Zizek?!? You didn’t get the memo or you didn’t want to read it in regard to the past…?!? Ideology is what is useful for those in power to use whenever it is necessary to confuse the masses and make them obedient. You make a discussion about this as if you don’t see that this is just another way to divid people and make a new band of useful idiots! Welcome to the Clown-Word! Welcome to the New Priesthood! Welcome to the decline and a beginning of a new and improved version of the old lie: society is civil and a general good.
Zizek?!? You didn’t get the memo or you didn’t want to read it in regard to the past…?!? Ideology is what is useful for those in power to use whenever it is necessary to confuse the masses and make them obedient. You’re shocked? I don’t believe you are…You are making a discussion about this as if you don’t see that this is just another way to divide people and make a new band of useful idiots! You know history; your know about communism, facism and the rampant developments of what was liberalism of the past until now! Welcome to the Clown-Word! Welcome to the New Priesthood! Welcome to the decline and a beginning of a new and improved version of the old lie: society is civil and a general good.
Makes me think how hysteria was a female psychological disease for unsatisfied women. I thought we grew beyond that. That we understood that there were other underlying dissatisfactions for the "symptoms". If we are going to reason like this and let toxic masculinity become a disease we have to at least reintroduce hysteria since the underlying reasoning of neglecting someone's dissatisfaction because of their inability to express themselves is the same.
This sounds like a good comparison on the surface, they share similarities but it's a false equivalence. You cannot equate the current mass ideological indoctrination program, globalised through both the globalisation of culture and technology, and being driven by a slew of logical fallacies and manipulative double-think from the majority of the populace who censor and shutdown any allowance of conversation with the systems of a primitive mental health "service" (for lack of a better term) who performed abhorrent acts of control and probably gaslighting under the guise of what we now retrospectively consider bigotry. One is a mass mechanism of social control affecting every soul on the planet for better or worse, and one is you moralising over the actions of people long dead. If you thought more critically and a little deeper perhaps you would not behave in such a way.
@@puddleglum9179wouldn't that prove that it is more a general human toxicity but manifests differently in men than in women than it is some innate gender determined toxicity
@@chideraalexanderdex547 well the toxicity I'm talking about is specifically gendered. Like toxic masculinity would be a guy not being able to cry publicly because it would make the people around him uncomfortable to see a man cry. Toxic femininity would be a woman crying loudly in public to get attention and have someone else solve their problem. Not a common thing, for sure but I hope it gets at what I'm saying. Or another example that is more common would be a woman that constantly infantelizes herself so she can be taken care of by a stronger man. People who have toxic gender traits are woman and man and are both vapid and annoying people who overly rely on gender characteristics to keep a sense of self and control. Now why do we only talk about toxic masculinity? It's because the feminist movement is organized, woman are aware of the problem they face (rape, abuse, financial reliance) these are all problem that guys don't really have and these are problems caused mostly by gender expectations on the guy side. On the other hand, There is no man's rights movement for man's rights. It's mostly just opposition to women's rights which is weird and nothing else. That's why masculinity is so weird nowadays. We know it needs to change but no one wants to point a direction.
@@murphy7801 and cigarettes don't cause cancer. And 1/2 your calories should come from breakfast cereal. And global warming is going to kill us by 2020. And the vaccine for that they rolled out in 9 months flat is safe.
Toxic masculinity started out as a good and valid critique of macho bullshit, but it can be easily used to neuter critiques of hierarchy. Aggression isn't good or bad inherently.
We might have different definition of aggression. For me it means violently overreacting and not having your actions under control. Violence is sometimes needed but aggression never ever helped anything.
It’s worth saying that “toxic masculinity” isn’t being described the same way as depression, it’s being described the same way as narcissism. That being a potential healthy instinct that is being acted on inappropriately. No one is medicating it but they are defining it so therapists can discuss it. Edit: For the love of god you guys need to touch grass. Women aren't out to get you, men aren't under attack, and yelling in a reply to a RUclips comment "What about toxic FEMININITY?" is a cosmically sad activity.
This is a weak point by Slavoj Zizek, it's not a philosophical question it's a scientific one. You can justify this point either way, (lo and behold he's justifying his bias) what you need is an objective measuring stick. That said, I think the term "toxic masculinity" is idiotic, because it describes how other people see it, not what it is. If we called a wild animal growling at people "Toxic animality", we would be ignoring the fact that it is an animal in distress. If you call it what it is, something like masculine emotional retardation, you would understand it's a social construct that specifically stunts men's ability to effectively convey emotions in a way that instills empathy.
The more I listen to Zizek, the more I question how insightful he really is. He's charismatic for sure, but his words always seems more polemic than useful in anyway.
@@ocek2744lol, it's always men's fault. If you demonise men who look upto "toxic masculine" influences online, without caring to ask them what it is in those influencers that appeals to them, you're not going to instill positive change.
@@ocek2744 I would argue that the constant obsession with emotionality, self-expression, and neuroticism is more indicative of emotional retardation, because it displays a lack of emotional regulation. The core assumption here is that feminine emotionality is correct and masculine emotionality is not, which is quite telling. It's no wonder that psychology is a female-dominated field.
Toxic masculinity is not anything courage. It's acting out of fear through unnecessary violence in situations that do not warrant it. It is believing that you are entitled to get what you want, when you want it, how you want it. Without ever having to acknowledge that the people you are exploiting are human too. It is the male embodiment of late stage capitalism (fractals). I'm stronger so give me all the power and I'm emotionally underdeveloped so I'll hurt everyone including myself.
All of this sloopy philosophy is very cute, but none of this is scientific. If you are trying to hold psychology at the status of a science you cannot work with any of that. If you are going to work in this framework you have no business giving psychology the status of a scientific field of medicine. Fucking NONE.
Toxic masculinity is weak. Its taking all the violent and protective impulses and societal programming you receive as a man and turning it against other people. There isnt anything wrong with being a man, hell be a violent man for all I care as long its used to protect other people. When your maleness is tempered by compassion and understanding, you will self-actualize faster than the speed of light
I believe technically it's a clarinet, not a violin, and by "kind of hipster music" I am referring to the underlying music edited in here to make Zizeks' sound bytes sound smart. I find it kind of unnecessary, distracting and even a little insulting, in the kind of way that companies put a looping ukalele in their promotions to make them sound artistic and creative, when they really aren't. Zizek usually *IS* quite smart in what he says, tics and all, and needs no "hipster jingle" underneath his words to make them sound smarter. Hope this explains to you my meaning.
The toxic part is when you always act like that. But I think he is correct in not wanting it to be medicalized. It's a socialisation and broader systemic issue that you can't address with pills.
