Is It Time to Come HOME? - The Future of World of Warcraft
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2023
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We were at Blizzcon when the insane announcement occured - revealing the new direction of WoW, its THREE new expansions and an ongoing story, The Worldsoul Saga. Is this a sign its time to come home?
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my man stop cutting ion during his talk with every question lol
Frankly they really need to put a lore compendium in game. I’ve been playing for two years, paying attention to story and lore the whole time, and I still regularly find myself having no clue what’s going on a lot of the time
Your only chance to get the hang of it is binging nobbel videos especially old ones
I was so happy when Chronicle came out, thinking that it was exactly this.
When they said it was written by an 'unreliable narrator,' I gave up on the WoW lore completely.
Your not the only one, they are really bad at crafting stories. They can’t write a good villain to save there life.
This!! I’m a new player and I’m sooooo damn lost all the time haha
They update the story with like 1-2 minutes of cutscene every3 months or so. If that's too much to ask of you, but a 17 minute youtube video on the same game is fair game, you might want to reconsider if you're trying to stay caught up at all.
I`m gonna trust blizzard not in their words but what they actually deliver
You said it, we can't let sentimentality get the better of us. I loved blizz and wow, but they burned all my bridges
Amen. This goes for any company though in all fairness.
Props to Ion for not taking anything you've told him personally over the years and actually moving forward with the game by making these improvements
If they want to help the long term absent players to get back into the story they really need to give some massive lore catch-up for anyone. More than just a few texts and Lorewalker Cho.
Nobbel talked about it on his stream, looking forward to his resumee on that idea.
During the last Q&A they also talked about something called *Azerothian Archives* . I hope it is what I think it is.
I can only hope for a 10.2.5, where the focus is some fun, interactive, timewalking function, so we’re all caught up on the story.
This, literally. I'm a TA at a fairly respectable uni in a European capital. From time to time I have to face the generation gap bw. myself and ppl born in the early 2000s. In the elevator I just overheard two students nerding about the sword, and one guy was trying to briefly explain why it is important. Blizz needs to give that elevator guy the catch up, bcs he will happily jump into that timesink, while a guy freshly married, new job, and a thesis defense on the horizont is less likely to resub.😅
last time they tried to consolidate lore and sell it to use as definitive, they pulled the rug from under us and slapped us with "tiatn's point of view, eat poop losers"
This would defiantly help sure but the majority of wow players are not lore buffs, dont even read the quests and just play for gameplay.
they said there's still three more patches for DF after 10.2@@ToreOnRUclips
If getting players to return is the goal, making them start playing 3 days late, or pay double for the new expansion does seem counterintuitive.
If you want to be smart with your money there's literally no reason to buy it. Just look at the DF launch, everyone was farming those rares and there was drama about blizz nerfing it and literally none of it mattered. You could join the last week of mythic dungeons being available before the raid and your character would be just as geared as someone playing from day 1 launch.
The warband system addresses the fundamental gameplay aspect that kept me away from most of Dragonflight. But I have serious concerns about Blizzard's ability to tell a coherent story, and about WoW content creators/dataminers not spoiling every plot point for short term engagement.
The story this xpac has been pretty good. It’s not super edgy or anything but it’s a good one
You don't have to read data miner websites or social media posts. Spoilers in WoW don't matter as much as in FF14 anyway.
@@erichall090909 are we witnessing the same story? it's horribly paced, half the lore is told retroactively, frost dragon lady literally turned on a dime, this expansion has lost any sort of focus, first we're told about these scuffed evil dragon aspects, then we're adventuring through deathwing lair to learn about dracthyr, then we're befriending infinite dragons for....reasons? now we're in the emerald dream...like wtf what is the through line? what is connecting any of this?
WoW story will always be datamined, just don't visit the datamining websites.
@@DaWoWzerall of the reasons are clearly laid out in game and everything is tied together... I can't for the life of me understand how you came to the conclusions you did...
WoW is a comfort game to me. I started playing when I was 9 years old. I had to beg my parents to buy it for me, and pay my sub. I’m now 26 and still find myself returning to it every few months. The music, the world, the characters. It’s so nostalgia ridden for me. I just want to see them take this game in a fresh, exciting direction. This game was so many people’s introduction to online gaming and it’s been long overdue for some of these changes. Here’s hoping that they can deliver us an experience that brings back awe and excitement, and not just an experience catered to getting our wallets out.
Leaving retail was the best decision I ever made. It'll take an hell of a miracle in changes to bring me back. My time is precious and is better spent in fulfilling things.
How can I trust the crew will turn the ship around, when it's the exact crew that got us here in the first place?
Will the writers suddenly become good?
Beyond that, as a Night Elf main, no writing possibly could undo the years of shitting on this race and their lore.
Yeah i find it hilarious how people kepe buying into the hype that the game will be good again when the same people that made it awful are still in charge
They think Metzen coming back will change the game entirely when they forget he was responsible for a lot of the mess we're in today.@@PedroIgori
Wow andies and karens are Not the smartest they Love zhwr childish wow Stories and world and are okay with more furry Shit.
Game is pretty good right now
Curious to hear what these years of shitting is
It’s sad it’s taken them four expansions to figure this out. The flash of legion overshadowed how poorly the game was made. It’s limped on ever since.
players were madge about those incredibly shitty systems since the fucking alpha. They hated endless AP grinding, they hated random drop legendaries, they voiced their contempt with varying degree of NSFW in their vocabulary.
And what happened? A big fat nothingburger. The game shipped with all the crap that was criticized since it was first shown.
@@alewis514 Well of course. After all they got to call the fixes "features" in a later patch. Fixing them early starves the patch cycle.
"Come back home!"
"Did you fix the gas leak that made me sick six years ago?"
"I promise we will a year from now."
"You keep saying that!"
"But it's true this time I swear!"
Like a true abusive ex. Pay us $90 for the preorder and COME HOME!!!!
Yeah for the biggest edition. $50 for an expansion is usual
Shadowlands was supposed to be like this too. Then right before launch they absolutely screwed everything up (and didn't fix most of it til the last season). Dragonflight, as you said, has been better in a lot of ways, but it really has exposed some of the weaknesses of the core game. I'm hopeful that DF showed them some things about the playerbase, and that the next few expansions truly do feel like a return home.
because in Dragonflight they listened to twitter about a more grounded story and then found out that its BOOORING AND NOT WHAT THE ACTUAL AUDIENCE WANTS
@@Freestyle80people didn’t dislike the dragon flight story bc it’s grounded. They disliked it bc there wasn’t stakes and build up the way there were for previous expansions.
