Innocent Orikiiriza, great question. I am not an expert on the FCC rules, but for CE marking I can say that in case a certificate is required (not in all cases it is), the certification body will the validity period itself. There are no legal requirements specifying a certain validity period. Some certification bodies have a validity period of one year, others three years, sometimes even longer.
@Yippykaiyay Good question. Actually, it does not have to be on products sold in the US. But due to the costs, many manufacturers choose to have one product label instead of one label for every market they sell to.
I suppose it is possible to have a device pass CE but not UL (or CLA) or vice versa? I know UL performs "explosion tests" and other strange things like that.
@@supadupahilton6848 Yes, you are correct. UL uses different standards than this used for CE (same for CSA). In some cases, the UL standards are derived from the same international standards. In that case, the UL-compliant product may also comply with the CE standard. However, please note that formally you can only declare CE compliance on the basis of a CE standard.
Hi Han. I have a discussion with a colleague about CE marking on electrical panels. Can or should you CE mark an electrical control panel that is a part of a machinery, when you have no responsibility for the CE marking of the final machinery?
The control panel should receive the CE marking only in combination with the complete machine. However, the conformity assessment of the panel with the applicable standards for control panels can already be done by you. I recommend you to find the applicable standards, and design the panel in accordance with them, so you will not create obstacles for your customer to get the CE marking.
Thank you for your question. Examples of products that do not require CE: Foodstuffs, chemical products like detergents, sport-equipment without electronics, glassware, plastic containers, plates. Just a few examples.
Lauris, these gloves may need CE on the basis of being personal protective equipment. Construction material with a purpose of being fixed into a construction works may be covered by the Construction Products Regulation, and as such require the CE mark.
You said "In some cases it is required to have product assessed by third party" I think that a good example is steel manufacturing. I paste extract from TATA Steel catalogue: Because steel components are “safety critical”, CE Marking is not allowed unless the Factory Production Control (FPC) system under which they are produced has been assessed by a suitable Notified body that has been approved to the European Commission
What about products like gardening gloves, or any of those non brand cheap gloves, but they are to protect our skin, I do not remember seeing CE on them? And construction field equipment, like latter scaffolding, etc?? maybe there is more info to this???
Well, SlayerOfLies, if only it was so easy that all fraudulent manufacturers would use special CE markings. In most cases, they use the normal CE marking. As your example illustrates, everyone should be vigilant with regards to CE marked products. Thank you for sharing your story!
How much more should I pay for product with CE and FCC markings and is it worth it. I am looking at 2 dashcams one is 70$ and another is 80$. The main difference is that 80$ international dashcamera is CE and FCC certified. Should I buy the international version with certification or regular version for less? (yi xiaomi dashcams )
Hi Han..do i need CE marking for the device to produce clean el. energy with all standard parts that already have CE marking..only my setup is different.?
Hi David, Yes, you do need your own CE marking. The assembly of electronic components has not been tested, and in practice it is often shown that even when only CE approved components are used, the end-product does not comply. Also, you have to consider that the CE compliance statement from suppliers are incorrect or even false. Having said that, often you will have the opportunity to leverage the CE compliance efforts of suppliers. So it certainly helps to use CE approved components. I hope this is helpful. Kind regards, Han
ISO Certification, CE Mark, Rohs,HACCP, GMP, other ISO 900 Series and ISO 9001 , 14001 , 45001 , 27001 , 13485 , 22000, HALAL ,DRDO, . Contact or watsup -8826546617 (ISO body)
maybe it would have been helpful to show the difference between a REAL and FAKE CE marking on a product since we often see CE for "China Export" rather than Conformite Europeenne
The "Chinese Export" mark does not exist. It is an invention. There is no certification scheme for "Chinese Export". I have written this blog post about it: cemarking.net/chinese-export/ Of course we do know that there are many Chinese manufacturers that do not apply the EU requirements and that would like to hide this fact. But this is not determined by the marking. There are many products that have the correct CE marking that still do not comply. Simply remember that you cannot rely on the marking itself. CE compliance always will have to be proven by documentation.
I got a question please, if a factory/manufacture make an equipment for his own use , does he need to affix the ce mark ? Or no need cuz its for his own use ??
Dear Sir, If this factory/manufacturer is located in the EU it does indeed require CE marking for equipment intended to be put into service for own use.
