Are you aware of the 1970s series The Ghosts of Motley Hall? It's often cited as one of the inspirations for Ghosts, as it had a very similar premise: A group of ghosts from different historical eras all stuck together in an abandoned stately home. There are even some similar characters - a British Army officer ghost and an 18th century romantic fop. There are obviously a lot of differences too, as it was an inspiration rather than an outright template, but it's a decent and fun little series.
I can already see one character for the French version, a female/Marie Antoinette like version of UK's Humphrey Ignatius Bone or Headless Humphrey a Catholic Tudor nobleman who died after being accidentally beheaded. His body spends most of the time searching for his head rather unsuccessfully.
There are Scouts in Germany, but it's kinda a niche thing and not as commonplace and more church affiliated. Yeah, but for sure a ghost in a uniform that "worked" with youth in the past...no one would go "Oh, of course he was the scout master of the local council and died during summer camp in 1984." Having a teacher who was killed during a (one week) class trip, I guess, would feel much more organic to a German audience and a mix of Flowers and Petes characters would fit perfectly.
Germany has a long history, the Hitler Youth only existed for about 15 years of it, it would be quite possible to have a German scout master from a different era.
There's was an early British episode where the human couple tries to live somewhere else but the woman sees ghosts everywhere including see two German pilots stranded in mid-air when she looks into living in a high rise.
@@sergioandrade8735I was stepping up to say this very thing. Perhaps they weren't ideologically actual Nazis. Perhaps they were just an incredibly good sight gag with a real nasty follow through for anybody with empathy.
Don't forget that most Germans in the military in World War II were not actually Nazis. They could have done something like have the house be a war hospital during the war and have a German doctor who died from an accident. But there are laws against glorifying the Nazis in Germany, so doing a WWII character that didn't break the law would be tricky and they would probably have to have a lot of conversations with lawyers to avoid having some episodes get banned. "Don't mention the war" was probably a much easier decision. WWI would have been a lot easier than WWII (as there were no Nazis back then) but seeing as World War I happened in Germany (but not the UK) it would be a lot darker than the UK military ghost.
@DavidShepheard you are quite right, my Grandparents came from Germany after the war (to England) her older brothers fought in the war and her younger brother was in the Hitler youth. None of them actually followed Hitler as a leader but preferring not to die them followed his rules. Hitler even came to my Nanna's village throwing sweets to child. After Germany lost she moved to the UK.
16:59 The other reason for not representing the American Revolution in the UK series is that any British troops that died in the American Revolution would have died in the USA and become ghosts there. So you would need to have someone survive the war, return to the UK and then die later on.
The most important reason for the American revolution not featuring in the UK version is that the American revolution doesn't matter. It's not the biggest loss or the most recent loss - it matters to Americans, obviously, but it's a boring and trivial detail for the rest of the world.
I really want to see a Mexican version where the characters include like 1. Pre Columbian Indigenous man 2. Spanish Colonizer 3. Mexican Independence leader 4. Person from Benito era 5. Mexican Revolutionary 6. 1940s/50s inspired 7. Children’s show actor from 80s 8. Someone who died recently
I would love it if they had a Mexican sitcom staple in it of an old woman who makes soup in a huge pot for the whole lot of ghosts, who happily eat it because they adore her, but secretly eat grass, just so they don't have to eat her soup anymore.
Maybe a deceased actress from the telenovela, a disgraced politician also could work, but pretty certain they will avoid ghost of cartel member. Then expand the lore by including the ghost of weeping woman (La Llorona).
16:22 the captain's name is James, revealed in the very last episode, and it's like a running gag that no one knows his name or it cuts every time they try to tell us.
I'm fairly certain that Crash died by from a common urban legend where someone gets tired of teens on motorcycles so they stretch wire acros the road at head level causing them to be decapitated
Yes, that could be it, couldn't it. I'm hoping that crashes character gets expanded/explained in series four. He did of course have a story line but didn't even appear too much in that one. The one where Isaac and Alberta become sleuths to work out who dumped his head in a tree in the woods.
14:45 to be fair they do lampshade Thor's sporadic broken English in later seasons. "You say [modern thing] not still call cars 'land ships'?" Is not an uncommon lament. I think Alberta even accuses Thor of messing with them.
Yes. From how I see it, it’s very clear that Thorfinn is doing it deliberately. And he’s also made the effort to learn more than one language, as with Robin on Ghosts UK. I should rewatch and see if he speaks differently when he’s alone with Flower 🤔
Thorfinn’s English is hardly “broken”. It’s fully comprehensible so it’s not wrong. He merely speaks a different dialect. His language patterns are actually quite common in Nordic or Slavic speakers that learn English as a second (or in this case likely third) language. Though the ‘landship’ thing is totally on purpose.
While Thor is likeable, I see him as significantly less intelligent than Robin… I think with some words, like “land ship,” he’s doing it on purpose, but Robin definitely seems more wise and intelligent than Thor, despite his less-evolved brain. Plus, some people just have more of a knack for learning extra languages to fluency than others. I’m in a German culture club here in America, and we still have “Omas and Opas” living that came over after WWII, in the 40s-50s. Some of them speak perfect English with little to no accent, some do alright but have thick accents, and a few still struggle with vocabulary or using English sentence structure rather than German after living here 50 -60 years.
I think the U.S. one realised the thing about Thorfinn, as a running joke starts in s2 that he may just be playing up his lack of language skills. In the most recent ep, it is also revealed that he, like Robin, learned another foreign language
I'd kind of figured that a lot of it was also more of just terms that he thinks of things in with them along with a more scandanavian vocal pattern with associations there for him.
@AzraelThanatos He learned Sass's language before English, and spoke that the entire time it was just them two. When he did first learn English it was definitely different from modern English. I always thought it that he just kinda gave up with the sentence structure in a way that he is more comfortable. So he can still retain the other languages he knows and learn new ones
Thanks for this comparison! One thing I think the British version gets better is the home. The British Button House looks a lot more run down, more decrepit, a lot scarier than the American Woodstone Mansion. the British pilot episode really conveyed well the sense that this was a crumbling, old building, and as the (living) characters walked through it, it looked both more spooky as well as quite frankly structurally dangerous. And the basement in particular looked terrifying, the stuff of nightmares. In the American show, however, while the living characters keep saying things like this place looks scary, in truth, it actually looks like a quaint older building rather than a neglected haunted mansion. It actually looks like a nice place for a B&B, in fact. The basement in the American version looks like a typical turn-of-the-20th century residential basement, not somewhere you'd expect to find a pre-modern mass grave of some sort. I would be terrified to dig in the British version basement, however. (at least IMHO).
I wouldn’t be surprised if the cast of uk ghosts had contact with English heritage/national trust or one of the various restoration and maintainence groups that work with historical heritage sites/buildings who would know the kinds of things you could expect to see in those kinds of inherited aging buildings
The house dating back to the 1400s is West Horsley Place. It was inherited in a run down state. By Bamber Gascoigne. The original presenter of University Challenge in 2014. He and his wife Christina set up a charity in 2015 to restore the building that work is still ongoing. Ownership of the building was given to the charity. It has also been used in Enola Holmes, Vanity Fair and Howards End.
I agree. The UK show is filmed in a 400 year old building while the US is filmed on a soundstage and it impacts the tone for me. Of course the US house would be much younger but I don't get the authentically dusty old mansion feeling from it the same way I do with Buttom House. It FEELS like a soundstage.
From what I understand, a Spanish adaptation is being rumored. But frankly, I would _love_ to see a Japanese version! I can honestly see this version having a JPop Idol from the late 2000s/early 2010s being the youngest ghost (both chronologically and biologically) instead of the Julian/Trevor who died during Japan's Lost Decade. Also, I think that Thomas and Sasaspis are closer parallels than one may think: both storytellers (Thomas being a poet, specifically), and they're both hopeless romantics.
Part of me wonders if the UK version avoided doing a Roman because Monty Python: Life of Brian is still one of the biggest comedies of all time. When you put the words 'comedy' and 'Roman' together it's hard not to think of Biggus Dickus. I remember they did some Roman stuff on Horrible Histories but perhaps they think it's a bit over-done and identified more with other characters.
10:47 I do remember Fanny and Humphrey getting it on 😂 There was an entire episode filled with it, but when he was 'complete', her crush was over rather swiftly.
I'm Australian and I love all your theories for the aussie series! Australians love taking the piss out of politicians so I wouldn't be surprised if we do get a Julian character like a Bob Hawke parody, and Scouts is quite big here so there probably will be a scout leader character too. I would love to see a Picnic at Hanging Rock type Edwardian lady and a Ned Kelly bushranger. I also wouldn't be surprised if there's more than one First Nations character, one from pre-colonisation and one from more recently to represent more perspectives (although the latter might be associated with too much trauma for a sitcom). Maybe they could do something similar to Alberta with an Aboriginal blues singer as an homage to The Sapphires.
@ The synopsis from the Paramount/Network Ten Upfronts makes it seem like the manor will be in the country. “New lovebirds Kate and Sean are about to jump into the hellscape that is the inner-city rental market, until Kate inherits a huge mansion in the country. Moving in together for the first time the young couple are attempting domestic bliss, but unbeknown to them, the house is haunted by a collection of needy spirits who died in Ramshead Manor over the last 200 years….” Ramshead Manor will probably be a pastoral manor, something like what was shown in A Place to Call Home.
@@sergioandrade8735 I think that’s why I didn’t see the parallels between Sass and Thomas at first, because that storyline was given to Trevor and it’s such a huge part of Thomas’ character and arc. And Sass being a storyteller and unlucky in love was revealed a bit more slowly
To me Sass is a lot like Humphrey. He is the second-oldest of the current ghosts, very sarcastic and observant (though in Humphrey's case this is because he can't move).
I liked how they used Sas’s linguistic and cultural fluency for the joke where he fakes Sam out with the lie that he’s a modern guy who died at a costume party.
I don't know if it has been mentioned before but Max Giermann, who is going to play the roman is also part of the main cast of a german show called Sketch History which is similar to Horrible Histories. So it's nice to know, that also people with apperantly a genuine interest in history work on the adaptations.
@@classicaljg Indeed. The Puritan ghost called Patience's lore only started to surface toward the end of S03. So it definitely a recurring act in S04. Oh, you also forget mentioning the ghost of Carol, Pete's widow, and Thorfinn's son, Bjorn.
What I find amusing is that everyone in the US version is like... hotter? The UK version just look like normal people. Anyway, Italian Ghosts would definitely have a Roman. And either a Renaissance artist OR a Thomas-style Medieval poet who is insanely jealous of Dante's popularity and forever sore Florentine became standard use Italian rather than whatever dialect HE speaks (which should be something obscure and rarely spoken, and he speaks with subtitles the entire first series until it's revealed that GASP he CAN speak Italian!). Then maybe one of Garibaldi's Thousand? A partisan? An early 20th century Anarchist, A Sicilian Arab, maybe? Idk, so many to choose from.
A note on nativism/ indigenousness in Britain. The “waves and waves” of migration into Britain can be characterised by two major factors, those being : the genetic exchange was between already similar groups and large scale replacement (without dramatic genetic exchange). The later migrations during the “migration era”, were again between genetically and culturally similar groups - the Romans left little to no genetic trace amongst the Britons. Looking ahead to the Viking era. The, primarily Danish Vikings, came roughly from the same areas that the Angles and Jutes had originally set off from. The separation in time between the Celtic migration and post Roman migration into Britain was so great, that those who lived here during that time had reached homogeneity enough to be considered a distinct and native people. With the Germanic tribes mixing later, during the early medieval period, creating a new largely homogeneous people. With the difference between the Brythonic and Germanic peoples being so minuscule, it can be compared to the difference between Apache and Comanche Americans - a once homogeneous group that splintered into two separate cultures. The last major migration into Britain, which bought a genetic impact, was the Norman invasion. The Normans being a genetically similar group to the British and the genetic impact is mostly negligible for the majority of the population. So if you can call someone whose ancestry goes back ( at least) to 9th century New Mexico , native - even though, their ancestors mixed with Arizonan Natives. It necessarily follows that you can call the genetically homogeneous British, native. It’s only due to Taboo and a greater understanding of your own history, not necessarily genetic or cultural exchange, that you can’t say we are native to our country. Native American history is a blind spot for many people, often viewing them as one monocultural and homogeneous group devoid of mixing, borders and inter cultural warfare. Instead viewing pre columbian America with as being similar or analogous to European cultural and genetic exchange. I research population exchange within many different cultures and I find it very offensive that we “give” some groups Native status but not others. Otherwise great video. Kudos on debunking the “burning witch” trope, which has unfortunately ruined modern discourse around history and religion.
15:40 imo it's because of the difference in character, since Sassapis would have wanted to learn English whereas Thorfinn is much more stubborn and hesitant, plus it adds to comedy aspect.