I don't know why but seeing Ion and Preach in the same room is so funny to me, would love to see Preach doing regular interviews with the wow devs
See guys???? THIS TIME!!! This time Blizzard’s turning things around!! This time!
The wow player base has more faith than some hardcore religious people lol
Dragonflihjt has been head and shoulders better than the last few xpacs so I’m not all that skeptical tbh
Can you imagine people getting this hyped if Metzen didn’t deliver that keynote? He hasn’t been back long enough to change much of anything yet, so that exact speech was going to be delivered by someone else before they drove that dump truck full of money to his front porch. It worked, so money well spent.
I've heard "this time" so so many times. You wow fans stick your hands into the fire time and again and never learn from being burned
you realise a lot of people still play and dont spend their free time complaining about Blizzard on RUclips right? What is this loser mindset that because you dont play the game anymore it sucks and no one can play it
WoW stopped being my home long ago. The house has been torn down. Nostalgia has no place in my life (for anything) anymore.
Hopefully the game will be good for the people who still care though.
What's shocking to me is hearing Blizzard say they didn't really have a long term plan or goal for their Warcraft franchise before NOW, when the game has been out for 19 years already. This new approach should already have been a part since Cata at the latest.
It's hardly surprising given how chaotic wow development has been historically - even Vanilla had its ambitions massively cut short because most of Vanillas life time was spent just keeping the game up and running.
I'm very much like the crowd was at the very beginning. Very hesitant to cheer.. I want things to get better but it's on them to show us that things are changing for the better. I'm not about to throw my money at them to preorder this new expansion just because they got Chris Metzen on the stage to try to get everyone hyped.
To be fair Dragonflight has been pretty good. Its certainly better than BFA and SL. I’d say its as good as Legion. Trying my best not to get too excited though.
How can you say that things are "changing for the better" when these announcements were then followed by the extremely predatory monetization of the launch event - the biggest celebration of Warcraft and its community - by excluding anyone unwilling to pay up from it? Things aren't getting better. They're continuing to get worse. As someone who has returning for ever launch, even if just to participate in it as a cultural event, I have never felt more alienated. They're telling me that I'm too poor for them to care. It's disgraceful.
@@SamoIsKingthey also during that time stole money from players in overwatch 2.
@@SamoIsKing it is far better than legion. there's no AP grind, no artifact weapons and no hilarious legendary system
@@henrikhumle7255 While it's not good, I think you're overblowing it with this "extremely predatory" claim - these 3 days won't matter to 99.9% of the player base after the first two weeks to a month when everybody would have their main and maybe an alt or two to max level. It won't matter than much for professions either because it's always extremely few no-lifers that get the lion's share of gold-making in early expansions anyway. If anyone thinks EA is why they won't make millions of gold, get real
As someone who has played since vanilla almost exclusively for lore, they have a long way to go to get my trust back. Having metzen back i think will help, hes a long term thinker. Itll be hard to reconcile the lore of both WOD and shadowlands going forward but i hope they can.
Metzen is a brilliant creative but I don't think we can ignore some of the worst pieces of WoW lore also happened on his watch. His departure from Blizzard was recent so he contributed as much bad as anybody...
I think people forget how badly tbc was received lorewise retconning the legion, demons and draenei, kaelthas etc. Or the fact metzen started cross media narrative. Or how badly mop was received. Or cata. All under metzen.
Wow lore has been butchered so savagely that there is no patching it up
Vanilla WoW was this cool interesting world-building spin off to the RTS lore. Major lore characters were treated as cameos, the bosses you killed were all WoW originals save Kel'Thuzad, who was the boss of the game and didn't actually die. It's first expansion, TBC, was when there was a dip in quality and we started killing off lore characters because loot, though there were other more drastic ones (Cata with forgettable Deathwing and replacing the world buildign with meme quests, WoD with... well, WoD, etc.). Ironically MoP, if you can get by the "hur dur silly kung-fu pandas" atmosphere, was probably the best expansion lore-wise. It introduced a bunch of new stuff that didn't really screw up and retcon stuff, Pandaland was actually a pretty good continent, and I don't remember it butchering any characters. Some claim it butchered Garrosh, however I don't think so, I think Garrosh was always going to end up there, it's just in Pandaland his fall happened way too quickly, it went from A to B to C to Z, but I don't think it was out of character for him to become a violent warmonger who thinks he could take on the world, I would make the argument that was _in_ character, but again, the change happened too fast. I stopped caring a ton about the lore after WoD though, so eh. I would often just read summaries about it since following it in-game was just disappointing.
@@DrewPicklesTheDark Speaking of the Lore dipping in Burning Crusade a friend of mine pointed out to me in Warcraft 2 we destroy the dark portal. I think there may have been plans (i.e. had classic continued) to have a quest sort of explaining why the dark portal is back.. but we never got it.
Paid early access. In an mmo.. Where the launch of a new expansion is supposed to be the exciting part where everyone goes on an adventure. This should tell you all you need to know about in what kind of hands the game is in.
I love the Preach-Ion Character arc throughout the expansions, its been a wild ride seeing you two discuss events over the years and how thats evolved.
Especially if you watch interviews with Ion i always get the feeling that he is super relaxed when talking to Mike. He certainly acts more reserved with most other interviewers.
Yeah, jumping on this comment I as I was going to comment this myself. Talking about real stuff - great questions followed by, in my opinion, honest answers. I love the relationship Preach and Ion have now it's it brings out the best of them both.
i would love for them to have some sort of meme event in-game with mike vs ion
The monetization is getting worse?! It's so damn sad
I just feel like this 3 days early access kills most of that big launch day hype. where you are all there, be it your friends or wow streamers you happen to watch , everyone is there together waiting for the clock to hit launch time
Tbh i rather have a smooth launch with early acces instead of being a Lagfest like it was in DF and even worse WOD. and since you dont gain any power and dont have any ingame advantage and i was gonna preoder anyway for the beta acces its fine in my book. i get the problems if you get a advantage but the only advantage is you can level a few days earlier.
@@BPStyle89It's really not about that at all, it's all about having to pay double to hang out with your friends, under the guise of "giving value." If Ion wanted to give value, they could add more cosmetics easily - they churn shit out for trading post every month. I would have not minded it so much if the early access was a pre-order bonus for buying the game like at least a month before launch, but this is just telling a large group of the player base that they must buy the 90 dollar pack, or lose out on a great deal of the fun of launch.
