*PART 2 OF THIS VIDEO HERE:* ruclips.net/video/EJTPe7aBxz4/видео.html I made a follow-on to this video, as several fairly big things happened in the world of Outrun 2 in the 8 or so months after I'd uploaded it. There were also a few little additions I wanted to make to the Outrun 30th Anniversary video I made back in 2016, so thought I might as well add those in too. Also, I managed to get involved in some online multiplayer on the PS3 game a few weeks ago, check out one of the races here: ruclips.net/video/PdClIKIIduQ/видео.html If you enjoyed my look back at this series, why not check out my thoughts on *Sonic & All-Star Racing Transformed* - one of my favourite games of the last 10 years ruclips.net/video/GjRYcG5rH2k/видео.html How about another classic Sega franchise - the *Wonder Boy* games (including a review of Monster Boy the latest modern day addition): ruclips.net/video/QM0pRVgp7_A/видео.html Also, more gaming documentaries from me: *25 Years of Daytona USA - The Game, The Legacy, The Complete History:* ruclips.net/video/cqzn60DGhqI/видео.html *Outrun (by Sega) 30th Birthday Tribute - The game, the legacy!* -ruclips.net/video/zJ0462V9cao/видео.html *30 Years of After Burner by Sega - the game, the legacy:* - ruclips.net/video/ZGEP1eJN8Q0/видео.html *Sega Model 3 & The Dreamcast - WTF Went Wrong?!?* ruclips.net/video/jdfIdHlAh_I/видео.html
I got asked on a non-English speaking form if I could recap the pros and cons of each version in text form. I thought I might as well add what I wrote there to the comments here as well: With the exception of the PSP all versions of the game ran at 60fps -Xbox Outrun 2: Arguably the best looking 6th Generation console version of the game; can display in 480p anamorphic widescreen and upscales nicely into 720p when played on an Xbox 360 (although does suffer from some occasional frame rate judder and sometimes problems when transitioning from one course to another on 360). Contained the original 15 OR2 tracks and 12 cars (4 more than the arcade Chihiro game) and lots of original mission modes and challenges. It also contained two bonus courses that weren't subsequently included in Coast 2 Coast or Outrun Online Arcade, made up of tracks from the old Sega arcade racers Scud Race and Daytona USA 2. The Japanese Xbox version of the original Outrun 2 had some cosmetic and minor gameplay changes made to the bonus stages to make them look and play more accurately to the Scud Race and Daytona 2 arcade games, so the Japanese version is arguably the best version of Outrun 2. There's no force feedback ability if you're using a wheel, but outstanding controls with an Xbox Joypad, with incredibly intuitive rumble that lets you feel all the gear changes and bumps in the road. Easy to use system link (for I think a maximum of 6 players?) if you've got multiple Xboxs with a good stable game connection throughout. To me, feels like the hardest version of the game. The hard level cars actually feel hard to control, especially with manual transmission. Also contained a bonus unlockable version of the original 1986 Outrun. -Coast 2 Coast on consoles: Although C2C didn't include the bonus stages from Outrun 2, it did include all 15 stages from the original arcade version of Outrun 2 and the 15 new stages from Outrun 2 SP. It also included extra cars (bringing the total up to 15) and special souped up versions of all the regular cars. Whereas the original Outrun 2 had been an Xbox exclusive, the home ports of Outrun 2 SP were multi-system, with the original Xbox, PS2, PSP (and later PC) receiving a version of the game. Allegedly, this lead to a slight reduction in the quality of the graphics on the Xbox port, as the game was developed as a multi-platform title that had to account for the PS2 and PSP which weren’t as graphically powerful as the Xbox. I was always under the impression though that the slight quality drop was due to the fact that Coast 2 Coast just contained so much more content than the original Outrun 2, so some compromises had to be made. It's not super noticeable, but the anti-aliasing on the cars seems a tiny bit more jaggy and the draw distance on the road markings isn't quite so good. Not sure about the PSP, but both OG Xbox and PS2 support widescreen 480p with the OG Xbox version being once again backwards compatible with 360, and unlike the original OR2, running with no glitches that I could notice and looking nice upscaled to 720p. Original Xbox is the best looking console version with PS2 coming 2nd and PSP 3rd. The Japanese version of C2C on the PS2 had it's name changed back to Outrun 2 SP and had some end of stage animations from the arcade version of OR2SP added back in that are missing from all the other home versions and also some extra music too. It's also the only version of C2C that has working force feedback for steering wheels. I can't comment on the control on the 2 PlayStation games, but with a pad, Coast 2 Coast handles just as well as Outrun 2. The Xbox system link option is as equally easy to set-up as OR2 and offers an equally good stable connection. The game also had a load of challenge and mission modes, with the nice touch that some of them would feature courses that would mix and match stages from both SP and OR2. Coast 2 Coast also added in the ability to slipstream the CPU traffic and rivals and featured some new animations in the bunki sections of the game (where you transition from one stage to the next) that would differ depending on how well you did in the stage. Arguably easier than OR2. Collisions are punished far more severely in Outrun 2, with the player losing a lot of speed if you drift into traffic or a CPU opponent. Coast 2 Coast by comparison seems to allow you to pretty much plough through other cars, trucks and buses with only minimal speed loss. Hard level cars feel a fair bit easier to control in this version too. It also adds in a Marathon mode allowing you to race all 15 SP or OR2 tracks back-to-back. Also features a special dusk mode for the first Palm Beach course from OR2 and a night mode for the Sunny Beach stage from OR2SP when played in Time Attack. -Coast 2 Coast on PC: Contains all the content of the console versions. The first true HD version of the game, supporting resolutions up to 1080p, however it didn’t include any bloom effects (the optical effect where light from a bright source, such as a the Sun, appears to leak into surrounding objects) The PC version of Coast 2 Coast featured no rumble functionality whatsoever for joypads and was not optimised for racing wheels. You could plug your wheel in and use it, but the game would treat it the same as a joypad, meaning there was a massive deadzone on the wheel’s X axis. You can set-up a wireless LAN using the PC version of C2C very easily, but the connection is very temperamental and prone to failing. The in game timers will get out of sync, cars will warp all over the screen, PCs will totally de-sync. Members of the gaming community were able to help fix these shortcomings though. The OR2 FXT hack (created by Howard Casto) added rumble for joypads, corrected the deadzone in racing wheels and also added force feedback to the game. The hack also allows you to swap out music in the game and change the appearance of parts of the in game menus to appear more arcade like as well as lots of other stuff. Sometime after this it was discovered that the bloom effects actually were in the PC version of Outrun Coast 2 Coast, but were contained in an incorrect folder when the game installed. By simply cutting and pasting a file called lens flare offset.bin from the game’s media folder into the games common folder, it enabled the effects! With all these fixes added to the game it is now arguably the best version of Coast 2 Coast. -Outrun Online Arcade (PS3 & Xbox 360): A digital only version of the game that contained only the 15 SP tracks, as well as a reduction in the number of cars back to 10 and a reduced selection of tunes. Displays in 720p HD, but looks significantly better than the PC version as it has superior bloom effects (it looks way better, even with the bloom effects in the correct folder and working on the PC). The bloom here looks a lot nicer than the Xbox versions of OR2 and Coast 2 Coast as well (It's been mentioned to me that the Xbox version of Coast also has issues with it's bloom - the sun is completely missing in the OG Xbox version for the OutRun 2 SP courses, most notably, in the opening Sunny Beach stage the Sun is suppose to be visible and shining when you climb the first hill). Despite being a highly stripped down version of Coast 2 Coast the game did feature the end of course animations that were missing in all the other versions of Coast 2 Coast, apart from the Japanese PS2, and it also featured force feedback for racing wheels too. It also lets you play the Heart attack mission modes and features the 15 stage Marathon mode. I've never played the 360 version, but playing on a PS3 with a pad, the rumble functions are extremely week, to the point I can barely feel it do anything with the settings at maximum (also I hate playing racing games using the R2 and L2 triggers on a Dualshock 3 pad, your fingers constantly feel like they want to slip off them). Despite the lack of rumble, the game handles really well and has the easier handling of C2C rather than OR2. Was playable online back in the day, but no local system link options. Has been de-listed now, so you can no longer purchase it from PSN or XBLA. -Outrun 2 SPDX (Teknoparrot): The actual arcade version of Outrun 2 SP DX hacked to run on Windows 10 PCs. I own Windows 7 so haven't been able to play it (boo!) but from what I see it's just as nice looking as Outrun Online Arcade (in terms of bloom) and it's got ALL 15 OR2 and SP stages in and you can play it in resolutions up to 4K. Also supports FFB and network play. Doesn't feature all the content from Coast 2 Coast, with some cars missing and none of the challenge modes. The graphics can apparently be problematic when played in Tekknoparrot without certain downloadable fixes.
