Judge: Order in the Court! Lawyer #1 I'll have hamburger and a coke Lawyer #2 I want a pizza and coke Lawyer #1 No! Hamburger and a coke is better! Lawyer #2 No! Pizza and coke is better! Judge: You both are out of order Lawyer #1 and #2 We're Not out of order. You Are Out of order, this whole court is out of order! Judge: In my chambers now! Lawyer #1 Why? Is that where we are having lunch? Lawyer #2 I don't want to have lunch there!
I love how the story came full circle towards the end, with the court reporter failing to inscribe a statement, the very same accusation that started this entire mess. Priceless.
This is such an outstanding channel. It's so refreshing to hear about rigorous thinking, standards of conduct and the expectations of fair dealing in with someone in power who has discretion to act.
Doesn't sound like lawyers I would want representing my case.Yes,we hire lawyers to argue for us in court but,not to argue like children on a playground...
There was a case here in New Orleans, where two attorneys were intrenched in a battle over where to take a deposition. They had TWO hearings on it, and after one attorney filed a motion for reconsideration after the second hearing, the judge denied it and handwrote an order that both attorneys go to the courthouse steps on a certain Saturday morning to "engage in a single iteration of the game rock, paper, scissors." The winner was allowed to select the location of the deposition, and the loser was to compensate a court-appointed witness. Easiest $105 I ever made, my advertised hourly rate as a private detective.
I'm a lawyer and I can be caustic, but I'd be mortified by such an order, let alone to have it go viral. 🙈 Funny, I also use the sandbox analogy in class.
At an F1 race recently a driver complained to the race director about another driver not slowing down for a local yellow flag. The race director replied "you didn't (slow down) either!"
Thank you! I've given expert testimony many times and have seen squabbles. It's entertaining to an outsider. Court reporters are nothing short of amazing.
So Steve, tell me again why I have to invest so much money in going to Law School? I mean, this kind of argument sounds like something I can do RIGHT NOW!
Steve, please remind your subs to refill their decanters and popcorn bowls before watching videos. This is funny stuff and we don't want to miss anything
I wonder how many Court precedings , hampered by Covid Restrictions (ie. IT problems related to Zoom, misunderstandings from speaking/hearing through masks, appearing as a Cat, etc) will be appealed/ re- litigated in '21-'22?
I found this extremely funny, yet equally disconcerting regarding the behavior of the lawyers.... As a former deposition videographer, I've heard a few stories myself... I'm sure you have observed this, where lawyers will fight and bicker during the deposition and at the end of the deposition shake hands and say how's the wife and kids, which I have observed a few times.....
This is why some people refuse to have kids and choose a career instead. How sad it is that sometimes those individuals end up finding, in their careers, the very thing they were trying to avoid. 🤦🏽♂️
Can a judge not tell them straight up “knock it out or your both in contempt” or the like? If grown men are acting like this in front of a judge a little time alone would do them well.
I suggest that the parties move their case to one of the People’s Court™️ type shows where all this unprofessional conduct would actually add to the entertainment value …
Court reporter, arguably the most important person in court, asks attorney to do something. Attorney: NO! -+- Later -+- Attorney: Did you get that objection I made?! Court Reporter: Do you still have your face mask on? Attorney: **SURPRISED PIKACHU FACE** **Starts throwing a tantrum.** **Wonders why they court reporter is "against" them."**
Attorneys tend to do things for a reason and they are the adults in the room. I suspect the witness may have had some damaging things to say and the attorney was trying to refocus attention because the question. Some attorneys are known to have coached their witness and if like "the" question was asked was not prepared for maybe the attorney wanted to shut down the deposition until they had a consultation. (I know, a lot guessing to a motive. I'm just looking for a rational explanation as to what might have been behind the different conduct)
@@1996champs OMG Never heard of his band aides! I have the Turkey episode on the DVR, have to watch it tonight. Just realized, we only got 3 channels in the 70s, and the non PBS channels were pretty snowy, might not have been able to see them.