@@SYIdotCC- Toxic masculinity originally doesn't refer to a personality. It refers to a certain set of societal expectations towards men that leads to harmful behavior. And men themselves are victims of this harm too. Take for example the expectation that men just never show any emotions or vulnerability - a direct effect of that is the high rates of male suicide. But I agree that weaponizing this originally academic term just to insult people is bad.
@@Diogenes_ofSinope and what wrong in societal expectations!? And how's showing emotions is going to help men anyways!? Suicide amongst men is definitely not because that they don't express their emotions but because of other things
I think he really hit the nail on the head when he said that toxic masculinity is more of a social construct than something psychological. One thing that I have really been thinking a lot about since learning more about gender equality is how a lot of sexism and misogyny has just been so normalized that it's been enculturated into the idea of what it means to be a man.
How can you tell? How do you want to treat it? How do you treat being a douche? And of course women who use microagressions or gossip to humiliate other women or men are not included in people who are "medically ill". Am I right? It's just men who are toxic, because it's tied to masculinity itself?
Honestly, this feels is Zizek at his populist worst, referring to some vague pill, etc. I don’t know the full context of this, but this sound byte is rubbish imo
When it's in the context of a time that it is needed, it is not by definition toxic masculinity. Toxic masculinity is only an issue where an exceptionally rigid understanding of masculinity is not needed
That last part didn't make sense. Isn't courage more related to fear than anger? And if someone is not only hurting others but also themselves then there is clearly something wrong here. Let's not pretend most examples of toxic masculinity is just a witch hunt against courage or something.
When he mentioned courage, he meant that the person is angry because of a difficult situation but that person is not willing to disclose the details of the issue to others ... why? There are multiple "why's", for example, to avoid wasting time, or because he already knows how to solve it but hates what he needs to do to resolve it, or does not want to worry/trouble/bother others with his problems, etc. Being under pressure can make you say things and behave in a way that while being ok, you would not ... and the troubled person only wants to solve the issue .... so yeah, it takes courage to decide to face your own big problems by yourself without anyhelp, this is done by both men and women and it is not toxic masculinity as they say.
The best medicine against toxic masculinity is not femininity, but good and honorabel masculinity. I really like the quote “a gentleman is never rude by accident”.
@@vapingfury4460where did you get the idea that women are better than men in expressing themselves without hurting others better than men. I don't see any significant difference.
@@klb9672 the fact that men chide other men about opening up or crying in front of eachother. Men are taught that the only way to express upsetting emotions is through rage and anger. Women are socialized to believe that its ok if you cry or express vulnerability. We as men must show other men that it's ok and women are the example when it comes to expressing vulnerability.
@@vapingfury4460 you're wrong men are taught to have self control about their emotions and to be resilient. What's actually lacking is not that men are taught one or the other is that they aren't taught feminine traits too. They aren't considered important. They are only taught only one set of qualities. The boys shouldn't cry is a symptom of that not a cause. Also you have to consider that parents can't really expect society to change. For boys crying in public or even in private like women do (unless it's for a very specific reason like the death of someone ) does more damage than good in the long run. I personally have had that experience and because of that I was treated as lesser and bullied in middle school. Stopped doing that in highschool and became tougher at least in appearance and I didn't get so. A classmate did what I did at middle school and became the joke of the class and the one who bullied him the most. Girls did that too and sometimes yes he did get sympathy just like I did at middle school especially from girls but eventually in the long run that was turned into disrespect, treated as less and sometimes even a bullying person which you got sympathy from . Boys who do not cry or show vulnerability are usually much better off because of this. In order for culture to change you need several years maybe decades even so as individuals boys and men living now in most of the world don't have the luxury of crying or showing too much vulnerability because they will face grave consequences. One of the reasons why some men become incel is absolutely this because they were hurt by men and women because of showing those emotions and insecurities. It's not men not being able to show these emotions that causes the problem is the treatment they get after showing these emotions and vulnerabilities. Men who were wiser and at least pretended to suck it up in public have had it much better. So no in many cases boys as individuals should suck it up ( at least only in appearance ) at because the alternative considering the current culture will give much more severe consequences. Sorry but you can't possibly give an advice like that to boys like many people say it's okay to show vulnerability or not . It's depended on the world being a better place which it's not. I took that advice and I paid dearly because of it.
It is horrible phrase with a horrible meaning. It just toxic behaviour that both man and woman exhibit. It's Malice.It has always been Malice. The term is just an attack on man same as mansplaining .
It would depend on the situation. They believed in a net positive for the world. If this action resulted in good, then it's a good deed, and the person is a good person. If it resulted in a net bad then the opposite would be true, for the stoics.
@@niclasjohansson5992 1. So, what you're trying to tell me is that the end would have to justify the means is what they would approve of? 2. How does one exactly measure a "net-positive for the world"? Are you implying we'd have to wait until the "damage" is done to find out if it is indeed a "net-positive"? 3. I hope this response of yours does not apply to this nonsensical and insane idea of the pharmaceutical companies trying to drug up males they deem having "toxic masculinity".
Yeah but dude the problem is acting like that all the time. Like clearly its beneficial to be able to experience the broadest array of human emotion - as needed. Cutting yourself off all the time is the reason why our sociability is at risk across a variety of different social classes including men. This impulse undermines our ability to enact mutual aid and is counter to the reason we started doing civilization in the first fucking place. 'Toxic masculinity' is so fucking obviously a culture war framing of a very real set of social conditions. I don't think masculinity causes these behaviors because there are plenty of masculine people out there who don't act like that. Zizek you're smoking straight 'paterialism' with this one. (Although I also don't agree with the pathological framing of this issue either by the APA, but also I fucking doubt what he's talking about would ever happen)
Its the weaponisation of sex specific behaviours it's actually insane, if a woman doesn't reach out and internalises her anger and fits their description of toxic masculinity what? That woman is toxicly masculine?
There's no such thing as sex specific behaviours in a social setting. Everyone adopts behaviours from others don't act like your born to shun others for emotionally expressing themselves or that men shouldn't open up to others.
@@marcokonst4144 You know those memes are old asf right? Not to mention unfunny, but I'll` humor you if you show some good faith. Using the attack helicopter as a comparison for gender is stupid because that is a thing that exists to identify helicopter and it's usage. Gender is a social construct, there's no use to identify as a helicopter because there's no behaviours or attributes associated with it, unlike genders like man or women there are behaviours and expectations associated with it, like wearing dresses or suits, how you talk or present yourself in general in which society identifies you as a man or woman. I have a feeling though that you don't actually want to engage with what I've said since people who quote memes from 2016 generally won't give any good faith in arguing these topics
Since when the fuck was “Just let me deal with MY shit!” toxic masculinity?! I’m with Zizek on this one, not everyone needs to see your private battles and to see you at your worst. Often, that NEEDS to be a lonely place that you yourself get out of.