@@audiolols So dont buy the preorder and level with your friends whats the big deal? nobody forcing you to play early. and like just farm some mats in game and make some gold and you dont even have to pay with money for that. you can buy the whole thing for GOLD like i did. not 1 $ spent and im still enjoy the prooder bonus.. its not like they force you to pay
It's not about money either lol, it's about the principle of the thing. Some of my friends are going to want the epic edition stuff, some won't. But we're all gonna have to buy it or miss out on day 1 expansion time. You're thinking too much of gameplay and not enough about social dynamics.
I'm glad to see Metzen back, but over the years too many bridges were burnt for me with Activision-Blizzard as a larger entity. I hope this isn't just all hype and bluster. I won't return, but I've got my fingers crossed for those who want to see a return to the quality they hope for and expect, even better.
Good thing activision is out of the picture now.
@@CrzBonKerz21 thank fug for that. Press S to spit on Activision
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@@CrzBonKerz21Oh 1000% agreed on that. My apprehension years back was SOLELY because of Activision. I've had a grudge with them longer than I care to admit lol.
@@rowdyretromoose I think the idea of them delivering at outlandish monetization is the idea. They're trying the WOW player's limits, and finding they're willing to accept almost anything.
Why did that last line of the video have to hit me so hard?
I stopped playing retail the day classic came out, but I wasn’t invested in the game anymore way before that. Wanting to come home really resonated with me because I think I feel the same way.
I agree with what you said regarding early access for people buying the epic edition. I feel compelled to spend more now because I don’t wanna miss out or be delayed. It doesn’t feel like early access for others, just delayed for those who can’t afford it or don’t want to pay that amount. Such a shame, it does kinda put a stain on it all and them trying to justify it is just insulting our intelligence if I’m honest. Either way excited to see what the worldsoul saga holds!
They answered this in their QA video check it out and give me ur opiniom regarding it, given it's only words there and no details so we can't say for sure.
@@gunshin8244 I saw that, it’s still a greedy move and not fair on those who can’t afford the epic edition or simply don’t want to spend that much. Just cos they added the 70 boost to the base edition doesn’t make it okay, like.. I for one couldn’t care less about the boost I don’t even want it. The levelling experience is the best part of the game imo.
Ye i completely understand, i never rly cared for the early access in any games, this 1 as well, they mentioned it become the norm which is true, but it's bad norm for the industry imo - as for the boost i quite like it, unlike u i hate lvling ( i did it too much ) so i like having it back for sure at the very least tho early avcess is not nice
@@gunshin8244 levelling can become repetitive tbh idk sometimes I like replaying the old zones and stuff. But yeah it rly takes away from the excitement of everyone waiting on launch night for the new expansion to drop live at the same time for everyone. Really a shame cos obviously most of the streamers etc will be playing the 3 day early access
@@OhaiItsLucinda ye launch is always big, ig the biggest drawback in game aside from hype is finding ummm farming spots ig, i hope it's just that not advantage and shit that'd make a lot of stuff feel iffy for a week or 2 at least
90 euros to play 3 days early in an MMO.
For me, the question if they can make the story feel like it matters is still the biggest questionmark, like Preach alluded to in the video. I would describe most of WoW Story-telling as "Storytelling on debt". All those amazing moments we really love and think about worked out so great not because those stories were told and developed in WoW, but because they already had their roots established through WC3 etc, which was a much more story-focused game and took it's time to establish a meaningful story. That's why people went into WoW (vanilla). They loved the Warcraft universe, and then got amazing events unfolding in BC and WotLK that gave us conclusions to previous events. But all those things were based on what was established before.
WoW, at least for me, has failed in establishing new lore and I can't say I felt good about anything "new" simply because they don't give it the time it needs. I personally don't see this chaning drastically in the future. They will try but I would be surprised if they can deliver more than those weird moments of enemies turning into besties within 3 minutes of gameplay, which just feels so out of place. If all it took was a 3 minute conversation for the world to be fine it's just not something I can take seriously with how grand they make it out to be in the first place. I knew Illidan and the Lich King were things that mattered because I played through a game for HOURS and HOURS that established why they're important.
I just don't think they think WoW is the kind of game that can deliver a similarly in depth, meaningful backstory and thus leaving us play out only the "highlights" of a story they invision which is a shame.
If they can prove that they can write a satisfying story (inside of the game), with authentic characters, i will consider coming back.
Even now WoW is not a bad game.
But I don't JUST want to have fun, I want to fall in love with the world as well
Wow has a story? Don't see it in m+
nope. Since thy want to release expansion per year, charging you 70-90€ per year + monthly fee + HAVING THAT MTX SHOP and WOW TOKEN, It wont make game better... Its incredible hard to find guild, since many, many troubles and problems the game devs created. (on release 8 dungeons and 1 raid, but doubt there will be 4-5 raids per expansion, i would guess 2 to three instead, maybe more if they do one boss raids like in WOTLK)
Bro modern writers in general cant do that
You must be Horde, because the ONLY place where the Alliance win is in lore. If you get rid of THAT, there is no Alliance.
@@GhostAeonWolf no way you just watched a video in which Ion said that there's a 7 year plan for the next 3 expansions and went "they want to release an expansion every year", FUCKING LMAO
not only the 3 day early access but the overall price of the expansion! the price bloat is insane!
Love seeing preach still going. Been watching since 2012 ❤
Love your content. I for one and cautiously optimistic on a bunch of things. There certain things that get me excited and not necessarily the upcoming three expansions. Allowing us to dragon ride in the old zones and Dracthyr getting Dragon Riding system into their Soar kit gets me pretty excited.
Big pass. This is a company that deserves what its getting. They have abused their fans for waaaaay too long. Far longer than most other gaming companies would have gotten away with. They refused to learn xpac after xpac after xpac.
I personally dont care about all the harassment and milk stealing. I do however care that their vision of "Improving the game" is making women into fruit, changing spell names because they offend the fraction of the mentally ill population who wont even play their game. They are the kings of time wasting and postponing fixes till the end of the xpac.
Activision, Microsoft, does not matter. Some of the changes they are implementing (Account wide reps, Account wide Bank etc etc) should have been in the game YEARS ago. And even now, the excuse is "Technology has caught up" like please... that's the same bs they do when ever an expac fails and they need to sell the new one, and they say "We have learned a lot from the previous xpac" and then they go and do the same thing again over and over.
Great video as always.
I can say, though, that WoW will never be my home again. It was my home for a long, long time, but the game just doesn't have that appeal to me anymore. I still like to check things out and and play from time and time with a month subbed here and there, but I've simply moved on from the WoW being my main game.