This is what I found out I hope it help, contact the HSE don't bother with trading standards " market surveillance " a waste of time Where the equipment has an assembly of linked, powered parts and where at least one of them moves for a specific application, then it will be defined as a machine under the Machinery Directive (2006/42/EC). Actually there are seven categories of equipment in all that are covered by the Machinery Directive and it states that “before placing machinery on the market and/or putting it into service, the manufacturer must… affix the CE marking” (along with all of the other CE marking tasks). The key aspect for machines built for own use is whether they are being placed on the market or being put into service. To place a machine on the market, the manufacturer must be making the machine available with a view for distribution or use and this is whether for reward or free of charge. Generally the act of placing a product on the market involves the product exchanging hands from one company to another person, which is not the case for machines built for own use. So the definition of ‘putting into service’ is very important for machinery built for own use. Luckily it is defined within the Directive which explains that putting into service “means the first use, for its intended purpose, in the Community.” The European Commission’s guide to the Machinery Directive provides further support for this definition and says that whilst persons manufacturing machines for own use have not ‘placed the machine on the market’, they have put the machine into service, which is covered by the Directive and therefore should be CE marked.
my brother has a camcorder which he bought from currys in london and has CE mark. i bought the same make and model when i was in china but mine does not have a CE mark on it , will it be the same Qaulity as my brothers.
Hi jim bob , The camcorder your brother bought was prepared specifically for the EU market 9that is why it has the CE mark). Yours was not. It does not necessarily mean that the one without CE marking has a lower quality, but the configuration could (slightly) differ.
I am looking to buy a "yi xiaomi dashcam". The Chiniese version is 70$, International version is 80$. Main difference is that international version is CE and FCC certified. Do you think it is worth it to buy the international version because it is certified? What has been your experience with the camera?
Hello Han. Thanks for the video. However it's not clear how can I, as end user, know if the CE marking on a certain product is real. Not just a logo imprinted by some cheating manufacturer. Is there a centralised database to search by product name or model about the validity of the marking, or should I go straight to the manufacturer and request from them the proof (seriously?) If the latter is the case then what's the usability of this certification? Thanks
Hello Andres, Thank you for your comments. There is no central database of validated CE marked products. The manufacturer can provide you with a Declaration of Conformity, and that will provide you with information that allows you to check if the correct directives and standards apply. There may also be a third party test lab or certification body involved in the conformity assessment, and if so, you can check with them. For a lot of products, no third party intervention is required. In such case, you cannot rely on the assessment of an independent body. You will need to know about the requirements and then you can check yourself if they were applied correctly. By the way, the manufacturer is responsible for the compliance of his/her product even after they have placed it in the market, and the market surveillance bodies can check and if they find the product not to be compliant there is a range of measures they can take, including fining, prohibition of sales, withdrawal and recall. This provides an incentive for the manufacture to ensure compliance. Also, not only the manufacturer has responsibility to ensure compliance, also the importer has this responsibility. Distributors als must check the compliance and if they doubt, inform the authorities. CE marking simply works in a different way. It is not a traditional certification. The government is not involved in approving products in the market. Also approval is not left to one organisation that sets standards and certifies 9such as UL). Surely the system has its disadvantages, but the great advantage is that CE marking is less costly and time consuming. Many researches have shown that products in the market are not more unsafe than when there is pre-market control. There are not more incidents with products. There are even less. This while having the advantage that market introduction is less costly and time consuming.
Hi Ian, I assume you mean it is purchased directly from a Chinese manufacturer? Yes, these products require CE marking and the person who imports it into the EU is responsible for CE compliance.
The standards should be made public, just as trafic rules are. Do you really think that the Chinese guys are going to pay to get the documents ??? ..... This results like what is happening now, massive export (most even counterfeit) with CE on it. That Europe 'forgot' to register the CE logo is just a big joke, unbelievablle but true
Dear Johan, The reason is the organisational and financial model behind European standardisation. Standards are consensus documents developed by manufacturers, consumers and state representatives and other stakeholders together. The work is coordinated/facilitated by standards bodies (such as BSi, DIN, AFNOR etc on the national level, and CEN, CENELEC and ETSI on the European level. European standardisation (as well as standardisation in the EU Member Sates for that matter) is not a state function: it is an activity coordinated by private and independent bodies. These private bodies receive some contribution from Member States and the EU, but that contribution does not cover all the costs. The sales of standards is an important part of the financial model. If standardisation would not be financed through license fees, and would be financed purely by state contribution, it would lead to two things: 1. the taxes would have to be raised (for everyone, not just those that are benefitting from using the standards); 2. the governments would have a strong control over standardisation, and could influence the content of standards through the financial contribution. Yes, standards cost money. Sometimes a lot. But those companies that apply standards, get great benefits from them: easier market access, easier way to comply with regulations, a consensus with suppliers and customers about the technology. Maybe good to note: in order to obtain the right to affix the CE marking, companies need to comply with European Directives and/or regulations. These documents are free of charge and widely available. CE Directives will refer to lists of standards that you may use in the conformity assessment of a product against the requirements of the directives and/or regulations. However, the use of standards is not obligatory! So f you do not want to use standards, you don't have to.