I agree it can be courageous to just deal with your shit on your own and not burden others. However, when you are UNABLE to turn to others when you're facing a huge problem and you need help, e.g. because you believe it NEEDS to be a lonely work, or you HAVE to make it on your own, then I believe it is an unhealthy attitude.
Yes like im in domestic abuse situation, i withdrew into myself to protect, and lash out to maintain boundaries, this is until i get out, which i am in the process of doing.
Adaptations can become maladaptive though. Fat stores energy, but obesity causes many health problems. Stress hormones help you deal with immediate threats, but chronic stress hurts your immune system…
It takes courage for both , taking a burden upon yourself takes courage but it also takes courage to sacrifice your pride to ask for help in taking the burden , ive always said the most important thing for us as individuals is to also look after ourselves first aswell as your people , because if we dont survive , if we arent healthy or prepared , we cannot be there for others , yes extreme situations call for extreme measures , if a buildings burning you will burn to save your children or anyone if youre that type of person , but generally you should put yourself on the same level of care you give to your family , not above or below
I love zizek because he’s so incredibly educated but he’s still an old man. He’ll bring up some Facebook-boomer level shit like ‘they’re making a pill for toxic masculinity’ like what?! Where did you hear this?😂
@@ShaharIshog-lx7pi I’m pretty sure I’ve heard zizek bring up the ‘litter boxes in school’ fake news before. I’m not trying to disparage him whatsoever. I’m just saying it’s funny that older people’s algorithms feed them the more sensational stories.
@@Sbeeyuiik If he knows people from this circle which published such a terminology, he might also get some inside news, maybe finally not implemented as a real product. On the other hand - would you believe 10 years ago that anti obesity pills start really working? But now it's true - companies which sell those pills are skyrocketing on the market.
I think he also refers to a critic of the position of defining male as necessarily (innately) aggressive. The radical feminists discourse, with its bias and naive reductionist arguments helps to this insane state of affairs.
Hearing Zizek say "You know, what fucked me there..." is something else 😂 i thought "that's awfully native talk for someone who speaks it as a second language" 😂
Thought this was BS but looked it up and yea he is right, many have made the comparison to femail hysteria and how it wouldent be accepted today. We truly live in a south park sketch.
Rare Slavoj L Barely missed the point. He looks at it as individual cases when toxic masculinity is more of a pattern or behavior of toxic aggressiveness used to protect a weak male mind from nonexistent threats
He said something like that but probably you listen only a part of that explanation, if so you should listen all of his talk about the subject. But if you listen all his explanation about that statement to completion and think you can simply take that statement out of context, the intended meaning of that statement probably flied over your head and i think you should listen that again and think about it more. @@gg-sr9lq
No, it refers to behaviours and attitudes about how men act that hurt people including themselves. Like emotionally being withdrawn, struggles of showing emotions or making fun of others for expressing themselves.
@@vapingfury4460That is a very stupid meaning because even woman do the same thing. It is nothing but an attack on man. It just a toxic behaviour that all humans exhibit. It's Malice.
@@MariAmmanStudio do you want worse? Normative Male Alexithymia Combine this with centuries of social indoctrination, and you see why men have such difficulty in dealing with emotion.
As with everything in life, context matters. It's one thing to act out aggressively to do important tasks, it's quite another to act in the same way because you can't get it in.
It’s also quite another thing to assume that “right thinking “ people can isolate, medicalize, treat and reform complex human behavior into an instrumentalized behavior of our liking.
I think a more sincere analysis would be that what Zizek is speaking of, the behavior he's thinking of is actually still a venerable attitude; sometimes you have to act like this, yes. But American psychology isn't trying to medicalize that; they're trying to prescribe mental care to men who enclose themselves and act out aggressively compulsively or habitually even when the situation has no call for said behavior. At that point it's a pattern of behavior that serves no purpose, marginalizes the male in question, and continues to harm their mental health and possibly the physical health of those around them. FFS Zizek don't be so sensitive.
I do agree that courage can come from looking out for ones best interest while negating the interest of the others but most crimes also come from that same perspective. Its okay to be masculine, but too much can be toxic
Yet not every man is going to return from a war, even in that case there are countless incidents when soldiers express difficulties of showing their vulnerable sides and they do it in front of shrinks. Men who have this steel exterior underneath which they keep hurting yet are taught not to express those bottled up feelings through crying, not even in front of their close ones, what form of courage are they intending to show and to whom. People doing white collar jobs, blue collar jobs, let's say IT jobs, they can show those emotions, right? Or is it out of courage they are not?
Look. Feeling anxious is a normal thing, but when it becomes a daily occurance, when you find it difficult to function, then its a disorder. Now i havent heard of toxic masculinity beeing medicalised personally, but even if it is, it doesent mean that masculinity itself is beeing medicalised, and its not. Toxic masculinity is not when you occasionally act out from frustration, but a persistant attitude that a person has towards the world. He is conflaiting courage with agression. What is a mental illness other than a really amped up version of an othrwise normal behaviour? I think the lable of "toxic masculinity" is misleading, because thease traits in an amped up way can be had by woman as well. The key is that masculinity becomes toxic when it starts beeing harmful to the person or others. Is courage when we hurt others and ourselves? No. Sure that might be a concequence of our actions, but it surely isnt a defining feature. Have a good day
If toxic masculinity is acting stupid in some situation by hurting yourself and others then it doesn't fit in a civilised society. Forget about civilians, imagine leaders acting like that? That's not courage but stupidity acting upon emotions. Sorry Zizek but we evolved from that. Masculinity is good for a reason as you could see it is lacking in young generation.
have to disagree with em here, while i don’t think it’s a mental illness it’s definitely an attitude and a way that people handle themselves, it exists but taking pills for it isn’t the answer as he says lol
@@Sunrah I have no preconceptions of him lol. You don't need to assume things about me, to defend him. Everyone has bad takes, I didn't even mean it in a bad way lol
Because he's not understanding what they're documenting to clinically diagnose it as a facet of personality disorders. It's like Narcissism or ASPD, not like Leukemia or Polio.
