure the plugs for your solar? I'm running 90% of the house on solar minus the largest items, those are still ran off grid. I'd like to know did you figure a way to monitor both before you went completely off grid or did you just wait and monitored solely solar once it was up and running?
In your Amazon links, the safety switch is only rated for 30A but your breakers are 70A. Since the 2 inverters can push up to 70 and I’m assuming that is the intention since 4 gauge wire was run, shouldn’t the safety switch also be rated for 70A? Thanks for all the info.
I have a generator interlock kit. My solar works as a generator. In order to do this, they must be next to each other. From what I have read and studied, it does not need to be the furthest away.
@@CountryLivingExperience I tend to agree with you about some other very respectable RUclipsrs emphasize the opposite position as bring correct. I've seen countless panels with the main and generator breakers in closer proximity to each other.
I can’t find your update video. I too upgraded my water heater to the proTerra heat pump, and finished installing a vertical loop Geothermal system. My power consumption always seems out of the park from what I use, so I really want to track it down and see if there is something bleeding to ground. I found many of your videos by accident because seems like I am a step behind you, so I decided to subscribe. Thanks for the videos and hope to find the update. Maybe a year update might be warranted?!?🫣
We have not done an update yet. When I get the chance I will try to do one. Glad our videos are helpful. If you have any questions about the Emporia, let me know and I will try to answer them before I attempt a follow up video.
Could you find out, if this company or any company, makes a monitoring unit like this, that can be used on DC power, such as Solar Panels, so we can monitor and log the output of EACH Solar Panel Independently, to log power output hourly, daily, per panel, etc.?
you are correct micro inverters such as enphase offer that capability but i want to find an add on product that can do it for stringinverter panel arrays so just put ct clamps on each solar panel and have a microcomputer monitor and log - and hopefully can view over internet to monitor the health of each panel i hope you can find such a product if not it would be a big opportunity for someone to create such a product i suspect every diyer will want to purchase one (or more)
@@Just_An_Idea_For_Consideration The CT's have to be powered to measure DC current using "hall effect" so it's a bit more complicated hardware wise to monitor.
It's a bit unsettling how people are doing this themselves getting into the breaker box like this. Things like torque screw drivers and tightening to spec as stated on the breaker, are things completely overlooked, for example. Also, some might not make a pigtail, and instead figure they can just "add" a wire. Rookie things like that. And good grief the wire mess...
Hello - Anyone use this device to compare against the grid meter for accuracy? I am in middle of installing solar panels so I started measuring appliance usages via plug level BALDR energy watt/amp usage devices. I shut all breakers off but one and used a space heater to test. Appears my grid meter is indicating more KW usage than the space heater usage via the BALDR meter devices. I'm also in Texas on a Co-Op so only one provider.
I doubt "the state" is monitoring ordinary citizens. .....now, if your usage is 5x what your neighboring suburban neighbors use then the cops probably think you're running a weed growing operation. Couple of decades ago DEA in conjunction with local cops flew FLIR equipped aircraft over neighborhoods looking for heat signatures from houses. Results were amazing. Grow houses showed up like volcanos amidst a sea of ice.
Try this one and let me know what happens.....shop.emporiaenergy.com/discount/CountryLivingExperience?redirect=/products/gen-2-emporia-vue-with-16-sensors-bundle
Watched your last video. You look like you've dropped some weight. Wanted to make sure you are ok. Prayers are powerful. Will send some your way anyways :)
@@timcastle6996 I always appreciate prayer. I am the same weight as I have always been (relatively). Maybe it was the lighting or the way I was standing on camera.
I just picked up a 3rd gen Vue. I'll be adding it to my new box when I get the time to do a much needed service change at my house.
We have used Emporia for over a year now. Love it. Just wish we would get a second one to run the house circuits we don't have monitored.
I also suggest taping the Emporia sensor wires to the Emporia hub. We had some come out so we lost connection to some sensors. Also our wiring box is a bit crowded.
Ditto. I have been using mine for a year now to learn how we are using electricity. Especially over-night usage to really figure out battery capacity needs.
I do wish they monitored more circuits. Would like to see this integrated into the circuit breakers!
@@Mike80528 I think it is possible to use two in the same account, just not sure. Second could use the 'mains' for solar monitoring too I believe (or input from an inverter kind of thing).
Thank you. Great tip on taping the sensors.
I could see taking this to balance your load also. Thanks again.
Absolutely
Does an expensive smart panel provide a better and neater installation with active control of circuits? I am actually confused
In US most house have a single phase electrical system with a center tap from the transformer. This is how one gets 120 VAC for most of the appliances and 240 VAC for the dryer. That is single phase electrical system. There are three phase electrical system in large applications or industrial uses. There is no such thing as two phase electrical system. In Europe it is the same, the only difference is that in Europe they don't use the middle tap on the transformer so they have single phase 220 VAC or three phase systems.