They even both chase butterflies. I feel there’s a lot of mix and remix with these characters rather than one-to-one (except with Pat/Pete, at least at first).
The jury system saved a lot of lives during the witch trials in England. Just going north of the border to Scotland where only a majority was needed to convict, the deaths from executions shoot through the roof.
To be fair James VI of Scotland (later I of England also) tried to control this - he both had a fascination with witchcraft and wanted to find out what was happening in his Kingdom and how to prevent it, but he also recognised that not everyone accused was a witch or had done anything wrong so he overturned at least some of the verdicts after questioning the women personally. I'd recommend the podcast series "A history of witchcraft" by Samuel Hulme as a great resource for finding out how the period went (primarily in the UK though he did have some stuff on the continent). If you're still interested in his podcasts his ongoing ones now are "Pax Britannica" (currently doing a great job of the English Civil Wars) and "Winds of Change" (talking about the end of British Empire, starting off with the Indians).
You mentioning Kylie at the end, reminds me that for a charity special (can't remember if it was CiN or Comic Relief) they had a storyline where Kylie was at the house and it was revealed that she, too, could see ghosts. I wonder if the Australian version finds some way to tie in that weird extra bit of trivia from an obscure mini-episode somehow.
The reason Sassapis speaks better English than Thorfinn is because Sassapis is much smarter than Thorfinn. That is the point that is being made. In fact, Sassapis is clearly the most intelligent character in the American series. In America, in treatments of Salem witches in tv and movies they are usually shown being burned. Did not know they were hanged. The American headless ghost Crash probably died riding a motorcycle not a car. Imagine hitting a taut wire at neck level while riding a motorcycle at full speed. If you ride a motorcycle in America (or a mountain bike) you have probably heard about this kind of decapitation. And there is an episode in the American TV series "The Night Stalker" where a motorcycle rider from the 1950's is decapitated while riding. It's definitely a headless corpse trope in America. IRL, It is more common in an off road context.
That's interesting. I'm from the US and I don't think I've ever seen a portrayal of the Salem witch trials in which the condemned weren't hanged. I've seen tv and movies that showed people being burned, but all of those were set in Europe.
Imagine how crazy the Finnish version of Ghosts could be if there ever will be one. Just a little mix of Finnish folklore with the concept of the Ghosts series, we can get very interesting possible plot directions, such as that living people can become "pseudo-ghosts" and separate from their bodies while they are asleep.
I’ve come across the concept of living ghosts before but I didn’t know it was particularly popular in Finland, that’s really interesting :) I would love to see a Finnish version - I don’t know if I’ve ever seen any Finnish films or TV shows but if Finnish comedy is as deadpan and goofy at the same time as their F1 drivers it must be great 😂
I believe you have mentioned it in the video. But I wish the US version also include the creepy little girl ghost, just for a reason of her rare appearances in made the show feeling a little bit spookier. I love the trope that the other ghosts even creeping out whenever that little girl appeared out of nowhere singing nursery rhyme.
Interestingly, there was a creepy little girl ghost like this on the American Daytime gothic soap opera DARK SHADOWS In the late 1960s (Sarah Collins, the vampire Barnabas Collins' little sister, whose appearances were often heralded by a solo flute playing, "London Bridge is Falling Down").
What would be a funny thing for an episode for Ghosts (US version), would be that Thorfinn messes up one day and speaks perfect English. As in, he always could, but just chose not to, doesn't bother speaking English perfectly because he doesn't feel like it. Maybe the first English speakers he met were Danish Americans?
@@GlennGTO Fair point. I guess that solves that. So, we're all still wondering then why he choses to speak broken English when he's had centuries to get it right.
As an Australian I could see our version of Jemima being a waltzing Matilda style person as in that song they are singing and then drown themselves to escape the police. And it’s mentioned in the song that if you go past the lake you can still hear them singing waltzing Matilda
Can't you hear "Waltzing Matilda" constantly in Australia? I was told it was played by every drop bear by an Aussie I met in London. And the kookaburras apparently all play "Down under" constantly too.
using the not too traumatic death would mean nothing from the great famine, or possibly from the civil war in early 20s, if set in Kilmainham Gaol sold off to private property dealer who falls down the stairs.
This is so great! What better way is there for sooo many people to include to their everyday mind the fact that history always happened everywhere, in a really fun way, than having this show for as many places and cultures as possible! Thank you for looking over it from your historian perpective as an addition to your enthusiasm
hey, huge fan of ghosts here - glad i came across this video :) coincidentally i just saw the cast photos/descriptions of the german and french casts and i'm quite excited! the german one in particular seemed a little lacking in deviation from the original british version, which was a little disappointing, but i'm hoping that will change as they develop the characters' personalities a little. the french version seems much more intriguing to me - they chose to tackle the vichy era with the collaborator ghost, which i can appreciate, and i think it'd be really cool if the soldier ghost is from the same time period. of course the 'lady of the manor' ghost might have been killed in the revolution, which would make a really interesting plot point. super excited as well to see which direction the aussie version takes :) having heard some political stories from aussie friends i think they could totally do an analog to julian (lol) and i think your ideas for the outlaw and the soap star would be amazing to watch! i imagine they could also tap into australia's past as a penal colony and have an escaped prisoner, and maybe they could also put a twist on the 'lady of the manor' ghost and instead have a young british aristocrat who left home in search of adventure. in any case, can't wait! :)
As someone who is not Australian at all, when I think of 'stereotypical' australian things, ghosts would include something like: - Surfer dude ghost - Ghost who died from some sort animal attack like a crocodile or from a deadly spider bite - british or irish ghost from penal colony (only possible if it's at specific locations I guess) - first nation ghost - just some ghost from any era who accidentally ate the wrong bush tucker lol
in terms of the australian one, it would be great if there was more representation! esp. asian characters, if its set somewhere in victoria i could imagine a chinese miner ghost from the 1850s because i know there was a lot of chinese immigrants coming over to the goldfields. but regardless i think asian immigration is such a big thing in australian history, so it would be great to have more characters like that, and not only have white british people! continuing with the gold rush, there could be all types of characters from then- the huge numbers of immigrants to the gold fields from all over the world, someone from the eureka stockade maybe (or a similar fictionalised event), rich buisness types from the latter half of the 19th century, maybe from afterwards when the money was running out, an edward cole type character of an eccentric rich melburnian.... so many possibilities! also i could imagine some ww1/ww2 ghosts, but since there were so little deaths in australia that would be kind of hard- maybe a ww1 nurse in training who died? of course there would have to be some convict ghosts, its pretty much a given, though it depends exactly where its set. there could also be a burke and wills type of character, an explorer of the frontier who died from something out in the bush. i would imagine in regional victoria you would be able to conceivably have the gold rush, convicts, a bushranger, a boarding school, and all those sorts of settings and characters. although it could really be anywhere in australia, i just know most about melbourne! no matter where it goes, i think australian history is so interesting but sadly often ignored so this show would be a great way to explore how interesting it is!
Salem resident here (tour guide, too)! Oh, so many tourists think that accused witched were burned in the US. Nope! Hanging in the states. Burning more of a European thing. Here in Salem, 19 people were hung, and one was crushed to death. The US series takes place in Hudson Valley, north of NYC, although it is filmed in the Province of Quebec (Montreal area). New York State is not part of New England. BTW, my favorite ghost is Isaac, and I love the fact that his boyfriend is the British soldier that he shot during the war.
Piggybacking off of you: while New York did have witch trials, none, to my knowledge, were legally executed for witchcraft. Almost all were acquitted (some even came from Connecticut and moved to New York to live normal lives afterwards), and then there was one who, sadly, was killed by a mob while in her home. But who knows? Any records of witch trials in my home state were lost in a fire in 1911.
Hanging was the main form of execution for witches in England and Scotland too, mainly because it was a crime in law and was tried in a court (where execution was by hanging except for Treason). Burning was more of a thing we did to people of the "opposite" form of Christianity (I.E. Bloody Mary burned lots of protestants, Elizabeth I burned a few Catholics).
An in depth breakdown of sitcoms + discussion of world history + a lower decks Tom Paris collectors plate in the background? This is the type of niche content I come to the internet for! I watch the US version of Ghost and have seen some of the UK version, and I thought of the shows as building upon pop culture knowledge and tropes relating to memorable period in each countries history, but I like how you bring up ghost folklore from each country too! Both the 50's Greaser ghost and 80's prom ghost do come from American urban legend archetypes, which is such a valid source of inspiration for the shows!
I love the idea of a roman in the german version. Wish we had a roman in the british version. But again the german version has to have a roman because they probably dont want to show any form of german militarism.
I do hope the new versions can emancipate themselves from the UK and US mold! Ghosts is such a vibrant world and interesting concept for a show! So the producers of all adaptations should lean into their regional differences and specialities. I was honestly quite disappointed that the German version would so closely match the British one. But I'm nontheless excited for it, especially the Roman ghost. Thank you for the video!^^
Right? The core concept: "Modern person gains the ability to interact with ghosts in some funny sitcom way" should be WIDE open to interpretation. The writers/cast of the original show came up with their concept. The American folks took that concept almost beat for beat, with some relatively minor changes. Other adaptations could easily do their own thing with it, if they chose to. Though I wonder if there are any legal / copyright ramifications to making extreme changes and still claiming relation to the original? I never know how all of that behind the scenes stuff works...
There could be several American versions. A California or Texas or Michigan version could have a wildly different cast of ghosts than the upstate New York location of the CBS ghosts series
There is Monte Cristo in Junee here in Australia that is supposed to be "the most Haunted" homestead in AU. It's late Victorian and was built/commissioned by one the town's founders Christopher Crawley (So even the name is kinda spooky) A true rags to riches type story. The woman who is reportedly to haunt the place was his wife who apparently locked herself away after his death. There are reportedly 10 other ghosts haunting the place, ranging from a plethora of deaths. So I'm thinking this would be on the short lists of places to film, especially given the current owner's hardships.
Flower is more of a Kitty than a Mary. I would say Alberta is more of a Mary because they were both plotted against. I think they are setting up Sasappis to be a lovelorn Thomas.
Also sass is a story teller so him learning language properly would br a hogher priority to him while not as much for thorfinn. Also revealed in season 4 that thorfinn knew how to speak lenape to speak with sass so enlgish is his third language and probably couodnt be bothered at that point.
I enjoyed all your information, observations, and speculations. As a big fan of the American series who would also like to see more of the British series and find out how the German and Australian versions turn out, I really hope that you do the update you mentioned once more information on the latter two is available. In particular, it might be helpful to include clips (with English captions for the German show naturally) so you don’t need to spend quite so much time describing how the various characters are played. As for Thorfin speaking broken English while Sass sounds like a mainstream modern American accent, I guess they wanted the same humor of a prehistoric character struggling with a language barrier that Robin generated, but didn’t want to overdo the “dumb primitive can’t talk right” trope by inflicting it upon the Native American as well. Whilst Thor doesn’t have the same “different brain” excuse as Robin, I think his odd speech patterns could be thematically explained. Unlike Sass, Thor represents (to the American mind at least) a warlike, prejudiced mentality. His obsession with Danes demonstrates that he has not made much effort to move past the violent and competitive mores of his time and culture (again, as modern Americans would perceive it.) So it might seem reasonable to the show runners that such a boorish, aggressive person would make less effort to fully master English. If he gets his main points across (and he does), the details of grammar are not a major concern for him. Indeed, he may well take some pride in retaining his worldview, as when he continues calling cars “land ships”, simply because he doesn’t much like taking other perspectives. In short, he is the epitome of what modern Americans loathe in ourselves. Or our neighbors, to the extent that we can project those qualities on others. It’s no surprise that the person chosen to represent these characteristics is the one least likely to be considered an actual American. Sass, on the other hand, is from one of the people groups that suffered most from the formation and expansion of colonies and the eventual European-style nations. You are probably right that they purposely avoided making his death a product of colonial or post-colonial oppression of indigenous peoples. But given our collective sense of guilt for how his people were treated, even if it was after his time, an American audience clearly likes his portrayal as arguably the smartest, funniest, most adaptable individual of the Ghost ensemble. I get the strong impression that he is a fan favorite. So naturally, he needs to speak as much like us as possible. 😉
It's implied that Thorfinn is just messing with everyone (Thor still calling cars 'landships' while it's shown that he can understand more modern things, "you can understand [modern thing] but still call cars landships"). Sas is also an observer. Watching everyone around him, it makes sense that he would pick things up after observing the things and people around him for 500 years.
