the International Tractor would make a helluva picture to frame and hang in tribute..the shell landing straight up gives pause to reflect of 80 years of quiet, dark solitude..and then there is the bat..this video hit me the most..thanks Sky..and to Petrel...Paul Allen was such a driving force to keep these brave people alive in memoriam...
The pressure to crush that nitrogen bottle really puts in to perspective how deep these wreaks are. It may not have been full but those usually come with 3000 Psi inside for the purpose of servicing the aircraft tires.
@@XOsubmariner Those cylinders had gases in them: nitrogen, oxygen, etc.. They are made of 1/4" steel. It's most impressive to think how much pressure is being exerted at that depth.
@@steveinla8963 yeah I know about compressed air bottles being a submariner I thought maybe nitrogen becomes a liquid when under pressure but it obviously it doesn't like propane butane gas 270 PSI
It took sub commanders and other officers literally risking their careers to fix that travesty of an issue, repeatedly telling higher level Naval staff about the problem when they insisted there was no problem. Shameful.
And no high ranking officer in the bureau of ordinance was punished for their role in not investigating the complaints about the problems with the Mark 13 & Mark 14 torpedoes.
@@RichardKroboth - Richard, this story is one of those tales from US history that causes me actual visceral anger. The problem should have been addressed the first time it came up. Egos got in the way of common sense and rationality (as egos often do). So maddening.
@@RichardKroboth It was not only the fact that they did not investigate; they openly blamed the submariners for every failure and then tried to cover it up and even tried to stop the investigation. The absolute worst scandal in the US Military during WW2.
I think that it is the same Wildcat from reverse angles around the 10 minute mark. The first photo has an upside down 14 partially obscured by marine growth on the folded port wing. The 14 shows prominently on the fuselage and folded starboard wing in the second photo.
that cap is a really interesting mystery. had it fallen out of a sea bag or locker it likely wouldve been folded flat and remained that way. but its unfolded as if someone had been wearing it before its journey to the bottom. was some sailor wearing it for sentimental reasons and lost it during the abandoning process?
Do you think that Akigumo and Makigumo deserve credit for sinking USS Hornet, or was she already fatally wounded by the air attacks and would have sank regardless.
Given the damage, flooding, and list, I'd say it was already fatally hit. Much like with the Bismark which was fatally hit and the shuttling just sped up the process of going under, so too the Japanese torpedoes sped up Hornet going under.
The problem with US torpedoes used by the Navy, at least the worst problem (depth control was a problem also) was the firing pin spring which often could not overcome the drag induced by a normal 90 degree direct hit. This is where the majority of failures occurred. Angled hits usually resulted in detonations however most of the torpedoes fired in the war were usually straight on 90 degree hits. Japanese and later US torpedoes fixed this problem and the US Submarine Force eventually dealt the Japanese maritime fleet a mortal blow.
I did not know until the reporting in this video that the hornet was a float with the Japanese arrive. I have done extensive research into every major American versus Japanese engagement in the second world war and nowhere does it say that the Japanese found the USS Hornet afloat when they arrive until this video.
HORNET is famous in this regard - I've read accounts stating things as "no American ship ever died harder than HORNET", "American shipbuilders were far superior to her torpedo makers". In no other carrier battle besides Santa Cruz was the Japanese fleet able to steam to the location where their aircraft had attacked the U.S. carriers.
On that Japanese aircraft, guessing that that was a Zero? Zero's had folding wingtips, and it was just the last 18 inches or so beyond the aileron which matches the break in the wing on that wreckage. There were also two main wing spars and the insignia wraps around the edges of where those wing spars ran in the A6M. So not definitive, but certainly compelling . . .
Doesn't look Japanese to me. It's got right angles and a rectangular shape. I think they mis-identified this because it looks more like open dive brakes on a dauntless if you are looking from behind the wing. They were painted that bright red just like that. And, the paint is white next to it like the underside as well as the blue behind the wreck that looks like the root of the vertical stab.
Is that a real image of the hornet and the water splashes or just a image to depict it at the start.🦘🦘✌✌ because if its real look how high those water towers are almost the height of the ships deck. thats over 70 ft up in the air almost etc. 🦘🦘✌✌
Please take note: Only Enterprise survived the war and she was so torn up from damage that in 1958 she was scrapped by a generation that somehow could not bring themselves to pay for the maintenance of the most decorated warship in the entire fleet. Basically, Hornet never had much of a chance, neither did Yorktown. The question to ask yourself is why. Why did the US insist on building these ships that fought bravely but got young men killed? Not by poor luck, nope, by not spending the money that was needed to have proper torpedo defense AND an armored flight deck, both of which could have been done and both of which others had figured out was essential for the design of aircraft carriers in 1935. See kids, the US Navy had to settle for what they could spend depending on the whims of Congress. You probably don't know just how much your Congress hated spending money on the Navy back then. The war in the Pacific was a close run thing, mostly because cowards in Congress refused to spend the money needed to fight a war until after Pearl Harbor. My uncle was at Pearl that morning and served onboard Enterprise as flag signals officer. So by all means, bear witness to the results here on this video. You will not see human bodies down there at the bottom of the south Pacific, because the sea consumes everything, flesh, bone, everything but the leather soles of those men's shoes. 140 sailors paid with their lives that day in October 1942, most of the crew survived.