Two things of note. The testerossa in Outrun 2 arcade has a different appearance (Big grill look). This look made it onto the Xbox Outrun demo on the computer controlled cars but the car you select (and in all versions after) was the one we all recall seeing. Also, PS2 port of OOA was obviously graphically weaker but an AMAZING achievement. Same with PSP (the devs intentionally sacrificed speed for looks). Also, the jPS2 Outrun 2SP features arcade-accurate scoring for Outrun mode (2006 for some reason halved the points for traffic you passed)
@@Noobsaibot21 Interesting (RUclips seems to be really hit and miss at the moment at actually notifying me on replies to comments, I've only just seen this comment).
@@Noobsaibot21 I've just update the video description with this bit of extra info you mentioned about the Testarossa. I'd totally forgotten you'd mentioned it here, derp.
I want sega to port outrun 2 over to PS4, Xbox one, switch, and PC. Heck I want them to make a new outrun game, this game is my favorite racing/driving game of all time.
@Yu Tubaru yeah Mario kart is a fine game but it's no Sega racer unfortunately no attitude no punk rock/tropical music Mario Kart is an entertaining game to play but it will never surpass sega's racers
Use the name ENTIRETY as a license name but cancel and you will have everything unlock with no linking on the PS2 and PSP versions. This game is a blast on PS2 and looks pretty impressive for a game on a 6 year old system at the time in my opinion.
Fun fact: The Drifting, Avoid Crashing Into Stuff, Cut Through Lines and Collecting Stuff missions were reused in Sonic Sega All Stars Racing, Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed and Team Sonic Racing. but changed up for the unique mission like avoid breaking pots as Big in SASASR, drift on areas in various levels in SAASRT and go between robots in TSR. It's Interesting to see Sega and Sumo Digital's first team up before Sonic's true racing games.
I have the PS2 Coast 2 Coast version, yoi csn unlock everything by just entering two cheat codes on the driver's license. No need for the PSP version. The game runs at 60 FPS with few small dips when there's many cars on certain stages. The game looks good on my CRT, crisp and colorful, easily the best looking PS2 game.
It goes without saying Mr Thunderwing's videos are the absolute BEST vids to watch when it comes to all things Sega arcade racers, and this video simply re-inforces that fact! Other than your 30th Anniversary Vid, this is the greatest OR2 vid on YT and is a MUST WATCH for any OR2 fan. I've learned a lot about Sega's arcade racers that I didn't know before, from watching your vids bro. Keep them coming and keep up the great work!! Everyone that watches this vid needs to like and subscribe ASAP!!!!!
This is my favourite game of all time, glad to see such a thoroughly comprehensive study on all it's various versions. I think I might have to try and get a copy of the PC version.
I can confirm that Teknoparrot fixed the shadow and sun issues like two days ago and also audio issues with Lindbergh have been addressed as well. Both this game and Virtua Fighter 5 are both playable properly now. Still need Windows 10 however. The devs did mention too that they plan to incorporate TP Online for OutRun 2 SDX which will mean that you can play the game online via steam. Just like Initial D and Mario Kart Arcade GP DX
Very comprehensive video look across the different versions of OutRun 2/SP/C2C. As someone who's just rediscovered their love of the OR series, I appreciate the excellent and detailed breakdown!
I've always played the PC version until recently when I tried the PS2 version. What's amazing about the PC version is that it's able to run on a potato while still looking good. Even my 12 year old budget Pentium Dual Core laptop runs it flawlessly.
This video doesn't cover one of the most important differences to me, the *audio.* The PC version has distractingly bad sound balance, with some sounds like the engine being half as loud as they should be, and other sounds like the "whoosh" from passing cars being way too loud. It sounds like a nitpick, but it makes it very difficult for me to play that version because of how i work. The English release of Coast 2 Coast has a lot of problems with music looping, with all the Genesis music fading out and restarting even in a normal 5-track race. The JP version adds full looping to those as well as the 7 normal OR2 songs, so they're seamless even in 15-track continuous. This is another thing that's really important to me, since 15-track is the best mode, and nothing ruins the groove like a fadeout into 10 seconds of silence twice per race. (I'm not sure if the PC version has looped music or not, the other thing bugged me too much for me to check...) My personal opinion after trying them all is *the JP PS2 version (OutRun 2 SP) is the best one,* since it has the bonus songs, the best audio, the ending animations, and all the C2C content. Running it on emulator lets you play it in HD, which isn't quite as nice as the actual HD versions but it looks good enough to me! It supports force feedback wheels too on PS2, though i dunno if that works in an emulator (i don't have one to try it on). Also important... *it just works*, unlike the endless tweaking you need to do on PC/Teknoparrot. The only thing i feel like i'm missing is that awesome route editor on PC, but oh well!
Hmmmm, that's interesting, I've never noticed any massive differences in the audio between the PC and console versions. The main thing I noticed was the SFX being a bit too quiet in the PC game, but that was something you could adjust in game. The cars have never sounded too loud to me with the overtaking noises, I wonder if it could be a difference in your PC audio setup to mine? Over the years I stopped listening to anything except the 3 OG Outrun tunes, so the issues with the other ones looping isn't something I was especially aware of. I agree about the _just works_ thing, that's definitely a massive plus point in a game's favour 👍
I have the PS2 Coast to Coast I bought back in 2006 and the online arcade I bought in 2009. Fingers permanently crossed my PS3 never dies. It's one of my all time faves. Great vid mate 👍
I found a peculiar arcade machine in Greece: the cabinet itself was adorned with the title "Outrun 2017 Coast 2 Coast" but in game it was called "Outrun 2016 Coast 2 Coast". The menu looked just like Outrun 2006 but every time I played it no matter what I did on the menu it went straight for Outrun 2 SP, also it seemed to run on Windows hardware.
Interesting. It sounds like it's probably a pirate machine running the PC game rather than the proper Chihiro version of Outrun 2 (or Lindbergh version of Outrun 2 SPDX)
I had a similar experience here in the Philippines. The machine was located at an arcade which was inside a resort and casino. The Outrun 2019 machine was featured prominently in an ad located inside the casino. The game was pretty much the same as what King Harkinian found, but what pissed me off the most is that all the music in the game was changed to some obnoxious Chinese music.
Great watch! I fell down this rabbit hole recently after getting a Sony PVM monitor and an Xbox RGB cable to see the Xbox version of 2 running at its best. After spending a week trying to get both an actual copy and then (out of frustration) a "totally legal" copy of the PC version of C2C to work on Windows 10 to mixed results and / failure, I bit the bullet and snagged one of the pricy Xbox copies of C2C (it was CeX and yes there was a PS2 copy for £8 a few shelves down!) but it's a great instance of a rare game being worth the price if you actually want to play it. Plus, having the luxury of playing it on a 360 both on the PVM and a modern display has been great and I can't put it down. I generally only play with a pad so I was happy to settle with Xbox C2C. That said, I will say it's probably worth noting that the PC version of C2C, when I did get it to run, works great with BetterJoyForCemu and I was able to use a Switch Pro Controller with the same layout as a Xbox 360 controller which was a great fit.
While 2006 has extra stuff like more tracks+music, I still like the simplicity of the original Outrun 2. I can start it up and start playing a game much faster without having to click through a whole bunch of stuff in the menus for 2006.
I honestly dont think you can go wrong with any version of Outrun2/2006. The best looking versions is the Arcade on TeknoParrot, and the emulated version of online Arcade on RPCS3, both run flawless as well at 60 fps and no frame rate issues. The emulated PS2 version is interesting because that has plenty of content and has lan support, the JP version took out the online/lan support, but you get 4 extra songs.
Actually in the psp older games did not have the full procesing power of the psp unlocked by design but this can be done on this day with homebrew, i set the default psp cpu lock to 333/166 and coas2coast runs at 60fps with no drops.
Also worth noting that playing 2006 on a 360 has some unusual bugs, the two I've noticed are very long loading screens for the first time you start a "match" (not nearly as long in subsequent matches), and an issue where looping sound effects, like engine noises and tire screeches will sometimes persist and the only way to stop it is by restarting the entire game
I got PS2 local multiplayer works via crossover cable lan. You need 2 tvs, 2 ps2s and 2 network adapters of course. The Japanese PS2 version doesn't support it though, which is a shame since it's the only one with wheel support. Good old Sega mess ;-)
You can improve the graphical quality of the PC version, and get it looking like PS3 arcade version, by using a specially tweaked Reshade preset for this game only. You can add better bloom, increase sunlight and darken the shadows by using a trick in Reshade, and even slightly increase the vibrance - giving it a less washed out look. Reshade also has some advanced sharpening shaders which, if used sparingly, can enhance details without introducing shimmer - it makes the look amazing at anything from 1440p and above.