My one experience in a courtroom where there was a court reporter, the judge made it clear the court reporter was kinda in charge in some ways. That now and then the reporter might speak up and state he did not hear something, and not to be surprised if asked to repeat yourself. Is that not standard? Seems like failing to hear an objection and failing to record it could become an important thing. Try to appeal a case and the appeals court says "you never objected to this during the trial, appeal denied".
Very Python-esque. "An argument is not the automatic gainsaying of what the other person said." - "Yes it is." "No it isn't" - "Yes it is" "This is not an argument!" - "Oh. sorry. You were looking for an argument? That's the next door down the hall." (Paraphrased from memory)
All the depositions I ever sat in on, and there have been more then a few seem to vary depending on the mental age of the attorneys. As part of our Legal Assistant college course we had one where we actually prepared witnesses, did the necessary paperwork that could be done legally for such a meeting, and actually sat beside our assigned attorney for the deposition. I often had the feeling that I and the deposed were the only adults in the room. The one thing I learned readily during the program was that there are a few good attorneys, there are a very few great attorneys and the rest seemed to forget everything they learned in law school and returned to the bare basics they picked up in kindergarten. The very best attorney I ever dealt with was my former partner and assistant Chief on a police Department some 20 years earlier. We were both in the squad car when I pulled over a car load of young ladies for blowing a stop sign. When I got to the car it was obvious the minors were all hammered. I arrested the driver for her first DUI and Minor in possession. Two days later the police commissioner, the Sheriff and The Prosecutor called me into the prosecutor's office and the Police Commissioner ordered me to drop all the charges as the driver was the daughter of the Street Commissioner's Boss. I told them that it was my policy to allow the courts to hear my cases and I did not allow "Special" people special privilege's. I directed my next comment to the States Attorney and told him that since I had arrested her under the State Statute so as to avoid putting the City Judge under the microscope of the Commission it would have to be up to him to move for dismissal in District Court. He said he would not do that because he felt it would breach his duties. Then the Police commissioner asked for my badge and gun. Well the gun was mine so I kept it, which was why they had called in the Sheriff to Insure I would not get to pissed and kill them (They didn't know me very well even after 10 years as service as assistant Chief and later Chief of police) I counter offered saying I would resign if they paid me 4 months severance pay as well as 4 months benefits including full family's insurance. This they agreed to and tried to throw in my dropping charges. I explained that I would rather go to court then show the towns folk what kind of idiots sat in the council chambers, and that since my partner was in the car, he could be the necessary witness for the case. So It happened. I left, my family was nearly torn apart as the city was my wife's home town and my children had all sorts of friends being in grammar school, but life goes on. The drunk girl was indeed convicted. My partner did not get promoted to Chief as was tradition in the department because he too would not back down and when the commission promoted the last hired rookie to Chief only his best friend on the PD stayed and everyone else walked. My assistant said the commission said he was not promoted because he did not have a degree. So he went back to college finished his Batchers and went on to law school, easily passing the bar and has worked as an attorney since he did pass the bar in 1989. He went on to represent me when Workers Comp tried to cut me off after 3 major surgeries trying to repair injury to my spine in a line of duty auto crash. The only bad thing about the whole deal... my buddy became a damn democrat while in Law School!
This entire story smacks of a high school love triangle where all three broke up with each other and are all bitter about it. I cannot image being either the witness or the clients. LOL
I'm a year late but I'd just like to say if I were the claimant in this story I would ask the judge to either delay our court case to a later date or dismiss it entirely. Afterwards I would sue/fire my lawyer for gross misconduct, wasting my time, the courts time, and arguably the most important thing to me; my money.
honestly, I would have loved to be the witness. I'd kick back and just watch this unfold. I'm gonna go with the first lawyer, she didn't transcribe the F U. He has a point LOL
Judge: Order in the Court!
