Volgin is probably the cruelest, most sadistic individual in all of the franchise. But, the things he does ultimately have surprisingly little impact on the rest of the world, and don't really ripple out into the rest of the series like the actions of the other characters on this list. He just makes everyone around him miserable. He also doesn't seem to have a god complex like BB, Skull Face, or Zero. He's just kind of a paranoid asshole who wants power and money. Definitely deserves an honorable mention, but doesn't belong in the top 3
Granted, you could argue that his plans caused the Boss to die, setting up all of the entire events to come. Because it was his random decision to launch the nuke which changed the infiltration plan [which was to infiltrate Volgin anyways] into "scapegoat and kill the Boss" plan.
Big Boss was once presented as evil, there is no doubt about that. But Kojima clearly retconned him into a more morally gray character. Once you consider that he was in a shadow battle with the true villains of the story (The Patriots), a lot of his actions make sense. Also, I've research MGS multiple times but I can't find one source about BB killing parents and stealing their children. Solidus did that no doubt, but I don't recall BB ever doing that even once or any character claiming that he did either.
...Did... Did you watch my video...? I literally quote BB saying that's what he does. Also where does Kojima say he retconned BB to be less evil? He was def working up to BB being his full evil self in Peace Walker and then in MGSV TPP. Is there an article where Kojima says he retconned BB's character to be less evil? MGS3 was meant to humanize BB for sure, but don't get brainwashed into thinking he's a better person than he actually was lol
@@tkandm Those children can't be from wars BB created. The world was headed towards peace at that time, and no one in MGS Saga ever states that Big Boss started wars to begin with. Yes he himself states that he WILL start a war at some point, but MGS4 already retconned that into him starting a war to fight The Patriots.
@@hunsonabadeer7679counter point, the rise of PMCs and the war economy was already happening by the time of MGS V. Kaz and Ocelot talk about copy cat mercenaries rising, and the emergence of a new war economy. And in MGS 4, the war economy is so prevalent (with PMCs and military culture appearing in the opening commercials and TV shows) that it is hard to believe it got that big only 16-ish years after the "world coming to peace" in MG 2: Solid Snake.
BB terrifies me because it reminds me of how no one is immune to propaganda, not even myself. I love him, but I feel it is only because he is as charismatic as exemplar cult leaders and manged to gaslight half of the fanbase into believing he's actually a good guy
I kinda wish we had more moments of skull face in phantom pain, and should have hand to hand combat or have a gun fight with his army until skull face is last and both out of ammunition and then have hand to hand combat. And then have the sally boss fight afterwards.
When i think about it, i do overlook BB stealing Venom's life and all of those kids too. He's more of a calculated, almost maniacal evil in that way for sure. [REDACTED]. He became just as much of a boogeyman as Zero was to him later on in their lives. All that said, Hideo is the most evil haha
its been awhile since ive play mgs 5 but wasnt it zero who stole venoms life? Big Boss was also in a coma during that time frame, so unless they just had this plan ready to go from the start I dont think it was him
"He became just as much of a boogeyman as Zero was to him later on in their lives" oooh I really like that!! I can only imagine what was going through Venom's head in his final moments in Zanzibar Land...
Id definitely say skull face is evil. Even if it isn't shown, what he did to Paz is incredibly unspeakable. And as for big boss, i view him more as an Anakin Skywalker type of villain. He was a hero who was consumed by dark forces and shaped him into a villain. And honestly, you could make an video on comparing Star Wars and Metal gear Edit: actually both Zero and big boss were both vader in a sense.
If you _only_ count results and not intentions/plans, I think you could make a compelling case Donald Anderson (AKA SIGINT) is the most destructive person in the series. For starters, _he probably lead Cipher for longer than Zero._ He took over sometime during Big Boss' coma, most likely early on like 1975-1976, and unless he stepped down at some point, would've remained leader til his death in 2005, meaning he lead Cipher for ~30 years compared to Zero only having control for ten at the absolute most. _(note: this is not counting Skull Face as taking over, or the possibility the AIs took over before Shadow Moses)_ While Zero ordered the conceptualisation of the Patriot AIs, SIGINT was the one who actually implemented them, and is responsible for them going rogue in the end, especially with losing Dr Strangelove, who could've actually given the AIs positive human traits. He was also a core force behind the original prototype of Metal Gear REX, which would cause absolute havoc to the stability of the world. Every Metal Gear is scary, but REX was the worst in terms of global implications, its existence completely broke the balance of nuclear power. Anderson seems to be the most least radical member of The Patriots, so the idea that he ended up bearing responsibility for their worst actions is an interesting thought.
