When that prototype is done, set it onto a shake table for a week of various shake patterns and report on how well it survived a simulated five years on the roads.
@@LessJunkMoreJourney Shake & Bake always bring out unknown work items at their completion. Why not use those tools here. Better to find it then, than down the road..... If it is good enough for the military and NASA, why not here too.
Absolutely! Going East into Arizona on I40 i know my 5th wheel was airborne over those holes because my F250 was yelling "Jordan" on every bounce! @turnbullstravels735
One problem will be is finding the perfect spot to open it up. Some spots you can't open it because of trees in the way. A toy hauler is better because the space your are in most likely has extra space length wise more than with wise.
@@barbaralaux9842 it depends, we've been in many state park campgrounds where there are trees immediately behind the drive and so a back deck wouldn't work but the area next to the drive is often open for stair and awning space. Just spitballing but I'd say it's 80/20 space to the side versus back for places we've stayed.
Overall I love the rig. I haven’t read all the comments so maybe this has been answered, but our biggest problem in our Solitude 377 is that the 3300 pound (going from memory) payload is just not enough. I’d love to see at least a 4k payload and if you need three axles to make that happen it wouldn’t bother me in the least. We’ve been full time for over five years and have never used the bedroom TV. If there was an option to buy without that set I’d take it. Similarly, we prefer sleeping in a cold bedroom so we would not want the bedroom fireplace. If it was possible to buy the rig with that space filled instead with more drawers we’d be in heaven. As I said, all in all I love what you’ve done. Nice work!
I love your design. Love the floor plan. Nice dishwasher. Never saw anything like that before. Love the windows and the patio great size of patio. You will be on the patio more than inside the house. Lol! It’s very very nice. I love it. Can’t wait until it’s fully finished. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and hope you have a great week and safe travels.
Definitely need a roll down door to secure the outside kitchen area or you will be missing items in the morning and protect from the elements! Stay with 2 axles (beefed up), use dual hubs (4 tires on each side similar to Spacecraft) Patio have legs for long term stabilization and support, not just the cables. The brown flooring is a much warmer environment with the interior accents. The area dedicated for the children's area is brilliant! I vote for the televator in the bedroom. Very innovative design...imaginative for a towable! 👍
We have that dishwasher!!! We redesigned our entire kitchen a year ago and put this dishwasher/sink in. You'd be surprised how well it does on the 20-minute cycle. Regarding the deck, I suggest having the stairs on the side, as you more than likely won't find a campground with enough room for the front stairs. A soundbar is all one needs-Bose preferable,y! We have never used the ceiling speakers and hardly ever use the outside ones. If we need music outside, we use a portable speaker as it really comes down to the campground layout and where the we sit. Go three axles!!! That rear tray is HEAVY and will be even heavier once loaded!
You guys have nailed it!!! The side patio is a YES! Perfect for keeping clean when you have dogs and kids. The dishwasher, omg! Mind blown! 🤯 The kids room is perfect!! Can’t wait to see more when your unit is in your hands! And when can we sign for our own unit!?!
So happy for you guys. You deserve it. Nice to see a manufacturer work with families that use RV's as their home, hats off to Grande Design. Take care.👍👍
NO! Nathan please don't get rid of the speakers! 😂 they should blend with the ceiling, however. Ours are white. Hubby's into SURROUND SOUND. I love the WINDA'S😂, (I'm told when traveling out of Ohio that i have an accent, so i absolutely connect with Marissa!❤), BROWN flooring, the dishwasher, and the LOVELY DECK!! TELEVATOR gets my vote. ALL of the innovations!❤ I'd LOVE projector to be able to sit on the deck to watch! We had a cheapy to try & i liked watching TV outside. What a dream come true to design your own RV & make changes with prototype! We're new followers but have caught up some. We enjoy your content, thank you!
A built in track in the ceiling in the kids room for a sliding yet tie back curtain for privacy. Curving arm wall mounted lights for each bed in kids room too. Little light stripes with dimmers for each set of steps for safety. Central vacuum and designated spot for hose. On deck railings eliminate the space between the bottom and the floor so little toys don’t fall through. ( Lots of lost legos with a gap)
Love the side deck with in the kitchen area, absolutely brilliant! We have a toy hauler with the rear deck and love it but that side deck is so much better!
Would like to see a pocket door or barn door in master. And I like the projector idea for bedroom! Love love love the bathroom! And shower curtain idea! Much better! Would love to see just chairs around dining table instead of a booth on the one side. That seemed to be clunky. Agree with the no speakers in ceiling! A good sound bar is perfect! The brown is warmer! Feels great! You have so much natural light already! And it matches much better with your decor. Excited for y’all! Looks beautiful!
As a former 378 solitude owner I love everything about this unit. I hope grand design is dealing with the frame issues and can recover from the bad press.