So I think Zizek may be misreading a bit into what APA said about it. Just like 'rotten apple' doesn't mean all apples are rotten, but rather that 'that specific apple is rotten', toxic masculinity doesn't mean all masculinity is toxic, but rather that there are some things masculinity precribes that are toxic(i.e. harmful, specifically, harmful to those who are masculine i.e. mostly men). So yeah, being courageous is not something that's a part of toxic masculinity(But remember, if someone demands that men be courageous no matter what just because they're a man, then this will hurt men and by definition, will be an example of toxic masculinity.) Some examples of toxic masculinity are- "boys don't cry" "man up" "men don't show emotions" "stop being a sissy. women don't like feminine men" You might notice that this socialisation leads to many problems in men when they grow up, which is why it's called toxic. It hurts us, it's toxic to us. Of course, there's always positive aspects of masculinity, just as there's toxic femininity and femininity that isn't toxic. Toxic femininity- "don't eat too much, women should not be fat" "act like a lady" "don't talk loud" "stop being so boyish, men don't like women who are intimidating"
So your definition of healthy masculinity is being weak, not controlling your emotions, being feminine. While healthy femininity is not giving fuck about anything including your own health and looks, not giving a fuck about other people, have no manners and be masculine lol. Generally all the things you called toxic are good advises, especially those for men if you phrased them differently. Be strong, be brave, be disciplined, be stoic in public places, don't let minor things bother you. All you have to do is not humiliate someone because they're weak but help them get strong. I'm not a woman and I don't feel competent to give advises but being thin (healthy) and polite (don't talk loud, don't be annoying) are good qualities in both men and women.
Also, how do you want to treat "toxic masculinity"? How do you medically treat someone who's a douche? In normal countries and normal countries and normal cultures (for example those based on christian values and codex of chivalry) being agressive for no reason is just deemed wrong and that's it. How do you want to treat that? And who decides if you're a "toxic male". You neo-marxist are going nuts. I guess you're from Canada or some other sh*thole like that.
How exactly is it courage to bottle up your emotions and act out in violent ways that are destructive to yourself and others? I don’t agree with the diagnosis, but this argument he makes doesn’t help.
I think this is a bit out of date since I'm not aware of any medicalization of the term toxic masculinity, and it is not really what what zizek said it is here. Toxic masculinity is for example, our of manliness, refusing to ask for directions when you are lost, or not reaching out to other during difficult emotional times. That is not courage it's self destructive and derives from the social male gender identity
Dude, you're talking out of your ass here. Wanting to do things your way of your own accord isnt toxic. Frustrating to passengers of your vehicle? Sure - but not toxic. Wanting to handle your emotions on your own instead of being reliant on others isnt toxic. You wimps literally call everything toxic that you are incapable of doing yourself. Just so you know, most people don't agree with your dumb ideologies, so you can stop and grow up now.
@@NIL0Sooohh eloquent usage of the word "boomer". You showed him with that original, super edgy insult. Phew. Dont you need to be figuring out which bathroom to use today?
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another reason for men to not go to psychiatry, mfs can give you feminine medication because you are way too masculine or aggressive lmao
Zizek?!? You didn’t get the memo or you didn’t want to read it in regard to the past…?!?
Ideology is what is useful for those in power to use whenever it is necessary to confuse the masses and make them obedient.
You make a discussion about this as if you don’t see that this is just another way to divid people and make a new band of useful idiots!
Welcome to the Clown-Word! Welcome to the New Priesthood! Welcome to the decline and a beginning of a new and improved version of the old lie: society is civil and a general good.
Zizek?!? You didn’t get the memo or you didn’t want to read it in regard to the past…?!?
Ideology is what is useful for those in power to use whenever it is necessary to confuse the masses and make them obedient.
You’re shocked? I don’t believe you are…You are making a discussion about this as if you don’t see that this is just another way to divide people and make a new band of useful idiots! You know history; your know about communism, facism and the rampant developments of what was liberalism of the past until now!
Welcome to the Clown-Word! Welcome to the New Priesthood! Welcome to the decline and a beginning of a new and improved version of the old lie:
society is civil and a general good.
He's not just spitting facts he's straight up spitting
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This statement is so old brother.
Did you also post it for your pound of laughs.
This does not disappoint
@@haroonmohammed6351it will never not be funny
@@TheSuperGuitarGuy I've heard the GOAT jokes. This ain't one of them
Makes me think how hysteria was a female psychological disease for unsatisfied women. I thought we grew beyond that. That we understood that there were other underlying dissatisfactions for the "symptoms".
If we are going to reason like this and let toxic masculinity become a disease we have to at least reintroduce hysteria since the underlying reasoning of neglecting someone's dissatisfaction because of their inability to express themselves is the same.
well there is toxic feminitiy too. Its just not talked about.
This sounds like a good comparison on the surface, they share similarities but it's a false equivalence. You cannot equate the current mass ideological indoctrination program, globalised through both the globalisation of culture and technology, and being driven by a slew of logical fallacies and manipulative double-think from the majority of the populace who censor and shutdown any allowance of conversation with the systems of a primitive mental health "service" (for lack of a better term) who performed abhorrent acts of control and probably gaslighting under the guise of what we now retrospectively consider bigotry. One is a mass mechanism of social control affecting every soul on the planet for better or worse, and one is you moralising over the actions of people long dead. If you thought more critically and a little deeper perhaps you would not behave in such a way.
Well said
@@puddleglum9179wouldn't that prove that it is more a general human toxicity but manifests differently in men than in women than it is some innate gender determined toxicity
@@chideraalexanderdex547 well the toxicity I'm talking about is specifically gendered.
Like toxic masculinity would be a guy not being able to cry publicly because it would make the people around him uncomfortable to see a man cry.
Toxic femininity would be a woman crying loudly in public to get attention and have someone else solve their problem. Not a common thing, for sure but I hope it gets at what I'm saying. Or another example that is more common would be a woman that constantly infantelizes herself so she can be taken care of by a stronger man.
People who have toxic gender traits are woman and man and are both vapid and annoying people who overly rely on gender characteristics to keep a sense of self and control.
Now why do we only talk about toxic masculinity? It's because the feminist movement is organized, woman are aware of the problem they face (rape, abuse, financial reliance) these are all problem that guys don't really have and these are problems caused mostly by gender expectations on the guy side.
On the other hand, There is no man's rights movement for man's rights. It's mostly just opposition to women's rights which is weird and nothing else. That's why masculinity is so weird nowadays.
We know it needs to change but no one wants to point a direction.
Hey please turn the music down a bit. Love your content but thats the only thing i think is really unnecessary
Even Zizek is against the soy boy pills
always has been, thats also the reason why he wanted to debate peterson in the first place
i wonder how he evaluates that talk by now
Agree or not with Slavoj in political philosophy but the dude is based
Actually soya doesn't cause estrogen. Interestingly processed meat does.
@@murphy7801Soy doesn’t make us produce estrogen, but has compounds that can act as xenoestrogens
@@murphy7801 and cigarettes don't cause cancer. And 1/2 your calories should come from breakfast cereal. And global warming is going to kill us by 2020. And the vaccine for that they rolled out in 9 months flat is safe.
Toxic masculinity started out as a good and valid critique of macho bullshit, but it can be easily used to neuter critiques of hierarchy. Aggression isn't good or bad inherently.