The UK show is one of my biggest personal Mandela Effects. I have such a distinct memory watching it in the house I lived in my 2nd and 3rd year of university. My roommates had some sort of tv box and there were a bunch of shows on it and I remember watching it in the living room of that house so distinctly. The only problem is, that show started in 2019 and I moved out of that house in 2017!! I remember them announcing the finale and I’m like, wow that show got a pretty good run only to google and realize it had only been on 4 years not 7 or 8 like I thought. I’m still flabbergasted to this day. I don’t even know if I saw an actual episode until 2022 or 2023 but I can so distinctly remember seeing it in that house.
The US show is in the Hudson Valley, New York part of the Mid-Atlantic Region not New England. The ghosts Crash and Stephanie were killed by a chainsaw-wielding killer which is why his head was cut off. "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" with its headless horseman is set in the Hudson Valley so maybe a future show will explore this.
@@markgrindol859 I did wonder why they hadn’t done more with the Sleepy Hollow legend, but the US show had a lot more episodes so they might explore it a bit this season. They’ve gone an interesting route with the witch trials - looks like we’ll be seeing someone who accused other people of witchcraft rather than a victim
@@classicaljg That identification is incorrect. Stephanie was killed in 1987; her boyfriend's name was Tad, he wore a light suit with a flower in his lapel. Crash, given his clothing, way of speaking, and musical preferences, appears to be from the 1950s. Same as with Sassapis, there is not an explanation yet about how he died.
@@classicaljg I actually live in the area where the show is set (and close to the real Sleepy Hollow)! I'm also surprised they didn't lean into the headless ghost. Then again, that would've been half of the main cast of ghosts dying in the 20th century.
This is really cool, thank you for this video. I am a huge fan of Ghosts and Horrible Histories so it’s exciting to see further adaptations of this beloved show. I’m especially looking forward to the Australian one and hope they are respectful with its history ofc.
One of the strengths of the concept is that it can be used in different countries and even different regions of the same country. As another Pratchett fan, I'd like to think that he would enjoy this show.
There was a fantastic Australian series called Spirits that features a single ghost who was a British rocker (70s era I think). I love it (I'm American) so I'm looking forward to the Australian version of ghosts
@@rc31802 Yes! It was called 'Spirited'. I loved that series. It felt like it took inspiration from 'The Ghost and Mrs Muir'. I was so mad when it got cancelled but it's still worth watching. Fans of 'Ghosts' will definitely like it.
I could yap about the captains repressed homosexuality forever, even down to the convenient positioning of a “keep it under your hat” propaganda poster. Even down to his sort of coming out in S5 EP5 was literally so beautiful and demonstrated how the ghosts can break out of beliefs from their time and develop different attitudes to certain topics (Fanny’s change from calling the lesbian wedding “scandalous” and a “spectacle” to being the one to call the captain brave.) I love their dynamics, I love the captain, I love the show
~We know so far from the Paramount/10 press release that the Australian version will have a humans called Kate and Sean and will be set in the country at Ramshead Manor and will feature 6 ghosts.
I would like to see in the Australian version the "basement ghosts" be a bunch of prisoners. Cause Australia used to be a place where prisoners were sent to in the 1788 to 1868. That would work perfectly for that group of people. Yes, that was horrible, but it works so well for the show.
25:10 she does make another appearance, during the burglary episode! 🎶burglary in progress🎶 I love the UK version, and I actually took years before seeing the CBS version because I was certain it was going to be another example of the yanks taking a concept from another country and ruining it in adaptation. But I really like how they've done it, at this point the CBS version really is its own thing. When it comes to Thorfinn and his English, my theory is that he's just fking with them. They've dropped hints in the past, but its becoming so much of a thing that the others are calling him out on it. It does make sense though, the man has learned at least three languages, with both English and Lenape having been through immersion alone. There's also the structural differences between them all. But I still reckon he's doing it to screw with everyone.
I belive that Robin speaks broken English by choice and that him speaking French perfectly is just showing how he could speak English "normaly" if he wanted to, like I see it more as a dialect that he's purposely chosen to keep
On the point about the two Captains. The US version could have had a WW2 ghost as the British ghost was killed by a heart attack not military action, so a US WW2 Captain could have suffered the same fate.
For the Australian version of Ghosts, you have the British who invaded Australia, but you also have the British who were transported to Australia against their will. So if they wanted to replicate the thing from US Ghosts, where there are two ghosts who were rivals, they might consider going down that route. Australian Ghosts might also want to have a ghost that was killed by a kangaroo, a crocodile, a spider or some other dangerous creature. They might even want to go down the Drop Bear route and have a newly arrived Brit see a koala and then get so scared that they run away and fall off of a cliff or something.
Australian soldier who somehow died in the Emu War seems like a fun way to cover the animal related death and have a soldier. So he would be a WWI vet, but still a reason to be back in Australia and also a really silly death.
Australian here, I think there's potential for someone of 18thC French descent if it's set in Sydney, and maybe a 19thC Chinese ghost, or an American from the gold rush era, or anyone from before the White Australia policy. There's lots of scope for different types of characters. I fully expect a 'Dad & Dave' type character too.
If they had Sass speak like Thordan, there would have been some serious outcry from the Native American community. Also, Julian and Fanny lampshaded ( in season 5 (about "getting together" (like Hetty and Trevor)" as it were, but then hastily mix that idea. I thought that was a nice nod to US version.
As an Australian who grew up on Ghosts, I've always had a couple ideal Australian ghosts in mind. I'd have it set in a beachside-mansion or manor in NSW. 1. An Indigenous Australian Elder From pre-colonisation era 50-60 yrs old Wise, kind, a bit sarcastic Maybe died of natural causes 2. A Portuguese or Dutch explorer From pre-colonisation 30-40yrs olds Scaredy cat Got lost and died of a snake bite 3. Convict Young adult bitter on the outside but really kind at heart Brought over for stealing a loaf of bread and died of malnutrition once in Australia 4. Chinese Immigrant from the Gold Rush Young adult male with a loving family was looking to start a new life but worked too hard died of Heatstroke 5. Since CBS Ghosts recently confirmed animal ghosts as a thing. I would love to have a Simpson and his donkey inspired character from around 1915. 6. A private school girl early - mid 20th century 18/19yrs old she is essentially the lady of the house type character due to her upbringing Prim, polite and proper Died in maybe a similar way to Hetty (might be too dark) 7. Surf Lifesaver Female late 20th century is the AUS version of Pat/Pete as surf lifesaving is a very Australian equivalent of scouts Feminist, Cheery Drowned whilst performing a rescue with no equipment 8. Real estate agent AUS version of Trevor and Julian Cocky, Smart, bit of a liar etc Died whilst trying cut costs on renovating the house (somehow pantless?) This is the main cast I've thought of but some other fun character that I havn't fully developed include, a crocodile hunter, an eshay, a war nurse, a Steve Irwin type character, Colonial and A shearer. BUT i really love your idea of a Ned Kelly character and an actor/singer. sorry if my history isn't quite correct, I've had some of these ideas for forever
This is brilliant and I would watch the heck out of it! :D It's great to hear from someone Australian as my life experience is so completely European/American (my husband is American - my great-great grandparents met and got married in Australia but they were there with the British Army so that would be a complicated and depressing part of history to cover!). I would definitely have someone from a private girls' school whose death was similar to Hetty, though that might be my obsession with Picnic at Hanging Rock talking! And I'm a Brit who grew up on Neighbours (and to a lesser extent Home and Away) so somewhere near the beach would totally be essential.
@@classicaljg When I was researching to create these characters i found it way to hard not go totally depressing, however Australian gothic literature is something heavily taught at our schools, which led to my obsession too. Which leads me to hope the might consider putting something along those lines in the AUs version as it is taught in schools anyway. I too feel like the beach is essential, because Australia is so well known for its terrain and biodiversity, and imagine all the cool characters and storylines a beachside home could entail. Can't wait to see any future videos you put out about it when it airs.
@ That’s so true about the beach - and now I need to go read some Australian gothic fiction, as I’m not familiar with it outside of Picnic at Hanging Rock! (My knowledge of Australian culture comes mostly from Bluey these days 😆)
Some ideas I had for Australian ghosts: - an indigenous person from 12,000 years ago or more when megafauna still roamed the continent - a convict (1788-1860s period), perhaps died of scurvy? - gold miner from the gold rush (1850s-1880s period) - a bushranger is definitely a given, they’d be a really fun character! - you could absolutely have a poet, inspired by Banjo Patterson or Dorothea Mackellar from the late 1800s. - perhaps an Edwardian actress or singer? The Australian film industry was pretty big in the very early days (also federation and white women’s right to vote around this time) - scouting has been in Australia for a very long time and it’s pretty big here, I think that would be a fun character to have! - Australians love to poke fun at our politicians, so I could see the Julian character staying as a politician and I think most people would really enjoy that, a politician dying with his pants down is EXACTLY the sort of joke that goes down well here You could easily make it pretty diverse with the cast - there were bushrangers from all different backgrounds and genders (and you could incorporate the captain’s death with Captain Moonlite’s relationship and death, there are lots of parallels), and a lot of people came from China for the gold rush and had large communities, and almost all of the other characters could easily be diverse too.
I would like the possibilities with other countries, even though there aren't remakes (for now) in that country. Edit: I just realized the reference to "stupid deaths" in the cbs version
I feel like an interesting aspect of Mary's witch burning is that it wasn't her original death- they planned on having a drowned witch but couldn't figure out how that could possibly work on film, so went with burning instead, reagrdless of historical accuracy.
I just thought of some casts for if they Ghosts, in asian countries: Ghosts Russia: A Political Leader A Writer A Musician An Artist An Inventor A WW2 Soldier A 16th Century Warrior A Polar Bear Ghosts India: A Social Reformer A Spiritual Leader A Technian A Freedom Fighter A Dancer A Philosopher A Sikh Warrior An Elephant Ghosts China: A Wealthy Lord A Martial Artist A Calligrapher A Farmer A Scientist A Reglious Leader An Ancient Chinese Warrior A Tiger
For the Australian version I’d love to see a First Nations Elder from the period of first migration to Australia - around 60+ thousand years ago/Dreamtime. This way you could have a character that parallels Robin, and it may be more respectful of First Nations custom to not name or show a person who has passed. I could be wrong though. As far as other characters go, it depends where the possible show is set as it would need to be in Victoria or New South Wales to have a convict or British sailor from the First Fleet. Ideally I’d like to see Australia’s multicultural history represented. We’ve had immigrants as far back as the 19th century from non UK countries. Especially an influx from post World War II Europe onwards. I think an athlete and a bogan would also be hilarious, especially as it can represent Australia’s varied social classes and love of sport. Honestly I think there are so many options depending on where they set the show. Boarding schools in the country, or on a farmstead would be possible.
I don’t know enough about Australian First Nations customs other than not naming or showing a deceased person. How would a character from the first migration period avoid that? Is that considered different, culturally?
@SPQRKlio acting is different. As in if there was an actor that was Aboriginal that passed away in real life...a warning would be put up at the beginning of the show that the show contained images of a deceased Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander person .
@SPQRKlio that's generally for depicting real people that have passed on like in documentaries etc not actors . As long as they don't use specific historical Aboriginal figures it should be okay.
I would say Flower is Kitty's counterpart. They're voth innocently airheaded albeit for different reasons, but they both see and appreciate the good qualities in people. I would also say that Sas js the equivalent of Thomas, being a storyteller. Also, in one of the episodes, the other ghosts did address how ridiculous it is that Thor speaks broken English. I think it was the second episode. I can't remember exactly what was said, but it was when he called the car a landship.
The RUclips algorithm said I would be interested in watching this, and I was astounded that there is a German version coming out. That being said, and being Australian, I posted this on another comments board (* new comment): There will be a First Nations ghost. (* whether he or she is just before the First Fleet or not it to be determined) There will be a First Fleet ghost- whether it’s a convict or an officer, we shall see. (* just thought if there were a convict and an officer they could be attracted to each other) Will there be a present day politician sans pants? I’m trying to think of some scandal that would qualify. (* now I think of it, this ghost could be another tip of the hat to the idea of excess and materialism/capitalism- a real estate mogul, of the 1980's and 1990's.) There is sure to be a Victorian/Edwardian era matriarch. (* there was a TV mini series about rival crime lord matriarchs during the 1920's- as a twist perhaps thus ghost could be a crime queen, but rules the roost like a period matriarch) There might be a World War Digger, but wouldn’t be funny if there was a Japanese POW ghost there. (* An American GI ghost would work- during WWII a lot of American soldiers were stationed in Australia) Would there a sixties hippy ghost, ala the US house? Could there be a New Australian ghost, from the 1950’s migration boom?
