The DCU Constantly Shifting Tones Is GOOD or BAD?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- Today is one the topics I am most intrigued about when it comes to the DCU. James Gunn’s and Peter Safran’s plan for the DCU is to have something for everyone. Meaning some projects will be light hearted comedies, others will extremely dark and serious movies and others will be somewhere in the middle. But is that a good or bad thing? Now I ask this because I really think there are great arguments for both sides. And today we will go through the pros and cons of this decision to hopefully come to a conclusion by the end of it. But before we get into this discussion, let me know your initial thoughts on this decision in the comments below. I want to see if by the end of the video, your opinion has changed.
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If the story and script are great, the tone does not matter. Just give me a great movie with a great story.
The tone can hinder the story though.
@@handsuporillshoot381well Batman having a light tone is off but a dark tone works a dark tone doesn’t work with superman it depends on the character
My question is how they will manage all character's tone in one movie like justice league. i think it's interesting to see
The sawme way they did with Infinity war one film one tone
Not that difficult for a good writer/director. People in real life have different personalities. It’s not that hard to imagine someone like Batman meshing with Superman or Flash. JLU did it masterfully and seamlessly.
Shifting tones from movies to movies will most likely be beneficial. We tend to forget that Barbie and Oppenheimer released on same day and still managed to make a billion. One being r rated and other being a family comedy. So the audience is very large and they aren't really looking for the things that worked in 2010s anymore. Audiences have changed and they are going for varying tones in recent times. So to make movies in different tones that serves the characters best is best decision. It all depends on execution. If they make a bad r rated movie it wouldn't matter or vice versa. Just make good movies and Market them well
Barbie was in no way a family comedy… they shat on men and the nuclear family every chance they got in order to empower and empowerment at anyone’s expense is not true empowerment.
It’s hard but even in comics when DC comics had a mega saga every issue was building a little into the main plot… but you didn’t have to read everything, in the main issues the important details were mentioned so everything could be understood, but for more in depth info you were teased to read the other issues for expanded stories that led to the main epic battle.
You can find movies were important past events are mentioned, events that could very well be its own movie: Miyagui talks about his time in the army during World war 2, In the unforgettables we hear the backstory of the protagonist being saved when he met his wife… DCU/superhero sagas could be like that, if you don’t watch some movies it doesn’t take away of enjoying the current movie.
Nah, the MCU wasnt only targeted to be fun. They had a good mix at the beginning but shifted to be full comedic after gotg1. There were some exceptions afterwards, but phase 1 was consistent and still is incredible good.
Good thing, because shifting tones depending on director I think is a good thing, because if it had the same tone in every movie, I wouldn’t like it.
The fact that WB and James Gunn approved the new suicide squad game is very alarming to me.
Well that game was already in the works before the new regime
Gunn also approved of that creep Ezra Miller and his Flush film.
Gunn said everything has to move through his approvals. For Sure the New Management will keep or has to keep track of consistency and quality. Yeah guys, that also includes products already in production.
Thats simply just a fact.
You know games like years to make right? Not a few months. 😊
Great video and points as always.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks! I have a lot of thoughts on this but no time right now to write.
There is the cautionary tale of dipping in the well too much. Comic book movies are on the decline, I think we all know that, much like how their popularity fizzled out in the late 80's and early 90's as the target audience grew into adulthood. James Gunn, a very good director and writer, though whose talent and vision has never met up to that promise for he continues to build off of the work of others. He lacks originality, recreating Farscape through Guardians of the Galaxy, and I fear he is channeling Smallville for this new Superman movie.
It will probably work out. You make great points for both sides, but I feel like the tone shifts won't be that drastic. I share your opinion about James Gunn's humor, but I think you'll agree that he's not a bad creative. He writes good stories, knows how tones work, and seems open to collaborating rather than ruling the franchise. If what I believe proves to be accurate, I'm sure his team will figure out a way to keep everything connected and make sense.
The animated movies have done that well. Man of Tomorrow was quite light and funny, but The Long Halloween was very serious. And yet their team-up is enjoyable.
Phase 1 of the MCU was a good example of shifting tones- all different characters and sure, the movies had humor, but the amount depended on the character. Tony Stark was light-hearted despite his decision to become Iron Man and the risks involved, whereas The Incredible Hulk was fairly serious throughout, and Thor was a fish out of water when he came to Earth. I'm not always a fan of Gunn's writing, so my hope is the DCU truly does have variety, in particular James Mangold's Swamp Thing film.