We might have different definition of aggression. For me it means violently overreacting and not having your actions under control. Violence is sometimes needed but aggression never ever helped anything.
toxic masculinity is when you think you are an alpha until you get humbled by a weakling looking man and then you get grounded to reality
I don't think people think aggression is bad. It's about negative behaviours and attitudes that emotionally stunt men
Aggression towards innocent others is bad.
@@gaghhuh2943Shallow thinking.
Expand.
Go deeper.
It’s worth saying that “toxic masculinity” isn’t being described the same way as depression, it’s being described the same way as narcissism. That being a potential healthy instinct that is being acted on inappropriately. No one is medicating it but they are defining it so therapists can discuss it.
Edit: For the love of god you guys need to touch grass. Women aren't out to get you, men aren't under attack, and yelling in a reply to a RUclips comment "What about toxic FEMININITY?" is a cosmically sad activity.
This is a weak point by Slavoj Zizek, it's not a philosophical question it's a scientific one. You can justify this point either way, (lo and behold he's justifying his bias) what you need is an objective measuring stick.
That said, I think the term "toxic masculinity" is idiotic, because it describes how other people see it, not what it is.
If we called a wild animal growling at people "Toxic animality", we would be ignoring the fact that it is an animal in distress.
If you call it what it is, something like masculine emotional retardation, you would understand it's a social construct that specifically stunts men's ability to effectively convey emotions in a way that instills empathy.
The more I listen to Zizek, the more I question how insightful he really is. He's charismatic for sure, but his words always seems more polemic than useful in anyway.
Pretty straightforward observation here folks.
@@ocek2744lol, it's always men's fault. If you demonise men who look upto "toxic masculine" influences online, without caring to ask them what it is in those influencers that appeals to them, you're not going to instill positive change.
@@ocek2744 I would argue that the constant obsession with emotionality, self-expression, and neuroticism is more indicative of emotional retardation, because it displays a lack of emotional regulation. The core assumption here is that feminine emotionality is correct and masculine emotionality is not, which is quite telling. It's no wonder that psychology is a female-dominated field.
Toxic masculinity is not anything courage. It's acting out of fear through unnecessary violence in situations that do not warrant it.
It is believing that you are entitled to get what you want, when you want it, how you want it. Without ever having to acknowledge that the people you are exploiting are human too.
It is the male embodiment of late stage capitalism (fractals). I'm stronger so give me all the power and I'm emotionally underdeveloped so I'll hurt everyone including myself.
All of this sloopy philosophy is very cute, but none of this is scientific. If you are trying to hold psychology at the status of a science you cannot work with any of that.
If you are going to work in this framework you have no business giving psychology the status of a scientific field of medicine. Fucking NONE.
Toxic masculinity is weak. Its taking all the violent and protective impulses and societal programming you receive as a man and turning it against other people.
There isnt anything wrong with being a man, hell be a violent man for all I care as long its used to protect other people.
When your maleness is tempered by compassion and understanding, you will self-actualize faster than the speed of light
The words "SOME situations" are doing 99% of the work
zizek got bought out, desperate old fool
What is with the hipster music loop over these shorts 😂
Hipster? Were you born in 1605?
What kind of hipster music are you listening to that uses a classic violin
I believe technically it's a clarinet, not a violin, and by "kind of hipster music" I am referring to the underlying music edited in here to make Zizeks' sound bytes sound smart. I find it kind of unnecessary, distracting and even a little insulting, in the kind of way that companies put a looping ukalele in their promotions to make them sound artistic and creative, when they really aren't. Zizek usually *IS* quite smart in what he says, tics and all, and needs no "hipster jingle" underneath his words to make them sound smarter. Hope this explains to you my meaning.
@NIL0S I get what you mean, honestly. At least its leagues better than those overplayed tiktok famous phonk songs
@@surkhabsingh5856 Zizek with phonk drops.... Now that I would almost want to see 😂😂😂
Implying only men do that is insane
Anybody know what this piece is from? I want to see the full video
did you find it?
likewise
The toxic part is when you always act like that. But I think he is correct in not wanting it to be medicalized. It's a socialisation and broader systemic issue that you can't address with pills.
@@SYIdotCC- Toxic masculinity originally doesn't refer to a personality. It refers to a certain set of societal expectations towards men that leads to harmful behavior. And men themselves are victims of this harm too.
Take for example the expectation that men just never show any emotions or vulnerability - a direct effect of that is the high rates of male suicide.
But I agree that weaponizing this originally academic term just to insult people is bad.
@@SYIdotCC- Hell no I've met people who were genuinely abrasive to their core. Toxic personalities do exist.
"Wrong" -Astra Zenica
@@Diogenes_ofSinope and what wrong in societal expectations!? And how's showing emotions is going to help men anyways!? Suicide amongst men is definitely not because that they don't express their emotions but because of other things
@@Diogenes_ofSinopeagreed. It mostly was coined to help men, but now it's sorta being weaponized.
I think he really hit the nail on the head when he said that toxic masculinity is more of a social construct than something psychological. One thing that I have really been thinking a lot about since learning more about gender equality is how a lot of sexism and misogyny has just been so normalized that it's been enculturated into the idea of what it means to be a man.
I don't think so.
It’s definitely biological. That’s why it’s universal across all cultures
Can someone please post the link to the original APA source Zizek is refering to? I wasn't able to find the document with the 'definition'.
In SOME situations, not ALL situations. Because it's a fall back behavior to ALL situations that's why it's classified as toxic.
How can you tell?
How do you want to treat it?
How do you treat being a douche?
And of course women who use microagressions or gossip to humiliate other women or men are not included in people who are "medically ill".
Am I right? It's just men who are toxic, because it's tied to masculinity itself?
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the point
@vinillone5458
Don't start brah
Ask these guys.
Honestly, this feels is Zizek at his populist worst, referring to some vague pill, etc.
I don’t know the full context of this, but this sound byte is rubbish imo
who was the man in charge of that study in the first place
When it's in the context of a time that it is needed, it is not by definition toxic masculinity. Toxic masculinity is only an issue where an exceptionally rigid understanding of masculinity is not needed
That last part didn't make sense. Isn't courage more related to fear than anger? And if someone is not only hurting others but also themselves then there is clearly something wrong here. Let's not pretend most examples of toxic masculinity is just a witch hunt against courage or something.
When he mentioned courage, he meant that the person is angry because of a difficult situation but that person is not willing to disclose the details of the issue to others ... why? There are multiple "why's", for example, to avoid wasting time, or because he already knows how to solve it but hates what he needs to do to resolve it, or does not want to worry/trouble/bother others with his problems, etc. Being under pressure can make you say things and behave in a way that while being ok, you would not ... and the troubled person only wants to solve the issue .... so yeah, it takes courage to decide to face your own big problems by yourself without anyhelp, this is done by both men and women and it is not toxic masculinity as they say.