Oooh I'd never thought about Donald Anderson, but you make a ton of really great points! He really did have a huge roll in the Patriots, including finishing creating the Patriots AI's after Dr. Strangelove! This gave me a ton to think about, thanks for commenting about Donald Anderson! Who else would you list in your top 3 evilest MGS villains? You've got two more slots to fill haha
The thing about Big Boss is despite it not being the original intention of MG1 the Big Boss of the end of the series never stole the lives of anyone, he only took in soldiers without a nation to fight for and kids with no home to call there own. His outer heaven was built for people as lost as he was once he killed the Boss and found out the truth. In the end though Big Boss realised that despite thinking that he was helping these people by giving them a cause to fight for and continuing the bosses legacy, he figured out the best thing he and they all could have done was move on and “let the world be”
Okay, but he literally orphaned the kids he took in himself haha Can we really say he was taking in kids with no home to call their own when *he* destroyed their home to begin with? That seems silly to me. And talk is cheap. BB can say whatever he wants at the end of MGS4, but unless he *does* something to actually show he's turned over a new leaf then his words are just words. And he knew about FOXDIE too so if he really wanted to make a difference in the world he would have ended Zero off screen and then dedicated his remaining time to making the world a better place. You don't need recognition to be a good person, but BB threw away his second chance at actually being a better person so he could *say* he was a better person. That doesn't sound like a good person to me. And his speech at the end of MGS4 also doesn't erase all the evil he's done in his past. You can forgive BB if you want, but I'll never forget all the orphans wandering around his base in MG2 where BB admits to ending their parents on purpose so he can kidnap and groom them into being soldiers for his army
@@luffiewebster that’s the thing the child soldiers thing has been directly retconned because Kojima wanted to make him not a villain anymore. And at the end of MGS4 he wanted to end everything then and there including killing himself since he realised that him being alive created more problems even if he didn’t do it himself. He ended the misinterpretations of the Boss’ legacy and the war economy created to fight him. I mean factually speaking Big Boss does more to stop the patriots than Solid Snake by a mile
@@luffiewebsterI agree with you on most of the points, but you forgot some things. 1) Big Boss couldn't kill Zero, because his location was hidden by the Patriots AI and their systems. Only after the Partiots' destruction and the fall of their information control system, was Zero's location able to be found. 2) He was actually in a coma after Zanzibarland, only he was freed [at an unknown date] by EVA and Ocelot. The switch with Solidus' body was for the "trick Liquid Ocelot/the Patriots by having the same genetic code for unlocking the secret password" plan.
Nice video, zero also shortening the three snakes lifespan was another messed up thing he did, no remorse or concern for their thoughts and feelings as humans. Just used them.
Ahh!! I should have put that in this vid too, but there's so many evil things Zero did that I didn't even think of it... Shortening the lifespans of the three Snakes is horrible and def shows what a dehumanized tool they were to Zero
Chosing big boss over volgin is wild, big boss did do some pretty bad things but in comparison to volgin big boss is a Saint, Volgin launched a nuke on his own country to try and Stoke up tensions between the US and Russia to start a war which he fully intends to happen so he can establish global Russian dominance, he also implies to ocelot that he's willing to sacrifice as many of his own country men just so he can get his war. He kills Granin cause he only suspects he's the spy but when it's revealed he's not he's just like "oh well" and to say that even though Volgin fired a nuke it doesn't matter cause big boss might fire one is like saying Person A murdered 15 people but I think person B is worse because who's to say he wouldn't murder 15 people
Evil actions are evil intentions overlap but I wouldn't say exactly enough to deem someone more evil than someone else due to outcomes. Volgin was definitely more vicious and evil than Big Boss. Big Boss can be reasoned with, you could appeal to a common humanity. Volgin shared no such common humanity of any concern to him.
I truly do love all of your videos that I’ve watched so far but this one has to be the best! I love the way that you miss pronounced Les Enfants Talib lol. Reminds me of ocelot in MGSV, Les Enfants terribles lol
I personally dont think big boss was evil. I think his whole story is a tragic telling of a man who blindly follows paths that are not his own. He starts as a soldier following orders for the US government, and then becomes obsessed with completing the bosses vision for the rest of his life while also being manipulated and used as propaganda by Zero. Even in MGS V he is going through with plans that were never really his own. He believed himself a free man, but up until the end of MGS 4 he was basically at best a man trying to achieve the dreams of someone else or at worst a puppet for others. There is also some obvious retconning with big boss, I seriously doubt that Kojima had intended for the game to be a popular as it ended up and im sure originally he was designed to just be a straight up bad guy, but at the same time kojima did a great job at making him seem better by having him in a constant war with the patriots. Also when you break down the people who end up following Big Boss you can see that while alot of their actions are reprehensible their goals were noble in the end (ocelot, eva, even grey fox).
At first I thought of volgin based on his SA and Grape of Eva. But then I remembered that Zero is the root cause for everyone's suffering and the US's betrayal of Big Boss and The Boss.
I love this video, but I also passionately disagree with your rankings. Basically, BB shouldn’t be on this list. He’s done a lot of evil stuff, especially to Venom, but he’s also straight up saved the world multiple times, and not just because he was ordered to do so. He’s also gotten fucked over by basically everyone that he’s ever loved or cared about. Meanwhile Volgin is a literal sadist who NUKES HIS OWN DUDES with a smile on his face. BB definitely becomes a villain after ground zeroes but he’s just nowhere close to Volgin or most of the other villains in terms of “evil” in his character.
I like to Imagine that venom adpoted sniper wolf and the reason that she Likes Wolves is because of DD (venoms dog) who would probably still be alive at that point
I like the video, only problem is that the villains arE from the games i havent played or finished (Msx mgs3 and mgsv) but thats some good points you brought up
I def recommend giving them a go if you have the opportunity to! (of course haha I love MGS) Which games have you played and of those games who would you rank as your top 3 evilest villains?