The company I used to work for got sold a batch of Castles EPOS card readers some years ago. I was able to prove that they were not to be used and could be dangerous by showing that the CE logo that had been used did not conform to the required standard. I was ignored for some months until units started to come back to us with blown batteries and poor communication via GSM. It is important when dealing with anything from China to ensure that the CE logo is correct. I'm rather supprised that you did not show the simple method of seeing if the logo is correct or not. i.e. The C forms a circle which intersects with the left hand edge of the E. If it does not then demand to see the certification for the device before buying and do not be duped by a self certification document as was tried on us.
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Innocent Orikiiriza, great question. I am not an expert on the FCC rules, but for CE marking I can say that in case a certificate is required (not in all cases it is), the certification body will the validity period itself. There are no legal requirements specifying a certain validity period. Some certification bodies have a validity period of one year, others three years, sometimes even longer.
Thanks., This video has cleared some misconceptions I had about CE marking
You are welcome Selvamani.
I wish i could find more videos whit this exceptional way to explain things.
@Yippykaiyay Good question. Actually, it does not have to be on products sold in the US. But due to the costs, many manufacturers choose to have one product label instead of one label for every market they sell to.
I suppose it is possible to have a device pass CE but not UL (or CLA) or vice versa? I know UL performs "explosion tests" and other strange things like that.
@@supadupahilton6848 Yes, you are correct. UL uses different standards than this used for CE (same for CSA). In some cases, the UL standards are derived from the same international standards. In that case, the UL-compliant product may also comply with the CE standard. However, please note that formally you can only declare CE compliance on the basis of a CE standard.
Hi Han. I have a discussion with a colleague about CE marking on electrical panels.
Can or should you CE mark an electrical control panel that is a part of a machinery, when you have no responsibility for the CE marking of the final machinery?
The control panel should receive the CE marking only in combination with the complete machine. However, the conformity assessment of the panel with the applicable standards for control panels can already be done by you. I recommend you to find the applicable standards, and design the panel in accordance with them, so you will not create obstacles for your customer to get the CE marking.
Great information - Thank you!
A Great addition for the non- English listner as the words are clear & understandable.
Hello, thanks a lot. I have been looking for the meaning for the past so many years
You are most welcome, Anil.
Thanks, 87roviprog! We are trying to do our best.
Hi could someone plz give example of what kind of product doesn't need the CE mark? Obviously the items are for sales in within the EU.
Thank you for your question. Examples of products that do not require CE:
Foodstuffs, chemical products like detergents, sport-equipment without electronics, glassware, plastic containers, plates. Just a few examples.
thanks a lot very useful information
Lauris, these gloves may need CE on the basis of being personal protective equipment. Construction material with a purpose of being fixed into a construction works may be covered by the Construction Products Regulation, and as such require the CE mark.
You said "In some cases it is required to have product assessed by third party"
I think that a good example is steel manufacturing. I paste extract from TATA Steel catalogue:
Because steel components are “safety critical”,
CE Marking is not allowed unless the Factory
Production Control (FPC) system under
which they are produced has been assessed
by a suitable Notified body that has been
approved to the European Commission
Ty so much! :) are u icelandic?
No, I am from the Netherlands.
@@HanZuyderwijk Awe..appreciate. then I'm moving to the Netherland! haha tnx! u rock
@@Light-gp9hk Thnx!
No, only with the VDE marking you cannot sell the product in the EU. The VDE marking may help to get the CE marking though.
What about products like gardening gloves, or any of those non brand cheap gloves, but they are to protect our skin, I do not remember seeing CE on them?
And construction field equipment, like latter scaffolding, etc??
maybe there is more info to this???
Well, SlayerOfLies, if only it was so easy that all fraudulent manufacturers would use special CE markings. In most cases, they use the normal CE marking. As your example illustrates, everyone should be vigilant with regards to CE marked products. Thank you for sharing your story!