I have fantastic memories of all the years I've spent in Azeroth, admittedly soured by some pretty bad memories toward the end. I hope the game gets into a much better place and that people can think of it as their home again - but I'll be watching from the sidelines.
Blizzard needs to address the bot problem that they have ignored for years, they need improve their customer service experience and just because something is "industry standard" doesnt mean that it should be and that everyone should be doing it.
I’m excited to watch your cata guides again!
Blizzard said all the right things I wanted to hear. The Warbands system alone might be enough to draw me back. However, they really set the expectations high imo. Let's see if they can deliver.
Vanilla gave 2 continents,60 levels
Burning crusade added an area only 10 levels obsoleted all previous work rinse and repeat all the way to current release
I'm inspired by how long you've carried this ancient silly torch. Almost 2 decades later and this is your hot topic. Of the many many criticisms I've seen, I never expected to be surprised again. Kudos to you dude!
This is how people felt about the last expansion and the expansion before....
Dragon flight was miles better then shadowlands. You take a similar level of improvement from dragon flight to war within and you have a great game
"Will these expansions be smaller? No, War Within will have 4 zones, 8 dungeons, and a raid! Midnight will have 4 zones, 8 dungeons, and a raid!" Okay, so they'll continue to be the smallest expansions in terms of number of zones and dungeons on release? That didn't make me less worried at all. The quality is much higher these days and the zones are bigger, but imagine if Northrend only had 4 zones but the same size. Imagine if Outland was 4 zones. Or Pandaria. I don't think him saying "They won't be smaller, we'll continue with the same formula - the smallest one yet" was a good move. Patch content is great, and with how much they've focused on seasons, I bet there's some dope stuff coming. But how many people are doing Forbidden Reach these days? Or even Zaralek Cavern?
It's weird that it's now somehow normal that expansions have 4 new zones to begin with when in the past they'd all launch with 7+. Outland had 7 + 4 for the new races, WOTLK had 8-10 depending on how you count Wintergrasp/Crystalsong/Dalaran, Cata had the entire world revamp + 7 + 3 starting zones, MoP had 7, WoD had 6+ Ashran, etc.
And it's not like the new zones are particularly denser in detail either, WoD and MoP zones had way more treasures and secret stuff than newer ones.
well the difference is not that large. you have to consider that it is 4 zones on release. SL and DF got 2 zones added in the .1 and .2 patches. SL had 5 zones to start with so with the 2 additions (do we count 2nd half of maw?) it is also 7 in total. DF currently has 7 as well (4 standard, caverns, dream and Forbidden reach)
@@yasminmeier8437 ??? Yeah, no shit, if you add all the zones that weren't on release then it'll be more than what it was on release..? I didn't count any of the zones that got added to any of the expansions I mentioned post-release. (And WOTLK still had more on release than the last 2 expacs at their final stage lmao, and twice as many as at their release) And older expansions also utilised existing leveling zones by adding massive new content hubs to them later on which also doesn't really happen anymore, like Krasarang or Icecrown etc.
@@invictus7736 you're also forgetting that the Dragon Isles are bigger than Northrend, so while the number is smaller, you actually got more content in DF than Northrend, just from a zone perspective
I think they settled on that number due to changes in how the team operated and how easy or difficult it was to manage the content quality and pacing. Remember that the old expansions did not have Mythic + for example, that was added in Legion which was also when the zone formula changed. Team members had to be diverted from some areas to others so we essentially exchanged zones for other types of content
@@tobiasb1632 Having a larger, less dense landmass doesn't equal more content. Like a third of the Dragon Isles' size is made up of the empty mass of water west of the ohn'ahran plains and the forbidden reach neither of which served any gameplay purpose on release.
I mean sure, if they were making just as much content then the quantity of zones wouldn't matter, but none of the DF zones have significantly more than old zones, whether we're talking about quests or treasures or whatnot. In fact, looking at the loremaster chievs and storylines even the smaller Northrend zones like Storm Peaks had more quests than the DF zones which have bigger landmasses.. and there were 8 of the Northrend ones. Icecrown had like double the quests of the Waking Shore. And this comparison shouldn't even matter because WOTLK was 15 years ago... (DF should blow it out of the park, but evidently it doesn't.)
Pandaria had similar amounts of quests to Northrend zones but it also had a ton of cool treasures, rares, secrets etc. to find. NOT TO MENTION this was when they made separate questlines for the factions, whereas DF had the exact same for both, so DF was miles behind old expansions in terms of zones' content, and let's not even mention Shadowlands..
I wish I shared your enthusiasm, but I too will wait and see what the future holds .
Damn good summary. I know Mike spoke to these points in his Bcon talk but it’s nice to get this fleshed out bullet points pres with the addd snippets from the talk with Ion. I like most that Mike still holds them account stable all the while still being excited. We need these checks and balances to continue so they stay true to sticking the landing so to speak. Great vid!
Awesome Video, really informative! Did i miss the full interview or has that not been released?
Preach i think you drank the kool aid
I really hope they stick the story also. They really need some kind of in game story catch up mechanic like a scenario you can pick a certain expansion and play thru that gives you a condensed version of the story beats from it. A lore compendium in game would be nice as well for those that want to skip a readable version. I've had friends start playing that hadn't before or took a long break and were lost at points in the story.
Love your WoW interviews man. I hope you keep making videos like this.
I started in vanilla, quit in BfA, and will not go back. It's certainly not my "home" anymore.
from 2004 to 2010 I played nothing else but wow. I feel I had my fill and dont ever want to go back
The point about storyline being behind renown is a good one. I had no interest in grinding out renown throughout the expansion, so I missed a bunch of the story. Once I realised I was missing some of the story, I just stopped caring about anything after that point. The main story should really be self-contained and not require people to go do a bunch of unrelated filler to unlock.
Well done Preach. Great video. Love Ian's "what sword" short.
End of the video reaction: Same. I would LOVE to come home. I left in the first tier of WoD, I've been gone a long time. But I started at the very end of OG/start of BC. I have fond memories of the game and a whole host of characters I'd like to play again. But they have to show me there's something worth coming back for.
without watching the video, all I can say is if you refer to it as "home", then you were always destined to come back.