Did you know that the lens flare offset bin file is also misslocated in the Xbox version of 2006, moving it back into the common folder on my modded 360 makes it look even better, adding sun glare where it wasn't before amongst other things
Interesting. I mention it in my follow on video, but in the OG XBOX version of C2C the Sun is entirely missing on the Sunny Beach stage. I wonder if the fix you mentioned also corrects that.
Excellent video, made me realize that the xbox 360 version of this game (Outrun Online edition) was inferior because of the missing game modes and cars. Running the PS2 version of Coast to Coast upscaled to 1440p at a locked 60 fps works amazing, brings the visual quality up to the 360 version. GLHF regardless of which version you choose to play.
I was watching the video thinking "no matter what he's going to say, MY favorite version is the PC one" - now at the end of the video I'm glad to see we agree 😄👍
I've also played all versions and have to say that the original arcade version, which was released again in 2006 as an 1080P upgrade version (SPDX), is the best, at least graphically (track lighting). At home you can only get it through emulation. Then you can also change the resolution (up to 4K) with the appropriate EXEs. In the meantime an annoying lighting bug has been fixed, only some little sound glitches are sometimes noticable. Now the emulated version is nearly the perfect one! If you also have a racing cockpit at home, everything in the arcade version can be operated with the steering wheel, just like in the arcade. Unfortunately, the topic of emulation is in a gray area, which is why it can rarely be given space here..
Loved and miss how sega (and pretty much all industry back then) pushed hardware in both framerate and visual,nowadays ultra high resolutions cripple the hardware and in turn affecting visuals and framerate.Man my og xbox in component looks amazing on 480p,sorry just a old man 's rant🤣 Great video man!a complete analisys! ps: you forgot to mention the amazing audio that this game has, i got my xbox hooked to a dolby receiver...and man what treat!
That desync behaviour where cars will go shifting around like mad it's still present to this day in Sumo Digitals most recent releases, you'll get this alot in Team Sonic Racing and Sonic and AllStars Racing Transformed
Despite you didn’t cover the PS2 and PSP versions, I wanted to tell you this. I was playing Outrun 2006 in my PSP, normally, it was playing at 30FPS with little slowdowns of 20FPS, I remember finishing the Big Forest stage from SP, when the stage transition was in progress, my game started running at 60FPS locked! I was clearly a bug, because of the stage transitions being very unstable and didn’t load the stages immediately, surprisingly, I finished the last 2 stages with 60FPS, after finishing, the game was normally running at 30FPS with the slowdowns, but this proves that the PSP version can be played in 60FPS locked.
From a dude who's a huge fan of the original 1986 game I really wanted to play this but didn't own any of the consoles it was released on so I looked around on the internet today and downloaded the pc version. Glad I did, I was missing out on a great game for a long time
The Xbox version of C2C probably received slightly less visual touching up because it was a multi-platform game as you said. Memory wouldn’t be the issue, as only one course is actively loaded in memory at a time and remains on the disc otherwise, so in game there’s no difference really. In fact, it’s worth noting that the PS2 version of OutRun 2 SP actually added antialiasing, possibly only because it was getting some individual treatment from Sega. The original PS2 C2C looks pretty rough since the PS2’s output was often overly sharp anyway, but the option for 480p was good. The PSP version is interesting because it’s very faithful, but it feels quite jarring to play - the game tends to run at 20FPS unless you’ve forced the game to run at a higher CPU speed using a hacked system. It also has a 16:9 HUD, because the PSP’s display is 16:9 - unlike any other version of the game before Online Arcade! Which would make it the only 6th gen version to have a 16:9 HUD, I believe. Not going to change its visual downgrades and frame rate, but nice to have.
thanks for the video, it deserves more views and likes. big old fan of the series,I went to be good in wipeout and redout and forgot to get good at this one "mainly drifting" :) i just got the pc version and i'm applying the mods and we'll see how it works out.
Thanks man. I think the view count on this has unfortunately been negatively affected by the fact I've had to upload it twice, owing to RUclips cocking the resolution up on the first one and only allowing it to be viewed in 360p. First upload was up to over 1000 views and about 70 comments within a week.
The PC version of OR2006 C2C did have bloom but the file for it was in the wrong folder. lens_flare_offset.bin needs to be moved from the Media folder to the Common folder.
@@MrThunderwing Correct. I'd paused the video, when it mentioned the PC version not having bloom, in order to post this. When I unpaired I realised the video did mention this, but left the comment anyway.
Good to know all PC versions in all regions are in english I see listings on Ebay for the pc version and want able to decide Still looking up to see if its compatible with windows 10
great review thanks a lot.... this game is one of my favorite, those theme(Music) brings me back the old nice memories when i use to play the original outrun 1986 on the arcade
Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast. is the best version for me, all my bets on it. Also, the bloom effect somehow went missing through development, but it can be added back editing a file.
The PS2 version does support 2-8 player system link via LAN, just like the XBOX version. Great video. Thanks for the in-depth comparison of one of the greatest arcade racers ever.
And don't forget the half assed chinese counterfeit of outrun, which is outrun 2013 coast 2 coast, I say it's half assed because the steering wheel isn't put in properly by the arcade makers
great video mate! i loved every second of this well narrated documentary. as a fan of outrun 2 i must say i enjoyed every bit of my classic xbox copy (and even to this day i play it from time to time). the pc one was a little slugish for me but it got the job done. the ps2 one definetely deserves a try. that game pushes its hardware and manages to feel true to the arcade. the psp one is a great achievement, and the reason of why i got one back in time. i can't speak about teknoparrott because for some reason all i see in the screen are garbage graphics. maybe its my old HD 6670? there are so many ways to play this classic, you can't go wrong with any of them!
Excellent video, really informative. It may be objectively the worst of the bunch in terms of visuals and performance but the PSP version of C2C is still so impressive to me. So close to the PS2 version that saves can be transferred between the two versions. Really outstanding for the system, though it doesn't really compare to the other versions of the game as you say.
Great video. I think the PC C2C with FXT is the best version. I wish it had the bonuses and modes of Xbox O2, but even lacking those it's still the superior experience.
Yeah, it's a real shame that Sega didn't decided to go down that route with the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, rather than the cut back versions we ended up with.
I played the PSP port of the game on emulator with a frame count display and realised the game mostly does run at 60 FPS, but there are frame drops in some sections of the tracks, most notably in the two beginning tracks, very close to the start, the game is at 30 FPS but it soon corrects to 60. I believe PPSSPP is accurate to the behaviour of the PSP.
Apparently PPSSP can give PSP games a bit of a frame rate boost. Natively I believe the game is still 30fps. www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?/topic/106773-outrun-2006-coast-2-coast/page/72/
The game runs at a pretty consistent 30FPS on a PSP, sometimes running at 60FPS during transitions (the game’s frame rate cap changes to 15, 20, 30 or 60FPS at any given time based on which of those frame rates it can hold best) - assuming you have forced 333MHz. This will drain more battery, though, and at the default 222MHz the game was designed for, the game typically runs at 20FPS. I have some experience with PSP and PPSSPP, and even had instances where I’m working on a programming project and PPSSPP makes the game run noticeably better than real hardware - or even runs a program that crashes on real hardware (or vice versa)! So no, it’s not a very good indicator of performance.
You forgot to mention that, on the og xbox version of Outrun 2 (and I recall 2066 ctc too) you had to have a modded console then either patch the iso file with a "flicker fucker" software or deactivate it from the settings menu on the xbmc to get rid of the blurryness, the result is a much more sharper image quality.
Yeah, not so much 'forgot to mention' more I've never, ever heard of "flicker fucker" before or ever seen anyone mention it in conjunction with Outrun 2. I did a little search on Google to find out more and the only reference to Outrun 2006 I could find was from one person who said '...the graphics become incredibly sharp, but to my mind it looks a bit nicer in blur-o-vision.' and someone else who said 'With the flicker filter turned off everything (as JP said) looks like early PS2 games, with massive jaggies and (most importantly) eye-destroying flickering. Sure, the image is sharp, but so is a dirty knife, and you wouldn't stab that into your eye.'
Thanks for this video. As a big Outrun 2 fan, I've watched it several times. (It would benefit from text on screen letting us know which screenshot is which version). The Teknoparrot version needs a 'FFB plugin' to allow force feedback to work. Then it's great. I've found the FXT hack on the C2C PC version really difficult to get working consistently on my PC, for reasons too complicated to fathom. I'm lucky enough to live near an arcade that still has 2 (of its original 4) Outrun 2 cabs running. The screens are burning out, though. I'd love to bring them home with me one day and set them up in the bedroom. But I don't think my wife would approve ! :-) Anyway, thanks. I'm setting up a retro driving rig and enjoying a few of your videos. Subscribed.