My family (American) have watched the British "Ghosts," and the American "Ghosts" - we always look forward to when a new episode airs. I don't have a favorite; I love them both. They each have different characters, as well as similar characters who are different by being in different circumstances, played by different actors, written by different writers, surrounded by different characters, etc. They're both clever, witty, funny, poignant at times, and very entertaining. I was not completely satisfied with the ending of the British show. I get what they did, but it felt.. I dunno, it felt unsatisfying to me. I still like the show, though. I'm curious how the US version will choose to end. We tend to like to milk things for as long as we can- too long, sometimes. I hope this show doesn't "jump the shark," as we say, but goes out on a high note, in some way or another. The last show we saw featured a snail, and for whatever reason, that cracked me the heck up!! If you've seen the snail episode, or if you haven't yet, I hope you are as tickled as I was. Just silly. It is safe to assume the German version will be in German. I took German in high school, but that was 25+ years ago, and I haven't practiced, but if I can watch it with subtitles, I probably will try to check it out! The Aussie version will no doubt be in English (or what passes for English in Australia - kidding!!), so I'll be very eager to see that show, when I can.
@@TSIRKLAND I didn’t like the ending of the British one much either - it would have been better to end on the last regular episode instead of the Christmas special, I found that one more satisfying.
The newest ghost between the us and uk versions is carol in the us version died choking on a donut hole. She died in season 3. She is only a recurring character and not a regular
I enjoyed the British version, the US version has gotten, to my eye, quite mean spirited. I also think it's weird that the ghost have been given powers that would have made the existence of ghosts very obvious in the real world. Hope to see the new versions do well, though Australia seems to be odd, jumping right from Aborigines to the Botany Bay. One placed in China could be interesting, layers of history there. An area Rome ruled over would be interesting too.
While I don't think I find the US version to be mean-spirited, exactly, I'm struggling with the apparent inconsistencies in some character traits across the seasons. Maybe they got new writers, or maybe writing so many episodes per season is becoming difficult. Or maybe the studio is meddling, ha.
@@linphillips8331 I'd say it's most likely down to the writing staff. In the UK for most shows you either have one person writing the 7-10 episodes per season, or a small team who stay permanently on the project until it's done. In the US, because they have to have 26-30 episodes per series or it doesn't get picked up you have to have a writing staff which by it's very nature is a. large and 2) probably rotates around a lot. This means you need a switched on showrunner or lead writer who maintains a thorough "show bible" which makes sense of each character, their traits, what they can and can't do, and what they've said in the past, so that continuity is maintained and people new to the show can refer to it and previous scripts quickly to work out if their story idea fits in (or even which character to give it to sometimes). I'd also agree that their studios meddle a lot more - this can be down to both the studio having an idea for what they want to see, and sometimes thanks to advertisers objecting to certain plot points or storylines which then have to be amended or removed so that the advertisers don't pull their material from that show or even go elsewhere in the worst cases. At least in the UK even on channels backed by advertising they seem to interfere a lot less in the making of programs, which probably says something about how worried they are in the US about people having a negative reaction to something and associating it with adverts, even if that happens or doesn't happen (I don't think people are as dumb as some of the advertisers worry they are).
Never watching TV nor films I have no idea what you are talking about. But what a wonderful mechanism for studying comparative spiritual beliefs/folklore. I am sure that the US and British Civil Wars are important in understanding our differences. So many of the older ghost stories in the US come from the Civil War, which of course popularised Spiritualism in the US. Given its lack of WASP history, Gothic in America is associated with Victorian and thus is a genre of terror. Whereas the destruction of original Gothic Churches, Cathedrals and Castles by Cromwell's troops created the Gothic edifices' which inspired the likes of Walpole, Radcliffe and Lewis. Indeed, without the reaction to puritanism I doubt if such novels would ever have been written, nor Strawberry Hill built. But I would contend that it is the merging of Romanticism with Gothic which was so important to the Gothic Revival. Thus in Britain it was not so much terror as horror, a horror influenced by Carlyle and Ruskin's reaction to industrialisation. What of Germany? Interesting that you picked up on the importance of Romanticism. I might that poltergeist is a German concept and folklore appears to be more important. Of course, it is positive that they mention the witch trials, I do hope it isn't too influenced by Margaret Morris? Australia? Who knows, but Melbourne is rather like Manchester, a most Gothic of cities.
@@TheMagicofJava it’s interesting that the US version doesn’t have a civil war ghost - they went for the war of independence instead, maybe because of the musical Hamilton’s influence?! I’m hoping they do a phantom hitchhiker at some point, which is common to both the US and the UK and the UK version did feature briefly :) I don’t know much about Australian ghost folklore so I’m really interested to see what they do with it! :)
@@classicaljg Plenty of hitchhiker stories in Australia and for some reason the A41 in Shropshire, although I cannot think of a connection, apart from for Shropshire the area being flat and one can see for miles.
@@TheMagicofJava I wonder if the Australian version will find a way to incorporate a vanishing hitchhiker - it would be quite fun to have a ghost that keeps leaving the house and then coming back again! I grew up near Bluebell Hill so I have a fascination with vanishing hitchhikers :)
@@classicaljgit’s likely they didn’t go the civil war route because the civil war was fought in the southern US, where the revolutionary war was fought in the north
Honestly they could've had a more proper Sir Humprhy and Thomas stand in for the US version. A Headlass Horseman type character would've fit neatly into new england as well as a Edgar Allen Poe type character for the moody writer archetype
The very famous American short story (which has many adaptations), “The Legend of Sleepy Hollow,” features the Headless Horseman. I could actually see combining the Captain and Humphrey somewhat for that. It’s always interesting seeing what parallels people find between ghosts on the two shows, since the U.S. version sometimes combines traits from different characters. Sometimes Kitty and Flower are compared, for instance. I do think it’s interesting the characters they skipped - Thomas’s least appealing (for a lot of viewers) trait is his continued bothering of Alison. He’s eliminated, but that bit is given to Trevor, albeit (I think) temporarily. There are certainly American poets. They could have used Phillis Wheatley, for instance, a black female poet during the Revolution, for inspiration, On the other side, Matoaka/Pocahontas/Rebecca Rolfe died in England, but I digress. I enjoy both shows.
I know this is a great video, and the subject comparisons are quite well thought out, but i keep getting distracted by your impressive collection of Terry Pratchett hardback books on the shelf. The lighting glare makes it so hart to view, lol
Came to the comments because I was thinking the exact same thing.. the really odd part is that it looks like she switched from paperbacks to hardbacks at about the same time I did lol
This has got me thinking of a Canadian version that could be set in Toronto, Montreal or Halifax, and the ghosts could be: - “Lady of the House” from the 1870s (Mary Walsh from This Hour Has 22 Minutes) - A fur trader’s daughter who died in the Seven Years War (Karine Vanasse from The Traitors Canada) - An escaped slave who escaped to Canada (Rainbow Sun Francks from Stargate Atlantis) - Mohawk, Algonquin or Beothuk matriarch (Kiiawentiio from Netflix’s Avatar: The Last Airbender) - A Chinese laundromat owner from the 1930s (Andrew Phung aka Kimchi from Kim’s Convenience) - The Lady’s favourite Irish servant (Jonny Harris from Murdoch Mysteries) - A WWII era Canadian Army captain (Daniel Maslany from Murdoch Mysteries OR Daniel Levy from Schitts Creek) - The Scout Leader (Gerry Dee from Family Feud Canada OR Brent Butt from Corner Gas) - A hard partying lawyer or Bay Street type (Shawn Ashmore from The Rookie) - A local MP with a penchant for dressing up (Priyanka from Canada’s Drag Race in AND out of drag) The ghosts of children could be from a nearby first nations residential school (the plague ghosts), and another group of ghosts could be of cultists who used to use the house as a HQ before drinking the kool-aid (the voice cast of Total Drama could star here), and perhaps if this series was on CBC, Yannick Bisson and Helene Joy could play the ghosts of Detective William Murdoch and Dr Julia Ogden, and the living couple of the show “frees” them from protecting the house.
@@chefjohnleung I would watch that show! Hard to do clothing changes for the ghosts though, unless they made it more like the Sixth Sense (ghost can wear any of the layers from one complete outfit) rather than the original Ghosts (Thomas can’t get rid of a letter in his pocket)
@@classicaljgit would be! I can also imagine the Laundromat Owner (let’s call him Ah Wai) could be the Captain (let’s call him Corporal Ross)’s secret lover. The possibilities are endless. And Mary Walsh would be perfect in the Lady Fanny role…i can’t see any Canadian actresses taking that role.
I have JUST (20 Dec) managed to track down some information about the upcoming French version of Ghosts! Full video on that to follow in January :)
Are you aware of the 1970s series The Ghosts of Motley Hall? It's often cited as one of the inspirations for Ghosts, as it had a very similar premise: A group of ghosts from different historical eras all stuck together in an abandoned stately home. There are even some similar characters - a British Army officer ghost and an 18th century romantic fop. There are obviously a lot of differences too, as it was an inspiration rather than an outright template, but it's a decent and fun little series.
@@moreau1755 Sounds cool - is it available on streaming anywhere? (I'm in America so no BBC player, sadly).
I can already see one character for the French version, a female/Marie Antoinette like version of UK's Humphrey Ignatius Bone or Headless Humphrey a Catholic Tudor nobleman who died after being accidentally beheaded. His body spends most of the time searching for his head rather unsuccessfully.
@@spikeoramathon After a quick check, it seems that the series has been uploaded to RUclips.
@@moreau1755 Now that you mention it, it rings a bell, but I haven't seen it - thank you, I'll try to track it down and check it out! :)
I suspect that the reason there is no scout master in the DE version is that they don't want any references or implications to the Hitler Youth.
@@nickstefanisko I dunno, Pat/Pete is 1980s?
There are Scouts in Germany, but it's kinda a niche thing and not as commonplace and more church affiliated. Yeah, but for sure a ghost in a uniform that "worked" with youth in the past...no one would go "Oh, of course he was the scout master of the local council and died during summer camp in 1984." Having a teacher who was killed during a (one week) class trip, I guess, would feel much more organic to a German audience and a mix of Flowers and Petes characters would fit perfectly.
@@quinbensoncryptidthey could do a Young Pioneers leader from Easter Germany.
Germany has a long history, the Hitler Youth only existed for about 15 years of it, it would be quite possible to have a German scout master from a different era.
Yeah but it is kinda what first comes to mind esp with scout uniforms
The plot revolving why theres no nazi ghost is because they all went to hell 😂😂😂
There's was an early British episode where the human couple tries to live somewhere else but the woman sees ghosts everywhere including see two German pilots stranded in mid-air when she looks into living in a high rise.
@@sergioandrade8735I was stepping up to say this very thing.
Perhaps they weren't ideologically actual Nazis. Perhaps they were just an incredibly good sight gag with a real nasty follow through for anybody with empathy.
Don't forget that most Germans in the military in World War II were not actually Nazis. They could have done something like have the house be a war hospital during the war and have a German doctor who died from an accident. But there are laws against glorifying the Nazis in Germany, so doing a WWII character that didn't break the law would be tricky and they would probably have to have a lot of conversations with lawyers to avoid having some episodes get banned. "Don't mention the war" was probably a much easier decision.
WWI would have been a lot easier than WWII (as there were no Nazis back then) but seeing as World War I happened in Germany (but not the UK) it would be a lot darker than the UK military ghost.
The nazis had victims.
@DavidShepheard you are quite right, my Grandparents came from Germany after the war (to England) her older brothers fought in the war and her younger brother was in the Hitler youth. None of them actually followed Hitler as a leader but preferring not to die them followed his rules. Hitler even came to my Nanna's village throwing sweets to child. After Germany lost she moved to the UK.
16:59 The other reason for not representing the American Revolution in the UK series is that any British troops that died in the American Revolution would have died in the USA and become ghosts there. So you would need to have someone survive the war, return to the UK and then die later on.
And those redcoat ghosts do appear in the US version.
The most important reason for the American revolution not featuring in the UK version is that the American revolution doesn't matter. It's not the biggest loss or the most recent loss - it matters to Americans, obviously, but it's a boring and trivial detail for the rest of the world.
@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg Yes, the absence of an English Civil War character should be more remarkable than any other as a result of a violent death.
The UK “revolutionary” equivalent might be a ghost from the English civil war
Also need to realise that most of the Redcoats in America were Hanavarian mercenaries rather than someone from the shires.
I really want to see a Mexican version where the characters include like
1. Pre Columbian Indigenous man
2. Spanish Colonizer
3. Mexican Independence leader
4. Person from Benito era
5. Mexican Revolutionary
6. 1940s/50s inspired
7. Children’s show actor from 80s
8. Someone who died recently
I would love it if they had a Mexican sitcom staple in it of an old woman who makes soup in a huge pot for the whole lot of ghosts, who happily eat it because they adore her, but secretly eat grass, just so they don't have to eat her soup anymore.