I have played peacewalker (i don't remember much since i havent replayed it) mgs1, twin snakes, 2, 4 and thats It, zero does appear in 4 but hes more of a joke since he doesnt speak and then dies, i would say its him but its a hard choice
@@jetewson It def is a hard choice!! I really waffled on who to put on my list... And I totally get your feelings about Zero showing up at the end of MGS4 haha that's how I feel about BB showing up!
big boss saved the world from all out nuclear war 3 times, portable ops lore destroys the whole MG1 MG2 Big Boss being evil and feats of solid snake defeating venom and big boss
@@tkandm Skull Face was almost my #1 too!! I just couldn't get him there when comparing how much more of a reach Zero has throughout the series and also how weak of a villain Skull Face is overall (most of his villainy happens off screen)... I can def see why Skull Face would be your #1 tho!
On the Kojima thing, he does appear several times throughout the series, you even rescue him a couple of times. Clearly Kojima's in game self is the true evil manipulating BB's every move.
Okay so this video is a bit extreme in terms of describing Big Boss's character. At no point he ever killed parents to use their children in wars. Big Boss's went out of his way to save children from the original outer heaven after NATO bombed them. He went their to the ruins of outer heaven by himself not sending anybody to do that. Didn't played Peace Walker (waiting for Master Collection Vol.3 ) but I think the story has it that all the countries of the world somehow agreed to dispose of all of their nuclear weapons and Big Boss was the only one to have nukes at the end of Peace Walker. Thats because he wanted the world to take him seriously and at no point he ever had intention of using those nukes. Btw some people will say he said those terrible things to Solid Snake in MG2: Solid Snake about those children but if he was going to use those children why weren't there any drills going on during their time as prisoners (which they weren't, they were refugees of war).Also The Phantom Pain incident, Venom, Ocelot and Kaz were the only one to know about the Boss's plan. At the end of MGS V: Phantom Pain, Venom was given a cassette which exactly shows the events of the Mg: MSX and had every little detail that was going to happen in MSX , So that makes Venom already agreeing with the Boss's plan. He did embraced the title of Big Boss at the of mgs V. The best thing about Kojima Games are that they follow the Golden Rule of story telling "Show, Don't Tell". Their was a message at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2 not just for Raiden but also for the player himself but I guess no one took that message seriously.
Huey is definitely up there. Whilst there's definitely a lot of twisted acts performed out of warped justifications of many characters. Huey was a special type of evil more commonplace to the average person. He was motivated by pure self interest, self indulgence and self gratification. Meanwhile spending his entire life interactions with *everyone* curating his image as a victim , naive and well meaning. Either by convincing himself through self deception or intentional malice. Nothing Huey did was ever without himself being the primary beneficiary, there was no greater reason or intention. A meek man whose only sincerity was his own malice and pretence of virtue. A gross character.
BB keeping the nuke was so that zero wouldn't fire bomb motherbase while he's gone and the kids were gonna get a normal childhood then 18 war time. As for venom that was ocelot and zero's working.
Even with BB having a nuke MSF still got destroyed and BB grooming children to fight in his army is terrible regardless if they pick up a gun when they're still kids or at 18
Skull face really got shafted with how MGSV handled cutscenes and storytelling, how can a guy be the cause of mass genocides and terrible torture but his worst on-screen deed is knocking a guy over (who is already pretty terrible). Volgin for me is just THE most villainous of them all without a shadow of doubt, he has no goal that can be construed as fair or for the betterment of the world. With Big Boss, at least he started out okay before the end of Peace Walker when he decides to build ZEKE and keep a nuke. I always forget the kids in MG2, but Chico's recruitment is also pretty bad when you think about it. Zero is definitely terrible when considering all of what he caused, but it's hard to say if everything was his choice or if at some point the majority of the Patriots' decisions were all taken care of by the AI, since Zero at the end of MGS4 is basically a vegetable. He definitely deserves a ton of credit though, the vast majority of the issues with the Patriots are rooted in it's development and early projects all headed by him. Thinking about the other villains it's hard to find big contenders, Ocelot is so flip-floppy it's hard to tell if he's a villain or an ally in every game, but his goals are either for a good end with "bad" (a.k.a. attacking Snake and other people) means or to just mess with Snake. Liquid was only really in one game, and his goal was a soft echo of Big Boss' goals, with a bit of hatred for Snake thrown in there. Solidus wanted to take down the Patriots, which is good, but he was going to do so by hitting Manhattan, not to mention his past with child soldiers like Jack. Pretty evil, but not enough to stand out compared to the likes of Volgin or Big Boss. Hot Coldman was just crazy, believing a hunch was the truth, and the risk of causing nuclear warfare was fine when he could prove his theory right and make Peace Walker the "perfect deterrent." Finally Huey, not really a villain but he stood out to many in MGSV over Skull Face as one of the worst ratting the original Mother Base out and later sabotaging the new base several times to later pin the blame all on Venom, not to mention killing his wife because she didn't want him to use their son as a guinea pig in his robot war machines. Top it off with the supposed death-suicide attempt he did with his later daughter Emma, and you've got a pretty despicable guy. Not quite the big villain evil, but someone you'd like to punch if you could.
What do i think of Skull Face? I think he should have suffered more. I lost my base, comrades, my metal gear, even my angel of peace, al because of him.
I love how most other villains in the Metal Gear have these super covoluted backstories and motivations/reasons for doing what they do whereas Volgin is just like XAXAXAXAXAXA IM EVIL!!!
definitely agree with zero being number one, definitely personifies the "ends justify the means" type of control freak technocrats that are often the cause of so much suffering and death in real life. if you were including characters who are the most evil on a personal level, not based on who negatively impacted the most people, id argue ocelot belongs up there just for the fact its implied he not only tortured Meryl but also sexually assaulted her in MGS1. He's absolutely a true sadist, something they kind of downplayed in the second and third games but its a big part of his character. same deal for volgin, he might not have hurt that many people but its made clear that he has no empathy or remorse for his actions and actively enjoys inflicting misery on others also hate to be the one to inform you that "evilest" is not a real word.