Yeah, now that the Teknoparrot version of Outrun 2 SPDX works in Windows 7 I've had it up and running with the force feedback plugin for awhile now: ruclips.net/video/xyrGpEq7dyg/видео.html glad you've enjoyed the video enough to watch it several times. Although I don't put text on screen, the version on screen is normally the version I'm talking about at that particular point in the video. Don't forget to check out part 2 of the video here: ruclips.net/video/EJTPe7aBxz4/видео.html
I know this sounds like it may or may not be possible but i think if you have the online arcade version in your download history this might have been possible to run on an Xbox one.
I must admit, even today, Online arcade is very pleasant to play in RPCS3 at 4K (and yes the original game is still owned on my PS3, no pirating here). It's the highest def version you can currently play. I will always have my biggest soft spot for OG Xbox version(s) of Outrun 2, but they don't emulate well at all and although I still have the original discs, complete in box with manual, I don't have a working Xbox nor even a TV slot for one. No room. Can't even use my 360 and PS3 anymore, I have precisely room for two things and both vertically placed - my PS5 and Series X. Just! I now have a very powerful laptop as my all in one everything PC, (13980HX/4090/64GB ram) and Outrun 2 STILL doesn't emulate properly at anything more than 2x resolution. If that. And as you can imagine it looks dreadful at 1x res on a modern mini LED 4K panel. Still, I have ripped all of my 251 OG Xbox games and about half work OK ish in Xemu, and I'll keep testing them every week. If Xemu added GPU acceleration it would be as fast as CXBX but with actual decent compatibility. I really hope he does this some day. Then Outrun 2 in 4K would be possible without a sweat.
Fantastic video as usual (I watched'em all). My favorite version is the PC version with it's solid 60fps and no slowdown + the ability to play the original Outrun 2 in 1080p.
I noticed that C2C ai in psp and pc are different, in the psp version the bots are quite peaceful and mostly get out of your way, whiles in pc version the bots are quite aggressive and try try to block you while you try to pass this was very annoying
Hmmm, I've never noticed any aggression from the AI cars myself in any of the versions I've played, they tend to always stick to their predetermined lines through the stage.
I'd say I like the corrected PC-version of CtC the most. It looked fantastic with 3 displays, running 60fps with everything maxed. Though now I have a single 4k screen... I also have original xbox version with added japan extras etc, along with Ps2 and Ps3... And Psp xD So, basically I just have to choose my poison 😜
Fantastic game. SEGA was my and countless others childhood and i absolutely love them. My personal favourite is the arcade version running on teknoparrot at home with a force feedback wheel in a modern resolution. OH that drifting!!!!! I WANNA GO FAR AWAY.........
My expertise with the mod goes as far as reading the 'Read Me' file that came with it and following the instructions in it to set it up. If you've done that and it's not working, there isn't really anything I can suggest, as I'm not the mods technical support, I'm just an end user like you. Your best bet would be to ask about it over at the driving section of the BYOAC forum in the thread created for the mod by it's creator, Howard Casto. He's going to need some more detailed info than what you've put here though.
I first played outrun when i was 8... trocadero in central london arcade.. i am now 22... and still play coast 2 coast daily... man maybe i have problems! Or those ferraris are just so damn pretty... with the most rewarding drifts
Yes. I haven't owned a PS2 for about 15 years. What's your point? That I should've gone out and bought one just for this video? It's not like I don't acknowledge the game in the video, I even feature a bit of emulated PS2 gameplay, so what are you complaining about?
@@MrThunderwing My point? If you're going to make a long drawn out video making a comparison between all versions of a game, you should have all versions of the game in their original form to make a completely fair comparison. If it's a comparison I wanted to do for a video, yeah I would have bought a copy, borrowed a copy, or nowadays used FreeMCboot. Sorry I just noticed that you said you haven't owned a PS2 CONSOLE for over 15 years, not the game. Yeah you really had no business making this video.
@@OldsXCool Don't be ridiculous. I'm not going to waste money buying an entire games console for one version of a game that I'd have spent less than 5 minutes taking about in a RUclips video.
@@OldsXCool No business making this video? What are you, the RUclips Police? Who the fuck are you to tell someone else how they can or can't make a video? You're not an authority on the subject. I'm passionate about this game series, yet you think simply because I don't own 1 of the multi-system variants of Coast 2 Coast, I shouldn't have been allowed to make a video about it? Fuck off. This video's had 27,000+ views so far and not a single one of those people before you has had an issue with the fact I only talk about the PS2 game briefly because I don't own the console.
@@OldsXCool Curious as well how this 'logic' doesn't apply to your own content. You yourself have made a comparison between LA Machine Guns, running on the Wii and on Supermodel emulator. But yet you told me, "if you're going to make a long drawn out video making a comparison between all versions of a game, you should have all versions of the game in their original form to make a completely fair comparison". Funny, I didn't see _you_ using the actual Sega Model 3 arcade board to make _your_ comparison. You used an emulator, just like I did in my video to cover the PS2 game. Guess what pal, that makes you a hypocrite, and by your own argument, you really had no business making _that_ video.
*PART 2 OF THIS VIDEO HERE:* ruclips.net/video/EJTPe7aBxz4/видео.html I made a follow-on to this video, as several fairly big things happened in the world of Outrun 2 in the 8 or so months after I'd uploaded it. There were also a few little additions I wanted to make to the Outrun 30th Anniversary video I made back in 2016, so thought I might as well add those in too.
Also, I managed to get involved in some online multiplayer on the PS3 game a few weeks ago, check out one of the races here:
ruclips.net/video/PdClIKIIduQ/видео.html
If you enjoyed my look back at this series, why not check out my thoughts on *Sonic & All-Star Racing Transformed* - one of my favourite games of the last 10 years
ruclips.net/video/GjRYcG5rH2k/видео.html
How about another classic Sega franchise - the *Wonder Boy* games (including a review of Monster Boy the latest modern day addition): ruclips.net/video/QM0pRVgp7_A/видео.html
Also, more gaming documentaries from me:
*25 Years of Daytona USA - The Game, The Legacy, The Complete History:* ruclips.net/video/cqzn60DGhqI/видео.html
*Outrun (by Sega) 30th Birthday Tribute - The game, the legacy!* -ruclips.net/video/zJ0462V9cao/видео.html
*30 Years of After Burner by Sega - the game, the legacy:* - ruclips.net/video/ZGEP1eJN8Q0/видео.html
*Sega Model 3 & The Dreamcast - WTF Went Wrong?!?* ruclips.net/video/jdfIdHlAh_I/видео.html
I got asked on a non-English speaking form if I could recap the pros and cons of each version in text form. I thought I might as well add what I wrote there to the comments here as well:
With the exception of the PSP all versions of the game ran at 60fps
-Xbox Outrun 2: Arguably the best looking 6th Generation console version of the game; can display in 480p anamorphic widescreen and upscales nicely into 720p when played on an Xbox 360 (although does suffer from some occasional frame rate judder and sometimes problems when transitioning from one course to another on 360). Contained the original 15 OR2 tracks and 12 cars (4 more than the arcade Chihiro game) and lots of original mission modes and challenges. It also contained two bonus courses that weren't subsequently included in Coast 2 Coast or Outrun Online Arcade, made up of tracks from the old Sega arcade racers Scud Race and Daytona USA 2. The Japanese Xbox version of the original Outrun 2 had some cosmetic and minor gameplay changes made to the bonus stages to make them look and play more accurately to the Scud Race and Daytona 2 arcade games, so the Japanese version is arguably the best version of Outrun 2. There's no force feedback ability if you're using a wheel, but outstanding controls with an Xbox Joypad, with incredibly intuitive rumble that lets you feel all the gear changes and bumps in the road. Easy to use system link (for I think a maximum of 6 players?) if you've got multiple Xboxs with a good stable game connection throughout. To me, feels like the hardest version of the game. The hard level cars actually feel hard to control, especially with manual transmission. Also contained a bonus unlockable version of the original 1986 Outrun.