Unless your parents were abusive and you were bullied at school :)
@@SimplyConeh which is why I'm careful about what I call home
It is convenient that all these promises come out with the 3 day "early access". This seems like marketing BS to just get you to buy in.
first of all. look at you and your glow up. i mean everybody noticed that by now.bnut you look great preach. seeing old vids of you and the shape u r now in. huge respect. im happy for you. second of all. i really feel like wow is becoming the great game again it used to be under new conditions. im so happy to invest time again now in my character because it feels imr really getting rewarded. and hearing about all the new fetures and quality of life makes me thinka bout this game long term again. im gonna play this a lot over the next years.
We all want to go home, Mike. Warcraft to me, will always be the greatest and most impactful game ever made but damn do they have a long ways to go improving the story and how it's paced and delivered
Nothing I've heard of Blizzcon or the current state of WoW seems like anything other than typical Blizzard hype that is likely to fall flat on its face. They know the game is going downhill, and are trying to do everything possible to generate interest in it.
The devs seem to barely know their own lore, which really doesn't bode well for making a compelling story. Having so much lore in out-of-game sources is another major issue the whole IP has, and severely hampers what they have done and can do in game.
The dev team expanding could be good, but could also produce no real changes or even be worse. The saying of "too many cooks in the kitchen" often applies to game development as well.
Dragonflight was a step forward for the game, but a relatively small one. Lots of hype at the launch, and everyone was giving it good reviews. Since then, the only things I've really heard about it is that it's an "okay" expansion. Not "great," often not even "good," simply "okay." And that really doesn't mean all that much when it's coming off the backs of BFA and Shadowlands, both of which were massive letdowns. Taking a step forward is good, sure... but is vastly diminished when that single step is coming after numerous giant leaps backwards.
Unfortunately, like just about anything Blizzard releases, the upcoming expansions will likely see a massive positive reception on launch, regardless of how good or bad they are. This will, in turn, continue to fuel Blizzard doing whatever Blizzard wants to do to milk money from players, because they know that millions of people will slurp down even the worst crap they have to offer, and beg for more.
I feel sad for all the hype train passengers. But at the same time, you deserve to be disappointed in the end. If you fell for their "We're sorry, we will do better next time" BS after WoD and BFA and Shadowlands and you're now falling for it after Dragonflight, you're a fool. Enjoy huffing on the copium bag and forking out $100+ for 3 days early access.
It's time to come home? No thanks. Wow is like a prostitute. The older it gets the more makeup it cakes on to cover the scars.
The biggest question is are they going to take another important page from ffxiv, and make each expansion payable like it's current content?
For someone like me, who will probably wait until the second expansion, maybe 3rd, to come back and play the story, will we be able to like someone starting ffxiv fresh today can play all of the 3 expansions worth of content as close to if it was current as possible?
Honestly, hearing a man i have watched since dragon souls also have his passion for ”home” reignited put a tiny tear in my eye!
It's crazy how happy and stress-free Ion looks since his appearance on the retail deep dive panel, I guess we'll never know how much was just beign stubborn and ''knowing better'' and how much was keeping his overlords happy but what I know is that his panel was a HUGE win for WoW's future and that's not even taking Metzen into account...
A black stain on the industry. What a great way to convey the early access issue. Well done Mike! Sincerely hope that you and other influential persons in this space can pressure Blizzard into reversing that terrible decision
Are they really charging extra for the early access? I'm sure people will point out that FFXIV also does 3 days early access to content if you pre order. But as far as I am aware, it is just part of the regular preorder perks. It's what you would pay for the regular expansion anyways but you get a bonus for giving them that amount early.
@@cynicalmanatee They are not charging more for it per se but only including it in the most expensive package. The package is the same price it was last expansion, but with it only being in the most expensive one, people are arguing that it is trying to drive people to buy that one. Honestly, I want the company to make money so they can stay open and make more content.
There have been absolutely nothing announced that would make me go back again, good luck to those who do though.
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This is all copium. Hype train that will fade 1 month after the release of the new expansion. I wish streamers/content creators valued themselves instead of being sheep. Some people on youtube/twitch actually influence people to play. People will buy and pay and the corporates at blizzard will again think "hey we don't need an actual MMO we can do this hype thing over and over and people will blindly do it again". They haver clearly no clue of what the players want. SOD is not what the community asked. We asked for balance. Not shortcuts and OP new abilities and specs. They are already ruining what made classic fun. Class identity. So much for classic +. I rather stick to my turtle =)
Tbh honest mate , your whole comment sounds like a big baby tantrum "WAAAH I DIDNT GET WHAT I WANTED WAAAH". You need to grow up and realize that you dont always get what you asked for and majority of people are actually excited for SOD. So, play it or dont play it , just dont be a big baby publicly ,its embarrassing.@@DaniDaDevil
Give me a chance to rephrase my answer then. "Blizzard" didn't show anything in that presentation. All we got was promises.Its always the same "we are going to do better" "get ready to be mind blown" "we copied features from other games(even pirated versions of our game)" "we listen to the community". Everybody gets on the hype train and it crashes and burns after 1 month when people realise that they were mislead by the 20x time. It is deserverd when the wow community is more gullible than a 3yo kid and have the memory of a 80 year old person. I am just suprised how dumb this community is. It will be fun to watch everybody cry and the best part is that I won't have to pay a cent.@@georgeadam6744
@@DaniDaDevilI mean dragonflight has been both popular and well received.
Promises, promises. Show something first, then i'll consider coming back. Blizzard has just pulled too many dickmoves in the past, promising overwatch pve as a popular example. Now they promise us an epic storyline and a conclusion to so many story paths....and yet, all we got on our hands is a preorder pack for 90 dollars with a predatory buisiness model.
So dont buy the 90$ pack then.. like you dont get any advantage in game you can just LEVEL earlier. and tbh alot of people prolly bought the 90$ pack for the beta acces to test things.
@@BPStyle89 You've clearly not played a whole lot if you believe that. The first 24-48 hours of an expansion is when supply of the new items is low and demand is high, which has a tremendous impact on their prices. You play it right and you can get hundreds of thousands of gold - gold which you can use to buy high end BOEs, gold for GDKPs, gold to make your professions better faster - which solidifies your advantage.
Then you have the issue of gearing. By the time m+ is released you are competing with everyone else to see who can get the highest gear score the quickest so that you actually get invited. If you miss out on that then you will be forever behind and forever unable to get into groups. Same goes for PVP. The "there is no advantage" is a lie.
@BPStyle89 This philosophy only works if you are a dedicated solo player. If you are in a guild, you'll see friends, you guild, start early while you still sit there waiting. You'll fear of missing something. Once you start, you cant share your experiences with them anymore because for them stuff is already three days old. This is a disgusting trend which shouldnt exist, period.