Hornet survivors were somewhat bitter about its loss . What I've read they said do pride hornet was lost! Because enterprise was the senior vessel, their cic was older than hornets they could plot incoming attacks better than enterprise! But enterprise was in charge of vectoring! My understanding was the f4f-4 also didn't help they were slower than the dash 3's ,carried less ammunition ! They to be vectored way ahead an incoming strike or they couldn't get to the intercept point in time! I've got Bartlett Tillmans book about f4f's 3ft from I'm setting I guess I could fact check it in his book !!
Yes, the fighter direction from ENTERPRISE to counter the first incoming attack was very unhelpful, plus for some reason the fleet's air defense radars did not give adequate warning of the planes. HORNET eventually started sending messages directing her own fighters as the attack was beginning but it was too late.
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the International Tractor would make a helluva picture to frame and hang in tribute..the shell landing straight up gives pause to reflect of 80 years of quiet, dark solitude..and then there is the bat..this video hit me the most..thanks Sky..and to Petrel...Paul Allen was such a driving force to keep these brave people alive in memoriam...
The pressure to crush that nitrogen bottle really puts in to perspective how deep these wreaks are. It may not have been full but those usually come with 3000 Psi inside for the purpose of servicing the aircraft tires.
I guess it would be completely flat but for the liquid inside of it do you think
@@XOsubmariner Those cylinders had gases in them: nitrogen, oxygen, etc.. They are made of 1/4" steel. It's most impressive to think how much pressure is being exerted at that depth.
@@steveinla8963 yeah I know about compressed air bottles being a submariner I thought maybe nitrogen becomes a liquid when under pressure but it obviously it doesn't like propane butane gas 270 PSI
Acetylene bottle. It was color coded yellow.
so cool how you can still read ready reserve, USS Hornet, after 80 years
Amazing vids and info Skynea, keep up the great work :D
Had a old friend that was on her that day and survived .....RIP Andy!
Excellent ending! The picture of the Japanese aircraft wreck was fascinating. Somehow, i had not seen that.
USS Hornet was officially commissioned 20 October 1941. For all the times she pops up in the history books her service lasted 53 weeks.
...'for those in peril, on the sea'...brave youngsters, all
A beautiful hymn
Magnificent ship and story. Part of me feels that she's still on duty, patrolling the sea against America's enemies.
I'm sure I am not the only person who would love to have the International Harvester tug. What a great restoration project that would be!
I'd bet some mystery oil; piston rings and plugs, and such would get her to fire again too?!
2:54 : "...most of which failed to detonate." Men died to deliver duds, glad the US ultimately figured out how to make torpedos that worked.
It took sub commanders and other officers literally risking their careers to fix that travesty of an issue, repeatedly telling higher level Naval staff about the problem when they insisted there was no problem. Shameful.
And no high ranking officer in the bureau of ordinance was punished for their role in not investigating the complaints about the problems with the Mark 13 & Mark 14 torpedoes.
@@RichardKroboth - Richard, this story is one of those tales from US history that causes me actual visceral anger. The problem should have been addressed the first time it came up. Egos got in the way of common sense and rationality (as egos often do). So maddening.
@@RichardKroboth It was not only the fact that they did not investigate; they openly blamed the submariners for every failure and then tried to cover it up and even tried to stop the investigation. The absolute worst scandal in the US Military during WW2.
That cap sitting on the bottom of the sea makes for a lonely image. It somehow made its way down there with the rest of the wreckage...
It must be a synthetic material to have survived so long - rayon acetate or nylon perhaps?
I think that it is the same Wildcat from reverse angles around the 10 minute mark. The first photo has an upside down 14 partially obscured by marine growth on the folded port wing. The 14 shows prominently on the fuselage and folded starboard wing in the second photo.
Great video mister, we are so lucky to have all the footage available and such detail 👍👍🇦🇺
Chilling.
I would love to see that signal bridge brought up and put in a museum.
that cap is a really interesting mystery. had it fallen out of a sea bag or locker it likely wouldve been folded flat and remained that way. but its unfolded as if someone had been wearing it before its journey to the bottom. was some sailor wearing it for sentimental reasons and lost it during the abandoning process?
Do you think that Akigumo and Makigumo deserve credit for sinking USS Hornet, or was she already fatally wounded by the air attacks and would have sank regardless.
