Elon Musk Wants WHAT for SpaceX Starship IFT - 4 and IFT - 5 Launch
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The Starship system is a fully reusable, two‑stage‑to‑orbit super heavy‑lift launch vehicle under development by SpaceX. The system is composed of a booster stage named Super Heavy and a second stage, also called "Starship"
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I have to agree with you. I was sure that SpaceX wouldn't risk landing attempt before tower 2 goes online, even if not fully armed.
The tower in florida seems pretty much done. I wonder if they will send a couple of ships / boosters there when the new factory is running. I imagine they'd want to test that tower asap
I think they might secretly want to destroy the pad so they can rebuild it right just like they did with flight one
Risk is too high to land at the tower. The reward of having a flight proven booster on hand to study - well it’s not enough reward to risk the infrastructure in my opinion.
I would say. They should do 2-5 successfully simulated landings. To lower the probability of luck and to learn from different atmosphere scenarios. Overall reusable boosters aren’t needed till its operational and fully developed. Which would probably take around atleast 6 more flights
instead of risking the launch pad, they should rather build a separate tower dedicated to catching the boosters.
They are building out Tower 2 at Starbase, but it will take months before that's capable of catching a ship or booster.
A great update as usual,thank you very much for all the hard work making these excellent videos.
Meh liftoff is pretty close to as violent as a rud would be. They will also likely perform a maneuver similar to falcon where it will come in on a trajectory to miss the tower and correct during the landing burn.
Elon always give the best case scenario but planned vs actual is almost always different. Pretty sure they have backup plans and backup to the backup plan if things go awry, including risks to the chopstick tower. No risk no reward.
Just a few tips. The Landing burn is done with the Header Tanks, not the main tanks. The main tanks on Super Heavy are used for the Launch Burn and the Boost Back Burn. That's it. After then, the tanks are kept pressirized to make the rocket nice and strong.
That's what failed in flight 3. The header tanks didn't inject enough propellent or oxygen or both into the 13 engines
He is building a "catch tower" right now, which means that it will have the tower and the arms and nothing else most probably. So, if something goes wrong, there will be no launch table, propellent farm or anything else to be destroyed. And the tower is pretty sturdy while the arms will be up away from the explosion. So, provided that they do this in the mentioned "catch tower", I see no problem.
Logic says , even if ift4 succeeds , continue checking accuracy in water landings until 2nd tower is ready for the catch, destroying tower1 and olm1 is not worth it.
Wil .... If Booster 11 does make a successful soft propulsive landing in the Gulf of Mexico, it is quick possible for the booster to be recovered by the recovery ship 'BOB,pulled back into Port of Brownsville or Port Canaveral for evaluation and refurbishment
I still think they need a legged hopper with catch pins to give the catcher folks / software on mechazilla some practice.
I’m pretty sure that the virtual landing will have go perfectly before they will attempt a landing on the chopsticks. I just wish the booster engineers had access to some engineers who have landed hundreds of rockets. The exchange of information would be incredible. Too bad they don’t /s
They should build another isolated tower a few miles away thats completely expendable and attempt the catch on flight 6 or 7 giving them enough time to build it
They need the Landing legs.
I trust Elon and crew to make this decision.
A separate landing site, far from the takeoff site.
I really hope so, The problem is that they don't have the infrastructure for that. No large flat areas built for landing a rocket.
Maybe they should put a tower on a water platform (with counter balance below). Not sure if that is possible, however, at least they would avoid blowing up star base. They would also avoid lawsuits from the environmentalist and further delays.
I think Gwen will insist on two successful virtual landings first. Then the first successful landing will not be reflown - will be an engineering tear down for lessons learned!
I agree with you Wil. Too risky! Elon is very optimistic, but he is extremely capable and rich....who knows! It will be a true spectacle to see what you describe and what the video shows. Well let see what comes out of this. Thank you Wil 👍👏
Well said!
I seriously doubt that on IFT4 they will “land” succesfully on the virtual tower. The lack of attitude control, the lack of a relight, the tile performance, the Booster control, the failure of re lighting the engines.
I rememeber when Elon was concerned that he would lose 28 engines
On just one launch. “Thats a lot of engines..” he said.
Now, its no big deal to lose 33+6 engines per launch. Everybody cheers, the celebrate, they congratulate themselves. It seems that the old plan was not to fail and now, failure is expected, cheered and celebrated. I am not sure there is an outcome that they would consider a failure.
"...Fail Faster...". If you set your expectations high you are more likely to fail. If you are using all available knowledge and it is all accurately reflecting reality, you will not fail. Otherwise you will find out something to improve future results.
This is all new, but are you a rocket scientist? I'm fairly sure that the SpaceX engineers know what they are doing, they are developing the systems at their pace, and I'm fairly sure that they have taken all potential scenarios into account. They will also be very keen to avoid getting the over-regulatory FAA involved any more than absolutely necessary. Remember, he who dares wins!
Elon is the PT Barnum of today. Great ideas, great work, highly intelligent but full of hype! Elon wants to bring people with him and he is doing great, and in his mind he can do this stuff but fortunately Gwynn Shotwell is there to keep him on a leash. Basically say what you want to Elon but Shotwell and Kathy Lueders make the decisions at StarBase.
It’s all speculation right now but you’re saying they shouldn’t based on current information , Elon is saying maybe if 4 is perfect they will try I think 6 will be the catch. If 4 is perfect
I hope we see them try on 5. But 6 would be great as well.
booster does not flip
Elon's view, nothing ventured, nothing gained.