-Coast 2 Coast on consoles: Although C2C didn't include the bonus stages from Outrun 2, it did include all 15 stages from the original arcade version of Outrun 2 and the 15 new stages from Outrun 2 SP. It also included extra cars (bringing the total up to 15) and special souped up versions of all the regular cars. Whereas the original Outrun 2 had been an Xbox exclusive, the home ports of Outrun 2 SP were multi-system, with the original Xbox, PS2, PSP (and later PC) receiving a version of the game. Allegedly, this lead to a slight reduction in the quality of the graphics on the Xbox port, as the game was developed as a multi-platform title that had to account for the PS2 and PSP which weren’t as graphically powerful as the Xbox. I was always under the impression though that the slight quality drop was due to the fact that Coast 2 Coast just contained so much more content than the original Outrun 2, so some compromises had to be made. It's not super noticeable, but the anti-aliasing on the cars seems a tiny bit more jaggy and the draw distance on the road markings isn't quite so good. Not sure about the PSP, but both OG Xbox and PS2 support widescreen 480p with the OG Xbox version being once again backwards compatible with 360, and unlike the original OR2, running with no glitches that I could notice and looking nice upscaled to 720p. Original Xbox is the best looking console version with PS2 coming 2nd and PSP 3rd. The Japanese version of C2C on the PS2 had it's name changed back to Outrun 2 SP and had some end of stage animations from the arcade version of OR2SP added back in that are missing from all the other home versions and also some extra music too. It's also the only version of C2C that has working force feedback for steering wheels. I can't comment on the control on the 2 PlayStation games, but with a pad, Coast 2 Coast handles just as well as Outrun 2. The Xbox system link option is as equally easy to set-up as OR2 and offers an equally good stable connection. The game also had a load of challenge and mission modes, with the nice touch that some of them would feature courses that would mix and match stages from both SP and OR2. Coast 2 Coast also added in the ability to slipstream the CPU traffic and rivals and featured some new animations in the bunki sections of the game (where you transition from one stage to the next) that would differ depending on how well you did in the stage. Arguably easier than OR2. Collisions are punished far more severely in Outrun 2, with the player losing a lot of speed if you drift into traffic or a CPU opponent. Coast 2 Coast by comparison seems to allow you to pretty much plough through other cars, trucks and buses with only minimal speed loss. Hard level cars feel a fair bit easier to control in this version too. It also adds in a Marathon mode allowing you to race all 15 SP or OR2 tracks back-to-back. Also features a special dusk mode for the first Palm Beach course from OR2 and a night mode for the Sunny Beach stage from OR2SP when played in Time Attack.
-Coast 2 Coast on PC: Contains all the content of the console versions. The first true HD version of the game, supporting resolutions up to 1080p, however it didn’t include any bloom effects (the optical effect where light from a bright source, such as a the Sun, appears to leak into surrounding objects) The PC version of Coast 2 Coast featured no rumble functionality whatsoever for joypads and was not optimised for racing wheels. You could plug your wheel in and use it, but the game would treat it the same as a joypad, meaning there was a massive deadzone on the wheel’s X axis. You can set-up a wireless LAN using the PC version of C2C very easily, but the connection is very temperamental and prone to failing. The in game timers will get out of sync, cars will warp all over the screen, PCs will totally de-sync. Members of the gaming community were able to help fix these shortcomings though. The OR2 FXT hack (created by Howard Casto) added rumble for joypads, corrected the deadzone in racing wheels and also added force feedback to the game. The hack also allows you to swap out music in the game and change the appearance of parts of the in game menus to appear more arcade like as well as lots of other stuff. Sometime after this it was discovered that the bloom effects actually were in the PC version of Outrun Coast 2 Coast, but were contained in an incorrect folder when the game installed. By simply cutting and pasting a file called lens flare offset.bin from the game’s media folder into the games common folder, it enabled the effects! With all these fixes added to the game it is now arguably the best version of Coast 2 Coast.
-Outrun Online Arcade (PS3 & Xbox 360): A digital only version of the game that contained only the 15 SP tracks, as well as a reduction in the number of cars back to 10 and a reduced selection of tunes. Displays in 720p HD, but looks significantly better than the PC version as it has superior bloom effects (it looks way better, even with the bloom effects in the correct folder and working on the PC). The bloom here looks a lot nicer than the Xbox versions of OR2 and Coast 2 Coast as well (It's been mentioned to me that the Xbox version of Coast also has issues with it's bloom - the sun is completely missing in the OG Xbox version for the OutRun 2 SP courses, most notably, in the opening Sunny Beach stage the Sun is suppose to be visible and shining when you climb the first hill). Despite being a highly stripped down version of Coast 2 Coast the game did feature the end of course animations that were missing in all the other versions of Coast 2 Coast, apart from the Japanese PS2, and it also featured force feedback for racing wheels too. It also lets you play the Heart attack mission modes and features the 15 stage Marathon mode. I've never played the 360 version, but playing on a PS3 with a pad, the rumble functions are extremely week, to the point I can barely feel it do anything with the settings at maximum (also I hate playing racing games using the R2 and L2 triggers on a Dualshock 3 pad, your fingers constantly feel like they want to slip off them). Despite the lack of rumble, the game handles really well and has the easier handling of C2C rather than OR2. Was playable online back in the day, but no local system link options. Has been de-listed now, so you can no longer purchase it from PSN or XBLA.
-Outrun 2 SPDX (Teknoparrot): The actual arcade version of Outrun 2 SP DX hacked to run on Windows 10 PCs. I own Windows 7 so haven't been able to play it (boo!) but from what I see it's just as nice looking as Outrun Online Arcade (in terms of bloom) and it's got ALL 15 OR2 and SP stages in and you can play it in resolutions up to 4K. Also supports FFB and network play. Doesn't feature all the content from Coast 2 Coast, with some cars missing and none of the challenge modes. The graphics can apparently be problematic when played in Tekknoparrot without certain downloadable fixes.
Two things of note. The testerossa in Outrun 2 arcade has a different appearance (Big grill look). This look made it onto the Xbox Outrun demo on the computer controlled cars but the car you select (and in all versions after) was the one we all recall seeing.
Also, PS2 port of OOA was obviously graphically weaker but an AMAZING achievement. Same with PSP (the devs intentionally sacrificed speed for looks). Also, the jPS2 Outrun 2SP features arcade-accurate scoring for Outrun mode (2006 for some reason halved the points for traffic you passed)
@@Noobsaibot21 Interesting (RUclips seems to be really hit and miss at the moment at actually notifying me on replies to comments, I've only just seen this comment).
@@MrThunderwing post script 2 when? :P
@@Noobsaibot21 I've just update the video description with this bit of extra info you mentioned about the Testarossa. I'd totally forgotten you'd mentioned it here, derp.
I want sega to port outrun 2 over to PS4, Xbox one, switch, and PC. Heck I want them to make a new outrun game, this game is my favorite racing/driving game of all time.
It is on PC!
@@IunahYT meh
@@budgiecat9039 just install mods lol
@Yu Tubaru yeah Mario kart is a fine game but it's no Sega racer unfortunately no attitude no punk rock/tropical music Mario Kart is an entertaining game to play but it will never surpass sega's racers
I want sage to make a new game console and show $ony
Use the name ENTIRETY as a license name but cancel and you will have everything unlock with no linking on the PS2 and PSP versions. This game is a blast on PS2 and looks pretty impressive for a game on a 6 year old system at the time in my opinion.
Fun fact: The Drifting, Avoid Crashing Into Stuff, Cut Through Lines and Collecting Stuff missions were reused in Sonic Sega All Stars Racing, Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed and Team Sonic Racing. but changed up for the unique mission like avoid breaking pots as Big in SASASR, drift on areas in various levels in SAASRT and go between robots in TSR. It's Interesting to see Sega and Sumo Digital's first team up before Sonic's true racing games.
@@LegionOfWorldWarriors
*Thank you for the INFO ;)*
Great video, thank you so much for all the informations!
I have the PS2 Coast 2 Coast version, yoi csn unlock everything by just entering two cheat codes on the driver's license. No need for the PSP version. The game runs at 60 FPS with few small dips when there's many cars on certain stages. The game looks good on my CRT, crisp and colorful, easily the best looking PS2 game.
Do you have the pal version or ntsc u version?
It goes without saying Mr Thunderwing's videos are the absolute BEST vids to watch when it comes to all things Sega arcade racers, and this video simply re-inforces that fact! Other than your 30th Anniversary Vid, this is the greatest OR2 vid on YT and is a MUST WATCH for any OR2 fan. I've learned a lot about Sega's arcade racers that I didn't know before, from watching your vids bro. Keep them coming and keep up the great work!!
Everyone that watches this vid needs to like and subscribe ASAP!!!!!
Thanks bro! I appreciate it.
This is my favourite game of all time, glad to see such a thoroughly comprehensive study on all it's various versions. I think I might have to try and get a copy of the PC version.
I can confirm that Teknoparrot fixed the shadow and sun issues like two days ago and also audio issues with Lindbergh have been addressed as well. Both this game and Virtua Fighter 5 are both playable properly now. Still need Windows 10 however. The devs did mention too that they plan to incorporate TP Online for OutRun 2 SDX which will mean that you can play the game online via steam. Just like Initial D and Mario Kart Arcade GP DX
Good to know Roshawn, cheers!