I love everything about it. I hope Grand design starts offering this model for others to buy. I need to sleep too many kids for this model but maybe they can use some of those features somewhere else. Oh and the brown floors works better. Good job guys 😊🤗
Same! I have 5 children. Could the “L” couch sleep 3-4 teenagers? Keeping the bedroom in back for smaller children/babies? Can the booth workspace in bedroom fold down into another bed? We hate lofts as the kids outgrow them. But love the separate bedroom/bathroom space
Its fabulous guys. i love the brown floor over the grey as everything looks more cosy, the hamper with access both sides is a great idea, and the bath my favorite feature, Did i miss JJs bed, i need to check the video again. My dad always said to me all the heat escapes thru the windows so will heat retaining be an issue. Bet you cant wait to BBQ on the patio. please can i came, Love and hugs to you all and special hugs to hensley as i loved her talking at the end x x x
Thank you so much!! While heat does escape through the windows, we don't tend to stay where the extremes are... we're looking at what most traveling full time families do - chase 75 😊
I have seen some side and rear deck patios that come w/optional (added cost) zip on screen/clear plastic enclosures to mitigate bugs/wind when necessary. The sides "walls" attach to the outside edges of the awning, not certain how they attach at the deck floor edges, but would certainly be an option *I* would consider on my own rig, as I have a fairly strong aversion to uninvited insects sharing my living space. I like the warmer floors and would definitely vote for 3 axles, and I'd want them to be beefy at that. Also think leveling legs of some sort for the side patio would be a good idea, I could definitely see some slight sag at the center seam of the deck, adding stairs there will accentuate center sag. Be sure to get a max weight allowable for that deck, also, Marissa mentioned it being used for entertaining multiple guests and as it currently only being held up by cables on each end (and showing slight sag in the center w/just a bit of weight on it). Like a lot of folks, not keen on the dishwasher. Every home I've lived in for the past 30 years has had one and I very rarely use it, but then I live alone and rarely entertain, so doing an entire day's worth of dishes before I go to bed only takes a few minutes. Love the huge slide out storage tray under the bunkhouse and macerating toilets are the way to go, IMO, much easier to keep black tanks clean. Overall, it's a very, very nice and very versatile unit. I've really only considered toy haulers that I could after-market customize to my needs, but this floor plan and it's amenities pretty much checks off all the "must have" boxes on my list. If I wasn't dead set on garaging a Miata on travel days for run around use when set up, I'd really consider this unit as another option. I will be traveling with a companion (most likely my sister), so 2 bedrooms and 2 baths is necessary, but could consider a non-garage solution with my companion driving the Miata on travel days rather than hauling it in the trailer.
I love the idea of the lifted bed in the loft, and to make it “disappear” during the day time, get a curtain rod the length of that bed to hang along the wall above the bed/slide and use valances to cover the bed/mattress part. It frames the slide/window nicely and the valances will hide the bed when it’s in the lifted position
Wow, ya'll could nearly play tennis on the size of that patio. Seriously though, one of the things I like doing is figuring out mods for my 26' RV. It's amazing the creative things you can come up with to solve problems.
#team3axles...I think it's a given. I'm thinking the pin weight alone puts this into 1-ton dually territory and guessing it's over 16K dry - that side patio and sliding glass door has to be heavy - super awesome, but heavy! Kick it up to (3) 7K axles and you'll probably never worry about cargo capacity.
Brown flooring definitely. The bunk bed is awesome but make sure the controls are housed in some way that they can't be accidentally bumped. That could be a danger to a sleeping child if it closed when they were on it.
Ok, the outside deck is awesome!! (Need an awning over the deck!!!)That would be a huge gathering place for us as well! Couple of thoughts: Love the idea of the televator in the bedroom...keep the window big! Bathtub...you need a way to switch the drain so that the tub water can go directly out to the sewer hose...you'll fill your bathroom gray tank quickly with a couple of tubs of water! TV area...looks like you've got room for a small cabinet something or other under the tv? be great for dvd storage etc. I absolutely love what you're planning with this rig! Betting this comes in right around 20K weight wise and because of that, 3 axels would be needed. Since you're already going through all of this, do the right thing and get upgraded suspension, like shocks or the Lippert Airbags and put on disk brakes.
Triple axle hands down...anti loc k braking....new hitch type that reduces shocks by 50 %...and make it a ball hitch more room in truck bed... Luke BTBR has.....make sure alll opening in both have been sprayed foam with steel mesh....make sure all pipe fitting have brass fittings
I prefer the tan flooring, it looks warm and flows well with the wall trim. I love the overall layout and design, the side patio and outside storage knocks it out of the park! Not a fan of the dishwasher taking up the sink space. A televator is a great idea for the bedroom. Its really a beautiful RV!
Thank you for the feedback - do you think GD should install it and come with the camper or do you think leaving space for an after market option is better?
Brown for sure for the flooring. I’m undecided on the dishwasher. I think I’d rather have the larger sink or if you keep the dishwasher, maybe create the top to blend with the counter tops? I’m torn on it. lol Love the projector idea in the master bedroom, big tv’s make the space feel so much smaller. Love the separation of rooms, living has its own defined space. And yes on the three axles. Ok that’s all I got for now.
Love the brown floor. Only negative I have heard about the toilet in the kids room is that it is not efficient on water. I’ve heard it uses about a gallon a flush so could be a negative if you want to boondock a lot.
The fireplace/desk should have a pop up…face? Basically , the top is hinged from the back. The TV/monitor is mounted to the underside of the table top and is revealed when you open/lift the table top. There’s enough space underneath to store your laptop, etc so everything’s easy to use and store when done. The front face will also need to hinge down so the “desktop” (the bottom of the cavity/box) is level. It’ll be nice though because the desktop will expand by the box’s depth. For example, if the table top is 20” deep and hidden box 8” deep, the desktop would become 28” when opened. Pretty great if I don’t say so myself!
I think triple axels are the way to go especially with everything going on inside! The first thing I noticed when it was getting towed outside was the axels. I thought, only two axels? Safer also. When wanting to have just what you want on the trailer, yes you will most likely need a bigger truck. It all goes hand in hand! It’s looking really good! 👍 you are going to love it! What a great experience to have the opportunity! 💗
With all of that storage in the rear, I would go to triple axles. I like the warmer brown tone flooring. Question though - pantry? I'm not sure I could give up my pantry space, but I guess since you were in the Lineage, you got used to not having a big one.
Thank you for the feedback, I think we're leaning that way too. There still is so much storage in this kitchen, it's just laid out different than our current
Congrats on the new design. I'm guessing by now you probably have your actual unit by now. We have a GD Solitude 390RK-R with the long MorRyde tray in the rear basement as well. We also keep our Lectric 3.0 e-bikes in the tray. We found that the weight of the bikes caused the bottom of the tray to bow down and then one of the bottom cross braces would catch the bottom edge of the door opening. When we had our coach at MorRyde to install the IS suspension I had them look at it and they put 1/2 inch spacers under the tray and that remedied the situation. So you might want to check your clearance underneath that tray.