@@bennett4789after you rescue her (assuming you didn't submit to ocelots torture) she says to snake "It wasn’t that bad. I didn’t give in to the torture…and things even worse than that.” also, if you do submit to ocelots torture, he say's he'll "have his fun with her" before he kills her, which could imply torture or SA depending on how you interpret it, but i'd say meryls line is pretty cut and dry
@@gregoryberryconein torturing her in the machine not in bed he’s not that kind of guy especially at na older age otherwise she would of shot ocelot as soon as she saw him in 4 or track him down in mgs2
@@dwaynejpeterkinsorry i don't see how what you said refutes my statement at all, she says "torture and things worse than that" i think in that context shes pretty clearly implying he abused her sexually in some manner. its definitely something i think kojima either forgot or regretted writing into the game given the way its never brought up again but its right there in the games script
@@gregoryberrycone u don’t know for sure and it’s very unlikely that he even did that otherwise it would of been noted likewise wouldn’t be a good idea to add that in metal gear
I like to think BB's final dialogue in Metal Gear 2 is mainly said out of spite towards the Patriots for sending his own son to end him, much like the US government did to him with The Boss. BB had to be the enemy of the world at that time. He accepted his role and rolled with it for the benefit of mankind. That's just like, my opinion tho.
Omg I would love to think of BB's final speech in MG2 was made out of spite... That's a very tempting headcanon to adopt... If only he didn't have a million little kids running around his base proving his words true tho... I've got to stay strong tho and keep the BB hate in my heart haha
No. You got it really wrong. Skull Face as a child was working on his family’s factory production of rapeseed oil and since they were also supporting the war with smuggling and other stuff their fabric got attacked and it resulted on him barely surviving all burnt and disfigured.
Right?? Every time I think I've learned everything there is to know, I find something new I hadn't considered! That's one of the things I really love about making MGS videos -- y'all always have so many interesting things to say that I hadn't considered before!
I’m sorry but I find skullface to be a lame villain as his plans don’t add much to the series after his death also he didn’t really do anything groundbreaking could of replaced him with Armstrong or volgin
This is how I felt about Skull Face too!! Tho the things he did off screen and his plans in general are so despicable that it tipped the scales for me. That's one of the reasons I feel Skull Face is such a disappointing villain. He was clearly planned to have a much bigger impact, but the execution was fumbled
@@luffiewebster He's not like pure evil but he's just such a liar that it is exhausting, and he just goes ooops the patriots made me do it silly me, and he did make his daughter suffer with his lies literally her entire life. She could have died in that final battle in outer heaven without ever knowing the truth!
Man you must really like phantom pain. That was worst metal gear ever made. The story is bad a the game play is even worse. The top three villains are gonna revolver ocelot, liquid, snake and big boss from metal gear 2 solid snake for the msx . Best stories and gameplay
Volgin is probably the cruelest, most sadistic individual in all of the franchise. But, the things he does ultimately have surprisingly little impact on the rest of the world, and don't really ripple out into the rest of the series like the actions of the other characters on this list. He just makes everyone around him miserable. He also doesn't seem to have a god complex like BB, Skull Face, or Zero. He's just kind of a paranoid asshole who wants power and money. Definitely deserves an honorable mention, but doesn't belong in the top 3
I totally agree!! Everything you said is ultimately why I didn't put him in my top 3 list, tho I def felt he deserved a mention like you said
Granted, you could argue that his plans caused the Boss to die, setting up all of the entire events to come. Because it was his random decision to launch the nuke which changed the infiltration plan [which was to infiltrate Volgin anyways] into "scapegoat and kill the Boss" plan.
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After watching snake eater, i still find it hard to believe that paramedic would put gray fox through torturous experiments
Big Boss was once presented as evil, there is no doubt about that. But Kojima clearly retconned him into a more morally gray character. Once you consider that he was in a shadow battle with the true villains of the story (The Patriots), a lot of his actions make sense. Also, I've research MGS multiple times but I can't find one source about BB killing parents and stealing their children. Solidus did that no doubt, but I don't recall BB ever doing that even once or any character claiming that he did either.
...Did... Did you watch my video...? I literally quote BB saying that's what he does. Also where does Kojima say he retconned BB to be less evil? He was def working up to BB being his full evil self in Peace Walker and then in MGSV TPP. Is there an article where Kojima says he retconned BB's character to be less evil? MGS3 was meant to humanize BB for sure, but don't get brainwashed into thinking he's a better person than he actually was lol
@@luffiewebster Can you point the exact moment he said it? I am going through the video to look for it.
@@hunsonabadeer7679 1:55 in the video
@@tkandm Those children can't be from wars BB created. The world was headed towards peace at that time, and no one in MGS Saga ever states that Big Boss started wars to begin with. Yes he himself states that he WILL start a war at some point, but MGS4 already retconned that into him starting a war to fight The Patriots.
@@hunsonabadeer7679counter point, the rise of PMCs and the war economy was already happening by the time of MGS V. Kaz and Ocelot talk about copy cat mercenaries rising, and the emergence of a new war economy. And in MGS 4, the war economy is so prevalent (with PMCs and military culture appearing in the opening commercials and TV shows) that it is hard to believe it got that big only 16-ish years after the "world coming to peace" in MG 2: Solid Snake.