How much more should I pay for product with CE and FCC markings and is it worth it. I am looking at 2 dashcams one is 70$ and another is 80$. The main difference is that 80$ international dashcamera is CE and FCC certified. Should I buy the international version with certification or regular version for less? (yi xiaomi dashcams )
Where do you live? If you are in the EU, the case should have CE. When you are in the US, the cam should have FCC.
+Han Zuyderwijk I am in US, i think i will get certified version. I will assume its better:)
Hi Han..do i need CE marking for the device to produce clean el. energy with all standard parts that already have CE marking..only my setup is different.?
Hi David,
Yes, you do need your own CE marking. The assembly of electronic components has not been tested, and in practice it is often shown that even when only CE approved components are used, the end-product does not comply. Also, you have to consider that the CE compliance statement from suppliers are incorrect or even false. Having said that, often you will have the opportunity to leverage the CE compliance efforts of suppliers. So it certainly helps to use CE approved components.
I hope this is helpful.
Kind regards,
Han
ISO Certification, CE Mark, Rohs,HACCP, GMP, other ISO 900 Series and ISO 9001 , 14001 , 45001 , 27001 , 13485 , 22000, HALAL ,DRDO, .
Contact or watsup -8826546617
(ISO body)
maybe it would have been helpful to show the difference between a REAL and FAKE CE marking on a product since we often see CE for "China Export" rather than Conformite Europeenne
The "Chinese Export" mark does not exist. It is an invention. There is no certification scheme for "Chinese Export". I have written this blog post about it: cemarking.net/chinese-export/
Of course we do know that there are many Chinese manufacturers that do not apply the EU requirements and that would like to hide this fact. But this is not determined by the marking. There are many products that have the correct CE marking that still do not comply.
Simply remember that you cannot rely on the marking itself. CE compliance always will have to be proven by documentation.
I got a question please, if a factory/manufacture make an equipment for his own use , does he need to affix the ce mark ? Or no need cuz its for his own use ??
Dear Sir,
If this factory/manufacturer is located in the EU it does indeed require CE marking for equipment intended to be put into service for own use.
This is what I found out I hope it help, contact the HSE don't bother with trading standards " market surveillance " a waste of time
Where the equipment has an assembly of linked, powered parts and where at least one of them moves for a specific application, then it will be defined as a machine under the Machinery Directive (2006/42/EC). Actually there are seven categories of equipment in all that are covered by the Machinery Directive and it states that “before placing machinery on the market and/or putting it into service, the manufacturer must… affix the CE marking” (along with all of the other CE marking tasks). The key aspect for machines built for own use is whether they are being placed on the market or being put into service.
To place a machine on the market, the manufacturer must be making the machine available with a view for distribution or use and this is whether for reward or free of charge. Generally the act of placing a product on the market involves the product exchanging hands from one company to another person, which is not the case for machines built for own use. So the definition of ‘putting into service’ is very important for machinery built for own use. Luckily it is defined within the Directive which explains that putting into service “means the first use, for its intended purpose, in the Community.” The European Commission’s guide to the Machinery Directive provides further support for this definition and says that whilst persons manufacturing machines for own use have not ‘placed the machine on the market’, they have put the machine into service, which is covered by the Directive and therefore should be CE marked.
using this in my nebosh studies
Lourens Meyer Great Lourens. Let us know when you have questions.
If a product only has a VDE mark, can it be sold and traded in the EU as if it has a CE Marking?
my brother has a camcorder which he bought from currys in london and has CE mark.
i bought the same make and model when i was in china but mine does not have a CE mark on it , will it be the same Qaulity as my brothers.
Hi jim bob ,
The camcorder your brother bought was prepared specifically for the EU market 9that is why it has the CE mark). Yours was not. It does not necessarily mean that the one without CE marking has a lower quality, but the configuration could (slightly) differ.
I am looking to buy a "yi xiaomi dashcam". The Chiniese version is 70$, International version is 80$. Main difference is that international version is CE and FCC certified. Do you think it is worth it to buy the international version because it is certified? What has been your experience with the camera?
Hello Han. Thanks for the video. However it's not clear how can I, as end user, know if the CE marking on a certain product is real. Not just a logo imprinted by some cheating manufacturer. Is there a centralised database to search by product name or model about the validity of the marking, or should I go straight to the manufacturer and request from them the proof (seriously?) If the latter is the case then what's the usability of this certification? Thanks
Hello Andres, Thank you for your comments.