Awesome. You have definitely come up with a great design. I do want to see that deck as close to a mountain edge as possible so it looks like you step out into the air. ❤❤❤❤
Nathan… big suggestion you won’t regret. The rear toilet, I get it and like it BUT…. In the storage area you have to make them add an access panel to get to the bottom of the toilet and the clean out etc. I had a Class A with a similar design and it’s easy to clog and needs to be worked out but impossible to get to. I had to have my 6 year old attempt to get to it. You’ll be fine but you need an access so you can lay on that tray and work on the plumbing inside the floor.
I can’t wait to see your final home. Definitely like the brown floor better and love the patio! I did notice and wonder what will cover the windows in JJ’s bed?
I like the bedroom TV flip down from the ceiling idea. Would like a narrow nightstand,but wider than the board they call a nightstand on each side of the bed. Don't like skylight area always in the shower area, would see if could just have some type of light that could be turned on & off. Love, love live the balcony on the side & not back!! Like the brown floors rather than the gray. Would rather have a flat area where the tvs are, easier to keep clean than slats. Love the happy jack bunk bed system in the bunkroom. No dishwasher for me, very nice but prefer the sink room. With these changes I told my husband this is so close to my dream rv that I am so excited for ya'll. We have a 2017 Grand Design Reflection that we love. But I would like a bunkroom since we have our 2 grandsons ( now 5 years old & 1 year old ) about 75% of the time. So congratulations & i can't wait to continue catching ya'll on your journey. P. S. I have watched ya'll almost since you first began.
Decks are awesome… we have a 12ft one on our XLR thunderbolt 422Amp but your kitchen outdoor 😮😮😮 omg I’m so jealous. A door on the back side of the rv is something that we have on ours and you don’t see it often but it’s very convenient.
I can see the deck for a family with small children. However, maybe I’m old fashioned, but I’d rather sit in the grass around a campfire. The deck is one more BIG thing to hassle with, especially when it eventually malfunctions. Good luck……hope you enjoy it!
I definitely vote for three axels and the brown floor over the gray. I like that the kids will have their own bedroom/playroom/homeschool room with plenty of space to sit up in bed. Regarding the TV in the master, I've seen lots of people have it flip down from the ceiling and it's easier to view from bed whether you're sitting or laying. But I wouldn't want it right on top of me like option four. The outside kitchen and RV deck look fantastic. I see it has an awning over it. Have you made sure you can still stand on the deck with the awning out?
Overall, I like the floorplan but there are a couple of dislikes. There isn't enough counterspace around the sink. An under counter dishwasher would provide more counter on top. There isn't a backsplash along the counter edge where the couch is to prevent potential spills that could go over the counter onto the back of the couch. There needs to be a short vertical backsplash all along that counter edge. What is the purpose of the trim under the cabinet at the end of the counter? Looks like food or liquids could go under the opening and be difficult to remove. Just make it a normal connection. Next, not having a food pantry would be a deal breaker for me. A good size pantry is a necessity for a family in a rig this size, and for resale. Go for the warmth of the brown floor. The gray looks too cold and sterile. It's exciting y'all are able to participate in the creation of your RV. So cool! Looking forward to seeing the final reveal.
Great design! I vote for the brown flooring! But I don’t like the sink dishwasher at all! I think the drawer dishwasher is a much better & roomier option!
I am loving this model! I have a 397. I do not use the overhead speakers. I bought the Roku cordless speakers for behind my couch as it was hard to hear the TV with the AC running. I agree that the glass shower doors are such a pain for upkeep. I like the idea of the televator in the bedroom, but you could never really have anything on the dresser. I know you said the drop down was choice 4, but I like that idea. I also like the idea of the 3rd axle, especially with all the storage in the bunk room and underneath. It would be really easy to overload it with just 2 axles. Finally, the side patio is the BOMB! I love the sliders and all the light! Won’t be able to make the meet up as we have reservations in the Keys at that time. 😢 Will the prototype (and you guys) be at the Tampa show? Would love to check it out (and see you all) in person!
You have created quite a nice build. Regarding the speakers: why could there not be a choice left in the rig - ceiling speakers and a sound bar? Sure a little more money to supply both, but with a switch quickly you could have ceiling speakers one day and the sound bar the next. You seem to have created quite a bit of storage inside and out. Like the hamper idea.
Patio is amazing! I’m with Nathan on the sound bar. Love the brown couch with the brown floor. The dishwasher is genius! You will still have a small taco bar. 😂 I hope we get to see your trial in it. I’m curious about the fridge and having room to open it while you are in front of it.
This looks AMAZING! The only thing that worries me is that electric bunk ... does it have a safety feature that will stop it from rising up if a kid is on it?
Add lighting under the drop down bed. Love the brown floors for warmth. Like the projector and window shade idea in the master. I have an idea for kids rooms for older kids who don't want to share rooms! Any chance Grand Design would be interested?
For every rig iver 40' a third axle takes so much strain off those rear tires. Look at the leverage the rear section is putting on that rear axle. Now double it when you fill up all that storage and rear bunk house. I see multiple blowouts happening here.
What about heated floors, we love a warm floor in our Tiffin and you will find it heats the place up in the winter. You can control the floors in different areas.
It’s beautiful! I feel like the dishwasher is too tiny to justify the space it takes up. I’d rather just wash the dishes and put them away right then and there and have the extra counter space in return. This is so exciting for you guys!
In my home I have a countertop dishwasher, that looks like it is about the same capacity as the built in you showed. We use it a lot and it is amazing how much you can get into it. My pain point in doing dishes is silverware. I would really go with the dishwasher.
I’m assuming the patio door is automotive safety glass? When I saw the stairs next to the glass doors I freaked 😱 out a bit. Might need to lower the mirror/ cabinet in the kids bathroom. Beautiful decor you’ve selected!