I've gotta say, Venom Snake did some pretty evil things, but the most evil guy has to be the one who set him up into that position.
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Dun dun dun... exactly 😎
BB terrifies me because it reminds me of how no one is immune to propaganda, not even myself. I love him, but I feel it is only because he is as charismatic as exemplar cult leaders and manged to gaslight half of the fanbase into believing he's actually a good guy
Omg yes exactly!!! And I used to believe the propaganda too and believed BB was a good guy also. BB has some of the best press out of anyone in MGS
I kinda wish we had more moments of skull face in phantom pain, and should have hand to hand combat or have a gun fight with his army until skull face is last and both out of ammunition and then have hand to hand combat. And then have the sally boss fight afterwards.
Me too!! I feel like that would have made Skull Face such a stronger villain
When i think about it, i do overlook BB stealing Venom's life and all of those kids too. He's more of a calculated, almost maniacal evil in that way for sure. [REDACTED]. He became just as much of a boogeyman as Zero was to him later on in their lives. All that said, Hideo is the most evil haha
People tend to overlook what happened to Venom because of how handsome he turned out
its been awhile since ive play mgs 5 but wasnt it zero who stole venoms life? Big Boss was also in a coma during that time frame, so unless they just had this plan ready to go from the start I dont think it was him
@@MonticueGaming yeah, Zero set the plan into action, but Big Boss was a little to willing to go along with it I think.
"He became just as much of a boogeyman as Zero was to him later on in their lives" oooh I really like that!! I can only imagine what was going through Venom's head in his final moments in Zanzibar Land...
@@luffiewebster yeah, sometimes you turn into the thing you hate the most......"Grief can make you a monster"-Mr .Manticore
Ocelot? Also I’m starting to think there are people who think you play as the good guys in MGS:PW, GZ and V…
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Id definitely say skull face is evil. Even if it isn't shown, what he did to Paz is incredibly unspeakable. And as for big boss, i view him more as an Anakin Skywalker type of villain. He was a hero who was consumed by dark forces and shaped him into a villain. And honestly, you could make an video on comparing Star Wars and Metal gear
Edit: actually both Zero and big boss were both vader in a sense.
@@jaredgarcia8638 omg bro Fr skull face should be number 1 I think like he made Chico and Paz do you know what🤮 then puts two bombs inside her
Not to mention Chico is like 13 and Paz was like 17
If you _only_ count results and not intentions/plans, I think you could make a compelling case Donald Anderson (AKA SIGINT) is the most destructive person in the series.
For starters, _he probably lead Cipher for longer than Zero._ He took over sometime during Big Boss' coma, most likely early on like 1975-1976, and unless he stepped down at some point, would've remained leader til his death in 2005, meaning he lead Cipher for ~30 years compared to Zero only having control for ten at the absolute most. _(note: this is not counting Skull Face as taking over, or the possibility the AIs took over before Shadow Moses)_
While Zero ordered the conceptualisation of the Patriot AIs, SIGINT was the one who actually implemented them, and is responsible for them going rogue in the end, especially with losing Dr Strangelove, who could've actually given the AIs positive human traits.
He was also a core force behind the original prototype of Metal Gear REX, which would cause absolute havoc to the stability of the world. Every Metal Gear is scary, but REX was the worst in terms of global implications, its existence completely broke the balance of nuclear power.
Anderson seems to be the most least radical member of The Patriots, so the idea that he ended up bearing responsibility for their worst actions is an interesting thought.
Oooh I'd never thought about Donald Anderson, but you make a ton of really great points! He really did have a huge roll in the Patriots, including finishing creating the Patriots AI's after Dr. Strangelove! This gave me a ton to think about, thanks for commenting about Donald Anderson! Who else would you list in your top 3 evilest MGS villains? You've got two more slots to fill haha
Your line at 4:13 about MGS villains is a very succinct way of putting it!
Ahh thank you! This is such a nice compliment -- I really appreciate it!
The thing about Big Boss is despite it not being the original intention of MG1 the Big Boss of the end of the series never stole the lives of anyone, he only took in soldiers without a nation to fight for and kids with no home to call there own. His outer heaven was built for people as lost as he was once he killed the Boss and found out the truth. In the end though Big Boss realised that despite thinking that he was helping these people by giving them a cause to fight for and continuing the bosses legacy, he figured out the best thing he and they all could have done was move on and “let the world be”
Okay, but he literally orphaned the kids he took in himself haha Can we really say he was taking in kids with no home to call their own when *he* destroyed their home to begin with? That seems silly to me. And talk is cheap. BB can say whatever he wants at the end of MGS4, but unless he *does* something to actually show he's turned over a new leaf then his words are just words. And he knew about FOXDIE too so if he really wanted to make a difference in the world he would have ended Zero off screen and then dedicated his remaining time to making the world a better place. You don't need recognition to be a good person, but BB threw away his second chance at actually being a better person so he could *say* he was a better person. That doesn't sound like a good person to me. And his speech at the end of MGS4 also doesn't erase all the evil he's done in his past. You can forgive BB if you want, but I'll never forget all the orphans wandering around his base in MG2 where BB admits to ending their parents on purpose so he can kidnap and groom them into being soldiers for his army
@@luffiewebster that’s the thing the child soldiers thing has been directly retconned because Kojima wanted to make him not a villain anymore. And at the end of MGS4 he wanted to end everything then and there including killing himself since he realised that him being alive created more problems even if he didn’t do it himself. He ended the misinterpretations of the Boss’ legacy and the war economy created to fight him. I mean factually speaking Big Boss does more to stop the patriots than Solid Snake by a mile
@@luffiewebsterI agree with you on most of the points, but you forgot some things.