There is no central database of validated CE marked products. The manufacturer can provide you with a Declaration of Conformity, and that will provide you with information that allows you to check if the correct directives and standards apply. There may also be a third party test lab or certification body involved in the conformity assessment, and if so, you can check with them.
For a lot of products, no third party intervention is required. In such case, you cannot rely on the assessment of an independent body. You will need to know about the requirements and then you can check yourself if they were applied correctly. By the way, the manufacturer is responsible for the compliance of his/her product even after they have placed it in the market, and the market surveillance bodies can check and if they find the product not to be compliant there is a range of measures they can take, including fining, prohibition of sales, withdrawal and recall. This provides an incentive for the manufacture to ensure compliance. Also, not only the manufacturer has responsibility to ensure compliance, also the importer has this responsibility. Distributors als must check the compliance and if they doubt, inform the authorities.
CE marking simply works in a different way. It is not a traditional certification. The government is not involved in approving products in the market. Also approval is not left to one organisation that sets standards and certifies 9such as UL). Surely the system has its disadvantages, but the great advantage is that CE marking is less costly and time consuming. Many researches have shown that products in the market are not more unsafe than when there is pre-market control. There are not more incidents with products. There are even less. This while having the advantage that market introduction is less costly and time consuming.
In Denmark the ce mark is on all firework products....
Great video
Great video , thank you , hello from United States
Why is the C E marking on products sold in America?
If a device like IPL ( intentesce pulsed light) comes in from China do customs have to check conformity certification,
Hi Ian, I assume you mean it is purchased directly from a Chinese manufacturer? Yes, these products require CE marking and the person who imports it into the EU is responsible for CE compliance.
Would or should the certification be shown to customs before the device is let in to the UK,
You said CE certified products are moving freely in European countries. What is its important in Asian countries... It's like FDA or not
Thanks a lot!
You are welcome, Valijon!
Thank you @TheMothernson
What is does CE certification / CE marking cost? See this article: cemarking.net/what-are-the-costs-of-ce-certification/
Talking about standards, why do i have to pay to get the documents (pdf) ? Thats not motivating me to even try to follow the rules...
The standards should be made public, just as trafic rules are. Do you really think that the Chinese guys are going to pay to get the documents ??? ..... This results like what is happening now, massive export (most even counterfeit) with CE on it. That Europe 'forgot' to register the CE logo is just a big joke, unbelievablle but true
Dear Johan,
The reason is the organisational and financial model behind European standardisation.
Standards are consensus documents developed by manufacturers, consumers and state representatives and other stakeholders together. The work is coordinated/facilitated by standards bodies (such as BSi, DIN, AFNOR etc on the national level, and CEN, CENELEC and ETSI on the European level.
European standardisation (as well as standardisation in the EU Member Sates for that matter) is not a state function: it is an activity coordinated by private and independent bodies. These private bodies receive some contribution from Member States and the EU, but that contribution does not cover all the costs. The sales of standards is an important part of the financial model. If standardisation would not be financed through license fees, and would be financed purely by state contribution, it would lead to two things:
1. the taxes would have to be raised (for everyone, not just those that are benefitting from using the standards);
2. the governments would have a strong control over standardisation, and could influence the content of standards through the financial contribution.
Yes, standards cost money. Sometimes a lot. But those companies that apply standards, get great benefits from them: easier market access, easier way to comply with regulations, a consensus with suppliers and customers about the technology.
Maybe good to note: in order to obtain the right to affix the CE marking, companies need to comply with European Directives and/or regulations. These documents are free of charge and widely available. CE Directives will refer to lists of standards that you may use in the conformity assessment of a product against the requirements of the directives and/or regulations. However, the use of standards is not obligatory! So f you do not want to use standards, you don't have to.
The company I used to work for got sold a batch of Castles EPOS card readers some years ago. I was able to prove that they were not to be used and could be dangerous by showing that the CE logo that had been used did not conform to the required standard.
I was ignored for some months until units started to come back to us with blown batteries and poor communication via GSM. It is important when dealing with anything from China to ensure that the CE logo is correct.
I'm rather supprised that you did not show the simple method of seeing if the logo is correct or not. i.e. The C forms a circle which intersects with the left hand edge of the E. If it does not then demand to see the certification for the device before buying and do not be duped by a self certification document as was tried on us.
God bless you
That depends. If it is a product that is covered by the CE marking regulations, in that case no. VDE is marking from the German organisation VDE.
Thank you!