Lawyer #1 I'll have hamburger and a coke
Lawyer #2 I want a pizza and coke
Lawyer #1 No! Hamburger and a coke is better!
Lawyer #2 No! Pizza and coke is better!
Judge: You both are out of order
Lawyer #1 and #2 We're Not out of order. You Are Out of order, this whole court is out of order!
Judge: In my chambers now!
Lawyer #1 Why? Is that where we are having lunch?
Lawyer #2 I don't want to have lunch there!
I love how the story came full circle towards the end, with the court reporter failing to inscribe a statement, the very same accusation that started this entire mess. Priceless.
lol true, no idea why the other attorney felt the need to get involved though.
This is such an outstanding channel. It's so refreshing to hear about rigorous thinking, standards of conduct and the expectations of fair dealing in with someone in power who has discretion to act.
I can almost picture them doing "I'm not touching you" like kids do
"Mom, he/she's looking at me again." "No I'm not!" "Yes, you are". etc, etc
Would love to hear this or similar argument professionally done with case law and notations.
.....and the customer picks up the tab.? Is it a money making scheme.?
Totally 🤣😂
"get along" really does just mean "act very professionally, knowing our jobs, their jobs, and the law" Respect.
Who needs Florida Man, when you have Florida Attorneys 😎
GFY. Florida is awesome.
Doesn't sound like lawyers I would want representing my case.Yes,we hire lawyers to argue for us in court but,not to argue like children on a playground...
Actually, I hire lawyers to protect me from other lawyers...kind of like paying protection $$$ to the mob.
Some clients, especially high ego executive clients (who are paying with corporate money) want the lawyers to engage in this kind of conduct.
Rule No#1. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
I would love to read the Court's full opinion and order. These two sound like an attorney I once worked with.
Did that attorney also forget courtroom decorum and procedures 101: "Don't piss off the judge!"?
Ten minutes of arguing about arguing is a Monty Python sketch!
There was a case here in New Orleans, where two attorneys were intrenched in a battle over where to take a deposition. They had TWO hearings on it, and after one attorney filed a motion for reconsideration after the second hearing, the judge denied it and handwrote an order that both attorneys go to the courthouse steps on a certain Saturday morning to "engage in a single iteration of the game rock, paper, scissors." The winner was allowed to select the location of the deposition, and the loser was to compensate a court-appointed witness. Easiest $105 I ever made, my advertised hourly rate as a private detective.
I'm a lawyer and I can be caustic, but I'd be mortified by such an order, let alone to have it go viral. 🙈 Funny, I also use the sandbox analogy in class.
This is almost directly out of the Monty Python Argument skit. :) Arguing about Arguing.
I imagine it went down something like this:
“Your honor, I object!!”
“Why?”
“Because it’s devastating to my case!”
“Overruled.”
“Good call.”
One of the best LOL moments in Liar Liar
😂😂😂
Any objection with reasoning as stupid as that should be overruled by DEFAULT
I love your stories. The bonus - your voice soothes my dog to a deep sleep so that I can get work done on my latest layout project. Thanks.
Sounds like they may have had a romantic relationship that went awry.
👀👀👀
One of the attorneys is from the firm, Hatfield and Associates, P.C., and the other is from McCoy & McCoy, P.C.
At an F1 race recently a driver complained to the race director about another driver not slowing down for a local yellow flag. The race director replied "you didn't (slow down) either!"
The words Florida and Shenanigans go hand in hand 🤣
I been to that Bar🍸
@@b.arborio2404 Been to Florida also...oh you meant Shenanigans.
I knew it more of a Vermont chain of restaurants with goofy stuff on the walls.
Thank you! I've given expert testimony many times and have seen squabbles. It's entertaining to an outsider.
Court reporters are nothing short of amazing.
Looks like Ben is tucked between the stacks of MCL books on the right above the "W" of the WLLZ sticker.
If not there Ben must be in witness protection somewhere unforseen
@@billcosharek2932 In hiding until the 26th minute
So Steve, tell me again why I have to invest so much money in going to Law School? I mean, this kind of argument sounds like something I can do RIGHT NOW!