Thanks for the video. I have purchased the 16 circuit version and will be installing it tomorrow when my wife is gone for lunch with some ladies from Church. I have 18 circuits in the main panel and have narrowed down to the 16 to be monitored. The reason for monitoring is my estimate of 28-32 panels have jumped way up to 60 panels.
On the manual, my pamphlet directed me to download the app for my phone and walk through it. The app is okay but not beginner friendly (which is okay for me since I am familiar with wiring). I also have labeled each CT with same label I assigned it in the app. Keeping it simple saves future Brent from jumping to conclusions. Haha
You're welcome. Glad you got it all connected.
I just purchased that green hot water heater It’s amazing ❕. A 10th of what my 10 year old hot water heater would constantly draw when heating
But this thing will kick into a mode or something while in energy mode and draw just as much as my old water heater 🤯 And this heater blows super cold air ❕❕❕
You have to just set it in heat pump mode. If it is set in hybrid mode, the elements will kick in when the air is too cool around it to use the heat pump.
@@CountryLivingExperience the water heaters in my basement with my wood stove and the air temps from 65-90 degrees
Interesting. It should not switch back to the hybrid mode then. Maybe there is a glitch in the computer.
The app has step by step instructions on installation. It makes it super easy to use.
Put one of those on my main panel and sub in workshop last year. We are getting solar and this has been valuable for finding out where is being used. Also the smart switches are nice as well as with our old house we have circuits that are all over the place - so like knowing how much my home office uses with computer, printer, monitors, etc. Also the plugs you can set schedules for getting rid of phantom usages like Smart TV, etc. We turn off that plug over night to get rid of the phantom power. I like switching from watts to currency to see how much each major appliance uses per day, week, month. Also ties into Home Assistant nicely.
Awesome
As an electrician I'm in an older home with new appliances I figured getting this with my smart home setup would be fun and better my home it works but zero smart functionality you do use ur smart phone to review ur power and it works I just thought it would be more to it smart home wise but the sys is ok this sys also takes a few weeks to learn you and ur families habits around the house so just setup and do it normal day to day and check it out in a month or so
It certainly takes a while to learn your loads and habits. A month is a good amount of time to learn for sure.
🤣 i can relate... i too am an architect and had designed my dream home but God closed the doors on me as well and now we're living in a 43 yr old house. He seems to deal architects very similar hands.
Amen to that!
They work great had mine for 2 years not only use it for the grid coming in which don't have much power coming from the grid anymore
Awesome
I need to find a channel that actually bought these and were not given to them, so I can get an honest opinion, I never trust sponsored videos, since they have to stick to the companies talking points. Especially when the channel does not let the viewers know its sponsored. ( sponsored is paid in either money, goods or services for the review) he got free stuff.
I have used gen 1 for many years and I just installed gen 3. It is a great system and it is exactly what I need before I can design and install a solar system.
That is fascinating. I can definitely see how useful this could be. I may have missed it, but does the unit store use data? So you can maybe look at use over time of specific circuits? Thanks for sharing! 🤠
You're welcome. The unit stores all the data and will send it to you via email if you want. Yes, you can track specific circuits over time.
@@CountryLivingExperience as at this moment, would you recommend the purchase of this package over sense and other products ?
@@evolve2survive324 Yes, I would. I like it so far.
I have these Setup on Multiple Breaker boxes and they provide great analytics for managing power usage , However my biggest issue with them is the wires are a lot and if you have a full panel cannot always be easily cleaned up .
otherwise great tool !
For sure. I am actually going to contact the company and see if they can include some sensors with 3' wires, some with 2', and some with 1'.
@@CountryLivingExperience smaller cables would be cleaner ... I'm sure the eventual future will be some kind of Integrated panel or breakers with cts built in but the cable management is a pain!
I’m interested in the product but that spaghetti mess in the panel is no bueno. You can’t even close the cover (a code violation).
I bet one could run all the wires into an adjacent junction box, which would make it both more organized, and legal.
This is an awesome solution for tracking power generation and usage. I've looked at this solution and the "Sense Energy Monitor" solution and both have great reviews. I'd really like to see this type of solution integrated into a DIY breaker panel
I love it so far. Lot's of information produced by it.
Can be monitored remotely, outside the wi-fi?
I’d put in an auxiliary box and run the sensor wires from the CT’s to the “brain” mounted in the new box. Reason being that your distribution panel fill is now close to if not over capacity per NEC. Plus it’d be much cleaner and professional.
I'll ask the manufacturer about the NEC rule.
Can you share a picture after the final panel board organization ? Eng Adriano
Sorry, pictures cannot be shared on RUclips. The video shows everything.