Making something as vage as that an illness is irresponsible.
I'm right-wing but I love listening to Žižek, such an insighful and interesting man. Probably one of my favourite modern philosophers
The best medicine against toxic masculinity is not femininity, but good and honorabel masculinity.
I really like the quote “a gentleman is never rude by accident”.
Why? Men must learn from women on how to express oneself without hurting others or themselves.
@@vapingfury4460where did you get the idea that women are better than men in expressing themselves without hurting others better than men. I don't see any significant difference.
@@klb9672 the fact that men chide other men about opening up or crying in front of eachother. Men are taught that the only way to express upsetting emotions is through rage and anger.
Women are socialized to believe that its ok if you cry or express vulnerability. We as men must show other men that it's ok and women are the example when it comes to expressing vulnerability.
@@vapingfury4460 you're wrong men are taught to have self control about their emotions and to be resilient. What's actually lacking is not that men are taught one or the other is that they aren't taught feminine traits too. They aren't considered important.
They are only taught only one set of qualities. The boys shouldn't cry is a symptom of that not a cause.
Also you have to consider that parents can't really expect society to change.
For boys crying in public or even in private like women do (unless it's for a very specific reason like the death of someone ) does more damage than good in the long run. I personally have had that experience and because of that I was treated as lesser and bullied in middle school. Stopped doing that in highschool and became tougher at least in appearance and I didn't get so.
A classmate did what I did at middle school and became the joke of the class and the one who bullied him the most. Girls did that too and sometimes yes he did get sympathy just like I did at middle school especially from girls but eventually in the long run that was turned into disrespect, treated as less and sometimes even a bullying person which you got sympathy from .
Boys who do not cry or show vulnerability are usually much better off because of this.
In order for culture to change you need several years maybe decades even so as individuals boys and men living now in most of the world don't have the luxury of crying or showing too much vulnerability because they will face grave consequences.
One of the reasons why some men become incel is absolutely this because they were hurt by men and women because of showing those emotions and insecurities. It's not men not being able to show these emotions that causes the problem is the treatment they get after showing these emotions and vulnerabilities.
Men who were wiser and at least pretended to suck it up in public have had it much better.
So no in many cases boys as individuals should suck it up ( at least only in appearance ) at because the alternative considering the current culture will give much more severe consequences. Sorry but you can't possibly give an advice like that to boys like many people say it's okay to show vulnerability or not . It's depended on the world being a better place which it's not.
I took that advice and I paid dearly because of it.
The problem the term "toxic masculinity" refers to is a real one, but putting it in such terms is pretty triggering for many...
It is horrible phrase with a horrible meaning. It just toxic behaviour that both man and woman exhibit. It's Malice.It has always been Malice. The term is just an attack on man same as mansplaining .
I wonder what would the Stoics think of such people.
It would depend on the situation. They believed in a net positive for the world. If this action resulted in good, then it's a good deed, and the person is a good person. If it resulted in a net bad then the opposite would be true, for the stoics.
Yea, stoicism is marketable bullshit anyway
@@niclasjohansson5992 1. So, what you're trying to tell me is that the end would have to justify the means is what they would approve of?
2. How does one exactly measure a "net-positive for the world"? Are you implying we'd have to wait until the "damage" is done to find out if it is indeed a "net-positive"?
3. I hope this response of yours does not apply to this nonsensical and insane idea of the pharmaceutical companies trying to drug up males they deem having "toxic masculinity".
@@the_northfacethe stoics don't really talk about positive or negative, they instead use the word virtue.
stoicism is self-tyranny
Abandon the cities. All the social pathologies are in the cities. Therapists are basically activists nowadays
Yeah but dude the problem is acting like that all the time. Like clearly its beneficial to be able to experience the broadest array of human emotion - as needed. Cutting yourself off all the time is the reason why our sociability is at risk across a variety of different social classes including men. This impulse undermines our ability to enact mutual aid and is counter to the reason we started doing civilization in the first fucking place. 'Toxic masculinity' is so fucking obviously a culture war framing of a very real set of social conditions. I don't think masculinity causes these behaviors because there are plenty of masculine people out there who don't act like that. Zizek you're smoking straight 'paterialism' with this one. (Although I also don't agree with the pathological framing of this issue either by the APA, but also I fucking doubt what he's talking about would ever happen)
Its the weaponisation of sex specific behaviours it's actually insane, if a woman doesn't reach out and internalises her anger and fits their description of toxic masculinity what? That woman is toxicly masculine?
There's no such thing as sex specific behaviours in a social setting. Everyone adopts behaviours from others don't act like your born to shun others for emotionally expressing themselves or that men shouldn't open up to others.
@@vapingfury4460 that's stupid then "the bois only" memes wouldn't exist
@@vapingfury4460 are u a non bimodal attack helicopter?
@@marcokonst4144 You know those memes are old asf right? Not to mention unfunny, but I'll` humor you if you show some good faith. Using the attack helicopter as a comparison for gender is stupid because that is a thing that exists to identify helicopter and it's usage.
Gender is a social construct, there's no use to identify as a helicopter because there's no behaviours or attributes associated with it, unlike genders like man or women there are behaviours and expectations associated with it, like wearing dresses or suits, how you talk or present yourself in general in which society identifies you as a man or woman.
I have a feeling though that you don't actually want to engage with what I've said since people who quote memes from 2016 generally won't give any good faith in arguing these topics
@vapingfury4460 I ain't readin allat you vaping meatball confused about its gender
Since when the fuck was “Just let me deal with MY shit!” toxic masculinity?! I’m with Zizek on this one, not everyone needs to see your private battles and to see you at your worst. Often, that NEEDS to be a lonely place that you yourself get out of.
I agree it can be courageous to just deal with your shit on your own and not burden others.
However, when you are UNABLE to turn to others when you're facing a huge problem and you need help, e.g. because you believe it NEEDS to be a lonely work, or you HAVE to make it on your own, then I believe it is an unhealthy attitude.
@@jakubdomes4954that's not toxic masculinity though just not having someone you can trust .
Nice movie is he speaking about, when its released?
You have many versions of "The Count of Monte Cristo".
Yes like im in domestic abuse situation, i withdrew into myself to protect, and lash out to maintain boundaries, this is until i get out, which i am in the process of doing.
Partially correct.
Bro is spittin, literally.
He touches is nose when he gets excited. Best tick ever.