But yeah, you are right i am not going to buy the $90 pack. I am not even preordering the normal pack. As i said in my original comment, i want to see them deliver something worthwhile first. Chris metzen really knows how to rally a crowd, hes incredibly charismatic. And yeah, the plans they showcased look good. Nevertheless, up until this point all we got is promises.
I hope they get it right, but i am not trusting them enough to give them my money yet. Until they have built up trust again, they should deliver first.
@@Happydrumstick93 apperently you have no clue what you are talking about then mate. Gold in this game hasent been an issue for over 10 years. if you think leveling 3 day earlier without m+ unlocked and all the weekly quest and mythic 0 Ids only starting when the early acces is over you dont have any advantage.
then gearing that you think will be an issue make your own group then problem solved. Mythic 0 wont be open untill early acces is over you dont get any more loot than the rest. and M+ wont be release for another 3 weeks when raids are released. just like it was in BFA shadowlands and Dragonflight. and if you are buying preraid BOEs then you are trolling anyway. since you will be replacing then in a matter of hours to a week when M+ is released.
I get having FOMO but in reality you dont have any advantage for leveing a few days early and spending 100k gold for proffessions when a few days later the prices allready drop is trolling aswell.
And if you think i dont play the game cause i dont see leveling early is any advantage then you are straight up trolling.
@@termagant425 Actually im a CA raider that has to have a few chars ready for m0 Weeks so no the philosophy still works. cause when you are in a semi competend guild you will run the m0 anyway with them since they arent open before anyway. the only thing that i agree with you is the fear of missing something or missing out on something. but thats not a game problem, thats a you problem. had many people preoder and still not level on launch night and guild groups waiting for a day later since you cant do anything at maxlevel anyway till your groups are ready.
like i said i understand if you straightup get any advantage in Game then its an issue that should be solved. but since the only thing is getting to level a bit later thats fine IMO
Honestly I'm mad how much warbands make me wanna come back. I don't even wanna play the game. I _aggressively_ don't want to play the game. But seeing all my characters banded together 10 billion years later than they should have been sounds so cool. That's where my attachment will never die, with the characters I crafted for over a decade. As for the rest... I wish them the best but its in that vague I wish positive outcomes for everyone sort of way. Even if they nail the new story, everything I cared about was burned to the ground long ago.
Throw in the plague that are add-ons, the openly toxic player base, and Blizzard's predatory business model... I have no desire to come back to an abusive home.
Yeah pretty much, wow playerbase is awful i came back on dragonflight and my first dungeon to level an alt people left before the first boss and second one i got kicked for no reason because they were a group of friends, then theres the rampant microtransactions that make wow have even worse in game store than many f2p mmos and it makes for a hard sell
You do want to play again.
I was burned with Shadowlands and quit WoW halfway through the expansion. With Metzen back, Account Wide focus, & Hero Talents has me thinking about coming back. WoW Classic+ is also interesting~
Isn't Hero Talents literally regular talent tree but just a more powerful version ? And it's just 10 points. So far I haven't see anything in this new expansion that made me say "Wow they must have spent a lot of time developping this new system/mechanic".
@@Scyths1 10 points? Sorry, I haven't played since the talent tree rework.
its 1 point per level when you level up during TWW. so 10 points. the tree also has 10 nodes. some of which are choice nodes, allowing for differentiated builds where wanted. The DF talent trees (spec and class talent tree with 30+ points each) are of course staying. Essentially the hero talents are artifact weapons meet talent trees minus artifact power@@TsukadaHina
@@tiyangina3571 Ah, I see. Well that seems...mediocre. >
its not groundbreaking, but I think its a pretty elegant solution to the talent tree bloat problem that wow ran into in cata/MoP and thus lead them to abandon talent trees. By putting the 10 points into designated spots in their own little pocket dimension, tuning doesnt get exponentially more difficult. And it gives the opportunity to give us some class fantasies that many always wanted to be in the game, but never made it in. tbh, Im most exited about the visual changes that the hero talents will do to some specs/classes. a zoo of pets as BM, thunder and lightning as mountain thane, and whatever "Bringer of the apocalypse" will look like, but it sound pretty dope lol @@TsukadaHina
The 3 expansion plan had me excited, but that momentum was quashed by drop in quality of story telling for the Guardians of the Dream. Fryakk was disposed of with little fanfare. A villain that has been one of the best parts of DF, and he doesn't even get cutscene death? Yet the Dragon Aspect getting their powers back went on way too long. Quote from another player, "I killed Fryrak and the to stand around serving tea while the Aspects are empowered. Doesn't seem fair, given the Champion has been doing all the work again.
As long as they basically wipe the game with every patch im done with this treadmill. It needs a change of fundamentals to get me back.
They always try to sell us respecting our time, but at the end its all about online time and monetization. And "Early access has no longterm effect" - Bullshit!
I really enjoyed how this video turned out. It felt particularly well organized and edited, which is funny given the turnaround time on it 😅. Well done!
I played WoW from release to the first patch of Shadowlands, off and on. I have to say, I have no idea what would make me want to play WoW again. And it has nothing to do with whether or not I trust Blizzard to deliver on their "promises". As a fan of the lore, I was really bothered by how much of the story turned out. The Jailer and the idea of the unreliable narrator really bothers me. And when I think about playing again, I think about having to deal with addons and toxic groups and ptr testing/not playing blind (the expectation is there in normal content, I'm sorry, it is), and I really just don't want to bother.
So I don't think WoW is home for me anymore, and that's totally fine. I hope you and my friends who still play enjoy the changes and have fun.
All that said, really looking forward to the RWF!
whats rwf
Not a wow player myself but hope Blizzard and wow community gets a W here. It's cool seeing the buzz and excitement after that trailer drop
I only played WoW during Legion. The reason I had trouble getting interested since, is I heard that the class hall and that weapon system was removed or something. Thus I felt like I'd just come back with no ground floor to land on. I'm glad they're fixing all these content holes that make it so hard to find your bearings in WoW as a new or returning player.
I think one really important thing they need to look into is get new players into the story that is no longer current or accessible in-game.
About 3-4 years ago in BFA my girlfriend at the time wanted to try WoW. I had played since launch so I was ready to offer any help or advice that I could.
She enjoyed the game but the major issue she had was that there was so much lore referencing to the time before the Cataclysm but she had no way to access this content.
For a new player leveling up it's just so wierd when you level through Northrend and everyone is talking about the Lich King being the big bad that we need to worry about. But once you go and level somewhere else then the Lich King is completely forgotten and not mentioned again.