Best Outrun2 video ever.
Cheers bud!
Are you sure? Let's discuss it!
Very comprehensive video look across the different versions of OutRun 2/SP/C2C. As someone who's just rediscovered their love of the OR series, I appreciate the excellent and detailed breakdown!
Thanks dude!
I've always played the PC version until recently when I tried the PS2 version. What's amazing about the PC version is that it's able to run on a potato while still looking good. Even my 12 year old budget Pentium Dual Core laptop runs it flawlessly.
I used to have a Pentium 4 single core PC that could run this well.
It's amazing how well the graphics hold up.
This video doesn't cover one of the most important differences to me, the *audio.* The PC version has distractingly bad sound balance, with some sounds like the engine being half as loud as they should be, and other sounds like the "whoosh" from passing cars being way too loud. It sounds like a nitpick, but it makes it very difficult for me to play that version because of how i work.
The English release of Coast 2 Coast has a lot of problems with music looping, with all the Genesis music fading out and restarting even in a normal 5-track race. The JP version adds full looping to those as well as the 7 normal OR2 songs, so they're seamless even in 15-track continuous. This is another thing that's really important to me, since 15-track is the best mode, and nothing ruins the groove like a fadeout into 10 seconds of silence twice per race. (I'm not sure if the PC version has looped music or not, the other thing bugged me too much for me to check...)
My personal opinion after trying them all is *the JP PS2 version (OutRun 2 SP) is the best one,* since it has the bonus songs, the best audio, the ending animations, and all the C2C content. Running it on emulator lets you play it in HD, which isn't quite as nice as the actual HD versions but it looks good enough to me! It supports force feedback wheels too on PS2, though i dunno if that works in an emulator (i don't have one to try it on). Also important... *it just works*, unlike the endless tweaking you need to do on PC/Teknoparrot. The only thing i feel like i'm missing is that awesome route editor on PC, but oh well!
Hmmmm, that's interesting, I've never noticed any massive differences in the audio between the PC and console versions. The main thing I noticed was the SFX being a bit too quiet in the PC game, but that was something you could adjust in game. The cars have never sounded too loud to me with the overtaking noises, I wonder if it could be a difference in your PC audio setup to mine? Over the years I stopped listening to anything except the 3 OG Outrun tunes, so the issues with the other ones looping isn't something I was especially aware of. I agree about the _just works_ thing, that's definitely a massive plus point in a game's favour 👍
Probably worth a revisit now that the PC version got the mod that's been needed for years
I got the Japanese PS2 release of OutRun 2 SP. I kinda like the extra content not found in OutRun 2006.
I have the PS2 Coast to Coast I bought back in 2006 and the online arcade I bought in 2009. Fingers permanently crossed my PS3 never dies. It's one of my all time faves. Great vid mate 👍
Thanks man, I too hope my PS3 never dies for the same reason.
This is by far the best comparison I’ve ever seen
Thanks!
I found a peculiar arcade machine in Greece: the cabinet itself was adorned with the title "Outrun 2017 Coast 2 Coast" but in game it was called "Outrun 2016 Coast 2 Coast". The menu looked just like Outrun 2006 but every time I played it no matter what I did on the menu it went straight for Outrun 2 SP, also it seemed to run on Windows hardware.
Interesting. It sounds like it's probably a pirate machine running the PC game rather than the proper Chihiro version of Outrun 2 (or Lindbergh version of Outrun 2 SPDX)
I had a similar experience here in the Philippines. The machine was located at an arcade which was inside a resort and casino. The Outrun 2019 machine was featured prominently in an ad located inside the casino. The game was pretty much the same as what King Harkinian found, but what pissed me off the most is that all the music in the game was changed to some obnoxious Chinese music.
Really good video. I still love Outrun 2 on my original Xbox. I think the visuals still stand up even today. Nice one mate.
Thanks buddy.
MarcusTDM you should give a reason or reasons why Out Run 2 still stands up by today's standards
Great watch! I fell down this rabbit hole recently after getting a Sony PVM monitor and an Xbox RGB cable to see the Xbox version of 2 running at its best. After spending a week trying to get both an actual copy and then (out of frustration) a "totally legal" copy of the PC version of C2C to work on Windows 10 to mixed results and / failure, I bit the bullet and snagged one of the pricy Xbox copies of C2C (it was CeX and yes there was a PS2 copy for £8 a few shelves down!) but it's a great instance of a rare game being worth the price if you actually want to play it. Plus, having the luxury of playing it on a 360 both on the PVM and a modern display has been great and I can't put it down. I generally only play with a pad so I was happy to settle with Xbox C2C. That said, I will say it's probably worth noting that the PC version of C2C, when I did get it to run, works great with BetterJoyForCemu and I was able to use a Switch Pro Controller with the same layout as a Xbox 360 controller which was a great fit.
While 2006 has extra stuff like more tracks+music, I still like the simplicity of the original Outrun 2. I can start it up and start playing a game much faster without having to click through a whole bunch of stuff in the menus for 2006.
Damn this game was my childhood im coming back to it now
Thanks a lot for informing about the wrong pc folder! Looks way better now. :)
I honestly dont think you can go wrong with any version of Outrun2/2006. The best looking versions is the Arcade on TeknoParrot, and the emulated version of online Arcade on RPCS3, both run flawless as well at 60 fps and no frame rate issues. The emulated PS2 version is interesting because that has plenty of content and has lan support, the JP version took out the online/lan support, but you get 4 extra songs.
Actually in the psp older games did not have the full procesing power of the psp unlocked by design but this can be done on this day with homebrew, i set the default psp cpu lock to 333/166 and coas2coast runs at 60fps with no drops.
Excellent! Good to know the PSP version can match it's PS2 big brother.
Also worth noting that playing 2006 on a 360 has some unusual bugs, the two I've noticed are very long loading screens for the first time you start a "match" (not nearly as long in subsequent matches), and an issue where looping sound effects, like engine noises and tire screeches will sometimes persist and the only way to stop it is by restarting the entire game
Yep, I've noticed the mega long load times on 360. That audio bug with certain sounds persisting is something that can also happen in Outrun 2.
Wow, thanks a lot for this ultimate review!
I got PS2 local multiplayer works via crossover cable lan. You need 2 tvs, 2 ps2s and 2 network adapters of course. The Japanese PS2 version doesn't support it though, which is a shame since it's the only one with wheel support. Good old Sega mess ;-)
Great and helpful video! My only exposure to this game is the arcade version and always wanted to try it out at home too
You can improve the graphical quality of the PC version, and get it looking like PS3 arcade version, by using a specially tweaked Reshade preset for this game only. You can add better bloom, increase sunlight and darken the shadows by using a trick in Reshade, and even slightly increase the vibrance - giving it a less washed out look. Reshade also has some advanced sharpening shaders which, if used sparingly, can enhance details without introducing shimmer - it makes the look amazing at anything from 1440p and above.
Awesome, I'll have to look into it.
Great vid bro! Im late to the party, but I really appreciate the time spent in doing this video.
Excellent video. OutRun 2 is pure bliss and I wanted to find the best version possible.
This video is magnificent
Thank you Sir!
Did you know that the lens flare offset bin file is also misslocated in the Xbox version of 2006, moving it back into the common folder on my modded 360 makes it look even better, adding sun glare where it wasn't before amongst other things
Interesting. I mention it in my follow on video, but in the OG XBOX version of C2C the Sun is entirely missing on the Sunny Beach stage. I wonder if the fix you mentioned also corrects that.
@@MrThunderwing Yeah I watched that and that's why I mentioned the sun glare as it does restore it in the sunny beach stage
Excellent video, made me realize that the xbox 360 version of this game (Outrun Online edition) was inferior because of the missing game modes and cars. Running the PS2 version of Coast to Coast upscaled to 1440p at a locked 60 fps works amazing, brings the visual quality up to the 360 version. GLHF regardless of which version you choose to play.
This is the content I'm looking for.
The intro makes me jealous amazing setup
Thanks man! fortunately I picked up both of my copies of Coast 2 Coast on the OG Xbox back in the day, so it was before they got crazy expensive.
I was watching the video thinking "no matter what he's going to say, MY favorite version is the PC one"
- now at the end of the video I'm glad to see we agree 😄👍
Boom!
It's also worth mentioning that you can supersample the sh*t out of it nowadays even on mid and low end spec PC.