The Coachmen Catalina Legacy RKP has a patio (RK being rear kitchen), manufactured in 2019-2020. That one was my favorite just because of the patio. I had thought if I ever did live in an RV that would be the one I wanted
The brown is so nice. Keep that. The cargo room is Mind blowing! WOW. We are just the two of us and not full time. We like our little Autumn Ridge but we know cargo space is a necessity for all of us. Great video. Thank you.
Some awesome innovations going on. LOVE the rear slide- out storage. I also prefer glass doors in the shower. Yes, kind of a pain to keep clean, but all our previous campers that had shower curtains ALWAYS leaked water on the floor no matter what I was trying to make it not happen. That being said, I've never understood why they always place the tracks on the lip of the shower tub where failed sealant can also cause future water damage and leaking? Why not design square lips all around the shower like picture frames and butt the doors on the inside of the enclosure against this lip-frame where ALL water then goes inside the shower enclosure instead of over the lip. This could also eliminate the need for solid tracks with tiny drainage outlets in favor of larger drainage outlets meaning less icky gunk buildup in those tracks. I'd draw an example here, but there's no way to offer that in comments. And now I've probably spurred on my good idea for their engineers to work on. 😅
Brown flooring looks so much warmer. ❤
Agreed! Especially with the rest being in warmer tones
When that prototype is done, set it onto a shake table for a week of various shake patterns and report on how well it survived a simulated five years on the roads.
hahah that's an interesting idea!
@@LessJunkMoreJourney Shake & Bake always bring out unknown work items at their completion. Why not use those tools here. Better to find it then, than down the road..... If it is good enough for the military and NASA, why not here too.
@@gregoryfaith4303Like it…you can call it I40/I10. 😂
Love it ! I love our side patio on our alliance .
Absolutely! Going East into Arizona on I40 i know my 5th wheel was airborne over those holes because my F250 was yelling "Jordan" on every bounce! @turnbullstravels735
WOWSERS! THAT DECK AREA IS EPIC! Cant wait to see the final product!
Thank you! Can't wait to share it!
yeah, Brown on the floor for sure!.....Super nice you guy's!
Thank you! We're so excited to share this!
That side deck is BRILLIANT! It completely hides the outside kitchen!!! 😮
When closed up, yes. 😊
One problem will be is finding the perfect spot to open it up. Some spots you can't open it because of trees in the way. A toy hauler is better because the space your are in most likely has extra space length wise more than with wise.
@@barbaralaux9842 it depends, we've been in many state park campgrounds where there are trees immediately behind the drive and so a back deck wouldn't work but the area next to the drive is often open for stair and awning space. Just spitballing but I'd say it's 80/20 space to the side versus back for places we've stayed.
Overall I love the rig. I haven’t read all the comments so maybe this has been answered, but our biggest problem in our Solitude 377 is that the 3300 pound (going from memory) payload is just not enough. I’d love to see at least a 4k payload and if you need three axles to make that happen it wouldn’t bother me in the least.
We’ve been full time for over five years and have never used the bedroom TV. If there was an option to buy without that set I’d take it. Similarly, we prefer sleeping in a cold bedroom so we would not want the bedroom fireplace. If it was possible to buy the rig with that space filled instead with more drawers we’d be in heaven.
As I said, all in all I love what you’ve done. Nice work!
I love your design. Love the floor plan. Nice dishwasher. Never saw anything like that before. Love the windows and the patio great size of patio. You will be on the patio more than inside the house. Lol! It’s very very nice. I love it. Can’t wait until it’s fully finished. Hope you had a great Thanksgiving and hope you have a great week and safe travels.
Thank you! We had a wonderful thanksgiving with family. Hope you had a great one too and can't wait to share more!
Definitely need a roll down door to secure the outside kitchen area or you will be missing items in the morning and protect from the elements! Stay with 2 axles (beefed up), use dual hubs (4 tires on each side similar to Spacecraft) Patio have legs for long term stabilization and support, not just the cables. The brown flooring is a much warmer environment with the interior accents. The area dedicated for the children's area is brilliant! I vote for the televator in the bedroom. Very innovative design...imaginative for a towable! 👍
We have that dishwasher!!! We redesigned our entire kitchen a year ago and put this dishwasher/sink in. You'd be surprised how well it does on the 20-minute cycle.
Regarding the deck, I suggest having the stairs on the side, as you more than likely won't find a campground with enough room for the front stairs.
A soundbar is all one needs-Bose preferable,y! We have never used the ceiling speakers and hardly ever use the outside ones. If we need music outside, we use a portable speaker as it really comes down to the campground layout and where the we sit.
Go three axles!!! That rear tray is HEAVY and will be even heavier once loaded!
Thanks for the tips, all really helpful! And a third axle will be coming!
You guys have nailed it!!! The side patio is a YES! Perfect for keeping clean when you have dogs and kids. The dishwasher, omg! Mind blown! 🤯
The kids room is perfect!!
Can’t wait to see more when your unit is in your hands! And when can we sign for our own unit!?!
@lessjunkmorejourney remind us what they length of this new one is please!?
I love the concept of the rv. That deck is going to be awesome. Party at your house.
-Ricky
So happy for you guys. You deserve it. Nice to see a manufacturer work with families that use RV's as their home, hats off to Grande Design. Take care.👍👍
NO! Nathan please don't get rid of the speakers! 😂 they should blend with the ceiling, however. Ours are white. Hubby's into SURROUND SOUND. I love the WINDA'S😂, (I'm told when traveling out of Ohio that i have an accent, so i absolutely connect with Marissa!❤), BROWN flooring, the dishwasher, and the LOVELY DECK!! TELEVATOR gets my vote. ALL of the innovations!❤ I'd LOVE projector to be able to sit on the deck to watch! We had a cheapy to try & i liked watching TV outside. What a dream come true to design your own RV & make changes with prototype! We're new followers but have caught up some. We enjoy your content, thank you!