What if I have 3 phase/3live wire main circuit breaker and supplying to 3 sets of 3 phase/ 3live wire sub circuit breaker. How the CT sensor should be clip?
I don't think you can use these for 3 phase.
Thank you for posting , very helpful. Regarding the heat pump water heater, are those units required to have a certain amount of square foot available. I understand they require a lot of airflow to run and possibly could take hot air out of the space / room they are located within.
Not sure about the sf requirement if any. It should draw fine even in a smaller space. You can always duct it to the outside if there is a concern.
@@CountryLivingExperience Just found your channel today and I am binging on the content. Being you are likely in NE Texas you are probably using AC parts of 10 months of the year I would suggest just keeping the door open to your mechanical area. As an alternative you could also use a small 3" brushless type fan to distribute the cool air from your air source heat pump water heater if the temperature delta becomes an issue.
Good youtube! However, the problems for me is the data goes to Emporia cloud servers and 2) a phone is needed. Respectfully - these days - I don't allow any of my home data out to the cloud / external company because it's not secure and I'm sure they're selling the info.
Have you tried adding a wireway to the flushmount main load panel to the inverters? Having trouble doing that so it looks clean.
I have not added one yet. Just flexible conduit.
I monitor every kilowatt I use.. what appliances use how much.. and what to run when.. been doing that for years now.. ❤💯
Awesome
Thanks for thie video, I have two questions. 1, does the manual specify weather or not this meter will work in a 220V AC system? 2, does the unit connect to your Wi-Fi so that you can remotely monitor and log your usage?
Thanks
Yes, it works with 220 as long as the amperage is correct. It is connected to wifi.
@@CountryLivingExperience great product, good price, Thanks for the review!!
@@yachelcrofts9609 You're welcome
You will be surprised as I was when I started monitoring my usage. Go with the weekly or monthly usages. My water heater used more monthly than my HVAC in the West Texas sun in the summer. I had a spare router I put in the garage with the AC panel. It didn't make the hook up to the vue any easier. I'm a computer guy so I use the web app to name the sensors.
You're right. I am already surprised. The water heater is such an energy hog!
Wondered how your 6500EX's are doing. Seeing a lot of complaints of them causing flickering lights and some software issues. SS support problems as well. What is your experience?
They are doing well. We have some flickering lights occasionally but they are lower grade led bulbs. Signature Solar's owner James did a video about the lights and showed that even the SolArk made some lights flicker.
This is pretty cool, kind of wish they had integration with Apple HomeKit, the data could be used for automations and notifications
That would be cool too. They can add a lot to this in the future.
Your fridge and hot water tank are closed loop electric heat system completely contained within your house. In cold climates changing to a more energy efficient fridge or HWT just pushes your heating demand to your furnace. And you now used a lot of energy to make new appliances and the old ones will end up in a landfill. A few more generations and people might actually figure it out.
That is true but a fridge will benefit you in the winter with heat generated to cool it but will work against you in the summer. So a more efficient one will help all around in the long run. The problem is you will never see a return in savings or on investment because Al of the new stuff is junk in 5-6 years. So it’s a catch 22.
@@zacharywhite8230 Absolutely true. Those energy efficient components are really fragile compared to the more robust ones used many years ago.
For the solar breakers the arrow need to point the opposite direction since that breaker is back-feeding into the breaker box correct?
The main leads would go on the solar input conductors the same way you would connect them to the grid input conductors.
Did you ever record a follow-up review video on the Emporia Vue Gen 2?
We didn't yet. What would you like to know about it.
How did you configure the plugs for your solar? I'm running 90% of the house on solar minus the largest items, those are still ran off grid. I'd like to know did you figure a way to monitor both before you went completely off grid or did you just wait and monitored solely solar once it was up and running?
How did you turn off the obnoxious beep when changing settings on your EG4 inverters?
Setting 18 and 22 will shut off the alarms
If I ask you a question about this power monitor you installed in your breaker box would you answer my questions?
Sure. What's up?
Single phase. We skipped "two phase" for some reason.
In your Amazon links, the safety switch is only rated for 30A but your breakers are 70A. Since the 2 inverters can push up to 70 and I’m assuming that is the intention since 4 gauge wire was run, shouldn’t the safety switch also be rated for 70A?
Thanks for all the info.
It was originally a 60Amp. Amazon changed the link. I have not updated it yet. This happens when something goes out of stock.
@@CountryLivingExperience thanks. I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something.
Why is the solar breaker high in the panel. I thought it should be furthest away from the main?
I have a generator interlock kit. My solar works as a generator. In order to do this, they must be next to each other. From what I have read and studied, it does not need to be the furthest away.
@@CountryLivingExperience I tend to agree with you about some other very respectable RUclipsrs emphasize the opposite position as bring correct. I've seen countless panels with the main and generator breakers in closer proximity to each other.