Steve that made me think of Monty Python Argument Clinic - The Secret Policeman's Balls. Greetings from the n.w corner of Oregon
Steve! My doctor says I'm too old to laugh for more than 20 minutes straight. You are killing me!!
I thought Court was all about arguments. I guess I was wrong.
This is a very instructional case. Thanks for reviewing it!
Thank you for sharing this information
20 years working together. Is it possible that they....had a relation? Dig?
Lawyers are paid to make arguments 🤦🤦♂️🤦♀️ ta da dum 🥁
That is almost as bad as the jokes that follow most of Steve's videos. 🤣
YES!! Buy a copy of this argument and if it's as good as we suspect, do a video of it...lawyer reader's theater!
I second this idea for a recurring lawyer's theater with Steve Lehto
Have you ever seen lawyers getting into it physically, mr Lehto? Law books flying, pens en garde?
Trial by combat!
Like watching an old batman episode.
What does this type of "sanction" actually do to the attorney, other than embarrassment? I have always appreciated your analysis.
They should be sanctioned for only giving prospective clients 5 minutes on the phone :)
Sounds like the lawyer and the court reporter have something going on outside of court
Probably not anymore!
There is more to this. It sounds like these two may have very well had a relationship and broke up. I'd bet they don't want anyone to know that part.
Reminds me of the Monty Python argument clinic skit
Sorry, this is Abuse. Argument is 12A, just along the corridor …
Gordon Shumway No it's not!
This isn't an argument! Its just contradiction!
@@grandetaco4416 if I argue I must take a contrary position.
Steve, please remind your subs to refill their decanters and popcorn bowls before watching videos. This is funny stuff and we don't want to miss anything
Ha, who knew “Florida Man” has a law degree.
Most of us who have dealt with lawyers from Florida!
I was waiting for someone to point out that changing the court reporter, while it shouldn't have been necessary, was the easiest solution.
It appears that both attorneys need to attend Monty Python's Argument Clinic...
Thanks Steve. Your always entertaining.
I wonder how many Court precedings , hampered by Covid Restrictions (ie. IT problems related to Zoom, misunderstandings from speaking/hearing through masks, appearing as a Cat, etc) will be appealed/ re- litigated in '21-'22?
I found this extremely funny, yet equally disconcerting regarding the behavior of the lawyers.... As a former deposition videographer, I've heard a few stories myself...
I'm sure you have observed this, where lawyers will fight and bicker during the deposition and at the end of the deposition shake hands and say how's the wife and kids, which I have observed a few times.....
This is why some people refuse to have kids and choose a career instead. How sad it is that sometimes those individuals end up finding, in their careers, the very thing they were trying to avoid. 🤦🏽♂️
Can a judge not tell them straight up “knock it out or your both in contempt” or the like? If grown men are acting like this in front of a judge a little time alone would do them well.
Make them share a cell untill they can be civil.
I suggest that the parties move their case to one of the People’s Court™️ type shows where all this unprofessional conduct would actually add to the entertainment value …
There are no lawyers in people courts though.
It’s usually just the two parties.
But yeah, I do understand what you’re saying.
@@womanofgoldenwords3881 There’s a chance for innovation. People’s Court lawyers! :-)
Court reporter, arguably the most important person in court, asks attorney to do something.
Attorney: NO!
-+- Later -+-
Attorney: Did you get that objection I made?!
Court Reporter: Do you still have your face mask on?
Attorney: **SURPRISED PIKACHU FACE** **Starts throwing a tantrum.** **Wonders why they court reporter is "against" them."**
There is a motion from the floor for a formal Declaration of Shenanigans, do we have a second?