Great feedback, thank you! I'll pass this along to Nathan
A built in track in the ceiling in the kids room for a sliding yet tie back curtain for privacy. Curving arm wall mounted lights for each bed in kids room too. Little light stripes with dimmers for each set of steps for safety. Central vacuum and designated spot for hose. On deck railings eliminate the space between the bottom and the floor so little toys don’t fall through. ( Lots of lost legos with a gap)
Wow! Great feedback!! Thank you!!
@ I’ve been a subscriber since back when you guys started keep up the great work!
Thank you! Thank you for being along with us for this journey
At least you have the big patio door for when Marissa wants that new couch
Yes!!! 😂😂😂
I was wondering about the orange couch
A shower curtain is great -- easy to replace when you either don't want to clean it or you want a whole new decor.
Love the side deck with in the kitchen area, absolutely brilliant! We have a toy hauler with the rear deck and love it but that side deck is so much better!
A deck was a must for us! They are just so amazing!
The Brown tone flooring looks best. In my opinion!
Agreed - keeps it warm
My wife and I agree about grey never wanted
I love the patio with outside kitchen. What a great floorplan! I'm excited for y'all! And yes go with the 3 axles.
Thanks for the encouragement, we’re leaning that way too!
Would like to see a pocket door or barn door in master. And I like the projector idea for bedroom!
Love love love the bathroom! And shower curtain idea! Much better!
Would love to see just chairs around dining table instead of a booth on the one side. That seemed to be clunky.
Agree with the no speakers in ceiling! A good sound bar is perfect!
The brown is warmer! Feels great! You have so much natural light already! And it matches much better with your decor.
Excited for y’all! Looks beautiful!
Except the Chairs. We have 4 chairs in our Cedar Creek and would prefer twi benches with storage under them.
We found the community torn - between benches, 1/2 bench 1/2 chairs or all chairs. We've always loved having one bench for storage
Also… YES 3 axels!!!!
Agreed!
Love what you are doing. I would definitely go with 3 axles. It will reduce your problems with weight and add to your tire safety.
As a former 378 solitude owner I love everything about this unit. I hope grand design is dealing with the frame issues and can recover from the bad press.
We love/loved ours too! Grateful GD has addressed their part of the frame issues going forward, hopefully other brands will as well.
Brown on the floor. It’s beautiful and thanks for helping to bring the RV industry forward for those of us who are full time.
Thanks, we're really excited about it! Especially as the feedback and ideas came FROM the full time world and those who have renovated their RVs
To me, depending on the weight, triple axle is the way to go. Such a cool rig for families!
Thanks, we agree! It's all about that CCC, and we're going to go for the triple axle! And so glad you are enjoying it too!
I love everything about it. I hope Grand design starts offering this model for others to buy. I need to sleep too many kids for this model but maybe they can use some of those features somewhere else. Oh and the brown floors works better. Good job guys 😊🤗
I hope so too! How many do you need to sleep? What would your dream layout look like?
Same! I have 5 children. Could the “L” couch sleep 3-4 teenagers? Keeping the bedroom in back for smaller children/babies? Can the booth workspace in bedroom fold down into another bed? We hate lofts as the kids outgrow them. But love the separate bedroom/bathroom space
wow what an amazing dream coming to reality! I LOOOOOVE the porch off the main living area rather than the back!
Thank you! Really makes it an extension of the living space - similar to the Momentum toy hauler with the side deck - but now on a solitude!
Awesome! So cool to see customer and manufacturer working together to build a custom product. Love it!
It was really cool to have this opportunity to collaborate!
Congrats!!!! I hope the 414LJMJ is their #1 seller! Can't wait to see the demo at an RV show.
Thank you!! We are really hoping it's ready for then
Brown for sure. Warmer and not going to go out of style.
Agreed! Warmth without being all dark brown everywhere
Its fabulous guys. i love the brown floor over the grey as everything looks more cosy, the hamper with access both sides is a great idea, and the bath my favorite feature, Did i miss JJs bed, i need to check the video again. My dad always said to me all the heat escapes thru the windows so will heat retaining be an issue. Bet you cant wait to BBQ on the patio. please can i came, Love and hugs to you all and special hugs to hensley as i loved her talking at the end x x x
Thank you so much!! While heat does escape through the windows, we don't tend to stay where the extremes are... we're looking at what most traveling full time families do - chase 75 😊
The Brown!! Gray is so dull and boring. Beautiful Rig! Love it.
Thank you! Agreed!
The brown flooring feels more cozy making it look more like a home.
I have seen some side and rear deck patios that come w/optional (added cost) zip on screen/clear plastic enclosures to mitigate bugs/wind when necessary. The sides "walls" attach to the outside edges of the awning, not certain how they attach at the deck floor edges, but would certainly be an option *I* would consider on my own rig, as I have a fairly strong aversion to uninvited insects sharing my living space.
I like the warmer floors and would definitely vote for 3 axles, and I'd want them to be beefy at that. Also think leveling legs of some sort for the side patio would be a good idea, I could definitely see some slight sag at the center seam of the deck, adding stairs there will accentuate center sag. Be sure to get a max weight allowable for that deck, also, Marissa mentioned it being used for entertaining multiple guests and as it currently only being held up by cables on each end (and showing slight sag in the center w/just a bit of weight on it). Like a lot of folks, not keen on the dishwasher. Every home I've lived in for the past 30 years has had one and I very rarely use it, but then I live alone and rarely entertain, so doing an entire day's worth of dishes before I go to bed only takes a few minutes. Love the huge slide out storage tray under the bunkhouse and macerating toilets are the way to go, IMO, much easier to keep black tanks clean.
Overall, it's a very, very nice and very versatile unit. I've really only considered toy haulers that I could after-market customize to my needs, but this floor plan and it's amenities pretty much checks off all the "must have" boxes on my list. If I wasn't dead set on garaging a Miata on travel days for run around use when set up, I'd really consider this unit as another option. I will be traveling with a companion (most likely my sister), so 2 bedrooms and 2 baths is necessary, but could consider a non-garage solution with my companion driving the Miata on travel days rather than hauling it in the trailer.