Maybe a deceased actress from the telenovela, a disgraced politician also could work, but pretty certain they will avoid ghost of cartel member. Then expand the lore by including the ghost of weeping woman (La Llorona).
a cantinflas parallel would CRUSH in a mexican version
You need a luchadore!
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My fav British episode is when the basement is being excavated and they're all betting which skeleton is who's.
That was so funny 😂
16:22 the captain's name is James, revealed in the very last episode, and it's like a running gag that no one knows his name or it cuts every time they try to tell us.
I'm fairly certain that Crash died by from a common urban legend where someone gets tired of teens on motorcycles so they stretch wire acros the road at head level causing them to be decapitated
@@casualtr4sh I hadn’t come across that urban legend before, that makes sense!
Yes, that could be it, couldn't it. I'm hoping that crashes character gets expanded/explained in series four. He did of course have a story line but didn't even appear too much in that one. The one where Isaac and Alberta become sleuths to work out who dumped his head in a tree in the woods.
@@timsmith5339 Isn't he just a modern headless horseman?
@@wilkoufert8758 exactly that yes, one of them 'iron horses'
14:45 to be fair they do lampshade Thor's sporadic broken English in later seasons. "You say [modern thing] not still call cars 'land ships'?" Is not an uncommon lament. I think Alberta even accuses Thor of messing with them.
yes i love when Thor yells " update IOS"
Yes. From how I see it, it’s very clear that Thorfinn is doing it deliberately. And he’s also made the effort to learn more than one language, as with Robin on Ghosts UK. I should rewatch and see if he speaks differently when he’s alone with Flower 🤔
Thorfinn’s English is hardly “broken”. It’s fully comprehensible so it’s not wrong. He merely speaks a different dialect. His language patterns are actually quite common in Nordic or Slavic speakers that learn English as a second (or in this case likely third) language. Though the ‘landship’ thing is totally on purpose.
Thorfinn is absolutely fucking with everyone.
While Thor is likeable, I see him as significantly less intelligent than Robin… I think with some words, like “land ship,” he’s doing it on purpose, but Robin definitely seems more wise and intelligent than Thor, despite his less-evolved brain. Plus, some people just have more of a knack for learning extra languages to fluency than others. I’m in a German culture club here in America, and we still have “Omas and Opas” living that came over after WWII, in the 40s-50s. Some of them speak perfect English with little to no accent, some do alright but have thick accents, and a few still struggle with vocabulary or using English sentence structure rather than German after living here 50 -60 years.
I think the U.S. one realised the thing about Thorfinn, as a running joke starts in s2 that he may just be playing up his lack of language skills. In the most recent ep, it is also revealed that he, like Robin, learned another foreign language
I'd kind of figured that a lot of it was also more of just terms that he thinks of things in with them along with a more scandanavian vocal pattern with associations there for him.
@AzraelThanatos He learned Sass's language before English, and spoke that the entire time it was just them two. When he did first learn English it was definitely different from modern English. I always thought it that he just kinda gave up with the sentence structure in a way that he is more comfortable. So he can still retain the other languages he knows and learn new ones
Thanks for this comparison! One thing I think the British version gets better is the home. The British Button House looks a lot more run down, more decrepit, a lot scarier than the American Woodstone Mansion. the British pilot episode really conveyed well the sense that this was a crumbling, old building, and as the (living) characters walked through it, it looked both more spooky as well as quite frankly structurally dangerous. And the basement in particular looked terrifying, the stuff of nightmares. In the American show, however, while the living characters keep saying things like this place looks scary, in truth, it actually looks like a quaint older building rather than a neglected haunted mansion. It actually looks like a nice place for a B&B, in fact. The basement in the American version looks like a typical turn-of-the-20th century residential basement, not somewhere you'd expect to find a pre-modern mass grave of some sort. I would be terrified to dig in the British version basement, however. (at least IMHO).
I wouldn’t be surprised if the cast of uk ghosts had contact with English heritage/national trust or one of the various restoration and maintainence groups that work with historical heritage sites/buildings who would know the kinds of things you could expect to see in those kinds of inherited aging buildings
The house dating back to the 1400s is West Horsley Place. It was inherited in a run down state. By Bamber Gascoigne. The original presenter of University Challenge in 2014. He and his wife Christina set up a charity in 2015 to restore the building that work is still ongoing. Ownership of the building was given to the charity. It has also been used in Enola Holmes, Vanity Fair and Howards End.
@@grahamsmith9541 very cool - thanks for the info
I agree. The UK show is filmed in a 400 year old building while the US is filmed on a soundstage and it impacts the tone for me. Of course the US house would be much younger but I don't get the authentically dusty old mansion feeling from it the same way I do with Buttom House. It FEELS like a soundstage.
From what I understand, a Spanish adaptation is being rumored. But frankly, I would _love_ to see a Japanese version! I can honestly see this version having a JPop Idol from the late 2000s/early 2010s being the youngest ghost (both chronologically and biologically) instead of the Julian/Trevor who died during Japan's Lost Decade.
Also, I think that Thomas and Sasaspis are closer parallels than one may think: both storytellers (Thomas being a poet, specifically), and they're both hopeless romantics.
Also I’m pretty sure there’s going to be an Aboriginal ghost who will serve as a parallel to Sasappis in the Australian adaptation ^^
Ghost culture in Asia would be a cool twist to the premise.
Wouldn’t mind seeing a Samurai.
i would love to see a filipino version
@@kaylahensley1581we do need more asian ghosts in these shows
Part of me wonders if the UK version avoided doing a Roman because Monty Python: Life of Brian is still one of the biggest comedies of all time. When you put the words 'comedy' and 'Roman' together it's hard not to think of Biggus Dickus. I remember they did some Roman stuff on Horrible Histories but perhaps they think it's a bit over-done and identified more with other characters.
10:47 I do remember Fanny and Humphrey getting it on 😂 There was an entire episode filled with it, but when he was 'complete', her crush was over rather swiftly.
I'm Australian and I love all your theories for the aussie series! Australians love taking the piss out of politicians so I wouldn't be surprised if we do get a Julian character like a Bob Hawke parody, and Scouts is quite big here so there probably will be a scout leader character too. I would love to see a Picnic at Hanging Rock type Edwardian lady and a Ned Kelly bushranger. I also wouldn't be surprised if there's more than one First Nations character, one from pre-colonisation and one from more recently to represent more perspectives (although the latter might be associated with too much trauma for a sitcom). Maybe they could do something similar to Alberta with an Aboriginal blues singer as an homage to The Sapphires.
Would love to see a gold rush era Asian Australian too
@@shadowmaster1313 yes absolutely!
I can totally seeing there being a Depression-era swagman
Will be interesting to see where they set it. Old homestead in the outback would have a very different cast of characters than a mansion in the city.
@ The synopsis from the Paramount/Network Ten Upfronts makes it seem like the manor will be in the country. “New lovebirds Kate and Sean are about to jump into the hellscape that is the inner-city rental market, until Kate inherits a huge mansion in the country. Moving in together for the first time the young couple are attempting domestic bliss, but unbeknown to them, the house is haunted by a collection of needy spirits who died in Ramshead Manor over the last 200 years….”
Ramshead Manor will probably be a pastoral manor, something like what was shown in A Place to Call Home.
I think Sas could be the Thomas of the US version. Both have troubles with love and are artists. Sas is a storyteller and Thomas is a poet.
@@irvenman that’s a good point - Sas is so much more with it than Thomas I hadn’t really thought of them that way, but that’s true!
Also Trevor flirts a lot with Samantha.
@@sergioandrade8735 I think that’s why I didn’t see the parallels between Sass and Thomas at first, because that storyline was given to Trevor and it’s such a huge part of Thomas’ character and arc. And Sass being a storyteller and unlucky in love was revealed a bit more slowly
To me Sass is a lot like Humphrey. He is the second-oldest of the current ghosts, very sarcastic and observant (though in Humphrey's case this is because he can't move).
I liked how they used Sas’s linguistic and cultural fluency for the joke where he fakes Sam out with the lie that he’s a modern guy who died at a costume party.
I don't know if it has been mentioned before but Max Giermann, who is going to play the roman is also part of the main cast of a german show called Sketch History which is similar to Horrible Histories. So it's nice to know, that also people with apperantly a genuine interest in history work on the adaptations.
there is a puritan in the U.S version called patience that's similar to marry but she's gone mad from being underground for too long
Yes, she is similar - I filmed this before Season 4 started, I'll need to update it!
@@classicaljg Indeed. The Puritan ghost called Patience's lore only started to surface toward the end of S03. So it definitely a recurring act in S04. Oh, you also forget mentioning the ghost of Carol, Pete's widow, and Thorfinn's son, Bjorn.
@ I was trying to keep spoilers for later (S3) episodes to a minimum and S4 hadn’t come out yet when I filmed this
There was a Puritan ghost in the UK version Annie she was only in a couple of scenes. She crossed over sometime before the series
@@emmacobb591 i don't remember that ghost what season was she in?
What I find amusing is that everyone in the US version is like... hotter? The UK version just look like normal people.
Anyway, Italian Ghosts would definitely have a Roman. And either a Renaissance artist OR a Thomas-style Medieval poet who is insanely jealous of Dante's popularity and forever sore Florentine became standard use Italian rather than whatever dialect HE speaks (which should be something obscure and rarely spoken, and he speaks with subtitles the entire first series until it's revealed that GASP he CAN speak Italian!). Then maybe one of Garibaldi's Thousand? A partisan? An early 20th century Anarchist, A Sicilian Arab, maybe? Idk, so many to choose from.
i thought this aswell, none of them feel real & normal 😭
@@m0ssle Americans get scared when they have to see a real-looking person on TV
A note on nativism/ indigenousness in Britain. The “waves and waves” of migration into Britain can be characterised by two major factors, those being : the genetic exchange was between already similar groups and large scale replacement (without dramatic genetic exchange).
The later migrations during the “migration era”, were again between genetically and culturally similar groups - the Romans left little to no genetic trace amongst the Britons.
Looking ahead to the Viking era. The, primarily Danish Vikings, came roughly from the same areas that the Angles and Jutes had originally set off from.
The separation in time between the Celtic migration and post Roman migration into Britain was so great, that those who lived here during that time had reached homogeneity enough to be considered a distinct and native people. With the Germanic tribes mixing later, during the early medieval period, creating a new largely homogeneous people. With the difference between the Brythonic and Germanic peoples being so minuscule, it can be compared to the difference between Apache and Comanche Americans - a once homogeneous group that splintered into two separate cultures.
The last major migration into Britain, which bought a genetic impact, was the Norman invasion. The Normans being a genetically similar group to the British and the genetic impact is mostly negligible for the majority of the population.
So if you can call someone whose ancestry goes back ( at least) to 9th century New Mexico , native - even though, their ancestors mixed with Arizonan Natives. It necessarily follows that you can call the genetically homogeneous British, native. It’s only due to Taboo and a greater understanding of your own history, not necessarily genetic or cultural exchange, that you can’t say we are native to our country. Native American history is a blind spot for many people, often viewing them as one monocultural and homogeneous group devoid of mixing, borders and inter cultural warfare. Instead viewing pre columbian America with as being similar or analogous to European cultural and genetic exchange.
I research population exchange within many different cultures and I find it very offensive that we “give” some groups Native status but not others.
Otherwise great video. Kudos on debunking the “burning witch” trope, which has unfortunately ruined modern discourse around history and religion.
Australia will have a convict.
Of course, with a aussie accent as well.
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944 no
@@Ego_Sum_Nemo Well I hope not since there was not one at the time! That's what I was getting at!
@ and it wouldn’t make sense
@ bring back the uk original I think it’s much better than all the copies
FWIW, Rose McIver, the actress playing Samantha in the “American” version, is from New Zealand.
15:40 imo it's because of the difference in character, since Sassapis would have wanted to learn English whereas Thorfinn is much more stubborn and hesitant, plus it adds to comedy aspect.
I believe that when he was alive, he was a story teller. This would also explain his ability to adapt to and use another language.
I feel like that Flower would be the American counterpart to Kitty since they are both spacey and out of it at times.
They even both chase butterflies. I feel there’s a lot of mix and remix with these characters rather than one-to-one (except with Pat/Pete, at least at first).
Love both the UK & US versions. Thanks for the comparison. Also, love the “Lower Decks” Tom Paris plate on the shelf behind you.
The jury system saved a lot of lives during the witch trials in England. Just going north of the border to Scotland where only a majority was needed to convict, the deaths from executions shoot through the roof.