I've also played all versions and have to say that the original arcade version, which was released again in 2006 as an 1080P upgrade version (SPDX), is the best, at least graphically (track lighting). At home you can only get it through emulation. Then you can also change the resolution (up to 4K) with the appropriate EXEs. In the meantime an annoying lighting bug has been fixed, only some little sound glitches are sometimes noticable. Now the emulated version is nearly the perfect one! If you also have a racing cockpit at home, everything in the arcade version can be operated with the steering wheel, just like in the arcade. Unfortunately, the topic of emulation is in a gray area, which is why it can rarely be given space here..
Loved and miss how sega (and pretty much all industry back then) pushed hardware in both framerate and visual,nowadays ultra high resolutions cripple the hardware and in turn affecting visuals and framerate.Man my og xbox in component looks amazing on 480p,sorry just a old man
's rant🤣
Great video man!a complete analisys! ps: you forgot to mention the amazing audio that this game has, i got my xbox hooked to a dolby receiver...and man what treat!
That desync behaviour where cars will go shifting around like mad it's still present to this day in Sumo Digitals most recent releases, you'll get this alot in Team Sonic Racing and Sonic and AllStars Racing Transformed
Interesting. I've got both but never actually played online with either.
Despite you didn’t cover the PS2 and PSP versions, I wanted to tell you this. I was playing Outrun 2006 in my PSP, normally, it was playing at 30FPS with little slowdowns of 20FPS, I remember finishing the Big Forest stage from SP, when the stage transition was in progress, my game started running at 60FPS locked! I was clearly a bug, because of the stage transitions being very unstable and didn’t load the stages immediately, surprisingly, I finished the last 2 stages with 60FPS, after finishing, the game was normally running at 30FPS with the slowdowns, but this proves that the PSP version can be played in 60FPS locked.
I did speak about the PS2 and PSP versions, it's not like I 'didn't cover' them.
Link-up works fine with a network switch, so your router isn't especially needed nearby, although it's the easy option.
Awesome video thanks for the very comprehensive comparison
dude this video is fantastic, thank you for the info
@1:16 what’s the name of that drum and bass audio track ? Love it tried to Shazam it but no avail.
It's a bit of music I created myself using the music creation program Fruity Loops. I'm a massive DnB fan.
From a dude who's a huge fan of the original 1986 game I really wanted to play this but didn't own any of the consoles it was released on so I looked around on the internet today and downloaded the pc version. Glad I did, I was missing out on a great game for a long time
Enjoy! It's ace
The Xbox version of C2C probably received slightly less visual touching up because it was a multi-platform game as you said. Memory wouldn’t be the issue, as only one course is actively loaded in memory at a time and remains on the disc otherwise, so in game there’s no difference really.
In fact, it’s worth noting that the PS2 version of OutRun 2 SP actually added antialiasing, possibly only because it was getting some individual treatment from Sega. The original PS2 C2C looks pretty rough since the PS2’s output was often overly sharp anyway, but the option for 480p was good.
The PSP version is interesting because it’s very faithful, but it feels quite jarring to play - the game tends to run at 20FPS unless you’ve forced the game to run at a higher CPU speed using a hacked system. It also has a 16:9 HUD, because the PSP’s display is 16:9 - unlike any other version of the game before Online Arcade! Which would make it the only 6th gen version to have a 16:9 HUD, I believe. Not going to change its visual downgrades and frame rate, but nice to have.
C2C for me played it at a friends house many hours went by sooooo good!
Incredible video . Grabbing outrun 2 for.the original xbox now!
Currently playing "Outrun 2 SP" (PS2) on my Arcade cabinet (with Batocera, at 1080p) and having a blast on it.
thanks for the video, it deserves more views and likes.
big old fan of the series,I went to be good in wipeout and redout and forgot to get good at this one "mainly drifting" :)
i just got the pc version and i'm applying the mods and we'll see how it works out.
Thanks man. I think the view count on this has unfortunately been negatively affected by the fact I've had to upload it twice, owing to RUclips cocking the resolution up on the first one and only allowing it to be viewed in 360p. First upload was up to over 1000 views and about 70 comments within a week.
The PC version of OR2006 C2C did have bloom but the file for it was in the wrong folder. lens_flare_offset.bin needs to be moved from the Media folder to the Common folder.
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@@MrThunderwing Correct. I'd paused the video, when it mentioned the PC version not having bloom, in order to post this. When I unpaired I realised the video did mention this, but left the comment anyway.
Good to know all PC versions in all regions are in english
I see listings on Ebay for the pc version and want able to decide
Still looking up to see if its compatible with windows 10
great review thanks a lot.... this game is one of my favorite, those theme(Music) brings me back the old nice memories when i use to play the original outrun 1986 on the arcade
I have Outrun 2 SP SDX at an arcade where I live... It's so much fun
The PS2 versions of coast to coast have gotten up recently good thing I bought this game for like $28 a while back on eBay
So, any follow up to the recent emoose fix for PC version? Now It seems PC is the definitve version, at least content wise
Outrun 2 SP is also on the PlayStation 2, NTSC-J
I can't provide any links to the game, but you can see a tutorial here: ruclips.net/video/WM-USzkQ3go/видео.html
Outrun 2006 Coast 2 Coast. is the best version for me, all my bets on it.
Also, the bloom effect somehow went missing through development, but it can be added back editing a file.
Yeah dude, I talk about how you can get them working again at 15:13
@@MrThunderwing My bad
Nice job!
Nice one dude!
The pc version plays great with a 360 pad, and is still my favorite racing game - thanks for covering the awesome Outrun 2 series.
My vote would be og xbox versions on a crt for no input delay and motion clarity for the speed.
Well researched video here. You know your stuff.
the tecknoparrot version works in windows 7 now
Yes, I talk all about that in Part 2 of this video, which I made about 4 years ago (which I pinned a link to in the comments here).
The PS2 version does support 2-8 player system link via LAN, just like the XBOX version. Great video. Thanks for the in-depth comparison of one of the greatest arcade racers ever.
And don't forget the half assed chinese counterfeit of outrun, which is outrun 2013 coast 2 coast, I say it's half assed because the steering wheel isn't put in properly by the arcade makers
Yeah, think I've seen some photos of those knockoff Outrun 2 cabinets.
Outrun Online Arcade (PS3) is the one I find myself playing the most, is a superb port
Outrun 2006 C2C on PC with Feel The Road mod running at 4K. Best Outrun game ever. I'm sure with a proper wheel setup it would be fantastic.
PS2 unlocked to 380 steering on the G27, has the weak but reasonable ffb ( not just centering spring, like RR7).
My G27 wont work on the ps2 version of the game at all.
Supreme OR2 tribute video, Thanks!!
Glad you liked it!
great video mate! i loved every second of this well narrated documentary.
as a fan of outrun 2 i must say i enjoyed every bit of my classic xbox copy (and even to this day i play it from time to time). the pc one was a little slugish for me but it got the job done. the ps2 one definetely deserves a try. that game pushes its hardware and manages to feel true to the arcade.
the psp one is a great achievement, and the reason of why i got one back in time.
i can't speak about teknoparrott because for some reason all i see in the screen are garbage graphics. maybe its my old HD 6670?
there are so many ways to play this classic, you can't go wrong with any of them!
Cheers! Glad you enjoyed it.
Excellent video, really informative. It may be objectively the worst of the bunch in terms of visuals and performance but the PSP version of C2C is still so impressive to me. So close to the PS2 version that saves can be transferred between the two versions. Really outstanding for the system, though it doesn't really compare to the other versions of the game as you say.
there is a PC version of Coast to coast , i run it in 4k in some of my pcs it looks great
Great video. I think the PC C2C with FXT is the best version. I wish it had the bonuses and modes of Xbox O2, but even lacking those it's still the superior experience.
I would like to see all these arcade games on Xbla and Psn, with online multiplayer leaderboards. Daytona, Initial D etc
I wish we could just have one definitive edition with the best graphics and the most content that runs on all platforms.
Yeah, it's a real shame that Sega didn't decided to go down that route with the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, rather than the cut back versions we ended up with.
Awesome video, you earned a new subscriber
Thanks man, glad you liked it.
I played the PSP port of the game on emulator with a frame count display and realised the game mostly does run at 60 FPS, but there are frame drops in some sections of the tracks, most notably in the two beginning tracks, very close to the start, the game is at 30 FPS but it soon corrects to 60. I believe PPSSPP is accurate to the behaviour of the PSP.
Apparently PPSSP can give PSP games a bit of a frame rate boost. Natively I believe the game is still 30fps. www.rllmukforum.com/index.php?/topic/106773-outrun-2006-coast-2-coast/page/72/
The game runs at a pretty consistent 30FPS on a PSP, sometimes running at 60FPS during transitions (the game’s frame rate cap changes to 15, 20, 30 or 60FPS at any given time based on which of those frame rates it can hold best) - assuming you have forced 333MHz. This will drain more battery, though, and at the default 222MHz the game was designed for, the game typically runs at 20FPS.