Adaptations can become maladaptive though. Fat stores energy, but obesity causes many health problems. Stress hormones help you deal with immediate threats, but chronic stress hurts your immune system…
It takes courage for both , taking a burden upon yourself takes courage but it also takes courage to sacrifice your pride to ask for help in taking the burden , ive always said the most important thing for us as individuals is to also look after ourselves first aswell as your people , because if we dont survive , if we arent healthy or prepared , we cannot be there for others , yes extreme situations call for extreme measures , if a buildings burning you will burn to save your children or anyone if youre that type of person , but generally you should put yourself on the same level of care you give to your family , not above or below
That man spitting. Keep on spittin in that shit unc!!
The best way to cure toxic masculinity is to have a Snockers 😊
Wow, I agree with Zizek.
Zizek, you rule! Top shit!! ❤
Never liked the term anyway. Easily replaced by " shitty behavior".
I love zizek because he’s so incredibly educated but he’s still an old man. He’ll bring up some Facebook-boomer level shit like ‘they’re making a pill for toxic masculinity’ like what?! Where did you hear this?😂
Clearly you have no idea what he’s talking about nor do you understand hes philosophy or books
@@ShaharIshog-lx7piShow us where the toxic masculinity pills are then
@@ShaharIshog-lx7pi I’m pretty sure I’ve heard zizek bring up the ‘litter boxes in school’ fake news before.
I’m not trying to disparage him whatsoever. I’m just saying it’s funny that older people’s algorithms feed them the more sensational stories.
@@Sbeeyuiik If he knows people from this circle which published such a terminology, he might also get some inside news, maybe finally not implemented as a real product. On the other hand - would you believe 10 years ago that anti obesity pills start really working? But now it's true - companies which sell those pills are skyrocketing on the market.
yeah, this is absoutly idiotic
You cant refer to awful societal dynamics as illnesses.
I think he also refers to a critic of the position of defining male as necessarily (innately) aggressive.
The radical feminists discourse, with its bias and naive reductionist arguments helps to this insane state of affairs.
He aint just spitting, hes spitting facts
Hearing Zizek say "You know, what fucked me there..." is something else 😂 i thought "that's awfully native talk for someone who speaks it as a second language" 😂
he said "shocked" though, not "fucked".
Thought this was BS but looked it up and yea he is right, many have made the comparison to femail hysteria and how it wouldent be accepted today.
We truly live in a south park sketch.
I wonder if we have a correlation between the usage of this term and male suicides?
I don't even listen to this guy anymore, I just open the comment section to see comments about him spitting to the audience and touching his nose.
America is evolving backwards
Video edits doing A LOT of work here
can you help me find the original please?
The man becomes more and more whimsical
Sometimes it's really obvious you need to get out more.
Rare Slavoj L
Barely missed the point. He looks at it as individual cases when toxic masculinity is more of a pattern or behavior of toxic aggressiveness used to protect a weak male mind from nonexistent threats
This definition is disgustingly similar to womanly histeria.
Its like trying to medicalize personality disorders...
Horrible comparison, “toxic masculinity” is normal. That personality bs is mental illness,that needs medication.
Every once in awhile this guy is kinda based.
he's always based actually
Wasn’t very based saying stalins genocide was better than hitlers because it was a product of enlightenment 💀
@@gg-sr9lq he explicitly said it wasn't better or worse
He said something like that but probably you listen only a part of that explanation, if so you should listen all of his talk about the subject. But if you listen all his explanation about that statement to completion and think you can simply take that statement out of context, the intended meaning of that statement probably flied over your head and i think you should listen that again and think about it more. @@gg-sr9lq
@@gg-sr9lqTell us you are an npc without saying "I am an npc"
In some situations. Yes but every toxic male person is not couragous they act like spoiled children
Were Ben and Jordan the "friends" who told him about the pills?
do you know what talk this is from?
Do you have some insider information that says they aren’t working on ways to medicate this “medical diagnosis?”
I doubt hes friends with ben or jordan, slavoj is a great marxian philospher way out of their leagues
@@miks_w8945
Lols
@@BobDingus-bh3pdwhat kind of backwards burden of evidence are you promoting here
This may be the only leftist philosopher I have ever heard that I actually agree with
Definition is wrong. Toxic masculinity is hardly limited to "difficult situations."
Toxic masculinity is the absence of masculinity in a male 😢
No, it refers to behaviours and attitudes about how men act that hurt people including themselves. Like emotionally being withdrawn, struggles of showing emotions or making fun of others for expressing themselves.
@@vapingfury4460thanks for elaborating on the effects of the root issue of the behavior
@@vapingfury4460That is a very stupid meaning because even woman do the same thing. It is nothing but an attack on man. It just a toxic behaviour that all humans exhibit. It's Malice.
@@MariAmmanStudio do you want worse?
Normative Male Alexithymia
Combine this with centuries of social indoctrination, and you see why men have such difficulty in dealing with emotion.
You accurately describe the behaviors and actions in the definition of toxic @@vapingfury4460
Slavoj Zijek has not experienced toxic masculinity obviously
As with everything in life, context matters. It's one thing to act out aggressively to do important tasks, it's quite another to act in the same way because you can't get it in.
It’s also quite another thing to assume that “right thinking “ people can isolate, medicalize, treat and reform complex human behavior into an instrumentalized behavior of our liking.
“Thufferin’ Thuccotash! My earphones are thoaked after watching this!”
Sylvester the Cat probably.
Back in the day we called the hem “assholes”.
You’ve got like six logical fallacies in this presentation.
Sometimes Zizek spits truth besides saliva. This time, i think not.
I think a more sincere analysis would be that what Zizek is speaking of, the behavior he's thinking of is actually still a venerable attitude; sometimes you have to act like this, yes.
But American psychology isn't trying to medicalize that; they're trying to prescribe mental care to men who enclose themselves and act out aggressively compulsively or habitually even when the situation has no call for said behavior.
At that point it's a pattern of behavior that serves no purpose, marginalizes the male in question, and continues to harm their mental health and possibly the physical health of those around them.
FFS Zizek don't be so sensitive.
That’s exactly what you were advocating for for years, deal with it now, Slavoj
It’s not courageous to take your problems out on other people. There is a line and sometimes people really do need help.
I do agree that courage can come from looking out for ones best interest while negating the interest of the others but most crimes also come from that same perspective. Its okay to be masculine, but too much can be toxic
There's a jump cut every second. This is so dishonest. Do you think we're stupid?
Yet not every man is going to return from a war, even in that case there are countless incidents when soldiers express difficulties of showing their vulnerable sides and they do it in front of shrinks. Men who have this steel exterior underneath which they keep hurting yet are taught not to express those bottled up feelings through crying, not even in front of their close ones, what form of courage are they intending to show and to whom. People doing white collar jobs, blue collar jobs, let's say IT jobs, they can show those emotions, right? Or is it out of courage they are not?