Given the damage, flooding, and list, I'd say it was already fatally hit. Much like with the Bismark which was fatally hit and the shuttling just sped up the process of going under, so too the Japanese torpedoes sped up Hornet going under.
I’m actually going to try to get the navy to raise her and turn her into a museum
Most heroic ship ever! R.I.P.
No Victory or warspite
The problem with US torpedoes used by the Navy, at least the worst problem (depth control was a problem also) was the firing pin spring which often could not overcome the drag induced by a normal 90 degree direct hit. This is where the majority of failures occurred. Angled hits usually resulted in detonations however most of the torpedoes fired in the war were usually straight on 90 degree hits. Japanese and later US torpedoes fixed this problem and the US Submarine Force eventually dealt the Japanese maritime fleet a mortal blow.
Fair winds shipmates. Will see you on the other side for a beer
The kamikaze in the 1st pic makes the blood run cold…..
I wonder what difference it would have made to the Pacific War if Japan had saved the ship?
They wouldn’t have saved it for long - it was already sinking - the Japanese merely accelerated the process with several torpedoes
American Ship, Not Japanese!!
If they got it back to Japan they would have scrapped it for the steel. To use an enemy vessel would have had bad Kami.
I did not know until the reporting in this video that the hornet was a float with the Japanese arrive. I have done extensive research into every major American versus Japanese engagement in the second world war and nowhere does it say that the Japanese found the USS Hornet afloat when they arrive until this video.
HORNET is famous in this regard - I've read accounts stating things as "no American ship ever died harder than HORNET", "American shipbuilders were far superior to her torpedo makers". In no other carrier battle besides Santa Cruz was the Japanese fleet able to steam to the location where their aircraft had attacked the U.S. carriers.
Winter cap, old style. If you look at the picture of the famous Sullivan brothers, they are wearing this type cap.
On that Japanese aircraft, guessing that that was a Zero? Zero's had folding wingtips, and it was just the last 18 inches or so beyond the aileron which matches the break in the wing on that wreckage. There were also two main wing spars and the insignia wraps around the edges of where those wing spars ran in the A6M. So not definitive, but certainly compelling . . .
Doesn't look Japanese to me. It's got right angles and a rectangular shape. I think they mis-identified this because it looks more like open dive brakes on a dauntless if you are looking from behind the wing. They were painted that bright red just like that. And, the paint is white next to it like the underside as well as the blue behind the wreck that looks like the root of the vertical stab.
11:50 perhaps one of the japanese AC that struck Hornet! Good chance it is!
Same Wildcat, just an opposite angle. Aircraft No. 14.
The second F4F is not inverted.
Amazing,The wreckage of a Japanese plane that had a hand in sinking the hornet.
Is that a real image of the hornet and the water splashes or just a image to depict it at the start.🦘🦘✌✌
because if its real look how high those water towers are almost the height of the ships deck. thats over 70 ft up in the air almost etc. 🦘🦘✌✌
Please take note: Only Enterprise survived the war and she was so torn up from damage that in 1958 she was scrapped by a generation that somehow could not bring themselves to pay for the maintenance of the most decorated warship in the entire fleet. Basically, Hornet never had much of a chance, neither did Yorktown. The question to ask yourself is why. Why did the US insist on building these ships that fought bravely but got young men killed? Not by poor luck, nope, by not spending the money that was needed to have proper torpedo defense AND an armored flight deck, both of which could have been done and both of which others had figured out was essential for the design of aircraft carriers in 1935. See kids, the US Navy had to settle for what they could spend depending on the whims of Congress. You probably don't know just how much your Congress hated spending money on the Navy back then. The war in the Pacific was a close run thing, mostly because cowards in Congress refused to spend the money needed to fight a war until after Pearl Harbor. My uncle was at Pearl that morning and served onboard Enterprise as flag signals officer. So by all means, bear witness to the results here on this video. You will not see human bodies down there at the bottom of the south Pacific, because the sea consumes everything, flesh, bone, everything but the leather soles of those men's shoes. 140 sailors paid with their lives that day in October 1942, most of the crew survived.
Forensically documented
Hornet survivors were somewhat bitter about its loss . What I've read they said do pride hornet was lost! Because enterprise was the senior vessel, their cic was older than hornets they could plot incoming attacks better than enterprise! But enterprise was in charge of vectoring! My understanding was the f4f-4 also didn't help they were slower than the dash 3's ,carried less ammunition ! They to be vectored way ahead an incoming strike or they couldn't get to the intercept point in time! I've got Bartlett Tillmans book about f4f's 3ft from I'm setting I guess I could fact check it in his book !!
Yes, the fighter direction from ENTERPRISE to counter the first incoming attack was very unhelpful, plus for some reason the fleet's air defense radars did not give adequate warning of the planes. HORNET eventually started sending messages directing her own fighters as the attack was beginning but it was too late.
Horrible......