1) Big Boss couldn't kill Zero, because his location was hidden by the Patriots AI and their systems. Only after the Partiots' destruction and the fall of their information control system, was Zero's location able to be found.
2) He was actually in a coma after Zanzibarland, only he was freed [at an unknown date] by EVA and Ocelot. The switch with Solidus' body was for the "trick Liquid Ocelot/the Patriots by having the same genetic code for unlocking the secret password" plan.
Nice video, zero also shortening the three snakes lifespan was another messed up thing he did, no remorse or concern for their thoughts and feelings as humans. Just used them.
Ahh!! I should have put that in this vid too, but there's so many evil things Zero did that I didn't even think of it... Shortening the lifespans of the three Snakes is horrible and def shows what a dehumanized tool they were to Zero
Chosing big boss over volgin is wild, big boss did do some pretty bad things but in comparison to volgin big boss is a Saint, Volgin launched a nuke on his own country to try and Stoke up tensions between the US and Russia to start a war which he fully intends to happen so he can establish global Russian dominance, he also implies to ocelot that he's willing to sacrifice as many of his own country men just so he can get his war. He kills Granin cause he only suspects he's the spy but when it's revealed he's not he's just like "oh well" and to say that even though Volgin fired a nuke it doesn't matter cause big boss might fire one is like saying Person A murdered 15 people but I think person B is worse because who's to say he wouldn't murder 15 people
If you think about it big boss kind of became volgin but I do think that volgin is more evil then big boss.
Evil actions are evil intentions overlap but I wouldn't say exactly enough to deem someone more evil than someone else due to outcomes. Volgin was definitely more vicious and evil than Big Boss. Big Boss can be reasoned with, you could appeal to a common humanity. Volgin shared no such common humanity of any concern to him.
I truly do love all of your videos that I’ve watched so far but this one has to be the best! I love the way that you miss pronounced Les Enfants Talib lol. Reminds me of ocelot in MGSV, Les Enfants terribles lol
Hahaha I'm glad you got a kick out of that :D
I personally dont think big boss was evil. I think his whole story is a tragic telling of a man who blindly follows paths that are not his own. He starts as a soldier following orders for the US government, and then becomes obsessed with completing the bosses vision for the rest of his life while also being manipulated and used as propaganda by Zero. Even in MGS V he is going through with plans that were never really his own. He believed himself a free man, but up until the end of MGS 4 he was basically at best a man trying to achieve the dreams of someone else or at worst a puppet for others.
There is also some obvious retconning with big boss, I seriously doubt that Kojima had intended for the game to be a popular as it ended up and im sure originally he was designed to just be a straight up bad guy, but at the same time kojima did a great job at making him seem better by having him in a constant war with the patriots. Also when you break down the people who end up following Big Boss you can see that while alot of their actions are reprehensible their goals were noble in the end (ocelot, eva, even grey fox).
“But I’ll never forget how evil he is.” *squinty smolder*
That made me laugh so hard!
I'm so glad 😂 That was my inner hatred of BB seeping out haha
At first I thought of volgin based on his SA and Grape of Eva. But then I remembered that Zero is the root cause for everyone's suffering and the US's betrayal of Big Boss and The Boss.
I love this video, but I also passionately disagree with your rankings. Basically, BB shouldn’t be on this list. He’s done a lot of evil stuff, especially to Venom, but he’s also straight up saved the world multiple times, and not just because he was ordered to do so. He’s also gotten fucked over by basically everyone that he’s ever loved or cared about. Meanwhile Volgin is a literal sadist who NUKES HIS OWN DUDES with a smile on his face. BB definitely becomes a villain after ground zeroes but he’s just nowhere close to Volgin or most of the other villains in terms of “evil” in his character.
Volgin should have still been on the list he wanted to become Stalin but much much more blood thirsty
Bro what? 😭😭
@@johnjackson8545 Volgin wanted to take over the USSR and he was very torture and nuke happy so Stalin mk2
@capitalism5527 that's not who stalin was
@@johnjackson8545 im just using stalin as an example for a russian dictator(even though he wasent even russian)
I was so so close to putting Volgin on this list...
I like to Imagine that venom adpoted sniper wolf and the reason that she Likes Wolves is because of DD (venoms dog) who would probably still be alive at that point
HUEY!! Easily HUEY!!!
Huey's a good pick too!! He's such a gross person
I like the video, only problem is that the villains arE from the games i havent played or finished (Msx mgs3 and mgsv) but thats some good points you brought up
I def recommend giving them a go if you have the opportunity to! (of course haha I love MGS) Which games have you played and of those games who would you rank as your top 3 evilest villains?
I have played peacewalker (i don't remember much since i havent replayed it) mgs1, twin snakes, 2, 4 and thats It, zero does appear in 4 but hes more of a joke since he doesnt speak and then dies, i would say its him but its a hard choice
@@jetewson It def is a hard choice!! I really waffled on who to put on my list... And I totally get your feelings about Zero showing up at the end of MGS4 haha that's how I feel about BB showing up!