I can’t find your update video. I too upgraded my water heater to the proTerra heat pump, and finished installing a vertical loop Geothermal system. My power consumption always seems out of the park from what I use, so I really want to track it down and see if there is something bleeding to ground. I found many of your videos by accident because seems like I am a step behind you, so I decided to subscribe. Thanks for the videos and hope to find the update. Maybe a year update might be warranted?!?🫣
We have not done an update yet. When I get the chance I will try to do one. Glad our videos are helpful.
If you have any questions about the Emporia, let me know and I will try to answer them before I attempt a follow up video.
Could you find out, if this company or any company, makes a monitoring unit like this, that can be used on DC power, such as Solar Panels, so we can monitor and log the output of EACH Solar Panel Independently, to log power output hourly, daily, per panel, etc.?
Very interesting. I have not seen one but I will ask around. Maybe microinverters or optimizers would do that for each panel.
you are correct micro inverters such as enphase offer that capability
but i want to find an add on product
that can do it for stringinverter panel arrays
so just put ct clamps on each solar panel and have a microcomputer monitor and log - and hopefully can view over internet
to monitor the health of each panel
i hope you can find such a product
if not it would be a big opportunity for someone to create such a product
i suspect every diyer will want to purchase one (or more)
@@Just_An_Idea_For_Consideration The CT's have to be powered to measure DC current using "hall effect" so it's a bit more complicated hardware wise to monitor.
Can i get notifications when a breaker is tripped?
No, not that I know of. You would just see the circuit not using any power.
It's a bit unsettling how people are doing this themselves getting into the breaker box like this. Things like torque screw drivers and tightening to spec as stated on the breaker, are things completely overlooked, for example. Also, some might not make a pigtail, and instead figure they can just "add" a wire. Rookie things like that. And good grief the wire mess...
Love it
How many amps is 44%?
Also, the smart plugs get added to the 16 sensors to see all the loads added in 1 total compsuption report?
Not sure about the amps. I was looking at it in watts.
Yes, the smart plugs get added in and you can see them in the total report.
@@CountryLivingExperience how many watts?
@@AutoTechElectronic It is a percentage of the total. I didn't pay attention to exactly what my draw was at that moment in time.
Hello - Anyone use this device to compare against the grid meter for accuracy? I am in middle of installing solar panels so I started measuring appliance usages via plug level BALDR energy watt/amp usage devices. I shut all breakers off but one and used a space heater to test. Appears my grid meter is indicating more KW usage than the space heater usage via the BALDR meter devices. I'm also in Texas on a Co-Op so only one provider.
I have not done a comparison. It wouldn't surprise me if the co-op was stealing extra money because of inaccuracies.
Mark, is your co-op hilco I'm having the same problem.
Have smart meter. We assume the state is monitoring our energy usage and will just turn things off if they want to. 😉
They will get you anyway.
I doubt "the state" is monitoring ordinary citizens.
.....now, if your usage is 5x what your neighboring suburban neighbors use then the cops probably think you're running a weed growing operation.
Couple of decades ago DEA in conjunction with local cops flew FLIR equipped aircraft over neighborhoods looking for heat signatures from houses. Results were amazing. Grow houses showed up like volcanos amidst a sea of ice.
@@willbass2869 until it was found unconstitutional by invasion of privacy.
Your link doen't open the product you have, it opens the main page on the site.
Thanks for the heads up. I'll look at the link. Did you find the product on the site?
Did the discount code for the vue 2 expire? At checkout it says it’s invalid!
It shouldn't have. Let me check with the company and get back to you.
Try this one and let me know what happens.....shop.emporiaenergy.com/discount/CountryLivingExperience?redirect=/products/gen-2-emporia-vue-with-16-sensors-bundle
@CountryLivingExperience discount still isn't showing up at checkout. I'm wanting the 8 sensor package though, not the 16. Thanks
@@CountryLivingExperience discount still doesn’t show up at checkout. I’m wanting the 8 sensor not the 16 though. Thanks.
It may take the company a few days to get back to me.
Where is the discount code
It should be automatically applied when you click on the link I provided.
@@CountryLivingExperience ahh ok. Yes if I go to checkout it's there
or try CountryLivingExperience
Were have you been have not seen you in a while......
Still here. Still releasing 2 videos per week.
How is your health brother?
Great. Why?
Watched your last video. You look like you've dropped some weight. Wanted to make sure you are ok. Prayers are powerful. Will send some your way anyways :)
@@timcastle6996 I always appreciate prayer. I am the same weight as I have always been (relatively). Maybe it was the lighting or the way I was standing on camera.
May be.
review?
I'll check with the company about the discount code. It should work fine if you use the link.
@@CountryLivingExperience my bad- it only shows up at the checkout
you convinced me not to buy these and this is actually very dangerous
What a mess. Hard pass.
Lol