"Who was Onyxia? What was the significant story behind her?", "Why is Illidan a boss in Black Temple? I thought he was a good guy?", "In this cinematic Garrosh is leader of the horde, but when I go to orgrimmar he is not there? Why is that?"
One interesting thing I heard from a new player was "I thought the Lich King was blue? But when he appears in Shadowlands he is glowing red?". This player had leveled in Northrend. Hit high enough level to leave the zone before even fighting Arthas and just never having that story done because the game told him to go somewhere else.
New players are not interested in going on RUclips and watching a video to understand what is happening in this game they just bought. The lore from a new players eyes will just be a mess because it jumps around all the time.
Some type of lore recap would be great for new players. Having the Bronze Dragonflight tell you the story of what has happened since Vanilla and have you transported back to experience short versions of the fights and moments that were significant maybe?
And besides this I just want more solo things to do in the game. Grinding M+ is fun for a week and then it just gets old when you have done the same dungeons over and over again.
Raiding is fun but too much of a time commitment and the fights have too many mechanics. I think one of the biggest appeals of Classic is that it's not about the difficulty of the raid but rather the experience and the enjoyment of doing it.
I enjoyed Dragonflight but it was a short enjoyment as I had nothing to do except grinding M+ and bashing my head against mythic raids 3 days a week.
The future looks bright for WoW and I am ready to come home if Blizzard is actually going to come through and make the game into the home we all want and not a crack shack.
For the first time what they're saying is genuinely in line with what I want.
Everything will come down to execution. If they deliver, I'll be there, if not, business as usual (in other games).
So Preach mentions that some people (not he, himself) are worried about not getting expansion specific systems? Didn't we just decide that stuff sucks?
It's WoW, it never decides anything. It's actually ironic because it's always been at war with itself. What some people love others hate. Always.
Me too Preach, me too. I will keep an eye for developments in the new expansion. Keep up the great job of informing us on what up with it :) Thanks!
Preach your hair looks fantastic! Also there is an old saying "you can't go home again" which can mean or be taken different ways but I'm willing to revisit some familiar locations.
My issue is that it feels to me that everything good they do is reactionary. No change feels honest and feels like it's not made because they think it'll be better. Feels like they're forcing themselves to do this because everyone left, and, as soon as they get their numbers back to what they want, they'll restart the cycle of bullshit again
By definition change is reactionary tho. If everything was perfect , they wouldnt have to change. Give credit where credit is due cause in DF , they've had constant Ws. As for the "everyone left" argument, dunno if you logged in lately but game is pretty alive tbh ^^
@georgeadam6744 if it was so good why they have never shown sub numbers again? or why do they keep milking the playerbase with more and more in game store bs, WoW has worse in game store than many f2p MMOs now. People need to stop being fanboy
@@PedroIgori Who even gives a flying fuck about WoW's ingame store? Its cosmetics. buy em or dont, they offer nothing. Dont play the game if you dont want to , just stop being crybabies with a superiority complex. Also regarding player numbers you can easily google that and find out! ^^
@@georgeadam6744 they mean blizz has no vision and only seem like doing things because of that and not truly believe in new ways
In a word, not genuine
@@georgeadam6744 if its was CONSTANT Ws there wouldn;'t be mixed reactions about DF and complaints about lacking stuff to do. While DF is a step up from Shadowlands, to make something worse would be impressive at this point. If everyone left the servers would be shut down but to deny a massive and i mean MASSIVE amount of the player base has left retail for classic, hardcore or another game is straight up denial. Baiscally blizzard has ruined their reputation with MMO gamers and will have to slowly earn it back...can they do it sure, but i am skeptical of their ability to succeed.
This video came at such the right time. I have spent most days for the past 3-4 weeks just missing WOW and the community surrounding it. It was such a big part of my life and BFA just destroyed that with a little mix of IRL stuff and I stopped playing. Will definitely keep a close eye and see if I might actually be ready to return.
Very well written commentary. Thanks for it.
Same video Preach made before DF and then he played it for a like a month and stopped
I've been on and off with WoW since Cataclysm. I really stopped playing after base BfA, and still to this day haven't completed the Shadowlands storyline. I moved to FFXIV and found a home. It is where my guild is. It is where my friends are. It is where my community is. The announcements and forthcoming changes make me happy, but not enough to make WoW my main game again. That foothold isn't there, even if I will be buying and playing the new expansion. (I have played Dragonflight a bit, but nothing too deep.) WoW will be a nostalgia trip that I will be happy to go on. But that is honestly it. FFXIV is my base, and I am not really sure Ion, Chris and the gang at Blizzard can pull me back in like I was so long ago.
I've had the reverse. I played FFXI for many years before coming to WoW, but WoW always felt more like home to me. Inevitably every time I go to a different game - be it FFXIV or Guild Wars 2, where I've had tons of fun and made lasting memories - a part of me always longs to go back to Azeroth. But after a few months, I just get disappointed in the same old grinding systems and find myself just farming for transmog. Now that they're actually acknowledging open world players and making sure we have something to do at endgame, I am really excited. Wish I didn't have to wait a year!
I'm somewhat the opposite. I played wow and FFXIV both in parallel for a long time. Then during BFA and shadowlands I focused more on FFXIV but always wished I could just go back to wow. And now with wow doing so much good in dragonflight and it looks like they're doing so much more good with the war within onwards, and then FFXIV just being the same stuff except even less content than previous expansions, worse stories, worse class gameplay etc.. I'm probably leaving eorzea for a long time in favour of azeroth once more
I feel as though people are getting caught up in the blizzcon hype. Let's not forget this is the same company that's thumbled every new system release in modern history. Let's just wait and see before coming back.
I'd really like to hear more about the what he says at 5:39 - what did they see in the Classic data that helped inform the change in mindset?
It is so evident that Preach has WoW in his heart. I hope that the new trilogy does just that and brings you home.
Honestly, I dropped out a month into Legion, and only tried the game for like a day or two here and there for the following years. But with what they are doing with WoW soon I am more than happy to give the game another shot. I am just thinking about how I can finally level multiple characters without feeling like I am playing the game 2, 3, 4 or even 5 times over again. It's all shared soon, and that excites me. Also gonna try the Season of Discovery in a few weeks!
Legion was the last expansion since WOTLK that genuinely hooked me.
I do not foresee them topping that - unless they’re ready to commit to a true finale.
*If* I were to come back it wouldn't be to preorder The War Within.