Thanks so much for the thoughtful feedback, we are so glad you like the space we have created!
I love the idea of the lifted bed in the loft, and to make it “disappear” during the day time, get a curtain rod the length of that bed to hang along the wall above the bed/slide and use valances to cover the bed/mattress part. It frames the slide/window nicely and the valances will hide the bed when it’s in the lifted position
Absolutely! Side deck on non toy hauler! Thank you!!!
Wow, ya'll could nearly play tennis on the size of that patio. Seriously though, one of the things I like doing is figuring out mods for my 26' RV. It's amazing the creative things you can come up with to solve problems.
#team3axles...I think it's a given. I'm thinking the pin weight alone puts this into 1-ton dually territory and guessing it's over 16K dry - that side patio and sliding glass door has to be heavy - super awesome, but heavy! Kick it up to (3) 7K axles and you'll probably never worry about cargo capacity.
Brown flooring definitely. The bunk bed is awesome but make sure the controls are housed in some way that they can't be accidentally bumped. That could be a danger to a sleeping child if it closed when they were on it.
It's similar to the lift system in a class A, with the keys being required to operate it - great safety measure with kids
Ok, the outside deck is awesome!! (Need an awning over the deck!!!)That would be a huge gathering place for us as well! Couple of thoughts: Love the idea of the televator in the bedroom...keep the window big! Bathtub...you need a way to switch the drain so that the tub water can go directly out to the sewer hose...you'll fill your bathroom gray tank quickly with a couple of tubs of water! TV area...looks like you've got room for a small cabinet something or other under the tv? be great for dvd storage etc. I absolutely love what you're planning with this rig! Betting this comes in right around 20K weight wise and because of that, 3 axels would be needed. Since you're already going through all of this, do the right thing and get upgraded suspension, like shocks or the Lippert Airbags and put on disk brakes.
Triple axle hands down...anti loc k braking....new hitch type that reduces shocks by 50 %...and make it a ball hitch more room in truck bed... Luke BTBR has.....make sure alll opening in both have been sprayed foam with steel mesh....make sure all pipe fitting have brass fittings
Thank you! Great feedback!
The brown looks the best with the rest of the decor.
Agreed! Just keeps it so warm
I prefer the tan flooring, it looks warm and flows well with the wall trim. I love the overall layout and design, the side patio and outside storage knocks it out of the park! Not a fan of the dishwasher taking up the sink space. A televator is a great idea for the bedroom. Its really a beautiful RV!
Thanks so much for the kind words, and we're glad you like the new design.
WOW!!😮❤ Absolutely spot on! We have never wanted a 5th wheel but this... maybe.
It’s definitely a game changer! Might get you in a fifth! 😍
We like the brown flooring goes so well with the wood tones
Completely agree!!
Marissa, you should be able to fit a couch through that door! 😂
Yes! So thankful for that 😂
Since, you have grand designs ear could you pass on to them that east west bed slides needs a spot for a CPAP machine. Love the prototype. Thank You.
I'll definitely pass that along to the team. Thank you!
The 2025 models have a flip around shelf for CPAP machines on the east west beds that comes out from under the bed.
Loving the RV and I think the brown floor is good brings a bit of warmth to it. ❤🇬🇧
Thank you!! Very much agree. And thank you for coming on this journey with us all the way from the UK!
Brown floor is lovely. Soundbar is a must!
Thank you for the feedback - do you think GD should install it and come with the camper or do you think leaving space for an after market option is better?
You could add a grab bar at your bathtub/shower. Lots of people get hurt slipping in the bathroom and it would not take up much space.
Great idea, and could always be a towel rack if not needed
Brown for sure for the flooring. I’m undecided on the dishwasher. I think I’d rather have the larger sink or if you keep the dishwasher, maybe create the top to blend with the counter tops? I’m torn on it. lol
Love the projector idea in the master bedroom, big tv’s make the space feel so much smaller. Love the separation of rooms, living has its own defined space. And yes on the three axles. Ok that’s all I got for now.
Agreed!
@@LessJunkMoreJourney sorry I edited my comment after I watched the whole thing. I need to be less impulsive!! 😊
Lots of great feedback in the edited comment :) Thank you!
Love the brown floor. Only negative I have heard about the toilet in the kids room is that it is not efficient on water. I’ve heard it uses about a gallon a flush so could be a negative if you want to boondock a lot.
Thanks for the heads up!
I absolutely love this whole idea. The main bathroom is gorgeous! I want this, but in a toy hauler
I can't believe no one has done this yet on a non toy hauler. And that outdoor kitchen. You guys are awesome. How heavy is that patio
Right?! So exciting to be the first!
I would suggest puck lights under JJ's bed for the booth. It is already wired for the up/down switch.💡
Great idea!! Thank you!
Definitely agree. It was dar under that bed and for an office or table, you will need light.
The fireplace/desk should have a pop up…face? Basically , the top is hinged from the back. The TV/monitor is mounted to the underside of the table top and is revealed when you open/lift the table top. There’s enough space underneath to store your laptop, etc so everything’s easy to use and store when done. The front face will also need to hinge down so the “desktop” (the bottom of the cavity/box) is level. It’ll be nice though because the desktop will expand by the box’s depth. For example, if the table top is 20” deep and hidden box 8” deep, the desktop would become 28” when opened. Pretty great if I don’t say so myself!
Oh interesting, so kind of like those living room tables that pops up in front of you to eat at?
Great new changes to this RV! The brown flooring looks better. Enjoy your RV when it's completely ready for you.🥰
I like the brown tones for your flooring. The new prototype is beautiful! Congratulations!
Thanks so much! We are so excited!