To be fair James VI of Scotland (later I of England also) tried to control this - he both had a fascination with witchcraft and wanted to find out what was happening in his Kingdom and how to prevent it, but he also recognised that not everyone accused was a witch or had done anything wrong so he overturned at least some of the verdicts after questioning the women personally. I'd recommend the podcast series "A history of witchcraft" by Samuel Hulme as a great resource for finding out how the period went (primarily in the UK though he did have some stuff on the continent). If you're still interested in his podcasts his ongoing ones now are "Pax Britannica" (currently doing a great job of the English Civil Wars) and "Winds of Change" (talking about the end of British Empire, starting off with the Indians).
You mentioning Kylie at the end, reminds me that for a charity special (can't remember if it was CiN or Comic Relief) they had a storyline where Kylie was at the house and it was revealed that she, too, could see ghosts. I wonder if the Australian version finds some way to tie in that weird extra bit of trivia from an obscure mini-episode somehow.
The reason Sassapis speaks better English than Thorfinn is because Sassapis is much smarter than Thorfinn. That is the point that is being made. In fact, Sassapis is clearly the most intelligent character in the American series.
In America, in treatments of Salem witches in tv and movies they are usually shown being burned. Did not know they were hanged.
The American headless ghost Crash probably died riding a motorcycle not a car. Imagine hitting a taut wire at neck level while riding a motorcycle at full speed. If you ride a motorcycle in America (or a mountain bike) you have probably heard about this kind of decapitation. And there is an episode in the American TV series "The Night Stalker" where a motorcycle rider from the 1950's is decapitated while riding. It's definitely a headless corpse trope in America. IRL, It is more common in an off road context.
That's interesting. I'm from the US and I don't think I've ever seen a portrayal of the Salem witch trials in which the condemned weren't hanged. I've seen tv and movies that showed people being burned, but all of those were set in Europe.
Imagine how crazy the Finnish version of Ghosts could be if there ever will be one. Just a little mix of Finnish folklore with the concept of the Ghosts series, we can get very interesting possible plot directions, such as that living people can become "pseudo-ghosts" and separate from their bodies while they are asleep.
I’ve come across the concept of living ghosts before but I didn’t know it was particularly popular in Finland, that’s really interesting :) I would love to see a Finnish version - I don’t know if I’ve ever seen any Finnish films or TV shows but if Finnish comedy is as deadpan and goofy at the same time as their F1 drivers it must be great 😂
9 drunk depressed ghosts in a sauna
I need a version of this show for every country
I would love an East and Southeast Asian version. Like the Hetty/Fanny figure could be a filipino Dona
I would gladly watch this show in every language!
I believe you have mentioned it in the video. But I wish the US version also include the creepy little girl ghost, just for a reason of her rare appearances in made the show feeling a little bit spookier. I love the trope that the other ghosts even creeping out whenever that little girl appeared out of nowhere singing nursery rhyme.
Interestingly, there was a creepy little girl ghost like this on the American Daytime gothic soap opera DARK SHADOWS In the late 1960s (Sarah Collins, the vampire Barnabas Collins' little sister, whose appearances were often heralded by a solo flute playing, "London Bridge is Falling Down").
What would be a funny thing for an episode for Ghosts (US version), would be that Thorfinn messes up one day and speaks perfect English. As in, he always could, but just chose not to, doesn't bother speaking English perfectly because he doesn't feel like it. Maybe the first English speakers he met were Danish Americans?
Better still if he comes out with perfect RP English.
Makes sense. Plus, he's able to speak Lenape just fine. The Lenape are in no way related to the Danish lol
It's pretty obvious that Thorfinn speaks broken English on purpose just to mess with the others.
Yeah but his son that lives in the other house speaks just like him
@@GlennGTO Fair point. I guess that solves that. So, we're all still wondering then why he choses to speak broken English when he's had centuries to get it right.
As an Australian I could see our version of Jemima being a waltzing Matilda style person as in that song they are singing and then drown themselves to escape the police. And it’s mentioned in the song that if you go past the lake you can still hear them singing waltzing Matilda
Can't you hear "Waltzing Matilda" constantly in Australia? I was told it was played by every drop bear by an Aussie I met in London. And the kookaburras apparently all play "Down under" constantly too.
Love how much of your shelf space is taken up by Terry Prachett! My cat, Greebo, and I approve!
Absolutely love TP!
Anyone who has that many Terry Pratchett books is a good egg.
GNU Terry Pratchett.
GNU STP
As an Irish person, I really want an Irish version of Ghosts!
using the not too traumatic death would mean nothing from the great famine, or possibly from the civil war in early 20s, if set in Kilmainham Gaol sold off to private property dealer who falls down the stairs.
@@garywoolton1875 Or even if the caretaker for it fell down the stairs. They'd have to build a whole set to mock the place up though.
This is so great! What better way is there for sooo many people to include to their everyday mind the fact that history always happened everywhere, in a really fun way, than having this show for as many places and cultures as possible!
Thank you for looking over it from your historian perpective as an addition to your enthusiasm
hey, huge fan of ghosts here - glad i came across this video :)
coincidentally i just saw the cast photos/descriptions of the german and french casts and i'm quite excited! the german one in particular seemed a little lacking in deviation from the original british version, which was a little disappointing, but i'm hoping that will change as they develop the characters' personalities a little. the french version seems much more intriguing to me - they chose to tackle the vichy era with the collaborator ghost, which i can appreciate, and i think it'd be really cool if the soldier ghost is from the same time period. of course the 'lady of the manor' ghost might have been killed in the revolution, which would make a really interesting plot point.
super excited as well to see which direction the aussie version takes :) having heard some political stories from aussie friends i think they could totally do an analog to julian (lol) and i think your ideas for the outlaw and the soap star would be amazing to watch! i imagine they could also tap into australia's past as a penal colony and have an escaped prisoner, and maybe they could also put a twist on the 'lady of the manor' ghost and instead have a young british aristocrat who left home in search of adventure. in any case, can't wait! :)
@@fluorescentpink573 I’m really surprised that the French one includes a collaborator but it will definitely be interesting!
As someone who is not Australian at all, when I think of 'stereotypical' australian things, ghosts would include something like:
- Surfer dude ghost
- Ghost who died from some sort animal attack like a crocodile or from a deadly spider bite
- british or irish ghost from penal colony (only possible if it's at specific locations I guess)
- first nation ghost
- just some ghost from any era who accidentally ate the wrong bush tucker lol
Plot twist, everybody died from being bitten by the same species of spider. 😁
The equivalent of Fanny/ Hetty would be a squatter.
More countries should do Ghosts, its a fun way of learning about history and its effect on culture
in terms of the australian one, it would be great if there was more representation! esp. asian characters, if its set somewhere in victoria i could imagine a chinese miner ghost from the 1850s because i know there was a lot of chinese immigrants coming over to the goldfields. but regardless i think asian immigration is such a big thing in australian history, so it would be great to have more characters like that, and not only have white british people! continuing with the gold rush, there could be all types of characters from then- the huge numbers of immigrants to the gold fields from all over the world, someone from the eureka stockade maybe (or a similar fictionalised event), rich buisness types from the latter half of the 19th century, maybe from afterwards when the money was running out, an edward cole type character of an eccentric rich melburnian.... so many possibilities! also i could imagine some ww1/ww2 ghosts, but since there were so little deaths in australia that would be kind of hard- maybe a ww1 nurse in training who died? of course there would have to be some convict ghosts, its pretty much a given, though it depends exactly where its set. there could also be a burke and wills type of character, an explorer of the frontier who died from something out in the bush. i would imagine in regional victoria you would be able to conceivably have the gold rush, convicts, a bushranger, a boarding school, and all those sorts of settings and characters. although it could really be anywhere in australia, i just know most about melbourne! no matter where it goes, i think australian history is so interesting but sadly often ignored so this show would be a great way to explore how interesting it is!
Salem resident here (tour guide, too)! Oh, so many tourists think that accused witched were burned in the US. Nope! Hanging in the states. Burning more of a European thing. Here in Salem, 19 people were hung, and one was crushed to death. The US series takes place in Hudson Valley, north of NYC, although it is filmed in the Province of Quebec (Montreal area). New York State is not part of New England. BTW, my favorite ghost is Isaac, and I love the fact that his boyfriend is the British soldier that he shot during the war.
@@adelem432 Nigel’s accent is no better than Scotty’s in Star Trek.
Piggybacking off of you: while New York did have witch trials, none, to my knowledge, were legally executed for witchcraft. Almost all were acquitted (some even came from Connecticut and moved to New York to live normal lives afterwards), and then there was one who, sadly, was killed by a mob while in her home.
But who knows? Any records of witch trials in my home state were lost in a fire in 1911.
Hanging was the main form of execution for witches in England and Scotland too, mainly because it was a crime in law and was tried in a court (where execution was by hanging except for Treason). Burning was more of a thing we did to people of the "opposite" form of Christianity (I.E. Bloody Mary burned lots of protestants, Elizabeth I burned a few Catholics).
I wonder whether having Flower be a hippy was influenced by Woodstock being in the Hudson Valley.
People are hanged, not hung.
An in depth breakdown of sitcoms + discussion of world history + a lower decks Tom Paris collectors plate in the background? This is the type of niche content I come to the internet for! I watch the US version of Ghost and have seen some of the UK version, and I thought of the shows as building upon pop culture knowledge and tropes relating to memorable period in each countries history, but I like how you bring up ghost folklore from each country too! Both the 50's Greaser ghost and 80's prom ghost do come from American urban legend archetypes, which is such a valid source of inspiration for the shows!
I love the idea of a roman in the german version. Wish we had a roman in the british version. But again the german version has to have a roman because they probably dont want to show any form of german militarism.
I do hope the new versions can emancipate themselves from the UK and US mold! Ghosts is such a vibrant world and interesting concept for a show! So the producers of all adaptations should lean into their regional differences and specialities. I was honestly quite disappointed that the German version would so closely match the British one. But I'm nontheless excited for it, especially the Roman ghost.
Thank you for the video!^^
Right? The core concept: "Modern person gains the ability to interact with ghosts in some funny sitcom way" should be WIDE open to interpretation. The writers/cast of the original show came up with their concept. The American folks took that concept almost beat for beat, with some relatively minor changes. Other adaptations could easily do their own thing with it, if they chose to. Though I wonder if there are any legal / copyright ramifications to making extreme changes and still claiming relation to the original? I never know how all of that behind the scenes stuff works...
There could be several American versions. A California or Texas or Michigan version could have a wildly different cast of ghosts than the upstate New York location of the CBS ghosts series
There is Monte Cristo in Junee here in Australia that is supposed to be "the most Haunted" homestead in AU. It's late Victorian and was built/commissioned by one the town's founders Christopher Crawley (So even the name is kinda spooky) A true rags to riches type story. The woman who is reportedly to haunt the place was his wife who apparently locked herself away after his death. There are reportedly 10 other ghosts haunting the place, ranging from a plethora of deaths. So I'm thinking this would be on the short lists of places to film, especially given the current owner's hardships.
Love that they may get financial support from the show production. Always want beautiful architecture and craftsmanship saved.
Flower is more of a Kitty than a Mary. I would say Alberta is more of a Mary because they were both plotted against. I think they are setting up Sasappis to be a lovelorn Thomas.
15:47 maybe bc Thorfinn was struck by lightning, that somehow caused head trauma in the afterlife. Idk.
Also sass is a story teller so him learning language properly would br a hogher priority to him while not as much for thorfinn. Also revealed in season 4 that thorfinn knew how to speak lenape to speak with sass so enlgish is his third language and probably couodnt be bothered at that point.
I enjoyed all your information, observations, and speculations. As a big fan of the American series who would also like to see more of the British series and find out how the German and Australian versions turn out, I really hope that you do the update you mentioned once more information on the latter two is available.
In particular, it might be helpful to include clips (with English captions for the German show naturally) so you don’t need to spend quite so much time describing how the various characters are played.
As for Thorfin speaking broken English while Sass sounds like a mainstream modern American accent, I guess they wanted the same humor of a prehistoric character struggling with a language barrier that Robin generated, but didn’t want to overdo the “dumb primitive can’t talk right” trope by inflicting it upon the Native American as well.
Whilst Thor doesn’t have the same “different brain” excuse as Robin, I think his odd speech patterns could be thematically explained.
Unlike Sass, Thor represents (to the American mind at least) a warlike, prejudiced mentality. His obsession with Danes demonstrates that he has not made much effort to move past the violent and competitive mores of his time and culture (again, as modern Americans would perceive it.)
So it might seem reasonable to the show runners that such a boorish, aggressive person would make less effort to fully master English. If he gets his main points across (and he does), the details of grammar are not a major concern for him. Indeed, he may well take some pride in retaining his worldview, as when he continues calling cars “land ships”, simply because he doesn’t much like taking other perspectives.
In short, he is the epitome of what modern Americans loathe in ourselves. Or our neighbors, to the extent that we can project those qualities on others. It’s no surprise that the person chosen to represent these characteristics is the one least likely to be considered an actual American.