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I don't think it's about tone black adam was mostly a serious movie. I think Zack Synder just doesn't have a good visual style. Not just in these movies, but all his movies. He doesn't have a good use of color or lighting. Relies heavily on gimmicks like high resolution cinematic filters. It's subtle but that's what people reject. Something about his movies feel off. He's just not on the level of other directors. He's not quite hollywood movie material. He doesn't get offers for movies anymore for that reason. He doesn't deliver like others do. He's not quite at the skill level of a hollywood block buster.
I like the idea of the individual story, the tone of the move should be as an additional bonus for the story
A good idea on PPT, but with the current status of WBD and Gunn, it is not going to work.
No worries from me regarding this game plan although if you ask me that’s pretty much exactly what we’ve gotten from the DC movie universe over the past 20 years. Some dark some light some in between. The difference is that it wasn’t planned and just happened as a result of having zero planning. On the note of the humor side of things. I enjoy humor being in the superhero genre but agree that with shows like Peacemaker it went too far. It was just too too much. I was once told that cursing/swearing makes you sound unintelligent and although I don’t completely agree with the comment I do feel that cursing and swearing over and over does make you sound unintelligent. Overuse of vulgar comedy gets to be too much as well. Not everyone understands it all and I become uncomfortable for those people.
Creature commandos will definitely be for people who like gunn’s guardians films. Authority will be for people who like the boys and Zack Snyder hero films.
But I think Superman will hopefully be akin to a traditional but inspiring adventure. The first Avengers is probably the most comic book movie I’ve ever seen but Superman legacy I hope surpasses that in themes and tone but also enjoy ability.
Suicide Squad is DC's GOTG, not Creature Commandos.
@@sayansarkarz5414 HI there is no Suicide Squad in Chapter one of the DCU,the person above was talking about the coming DCU not DCEU
It’s great to shift tones, but honestly long as your story is great it doesn’t matter if you shift tones but I understand. I am looking forward to every single #DCU main timeline project. #RiseDCU
It just ultimately depends on the character like for example Booster Gold should be a comedic character with a comedic series while someone like Constantine should be a serious character with a dark series or movie. Or you can have it both ways with Superman he should be a overall serious stoic character while the movie should be light.
Well I think it's great. Just like life both happy and sad
DC media has always been serious because it worked for them. That's why WB wanted MOS to their Batman. People saying Superman should be light hearted. Nobody cared for Superman Return then, they won't now.
I liked the different tones of the new DCU.Also,James learned from the current collapse of the MCU.So he knows what not to do.
Take swamp thing it’s horror superman isn’t horror it’s a light hearted action superhero film then Batman that isn’t light hearted it’s dark and strange so each film is it’s own identity that’s something that sure the in later years mcu did but even the Snyderverse didn’t do that
Yeah but not everything is dark sure not everyone found peacemaker funny but none of that really shock value stuff will be in superman you can’t do that and Gunn knows that
You said everything.
James Gunn talks a lot, but right now I can't trust him until I see at least three or four DCU projects
Not that I expect him to contradict himself, but I remain Cautious.
I think the tone needs to be the same to a degree. People can BE funny in a dark movie. But you can’t have people act like they’re not living in a different world between each movies.
For example bystanders in Superman 2 acting campy is funny but not how people in the real world act. For that to work in a series of movies I think it needs to be the same.
If each movie has a different tone depending on the story, that'd be fine. It'd keep the movies from being too repetitive (Looking at you, MCU).
But if the tone constantly shifts within just one of the movies, THAT'S a problem! Because I hate it when a movie is inconsistent in its tone, because it gives the implication that the writer and/or director of the story has no idea who the story is meant for (Looking at you, MCU, first Raimi _Spider-Man_ movie, and 2017 _Power Rangers_ reboot movie).
It really doesnt matter. Its all about how the perspective of the story is colored. I cant wait to see what the furture of DC does 🎬🎥
Definitely a good thing. It’s more like the comics if it’s all different. The MCU especially is guilty of outright ignoring its source material so it’s good to see the DCU increased comic sales and even had them included in their trailers now.
I believe each different show or movie should have different tones LIKE the comic books. When I read certain DC comics there is obviously a different tone from Batman to Superman. Even Harley Quinn in her own comic vs her being with the Suicide Squad is a different tone. I like it that way.
Thank you my friend.
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James Gunn better change release date or Legacy gonna get smashed by Jurassic World and Fantastic Four ..I'm really scared rn.
It's a GREAT thing. Like Gunn stated. The films will reflect the director's vision...within the walls of the DCU. There are no cons
To say there are no cons is naive at this stage in my opinion. You don't factually know if it's a great choice because the MCU kept the same tone throughout and succeeded. The DCEU changed tone and failed.
@@OurMovieNews Changing tones is more likely beneficial. The DCEU failed not because of tone but because of bad continuity.