I have some experience with PSP and PPSSPP, and even had instances where I’m working on a programming project and PPSSPP makes the game run noticeably better than real hardware - or even runs a program that crashes on real hardware (or vice versa)! So no, it’s not a very good indicator of performance.
*XBOX is one amazing machine!* ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️
You forgot to mention that, on the og xbox version of Outrun 2 (and I recall 2066 ctc too) you had to have a modded console then either patch the iso file with a "flicker fucker" software or deactivate it from the settings menu on the xbmc to get rid of the blurryness, the result is a much more sharper image quality.
Yeah, not so much 'forgot to mention' more I've never, ever heard of "flicker fucker" before or ever seen anyone mention it in conjunction with Outrun 2. I did a little search on Google to find out more and the only reference to Outrun 2006 I could find was from one person who said '...the graphics become incredibly sharp, but to my mind it looks a bit nicer in blur-o-vision.' and someone else who said 'With the flicker filter turned off everything (as JP said) looks like early PS2 games, with massive jaggies and (most importantly) eye-destroying flickering. Sure, the image is sharp, but so is a dirty knife, and you wouldn't stab that into your eye.'
Thanks for this video. As a big Outrun 2 fan, I've watched it several times. (It would benefit from text on screen letting us know which screenshot is which version).
The Teknoparrot version needs a 'FFB plugin' to allow force feedback to work. Then it's great. I've found the FXT hack on the C2C PC version really difficult to get working consistently on my PC, for reasons too complicated to fathom.
I'm lucky enough to live near an arcade that still has 2 (of its original 4) Outrun 2 cabs running. The screens are burning out, though. I'd love to bring them home with me one day and set them up in the bedroom. But I don't think my wife would approve ! :-)
Anyway, thanks. I'm setting up a retro driving rig and enjoying a few of your videos. Subscribed.
Yeah, now that the Teknoparrot version of Outrun 2 SPDX works in Windows 7 I've had it up and running with the force feedback plugin for awhile now: ruclips.net/video/xyrGpEq7dyg/видео.html glad you've enjoyed the video enough to watch it several times. Although I don't put text on screen, the version on screen is normally the version I'm talking about at that particular point in the video. Don't forget to check out part 2 of the video here: ruclips.net/video/EJTPe7aBxz4/видео.html
Excellent video buddy.
Thanks dude!
I know this sounds like it may or may not be possible but i think if you have the online arcade version in your download history this might have been possible to run on an Xbox one.
I've not heard anything about it being backwards compatible, but then again I don't own an Xbone...
@@MrThunderwing oh ok.
thanks for the bloom tip mate ;)
No problem 👍
I wish i could get a copy of the xbox360 arcade version
I must admit, even today, Online arcade is very pleasant to play in RPCS3 at 4K (and yes the original game is still owned on my PS3, no pirating here).
It's the highest def version you can currently play. I will always have my biggest soft spot for OG Xbox version(s) of Outrun 2, but they don't emulate well at all and although I still have the original discs, complete in box with manual, I don't have a working Xbox nor even a TV slot for one. No room. Can't even use my 360 and PS3 anymore, I have precisely room for two things and both vertically placed - my PS5 and Series X. Just!
I now have a very powerful laptop as my all in one everything PC, (13980HX/4090/64GB ram) and Outrun 2 STILL doesn't emulate properly at anything more than 2x resolution. If that.
And as you can imagine it looks dreadful at 1x res on a modern mini LED 4K panel.
Still, I have ripped all of my 251 OG Xbox games and about half work OK ish in Xemu, and I'll keep testing them every week. If Xemu added GPU acceleration it would be as fast as CXBX but with actual decent compatibility. I really hope he does this some day. Then Outrun 2 in 4K would be possible without a sweat.
Fantastic video as usual (I watched'em all).
My favorite version is the PC version with it's solid 60fps and no slowdown + the ability to play the original Outrun 2 in 1080p.
I noticed that C2C ai in psp and pc are different, in the psp version the bots are quite peaceful and mostly get out of your way, whiles in pc version the bots are quite aggressive and try try to block you while you try to pass this was very annoying
Hmmm, I've never noticed any aggression from the AI cars myself in any of the versions I've played, they tend to always stick to their predetermined lines through the stage.
@MrThunderwing this was most noticeable on c2c career stage 38
This video would have looked SO MUCH BETTER if it was in 360p. A man can dream......
Heh, you daft bugger.
Outrun 2 SP on PS3 runs in 1080p and looks.great.
Will the Outrun C2C from the original Xbox run on the Xbox Series X, I wonder?
Very good video,,,,,,,,excellent presents versions,,,,,,,Saludos Mundo Makina
I'd say I like the corrected PC-version of CtC the most. It looked fantastic with 3 displays, running 60fps with everything maxed. Though now I have a single 4k screen... I also have original xbox version with added japan extras etc, along with Ps2 and Ps3... And Psp xD So, basically I just have to choose my poison 😜
Fantastic game. SEGA was my and countless others childhood and i absolutely love them. My personal favourite is the arcade version running on teknoparrot at home with a force feedback wheel in a modern resolution. OH that drifting!!!!! I WANNA GO FAR AWAY.........
What's the name of the specific theme playing in the beginning of the video? It sounds soo good
It's "Rush a difficulty ARRANGED" from the Outrun Coast 2 Coast soundtrack.
Thank you very much. Honestly, I wasn't expecting a fast reply like this. Now if only I can implement this remix into the actual game...
@@KingAges No worries ;)
Time for another OutRun Sega...
Right?
After what they did to daytona 3? Eh. Maybe just let it rest ;(
I can't seem to get the Outrun 2 FXT mod to work properly what am i doing wrong.
My expertise with the mod goes as far as reading the 'Read Me' file that came with it and following the instructions in it to set it up. If you've done that and it's not working, there isn't really anything I can suggest, as I'm not the mods technical support, I'm just an end user like you. Your best bet would be to ask about it over at the driving section of the BYOAC forum in the thread created for the mod by it's creator, Howard Casto. He's going to need some more detailed info than what you've put here though.
I first played outrun when i was 8... trocadero in central london arcade.. i am now 22... and still play coast 2 coast daily... man maybe i have problems! Or those ferraris are just so damn pretty... with the most rewarding drifts
Well I think I first played Outrun when I would've been 10 or 11. I'm now 44 and I still play it and Outrun 2 all the time.
@@MrThunderwing do you think there will ever be a new one?
@@zaktvtv7257 I'd love to see an Outrun 3, but I think it's pretty unlikely we ever will.
OutRun 2 Tweaks is the best!!
A video of which version of Outrun 2 is the best and you don't even have the PS2 version which is the most common and inexpensive version.
Yes. I haven't owned a PS2 for about 15 years. What's your point? That I should've gone out and bought one just for this video? It's not like I don't acknowledge the game in the video, I even feature a bit of emulated PS2 gameplay, so what are you complaining about?
@@MrThunderwing My point? If you're going to make a long drawn out video making a comparison between all versions of a game, you should have all versions of the game in their original form to make a completely fair comparison. If it's a comparison I wanted to do for a video, yeah I would have bought a copy, borrowed a copy, or nowadays used FreeMCboot. Sorry I just noticed that you said you haven't owned a PS2 CONSOLE for over 15 years, not the game. Yeah you really had no business making this video.
@@OldsXCool Don't be ridiculous. I'm not going to waste money buying an entire games console for one version of a game that I'd have spent less than 5 minutes taking about in a RUclips video.
@@OldsXCool No business making this video? What are you, the RUclips Police? Who the fuck are you to tell someone else how they can or can't make a video? You're not an authority on the subject. I'm passionate about this game series, yet you think simply because I don't own 1 of the multi-system variants of Coast 2 Coast, I shouldn't have been allowed to make a video about it? Fuck off. This video's had 27,000+ views so far and not a single one of those people before you has had an issue with the fact I only talk about the PS2 game briefly because I don't own the console.
@@OldsXCool Curious as well how this 'logic' doesn't apply to your own content. You yourself have made a comparison between LA Machine Guns, running on the Wii and on Supermodel emulator. But yet you told me, "if you're going to make a long drawn out video making a comparison between all versions of a game, you should have all versions of the game in their original form to make a completely fair comparison". Funny, I didn't see _you_ using the actual Sega Model 3 arcade board to make _your_ comparison. You used an emulator, just like I did in my video to cover the PS2 game. Guess what pal, that makes you a hypocrite, and by your own argument, you really had no business making _that_ video.
we need an outrun 2 2004 decompilation