You should also include venom snake the demon and sundowner the warmonger to complete the top five.
Perhaps even volgin. Or armstrong.
big boss saved the world from all out nuclear war 3 times, portable ops lore destroys the whole MG1 MG2 Big Boss being evil and feats of solid snake defeating venom and big boss
Great video! Good points all around and definitely a hard topic deciding between the top 3 list you have there.
It really was so hard to choose!! I'm glad you liked my vid! Who would you choose as your top three evilest villains?
@@luffiewebster Tom and I were discussing this today! We had to agree on the same definition of evil lol but our agreed upon #1 was skullface!
@@tkandm Skull Face was almost my #1 too!! I just couldn't get him there when comparing how much more of a reach Zero has throughout the series and also how weak of a villain Skull Face is overall (most of his villainy happens off screen)... I can def see why Skull Face would be your #1 tho!
On the Kojima thing, he does appear several times throughout the series, you even rescue him a couple of times. Clearly Kojima's in game self is the true evil manipulating BB's every move.
100%! Like you said, clearly Kojima's in game self is clearly the true evil manipulating BB's every move 😂 He should have been #1 on my list haha
Okay so this video is a bit extreme in terms of describing Big Boss's character. At no point he ever killed parents to use their children in wars. Big Boss's went out of his way to save children from the original outer heaven after NATO bombed them. He went their to the ruins of outer heaven by himself not sending anybody to do that. Didn't played Peace Walker (waiting for Master Collection Vol.3 ) but I think the story has it that all the countries of the world somehow agreed to dispose of all of their nuclear weapons and Big Boss was the only one to have nukes at the end of Peace Walker. Thats because he wanted the world to take him seriously and at no point he ever had intention of using those nukes. Btw some people will say he said those terrible things to Solid Snake in MG2: Solid Snake about those children but if he was going to use those children why weren't there any drills going on during their time as prisoners (which they weren't, they were refugees of war).Also The Phantom Pain incident, Venom, Ocelot and Kaz were the only one to know about the Boss's plan. At the end of MGS V: Phantom Pain, Venom was given a cassette which exactly shows the events of the Mg: MSX and had every little detail that was going to happen in MSX , So that makes Venom already agreeing with the Boss's plan. He did embraced the title of Big Boss at the of mgs V.
The best thing about Kojima Games are that they follow the Golden Rule of story telling "Show, Don't Tell". Their was a message at the end of Metal Gear Solid 2 not just for Raiden but also for the player himself but I guess no one took that message seriously.
Huey is definitely up there. Whilst there's definitely a lot of twisted acts performed out of warped justifications of many characters. Huey was a special type of evil more commonplace to the average person. He was motivated by pure self interest, self indulgence and self gratification. Meanwhile spending his entire life interactions with *everyone* curating his image as a victim , naive and well meaning. Either by convincing himself through self deception or intentional malice. Nothing Huey did was ever without himself being the primary beneficiary, there was no greater reason or intention. A meek man whose only sincerity was his own malice and pretence of virtue. A gross character.
Skull face in the top three? Wowzer!
Calling Big Boss just BB makes Beast Boy come to mind 😂
BB could've launched His nukes any time and even then He didn't send them after snake destroyed a chopper
Very true and he definitely might have launched his nukes had Snavid not stopped him...
BB keeping the nuke was so that zero wouldn't fire bomb motherbase while he's gone and the kids were gonna get a normal childhood then 18 war time. As for venom that was ocelot and zero's working.
Even with BB having a nuke MSF still got destroyed and BB grooming children to fight in his army is terrible regardless if they pick up a gun when they're still kids or at 18
I believe the inspection was real to a degree as they disarmed the nuke and then started shooting
Skull face really got shafted with how MGSV handled cutscenes and storytelling, how can a guy be the cause of mass genocides and terrible torture but his worst on-screen deed is knocking a guy over (who is already pretty terrible).
Volgin for me is just THE most villainous of them all without a shadow of doubt, he has no goal that can be construed as fair or for the betterment of the world. With Big Boss, at least he started out okay before the end of Peace Walker when he decides to build ZEKE and keep a nuke. I always forget the kids in MG2, but Chico's recruitment is also pretty bad when you think about it.
Zero is definitely terrible when considering all of what he caused, but it's hard to say if everything was his choice or if at some point the majority of the Patriots' decisions were all taken care of by the AI, since Zero at the end of MGS4 is basically a vegetable. He definitely deserves a ton of credit though, the vast majority of the issues with the Patriots are rooted in it's development and early projects all headed by him.
Thinking about the other villains it's hard to find big contenders, Ocelot is so flip-floppy it's hard to tell if he's a villain or an ally in every game, but his goals are either for a good end with "bad" (a.k.a. attacking Snake and other people) means or to just mess with Snake. Liquid was only really in one game, and his goal was a soft echo of Big Boss' goals, with a bit of hatred for Snake thrown in there. Solidus wanted to take down the Patriots, which is good, but he was going to do so by hitting Manhattan, not to mention his past with child soldiers like Jack. Pretty evil, but not enough to stand out compared to the likes of Volgin or Big Boss. Hot Coldman was just crazy, believing a hunch was the truth, and the risk of causing nuclear warfare was fine when he could prove his theory right and make Peace Walker the "perfect deterrent."