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The DCEU changed tone because there was a mandate by shill movie critics, to turn the DCEU into the MCU. Now they get their wish with Gunn’s specialty for cringe toilet humor.
@@movieman6208and bad writing as well.
Good thing
The early MCU had an R rated Punisher show. They can get away with R rated projects as long as they’re not required watching for understanding future movies.
Well the DCEU constantly shifting tones led to its demise, so...
At the start of video: i think the best thing is to have different tones based on the character and story.
*and this is what the mcu has and is doing. They have projects that are more serious such as winter soldier, the Falcon and the winter soldier, civil war, thor the dark world, etc. And thrn they have more clear lighthearted things like ms. Marvel, spider-man homecoming, thor love and thunder, she-hulk, etc. And they also have others that are a mix of both like the guardians movies, avengers, the iron man films, etc.)
Yea im still with my same opinion.
Also while some may disagree (and i dont wish to have any arguments please) i think the mcu is a clear example of doing multiple different tones and styles as i have given examples with. And it works. Personally i think with the DCEU it was that they went hard with the more serious tone (which is fine) but they committed to that. Then like halfway through they changed it to be all more lighthearted (again fine) but i think that sort of sudden pivot was jarring to some and made the audience feel like there wasnt a plan and instead it was just the studio reacting.
Its fine to make changes to your universe to make it better. We can see with the MCU (though ive really been loving the current saga myself and ik others have been too) they are making tweaks and improvements BUT heres the kicker its happening a little ahead so it feels more like a smooth transition rather than sudden pivot.
Thats just my take.
Again please i dont want to start any arguments i just want to have fun and talk about all our favorite characters and stories
I think marvel's most successful films were films with different tones and felt original and unique. However those are the exception. Most marvel movies have a very similar tone/ feel with many of them following the marvel formula. I think those films are often the most mediocre in marvel.
@@vincentluong7550 see personally i think there's a difference between following the formula and having the same tone because i think a lot of them do have clear different tones but they have a similar structured formula which works.
Tho i think especially now theyre are allowing more projects to be a little looser with the formula, and not strictly follow it.
After hearing that Creature Commandos is to be the same vulgar comedy tone as Peacemaker and The Suicide Squad, and that Gunn will be writing and directing more projects, I have zero hope in the DCU.
I get that. But there will be other projects that we may find more interesting
@@OurMovieNews I just fear that Gunn is going to write and/or direct almost every project. His DC record so far is all the same tone. Since he has cast Supergirl I bet he will direct that film as well. I’m just going to wait and see. I just have lost any excitement for DC films. Which is sad because I am a huge. DC film.
@@TheGameLab300 We will see. He was asked if he is writing and directing more projects and he replied “That’s what I’m here for.
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Nobody wants every film to be a copy and past of Deadpool, but that’s all Gunn does and knows how to do.
@@TheGameLab300 I will hate it if that’s the tone of every DC film. So far that’s all that Gunn has done for DC. Deadpool should be the exception of the genre, not the norm.
It's a good thing cause they're being true & authenic to the nature of these characters. The tones should shift, just have to have a great & interesting story with great special effects to go with it.
Sure he says about the rating but what kid truly liked bvs and also isn’t justice league rated R
I think it the shifts are too extreme it will break the universe and be a con like peacemaker did
But if it's more subtle and appropriate to the story and maintains the same world it will be an asset.
I don't think the tones should shift for the characters involved but rather stories being told.
I think it worked for the Arrowverse. Arrow and Batwoman are dark, Legends is a comedy, and Flash is in the middle. And you also have Superman that balances both dark and light hearted themes. That how the DCU in the comics is too.
Tone is my biggest concern for Superman Legacy. I know Gunn has the potential to write a great Superman story, but his sense of humor doesn't fit the character at all. While I'm still worried about that movie, I was glad to hear Gunn say the universe will have diverse tones and not feel all the same. The MCU turned me off when they all started having the same annoying tone of basically being bad comedies.
Creature Commandos may be a darker tone, but it's STILL in Gunn's horrible adolescent humor. It seems EVERYTHING DCU is written, directed, and produced by Gunn. Everything is starring, Gunn.
That's not his job. He's supposed to oversee the DCU like Feige, the MCU. But Warner Bros is so broke that Gunn has to do everything.
We are NOT going to get the variety we are led to believe. -OG
Beyond “lighter” or “darker”, DC to me has always been more “serious”. Yes, there’s fun, jokey, quirky characters, but as a whole, I’d always describe DC as “serious” and Marvel as “bright”. But in general, I do think varying tones for the projects is a good thing.