I think triple axels are the way to go especially with everything going on inside! The first thing I noticed when it was getting towed outside was the axels. I thought, only two axels? Safer also. When wanting to have just what you want on the trailer, yes you will most likely need a bigger truck. It all goes hand in hand! It’s looking really good! 👍 you are going to love it! What a great experience to have the opportunity! 💗
Thank you for your feedback, that's great! A bigger truck is likely needed, agreed
So cool! Love your innovations! With incinerator toilets you have no toilet pipes😉just a thought😊
Thank you! We hope we're getting as many as people want to see in a new design
With all of that storage in the rear, I would go to triple axles. I like the warmer brown tone flooring. Question though - pantry? I'm not sure I could give up my pantry space, but I guess since you were in the Lineage, you got used to not having a big one.
Thank you for the feedback, I think we're leaning that way too. There still is so much storage in this kitchen, it's just laid out different than our current
Congrats on the new design. I'm guessing by now you probably have your actual unit by now. We have a GD Solitude 390RK-R with the long MorRyde tray in the rear basement as well. We also keep our Lectric 3.0 e-bikes in the tray. We found that the weight of the bikes caused the bottom of the tray to bow down and then one of the bottom cross braces would catch the bottom edge of the door opening. When we had our coach at MorRyde to install the IS suspension I had them look at it and they put 1/2 inch spacers under the tray and that remedied the situation. So you might want to check your clearance underneath that tray.
Thank you! Great to know - and no, we don't have it yet! But excited for when it's ready - should have it by April, in time for our Huddle in Florida
CONGRATS YOUR NEW HOME IS BEAUTIFUL. GOD BLESS LOVE YOU
I like the grey floor, but it it’s super washed out. The brown is cozier, and will hide dirt better!
PS I want that hair organizer drawer!
Yeah - it would be great with a different color palate, but this one is warm and just doesn't go.
Awesome. You have definitely come up with a great design. I do want to see that deck as close to a mountain edge as possible so it looks like you step out into the air. ❤❤❤❤
We will try to get it up in the mountains soon so you can see! (and I can see!!! with a cup of coffee and a book in hand)
Keep the hitch on the back! We would want that for added storage if needed
We definitely won't be getting rid of it, just a bonus that we won't need it
Exciting!
Thank you, can't wait to share more!
Nathan… big suggestion you won’t regret. The rear toilet, I get it and like it BUT…. In the storage area you have to make them add an access panel to get to the bottom of the toilet and the clean out etc. I had a Class A with a similar design and it’s easy to clog and needs to be worked out but impossible to get to. I had to have my 6 year old attempt to get to it. You’ll be fine but you need an access so you can lay on that tray and work on the plumbing inside the floor.
That’s a great tip. We will pass that along to Nathan!
Have them test and use bed slides that can be slept in while closed. Both front and back.
This is amazing!! I wish everyone could design their own layouts! I can’t wait to see you guys and your new RV at the Tampa RV show!
That's what we're hoping for! We'll let you know what we're planning for Tampa. We're still working on it! So cross everything it's done in time!
@@RvTalkTv I wish that was a standard option... Custom rvs is the future!
I think you might be right, that would be amazing if they could figure it out
I can’t wait to see your final home. Definitely like the brown floor better and love the patio! I did notice and wonder what will cover the windows in JJ’s bed?
We will have roller blinds too. As a safety window, it can't be covered, it's the same as he has in his bed now
I like the bedroom TV flip down from the ceiling idea. Would like a narrow nightstand,but wider than the board they call a nightstand on each side of the bed. Don't like skylight area always in the shower area, would see if could just have some type of light that could be turned on & off. Love, love live the balcony on the side & not back!! Like the brown floors rather than the gray. Would rather have a flat area where the tvs are, easier to keep clean than slats. Love the happy jack bunk bed system in the bunkroom. No dishwasher for me, very nice but prefer the sink room. With these changes I told my husband this is so close to my dream rv that I am so excited for ya'll. We have a 2017 Grand Design Reflection that we love. But I would like a bunkroom since we have our 2 grandsons ( now 5 years old & 1 year old ) about 75% of the time. So congratulations & i can't wait to continue catching ya'll on your journey. P. S. I have watched ya'll almost since you first began.
Decks are awesome… we have a 12ft one on our XLR thunderbolt 422Amp but your kitchen outdoor 😮😮😮 omg I’m so jealous. A door on the back side of the rv is something that we have on ours and you don’t see it often but it’s very convenient.
We are so excited for it!
I can see the deck for a family with small children. However, maybe I’m old fashioned, but I’d rather sit in the grass around a campfire. The deck is one more BIG thing to hassle with, especially when it eventually malfunctions. Good luck……hope you enjoy it!
It’s great to have different ideas and perspectives, thanks for sharing!
I definitely vote for three axels and the brown floor over the gray. I like that the kids will have their own bedroom/playroom/homeschool room with plenty of space to sit up in bed. Regarding the TV in the master, I've seen lots of people have it flip down from the ceiling and it's easier to view from bed whether you're sitting or laying. But I wouldn't want it right on top of me like option four. The outside kitchen and RV deck look fantastic. I see it has an awning over it. Have you made sure you can still stand on the deck with the awning out?
With all the upgrades, look at handling and ride. Yes 3 axels and go the extra step with MoRide independent suspension axels with brakes.
I think it needs a third axel to help distribute the weight better.
Great feedback! I think that's what we'll likely do
Overall, I like the floorplan but there are a couple of dislikes. There isn't enough counterspace around the sink. An under counter dishwasher would provide more counter on top. There isn't a backsplash along the counter edge where the couch is to prevent potential spills that could go over the counter onto the back of the couch. There needs to be a short vertical backsplash all along that counter edge.
What is the purpose of the trim under the cabinet at the end of the counter? Looks like food or liquids could go under the opening and be difficult to remove. Just make it a normal connection.
Next, not having a food pantry would be a deal breaker for me. A good size pantry is a necessity for a family in a rig this size, and for resale.
Go for the warmth of the brown floor. The gray looks too cold and sterile.
It's exciting y'all are able to participate in the creation of your RV. So cool! Looking forward to seeing the final reveal.