The best I could say at this point is I'll wait and see.
Saying "come home" and slapping a $90 price tag on an """early access"" edition...man can this company just put aside it's boundless greed for a SECOND? Even if they pull out Metzen, the biggest hype guy they can get, they just don't realize that WoW is no longer "home" for a lot of people PRECISELY because of shit like this.
Also I have absolutely 0 faith in the story until they can actually put out something. The same writers who disenchanted Arthas and created the Jailer are still working there, why would things suddenly completely change?
Shadowlands literally killed the entire warcraft story
Yeah, it's like coming home to the area you once lived only to find out it's been completely gentrified, fenced in and with bodyguards in shades standing at the toll booth. And then inside it's actually the same neighbourhood it always was, they just wanted to feel fancy and get some cash flow going.
Ffxiv not only has early access, but you have to pay for many good emotes (and bank space) in their store.
I'm not even defending WoW here, but the hypocrisy of some people who get mad at Blizzard about doing what everyone in the industry does (or who doesn't do nearly as bad as others), yet let's everyone else slide is pretty strange.
It's all or nothing. You either are against all AAA studios doing this stuff or not, it can't be one rule for Blizzard and one rule for Square.
@@andrewshandle FFXIV early access is for every single person that preorders the game for no additional cost, and the purchase counts as a preorder up until the official release. Literally everyone gets it for free, it's not even in the same universe as what Blizzard are pulling.
There is no hypocrisy here. You can do an ethical cash shop that is non-intrusive to the actual game experience and fully optional and in no way present in the game (you really don't need more than two retainers for normal play, and if you do, just make a bank FC like you'd do in any other MMO) - or you can do a subscription, in-game cash shop that is permanent in the UI at all times and moving to the top in the new Warbands UI, selling gold directly to your players along with battlepass cosmetics points... These aren't different rules. These companies do things entirely differently.
And I want to be clear - this isn't about Square. Square as a company is fully okay with nickel and diming. This is about CBU3 who make a stand on how hard the game is monetized, what gets put in and what isn't. Blizzard used to have that too, but over the years it turned into an overmonetized hell of a game.
@@thesunthrone "You can do an ethical cash shop that is non-intrusive to the actual game experience and fully optional and in no way present in the game "
FFXIV sells bank slots and emotes. You are tying yourself in a lot of knots to justify it because we all knew if Blizzard did the same you'd be losing your mind.
Like I said, it's all or nothing. You don't get to pick and choose your outrage and maintain credibility.
The only thing i still think they need to do maybe with warbands its some kind of shared weapon/armor stash between caracters like FF 14, i have 33k achivements on wow and i play since tbc, but in the last expansions i cant care about leveling an alt like i did until legion, alts fell like a waste of time, i dont want a 30 ilevel lower item so i can give to an alt, i wanna use my hunter gear on my shaman, i want to give my rings trinkets and neck to my rogue, i dont wanna farm the same trinket i already got on freehold +20 on my rogue and my shaman, why cant i just give to them like i do on FF 14?
One of my favorite creators to watch because the comments are so candid, visceral, and spot on. Sad when you stopped making wow content, so I hope Azeroth has enough to bring you back full time!
comment on the "fast" Vyranoth allegiance change: To me this was done really well, you can't boil it down to just that one cutscene. We have seen her drifting away from her brothers over several months now in various cutscenes, slowly building towards antagonizing Fyrakk. The cutscene you mention is just the culmination of a very long personal developement arc.
I just want classes to feel fun again. A more simple but fun rotation where individual abilities have more impact, rather than having to blast my keys like I'm playing guitar hero and line everything up perfectly, where every ability is just a building block, while still doing suboptimal performance.
My sentiments exactly.
Play something other than monk then :D
there was a time you culd take blizards word for it … never again wow died a long time ago
WoW did not invent quest-based leveling.
There were many, many popular MUDs with huge quest systems. XP from quests, even mainly from quests, predates WoW by decades.
Everquest took certain things from certain MUDs. WoW just took different things from different MUDs. They just have slightly different lineages (though a lot of shared lineage too).
I think if you are really interested in the history of MMOs, you need to look at the history of MUDs, maybe talk to some people about them, even play a few of the surviving ones (though most have died and a lot of the remaining ones are hard to get into), etc.
Hope we all can come home.
how? how do you see this as "good direction" i dont get it, all that was said is we will do good we promise and the only true new feature is delves (wich will prob get boring after 2 weeks).. They could do so many awesome things.. but nope.. as allways we will do things safely. Warbands could be Wither Army traning 2.0 where u command your alts on missions and get special gear and upgrades for them. They could add true world events, like many games have (like for example gw2, where something happens in the world and after that there are no mobs but friendly npcs and traders in this area)
Im just sick of this community that cheers at slightest sign of hope just to be disappointed and cheer on another thing..
I tried to come home. But after ffxiv and classic wow, retail is just too fast paced, both in its combat, and in its GOGOGO approach to content. I cant do it, i cant play when it feels like an esport i cant keep up with.
I feel like thats just in your head dude. You dont have to be on the cutting edge of the game just play at your own pace and have fun.
@@kye4216 I know I dont have to be at the cutting edge. But even in normal dungeons, in classic its slow and methodical, in FFXIV it's medium-paced, your rotation is predictable and stable, gcd is managable, and when things are fast its clearly telegraphed. But even just in leveling dungeons in retail, everyones running at 3 times the pace im used to in the others, blasting into packs, before I even know what's happening things are dead and im running again, no one talks, i have no idea whats going on, half my action bar is flashing and the addon to help in dungeons is yelling several things at me, it's too much.
And if im struggling now, in leveling dungeons, theres no way i'll manage at actual endgame.
to clarify, I almost never die. I just dont have a clue what the heck is going on.
@@atinygoose6199 Well yes in low level dungeons people will just melt every pack and speed run the dungeon because its so easy.
But once you get to the harder stuff the enemies have a lot of health and it actually takes a while to kill them.
If you dont like all the noise just dont use those add-ons. All i play with are weakauras for my abilities and Plater.
I felt the same draw to come back, the recent cut scenes for the end of the raid dampened the desires a bit. I feel like it's too soon to come back but might reconsider as the epilogue/prologue patches start to roll in.
Going back to the old world seems like a good step especially for new players like me to visit and learn about the world since It feels like it's scattered stories instead of one world I like wow even now but I hope it improves too.
I've been playing but I didn't start dragon flight in my main character yet I explored my zones and professions I hope the professions feel connected like mining for example