Sass, on the other hand, is from one of the people groups that suffered most from the formation and expansion of colonies and the eventual European-style nations. You are probably right that they purposely avoided making his death a product of colonial or post-colonial oppression of indigenous peoples.
But given our collective sense of guilt for how his people were treated, even if it was after his time, an American audience clearly likes his portrayal as arguably the smartest, funniest, most adaptable individual of the Ghost ensemble. I get the strong impression that he is a fan favorite.
So naturally, he needs to speak as much like us as possible. 😉
@@andreanewell628 good point! :)
Also Sass was a story teller, meaning he would be more open to learning a new language so he could tell more stories
Sass himself explained why he sounds current. He told Thorflin that he pays attention
It's implied that Thorfinn is just messing with everyone (Thor still calling cars 'landships' while it's shown that he can understand more modern things, "you can understand [modern thing] but still call cars landships"). Sas is also an observer. Watching everyone around him, it makes sense that he would pick things up after observing the things and people around him for 500 years.
Nice Pratchett collection behind you.
The UK show is one of my biggest personal Mandela Effects. I have such a distinct memory watching it in the house I lived in my 2nd and 3rd year of university. My roommates had some sort of tv box and there were a bunch of shows on it and I remember watching it in the living room of that house so distinctly. The only problem is, that show started in 2019 and I moved out of that house in 2017!! I remember them announcing the finale and I’m like, wow that show got a pretty good run only to google and realize it had only been on 4 years not 7 or 8 like I thought. I’m still flabbergasted to this day. I don’t even know if I saw an actual episode until 2022 or 2023 but I can so distinctly remember seeing it in that house.
@@lisahoshowsky4251 It’s so weird when that happens! The Mandela effect is so strange…
A 30-minute show should not have more than three minutes of commercials. It's ridiculous how shows on commercial television shrink and shrink.
The US show is in the Hudson Valley, New York part of the Mid-Atlantic Region not New England. The ghosts Crash and Stephanie were killed by a chainsaw-wielding killer which is why his head was cut off. "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" with its headless horseman is set in the Hudson Valley so maybe a future show will explore this.
@@markgrindol859 I did wonder why they hadn’t done more with the Sleepy Hollow legend, but the US show had a lot more episodes so they might explore it a bit this season. They’ve gone an interesting route with the witch trials - looks like we’ll be seeing someone who accused other people of witchcraft rather than a victim
@@classicaljg That identification is incorrect. Stephanie was killed in 1987; her boyfriend's name was Tad, he wore a light suit with a flower in his lapel. Crash, given his clothing, way of speaking, and musical preferences, appears to be from the 1950s. Same as with Sassapis, there is not an explanation yet about how he died.
@@classicaljg I actually live in the area where the show is set (and close to the real Sleepy Hollow)! I'm also surprised they didn't lean into the headless ghost. Then again, that would've been half of the main cast of ghosts dying in the 20th century.
Crash had a car accident which decapitated him, he’s a 50s greaser. Stephanie was the one killed by the chainsaw wielding killer on Prom night
@@rach_laze From memory I think her boyfriend was killed too but didn't become a ghost for whatever reason.
This is really cool, thank you for this video. I am a huge fan of Ghosts and Horrible Histories so it’s exciting to see further adaptations of this beloved show. I’m especially looking forward to the Australian one and hope they are respectful with its history ofc.
I love both versions, and I'm excited for the new series!
It’d be neat if they had a crossover. Like if one of the other couples went on vacation to the US bed and breakfast.
What a fantastic video. So glad to have found your channel. This is right up my street ❤
One of the strengths of the concept is that it can be used in different countries and even different regions of the same country.
As another Pratchett fan, I'd like to think that he would enjoy this show.
There was a fantastic Australian series called Spirits that features a single ghost who was a British rocker (70s era I think). I love it (I'm American) so I'm looking forward to the Australian version of ghosts
@@rc31802 Yes! It was called 'Spirited'. I loved that series. It felt like it took inspiration from 'The Ghost and Mrs Muir'. I was so mad when it got cancelled but it's still worth watching. Fans of 'Ghosts' will definitely like it.
I'd say Kitty & Flower are counterparts - happy and a bit ditzy, but deeper than they usually come off.
Mary's counterpart is the Puritan, Prudence.
yes, I need to update the video, I filmed it before Season 4 started
You're right about her being Mary's counterpart but her name is Patience, not Prudence.
I could yap about the captains repressed homosexuality forever, even down to the convenient positioning of a “keep it under your hat” propaganda poster. Even down to his sort of coming out in S5 EP5 was literally so beautiful and demonstrated how the ghosts can break out of beliefs from their time and develop different attitudes to certain topics (Fanny’s change from calling the lesbian wedding “scandalous” and a “spectacle” to being the one to call the captain brave.) I love their dynamics, I love the captain, I love the show
~We know so far from the Paramount/10 press release that the Australian version will have a humans called Kate and Sean and will be set in the country at Ramshead Manor and will feature 6 ghosts.
I would like to see in the Australian version the "basement ghosts" be a bunch of prisoners. Cause Australia used to be a place where prisoners were sent to in the 1788 to 1868. That would work perfectly for that group of people. Yes, that was horrible, but it works so well for the show.
25:10 she does make another appearance, during the burglary episode! 🎶burglary in progress🎶
I love the UK version, and I actually took years before seeing the CBS version because I was certain it was going to be another example of the yanks taking a concept from another country and ruining it in adaptation. But I really like how they've done it, at this point the CBS version really is its own thing.
When it comes to Thorfinn and his English, my theory is that he's just fking with them. They've dropped hints in the past, but its becoming so much of a thing that the others are calling him out on it. It does make sense though, the man has learned at least three languages, with both English and Lenape having been through immersion alone. There's also the structural differences between them all. But I still reckon he's doing it to screw with everyone.
Kylie did appear in the UK version. A rare character that could also see ghosts.
Kylie Minogue was in a Red Nose Day webisode, not in the tv series itself
I belive that Robin speaks broken English by choice and that him speaking French perfectly is just showing how he could speak English "normaly" if he wanted to, like I see it more as a dialect that he's purposely chosen to keep
On the point about the two Captains. The US version could have had a WW2 ghost as the British ghost was killed by a heart attack not military action, so a US WW2 Captain could have suffered the same fate.
For the Australian version of Ghosts, you have the British who invaded Australia, but you also have the British who were transported to Australia against their will. So if they wanted to replicate the thing from US Ghosts, where there are two ghosts who were rivals, they might consider going down that route.
Australian Ghosts might also want to have a ghost that was killed by a kangaroo, a crocodile, a spider or some other dangerous creature. They might even want to go down the Drop Bear route and have a newly arrived Brit see a koala and then get so scared that they run away and fall off of a cliff or something.
Australian soldier who somehow died in the Emu War seems like a fun way to cover the animal related death and have a soldier. So he would be a WWI vet, but still a reason to be back in Australia and also a really silly death.
I love the US and UK versions. How wonderful to find this video. Thank you.
Australian here, I think there's potential for someone of 18thC French descent if it's set in Sydney, and maybe a 19thC Chinese ghost, or an American from the gold rush era, or anyone from before the White Australia policy. There's lots of scope for different types of characters. I fully expect a 'Dad & Dave' type character too.
Loved this! Thanks so much for your work!
If they had Sass speak like Thordan, there would have been some serious outcry from the Native American community. Also, Julian and Fanny lampshaded ( in season 5 (about "getting together" (like Hetty and Trevor)" as it were, but then hastily mix that idea. I thought that was a nice nod to US version.
As an Australian who grew up on Ghosts, I've always had a couple ideal Australian ghosts in mind.
I'd have it set in a beachside-mansion or manor in NSW.
1. An Indigenous Australian Elder
From pre-colonisation era
50-60 yrs old
Wise, kind, a bit sarcastic
Maybe died of natural causes
2. A Portuguese or Dutch explorer
From pre-colonisation
30-40yrs olds
Scaredy cat
Got lost and died of a snake bite
3. Convict
Young adult
bitter on the outside but really kind at heart
Brought over for stealing a loaf of bread and died of malnutrition once in Australia
4. Chinese Immigrant from the Gold Rush
Young adult male with a loving family
was looking to start a new life but worked too hard
died of Heatstroke
5. Since CBS Ghosts recently confirmed animal ghosts as a thing. I would love to have a Simpson and his donkey inspired character from around 1915.
6. A private school girl
early - mid 20th century
18/19yrs old
she is essentially the lady of the house type character due to her upbringing
Prim, polite and proper
Died in maybe a similar way to Hetty (might be too dark)
7. Surf Lifesaver Female
late 20th century
is the AUS version of Pat/Pete as surf lifesaving is a very Australian equivalent of scouts
Feminist, Cheery
Drowned whilst performing a rescue with no equipment
8. Real estate agent
AUS version of Trevor and Julian
Cocky, Smart, bit of a liar etc
Died whilst trying cut costs on renovating the house (somehow pantless?)
This is the main cast I've thought of but some other fun character that I havn't fully developed include, a crocodile hunter, an eshay, a war nurse, a Steve Irwin type character, Colonial and A shearer. BUT i really love your idea of a Ned Kelly character and an actor/singer.
sorry if my history isn't quite correct, I've had some of these ideas for forever
ps love the video btw
This is brilliant and I would watch the heck out of it! :D It's great to hear from someone Australian as my life experience is so completely European/American (my husband is American - my great-great grandparents met and got married in Australia but they were there with the British Army so that would be a complicated and depressing part of history to cover!). I would definitely have someone from a private girls' school whose death was similar to Hetty, though that might be my obsession with Picnic at Hanging Rock talking! And I'm a Brit who grew up on Neighbours (and to a lesser extent Home and Away) so somewhere near the beach would totally be essential.
@@classicaljg When I was researching to create these characters i found it way to hard not go totally depressing, however Australian gothic literature is something heavily taught at our schools, which led to my obsession too. Which leads me to hope the might consider putting something along those lines in the AUs version as it is taught in schools anyway. I too feel like the beach is essential, because Australia is so well known for its terrain and biodiversity, and imagine all the cool characters and storylines a beachside home could entail. Can't wait to see any future videos you put out about it when it airs.
@ Thank you! :)
@ That’s so true about the beach - and now I need to go read some Australian gothic fiction, as I’m not familiar with it outside of Picnic at Hanging Rock! (My knowledge of Australian culture comes mostly from Bluey these days 😆)
Really enjoyed this!
Love this . Thanks for posting.
Some ideas I had for Australian ghosts:
- an indigenous person from 12,000 years ago or more when megafauna still roamed the continent
- a convict (1788-1860s period), perhaps died of scurvy?
- gold miner from the gold rush (1850s-1880s period)
- a bushranger is definitely a given, they’d be a really fun character!
- you could absolutely have a poet, inspired by Banjo Patterson or Dorothea Mackellar from the late 1800s.
- perhaps an Edwardian actress or singer? The Australian film industry was pretty big in the very early days (also federation and white women’s right to vote around this time)
- scouting has been in Australia for a very long time and it’s pretty big here, I think that would be a fun character to have!
- Australians love to poke fun at our politicians, so I could see the Julian character staying as a politician and I think most people would really enjoy that, a politician dying with his pants down is EXACTLY the sort of joke that goes down well here
You could easily make it pretty diverse with the cast - there were bushrangers from all different backgrounds and genders (and you could incorporate the captain’s death with Captain Moonlite’s relationship and death, there are lots of parallels), and a lot of people came from China for the gold rush and had large communities, and almost all of the other characters could easily be diverse too.
I would like the possibilities with other countries, even though there aren't remakes (for now) in that country.
Edit: I just realized the reference to "stupid deaths" in the cbs version
Great video! Very interesting and informative :)
Thank you!
The north America version is actually a Canadian production filmed in Montreal.
@@lyndawashbrook8018 Regardless, the story still takes place in the USA and the actress from Down Under uses an American accent.
Lot’s of US tv is produced in Canada because it’s less expensive.
This is the first video of yours that I've seen, I really enjoyed it! And I particularly appreciate the bookcase to your right.
@@Seal0626 Thank you so much! :)
In s3 of GhostsUS Pete asks Thorfinn if he’s messing with them, so he probably is a bit.
I mean, calling cars “land ships” is a definite choice,😂
I feel like an interesting aspect of Mary's witch burning is that it wasn't her original death- they planned on having a drowned witch but couldn't figure out how that could possibly work on film, so went with burning instead, reagrdless of historical accuracy.