Thing is its disneys marvel thats light. Marvel comics are pretty damn dark themselfs
@@desmondkelly5178 exactly. But there tends to be more of consistent hopefulness to Marvel. Not saying DC isn’t or can’t be hopeful, just that it tends to approach storytelling differently.
I don’t know that I’ve ever said it online anywhere, but I often describe Marvel as being “Ordinary beings doing extraordinary things” whereas DC tends to be “Extraordinary beings doing extraordinary things”. Both equally enjoyable, but very different.
I like man of steel many people's think it's bad because it's too dark and superman look depressing but do you know how the real world work if alien were real the world will in fear because of what they're don't understand and superman has to struggle
From serious and light, not overwhelming jokes, here and there, like the DCEU to constant tone shifting, uncertainty, and lackluster interests. Yeah, it started off great.
If Superman or Clark Kent is cracking toilet or potty humor jokes the dcu is doomed
big time
I’m excited for it. But this is a fact.
Yes! Having Superman or Batman cracking toilet jokes is just an absolute turn off and an insult to their actual personalities (The ones we all know them for having). Having the characters laugh at immature, low brow jokes is just wrong!
Superman has a great humour in comics...he is a chill character but how many humours jokes he cracked in dceu.... literally zero.
Even DCEU's Batman has better humor than clark. But you had some problem with this? I guess no
@Adrian-clark let me guess you like the josstice league movie? Because that's the only movie where they cracked jokes and it was cringey so that must be what you're talking about or wanting
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You do realize that you talked about loving man of steel after the dark knight which kinda makes you a hypocrite. My point is that what I learned from James Gunn and his past mistakes in social media (like him getting fired from Disney for a while and that he dislikes Tim Burton’s Batman and the dark knight trilogy) is that you need to be careful about what you say otherwise it would come back to bite hard.
How is me liking man of steel after the dark knight being a hypocrite???
We need to stop pretending that Gunn has any idea what he’s doing. They hired him because he got fired from Disney (he’s cheap) for insanely disgusting Tweets. He has never run anything in his life, and prior to Guardians, he made softcore pornography. The fact that anyone has faith in this clown, is bizarre to me. They made a movie director CEO and he is still making movies. How does this make sense?
It makes sense, because they dont have the money to hire a real director. Look at the current directors slated to make DCU films. Absolutely embarrassing, and the writers are just a bad.
See I trust Jamie gunn it just I don't trust peter safran this is the same guy who want keep Ezra miller and Amber heard, that I do believe Jamie gunn want get rid of them but since he don't have full control he can't and I feel like Peter Safran is going be the downfall of this new Universe that Jamie try build up and my own fear for Jamie gunn that all the show and movie going be funny and none serious like look what taika waititi made love and thunder a funny movie and not a serious movie but I trust Gunn choice
Inconsistent messed.
its good , because thats why the mcu sucks , its basically the iron man 2 tone all over the place and not even in a good way
That’s what Gunn’s gonna do for the DCU. Every project is gonna be a copy and paste of Deadpool, just like his Suicide Squad film, Peacemaker show, Creature Commandos, etc.
Regardless of YOUR opinion, the DC. universe is being " rebooted" for a reason. The old movies failed, for a variety of reasons. You obviously have something against the MCU. Others were undeewhelmed with the " Snyderverse". Whatever YOU feel, Warner wants what Marvel has..
Bad news
Creating a "Batman Brave and the Bold" when you have a highly successful and masterpiece in Matt Reeves "The Batman" really makes little sense.
Gunn coming in and wiping out the good with the bad, is a bad decision. And leads me to believe they aren't learning from their mistakes.
Because it is a completely grounded universe.
no the dcu is bad definitivament i hate you gunn.
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Sounds like hamadaverse all over again
I can guarantee you there won't be a single "serious" or "dark" movie in Gunns DCU. The closest they will get is gore like TSS. Other than that i only see this universe filled with nothing but cheap humor
I'm sorry. But you saying the MCU was targeted towards people who wanted funny Superhero films is so false. Perhaps it is now, but at it's peak that definitely was not the case. And to call the DCEU grounded instead of what it really was. That right there shows your bias.
The irony in you saying I’m bias through you being biased yourself is very funny
@@OurMovieNews As is you not recognizing your own bias.
So me describing how I saw the early DCEU, is biased? Okay mate, thanks for pointing out what an opinion is.
Of course his bias. Synder films are not good but he will praise it regardless
Who says Snyder's films are not good? The critics? Well they were the once who said Captain Marvel and She-hulk were great. Does that sound reliable to you? Plus, je never said that Snyders films were the greatest DC films or anything. He said he liked them and he has a right to say so. You people are just mindless Snydr haters.
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