Thank you! Such great feedback - we'll see what we can do
Hi family . Wonderful video. Really you are great, the proyet is stunning. Greetings from Argentina ❤❤❤
Thanks for watching! Maybe we'll get to visit Argentina someday! Thank you for the kind words
@LessJunkMoreJourney you are welcome dear family😃👍
Great design! I vote for the brown flooring! But I don’t like the sink dishwasher at all! I think the drawer dishwasher is a much better & roomier option!
Curious, so losing a cabinet is better or losing part of the sink? People seem to be torn on this
I am loving this model! I have a 397. I do not use the overhead speakers. I bought the Roku cordless speakers for behind my couch as it was hard to hear the TV with the AC running. I agree that the glass shower doors are such a pain for upkeep. I like the idea of the televator in the bedroom, but you could never really have anything on the dresser. I know you said the drop down was choice 4, but I like that idea. I also like the idea of the 3rd axle, especially with all the storage in the bunk room and underneath. It would be really easy to overload it with just 2 axles. Finally, the side patio is the BOMB! I love the sliders and all the light! Won’t be able to make the meet up as we have reservations in the Keys at that time. 😢 Will the prototype (and you guys) be at the Tampa show? Would love to check it out (and see you all) in person!
We will be at the Tampa show, but not sure just yet if the Proto will be there. Love all this feedback, so good to have before we finish the final one
You have created quite a nice build. Regarding the speakers: why could there not be a choice left in the rig - ceiling speakers and a sound bar? Sure a little more money to supply both, but with a switch quickly you could have ceiling speakers one day and the sound bar the next. You seem to have created quite a bit of storage inside and out. Like the hamper idea.
Thank you! Loving the feedback, I'll pass it on to Nathan
Patio is amazing! I’m with Nathan on the sound bar. Love the brown couch with the brown floor. The dishwasher is genius! You will still have a small taco bar. 😂 I hope we get to see your trial in it. I’m curious about the fridge and having room to open it while you are in front of it.
Thank you! We are so excited to keep sharing more details about this RV, especially once we are in it
@ I could have gone on about all the cool features! Just so many! Very exciting!
This looks AMAZING! The only thing that worries me is that electric bunk ... does it have a safety feature that will stop it from rising up if a kid is on it?
Yes, it's actually similar to those lift beds in a class A, that are operated only with the Key in. Great safety measure with kids.
I like the brown flooring.
Add lighting under the drop down bed. Love the brown floors for warmth. Like the projector and window shade idea in the master. I have an idea for kids rooms for older kids who don't want to share rooms! Any chance Grand Design would be interested?
Love the feedback! This is great! What is your suggestion for older kids not sharing rooms?
For every rig iver 40' a third axle takes so much strain off those rear tires. Look at the leverage the rear section is putting on that rear axle. Now double it when you fill up all that storage and rear bunk house. I see multiple blowouts happening here.
Agreed - I think we've already decided on that third axle for just those reason and increasing the CCC option
In your bedroom, have your TV mounted to your ceiling that folds down to be watched. Just an idea.
Interesting idea - do you think that would impact headspace using the dresser as a desk?
I like gray...but I think the brown would be better with the brown furniture and accent walls...really nice design..
What about heated floors, we love a warm floor in our Tiffin and you will find it heats the place up in the winter. You can control the floors in different areas.
Oh wow! That would be amazing!
It’s beautiful! I feel like the dishwasher is too tiny to justify the space it takes up. I’d rather just wash the dishes and put them away right then and there and have the extra counter space in return. This is so exciting for you guys!
True! I think Hensley will really like it though
In my home I have a countertop dishwasher, that looks like it is about the same capacity as the built in you showed. We use it a lot and it is amazing how much you can get into it. My pain point in doing dishes is silverware. I would really go with the dishwasher.
So much silverware during one day! Agreed!
@@LessJunkMoreJourneyGet that dishwasher!! Don’t compromise!
Do white speakers for the ceiling. See if they can do a Brown speaker bar.
Oh interesting idea on the brown soundbar - to blend in. Clever!
I’m assuming the patio door is automotive safety glass? When I saw the stairs next to the glass doors I freaked 😱 out a bit. Might need to lower the mirror/ cabinet in the kids bathroom. Beautiful decor you’ve selected!
It is rated for being towed down the road - wouldn't have anything less (similar to other models with patio doors and no deck to protect them)
@ having the deck to protect them is a great idea!
The Coachmen Catalina Legacy RKP has a patio (RK being rear kitchen), manufactured in 2019-2020. That one was my favorite just because of the patio. I had thought if I ever did live in an RV that would be the one I wanted
I had to look that one up - pretty need for a couples trailer!
Beautiful trailer
Thank you! Can't wait to share it in person soon enough!
Nice deck! The nerd in me would be more excited about upgraded suspension and anti-lock brakes.
Ooooh stay posted!
The brown is so nice. Keep that. The cargo room is Mind blowing! WOW. We are just the two of us and not full time. We like our little Autumn Ridge but we know cargo space is a necessity for all of us. Great video. Thank you.
That's pretty amazing. ❤
Thank you! We are so excited!
Looks beautiful your ideas are awesome
Thank you! We really hope this will change the industry options
Some awesome innovations going on. LOVE the rear slide- out storage. I also prefer glass doors in the shower. Yes, kind of a pain to keep clean, but all our previous campers that had shower curtains ALWAYS leaked water on the floor no matter what I was trying to make it not happen. That being said, I've never understood why they always place the tracks on the lip of the shower tub where failed sealant can also cause future water damage and leaking? Why not design square lips all around the shower like picture frames and butt the doors on the inside of the enclosure against this lip-frame where ALL water then goes inside the shower enclosure instead of over the lip. This could also eliminate the need for solid tracks with tiny drainage outlets in favor of larger drainage outlets meaning less icky gunk buildup in those tracks. I'd draw an example here, but there's no way to offer that in comments. And now I've probably spurred on my good idea for their engineers to work on. 😅