Attorneys tend to do things for a reason and they are the adults in the room. I suspect the witness may have had some damaging things to say and the attorney was trying to refocus attention because the question. Some attorneys are known to have coached their witness and if like "the" question was asked was not prepared for maybe the attorney wanted to shut down the deposition until they had a consultation. (I know, a lot guessing to a motive. I'm just looking for a rational explanation as to what might have been behind the different conduct)
imo
Florida.
'nuff said.
imo
Lawyers sanctioned for being lawyers.
Hundo, unfolded, between the third and fourth columns of law books, on the first shelf of the main cabinet. 35.
✔ ☑
Finding Steve's Benjamin is almost as much fun as spotting Les Nesman's band-aids was in the '70's.
@@1996champs I thought I was the only one! You made me look it up. We are not alone.
@@1996champs OMG Never heard of his band aides! I have the Turkey episode on the DVR, have to watch it tonight. Just realized, we only got 3 channels in the 70s, and the non PBS channels were pretty snowy, might not have been able to see them.
My one experience in a courtroom where there was a court reporter, the judge made it clear the court reporter was kinda in charge in some ways. That now and then the reporter might speak up and state he did not hear something, and not to be surprised if asked to repeat yourself.
Is that not standard? Seems like failing to hear an objection and failing to record it could become an important thing. Try to appeal a case and the appeals court says "you never objected to this during the trial, appeal denied".
Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
Pro Tip: Be respectful.
one lawyer was probably acute one. She thought the other was being obtuse
So that was their angles?
@@briangarrow448 neither acted very sharp
I guess you can look at it from that angle.
@@marksparks8852 Well played sir, well played.
Hat Tip from the Grammar Club 🍻
Very Python-esque.
"An argument is not the automatic gainsaying of what the other person said."
- "Yes it is."
"No it isn't"
- "Yes it is"
"This is not an argument!"
- "Oh. sorry. You were looking for an argument? That's the next door down the hall."
(Paraphrased from memory)
All the depositions I ever sat in on, and there have been more then a few seem to vary depending on the mental age of the attorneys. As part of our Legal Assistant college course we had one where we actually prepared witnesses, did the necessary paperwork that could be done legally for such a meeting, and actually sat beside our assigned attorney for the deposition. I often had the feeling that I and the deposed were the only adults in the room. The one thing I learned readily during the program was that there are a few good attorneys, there are a very few great attorneys and the rest seemed to forget everything they learned in law school and returned to the bare basics they picked up in kindergarten. The very best attorney I ever dealt with was my former partner and assistant Chief on a police Department some 20 years earlier. We were both in the squad car when I pulled over a car load of young ladies for blowing a stop sign. When I got to the car it was obvious the minors were all hammered. I arrested the driver for her first DUI and Minor in possession. Two days later the police commissioner, the Sheriff and The Prosecutor called me into the prosecutor's office and the Police Commissioner ordered me to drop all the charges as the driver was the daughter of the Street Commissioner's Boss. I told them that it was my policy to allow the courts to hear my cases and I did not allow "Special" people special privilege's. I directed my next comment to the States Attorney and told him that since I had arrested her under the State Statute so as to avoid putting the City Judge under the microscope of the Commission it would have to be up to him to move for dismissal in District Court. He said he would not do that because he felt it would breach his duties. Then the Police commissioner asked for my badge and gun. Well the gun was mine so I kept it, which was why they had called in the Sheriff to Insure I would not get to pissed and kill them (They didn't know me very well even after 10 years as service as assistant Chief and later Chief of police) I counter offered saying I would resign if they paid me 4 months severance pay as well as 4 months benefits including full family's insurance. This they agreed to and tried to throw in my dropping charges. I explained that I would rather go to court then show the towns folk what kind of idiots sat in the council chambers, and that since my partner was in the car, he could be the necessary witness for the case. So It happened. I left, my family was nearly torn apart as the city was my wife's home town and my children had all sorts of friends being in grammar school, but life goes on. The drunk girl was indeed convicted. My partner did not get promoted to Chief as was tradition in the department because he too would not back down and when the commission promoted the last hired rookie to Chief only his best friend on the PD stayed and everyone else walked. My assistant said the commission said he was not promoted because he did not have a degree. So he went back to college finished his Batchers and went on to law school, easily passing the bar and has worked as an attorney since he did pass the bar in 1989. He went on to represent me when Workers Comp tried to cut me off after 3 major surgeries trying to repair injury to my spine in a line of duty auto crash. The only bad thing about the whole deal... my buddy became a damn democrat while in Law School!