Bro is older than the country, of which he has citizenship
Not true but I get his grift. Addiction to cocaine is the only thing he’s really concerned will be policed.
i love this comment section, its mostly western "leftists" being confronted with actual leftism
And getting rekt
There is nothing material about this. Its just stupid culture war stuff, leftist care about actual problems.
@@vinillone5458Totally OWNED dude am I right? Fucking kek
@@thevvitch7585 I beg your pardon?
@@vinillone5458He was taking the piss.
Look.
Feeling anxious is a normal thing, but when it becomes a daily occurance, when you find it difficult to function, then its a disorder.
Now i havent heard of toxic masculinity beeing medicalised personally, but even if it is, it doesent mean that masculinity itself is beeing medicalised, and its not.
Toxic masculinity is not when you occasionally act out from frustration, but a persistant attitude that a person has towards the world.
He is conflaiting courage with agression.
What is a mental illness other than a really amped up version of an othrwise normal behaviour?
I think the lable of "toxic masculinity" is misleading, because thease traits in an amped up way can be had by woman as well.
The key is that masculinity becomes toxic when it starts beeing harmful to the person or others.
Is courage when we hurt others and ourselves?
No.
Sure that might be a concequence of our actions, but it surely isnt a defining feature.
Have a good day
Sweat, snot, saliva, all the 3 elements composing his being are on full display
I feel bad for the sound guy who has to clean up after this.
A broken clock and all that.
at this stage I wonder does he know how to play the trumpet?
Wisdom is found within the letter S.
Are you looking at my headgear?!
This is one of his greatest Truth Bombs...
I like to listen to him but every time I hear him I just start salivating 😂
Earbuds are soaking now, cheers.
If toxic masculinity is acting stupid in some situation by hurting yourself and others then it doesn't fit in a civilised society. Forget about civilians, imagine leaders acting like that? That's not courage but stupidity acting upon emotions. Sorry Zizek but we evolved from that. Masculinity is good for a reason as you could see it is lacking in young generation.
Have you met people?
@@ayantandon2333 He has what we call "luxury belief"
The description pretty much describes men in war, especially when the choice to not partake exists.
have to disagree with em here, while i don’t think it’s a mental illness it’s definitely an attitude and a way that people handle themselves, it exists but taking pills for it isn’t the answer as he says lol
That music is like nails on a chalkboard
Holy... We call that courage. A man stands for what he knows. Even when the world is screaming at him to change. Courage
Sure but when you do that in every situation it becomes an illness 😅
Why do his worst takes get recommended to me and since when did he have takes so bad? 😅
Since he started disagreeing with you, obviously.
@@xandercorp6175 Pretty sure he doesn't know me and never disagreed with me directly buddy 😅
@@HlebHD You're even dumber than you seem.
since the moment he doesn't fit your preconceptions of him
@@Sunrah I have no preconceptions of him lol. You don't need to assume things about me, to defend him. Everyone has bad takes, I didn't even mean it in a bad way lol
Because he's not understanding what they're documenting to clinically diagnose it as a facet of personality disorders.
It's like Narcissism or ASPD, not like Leukemia or Polio.
Ome time when I agree with this guy.
So I think Zizek may be misreading a bit into what APA said about it.
Just like 'rotten apple' doesn't mean all apples are rotten, but rather that 'that specific apple is rotten', toxic masculinity doesn't mean all masculinity is toxic, but rather that there are some things masculinity precribes that are toxic(i.e. harmful, specifically, harmful to those who are masculine i.e. mostly men).
So yeah, being courageous is not something that's a part of toxic masculinity(But remember, if someone demands that men be courageous no matter what just because they're a man, then this will hurt men and by definition, will be an example of toxic masculinity.)
Some examples of toxic masculinity are-
"boys don't cry"
"man up"
"men don't show emotions"
"stop being a sissy. women don't like feminine men"
You might notice that this socialisation leads to many problems in men when they grow up, which is why it's called toxic. It hurts us, it's toxic to us. Of course, there's always positive aspects of masculinity, just as there's toxic femininity and femininity that isn't toxic.
Toxic femininity-
"don't eat too much, women should not be fat"
"act like a lady"
"don't talk loud"
"stop being so boyish, men don't like women who are intimidating"
So your definition of healthy masculinity is being weak, not controlling your emotions, being feminine.
While healthy femininity is not giving fuck about anything including your own health and looks, not giving a fuck about other people, have no manners and be masculine lol.
Generally all the things you called toxic are good advises, especially those for men if you phrased them differently. Be strong, be brave, be disciplined, be stoic in public places, don't let minor things bother you. All you have to do is not humiliate someone because they're weak but help them get strong.
I'm not a woman and I don't feel competent to give advises but being thin (healthy) and polite (don't talk loud, don't be annoying) are good qualities in both men and women.
Also, how do you want to treat "toxic masculinity"?
How do you medically treat someone who's a douche?
In normal countries and normal countries and normal cultures (for example those based on christian values and codex of chivalry) being agressive for no reason is just deemed wrong and that's it.
How do you want to treat that?
And who decides if you're a "toxic male".
You neo-marxist are going nuts.
I guess you're from Canada or some other sh*thole like that.
@@MyPrideFlagperfect👍🏻
How exactly is it courage to bottle up your emotions and act out in violent ways that are destructive to yourself and others? I don’t agree with the diagnosis, but this argument he makes doesn’t help.
I need an umbrella
There's nothing more toxic that annoyoing background music.
Hes just frustrated, allow him the space to be him.
I think this is a bit out of date since I'm not aware of any medicalization of the term toxic masculinity, and it is not really what what zizek said it is here. Toxic masculinity is for example, our of manliness, refusing to ask for directions when you are lost, or not reaching out to other during difficult emotional times. That is not courage it's self destructive and derives from the social male gender identity
My godness... refusing to ask for directions when you are lost? This sh't can´t be real.
@@jackbombay1423your boomer dad begs to differ 😂
Dude, you're talking out of your ass here. Wanting to do things your way of your own accord isnt toxic. Frustrating to passengers of your vehicle? Sure - but not toxic.
Wanting to handle your emotions on your own instead of being reliant on others isnt toxic.
You wimps literally call everything toxic that you are incapable of doing yourself. Just so you know, most people don't agree with your dumb ideologies, so you can stop and grow up now.
@@NIL0Sooohh eloquent usage of the word "boomer". You showed him with that original, super edgy insult. Phew.
Dont you need to be figuring out which bathroom to use today?
@@austindouglas268 Please, don´t offend him/her/them. Or you will asked to take your mandatory antimasculinixyl and they will cry for 3 days.
i want my government gibbs for my medical condition
Nah, this time i disagree with zizek
spitting fACTS