I just thought of some casts for if they Ghosts, in asian countries:
Ghosts Russia:
A Political Leader
A Writer
A Musician
An Artist
An Inventor
A WW2 Soldier
A 16th Century Warrior
A Polar Bear
Ghosts India:
A Social Reformer
A Spiritual Leader
A Technian
A Freedom Fighter
A Dancer
A Philosopher
A Sikh Warrior
An Elephant
Ghosts China:
A Wealthy Lord
A Martial Artist
A Calligrapher
A Farmer
A Scientist
A Reglious Leader
An Ancient Chinese Warrior
A Tiger
@@ghostviper8906 I love these! :)
I have to agree with the criticism about Thorfin not properly speaking English, especially after learning he picked up Lenape quite easily.
Thorfinn cared about Sas enough to put in the work to learn Lenape even before Sas died.
@ How would Thorfin know that Sas would die and be ghost? I believe Thorfin picked up the language by living amongst the tribe for a long time.
I never knew about the German and Aussie versions!
For the Australian version I’d love to see a First Nations Elder from the period of first migration to Australia - around 60+ thousand years ago/Dreamtime. This way you could have a character that parallels Robin, and it may be more respectful of First Nations custom to not name or show a person who has passed. I could be wrong though.
As far as other characters go, it depends where the possible show is set as it would need to be in Victoria or New South Wales to have a convict or British sailor from the First Fleet.
Ideally I’d like to see Australia’s multicultural history represented. We’ve had immigrants as far back as the 19th century from non UK countries. Especially an influx from post World War II Europe onwards.
I think an athlete and a bogan would also be hilarious, especially as it can represent Australia’s varied social classes and love of sport.
Honestly I think there are so many options depending on where they set the show. Boarding schools in the country, or on a farmstead would be possible.
I don’t know enough about Australian First Nations customs other than not naming or showing a deceased person. How would a character from the first migration period avoid that? Is that considered different, culturally?
@SPQRKlio acting is different. As in if there was an actor that was Aboriginal that passed away in real life...a warning would be put up at the beginning of the show that the show contained images of a deceased Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander person .
@SPQRKlio that's generally for depicting real people that have passed on like in documentaries etc not actors . As long as they don't use specific historical Aboriginal figures it should be okay.
Jemima did also appear in S2 briefly to help out with stopping the robbery
I would say Flower is Kitty's counterpart. They're voth innocently airheaded albeit for different reasons, but they both see and appreciate the good qualities in people.
I would also say that Sas js the equivalent of Thomas, being a storyteller.
Also, in one of the episodes, the other ghosts did address how ridiculous it is that Thor speaks broken English. I think it was the second episode. I can't remember exactly what was said, but it was when he called the car a landship.
The RUclips algorithm said I would be interested in watching this, and I was astounded that there is a German version coming out. That being said, and being Australian, I posted this on another comments board (* new comment):
There will be a First Nations ghost. (* whether he or she is just before the First Fleet or not it to be determined)
There will be a First Fleet ghost- whether it’s a convict or an officer, we shall see. (* just thought if there were a convict and an officer they could be attracted to each other)
Will there be a present day politician sans pants? I’m trying to think of some scandal that would qualify. (* now I think of it, this ghost could be another tip of the hat to the idea of excess and materialism/capitalism- a real estate mogul, of the 1980's and 1990's.)
There is sure to be a Victorian/Edwardian era matriarch. (* there was a TV mini series about rival crime lord matriarchs during the 1920's- as a twist perhaps thus ghost could be a crime queen, but rules the roost like a period matriarch)
There might be a World War Digger, but wouldn’t be funny if there was a Japanese POW ghost there. (* An American GI ghost would work- during WWII a lot of American soldiers were stationed in Australia)
Would there a sixties hippy ghost, ala the US house?
Could there be a New Australian ghost, from the 1950’s migration boom?
My family (American) have watched the British "Ghosts," and the American "Ghosts" - we always look forward to when a new episode airs. I don't have a favorite; I love them both. They each have different characters, as well as similar characters who are different by being in different circumstances, played by different actors, written by different writers, surrounded by different characters, etc. They're both clever, witty, funny, poignant at times, and very entertaining. I was not completely satisfied with the ending of the British show. I get what they did, but it felt.. I dunno, it felt unsatisfying to me. I still like the show, though. I'm curious how the US version will choose to end. We tend to like to milk things for as long as we can- too long, sometimes. I hope this show doesn't "jump the shark," as we say, but goes out on a high note, in some way or another.
The last show we saw featured a snail, and for whatever reason, that cracked me the heck up!! If you've seen the snail episode, or if you haven't yet, I hope you are as tickled as I was. Just silly.
It is safe to assume the German version will be in German. I took German in high school, but that was 25+ years ago, and I haven't practiced, but if I can watch it with subtitles, I probably will try to check it out!
The Aussie version will no doubt be in English (or what passes for English in Australia - kidding!!), so I'll be very eager to see that show, when I can.
@@TSIRKLAND I didn’t like the ending of the British one much either - it would have been better to end on the last regular episode instead of the Christmas special, I found that one more satisfying.
The newest ghost between the us and uk versions is carol in the us version died choking on a donut hole. She died in season 3. She is only a recurring character and not a regular
She was referring to the main 8 of the US version (Sass, Thor, Isaac, Hetty, Alberta, Flower, Pete, and Trevor) when she said Trevor is the youngest.
Australia needs a Jolly Swagman.
I enjoyed the British version, the US version has gotten, to my eye, quite mean spirited. I also think it's weird that the ghost have been given powers that would have made the existence of ghosts very obvious in the real world. Hope to see the new versions do well, though Australia seems to be odd, jumping right from Aborigines to the Botany Bay. One placed in China could be interesting, layers of history there. An area Rome ruled over would be interesting too.
While I don't think I find the US version to be mean-spirited, exactly, I'm struggling with the apparent inconsistencies in some character traits across the seasons. Maybe they got new writers, or maybe writing so many episodes per season is becoming difficult. Or maybe the studio is meddling, ha.
@@linphillips8331 I'd say it's most likely down to the writing staff. In the UK for most shows you either have one person writing the 7-10 episodes per season, or a small team who stay permanently on the project until it's done.
In the US, because they have to have 26-30 episodes per series or it doesn't get picked up you have to have a writing staff which by it's very nature is a. large and 2) probably rotates around a lot. This means you need a switched on showrunner or lead writer who maintains a thorough "show bible" which makes sense of each character, their traits, what they can and can't do, and what they've said in the past, so that continuity is maintained and people new to the show can refer to it and previous scripts quickly to work out if their story idea fits in (or even which character to give it to sometimes).
I'd also agree that their studios meddle a lot more - this can be down to both the studio having an idea for what they want to see, and sometimes thanks to advertisers objecting to certain plot points or storylines which then have to be amended or removed so that the advertisers don't pull their material from that show or even go elsewhere in the worst cases.
At least in the UK even on channels backed by advertising they seem to interfere a lot less in the making of programs, which probably says something about how worried they are in the US about people having a negative reaction to something and associating it with adverts, even if that happens or doesn't happen (I don't think people are as dumb as some of the advertisers worry they are).
Hey, just heads up "Aborigines " isn't considered a great word to use now days in reference to the Aboriginal people of Australia.
@@schlocketmonster3096 Last I checked that was the polite word, what is it now?
@@schlocketmonster3096 I specifically checked into it before replying and said "Aborigional people" rather than "Aborigines".
thank you for this video! Looking forward to update!!!
Never watching TV nor films I have no idea what you are talking about. But what a wonderful mechanism for studying comparative spiritual beliefs/folklore.
I am sure that the US and British Civil Wars are important in understanding our differences.
So many of the older ghost stories in the US come from the Civil War, which of course popularised Spiritualism in the US. Given its lack of WASP history, Gothic in America is associated with Victorian and thus is a genre of terror.
Whereas the destruction of original Gothic Churches, Cathedrals and Castles by Cromwell's troops created the Gothic edifices' which inspired the likes of Walpole, Radcliffe and Lewis. Indeed, without the reaction to puritanism I doubt if such novels would ever have been written, nor Strawberry Hill built. But I would contend that it is the merging of Romanticism with Gothic which was so important to the Gothic Revival. Thus in Britain it was not so much terror as horror, a horror influenced by Carlyle and Ruskin's reaction to industrialisation.
What of Germany? Interesting that you picked up on the importance of Romanticism. I might that poltergeist is a German concept and folklore appears to be more important. Of course, it is positive that they mention the witch trials, I do hope it isn't too influenced by Margaret Morris?
Australia? Who knows, but Melbourne is rather like Manchester, a most Gothic of cities.
@@TheMagicofJava it’s interesting that the US version doesn’t have a civil war ghost - they went for the war of independence instead, maybe because of the musical Hamilton’s influence?! I’m hoping they do a phantom hitchhiker at some point, which is common to both the US and the UK and the UK version did feature briefly :) I don’t know much about Australian ghost folklore so I’m really interested to see what they do with it! :)
@@classicaljg Plenty of hitchhiker stories in Australia and for some reason the A41 in Shropshire, although I cannot think of a connection, apart from for Shropshire the area being flat and one can see for miles.
@@TheMagicofJava I wonder if the Australian version will find a way to incorporate a vanishing hitchhiker - it would be quite fun to have a ghost that keeps leaving the house and then coming back again! I grew up near Bluebell Hill so I have a fascination with vanishing hitchhikers :)
@@classicaljgit’s likely they didn’t go the civil war route because the civil war was fought in the southern US, where the revolutionary war was fought in the north
Honestly they could've had a more proper Sir Humprhy and Thomas stand in for the US version. A Headlass Horseman type character would've fit neatly into new england as well as a Edgar Allen Poe type character for the moody writer archetype
The very famous American short story (which has many adaptations), “The Legend of Sleepy Hollow,” features the Headless Horseman. I could actually see combining the Captain and Humphrey somewhat for that.
It’s always interesting seeing what parallels people find between ghosts on the two shows, since the U.S. version sometimes combines traits from different characters. Sometimes Kitty and Flower are compared, for instance.
I do think it’s interesting the characters they skipped - Thomas’s least appealing (for a lot of viewers) trait is his continued bothering of Alison. He’s eliminated, but that bit is given to Trevor, albeit (I think) temporarily.
There are certainly American poets. They could have used Phillis Wheatley, for instance, a black female poet during the Revolution, for inspiration,
On the other side, Matoaka/Pocahontas/Rebecca Rolfe died in England, but I digress.
I enjoy both shows.
I know this is a great video, and the subject comparisons are quite well thought out, but i keep getting distracted by your impressive collection of Terry Pratchett hardback books on the shelf. The lighting glare makes it so hart to view, lol
I like seeing all the Robin Hobb books... and maybe Katharine Kerr books?
Came to the comments because I was thinking the exact same thing.. the really odd part is that it looks like she switched from paperbacks to hardbacks at about the same time I did lol
This has got me thinking of a Canadian version that could be set in Toronto, Montreal or Halifax, and the ghosts could be:
- “Lady of the House” from the 1870s (Mary Walsh from This Hour Has 22 Minutes)
- A fur trader’s daughter who died in the Seven Years War (Karine Vanasse from The Traitors Canada)
- An escaped slave who escaped to Canada (Rainbow Sun Francks from Stargate Atlantis)
- Mohawk, Algonquin or Beothuk matriarch (Kiiawentiio from Netflix’s Avatar: The Last Airbender)
- A Chinese laundromat owner from the 1930s (Andrew Phung aka Kimchi from Kim’s Convenience)
- The Lady’s favourite Irish servant (Jonny Harris from Murdoch Mysteries)
- A WWII era Canadian Army captain (Daniel Maslany from Murdoch Mysteries OR Daniel Levy from Schitts Creek)
- The Scout Leader (Gerry Dee from Family Feud Canada OR Brent Butt from Corner Gas)
- A hard partying lawyer or Bay Street type (Shawn Ashmore from The Rookie)
- A local MP with a penchant for dressing up (Priyanka from Canada’s Drag Race in AND out of drag)
The ghosts of children could be from a nearby first nations residential school (the plague ghosts), and another group of ghosts could be of cultists who used to use the house as a HQ before drinking the kool-aid (the voice cast of Total Drama could star here), and perhaps if this series was on CBC, Yannick Bisson and Helene Joy could play the ghosts of Detective William Murdoch and Dr Julia Ogden, and the living couple of the show “frees” them from protecting the house.
@@chefjohnleung I would watch that show! Hard to do clothing changes for the ghosts though, unless they made it more like the Sixth Sense (ghost can wear any of the layers from one complete outfit) rather than the original Ghosts (Thomas can’t get rid of a letter in his pocket)
@@classicaljgit would be! I can also imagine the Laundromat Owner (let’s call him Ah Wai) could be the Captain (let’s call him Corporal Ross)’s secret lover.
The possibilities are endless. And Mary Walsh would be perfect in the Lady Fanny role…i can’t see any Canadian actresses taking that role.
I would love to see a ghost from Spirited show up in the Australian version of Ghosts as a little wink to that fan base.