Send them to family counseling. Lol
Ben - Really difficult to see. Steve's left, shelf, between the books (just above the WLLZ sticker).
I must need glasses. I don't see it.
@@halfnelson6115 I have glasses, and I did.
😊
How did you spot that?!?!?
"I CALL SHENANIGANS!"
Classic Abbott and Costello. Who's on first?
Monty Python and Benny Hill material. Gold!
Did the judge order that time spent squabbling not be billed?
Yes. And he said that he will revisit the issue of final sanctions as to BOTH attorneys.
Would the witness be found in contempt if he got up and said “hey I don’t have time for you two to argue. I’m going back to work.”?
Job 9.24-when the land turns to wickedness the LORD blinds it judges.
This entire story smacks of a high school love triangle where all three broke up with each other and are all bitter about it. I cannot image being either the witness or the clients. LOL
I'm a year late but I'd just like to say if I were the claimant in this story I would ask the judge to either delay our court case to a later date or dismiss it entirely. Afterwards I would sue/fire my lawyer for gross misconduct, wasting my time, the courts time, and arguably the most important thing to me; my money.
Should these individuals not be stuck off......& /or imprisoned for contempt.?
Monty Python called and wants their skit back.
Not sure that I should be laughing as hard as I am.
I'm surprised the Judge didn't hold EVERYONE in Contempt Of Court...
I would have...
Tomfoolery - Steve...Just Sayin'...
Florida has legal drama?! I'm shocked I tell you, shocked! I see the formation of a sub category of Florida man on the horizon.
It’s like a cat chasing it’s tail…. Or a horse… which has sailed
Florida guy has no limits!! Poor Florida courts have them coming from all sides!!
Can the poor witness just get up and leave in a case like this?
Wow! Cuh, Cuh, Can't we all just get along? Rassum, Frassum, Rickem, Rackem. lol
Was going to ask if they are/were involved in a love triangle?. This is a strange Florida Man story 😅
Maybe it's the heat? Angry escalations seem to me to happen disproportionately in hot places.
They were both polling the court reporter 😂
Wasting Time can also be a problem because you risk Pissing Off the Judge...that can't ever help your Case...
Steve, can I refuse to go to a deposition? What if I only want to testify in actual court and worry about court rules being ignored?
Stop hitting yourself, why are you hitting yourself by using my hand?
Is the witness allowed to turn to the judge and mouth the words "What the fuck is happening right now?" or give them an expression akin to it? LOL
Monty Python couldn't even make something this funny up. X-D
Also, will the court reporter write down "Are you writing down what I'm saying?"?
I love the word squabble ...
Sounds like there is something personal going on, like some problem at a picnic that overflowed to work relationship.
Florida man by any other name is still Florida man
Continually delaying trials is wasteful, and in most cases should be forbidden by the court.
You get one delay on each side and that's it, period.
OK! THATS IT!!!, Both of you are grounded go to your room!!.... hahahaha woooowwwww
shenanigans. My new old guy word. Plan to use it daily. lol
And we wonder why so many politicians are lawyers
Sounds like an episode of Boston Legal to me
honestly, I would have loved to be the witness. I'd kick back and just watch this unfold.
I'm gonna go with the first lawyer, she didn't transcribe the F U. He has a point LOL
Calling these people The 3 Stooges would be unfair to Curly, Larry and Moe.
The court reporter didn't transcribe everything? Sounds like the attorney's point has been proven.
But aren't attorneys supposed to argue with each other? Even vigorously. Guess they overstepped some invisible line.