Finally Huey, not really a villain but he stood out to many in MGSV over Skull Face as one of the worst ratting the original Mother Base out and later sabotaging the new base several times to later pin the blame all on Venom, not to mention killing his wife because she didn't want him to use their son as a guinea pig in his robot war machines. Top it off with the supposed death-suicide attempt he did with his later daughter Emma, and you've got a pretty despicable guy. Not quite the big villain evil, but someone you'd like to punch if you could.
What do i think of Skull Face? I think he should have suffered more.
I lost my base, comrades, my metal gear, even my angel of peace, al because of him.
One fell from grace, one wanted to burn the world, and one had good intent but it went to hell
100%!
I love how most other villains in the Metal Gear have these super covoluted backstories and motivations/reasons for doing what they do whereas Volgin is just like XAXAXAXAXAXA IM EVIL!!!
Right?? Volgin's kinda fun in that way haha
definitely agree with zero being number one, definitely personifies the "ends justify the means" type of control freak technocrats that are often the cause of so much suffering and death in real life.
if you were including characters who are the most evil on a personal level, not based on who negatively impacted the most people, id argue ocelot belongs up there just for the fact its implied he not only tortured Meryl but also sexually assaulted her in MGS1. He's absolutely a true sadist, something they kind of downplayed in the second and third games but its a big part of his character. same deal for volgin, he might not have hurt that many people but its made clear that he has no empathy or remorse for his actions and actively enjoys inflicting misery on others
also hate to be the one to inform you that "evilest" is not a real word.
sorry but how is sexual assault implied in mgs1? i just played it and i dont remember that
@@bennett4789after you rescue her (assuming you didn't submit to ocelots torture) she says to snake "It wasn’t that bad. I didn’t give in to the torture…and things even worse than that.”
also, if you do submit to ocelots torture, he say's he'll "have his fun with her" before he kills her, which could imply torture or SA depending on how you interpret it, but i'd say meryls line is pretty cut and dry
@@gregoryberryconein torturing her in the machine not in bed he’s not that kind of guy especially at na older age otherwise she would of shot ocelot as soon as she saw him in 4 or track him down in mgs2
@@dwaynejpeterkinsorry i don't see how what you said refutes my statement at all, she says "torture and things worse than that" i think in that context shes pretty clearly implying he abused her sexually in some manner. its definitely something i think kojima either forgot or regretted writing into the game given the way its never brought up again but its right there in the games script
@@gregoryberrycone u don’t know for sure and it’s very unlikely that he even did that otherwise it would of been noted likewise wouldn’t be a good idea to add that in metal gear
I like to think BB's final dialogue in Metal Gear 2 is mainly said out of spite towards the Patriots for sending his own son to end him, much like the US government did to him with The Boss.
BB had to be the enemy of the world at that time. He accepted his role and rolled with it for the benefit of mankind.
That's just like, my opinion tho.
Omg I would love to think of BB's final speech in MG2 was made out of spite... That's a very tempting headcanon to adopt... If only he didn't have a million little kids running around his base proving his words true tho... I've got to stay strong tho and keep the BB hate in my heart haha
My favorite character is venom snake
I love Venom! He's great :D
Volgin! Big Boss MG2, Liquid Snake
Liquid!! Why Liquid? Jk I understand why haha He was def up to no good in MGS1... I came so so close to putting Volgin on my list too!
Maybe sundowner?
Well skullface was a child soldier that most likely served under the boss as he got burned while liberating a nazi factory that caught on fire
No. You got it really wrong.
Skull Face as a child was working on his family’s factory production of rapeseed oil and since they were also supporting the war with smuggling and other stuff their fabric got attacked and it resulted on him barely surviving all burnt and disfigured.
Konami should’ve been number one
Omg you're so right haha! Now I've got to remake the video...
This series is too good with its lore
Right?? Every time I think I've learned everything there is to know, I find something new I hadn't considered! That's one of the things I really love about making MGS videos -- y'all always have so many interesting things to say that I hadn't considered before!
I’m sorry but I find skullface to be a lame villain as his plans don’t add much to the series after his death also he didn’t really do anything groundbreaking could of replaced him with Armstrong or volgin
This is how I felt about Skull Face too!! Tho the things he did off screen and his plans in general are so despicable that it tipped the scales for me. That's one of the reasons I feel Skull Face is such a disappointing villain. He was clearly planned to have a much bigger impact, but the execution was fumbled
Coward Duck for the win!
Coward Duck? Wait do you mean Dirty Duck..? I love Dirty Duck :D He's a great pick!
Классное видео.
Спасибо!
Campbell, big boss post mgs5 and skull face. Those chico tapes? 🤢🤮 It was hard to listen too. Poor paz
Oooh Campbell's a good pick! He's terrible!! And I agree, the Chico tapes are a hard listen
@@luffiewebster He's not like pure evil but he's just such a liar that it is exhausting, and he just goes ooops the patriots made me do it silly me, and he did make his daughter suffer with his lies literally her entire life. She could have died in that final battle in outer heaven without ever knowing the truth!
Man you must really like phantom pain. That was worst metal gear ever made. The story is bad a the game play is even worse. The top three villains are gonna revolver ocelot, liquid, snake and big boss from metal gear 2 solid snake for the msx . Best stories and gameplay
Skullface
Col. Volgin
Ex cia chief hot Coldman.
Huey
I super considered Hot Coldman for this list too!! There's so many really evil villains in MGS
@@luffiewebster image the villains the boss's cobra unit must have faced in ww2.
I like metal gears solid
Me too!